WEBVTT - 12. Ordained Minister, Daniel Halkyard has known Daniel Wozniak since he was a young boy. Hear what he has to say about the convicted murderer and death row inmate, he still loves like a son. 0:00:00.000 --> 0:00:07.200 Oh, please be advised, this story contains adult content and 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:14.960 graphic language. That woman changed his world out He's an 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:17.480 adult and went along with it. But that world changed 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:20.200 from when they drove off in that truck. That Dan 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:22.639 I would hear again from after that was not the 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:44.520 same day, and I knew. Welcome to Sleuth, I'm Linda Sawyer. 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:50.000 On this episode, we welcome ordained Minister Daniel hulk Yard, 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:53.600 who tells us he's a longtime adviser to Daniel Wozniak. 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:58.480 For many years, Daniel Wozniak work for Daniel Hulkyard's appraisal 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:02.760 business so daniwasnia could make enough money to date Emily 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:07.720 hulk Yard, the pastor's stepdaughter. Daniel Halkyard recounts to Sleuth 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:11.240 many fond memories of his time when he directed Dan 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:15.200 Wasniak as the lead in many local community theater musicals 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:19.560 during his youth. To this day, Daniel Hulkyard refers to 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:24.080 Daniel Waznik as his beloved son he shares with us. However, 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:28.880 the one lasting painful memory he witnessed as Daniel Wasniak 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:31.760 loaded his truck with furniture the hulk Yards had just 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:36.040 donated to Daniel and his new girlfriend Rachel Buffett. As 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:40.280 Daniel Hulkyard tells us, he watched as the boy he 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:43.240 came to love as his son jumped in his truck 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:47.640 heading off for his new life, a life Daniel Wozniak 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:51.200 was about to share with his future fiance Rachel Buffett 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:55.280 by his side. And we'd like to welcome you now, 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:59.200 Daniel Holkyard. It's Linda Sawyer from Sleuth. How are you. 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:02.880 I'm doing very well, Thank you, and we're so happy 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:06.960 to have you and we look forward to your insights 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:10.040 on this case. We know that you at some point 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:14.639 had a pretty close relationship with Daniel Wozniak, and as 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:16.959 well you got to know Rachel Buffett and her mother 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:21.520 Mary Anne, so right from the beginning, How did you 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:26.840 first meet Daniel Wozniak. I met Dan It was early 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:32.120 two thousand three, two three. I was directing for a 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:37.200 company called a Children's Theater, Orange County and Daniel audition 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:41.000 and he was very, very likable, very I just was 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.600 very impressed with him watching him perform, and I was 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:45.959 watching his people skills and I really enjoyed head and 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:49.600 over the time he worked on the show and he 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:52.600 played Von Captain von Trapp, and everybody loved him and 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:55.200 just the kids adored him, and he seemed to have 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:59.160 a gentle persona about him, and uh so I invited 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:01.200 him become the work for me and my appraisal company 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:04.320 would shoot photography, shoot pictures of houses and things like 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:07.359 that for me. And the needest handwriting. The need is 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:12.600 work very thorough and very easy going. Love humor, and 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:14.920 uh that's how I teach us with humor. So we 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:18.160 got along very well, and that's how we began, you know, 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:21.640 That's how we begin our relationship. And were was he 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:24.600 involved also in your family life? Because it is my 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:29.480 understanding that Emily, your stepdaughter, also had a lot of 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:33.480 experience with him and had a friendship with him. They 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:35.840 had a friendship with him. And I don't talk much 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:37.920 about the family because I kind of keep that personal. 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:40.280 That's yet, but I can tell you that much everybody 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:43.760 knew that they dated. And I guess I'm just referring 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:47.960 to that because obviously you thought well of him enough 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:50.480 so that if he was in your stepdaughter's life, it 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:55.119 was something that you approved of. The Daniel I knew 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:58.240 exactly had it been the Daniel that we would later 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:00.880 become No, No, there would be no way. Of course, 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:05.760 of course, so during that time before the murders took place, 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:09.560 you didn't see any indication of someone that was capable 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:14.040 of what we now know he did. No when you 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:16.320 look at the contrast from night and day. You know, 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:19.000 I've seen professional experts say, well you should see scientists, 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:21.039 so well, let's find you're the expert. But I was 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:25.040 with him constantly on day to day basis, and I honestly, 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:29.480 in my heart, it's my opinion that that he was fine. 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:34.000 I don't think this darkness took over until he left us. 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:36.000 And as we talk, I'll tell you how that took place. 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:39.280 But that darkness wasn't there. I'm like I said, I 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.120 can only give you my opinion. But I was in 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:43.479 a constant relationship day to day to day to day 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:46.919 for those years, and I didn't see it. Now. I 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:50.480 knew later on, right near the end of it, what 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:53.880 we would say goodbye because he because he moved um 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:57.560 me and Rachel. I found out later that the drinking 0:04:57.560 --> 0:04:59.960 had gotten you know, he was known to the social 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.920 rank and get crazy, they go out in karaoke, and 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:05.520 I was fine with that. But he always told me. However, 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:07.400 to your daughter home, I said, you've been or not? 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:10.560 So at one point excuse me them and just explained 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:13.080 to listeners. At one point he did stay in your 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:15.599 home and then left and went and got his own apartment. 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:19.640 Is that what you're saying? Okay, yes, absolutely, And did 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:21.919 he live with did he live with Emily or did 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:24.320 he just live on his own? No? No, no, no, 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:26.880 he really didn't live. He would come and spend big life, 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:28.839 might spend the only couch or someone happened. No, he 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:32.400 never that would never be allowed the house. He never 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:35.000 lived with us, but he was. You would think he 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:37.320 was a permanent fixture because it was constantly there because 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:39.839 either in the theater or the appraisal business. But you 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:42.600 cared enough about him where he was working in your 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:46.240 professional and a professional capacity for you, not just in 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:51.520 the musical theater end of his life, but also you 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:54.080 let him stay when he when it was convenient for him, 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:56.120 and you gave him a whole lot of furniture. Right, 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:58.279 that's what your wife told me when when he finally 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:01.680 did move out on his own. Yeah, well he decided 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:05.040 to move on on his own. Um we we we 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:07.320 we He said, hey, we're getting ready to move. We 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:09.800 got a whole bunch of furniture. So they arrived when 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:12.360 that month there was a Sunday or Saturday. But they 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:14.480 arrived and she was sleeping in the cab of the truck. 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:16.800 So I said, where's where's your better half? That's how 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:20.200 we talked. He said, she's sleeping. Who are you referring 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:23.680 to that? We're referring to Rachel Buffett. So at this 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:28.240 point he is involved with Rachel Buffett. Right. I didn't 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:30.640 know much about it. He had told we had met 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:33.640 a young lady and he was trying weins me being 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:36.880 a minister. I'm a a minister with the National Association 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:40.280 of Christian Ministers, and he would ask me about my 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:44.400 faith and his his faith and Catholicism. He said, well, 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:46.440 I don't know how to talk to her because she 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:49.599 has you know, more of It's not it's more of 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:53.760 a non Catholicism of faith, he said. And so I 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:56.000 just told him, you know, basically, how we talked about it. 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:58.760 So he would have conversations about that, and from that 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:01.640 I derived that he was getting this relationship with this girl. 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:05.360 And I didn't know much about her. But Emily would 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:07.680 tell me that he was seeing someone else, and I said, okay, 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:10.160 I guess they were done with their relationship, so he 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:12.680 was seeing someone else. And so I didn't really hear 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:15.160 much from Dan after over a couple of weeks, and 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:17.600 then all of a sudden, they said, we need for address, 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:19.320 and I got it for you. Come on by, and 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:21.040 that's how we got to that point. So that's how 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:24.360 I knew a little bit about Rachel Buffett. And when 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:28.600 can you describe for us the first encounter that, the 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:31.320 first significant encounter you had with her, and what were 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:39.080 your feelings after meeting her hungover? I'm just I'm just 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:41.560 gonna be honest with you. I just I didn't draw conclusions. 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:45.120 But she was. She didn't even when they arrived, she 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:47.560 didn't come up to say hi. She waves till the 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:49.920 truck was loaded and then came out and was sleepy eyed. 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:52.880 Had looked like she taught her just giving you my 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:55.640 first impression, my opinion, to look like she had tiedling 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.360 on and I kind of went. She didn't say much 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:00.080 and said thanks. I got back in the car and 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:02.480 they took off, and when she was there, Dan was 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:05.200 kind of Dan was really black. I've never seen before. 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:07.520 He was kind of attentive to her. She moved. One 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:11.160 way that his gregariousness with us was he got around 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:14.160 my wife. They just they was just like mother's son. 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:16.520 They had a great relationship. But when she came in 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:20.160 for that first time, I got kind of quiet, kind 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:22.720 of reserves, and I couldn't draw any conclusions at that time. 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:24.880 I was just happy to help Dan out. We loaded 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:26.240 the truck, she ne Gooby got in the truck, and 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:30.440 they left. So the only real shift you saw in 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:34.280 Daniel's personality was that in this particular case, with this 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:39.640 particular woman, he was very attentive and very cognizant of 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:44.360 her needs and wants. Yeah, And the reason I say 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:49.000 that is we in the theater world, as I say, 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:52.680 have context. You're saying something bad about somebody in Orange County, 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:54.440 and you may fly out and see a play in 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:56.760 New York and of our personal company going, I heard 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:58.800 you said this about somebody. I said, this is how close? 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:01.800 And that this is I heard for the next seple 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:05.480 of years that it was dark because we didn't hear 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:08.080 from Dan and friends that we knew in the theater 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:11.480 that he knew and my daughter knew, said you can't 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:13.440 go there anymore, And I said why, and I said, 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:16.160 he says, it's dark. They're hanging around, people with drugs. 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:18.480 They're hanging around, and I'm just hearing this is what's 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:20.880 being said to me. And I said, I was wondering 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:22.679 why I haven't heard from him, and he goes, oh, yeah, 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:26.400 it's whatever darkness those two have gotten into. It's just 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:28.760 not nice. And slowly the friends started to fade away. 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:31.840 I didn't get much involved because my daughter wasn't involved, 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:34.720 but we had had such a bond that I said, 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:36.600 I really want to know what happened to him, and 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:38.679 so give you an idea. For the next couple of years, 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:41.040 I just kind of watched. I didn't get to see much, 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:44.480 but it would drift back in conversations, either in Facebook, email, 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:47.400 phone calls. People would slowly start to say there was 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:50.720 a darkness forming over there. What that meant, I don't know, 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:52.920 but they said the friends they hung out were rough, 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:55.840 they were into heavy drugs, and that was it. Now 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:58.160 again I could be here safe. So based on the 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:01.000 fact that the theater community in Orange County is a 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.800 tight community, you're saying there were sort of eyes and 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:07.480 ears that were sharing with you things that they learned 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:12.000 or new or saw first hand exactly. And the reason 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:15.120 I tell you this is because they got back to 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:17.800 me because they said, this is not the Dan you knew. 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:21.400 We don't know where this came from, because this it 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:23.640 totally took them by surprise. They knew he liked to 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.240 drink and have a good time, but this darkness that 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:29.520 sent in the fact that he was desperate and needed money. 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.079 Good Heavens, Dan was never at that point in his life, 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:34.600 but it just I don't know how the shift came, 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:37.960 but I know this, This is my opinion based upon 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:42.840 what I physically saw and heard. That woman changed his world. 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:45.040 Now he's an adult and went along with it. But 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:47.880 that world changed from when they drove off in that truck. 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:50.960 The Dan I would hear again from after that was 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:55.640 not the same day. And I knew. I understand from 0:10:55.800 --> 0:11:01.840 some close friends of his that Daniel never really felt 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:05.920 that he, for lack of a better word, deserved Rachel. 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:09.800 He always felt he loved her, and the love was, 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:13.480 from what I am being told, very much a one 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:18.440 sided love. Do you think that there is self esteem 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:21.960 issues here that perhaps he felt he had to please 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.080 her in any way possible and would be willing to 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:29.320 do whatever it took to please her. In my opinion, absolutely, 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:33.880 people are afraid afraid to say that, but I'm not. 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:36.880 I knew Dan very well. And when the Orange County 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:40.600 papers started reporting, well, you know this is this is 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:43.360 the psychopath and this is this isn't that he never 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:46.079 could have been that good, I said, Malogny. I said, 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:49.679 you've sheltered this woman for too many years. How I said, 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:53.160 this woman changed that man's life. Now again, he's an adult, 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:56.440 he can make the decision, but that she was. So 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:59.040 I had to get permission to go see Dan. And 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:01.160 we'll talk about that in them when you couldn't do 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:05.320 anything because I would talk to Dan's mom, Maryanne, and 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:07.320 she would tell me, oh, you gotta talk with Rachel 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:10.720 because you know, there's just you can't see Dan west Rachel. 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:13.839 And MAT's when I found out Rachel was the leader 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:17.600 in that group. And you stopped your sentence there, you said, 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:21.080 mary Anne, who's Daniel wasnia ext mother for our listeners. 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:25.319 Mary Anne said you had to go through Rachel Y. Yeah, 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:27.920 I wanted to visit him. And this was the about 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:31.000 the second week in June. So of two thousand ten, 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:32.880 and I said I want to visit, and she was, well, 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:35.559 you have to talk to Rachel. I said, Rachel, Oh, 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:38.400 Rachel love it. Yeah, I said, why do I got 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:41.120 to go through her bees? She was the fiance Danny 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.480 that she called me Danny, and she goes, she's a fiance. 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:44.720 You have to talk to her. And there was a 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:47.080 tone in Marianne's voice that was hurt. And I'm not 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:50.040 a psychologist, but she we would have conversations and she 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.839 just Marianne always tried to put it that was her, 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:55.040 that was her boy, and she didn't like the fact 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:57.920 that she didn't even have You got the feeling that 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:01.560 this woman what she said as goes and Dan will 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:04.720 do it, and Dan will take anyone else out that 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:07.599 doesn't listen. That's the Dan. I would say, is it 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:11.559 your belief, Dan, that Marianne Wazniak feels the same way 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:14.280 about Rachel that you do. We went up because he 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:15.840 had an aunt. He had an aunt that was just 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:18.920 a hysterical. Dan had an aunt that was wonderful, really 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:21.240 close to the family, and they would all get together 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:23.720 and we'd go see plays that Dan was in or 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:25.720 that I was in, or that I would be directing 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:28.200 that Dan was in and that's how close everything was. 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:30.720 You could see how close he was to his mother. 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:34.560 He was close to her, close to his father. I 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:38.040 mean that ended to me, That kind of ended when 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:41.160 she came in because she became the focus. So you're saying, 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:45.640 once Rachel came into Daniel's life, he distanced himself from 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:48.240 his family, and he had at one point he was 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:50.400 very close to that family that you're saying. Mary Anne 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:55.840 and Darryl used to attend all of Dan's musicals. Mhm, mhm. 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:59.160 Right the minute he got into that truck with Rachel 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:01.920 Buffett and they left our house with our furniture. The 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:06.360 Dan that I knew, who enjoyed life, who enjoyed his family, 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:10.720 who loved everything. That just vanished part of my language. 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:14.319 But who in the heck is this? So the next 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.920 time you saw Daniel was nick when he was sitting 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:22.160 in Orange County Jail in an orange jumpsuit. Nope, I 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:25.840 would see Daniel about. I was doing a play in 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:30.760 Long Beach at a at a melodrama club and Dan 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:33.720 I was doing a children's show there. And as I 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:37.240 was doing the children's show, someone said, uh, oh yeah, 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:40.240 we've got an adult program here in the evening, and 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:42.560 you must know one of them, Daniel was nick. I said, 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:44.720 I'll be a son of a gun. He's in the show. 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:46.520 He's doing the show to go. Yeah, he does the 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:49.560 nice stuff. We did the daytime stuff and uh, I 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:52.120 said great. But they said, but he doesn't like you. 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:54.880 And I said, excuse me, They said, he doesn't like you. 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:57.280 He said, you'll take over everything, and you can. You'll 0:14:57.320 --> 0:14:59.440 be controlling and this and this and that and this 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:01.480 is the produce. So I said, are you sure you've 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:03.960 got the right Dan wasn't. He goes yeah. But then 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:06.840 I saw Dan in the parking lot several days later, 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:10.160 go hey, Dann, what's going on? And hey, it's good 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:12.320 to see it. Yeah, okay, I gotta go by, And 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:16.120 I said, I told my wife when I got home, 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.440 I don't know what's going on here. But then I 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:21.120 just let it go because it was too hurtful, and 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:23.120 I just said, I I gotta let that go because 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:25.920 I remember at that time, I now was hearing that 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:29.080 Dan was changing, things were going on, is getting dark, 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:32.360 and it seemed very disconnected to me when I saw him. 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:34.880 Then the next time I would see him would be 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:38.360 in the orange jumpsuit at the men's County jail. So 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:42.800 that was just a precursor that things were shifting for Daniel, 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:47.360 and he barely gave you the time of day. Well, 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:50.120 the play that he did, the last play that he 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:53.520 was in with Rachel. Dan never would have done something 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:56.040 like that. That was one of the darkest plays I've 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:59.320 ever seen, And it's looking at his persona in that production, 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:02.160 I went, he would never pick something like that. He's 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:04.680 a good, very talented actor, but that that wouldn't have 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:08.520 been his style. He wouldn't have done that. But it 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:12.200 was certainly foreboding for his future, wasn't it. You know, 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:14.680 people grow up and they do different things and they 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:17.200 get they find different interests. But of all the plays 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:19.520 he would do since he's been gone, he come back 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:23.080 to that one. It's just I don't know, just I 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:26.080 can only base all these observations on my relationship with him. 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:30.600 Perhaps it's more indication of her influence over him. Well, 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:33.320 the fact that it was going on during that play, 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:36.320 I would think. So that's that was the epitome of 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:38.360 what I felt. I think when I saw the play 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:40.800 they were in and the characters who were playing, and 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:43.960 that this thing, this tragedy happened during this I said, 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:46.360 don't tell me you don't know anything about what's going on, 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:49.840 because that I'm not buying because of Rachel. I know, 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:53.680 and the day, and I know there's no way you know, 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:56.840 you're getting to something that's getting really tender with me. 0:16:56.920 --> 0:17:00.520 But I think there's a there's a lot hasn't been 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:03.640 discovered yet. I hope it does. Well. Let's talk about that. 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:09.440 Because this trial takes place and she is charged, as 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:12.960 we know, with three felony accounts of accessory after the fact, 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:19.239 if she's convicted, the maximum time she'll she'll spend in 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:23.639 prison is three years. In my opinion, it's a shame. 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:29.440 Three years would never be close to enough justice for 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:33.600 the families based upon what I believe her complicity was. 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:39.080 Let's talk about what you believe her complicity was. Give us. 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:43.320 I went to see Daniel. I went to see Daniel 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:48.360 of the third week in June. Rachel and her mom, 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:51.679 Maryanne met me there. We sat and we talked for 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:57.119 a while. And first, first of all, I was upset 0:17:57.160 --> 0:17:58.320 that I had to go through her to get to 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:01.800 see my friend, but that I got over asked. Rachel 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:04.720 was very You never would have known. I'm telling you 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:09.360 my first impressions. You never would have known something as 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:13.120 horrific has just happened three weeks Pater that had happened. 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:16.120 I was. I was kind of taken back by that 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:21.960 at first. Blush. We got to talking and back and 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:25.560 forth with free Mom. I had the opinion Mom didn't 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:29.040 get the whole picture from Rachel because the conversation didn't 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:31.760 make sense. She kept saying that, well, I had no 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:34.679 idea this was coming. Yeah, and we just had no 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:36.920 ideas this is going on. And I said to myself, 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:42.160 I don't think so. But then she said something that 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:44.920 this is very very important. You need to hear this. 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:48.560 When I saw her on Dr Phil go through that 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:52.960 whole RANDMA with Dr Phil, Rachel said something to me 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:55.760 in front of her mother that I actually emailed her 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:58.600 mother back that night and gave her a warning. Rachel 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:02.120 told me and no certain terms. You know, the night 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:05.640 that that lady was killed, I was on an email 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:09.040 to her and I felt so suspicious and scared because 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:12.440 Daniel was standing right behind me, and I about dropped 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:15.600 my job and I said, you what, Yeah, that was 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:18.560 so spooky I looked at her mom, and her mom 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:22.720 just clambed up real quick. We went to the the 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:25.920 talking process, and then I went to see Daniel and 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:28.439 we got our eye signals like I'll be back you 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:31.320 and I will talk. And when I got home, I 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:34.919 I write on that email, I said, mary Anne, and 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:37.840 I still have that email. I said, Maryanne, you need 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:40.120 to be very cautious of something. Your daughter said something 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:41.919 that gives me pause, and I think you need to 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:45.040 talk about it with her. And I related to what 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:47.919 I had heard. Never talked to her mother after that. 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:50.359 Maybe a couple of congenial hides, but they just stopped 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:54.000 the communications. They get back and that's when I told 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:56.360 my wife. I said, there's more to this story than 0:19:56.720 --> 0:20:00.560 than me. C I I just I can't it doesn't 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:02.359 add up to me. And I said, I'm not the 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:05.280 police here, but that broke my heart. I was convinced 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:09.080 now after that conversation, that this general lady was going 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:12.320 to get away with literally murder, and there wasn't much 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:14.600 I could do. I mean, and Dan won't give her up. 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:17.920 For some reason. Dan is not letting that go. And 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:20.720 I and I told Daniel, I looked him right in 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:22.520 the eye as a minister and his been. I said, 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:24.639 you owe this to God and you owe this to 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:28.000 those families. You need to come clean. I can't make 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:31.200 you so I know, I said, don't be yes me, Daniel. 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:33.960 God knows what happened that night, and he knows who 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:37.520 was involved. You say you're you say you're saved, you're 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:40.560 born again, but you just need to do what's right. 0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:42.920 And you know we've that's where we left it. But 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:47.439 that's what happened on the first visit when Marianne and 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:51.000 Buffett and her daughter Rachel Buffett and I spoke for 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:53.000 about forty five minutes to an hour before he went 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:56.760 into see Dan. So I'd like to go over that 0:20:56.800 --> 0:20:59.399 because it's a lot to just take in. And Daniel, 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:02.160 thank you so much for sharing all that. So what 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:05.560 you're saying is, before your first visit into the Men's 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:09.000 County Jail to visit Daniel Wazniak, you sat first with 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:14.800 mary Ann Buffett and Rachel Buffett, and in that conversation 0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:21.159 Rachel spoke to you about what she said on the 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:24.040 Doctor Phil Show. Again, she shared with you what she 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:27.720 said on the Doctor Phil Show. No, she wouldn't have 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:30.040 been on the Doctor Phil Show. By then, remember Dr 0:21:30.040 --> 0:21:32.560 Phil Show would come down the line. Okay, so that's 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:35.440 what I was confused about. Dr Phil was was soon 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:38.920 after she was arrested. In No, it's when I saw 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:41.600 It's when I saw Dr Phil and watch what she said. 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:44.280 My wife had to control me because I stood up 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:46.520 and said, but that's not what you said to me 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:49.240 and your mother. You said you texted her and you 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:51.880