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Speaker 4: Oh Foster, Moreau dropped what could have been the game

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Speaker 4: in the red zone that didn't work. Either the Jaguars

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Speaker 4: that was, you know, not as entertaining as that score

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Speaker 3: Jaguars were gonna run away with this.

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Speaker 4: I'm Greg Rosenthal wrapping up T and F with Charles

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Speaker 3: He helped us out a year ago.

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Speaker 4: Charles, he's the host of the Exemptless podcast doing good

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Speaker 4: stuff over at Yahoo Sports.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining, Charles, Glad we got a good one

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, I was a little worried when as this

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Speaker 6: And let the other team get back into it.

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Speaker 5: But they were blessed by the grace of God really

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Speaker 6: That actually was.

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Speaker 4: Right, there's so much and I do think this tends

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Speaker 3: So this was an ugly game, but it ended up

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Speaker 4: And I'm trying to check myself because you know, I

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Speaker 3: They get to five and two, and you said it, Charles.

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Speaker 4: Every week they come out and their opening script is godlike,

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Speaker 4: How are you feeling watching them boo the hell out

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Speaker 3: They're three and three they're tied for Are they tied

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Speaker 5: It's just it's wasn't like these people deserve to have

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Speaker 3: Y'all much of it.

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Speaker 3: To get a job.

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Speaker 5: year after.

443
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Speaker 3: He didn't want to.

444
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,040
Speaker 4: It was the same iron cycle as Alan and but

445
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Speaker 4: they ended up with a better coach with with Doug Peterson,

446
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Speaker 4: and thank you. This is why I like the tn

447
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Speaker 4: F recaps. The only time we go this deep into

448
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Speaker 4: one team. It's the only time I really feel like

449
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,160
Speaker 4: I have the space where my regular co hosts Mark

450
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,359
Speaker 4: and Dan aren't just gonna cut me off from making

451
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 4: my three minute rant on the Saints have just been

452
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Speaker 4: trying to protect their jobs all these years with.

453
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Speaker 6: Dennis it was Byron left wind. I just looked it up.

454
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Speaker 6: Memory did not fail.

455
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Speaker 5: Yeah, they picked Doug over Byron, and then Byron got

456
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 5: fired after this past season.

457
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Speaker 4: M well, they made they made a good choice, Doug,

458
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 4: Doug Peterson doing a good job. And then the last

459
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Speaker 4: thing on the Saints is you mentioned how, yeah, they

460
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Speaker 4: didn't protect car Well tonight maybe a little better than

461
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 4: you would expect. They did have backups at their tackle

462
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 4: position that you know they they suddenly are very banged

463
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Speaker 4: up there, but that speaks to the weirdness that's.

464
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Speaker 3: Going on there.

465
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Speaker 4: Their first round pick, Trevor Penning, was their left tackle

466
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:37,479
Speaker 4: started the whole season until last week when an article

467
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 4: goes up on New Orleans Football dot Com. I don't

468
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Speaker 4: know how deep you got into this charge now, but

469
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Speaker 4: I'm deep at the Saint's Twitter talking basically about how

470
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Speaker 4: bad Trevor Penning's been watched him play, sources inside the

471
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 4: organization and saying how he's messing up the run game

472
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Speaker 4: and that he's going to be benched, and that's how

473
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Speaker 4: he learned that he was going to be benched. And

474
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Speaker 4: I'm fine with like them benching Trevor Penning and he struggled.

475
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Speaker 4: But this is some Dennis Allen stuff where he and

476
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Speaker 4: he did it back in Oakland and he's done it

477
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Speaker 4: a little bit in New Orleans with when they were

478
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Speaker 4: going to trade ced deuce where he started seeing all

479
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 4: this stuff popping out in the media, and he's just

480
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 4: like kind of using the.

481
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Speaker 3: Media to explain what he's going to do.

482
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Speaker 4: But it's like, just tell the man, just tell the

483
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 4: man in your bench, right, you don't need to like

484
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 4: do some whole sourcing and bury him in the media.

485
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Speaker 4: So it's like, I don't think players respect that, and

486
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 4: they're not stupid. Believe me, if I'm talking about it,

487
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 4: they're talking about.

488
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Speaker 6: It well, especially with the Trevor Penning thing.

489
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Speaker 5: It's not like benching would not have been totally justified

490
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Speaker 5: based on Washington play.

491
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Speaker 6: So I don't know why you would.

492
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Speaker 4: Like they got and then their left tackle got hurt,

493
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Speaker 4: and then their backup left tackle got hurt, the fifth

494
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Speaker 4: string tackle.

495
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Speaker 3: What's going on? They didn't start.

496
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Speaker 5: I know, it's crazy that it kind of seems like

497
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Speaker 5: they're just waving the white flag on Matt Pick already,

498
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Speaker 5: which is kind of crazy, but he really.

499
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Speaker 6: Has been that bad.

500
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Speaker 5: I think it's it's it's also kind of an indictment

501
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Speaker 5: on maybe even where they are like culturally that that

502
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,959
Speaker 5: they would rather go andres Pete and cam Irving as

503
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 5: your tackles and even just try to have your first

504
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 5: round tackle, you know, just give it a go.

505
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 4: So he was on the field when they like lined up,

506
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Speaker 4: I don't know if it was like seven on the

507
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 4: line or something.

508
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 3: For that Taysom Hill touchdown.

509
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 6: In the backfield, you got tackle.

510
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 4: You got your defensive tackle, Caylen Sanders in the backfield,

511
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 4: you got Trevor Petting over there as like an extra

512
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,439
Speaker 4: tight end. I mean, every time I watch the Saints,

513
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,439
Speaker 4: I can't believe I got to this place. But I'm like,

514
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 4: give me more Taysom Hill man.

515
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 3: Like, you know, he's pretty good at what he does.

516
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Speaker 3: He's not worth He's not worth the money that he gets.

517
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 4: He's guaranteed like thirteen million dollars next year by the

518
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 4: way too, so he's not going anywhere. But it's like

519
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 4: at least they got some juice when he's on the field.

520
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 4: He's been pretty good this year.

521
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Speaker 5: As as so one who has been on the wrong

522
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Speaker 5: end of a lot of Taysom Hill runs. As far

523
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Speaker 5: as Falcon phantoms go, I swear to God that Taysom

524
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 5: Hill quarterback power run is like one of the most

525
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,719
Speaker 5: unstoppable plays in football. Like when the goal line they

526
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 5: can run it on first down in short yardage. Unfortunately,

527
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 5: you know that's not a play you can run every

528
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 5: single down. But as as a nice little change up,

529
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Speaker 5: it's it's become kind of a crutch for their offense

530
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Speaker 5: at times.

531
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Speaker 6: And maybe he was worth that that contract at the game.

532
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Speaker 3: I don't think turning into like a decent tight end.

533
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Speaker 4: He went four for fifty tonight, Like you see him

534
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 4: out there actually running some real routes because yeah, yeah,

535
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 4: I'm watching the next Gen stats feed and like he's

536
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 4: lined up as a wide receiver. I don't know how

537
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 4: many snaps just seem like quite a bit of snaps.

538
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 4: It's kind of crazy, but it just goes to show

539
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 4: like that they're a wild They're a wild organization. I

540
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 4: love having them in the NFL because there's no other

541
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 4: team that's trading multiple first round picks and trading up

542
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Speaker 4: for Trevor Penny and trading multiple first on picks for

543
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 4: Chris o Lobby. They just do whatever the hell they want.

544
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 4: Give this contract to taysoon Mill.

545
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 3: They don't care.

546
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 6: It's fun.

547
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 5: It's definitely fun to watch because I'd respected to a

548
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 5: degree just the never tank philosophy.

549
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Speaker 6: Yeah, we're not bottoming out. We're going for it.

550
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 5: But it's just starting to deteriorate, and I think this

551
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 5: year is really one of the heaviest times you can see,

552
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 5: oh wow, this is kind of going to be a

553
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 5: multi year rebuild for them to get back to where

554
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 5: they want to be.

555
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 4: But like your Falcons and like the Bucks, this division

556
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 4: is is pretty pretty lousy. So everyone's got hope, and

557
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 4: so the Saints still have hope at three and four,

558
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 4: but I'm kind of glad they're three and four because

559
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 4: they deserve to be three and four.

560
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 3: They don't deserve to be four and three.

561
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Speaker 4: Let's finish by talking some positive about the Jaguars, maybe

562
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 4: where we see them going from here. I've been really

563
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 4: impressed this year with Foye Olukon. He's the one who

564
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 4: got the pick six here. And Darius Williams, who really

565
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 4: struggled last year on the outside. He came over from

566
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 4: the Rams winning the Super Bowl there where he was

567
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 4: a great story, really struggled a year ago and this

568
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 4: year has been making a lot of good plays on

569
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 4: the football and I believe he's the one that tipped

570
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 4: up that pass that ended up being taken back in

571
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 4: by a LUA Kan and I'm just seeing a lot

572
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Speaker 4: of players that are a little more comfortable in this

573
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 4: Mike Caldwell scheme in their second year, and they came

574
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Speaker 4: into tonight leading the league in turnovers. They forced one tonight,

575
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 4: they were without their best cornerback. Still look pretty good

576
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 4: out there for the most part. Just tell me what

577
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 4: you see in kind of what stands out with this

578
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 4: defense this year.

579
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Speaker 5: The run defense is so good, like they just pummel

580
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 5: people up front. I thought one of the most impressive sequences,

581
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 5: the suconsequences that they had was when they got down

582
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 5: to the goal line and they gave up the first down,

583
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 5: and it was like the sixteen play drive where Taysom

584
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,479
Speaker 5: Hills scored on the fourth down, but they stuffed him

585
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 5: on first and goal, second and goal, third and goal

586
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 5: before they gave it up on fourth down.

587
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Speaker 6: That stuff was so impressive to me. I think we just.

588
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 5: Watched how they beat up on the Saints O line

589
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 5: throughout the night. It's like, man, if they can just

590
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 5: get something out of Trayvon Walker, because Josh Allen's here

591
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 5: this year, if they can just get something out of

592
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 5: Trayvon Walker, like that defense could really really ascend because

593
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 5: they have the run defense, Like you said, when Tyson

594
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 5: Campbell gets back, I think that second day is looking

595
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 5: pretty good, especially with the development of Andre Cisco on

596
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 5: the back end. You can just get another pass rusher

597
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 5: to pair at that run defense and the development of

598
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 5: linebackers like that defense is gonna be just a pain

599
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 5: when it gets to the playoffs.

600
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Trayvon Walker does contribute in the running game.

601
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 4: He's a good run defender, and they're tough to push.

602
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 4: They've actually gotten healthier. I think Devon Hamilton was he back,

603
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 4: he's big.

604
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 6: He's coming back. He's a backer, is coming back soon.

605
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, and.

606
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 4: If they're somewhat balanced, they got to get their offense

607
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 4: to improve. But this was one of those games where

608
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 4: it was like they were negative to and turn in

609
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 4: the first half, and they went into halftime up seventeen

610
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 4: six despite the Saints I'm doing I'm counting it now

611
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 4: got seven possessions in the first half and so and

612
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 4: the Jaguars only held them to six, So I look

613
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 4: at that stuff. Then they hold them to a field goal,

614
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 4: then they get the pick six. So at that point

615
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 4: in the game, we're into the fourth quarter. Now the

616
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 4: defense has already been on the field for nine or

617
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 4: ten possessions. They've actually scored more points with that pick

618
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 4: six then they've given up at that point. It's totally

619
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Speaker 4: on the Jaguars offense that the game isn't just over over.

620
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 4: And if the Jaguars offense didn't go three plays, four plays,

621
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 4: then first down and punt and downs and then first

622
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 4: down and punt in the second half, like this score

623
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 4: would have been different and we would have been talking

624
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 4: about the Jaguars, like we wouldn't be looking at a

625
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 4: twenty four spot that New Orleans put up. So it's

626
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 4: one of those things you got to watch the whole

627
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 4: game to get the whole story, because to me, the

628
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 4: Jaguars offense for the most part let them down, you

629
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 4: know after that first quarter surge, and the defense won

630
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 4: them this game.

631
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Speaker 6: Yeah, this was a defensive led performance. For sure.

632
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Speaker 5: I would find this performance a little concerning if I

633
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 5: was a Jaguars fan, because, like, you've made it to

634
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 5: the playoffs, you've had a signature moment by coming back

635
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 5: from the Chargers and even playing well against the Chief

636
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,719
Speaker 5: for the most part in that the visual game, so

637
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 5: now you kind of want a little bit more and

638
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 5: to me, like a performance like that when we're stuck

639
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 5: in park for like two quarters at a time. That's

640
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 5: a little bit every.

641
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 3: Game though this year. That right, I know that was

642
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 3: against the Colts last week.

643
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Speaker 5: Actually, even the Falcons in the second half, they weren't

644
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 5: really moving even.

645
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,959
Speaker 4: The Chiefs game, which they didn't win, but they were

646
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 4: kind of stuck there the whole time.

647
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 3: It's it's been consistent like this. It's a little concern.

648
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 4: But when they got the ball, I gotta say, for

649
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 4: some reason, I just was like, the Saints are gonna

650
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 4: mess this up one way or another. Like even when

651
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 4: it was tied, I was like, I don't know how

652
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 4: the Saints are going to lose, but they're gonna lose it.

653
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 4: And to the Jaguars credit, they get the ball back

654
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 4: after punting it three forty five left after a terrible

655
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 4: punt on the Saints forty six second play of that drive,

656
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 4: Christian Kirk just made Honey Badger look slow. Kind of

657
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 4: hurt my heart because I'm a big Honey Badger fan,

658
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 4: but tough, I've never seen Christian Kirk look so good.

659
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 4: So give them some credit for you know, their best

660
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 4: two players on offense for the most part, is Lawrence

661
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Speaker 4: and etn. But Kirk's probably third right now. And Kirk

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Speaker 4: go win the game.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that was that was like a poor one

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Speaker 5: it was it was one of those moments where so

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Speaker 5: where Christian Kirk you could see the he was accelerating

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Speaker 5: away and Honey Badgers kind of stay at the same speed.

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Speaker 5: And I was like, oh, no, it ain't quite you know,

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Speaker 5: twenty eighteen anymore. But I think I think that's kind

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Speaker 5: of where the Saints are going to exist though, for

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Speaker 5: the next few years. Right now for the Jaguars are though,

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Speaker 5: because it's a young it's a young, good roster. You

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Speaker 3: No, and they'll they'll have decisions to make.

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Speaker 4: Josh Allen is having a crazy good contract year, so

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Speaker 4: they might have to use the tag with him. But

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Speaker 4: Calvin Ridley is a free agent too, so there's a.

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Speaker 3: Lot coming up. But they don't have to worry about

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Speaker 3: that that they got a chance to do things this year.

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Speaker 4: In this AFC. They are the favorites in the a

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Speaker 4: f C South. You're one of my favorites Charles, I

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Speaker 4: appreciate you exemplest.

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Speaker 3: Podcast What's Up? And you're still writing the four verts

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Speaker 3: on Yahoo dot com.

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Speaker 4: You're still doing doing the good thing, one of my

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Speaker 4: favorite columns out there, and writing some other stuff during

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Speaker 4: the week.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm going to uh phillyas week for the Dolphins

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Speaker 5: Eagles game.

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Speaker 6: So oh dang, really excited about.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, root for the Eagles there. I locked

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Speaker 3: them up. We do our locks of the Week every

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Speaker 3: every week. It's a competition.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to take the Jags, I said it, and

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Speaker 4: then Lawrence's injury freaked me out. I didn't want to

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Speaker 4: have to wait until game time, so I got off

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Speaker 4: the Jags. So Egles better come through with me. Who

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Speaker 4: you got in that game? Okay, that's Charles, still still thinking,

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Speaker 4: not just about the Super Bowl, but the following year

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Speaker 4: when I was with you, I was at I was

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Speaker 4: in Philadelphia. For some reason, I liked that Falcons team

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Speaker 4: because I wanted them to get some redemption. I think

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Speaker 4: they had a chance to win the Super Bowl that

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Speaker 4: next year. People don't remember that, And Matt Ryan sailed that, uh.

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Speaker 5: Well you know what we almost had that What you

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Speaker 5: know we almost had that year was Falcon Saints NFC

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Speaker 5: Title game because that was the Stephan Diggs catch last

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Speaker 5: year too. One play away in each game from Falcon

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Speaker 5: Saints NFC Title game, which is basically like World War Three.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Instead, we got Brandon Graham strips up and strip sacking

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Speaker 4: my guy Tom Brady in the Super Bowl Charles great

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Speaker 4: job again. Fun game, Jaguars win it. Thirty one twenty four.

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Speaker 4: We will be back here on Sunday for.

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Speaker 3: The flagship recap show. In the meantime,