1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: to the heart of the issues that matter to you. 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 2: Today. 4 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: I'm joined by Senator ran Paul, the chairman of the 5 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: Senate Homeland Security Committee. 6 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 3: We've got a lot to get into. 7 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: We're gonna have a hard hitting conversation about the failures 8 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: and the corruption inside of our government. Will dive into 9 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: Polisi Gabbard's explosive new report accusing the Obama administration and 10 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: top intel officials of manipulating intelligence on Russia. Does it 11 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 1: amount to treason? That's what she says. Senator ran Paul 12 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: weighs in on that. We'll also talk about his call 13 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: for the Department of Justice to charge Anthony Fauci for 14 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: lying to Congress and whether Biden's parden would hold up 15 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: in court. Plus, his Homeland Security Committee produced a report 16 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: investigating the security failures surrounding Butler, Pennsylvania when President Trump 17 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: was almost assassinated. So what stood out to him the 18 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: most in that report? We'll ask him. Stay tuned for 19 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 1: Senator Rampaul. Chairman Rampaul, it's great to. 20 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 3: Have you on the show, sir. 21 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: Obviously no shortage of things to discuss these days. 22 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 3: A lot happening in the news. 23 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: I wanted to start and get your take on sort 24 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: of the information that the Director of National Intelligence, Tulci 25 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: Gabbard has been releasing, particularly this report highlighting well what 26 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: we already know about the manipulation of the intelligence by 27 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: the Obama administration in regards to Russia. In twenty sixteen, 28 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: she said that it amounts to treason. What do you 29 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: make of what we have seen so far? And is 30 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: it treason? 31 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 4: Well, you know, some of this was reported even back 32 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 4: when it happened. I remember the initial news stories coming 33 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 4: out saying that the Obama administration had information and that 34 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 4: were spreading it. 35 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 2: Throughout the new throughout the different facets of government to 36 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: try to make sure it wasn't lost. 37 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 4: Now, the implication at the time was that it was 38 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 4: actually true information. But it's not a big stretch to 39 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 4: believe that they would change or alter intelligence estimates to. 40 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 2: Try to further their cause. You know. 41 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 4: Molly Hemingway wrote a book Rigged, and in it she 42 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 4: talked about how many Democrats came out in early twenty 43 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 4: seventeen and said the election was stolen, that the election 44 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 4: was rigged, and that it had been stolen by the Russians, 45 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 4: and it was all part of this big scam to 46 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,519 Speaker 4: get Russia, you know, to get their presidential pick. And 47 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 4: so it's pretty easy for me to believe that they 48 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 4: did did do this, and that they would use intelligence. Look, 49 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 4: I think John Brennan is a basically dishonest person, a 50 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 4: person who also abused the power of his office. I 51 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 4: think he also, in all likelihood used foreign intelligence assets 52 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 4: to spy on the Trump campaign. You know, when you 53 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 4: had those random meetings at bars in England where Trump 54 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 4: official campaign officials were sort of being you know, information 55 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,399 Speaker 4: was being gleaned by them by like an Australian ambassador. 56 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 4: I don't think any of that was random. I think 57 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 4: that was directed by John Brennan. I think, you know, 58 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 4: because it's illegal for the CIA to do this on Americans. 59 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 4: I think he employed or encouraged or somehow got foreign 60 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 4: intelligence to do his dirty work for him. But it 61 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 4: was an abusive power and I think John Bennan should 62 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 4: never ever be close to the reigns of power again. 63 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 4: He should have no access to class I've fed information. 64 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 2: He's a danger. 65 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: Well, if memory serves me correct, any spy on members 66 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: of Congress. 67 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 4: Well, there were there were times during some of the 68 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 4: January sixth where they looked like members of the members 69 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 4: of Congress's phones were tapped and looked into. So I 70 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 4: don't put anything beyond him. And I actually remember sitting 71 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 4: in the Oval office in the first Trump administration and 72 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 4: giving the president the advice that he should take their 73 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 4: security clearances from him and Clapper and all these other clowns. 74 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 4: And at the moment Trump's said you're right, he called 75 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 4: somebody in and said take away their security clearance. 76 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: And that's the way it happened in the first administration. 77 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: It was in twenty fourteen Senator Diane Feinstein accused John 78 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: Brennan's CIA of spying on her and spying on Congress 79 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: and getting away with it when they were looking into waterboarding. 80 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 3: That's what it was. 81 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 2: Yep, that was true. That was absolutely true. 82 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 1: So to your point, just to underscore your point, like, 83 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: it's not out of the realm of possibility for him 84 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: to have done what you just laid out, considering his past. 85 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: Do you think there'll be any consequences here, because it 86 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: seems like the intelligence community they were saying one thing 87 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: obviously prior to the election, Prior to this meeting that 88 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: took place on December ninth, twenty sixteen. What all these 89 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: people convened at Obama's White House, including Brennan Clapper, Susan Rice, 90 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: you know, the whole nine yards, Loretta Lynch, all of 91 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: them to discuss Russia. And then it seemed like the 92 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: narrative after that really changed. Do you think there'll be 93 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 1: any consequences for any of this, Well, you know. 94 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 4: As someone who believes that the intelligence agencies have too 95 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:02,239 Speaker 4: much much power, I think one of the consequences should 96 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 4: be reform of these agencies, that we should strip away 97 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 4: power and have more oversight. But you know, I thought 98 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 4: that's what would happen. You know, when the abuses of 99 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 4: Donald Trump first came out, there was a movement. There's 100 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 4: always been libertarians like myself who wanted to reform these agencies, 101 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 4: but there was a stronger movement and we almost got there. 102 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 4: Like on FISA, the PISA system is data that is 103 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 4: collected without a warrant, supposedly for spies and threats to 104 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 4: the national security, but it is part of the information 105 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 4: that's being used for many other nefarious reasons other than 106 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 4: national security. And we got to a tie vote and 107 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 4: it was Mike Johnson, the Speaker of the House, who 108 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 4: killed reform of PISA. So that was really disappointing, and 109 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 4: I hope we could bring it back up again. But 110 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 4: the establishment, you know, the establishment Republicans who love surveillance 111 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 4: and don't seem to have much concern for the individual 112 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 4: killed FISA reform. It's the same with the CIA. We 113 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 4: auto reform them, but they're protected by conservatives. Some of 114 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 4: these conservatives who are these national security conservatives who really 115 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 4: don't care about individual liberty and care more about surveillance. 116 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: You've also called on the Department of Justice to charge 117 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: Anthony Fauci with lyne to Congress also to test the 118 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: President Biden's pardon of Fauci. Obviously, there's a lot of 119 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: questions surrounding the autopen controversy. Did he authorize these pardons? 120 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: You know, was he aware of them or not? We 121 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: had Chairman Comer on the show last week talking about 122 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: the issue. But what did he lie about in you know, 123 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: do you think the pardon of Fauci will hold up 124 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: in court? 125 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 4: We you know, I asked him directly if he funded 126 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 4: gain of function research in China, and he adamantly and 127 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 4: repeatedly and heatedly said that he never ever funded gain 128 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 4: of function research in China. But we have documents from 129 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 4: the company. It was called EcoHealth Alliance. They got NIH 130 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 4: money and then they secondarily granted it to Wuhan. We 131 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 4: have a thank you note from EcoHealth going back to 132 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 4: NIH after their money had been turned back on. 133 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 2: It was paused for a period. 134 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 4: Of time because of gain and function research, and when 135 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 4: it was turned back on, EcoHealth wrote a nice letter 136 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 4: back to Anthony Fauci and said thank you for turning 137 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 4: back on our gain of function research funding. 138 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: So we have that. But we also have other acting heads. 139 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 4: Of the NIH who have admitted that the research was 140 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 4: indeed gain of function, and we've been looking through documents 141 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 4: now at a committee to see if we can find 142 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 4: evidence of them admitting it as well. 143 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 2: But the bottom line is see lied. It's a fairly 144 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 2: simple case. 145 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 4: You can't always get convictions on this, but they did 146 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 4: it several times with Trump administration and Trump friends who 147 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 4: they went after for lying to Congress, So I think 148 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 4: it's an easy one to go after. If the pardon 149 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 4: had been signed by Biden, I would say we'd be 150 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 4: wasting our time because I don't think you can penetrate 151 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 4: through the pardon. 152 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 2: But the fact that the pardon was signed by an auto. 153 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 4: Pen and that the I don't know college intern that 154 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 4: was running the autopen says he got the permission from 155 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 4: Jill Biden's chief of staff doesn't sound like anybody running 156 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 4: the autopen really had a direct line to the president. 157 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 4: So I think there is some doubt whether it's valid, 158 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 4: and only a court could deside. 159 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: Do you think voters still care about you know, as 160 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: we look into the previous administration and Joe Biden's mental decline, 161 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: do you think that resonates with voters. 162 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 2: I'm not sure. 163 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 4: I do think what resonates with voters is a hypocrisy 164 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 4: and things that seem to be unfair, or when the 165 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 4: government uses the law against somebody for personal reasons. So 166 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 4: I think all of the court cases where against Donald Trump, 167 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 4: where they changed the statute of limitations in the court, 168 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 4: that one prosecuting him was a prosecutor ran on a 169 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 4: campaign pledge to get Donald Trump individually as an individual, 170 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 4: and the fact that they strung together misdemeanors to make 171 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 4: them a felony. 172 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 2: People were mad about that. 173 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 4: Part of the election was decided by people mad at 174 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 4: the Biden administration and Democrats using government to go after 175 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 4: an individual. Likewise, I think it's why people are upset 176 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 4: and want more information about the Epstein thing. A woman 177 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 4: goes to jail for twenty years, This other guy, Epstein 178 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 4: was probably going to go to jail for twenty years. 179 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 4: If they're running a sex ring there, you would think 180 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 4: there have to be customers, you know. If there are 181 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 4: no customers, how do you call it some grand conspiracy. 182 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 2: It's just her and Epstein. 183 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 4: Everybody has always implied that this was a ring, this 184 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 4: was sex trafficking for more than one person, and so 185 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 4: people understandably look at it, and they hear all these 186 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 4: names of super wealthy connected people and they're like, well, gosh, 187 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 4: did they get off because they were rich? 188 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: And I think that it resonates. Even though that was like, 189 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 2: who knows, some of. 190 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 4: That's ten twenty years ago, it still resonates in the news. 191 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 2: So I think people do. 192 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 4: Dislike unfairness and they dislike dishonesty, and so I think 193 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 4: the Anthony Fauci thing and the pardon thing will resonate 194 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 4: for some time. We'll see, we'll see, But I think 195 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 4: it's worth, it's worth a challenge. 196 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: You released a extensive report as chairman of the Senate 197 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: Homeland Security Committee about everything that went wrong last year 198 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: in Butler, Pennsylvania, when President Trump was almost assassinated. You 199 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 1: accuse the Secret Service of inexcusable negligence, communication breakdown, systemic weaknesses, 200 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: and limited accountability and preparing the report and in investigation. 201 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: I guess what stood. 202 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 3: Out to the most in all of that. 203 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 4: What stood out most was that in the months leading 204 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 4: up to the rally and Butler, the Trump campaign and 205 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 4: the Trump Secret Service repeatedly requested for additional security. They 206 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 4: repeatedly requested for counter snipers, the people on the roof 207 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 4: that would take out some kind of threat, and they 208 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 4: were denied over and over again. What shocked me most 209 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 4: about that day was that nobody was in charge. No 210 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 4: Secret Service agent would say they were in charge. And 211 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 4: probably what shocked me the most was that the shooter 212 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 4: with a large backpack and a range finder was deemed 213 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 4: to be suspicious at least forty five minutes in advance, 214 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 4: and yet no Secret Service person had the wherewithal to 215 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 4: take the President from the stage even when they couldn't 216 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 4: find him. With about three minutes left, people were shouting 217 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 4: man on a roof. 218 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 2: They still didn't remove the president from the stage. 219 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 4: At some point it's man on a roof with a gun, 220 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 4: and I think they still have a few seconds left, 221 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 4: and still no one gives the order. 222 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 2: To remove him from the stage. 223 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 4: When we were completing our report in the last year, 224 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 4: we didn't want to issue it until we know who 225 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 4: had been punished and how much. Now, we agreed not 226 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 4: to put their names in there, but we wanted somebody 227 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 4: to have gotten punishment for bad behavior here. We wanted 228 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 4: to make sure those people were not in charge again, 229 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 4: because we think they showed enough incompetence that they would 230 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 4: put someone in danger. 231 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 2: The Secret Service refused. 232 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 4: And refused and refused to give us this information until 233 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 4: we finally subpoened it. Then they issued two week suspensions 234 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 4: to a couple of people after we subpoenaed the information. 235 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 4: So really, I think the punishments were inadequate, and I 236 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 4: think there's still a possibility that some of the people 237 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 4: involved in Butler could be in charge of another president 238 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 4: or another presidential campaign security, and I think they showed 239 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 4: by their behavior. 240 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 2: That they're not capable of that job. So I really 241 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 2: think they should not be in that position. 242 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: Again, I hate to ask us, but given all the 243 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: security failures and the breakdowns that you just laid out 244 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: and that you laid out in your report, and then 245 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: you look at sittings like Joe Biden leading up to this, 246 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 1: Trump shall be putting in a bullseye, or you look 247 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: at Democrats on Capitol Hill, including the ranking member of 248 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: the House Homeland Security Committee, Benny Thompson, trying to strip 249 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: you know, Ben, Donald Trump obviously now President Trump of 250 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: his security detail. You know, it begs the question where 251 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: these security lapses intentional? 252 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 4: You know, we saw the accusations of that, We've heard them, 253 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 4: We've tried to look for evidence, but you know, intention 254 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 4: is in the mind of the one making the decisions. 255 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 4: We found nothing in writing to support that. We do 256 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 4: know that it was report that was denied several times, 257 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,199 Speaker 4: and to get this information from the Secret Serf Service 258 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 4: was like, you know, pulling teeth. 259 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 2: They didn't want to give us any information. 260 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 4: So almost everything we got was sort of under duress 261 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 4: as far as you know, the denial of security requests 262 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 4: by the Trump campaign and the Trump Secret Service that 263 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 4: was not willingly given. That took months and months and 264 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 4: months to get that information, and so that makes one 265 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 4: wonder about the motives. I definitely believe in the aftermath 266 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 4: there was a circling the wagon's mentality to try to 267 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 4: obscure their culpability, and you know the mistakes and failures 268 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 4: that almost led to the death of Donald Trump and 269 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 4: did frankly lead to the death of one of his supporters. 270 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: Senator Ran Paul, Chairman of the Homeland Security Committee, You're 271 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: always great. Appreciate your candidness and taking the time to 272 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: be with us for the show. 273 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 3: Thank you, sir, You're welcome. 274 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: That was Senator rand Paul. Appreciate him for taking the 275 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: time to come on the show. Appreciate you guys at 276 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday, but that you 277 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: can listen throughout the week. Also want to make my producer, 278 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: John Cassio, for putting the show together. 279 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 3: Until next time.