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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A tailgate party shock.

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Speaker 2: A gorgeous young Texas A and M honor student, a

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Speaker 1: Her friends clam.

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Speaker 2: Up, although they apparently were all together at a party

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Speaker 2: before a stranger a passerby finds her dead. I'm messy, Grace,

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Speaker 2: this is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen year old Brianna Aguilera is top of her class

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Speaker 3: at Texas A and M University, on track to shine

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Speaker 3: at law school. She attends a tailgate with her friends,

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Speaker 3: celebrating the big game, unaware of the tragedy soon to follow.

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Speaker 2: There's so much to this case, but I can tell

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Speaker 2: you this much. Brianna Aguilar's mother does not buy what

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Speaker 2: the Austin PD is selling, and neither am I Two

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Speaker 2: many coincidences. Why is she with her friends at the

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Speaker 2: tailgate yet none of them report her missing? Why is

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Speaker 2: she found dead outside the Rio apartment high rise where

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Speaker 2: her friend has a place and they didn't notice she

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Speaker 2: wasn't there?

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Speaker 1: Why did they all clam up? Why was her.

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Speaker 2: Phone found by a creek? Why didn't mom call the

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Speaker 2: police and they refused to do nothing? She says, my

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Speaker 2: daughter's phone is pinging beside a creek.

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Speaker 1: She's not answering the phone. She's not supposed to be

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Speaker 1: by a creek in the middle of nowhere. They do nothing.

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Speaker 1: Now they're claiming there's no foul play? Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 2: I mean Scott Morgan first to you were now death

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Speaker 2: investigator joining us. He's done thousands of death scenes. Professor

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Speaker 2: or Jacksonville State University, professor forensics, author of Blood Beneath

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Speaker 2: My Feet on Amazon on Starva hit podcast Body Bags

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Speaker 2: with Joe Scott Morgan. Okay, Joe Scott, the morgue, the

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Speaker 2: Emmy hasn't even given us a cod cause of death.

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Speaker 1: So how can Austin p D say no foul play?

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Speaker 1: That's total bs.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that it is.

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Speaker 5: Nancy. I think that what they're going on is probably

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Speaker 5: the circumstantial evidence outside of what could be generated in

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Speaker 5: the morgue because they have no answers there. Definitively, I

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Speaker 5: can tell you, Yeah, Scott.

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Speaker 1: What circumstantial evidence?

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Speaker 5: Well, whoever they are getting this data from that she

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Speaker 5: was surrounded by, they might be just running with that

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Speaker 5: because I got to tell you, Nancy, falls from height

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Speaker 5: are one of the most difficult death cases to investigate,

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Speaker 5: particularly from the height that we're talking about. She is

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Speaker 5: going to be brutally traumatized as a result of what happened.

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Speaker 5: If this is an impact injury where she did in

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Speaker 5: fact fall, again, that speculative as far as I'm concerned.

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Speaker 5: They're just saying that she fell from that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am, Joe, look at your screen. Let me see

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Speaker 2: Brianna get Lar. Let me see her right now. Look

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Speaker 2: at this girl.

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Speaker 1: Does she look suicidal to you? Okay? I know, doctor

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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall have a field day with what I just said.

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Speaker 1: But wait a.

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Speaker 2: Minute, it's not just her looking happy, Doctor Bethany. She

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Speaker 2: was already a sophomore, but was just nineteen. Because she's

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Speaker 2: so smart, She's taken all these honor classes and moved ahead.

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Speaker 2: She was looking forward to taking her lsat. She couldn't

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Speaker 2: wait to get into law school. She and her mother

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Speaker 2: had planned ordering her Aggie Ring you know, Texas A

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Speaker 2: and M die Hard.

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Speaker 1: She was so excited. She was just with the family

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Speaker 1: for Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 2: She soaks in a bunch of family time, takes her

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Speaker 2: little brother brothers to see the new Wicked movie. She's

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Speaker 2: thrilled about going to a tailgate party, big Rye.

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Speaker 1: They're in the lone Star state. She's happy. She calls

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Speaker 1: her mom when she gets there.

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Speaker 2: Everything's fine now, Nancy says, I'm killing myself.

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Speaker 1: Look at this.

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Speaker 2: Look at this Bethany control room. Show me the railing

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Speaker 2: on the seventeenth floor.

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Speaker 1: What who is she not a komani?

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Speaker 2: She simone biles, She's going to do what a vault

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Speaker 2: over that?

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Speaker 1: That's b s.

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Speaker 6: According to one of the students who was interviewed, you

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Speaker 6: would have to get on a chair to jump over

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Speaker 6: that railingk So this was a young woman who was

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Speaker 6: very future minded. There doesn't appear to be any psychiatric history.

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Speaker 6: She appears to be able to concentrate, to restrain her

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Speaker 6: That's not likely somebody who's going to kill themselves. On

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Speaker 6: the other hand, Nancy, most psychiatric illness reveal themselves between

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Speaker 6: the ages of eighteen and twenty one. So if somebody

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Speaker 6: is going to become schizophrenic bipolar OCD, it would feel

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Speaker 2: You know where you are right now? Look around you

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Speaker 2: think you're in a studio.

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Speaker 1: You know where you really are. You're out in the weeds.

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Speaker 2: There is no indication that Brianna had bipolar, suicidal depression,

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Speaker 2: self harm.

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Speaker 1: None of that, she's saying.

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Speaker 2: And the mom gets so Carlin says, your daughter's in

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Speaker 2: the morgue. I'm not, you know, Bethany, I'm not going

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Speaker 2: Brianna Aguiletta.

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Speaker 1: I'm not.

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Speaker 2: She was not depressed, she was not suicidal. But but

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Speaker 2: but but what.

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Speaker 6: But I actually happened to agree with you. However, if

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Speaker 6: she was by polar, she could have been subtly going

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Speaker 6: into a manic episode, could have.

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Speaker 1: Been bib.

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Speaker 2: Where are you have you read a single shred of

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Speaker 2: evidence it says this little girl, nineteen years old, honor student, cheerleader,

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Speaker 2: the whole shebang thrilled about a tailgate, was bipolar or

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Speaker 2: did you just like make that up?

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Speaker 6: I just think it should be examined as a possibility.

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Speaker 6: I would want to look at her medical reference.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't want to know.

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Speaker 1: No question she was. Do you have any evidence to

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Speaker 1: say she was bipolar?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 2: I expect a lot more from you, doctor, Bethany Marshall.

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Speaker 2: You don't have a d R in front of your

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Speaker 2: name for nothing. Okay, I'm gonna let you sit there

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Speaker 2: and think about what you just said for a minute.

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Speaker 2: Joe Scott is just chomping it in the bit, Joe Scott.

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Speaker 2: I'm beside myself, Joe Scott. How old is my little girl, Lucy?

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Speaker 8: Uh?

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Speaker 5: Well, she's right on the verge of attending college, Nancy.

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Speaker 5: She's in this age.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, you and.

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Speaker 1: John David just turned eighteen.

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Speaker 2: And it's going to be a cold day and hul

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Speaker 2: Joe Scott. Somebody calls me and says your daughter's in

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Speaker 2: the morgue, and people start fabricating mental illnesses. This girl

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Speaker 2: was not suicidal. She was just with her family, thrilled,

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Speaker 2: couldn't wait to go to the game, couldn't wait to

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Speaker 1: Now she's dead. Her friends all vanished. They go to

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Speaker 1: the Four Corners.

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Speaker 2: Her cell phone is found in a completely different area

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Speaker 2: by a creek, and one of the friends purses, what

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Speaker 2: about that, that's not waving a red flag in front

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Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you what I know. Far be it

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Speaker 5: from me to tell you what to do, But if

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Speaker 5: you could be so kind as to put that image up.

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Speaker 5: Something struck me the image of the rail. Again, just

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Speaker 5: from a forensic standpoint, Nancy, I hope that whoever is

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Speaker 5: in charge of this investigation they locked down and secured

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Speaker 5: that apartment pretty quickly or this space. The reason is

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Speaker 5: is that just looking at the surface of that rail,

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Speaker 5: I want to know if she has fingerprints that have

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Speaker 5: been left behind on there. I want to know if

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Speaker 5: they're palm prints on there. And as Bethany had mentioned

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Speaker 5: as well, because those are points of contact. I have

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Speaker 5: to rely on the science here to try to understand. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: we'll we'll find out information about her body and what

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Speaker 5: they found as far as the trauma goes, and maybe

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Speaker 5: at some point time we're going to hear something about toxicology.

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Speaker 5: I believe that's going to take some time. But I

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Speaker 5: want to know about the interior of this place. I

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Speaker 5: want to know who has access to it. I want

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Speaker 5: to know are there any latent prints? Did they even

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Speaker 5: because you know, Nancy, they really jumped to suicide accident

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Speaker 5: that sort of thing really really quickly here. So did

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Speaker 5: they secure the scene where you can go back and

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Speaker 5: dust her prints and look for tercea v.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you this, Joe Scott.

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Speaker 2: If your body, God forbid, is found out on the

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Speaker 2: street by a stranger, I guarantee you I will not

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Speaker 2: disappear while your beautiful wife Kim looks for answers. Why

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Speaker 2: have the friends disappeared? Mommy has been trying to call

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Speaker 2: all of them. They won't return calls. They will tell

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Speaker 2: her nothing.

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Speaker 1: Why is that?

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Speaker 2: Nobody thinks that's odd except me. Not only that you stated,

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Speaker 2: did they secure the apartment?

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Speaker 1: I can tell you this, Joe Scott. They did not

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Speaker 1: even speak to the.

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Speaker 2: Friends until a whole day had passed, plenty of time

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Speaker 2: for them to get a story together.

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Speaker 1: And speaking of the friends, Joe Scott, your job.

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Speaker 2: As a death investigator is not just to look at

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Speaker 2: the body itself and whatever intrinsic evidence it may contain.

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Speaker 2: circumstances surrounding the death.

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Speaker 1: Is it not?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 5: Yes it is, and that means everything.

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Speaker 2: You don't think it's unusual that the friends don't report

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Speaker 2: her missing.

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Speaker 1: She's with them.

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Speaker 2: They're fourteen people sleeping over in that seventeenth floor up

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Speaker 2: apartment that night fourteen, and not one person said, Hey,

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Speaker 2: where's breed.

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Speaker 1: You don't find that odd, Yes.

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Speaker 4: It's very odd.

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Speaker 5: As a matter of fact, I think that in most investigations,

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Speaker 5: the authorities would be compelled to march every single one

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Speaker 5: of them down to headquarters and they're going to take

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Speaker 5: written statements from each and every one of these people

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Speaker 5: and get them on record so that they can cover

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Speaker 5: every jot and tittle. In this case, Nancy, because they're

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Speaker 5: in is going to rest the answers, because they're going

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Speaker 5: to know what was going on prior to this. Okay,

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Speaker 5: we know how this ended so tragically. I want to

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Speaker 5: know what happened night before. I want to know what

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Speaker 5: happened at that tailgate.

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Speaker 2: So many inconsistency swirling, And I gotta tell you this,

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Speaker 2: after we started calling the Austin PD yesterday, not non

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Speaker 2: stop trying to get a statement from them, Suddenly, after

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Speaker 2: they've been saying nothing to see here, everybody go home,

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Speaker 2: this was accident or suicide, no foul play, without even

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Speaker 2: having a cod I don't know how they can say

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Speaker 2: that they haven't looked for subcutaneous bruising under the neck,

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Speaker 2: they haven't looked for broken fingernails. How can they jump

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Speaker 2: up and say no foul play and call the mom

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Speaker 2: and say, oh, yeah, your daughter's turned up at the morgue. Really,

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Speaker 2: after we call them NonStop, they suddenly say we're rededicating

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Speaker 2: ourselves to the investigation.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, that's reassuring.

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Speaker 2: Let's start at the beginning when you don't know which

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Speaker 2: way to turn, start over at the beginning.

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Speaker 9: Brianna makes the five hour trip from Brian College station

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Speaker 9: home to Laredo to spend Thanksgiving with her mom, Stephanie,

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Speaker 2: This is the woman that has steered her daughter from

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Speaker 3: Stephanie expects Brianna to have her location on and answer

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Speaker 3: Stephanie calls Austin PDE to report Brianna missing, asking them

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine the panic that Mom felt, first time ever?

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Speaker 2: This is Brianna's grandma, Miss Nova.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for.

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Speaker 2: Being with us, Thank you, thank you, Miss Nov. I

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Speaker 2: do not believe that Brianna had an accident. I do

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Speaker 12: We started looking for her. Brianna was raised with us,

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Speaker 12: So how are we not going to care about Brianna.

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Speaker 12: Brianna was very smart, talented, a good girl, never had

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Speaker 12: So she was a happy girl. She had a lot

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Speaker 12: would never say no to no to none. Her mother

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Speaker 12: she was very happy about it. She would never commit

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Speaker 12: to us. I never had intentions of doing such a thing.

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Speaker 12: She was very happy, she was succeeding. She was happy

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Speaker 12: because she was going to get a ring in May

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Speaker 12: was an accident. Now a lot of things are coming out,

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Speaker 12: like this morning, I heard a passer by saying that

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Speaker 12: she was passing by, and he heard loud, loud, like

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Speaker 12: somebody was fighting, loud voices. So there was a fight,

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Speaker 12: and I always said there was a fight and somebody

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Speaker 12: of envy. They would always envy Brianna because she had

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Speaker 12: a nice car, she would dress up with expensive clothes,

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Speaker 12: she had everything. She had no thoughts of coming in suicide. No,

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Speaker 12: that is not true. And yes we need answers and

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Speaker 1: Answers, miss Nova.

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Speaker 2: Yes, miss Nova, I found the same thing that you heard,

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Speaker 2: and we have it to play for you. I want

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Speaker 2: you to hear what this witness says he heard that night.

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Speaker 13: From what I heard, it sounded like somebody was being

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Speaker 13: around her, and like nobody cared. I walk around the corner,

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Speaker 13: I get on Real Grande.

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Speaker 5: I hear a girl Sam check.

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Speaker 14: Out and then it was like it was like a

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Speaker 14: when like somebody put a pillow or something over your mouth.

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Speaker 4: That's what I heard.

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Speaker 2: We found that it's from j Pizzle on TikTok, and

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Speaker 2: I believe that is what missus Nova is referring to.

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Speaker 2: You know, I want to go very quickly to a

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Speaker 2: special guest. In addition to Brionna's grandma joining us, missus Nova,

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Speaker 2: Phil Waters is with me former homicide detective in Texas

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Speaker 1: Phil, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: When I judge a witness's credibility, whether I'm going to

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Speaker 2: I am prosecuting, in the case I believe in, I

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Speaker 1: I judge their veracity, their.

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Speaker 2: Demeanor, because I would have know that I believe them

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Speaker 1: And what I found interesting.

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Speaker 2: Here is the way he described in rich detail the

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Speaker 2: as if he is reliving what he.

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Speaker 1: Heard that night.

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Speaker 15: I would just say, regarding to the witness here, and

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Speaker 15: I'm looking at this through the eyes of an objective

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Speaker 15: homicide the witness appears to be from what he is saying,

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Speaker 15: certainly sincere about what he is saying. But I don't

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Speaker 2: Anth to them, So you know, okay, you know what,

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Speaker 2: let's narrow that down there.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Alex Keno was joining us out of Laredo, which she

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Speaker 2: is taking center stage here. She's the assistant news director

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Speaker 2: kg NSTV. Alex, that witness is talking about what he

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Speaker 2: heard the night before her body was found, when she

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Speaker 2: would have been at that party at that after that tailgate.

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Speaker 1: In that location.

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Speaker 2: Alex, why is Austin p D saying there's no foul

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Speaker 16: We actually spoke to Brianna's mother, Stephanie, and she had

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Speaker 16: She said there was a group of people that witness

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Speaker 16: looking for answers. They basically told her there was a

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Speaker 16: of the distance of where her daughter fell, quote unquote.

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Speaker 16: So there was just a lot of uncertainty with this,

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Speaker 16: very well known. Her family is getting a lot of support.

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Speaker 16: We also got a word from Congressman Hendrik Wayat. He's

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Speaker 11: The detective called me telling me that my daughter had

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Speaker 4: I was in disbelief.

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Speaker 11: I yelled, I shouted.

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Speaker 7: I told the officer that it wasn't true.

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Speaker 17: That he was lying to me.

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Speaker 12: It was just devastation to the max.

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Speaker 11: My daughter was not suicidal.

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Speaker 7: She loved life.

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Speaker 11: She wanted to graduate, she wanted to become an attorney.

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Speaker 11: Like there was never one ounce of her that was

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Speaker 3: Stephanie does not accept Austin Pede's assumption Brianna committed suicide. Stephanie,

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Speaker 12: Would not jump off a seventeen story buildings. She wouldn't.

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Speaker 11: She was afraid of heights, and the and the measurements

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Speaker 2: director Kate g n STV in Texas. Tell me about

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Speaker 2: How did fourteen people end up back at the Rio

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Speaker 16: Well, I can just tell you what Stephanie told us,

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Speaker 16: what's going on? All she knows is that she was

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Speaker 16: That's what she told us at that time. There was

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Speaker 2: Joscott Morgan, what is the geometric system Austin PD seemingly

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm thinking that they're probably referring to potentially something

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Speaker 5: We're talking and when you're talking about a fall, particularly

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think that the headline there Joe Scott

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Speaker 2: I know that I don't need a geometric system that's

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Speaker 2: find out why she went over that rail and who

444
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 2: if anyone pushed her or threw her over. I really

445
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 2: don't think she took a running leap and jumped over

446
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 2: based on what Grandma is telling me.

447
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: Josephine Nova is with us MS Nova.

448
00:25:52,400 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 2: When did her mother, Stephanie learn that Brianna is she dead?

449
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 12: On Saturday? She tried to get a hold of the friends.

450
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,959
Speaker 12: I did too as well. She tried the police to

451
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 12: help her find her daughter. No, there was no help,

452
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 12: no response. She found out about her daughters, about my

453
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 12: granddaughter's death. Like around four o'clock in the afternoon. She

454
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 12: begged the police, offered us to go and check.

455
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 2: The seeing police for over twenty four hours right trying

456
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 2: to find her daughter, and they would not help.

457
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 12: No, they said that she had to wait a period

458
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 12: of twenty four hours. And then she kept an insistent

459
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,959
Speaker 12: She never gave up. She kept an insistent calling and

460
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 12: because she had Brianna's location on the phone, and she

461
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 12: kept on saying, Mom, Brianna's location is showing me that

462
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 12: that the phone is in a creek. That's when we

463
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 12: started raising concerns and it got worse between us the family.

464
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 12: Stephanie and I kept on a report into each other

465
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 12: as two words. We wanted to find where Brianna was.

466
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 12: We knew that there was a lot of friends with her.

467
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 12: No one was answering the phone calls. And it was

468
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 12: such a coincidence that that that then after they found out,

469
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 12: they knew they had to know because they were all together.

470
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 12: Why didn't they called Brianna's mom, my daughter, Stephanie. Why

471
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 12: it was a big group and now everybody knew each other,

472
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 12: everybody knew Brianna. Why did they did not call my

473
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,479
Speaker 12: daughter to let her know that Brianna was missing too,

474
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 12: that Brianna had jumped, or that Brianna had been pushed.

475
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 12: Everybody had it as a hush hush, and no one

476
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 12: was answering the phone calls. Now there was a rumor

477
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 12: someone says that they had promised each other that no

478
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 12: one was gonna say nothing, and that that's why they

479
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 12: were not answering the phones. No one was answering the phones,

480
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 12: and they knew that that had happened.

481
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: Did you just say that one of them told the

482
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 2: others not to answer the phone nobody say anything.

483
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 12: Yes, that they promised each other that no one was

484
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 12: gonna say nothing, and that's why no one was answering

485
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 12: the phone calls.

486
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Speaker 2: Kenneth Trey Gobert joining us managing partner Lee Gobert and

487
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 2: Marina He graduated Texas A and M. He is joining

488
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 2: us from the Austin jurisdiction. I've got a lot of

489
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: problems right now, and I've always been a big supporter

490
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 2: of the Austin.

491
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: PD, but not tonight.

492
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 2: How can they say no foul play when they don't

493
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 2: even have a cod And also what about friends that

494
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 2: agree not to pick up the phone when the mom calls?

495
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 18: Yeah, there's a lesson here in the way that Austin

496
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 18: Police Department, and again I'm generally very impressed with Austin

497
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 18: Police Department. There's a lesson that, you know, there's something

498
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 18: to be to be considered for mother's intuition. And when

499
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 18: Bree's mom is calling expressing these concerns, she's doing her

500
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 18: due diligence. She's she's noting that the phones on do

501
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 18: not discurb. The police should have taken it much more seriously,

502
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 18: much sooner, and unfortunately that's that wasn't the case. I'm

503
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 18: glad to hear that they're re upping their interest in

504
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 18: the investigation.

505
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 10: Now listen, twelve forty seven am, Austin Police respond to

506
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 10: a Good Samaritans report of an unconscious woman outside of

507
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 10: the twenty one Rio high Rise. The woman is pronounced

508
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 10: dead at twelve fifty seven am. It's not until four

509
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 10: pm that afternoon that Stephanie Rodriguez has told her daughter

510
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 10: Brianna Aguilera is dead. Officers first tell her Bree jumped,

511
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 10: then say her friends don't know how Brie ended up

512
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 10: seventeen stories below.

513
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 12: There's a lot of inconsistencies with the story.

514
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 8: He told me that they said she jumped, and then

515
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 8: he told me that the friends said that they didn't

516
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 8: know her whereabouts.

517
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 2: I would like to see every one of the friends

518
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 2: hooked up to a polygraph, if they've got the backbone

519
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: to do it. That last son was from ksat twelve

520
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 2: And back to Josephine Nova, Brianna's grandmother joining us tonight.

521
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: That's inconsistent. First they say, well, she jumped. Then they go,

522
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 2: we didn't know where she was, we didn't know what happened.

523
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: She jumped. What that's clearly inconsistent. That's a nice way

524
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: of saying a lie, missus Nova.

525
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 12: Yes, And then after that, what a coincidence that they

526
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 12: cleaned up the apartment really quick? They were gone, everyone

527
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 12: was gone.

528
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: What do you mean they cleaned up the apartment really quickly.

529
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 12: Yes, that's what my daughter was told. That's what Stephanie

530
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 12: was told at that the following day they had every

531
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 12: apartment was cleaned up. That's what they say.

532
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: And as a matter of fact, one of the people

533
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: that live there just leaves.

534
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,719
Speaker 12: They leave, yes, yes, yes, yes, And they were like

535
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 12: fifteen or more than fifteen partying in that same apartment,

536
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 12: that same place, had she Brianna got to send us

537
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 12: pictures with some of them in the balcony when she

538
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 12: was happy. She did not steel Hill, Sir. She did

539
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 12: not come in suicide. She did not throw herself some

540
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 12: there was a fight because someone some of those girls.

541
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 12: One of those girls was jealous because she thought that

542
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 12: the guy that she was dating, or the boyfriend or

543
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 12: whatever was after Brianna, and they always a fight.

544
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: Okay, hold on just a moment, miss Nova.

545
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 2: I want to follow up with doctor Bethany Marshall joining us,

546
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: The same doctor Bethany Marshall that started talking about Brianna

547
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: maybe being bipolar, which she's not.

548
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: Are you getting a.

549
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: Clearer picture of what we've been talking about and why

550
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 2: I'm so distraught tonight?

551
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 6: I mean, I am Nancy.

552
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: Hey, Bethany, listen to this. Listen to this.

553
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 4: Okay.

554
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 8: Now, there was that fight that happened between my daughter

555
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 8: and another girl, and they were all seeing in the

556
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,239
Speaker 8: same apartment that I have actual text messages of, and

557
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 8: the detective just he just regarded them.

558
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 19: Brianna's friends are questioned for the first time at one

559
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 19: pm Saturday, more than twelve hours after she was found dead.

560
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 19: The friends were allowed to come and go from the

561
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 19: apartment as they pleased and had plenty of time to

562
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 19: get their story straight. Stephanie says, the group of fourteen

563
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 19: refuses to speak to her, and the person who lives

564
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 19: there has now vacated the apartment.

565
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 2: From our forensic ksat twelve, Doctor Bethany Marshall, you don't

566
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 2: find it odd that one of the people that lived there,

567
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 2: the one that lived there, just leaves, packs up and leaves.

568
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 6: Reminds me of Shanquela Robinson. Remember her friends lured her

569
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 6: to Cabo San Lucas and then she ended up dying.

570
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 6: You know, Nancy, Jealousy and envy are two of the

571
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 6: strongest motivators for homicide. So you think of Brianna, they

572
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,959
Speaker 6: were probably envious of her because she's beautiful, she has

573
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 6: a family who supports her, she's way ahead in her academics,

574
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 6: and also jealous. What's coming out with the grandmother is

575
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 6: saying that that one of the girls there thought that

576
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 6: her boyfriend was attracted to Brianna. So you have envy

577
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 6: and jealousy, which are very strong motivators. And just like

578
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 6: Shankalla Robinson, if you remember that story, remember the mother's intuition,

579
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 6: she knew something had happened to her daughter, and she

580
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 6: started to call and call those friends, got on a plane,

581
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 6: came home and refused to take the mother's call. It's

582
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 6: the same pattern all over again. And the fact that

583
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 6: these girls she entered the apartment with these girls, Brianna did,

584
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 6: but then the girls left without her. Kind of girls

585
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 6: do not act that way. Kind of girls they watch

586
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 6: out for their girlfriends. Of the girlfriend and disappears, they

587
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 6: go after them, They look for them, they want to

588
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 6: be in touch with the mother. In this case, the

589
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 6: girl's left without her, So I'm thinking that this might

590
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 6: be alluring her in kind of case again, especially since

591
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 6: the mother, her mother, really Stephanie, did not want Brianna

592
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 6: to go with these friends. Stephanie knew that something was amiss,

593
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 6: so maybe the friends were luring her there for some

594
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 6: foul purpose.

595
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 10: Austin PD recovers Brionna's phone, though they haven't said where,

596
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 10: returning the device to her grieving mother. Stephanie says her

597
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 10: daughter's texts indicate she got into a fight with one

598
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 10: of the other girls staying at Rio twenty one Friday night.

599
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 10: When she highlights the texts to an officer, he tells

600
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Speaker 10: her they are not investigating Brianna's death as a homicide.

601
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 11: I just want them to stop saying that they're not

602
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 11: treating this as a homicide case.

603
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: Someone did something to my daughter from Wai. Doctor Bethany

604
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: Marshall is exactly correct.

605
00:34:55,200 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 2: This reminds us all of the horrific, brutal death of

606
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 2: Shanquola Robinson.

607
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: This is what her mother told me.

608
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 20: I told him just keep me in phone, and they

609
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 20: did get called back, but they still saying it was alcohol.

610
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 4: Wasn't.

611
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 20: Later on that evening they called and seid that Shanqula

612
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 20: had passed. And at that point my heart clumbled up,

613
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 20: you know, just knowing my child was done and I

614
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 20: couldn't get there to her, could not do anything.

615
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: They say, the medics came, three.

616
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 20: Medics came, and no one couldn't do anything, couldn't save I.

617
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,240
Speaker 17: Don't know which way to believe, you know, I believe

618
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 17: the autos, but the so called friends, I just don't

619
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 17: know what to say about them. I just think it

620
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 17: was this terrible the way they've done.

621
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 2: That was Salamanja Robinson speaking with me after the death

622
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 2: of her daughter, Shanquola.

623
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: And you saw the.

624
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 2: Video of Shinquela being beaten by her friends till she's dead,

625
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 2: and then when the mom tries to reach the friends,

626
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 2: they are gone, some of them. Even moving sounds familiar,

627
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 2: doesn't it, Sydney Summer.

628
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 7: Absolutely, it sounds extremely familiar. We don't know how this

629
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 7: beautiful po ed ended up seventeen floors below, and none

630
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 7: of her friends knew that she was gone. They first

631
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 7: tell police she jumped, then they say they don't know

632
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 7: what happened to her. A bystander had to find her

633
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 7: body and alert the police. It's horrible that we're seeing

634
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 7: this happen again and again and again with people who

635
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 7: are supposed to be friends. It doesn't make any sense.

636
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: And we already are hearing Sydney that they quote.

637
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: Promised each other no one would pick up the phone

638
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 2: when the mom calls. Can you imagine what that mom

639
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 2: is living through right now? And here's another case where

640
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: the parents of a murdered girl desperately seeking answers and nobody.

641
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: Will pick up the phone. Does the name Gabby Petito

642
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: ring a bell? Because I will never forget it.

643
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 4: I'm asking for help everyone at home. I'm asking for help.

644
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 15: From the parents of Brian, and I'm asking for help

645
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 15: of the family members and friends of the Laundry family

646
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 15: as well.

647
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 11: We were having this issue of trying to get her

648
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 11: reported missing.

649
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: We tried to call the laundries.

650
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 20: We had a friend in insurance who kind of got

651
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 20: in trouble who gave us their phone numbers because we

652
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 20: did not have their phone numbers.

653
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 6: We were having this issue of trying to get her

654
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 6: reported missing.

655
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 4: Again for the laundry silence. The laundries did not help

656
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 4: us find Gabby.

657
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 11: They're sure is not going to help us find Brian.

658
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 15: Let you bother you that Gabby was strangled, but your

659
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 15: son involved in strangling Gabby.

660
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: That from Fox five, Fox ten, Fox Digital.

661
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 2: And you also heard mister Potito speak missus Potito speaking

662
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Speaker 2: to us at crime Con.

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Speaker 1: They begged and begged and begged.

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Speaker 2: They couldn't even get a return phone call, a text

665
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Speaker 2: and email from the Laundry family. Is they searched for

666
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 2: Gabby and searched for answers to Kenneth Trey. Gober Trey,

667
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Speaker 2: your high profile lawyer out of this jurisdiction.

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Speaker 1: Why won't the friends pick up the phone when.

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Speaker 2: Brianna's mother is desperately calling looking for answers.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, we could speculate on that. I mean, obviously, if

671
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Speaker 18: they feel exposure that they could have some criminal culpability,

672
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Speaker 18: that would be a reason why they wouldn't want to

673
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Speaker 18: talk about it. You know, hopefully they are talking with

674
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Speaker 18: law enforcement and law enforcements just protecting the quality of

675
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 18: the investigation releasing a lot of information. Unfortunately, we don't

676
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 18: have any reason or way to know one way or

677
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 18: the other other than initially report. The police were treating

678
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 18: this as no suspicion circumstances of Balclay.

679
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall, it looks like a rat, It smells

680
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: like a rat, It squeaks like a rat.

681
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: I smell a rat.

682
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 2: Everything is wrong here, and I'm extremely disappointed in the

683
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: Austin p D for blurting out no suspicious circumstances.

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Speaker 6: You know, that was so premature because they have no

685
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 6: way to know. You know, remember with the Coburger quadruple

686
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 6: homicide that Bethany and Dylan, the surviving roommates, were desperate

687
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 6: to talk to the police when they got there. They

688
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 6: had all kinds of information they wanted to tell them.

689
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 6: They wanted to debrief from the traumatic experience. And you

690
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 6: can trast that with these so called friends a Brianna

691
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 6: who clam up and decide they're not going to return

692
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Speaker 6: the mother's calls and are sort of seem like they're

693
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Speaker 6: getting their story together. I hold my theories lightly. I

694
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 6: don't make up my mind right away about what's going on,

695
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Speaker 6: and I would hope that the PD there does the same,

696
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 6: that they would maybe have a theory about what happens,

697
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 6: but hold it lightly until they have a chance to

698
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 6: investigate and get to the bottom of this.

699
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Speaker 2: To Joe Scott Morgan, death investigator or star of Body

700
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Speaker 2: Bags of Joe Scott Morgan, Joe Scott, throw me a bone,

701
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 2: what is our best hope? Is there anything that can

702
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: be learned from the autopsy at this juncture?

703
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Speaker 1: What's the problem?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's plenty to be learned from the autopsy Nancy. Hopefully,

706
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 5: layer by layer they can begin to try to understand

707
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 5: what kind of trauma she may have undergone prior to

708
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 5: going over that rail. Now that's a very delicate process

709
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 5: and it does take time. The other piece to this

710
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 5: is I want to make sure that they do a

711
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 5: very thorough job on toxicology. One of the things that

712
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 5: I'm very concerned about in this case is that if

713
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 5: there was alcohol involved, was there anything that had been

714
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 5: slipped to her to facilitate this? As you stated earlier,

715
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 5: the odds of her throwing herself over that rail are

716
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 5: kind of small, right, So would she have been inebriated

717
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 5: or compromised in some way that someone could have gotten

718
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,959
Speaker 5: their hands on her. We need to explore every single.

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Speaker 2: Average crime stories with Nancy Gray.

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Speaker 1: Too, Josephine Alva joining us. This is Brianna's grandmother. You

721
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: stated that she was happy, she was looking forward to

722
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: the tailgate party, looking forward to the game, had her

723
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: clothes all picked out that she was going to wear.

724
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Speaker 1: That's a lot of future planning.

725
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Speaker 2: People that want to commit suicide are not planning a feature,

726
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: They're planning a way to commit suicide. I'm not buying it.

727
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: Tell me her state of mind, missus Nova. When she

728
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: left for that tailgate.

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Speaker 18: Party, she did not jump.

730
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Speaker 12: Someone pushed her. It had to be someone within those

731
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 12: two girls, one of them, I don't know which one

732
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 12: was it, but it was jealous of her, and she

733
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 12: took One of them took pictures of Brianna when a

734
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 12: guy had his arm around Brianna's shoulder and sent those

735
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Speaker 12: pictures too, Brianna's boyfriend in Lovelo. That's how the fight started.

736
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Speaker 2: And as a matter of fact, that night, Brianna was

737
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 2: texting her mom telling her about the argument with the

738
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Speaker 2: so called friends.

739
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Speaker 1: She was upset about the argument, how mean they were

740
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Speaker 1: being to her.

741
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, the mom had a premonition for Brianna not

742
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: to go with these friends to the tailgate. Why won't

743
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 2: Austin PD listen to the mom? Because we are Phil Waters.

744
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: What should Austin PD be doing right now?

745
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 15: I'm sure what they are doing is they're continuing the investigation. Look,

746
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 15: this is only four days after this incident occurred, and

747
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 15: I think it's a big presumption the information we're getting

748
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 15: now from the mother. I understand it, but again, I'm

749
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 15: looking at this from a homicide top of you, and

750
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 15: I'm telling you these detectives are going to have to

751
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 15: finish the investigation.

752
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Speaker 4: And a big part of it, one of your other

753
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 4: panel members.

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Speaker 15: Has already alluded to, is that the TOTS tests to

755
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 15: come back are going to be I think they're going

756
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 15: to clarify a lot of things in terms of her

757
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 15: state at the time that this occurred. I've worked the

758
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 15: case very similar to this. A young lady went over

759
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 15: railing at a hotel and there were certain circumstances that

760
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Speaker 15: very suspicious. Later determined that it was an accident. So

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Speaker 15: I think part of the problem here is we're attatching

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Speaker 15: this term suicide to this.

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Speaker 4: She makes it more painful for the family anytime that

764
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Speaker 4: kind of a term is attached to an investigation like this.

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Speaker 15: Right now, it's a suspicious death investigation and they're trying

766
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Speaker 15: to determine what happened.

767
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Speaker 2: You are comparing Brihanna's death to a case you once investigated.

768
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Speaker 2: You stated that in your case that you investigated, it

769
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Speaker 2: was an accident.

770
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Speaker 1: In that case, was the rail over four feet high?

771
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Speaker 4: Yes?

772
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Speaker 1: And how was there an accident? She certainly the victim

773
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Speaker 1: certainly didn't trip over it. If it's that tall, how

774
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 1: was there an accident?

775
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 15: Well, in this particular case, she was highly in topicated.

776
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 15: He gone back to the room with a co worker.

777
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 15: He was highly intoxicated. They were in the midst of

778
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 15: what they were doing in an intimate way, and at

779
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Speaker 15: some point in time she sat on the railing.

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Speaker 1: And there you go.

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00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 2: So you're telling me that that victim was having sex

782
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Speaker 2: on a balcony rail and fell Off.

783
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Speaker 1: I think it's what you're communicating.

784
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 4: Is that right, That's what the evidence showed.

785
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 2: Okay, that has no similarity to Brionna's case at all,

786
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 2: So comparing those is dangerous. My concern is now, no

787
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 2: one has been charged, no one has been named a

788
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: person of interest or a suspect. But because the Austin

789
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 2: PD went on record and stated there's no suspicious circumstances,

790
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: if this effort does go to trial.

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00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: That's going to be defensive exhibit number one. Can't you

792
00:45:59,640 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: just hear?

793
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 2: Isn't it true, Officer that you yourself stated there's nothing suspicious here?

794
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Speaker 1: Didn't you say that? But yet now you want a

795
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: jury to believe it was a homicide. That's going to

796
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: be stated. That's going to be defense exhibit number one,

797
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: isn't it?

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Speaker 15: Phil Well, I think we're making a big leap there, Nancy,

799
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Speaker 15: with all due respect, but I will tell you that

800
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 15: it's it's it is as similar as the comparison to

801
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Speaker 15: these other cases.

802
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Speaker 4: That you've just put up here.

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Speaker 15: Uh So, I just think each case is unique to itself,

804
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 15: and while there are similarities to other cases, I think

805
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:42,919
Speaker 15: we need to concentrate on this one.

806
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 4: We need to let the evidence lead us to where

807
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 4: we need to be.

808
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: And it's always that you brought up a girl having

809
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: sex on a railing. The case is.

810
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 2: Weird using to speak to moms.

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Speaker 15: What I'm trying to get across here is is that

812
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 15: I have worked a Devilaer case where you had a

813
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 15: young lady.

814
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 4: Who went over a rate and it was an accident.

815
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 4: Those were the circumstances that are which had occurred.

816
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 15: Now what we have here in this case is we've

817
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 15: got at least fourteen or fifteen people in an apartment

818
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 15: celebrating or actually I guess they're A and M people,

819
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Speaker 15: so they're not celebrating the loss to Texas. You've got

820
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 15: one hundred and three thousand people attending that particular game.

821
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Speaker 4: They've all been partying.

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Speaker 15: We don't know what the level of intoxication was among

823
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Speaker 15: all these people. There's a lot of things we don't know,

824
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Speaker 15: And the information that we're getting is mainly from the mother,

825
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,479
Speaker 15: and she is trying to communicate what she was told

826
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 15: by Austin TV. Now we all know that the more

827
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 15: of these stories get told, the more convoluted they get.

828
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Speaker 15: So I'm not trying to criticize anybody here except for

829
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 15: the fact that I think we need.

830
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Speaker 4: The investigation company.

831
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Speaker 1: Well said they'd come out and said there's nothing, but

832
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 1: I found a lot suspicience.

833
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 15: Has Austin PED made a press release a formal statement

834
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Speaker 15: saying that or is this what the mother is saying?

835
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Speaker 1: That Austin PD told to Sidney some rejoining US Crime

836
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Speaker 1: Stories investigative reporter, where's that coming from? That Austin PD

837
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: says we're not investigating this as a homicide.

838
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 7: Multiple statements from the department. They even updated a statement

839
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 7: after all of this outrage confirming that they are still

840
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 7: not investigating this as a homicide. They say there are

841
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 7: no suspicious circumstances and that this is a simple death investigation,

842
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 7: which just makes no sense.

843
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so Phil, it is from the Austin PD.

844
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: It's not the mom Brihanna's mom having some hysterical fit

845
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Speaker 2: and making up something.

846
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Speaker 1: It's from Austin PD. They are the ones that says

847
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 1: there's no suspicious circumstances, all.

848
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 15: Right, And Austin PD is telling you what they are investigating,

849
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 15: which is this is what we call it a suspicious.

850
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Speaker 4: Death investigation or a death investigation. That's what they are doing.

851
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 15: Now, if the end of this investigation, something a piece

852
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 15: of evidence occur, then you not this that changes direction

853
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 15: of the investigation, then that will reveal it, and that

854
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 15: will send that that way. But at this point in time,

855
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 15: the detectives are telling everyone that what they have right

856
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 15: now is a death investigation and they're going to continue

857
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 15: that way. It doesn't mean that they're not They're not

858
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 15: going to go, oh wow, we've got a piece of

859
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 15: evidence here that now sending us in a murder investigation.

860
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 4: That's not what they're saying.

861
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Speaker 15: They're saying at this point in time, the evidence that

862
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 15: they have is not leading them to a murder. It's

863
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 15: leading them to a death investigation, and they want to

864
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 15: find out why and how she ended.

865
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Speaker 4: Up on the pavement on the twenty ninth of November.

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Speaker 2: And Sidney, what exactly were the words from Austin PD.

867
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Speaker 2: What exactly did they say, because it doesn't sound like

868
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Speaker 2: what he just said.

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Speaker 7: They say there is no indication of suspicious circumstances, and

870
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 7: they update that to say there is no evidence to

871
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 7: suggest or support any suspicious or criminal circumstances. That is

872
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 7: the language of their statement. They do not believe anyone

873
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 7: else was involved in Breonna's death.

874
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Speaker 2: New York Control Room, could you please send a copy

875
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Speaker 2: of tonight's program to Austin PD. I'm hearing you, yes,

876
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 2: so maybe we can help them find the same suspicious

877
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Speaker 2: circumstances that we have found and that her grandmother has found,

878
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 2: and that her mother has found. You know what, It

879
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 2: is a sad state when the mother can't grieve for

880
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 2: her daughter because she is trying to solve her death.

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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything.

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Speaker 2: About the death of this beautiful young Texas A and

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Speaker 2: m co ed Brianna Aguilera, please call Texas Crime Stoppers

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Speaker 2: five one two for seven two eight four seven seven tonight.

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Speaker 2: Please join us in our prayers for Brianna's family as

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Speaker 2: they search.

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Speaker 13: For the truth.

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Speaker 2: Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend.