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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back, George Nori with you. The Haunted Housewives

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Speaker 2: back with us after a five or six year hiatus.

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Speaker 2: Teresa Argie and Kathy Weber, also known as the Haunted Housewives,

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Speaker 2: have been involved in the paranormal fiel for decades. The

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Speaker 2: two teams. They've teamed up more than fifteen years ago

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Speaker 2: when Teresa, an experienced ghost hunter, met Kathy, a historian

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Speaker 2: and local author, and it began, Hello Teresa, welcome back.

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Speaker 3: Thanks George, thanks for having us back again.

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Speaker 2: And Kathy, Hello to you.

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Speaker 4: Hi, George, It's good to hear.

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Speaker 2: You Haunted the Housewives finally get together and meet up. Teresa.

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Speaker 3: You first, Oh, well, that's always a fun story to tell.

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Speaker 3: I was working with a local ghost hunting team here

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Speaker 3: in Ohio where I'm from, and they had previously done

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Speaker 3: an event with Kathy. It was kind of a combination

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Speaker 3: fund rais or ghost hunt, which I found fascinating. I

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Speaker 3: unfortunately didn't get to go, but I wanted to find

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Speaker 3: out more about this this avenue of entertainment, fundraising and

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Speaker 3: ghost hunting, and they said, oh, you should, you should

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Speaker 3: get in touch with Kathy. So I found Kathy and

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Speaker 3: I introduced myself and she was like, okay, that's nice,

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Speaker 3: but she wasn't interested in doing any more ghost hunting.

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Speaker 3: And I just kind of kept showing up.

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Speaker 5: At her job and her work and her local ghost

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Speaker 5: walk that she had, and finally I think she thought

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Speaker 3: And finally on one of her ghost walks, and I

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Speaker 3: had a very profound experience when we got to one

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Speaker 3: of the locations, and I think she either thought I

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Speaker 3: I basically told her that I wasn't going to go

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Speaker 3: away unless I could talk her into coming at a

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Speaker 3: ghost hunt with me.

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Speaker 2: Kathy, you fell for this, Sohn.

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Speaker 4: Not willingly and not right away.

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Speaker 6: In fact, the first time she tried to contact me,

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Speaker 6: I assumed it was like a crank call. So when

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Speaker 6: she tried to make time to meet with me, finally

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Speaker 6: she did just show up on the ghostblok because I

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Speaker 6: never called her back. And that's the first time we

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Speaker 6: met was in person, and I was still very very

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Speaker 6: reluctant to team up with her.

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Speaker 4: I thought she was a little crazy. What I still do.

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Speaker 2: What was the first haunted episode that you two went on.

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Speaker 4: The truth is she was just coming around.

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Speaker 6: We were meeting and out of all the things to happen,

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Speaker 6: I had planned a fundraiser at Ohio State Reformatory, one

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Speaker 6: of the most haunted places in the United States, and

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Speaker 6: she came with me to that and that was my

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Speaker 6: introduction to basically ghost hunting, and I, you know, introduction

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Speaker 6: by fire because crazy things were happening and she was

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Speaker 6: kind of mentoring me, and there were a few other

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Speaker 4: I need to find out what they're doing or and

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Speaker 4: how they do this.

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Speaker 6: And it kept me awake after the nights, and I

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Speaker 2: So, Teresa, what is the state of haunting investigations today?

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 3: I think the atmosphere has changed a little bit since

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Speaker 3: Kathy and I got into it. Like when I first

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Speaker 3: was involved in this, no one was ghost hunting, and

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Speaker 3: if they were, they weren't. They weren't telling people about

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Speaker 3: it publicly. It was still kind of frowned upon and

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Speaker 3: people thought you were kind of nuts. But then things

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Speaker 3: exploded with reality TV and the Internet bringing more people together,

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Speaker 3: and then we had this huge influx of reality shows

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Speaker 3: But yet there are still people who really take this

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Speaker 3: I think it's gone from I want to get on

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Speaker 3: I need to know more answers, or I have my

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Speaker 3: what Kathy and I have found, especially Kathy as there

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Speaker 3: have been working with somebody with that, and especially Kathy,

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Speaker 3: she gets contacted all the time. In fact, we've been

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Speaker 3: I think that's amazing.

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Speaker 2: How well known are you two nationwide?

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Speaker 6: I think we have our fans and I get contacted

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Speaker 4: Are around the country, and so does Tree, so we

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Speaker 6: And I don't know what impact we're really having on

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Speaker 6: have a lot of friends out there. And I can't

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Speaker 6: believe after all these years, people still recognize us and

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Speaker 6: want to work with us and know who we are.

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Speaker 2: How did you get the Moniker housewives?

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Speaker 3: That came from my husband? Actually, this is about the

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Speaker 3: same time I was trying to get involved with Kathy

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Speaker 3: was starting to do my own things locally, like finding

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Speaker 3: and finding out more about some local things around and

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Speaker 3: I was spending a lot of my free time doing it.

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Speaker 3: And this is when my children were very young still,

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Speaker 3: and my husband made a comment that I'm like a

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Speaker 3: But he likes to say there is a whole lot

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Speaker 2: And it stocked, though, didn't it.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely?

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 3: And then when I got together with Kathy because she

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Speaker 3: but people come from all over the United States to

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Speaker 3: So I think I think we're still pretty well known

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Speaker 2: And Theresa tell Us And then we'll get to you, Kathy.

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Speaker 2: What is a ghost?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think people have different definitions about what a

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Speaker 3: but what we believe. I think Kathy agrees with me.

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Speaker 3: What I think is a ghost is what is left

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Speaker 3: over of your human personality after someone passes away. I

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Speaker 3: your soul goes to wherever it needs to go, to

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Speaker 3: your afterlife, wherever your beliefs are. I believe in heaven.

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Speaker 3: But a ghost is is what remains of you. It's

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Speaker 3: almost like an echo of you or your essence that

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Speaker 3: is still here on earth by choice. I believe that

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Speaker 3: it has continued to stay on for one reason or another.

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Speaker 3: I don't know exactly what it is or why it's here,

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Speaker 3: something that remains after we die. And that is what

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Speaker 3: I believe is a ghost, like an echo of your

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Speaker 2: Kathy, your thoughts.

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Speaker 6: Well, that's like the million dollar question, George, what is

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Speaker 6: a ghost? But Teresa and I do really agree, mostly

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Speaker 6: on what she just told you. We've talked extensively about it,

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Speaker 6: and we you know, it's not something I think I'm

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Speaker 6: it's funny how you change through the years because I've

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Speaker 6: you growing in the universe.

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Speaker 4: And I think that people who don't.

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Speaker 6: Recognize them just don't have an open mind, because if

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Speaker 6: you want, if you have an open mind, you can

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Speaker 6: have an encounter everyone.

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Speaker 4: You know, most of the people in our circle, we've.

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Speaker 6: All had encounters, of course, because we're open to it

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Speaker 4: People who are not.

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Speaker 6: Looking for it, people who are not able to discuss

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Speaker 4: Realize what ghosts are.

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Speaker 6: So we'll find out about them, but we won't ever

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Speaker 2: Kathy, what would you say is one of your most

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Speaker 6: You know, I was thinking, We've had so many that

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Speaker 6: like like just at the attic at the Little Red Schoolhouse,

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Speaker 6: or it could be you know, across the country in

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Speaker 6: Nori and he's asking you these things, because it's like

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Speaker 6: we've had so many memorable ones, and each one to

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Speaker 6: So I think all of those are very, very memorable,

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Speaker 4: I guess Hobby, maybe Theresa.

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Speaker 2: What would you say for me?

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Speaker 3: Again? Like Kathy said, we've had many and every year

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Speaker 3: we have more and more experiences. But I believe the

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Speaker 3: most profound would have to be the time that I

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Speaker 3: was at the Ohio State Reformatory, Mansfield Prison, which is

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Speaker 3: notoriously location here in Ohio. And this is before I

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Speaker 3: actually investigate this incredible building, and we had been told

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Speaker 3: hear footsteps. In this place, women tend to get touched,

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Speaker 2: Is there any place you would not go to Theresa?

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Speaker 3: Yes, there are a couple places that I won't go.

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Speaker 3: There was a part of it that you could have

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Speaker 3: that my husband actually knew personally, and what he did

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Speaker 3: to that place I think is total sacrilege. And he

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Speaker 3: of blasphemous religious symbols in there and things that as

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Speaker 3: actually attracted a very very dark energy. The guy who

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Speaker 3: be Satanism. He is into worshiping something that is not

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's people's choice. If they want to go there,

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Speaker 2: My first radio job, the radio station was a in

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Speaker 3: Well, oh my god, I found a mummified cat the

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Speaker 3: It was incredible. And it wasn't like mummified on purpose.

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Speaker 3: I think it had just died and become mummified there.

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Speaker 3: And it's really sad because when you think of the

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Speaker 3: At funeral homes they enticed me. I think it would

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Speaker 3: be really neat to investigate a funeral home, but not

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Speaker 2: I agree, Theresa. What's the one thing you wish you

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Speaker 3: What I wish I would have learned before I started

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Speaker 3: this is interesting, this is incredible. Ghosts are are real

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Speaker 3: historic part of it. What Kathy taught me is that ghosts,

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Speaker 3: And sometimes they just are screen me out to be remembered,

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Speaker 3: and other times they want to be acknowledged for something

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Speaker 3: to tell. I wish I would have really appreciated the

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