Speaker 1: Welcome to desperately devoted Join us as we explore the
Speaker 1: human experience through the lens of the iconic show Desperate Housewives.
Speaker 1: I'm Terry Hatcher, I'm Andrea Bowen, and I'm Emerson Tenny.
Speaker 2: Well, we have something to talk about in episode ten, and.
Speaker 3: It's sex, sex and more sex.
Speaker 2: Some people aren't getting it from where they should be,
Speaker 2: and some people aren't getting it at all. And some
Speaker 2: people could be getting it if they could only figure
Speaker 2: out how to stop getting cock blocked by their ex.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess you're talking about Susan. I say.
Speaker 4: Rex is revealed to be having an S and M affair,
Speaker 4: while the affairs of the Scavo household involve their high
Speaker 4: grade nanny, making Lynette feel inferior and unable to relax
Speaker 4: in her newly acquired free time.
Speaker 2: Susan and Mike's intimate intentions are foiled by Carl and
Speaker 2: Julie and Zach.
Speaker 1: Gabby ways the benefit of money over love and the
Speaker 1: truth and when trust is broken on Wisteria Elane, we
Speaker 1: find that it is a very fragile thing. When it's lost,
Speaker 1: it can be hard to recover.
Speaker 2: We will not break our trust to you because we
Speaker 2: are here for another episode.
Speaker 3: Let's get started, all right.
Speaker 1: Well, hi you guys. Hello, here we are talking about
Speaker 1: season one, episode ten, come Back to Me. This episode title,
Speaker 1: come back to Me, comes from a song from the
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty five musical On a clear Day, you can
Speaker 1: see Forever, I can hear it. Yes, Mazy Gibbons. We
Speaker 1: open the episode on circling back. I feel like I
Speaker 1: had kind of lost sight of her as the pretentious
Speaker 1: mom in the school, and now we find out that
Speaker 1: she's a BDSM escort.
Speaker 4: Okay, So I had a question for you because I
Speaker 4: kind of did remember this storyline I remembered when we.
Speaker 5: Saw Sharon Morris.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what does that say about me?
Speaker 1: You were impressionable?
Speaker 4: Yes, I was very impressionable, But I did rememberer Sharon
Speaker 4: Lawrence's storyline being more than just what it appeared when
Speaker 4: she first showed up on the show a few episodes ago.
Speaker 4: And so, but for you, Emerson, yes, you just probably
Speaker 4: thought she was going to be this high strung PTA
Speaker 4: mom this the whole time if she ever reappeared, and
Speaker 4: she came back in.
Speaker 5: A big way this episode. So did that catch you
Speaker 5: off guard?
Speaker 1: It totally caught me off guard and immediately hooked me.
Speaker 1: And I think honestly speaks to something we've been talking
Speaker 1: about in a lot of themes of this episode, which
Speaker 1: is that there is always more going on behind closed doors.
Speaker 1: There's always another identity behind the mask that we present
Speaker 1: to the world or the forward facing part of ourselves.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I really took the roller coaster ride
Speaker 1: of this because at first I saw it was Mazy Gibbons,
Speaker 1: I go, oh, my god, Mazi Gibbons is an escort,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, she's a BDSM escort, and then Rex
Speaker 1: is her client. Yeah. Ah. In the first couple of minutes.
Speaker 2: Did you guys get the sense that she was just
Speaker 2: doing it for her own sort of power ego, control,
Speaker 2: satisfaction or were they actually paying her?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 5: I think that she was being paid.
Speaker 1: I thought she was being paid. I also felt like
Speaker 1: maybe because she talks about how she her husband maybe
Speaker 1: lost his job and she they had to stop going
Speaker 1: to their country club. So I felt like maybe this
Speaker 1: was something that she picked up partially to make money.
Speaker 2: Money, right, And yeah, I thought that too. But then
Speaker 2: as I thought about it and just kind of sat
Speaker 2: with it, I thought, oh, maybe I had made that assumption,
Speaker 2: but it was she because they do make the point
Speaker 2: of saying that they were having financial trouble and they
Speaker 2: got kicked out of the country club, and right, so
Speaker 2: that's why she decided to start doing this.
Speaker 5: But I think it evolved.
Speaker 4: For her at least, you know, we when character analyzing her.
Speaker 4: I think that you're right that the journey for her
Speaker 4: maybe started with a need to bring in some extra
Speaker 4: money and her creative way of doing that. But then
Speaker 4: I think she gets off on the fact that she's
Speaker 4: holding everyone. See it's as she says, there's like a
Speaker 4: power in it for her that she's keeping all of
Speaker 4: these John's secrets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially the secret Rex feels extra loaded because
Speaker 1: she makes the comment that when she did get kicked
Speaker 1: out of the country club, we realize the woman who
Speaker 1: was condescending and sort of pitying to her was Brie,
Speaker 1: classic Brie. And now this is her idea of revenge
Speaker 1: or a secret of her own.
Speaker 2: Do you guys have feelings about prostitution and its legality
Speaker 2: and you know where it's place in history or whatever.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll just admit that while it seems like,
Speaker 2: oh this is the I admit this is the time
Speaker 2: I tell you that I was a prostitute. No, I
Speaker 2: just that word admit sounded so much stronger than.
Speaker 1: I intended to be.
Speaker 5: This is when I reveal.
Speaker 3: This is when I reveal. But I I it didn't.
Speaker 3: It seemed you don't have.
Speaker 2: This show does a great job at writing this tightrope
Speaker 2: of between like satire and soap and something that feels grounded,
Speaker 2: and I think they usually do it really well, and
Speaker 2: I felt like this is an example of that, and
Speaker 2: it made me, I don't know, feel like not that
Speaker 2: judgmental about her, like that she was providing a service
Speaker 2: that everybody was above board. I mean, you could be
Speaker 2: lying to your spouse, but I mean the people in
Speaker 2: the interaction, and it was servicing a need and it
Speaker 2: was fulfilling what she needed. And I don't know, it
Speaker 2: made me think about an industry that I guess I've
Speaker 2: always thought, you know, well that's not great and that's
Speaker 2: sort of frowned upon. But it made me look at
Speaker 2: it a little differently, well.
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, I do. I think this stood
Speaker 1: out to me as a very I mean, we're thinking
Speaker 1: about the show airing in two thousand and four, stood
Speaker 1: out to me as a very modern take on sex
Speaker 1: work and the legitimacy of sex work. You know, this
Speaker 1: is an industry that I think has had a lot
Speaker 1: of stigma, and of course, in certain scenarios, still does
Speaker 1: exist in a place where women are disempowered. But I
Speaker 1: think in a lot of scenarios, especially when you like
Speaker 1: look at you know, technology today, and I think exists
Speaker 1: in a place where women are really actively choosing something
Speaker 1: that feels empowered.
Speaker 2: What's the site where everybody's making a bazillion dollars? Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess that's the modern day version of this,
Speaker 2: doesn't it.
Speaker 4: I do agree that in this episode we seem to
Speaker 4: be the thing that's incriminating is the fact that she
Speaker 4: is having an affair with Bree's husband. It's not necessarily
Speaker 4: that we're judging her for doing this service or providing
Speaker 4: the service to the people in the neighborhood.
Speaker 5: We as an audience and the writers who wrote it.
Speaker 4: The thing that fuels our fire about having an opinion
Speaker 4: over it is just because she's wronging Brie.
Speaker 1: I don't really have an opinion. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: have any judgment of her. I'm judgmental of Rex. He's
Speaker 1: the one who's married, who's making the choice.
Speaker 2: Like when there's an affair, and the one that's getting
Speaker 2: cheated on seems to classically direct their ire at the
Speaker 2: female instead of the actual husband partner that is doing
Speaker 2: the cheating.
Speaker 3: And I've never understood that.
Speaker 4: I know, Yeah, I know, And I was just going
Speaker 4: to say that I'm infuriated because, as we talked about
Speaker 4: a couple of episodes ago, when Bree so bravely and
Speaker 4: vulnerably goes to Rex and says, I can tell that
Speaker 4: there's something you're not getting, and please give me the
Speaker 4: opportunity to provide that to you, and he doesn't, and
Speaker 4: now we see it playing out like this, and it
Speaker 4: just makes me.
Speaker 5: So mad at me.
Speaker 1: I know, I actually wrote down, Oh my gosh, Rex
Speaker 1: is such a gas lighter when he says, oh, I
Speaker 1: could never tell Brie. I could never tell my wife
Speaker 1: about these things that I want to explore that clearly
Speaker 1: he's exploring with Mazie, and I thought, no, you could.
Speaker 1: She held the door open episodes ago for you to
Speaker 1: tell her if something was missing. She point blank said,
Speaker 1: is something missing? I want to give that to you,
Speaker 1: and he was too much of a coward to reveal
Speaker 1: that part of himself to her, which I do think.
Speaker 1: You know, I think there's a lot of vulnerability in
Speaker 1: admitting a kink or admitting something that you want to explore,
Speaker 1: specifically sexually, because I think it opens the door up
Speaker 1: to be rejected and to be judged in a way
Speaker 1: that there's already so much taboo around sex. To then
Speaker 1: receive that immediate judgment from your partner may make someone
Speaker 1: like Rex just feel like they absolutely couldn't withstand the rejection.
Speaker 4: And to Mazy's credit, she actually very much is sympathetic
Speaker 4: to breathe. I felt right. She talks to Rex and says,
Speaker 4: you should talk to your wife about this.
Speaker 5: You clearly still are in love with her. I thought
Speaker 5: that was really interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah you did too.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, like, I'm not going to
Speaker 2: ask anybody to like divulge their kink.
Speaker 5: Or you have to use your special voice. Oh I
Speaker 5: do have to do.
Speaker 3: So what do you like?
Speaker 5: But I will say.
Speaker 2: About myself, I mean, you know, I haven't been intimate
Speaker 2: in a long time, and you know, of course I've
Speaker 2: done years of therapy to sort of, you know, figure
Speaker 2: out what I could potentially be afraid of. But it's like,
Speaker 2: when there's a story like this, it does make me think, like,
Speaker 2: have I felt safe enough with a partner too? I
Speaker 2: don't know, be able to be honest, Like, is that
Speaker 2: something that people typically feel or I think maybe sadly
Speaker 2: they maybe don't. Right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think in a lot of cases, in a
Speaker 4: lot of relationships, it's still a real thing that people
Speaker 4: aren't entirely open with one another out of fear of
Speaker 4: judgment or just maybe they have a lot of self
Speaker 4: judgment about the things that they're into and they are
Speaker 4: scared to share that with someone else. Society is not
Speaker 4: always on the side of making us all feel included,
Speaker 4: and so I think it's still a problem. But I
Speaker 4: also kind of feel like I'm getting the sense from
Speaker 4: younger generations that it's getting better.
Speaker 1: I have to say, I think a show that just
Speaker 1: recently really handled this idea so well and explored it
Speaker 1: was dying for sex, That TV show with Michelle Willis right.
Speaker 3: I loved that show. They were great, and you're.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, And so many different characters, whether obviously it's
Speaker 1: Michelle Williams herself or character actors like Robbie Hoffman, who
Speaker 1: I adore all of these different actors and characters playing
Speaker 1: out in this show, the idea of the vulnerability it
Speaker 1: takes to really say I want to investigate what turns
Speaker 1: me on and what sex means to me.
Speaker 2: And now that show was That show was actually brilliant
Speaker 2: and I and I loved it, I think specifically for
Speaker 2: me because yeah, I felt like it kind of broadened
Speaker 2: what I could imagine my ability might be if I
Speaker 2: ever got into an intimate, really relationship with somebody again,
Speaker 2: which you know, other than my cat.
Speaker 3: Away moving on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so so also after this discovery of his affair,
Speaker 2: and by the way, did anybody think the stilettos were
Speaker 2: going to go right into his spine when she walks
Speaker 2: on his back?
Speaker 4: I just kept thinking out, yeah, out, well, I think,
Speaker 4: my gosh, that's what he liked.
Speaker 2: Yes, I thought, like, not just the pain, but like
Speaker 2: it to me, it felt like they were going how
Speaker 2: did they not puncture alung?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 5: That's well, but maybe they did.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's true. He did have a heart attack.
Speaker 1: He did have to have surgery, right, they pick up
Speaker 1: that that's where.
Speaker 3: It came from. Okay, So then we go to Gabby.
Speaker 2: And Carlos and all of the ladies supporting him in
Speaker 2: court finding out that he's not going to get bail
Speaker 2: because he doesn't have his passport and.
Speaker 5: He's a light risk, I guess, And I thought, oh.
Speaker 1: My god, who misplaces their passport? Like, that's my worst
Speaker 1: fear that I lose a passport or on a trip,
Speaker 1: that I can't find it in my house. And it
Speaker 1: feels I mean, and I think will ultimately potentially come
Speaker 1: to be revealed, but it feels suspicious that you can't
Speaker 1: find your passport in your own house.
Speaker 2: Right, And in this case, it ends up being hidden
Speaker 2: in a secret panel.
Speaker 5: Yes, so awfully convenient, but he can't find it.
Speaker 2: You have Lynette, who now this is the first episode
Speaker 2: where she scored in the last episode the high Grade Nanny. Yes,
Speaker 2: she's got the new nanny. She's now got some free time.
Speaker 2: I actually kind of remember this. I mean, I just
Speaker 2: remember feeling how difficult it was as a mom to
Speaker 2: take time for myself, even when I had a support
Speaker 2: system in place to allow me to do that.
Speaker 1: Why was that? Did you feel guilty?
Speaker 2: Did you feel guilt? I think it's guilt. I think also,
Speaker 2: I think you get very wrapped up in your identity
Speaker 2: as a mom, so much so that you forget how
Speaker 2: to just be you.
Speaker 3: You forget how to.
Speaker 2: Walk walk out into the world and not be seen
Speaker 2: as a mom carrying a baby, or a mom holding
Speaker 2: the hand of a toddler, or a mom picking up
Speaker 2: goldfish off the ground or a mom wiping you know,
Speaker 2: yogurt off of a off of a shirt like this
Speaker 2: is how you interact with the world and then to
Speaker 2: suddenly go, Okay, I'm gonna go just be myself.
Speaker 5: It's it's just the story.
Speaker 2: It's disorienting and it's unpracticed, and as a mom about
Speaker 2: to be in hindsight, I would encourage young moms to
Speaker 2: not let that happen, you know, to find time to continue,
Speaker 2: even if it's little amounts of time, to continue to
Speaker 2: have a sense of your identity that is separate.
Speaker 4: You know, this is making me think of something so
Speaker 4: interesting and relevant to not only the conversation we're having,
Speaker 4: but also the fact that we are involving this show
Speaker 4: Desperate Housewives, because I recently had dinner with Joy who
Speaker 4: played Marsha's daughter, Yes, who played Danielle, and she is
Speaker 4: a new mom, and we were talking obviously about this
Speaker 4: chapter of my life, in this chapter of her life,
Speaker 4: and she basically said that same thing to me. She said,
Speaker 4: this is not I don't know if you're going to
Speaker 4: hear this advice a lot, and I don't even know
Speaker 4: if it's popular advice. I think she actually said it
Speaker 4: is unpopular advice from her experience, but that she feels
Speaker 4: it's really important to leave early on, like practice leaving
Speaker 4: your baby earlier than you think, earlier than you feel
Speaker 4: ready to, and earlier than maybe someone else should tell you,
Speaker 4: know tells you you should because of that, because of
Speaker 4: the feeling of it's very hard and disorienting to take
Speaker 4: that identity off, even though you never really do.
Speaker 5: But and I appreciated it.
Speaker 4: I actually made a note as well about this particular thing,
Speaker 4: and I said, I so appreciate the writers giving this
Speaker 4: amount of thought to the struggle and often opposing feelings
Speaker 4: that come from being in your house with your children.
Speaker 5: And out of your house without your children.
Speaker 4: It's like Lynette clearly was begging for support and begging
Speaker 4: for the opportunity to have some time to herself, and
Speaker 4: then when she gets it, she's totally paralyzed. She doesn't
Speaker 4: know what to do. So she has that scene with breathe.
Speaker 4: That's really interesting, And yeah, I thought that was cool
Speaker 4: that our writers were giving such a well rounded example
Speaker 4: of the complications of parenting.
Speaker 2: I think sometimes in the pursuit of being like the
Speaker 2: perfect mom, you forget that by demonstrating imperfection, you're actually
Speaker 2: allowing your child to unconsciously understand that they don't have
Speaker 2: to be perfect in this essence of leaving, you know,
Speaker 2: having your child see you take care of yourself is
Speaker 2: unconsciously telling them that they are worthy of taking care
Speaker 2: of themselves. And it's a tricky thing because no mom
Speaker 2: is running around trying to be perfect, giving, giving, given, giving,
Speaker 2: never making any time for herself because she's trying to
Speaker 2: do damage on the kid. But it is kind of
Speaker 2: a byproduct that if they don't see you practice your
Speaker 2: self care, they don't know where to learn that from.
Speaker 1: Right question though, for you and all this fantastic parenting advice, yes, nanny.
Speaker 5: Cam oh, yes or nay?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Well, well yes, so I think I think nanny cam yay.
Speaker 2: And you know I recently because you guys know that
Speaker 2: I take care of my ninety year old parents.
Speaker 1: Yes, I put.
Speaker 2: Nana Cams granted cam grannycams. I put grannycams, and because
Speaker 2: I every night when I get in bed, my house
Speaker 2: is like down the street. But I look at the
Speaker 2: ring camera and I can see what time they went
Speaker 2: to sleep, if they went to sleep. I can see
Speaker 2: if I get like an alert from the alarm company.
Speaker 2: I can see if my parents just forgot and opened
Speaker 2: the door, or if, like God forbid, there was a
Speaker 2: break in.
Speaker 3: But it gives me a lot of peace.
Speaker 2: And it was actually how when my mom was in
Speaker 2: the hospital and I couldn't get a caregiver for my dad,
Speaker 2: who has dementia, and he forgot that he had already
Speaker 2: taken his pills because he has dementia, and he took
Speaker 2: them all a second time. I witnessed that on the
Speaker 2: ring camera and was able to call the doctor and
Speaker 2: make sure that we had the right help in case
Speaker 2: my dad got sick from doubling up on pills.
Speaker 3: And so I love the ring camera.
Speaker 2: Proing, but I think, you know, if you're going to
Speaker 2: have one, I think you have to approach it with
Speaker 2: respecting privacy. Like I'm not trying to invade my parents' privacy.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to give them as much independence as I can,
Speaker 2: but still keep them safe, right, and so that is
Speaker 2: the way in which I use it.
Speaker 4: I think I had the same question. I'm curious to
Speaker 4: hear your thoughts as well, Emerson. I think that when
Speaker 4: it comes to nanny cams, I think that as long
Speaker 4: as you disclose that someone's being recorded inside your home,
Speaker 4: then I guess it's okay. I don't have any I
Speaker 4: don't know if I have plans to have a camera inside,
Speaker 4: you know, that my house when it comes to assistance
Speaker 4: with the baby and things like that. I did find
Speaker 4: the montage where Lynette is holding the little bear that
Speaker 4: she's stashed the camera in, and she's doing all of
Speaker 4: the different ideas, playing all of them out of like
Speaker 4: and loving, a loving nanny rocking the bear, and then
Speaker 4: a crazy nanny like shaking the bear. I thought that
Speaker 4: was a very very very.
Speaker 5: Funny and well done.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think I get uncomfortable with just cameras
Speaker 4: in the world in general these days, Like I buck
Speaker 4: up against the fact that it's kind of impossible to
Speaker 4: walk down the street and not have someone recording something,
Speaker 4: and you just happen to be in the background of
Speaker 4: someone's video and you don't consent to that, and you know,
Speaker 4: or like I am aware of it if I'm doing
Speaker 4: it and there's someone and I'm thinking, well, they're now
Speaker 4: just on my phone and I don't know them, and
Speaker 4: they didn't say that was okay, And that's just kind
Speaker 4: of everywhere. So maybe I take too I give it
Speaker 4: too much thought, and I get too trapped in this
Speaker 4: idea of it's not respectful of someone else's privacy. So
Speaker 4: I think the big thing of disclosing, hey, you're on
Speaker 4: candid camera.
Speaker 3: I we never had one like with for you, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I never had one.
Speaker 5: Are you pro nannycam or anti nannycam or somewhere in between.
Speaker 1: I think I fall on your side, Andrew. I know
Speaker 1: that I didn't grow up with a nanny cam. I
Speaker 1: do feel weird about invading someone else's privacy, but I
Speaker 1: also like when it comes to my future children and
Speaker 1: knowing what is going on with them. I think disclosing
Speaker 1: you know, just you know, we have cameras in our
Speaker 1: house and working here means that you may be filmed
Speaker 1: while you're here. I think that is feels like the
Speaker 1: best of both worlds, where you are able to monitor things.
Speaker 1: Maybe you also have a sense of like if you
Speaker 1: were the nanny, you have a sense of self censorship
Speaker 1: if you think that you're being viewed. I mean, I
Speaker 1: hope you wouldn't do anything even if you weren't being watched.
Speaker 1: But sometimes that does, you know, make people think twice
Speaker 1: about their response or behavior to things.
Speaker 4: Speaking of wanting to know what's going on with your
Speaker 4: kid in the house, then that kind of leads us
Speaker 4: into Susan and Julie.
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, which I have to say the takeout scene
Speaker 1: with Mike and Susan and Julie. At first, I'm just
Speaker 1: it's everything that I've wanted for Mike and Susan. They're
Speaker 1: so cute. I know, they're such a cute couple. They're
Speaker 1: eating out of each other's takeout boxes. I don't know why,
Speaker 1: like Chinese takeout box are so romantic to me. Oh,
Speaker 1: there's just this whimsy and this kind of feeling of
Speaker 1: you could have just moved into a place with your partner.
Speaker 5: Because we always see it.
Speaker 4: It's in like every movie and TV show and people
Speaker 4: are having their first night in their new place, or
Speaker 4: they're staying up late in the office and romantic sparks
Speaker 4: are flying. It's always over Chinese takeout, and they're always
Speaker 4: using chopsticks to like, oh, I'm just gonna pluck this out,
Speaker 4: and you know I'm gonna feed you. Now.
Speaker 5: It's like messaging we have received. So now we are like, yep,
Speaker 5: those are romance.
Speaker 1: That's romance, right exactly, Low Maane is romance. And and
Speaker 1: speaking of using your chopsticks, Julie is loading up her plate.
Speaker 1: And I wrote, Okay, now, how could Julie be hiding
Speaker 1: Zach this whole time? I'm shocked. I'm shocked that Susan
Speaker 1: as a mother, never once goes in her daughter's room.
Speaker 1: I'm shocked at the room is big enough that he
Speaker 1: could be hiding in there. How is he using the bathroom?
Speaker 1: I mean obvious some of these questions do get answered
Speaker 1: later in this episode, or you know, he gets exposed.
Speaker 1: But I found this believable and far fetched.
Speaker 3: Yeah, far fetched is the right word. I mean, do
Speaker 3: we have a sense of how long this is?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 5: I also wrote how long has this been going on?
Speaker 2: Because because in other people's time, you know, like in
Speaker 2: other characters in like Carlos being in jail or you know,
Speaker 2: Rex having an affair, like it actually feels like quite
Speaker 2: a bit of time. If you just went and looked
Speaker 2: at the last episode, I think that was when Zach
Speaker 2: broke out, right, like, so it or maybe two episodes ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it maybe hasn't been.
Speaker 2: But it does feel like if Mike and Susan are
Speaker 2: now at the almost I love viewpoint, like and they're
Speaker 2: they're having sex, or they're at least.
Speaker 5: Trying to have sex desperately trying to happen.
Speaker 2: It does feel like it's been more than days. So
Speaker 2: I think that that might be down to that the
Speaker 2: writing is happening in real time that I sought a
Speaker 2: sort of recall.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know.
Speaker 2: That the train comes off the tracks at some point.
Speaker 2: It may not be until season two, but there was
Speaker 2: a point where and we'll have to get Dina in here,
Speaker 2: who was my hairdresser, to talk to.
Speaker 5: Me about it.
Speaker 3: We want to tell her all.
Speaker 2: Things hair on the show, because the hair played a
Speaker 2: big part. But also just like behind the scenes, there
Speaker 2: were times when we would show up at five thirty
Speaker 2: in the morning for hair and makeup, and we would
Speaker 2: be in my trailer and there would be no scene
Speaker 2: written and they would say, so, yeah, if you could
Speaker 2: get ready and then go to set at like six
Speaker 2: thirty and we'd go like, okay, well we could get ready,
Speaker 2: but like, if the scene is I come out of
Speaker 2: the shower in a towel, that's going to dictate one look.
Speaker 2: And if the scene is I'm going to the grocery store,
Speaker 2: that would be a different look like and we don't know.
Speaker 3: So it's hard. We're here, but it's hard for us
Speaker 3: to really get ready.
Speaker 2: And then they would we would go to the set
Speaker 2: to Susan's house and be standing there with a director
Speaker 2: and a crew and no scene, and then eventually a
Speaker 2: scene would come. They would hand it to you. You
Speaker 2: would literally learn it in thirty seconds, try to block
Speaker 2: through something, and then go back and get ready and
Speaker 2: then come back and shoot. And so I know that
Speaker 2: we are and it'll be interesting to see if we
Speaker 2: if we see that in the work, because I do
Speaker 2: think everyone involved in this show is a super high
Speaker 2: level of talent, and it was kind of like, you know,
Speaker 2: people were able to pull it together, but it certainly
Speaker 2: isn't an ideal thing?
Speaker 1: Is this because you were just one episode ahead each
Speaker 1: week that you were filming episodes that then were airing
Speaker 1: one or two weeks out.
Speaker 5: I do think that played a part.
Speaker 2: I think things got really got really cramped up and
Speaker 2: this you know, I don't know that this is completely
Speaker 2: unique to Desperate Housewives. I think it was a pretty
Speaker 2: extreme example like as it went on, but you know,
Speaker 2: like I think Doug was sort of alluding to like
Speaker 2: you didn't know if it was going to be a
Speaker 2: big hit, like he was talking about his contract negotiations
Speaker 2: and like and Mark saying, we don't know if it's
Speaker 2: going to be a hit.
Speaker 3: You know, we don't And so I think.
Speaker 2: When if you don't know, there could be the thing
Speaker 2: of where it just all happened so fast and so
Speaker 2: intensely and so huge with such a big light on
Speaker 2: it that it.
Speaker 1: Just like and that's also live TV. I mean, now
Speaker 1: you look at how a TV show gets developed, and
Speaker 1: there's no way that you're going to start filming until
Speaker 1: almost most of the scripts are done. It's also most
Speaker 1: TV shows are ten episodes for eight episodes, yeah.
Speaker 5: Twenty three.
Speaker 4: I keep getting this image in my head of like
Speaker 4: a roller coaster going up that all the way up
Speaker 4: to the top and then not knowing, like not knowing
Speaker 4: where what's coming on that other edge. It's just like now,
Speaker 4: We've made it here, and now what comes next? Is
Speaker 4: there a track or is there not a track? Is
Speaker 4: there a loop coming up? You know?
Speaker 5: That's kind of how I feel like.
Speaker 2: It's so so I think this Zach thing is definitely
Speaker 2: like a I don't know if you we don't have
Speaker 2: to call it like an error or whatever, but it's
Speaker 2: like a hole that that, like you said, fart, doesn't
Speaker 2: quite make sense.
Speaker 1: Well, So, speaking of Zach, you have Mike and Susan,
Speaker 1: who seemed desperate to have sex again. Susan won't have
Speaker 1: sex in Mike's house because she says, I like to
Speaker 1: have my things around me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's reasonable. I think that's so it's
Speaker 5: annoying too.
Speaker 4: We should point out that the thing that really sends
Speaker 4: them into the whole sex plan kind of off the
Speaker 4: rails is because Carl.
Speaker 5: Damn Carl always Heart the Heart, the Heart.
Speaker 3: Want to come over that weekend.
Speaker 4: So Julie shares that he and Brandy may have broken up,
Speaker 4: which is kind of a big point.
Speaker 5: It's kind of an interesting thing, right.
Speaker 4: Because that's who he left Susan for, and that he's
Speaker 4: he's now he's dealing with that, and so he can't
Speaker 4: take Julie anymore. So now Julie is going to be home,
Speaker 4: and that is spoiling Susan and Mike's sex plans.
Speaker 1: Yes, because Susan does not all want to go over
Speaker 1: to Mike's house and Julie is at home.
Speaker 5: But probably making out upstairs by the way, I herself, So.
Speaker 2: Wait, behind the scenes were Julian and Zach. Was it
Speaker 2: the one kiss and then no more?
Speaker 4: I believe it was probably the one kiss and no
Speaker 4: more at this point. That's what I'm assuming was going on,
Speaker 4: because I think there was just there's Julie is such
Speaker 4: a good girl, even though she's hiding this big secret
Speaker 4: right now, like to her core, I think she was
Speaker 4: probably not prepared to go from one caught off guard
Speaker 4: kiss to like being comfortable with a boy in her
Speaker 4: room just making out. So I think it was probably
Speaker 4: pretty tame up there, just actually sharing Chinese food.
Speaker 1: I agree, And so we have on the other side Susan,
Speaker 1: who's dressed up in super sexy blue lingerie. She's turning
Speaker 1: on music. Mike's gonna come over because Julie's.
Speaker 5: Out, Al Green's come and take me. I thought that
Speaker 5: was a great choice.
Speaker 1: And I think you singing that scene, Ma is so genius,
Speaker 1: and she leaves, and Susan leaves the little note on
Speaker 1: the door that says come on in, and of course
Speaker 1: then she hears poor Zach who's caught in the middle
Speaker 1: trying to sneak out, but she thinks it's Mike coming
Speaker 1: up the hallway. Eventually Mike does come in. Susan has
Speaker 1: this snaff who where she now thinks there's someone breaking in,
Speaker 1: which there kind of is accidentally ends up hitting Mike
Speaker 1: in the.
Speaker 5: Face with a thigh master.
Speaker 3: Do you know what a thigmester is?
Speaker 1: Yes, Suzanne Summer, Oh.
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe I didn't see that weapon of choice and
Speaker 5: understand what it was.
Speaker 1: I understood what it was. I have to say, my
Speaker 1: good friend Violet is actually Suzanne Summer's granddaughter. Oh so
Speaker 1: I a little inside knowledge to knowing who created the
Speaker 1: thigh master. Okay, hits Mike in the face with the
Speaker 1: thigh master, which is so funny, and then of course
Speaker 1: they both look up to see Zach. Do you remember mom,
Speaker 1: what shooting that scene was like? It's such good again
Speaker 1: physical comedy.
Speaker 2: It's that kind of memory. And you're talking about the
Speaker 2: lingerie and the and the singing and the roses and yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's loose sometimes memories for me, I don't know
Speaker 2: if you guys feel this way, like they go right
Speaker 2: into like good or bad, like you have no specificity.
Speaker 2: But like so if you see somebody you haven't seen
Speaker 2: in a really long time and you don't remember their
Speaker 2: name and you don't really remember how you met them,
Speaker 2: but you know that you've had an interaction and and
Speaker 2: you're and I will get this thing of like I
Speaker 2: know this is good, like whatever I had with this
Speaker 2: person which I can't remember, is good. Or I'll feel like,
Speaker 2: oh this was not good, like whatever this was awkward.
Speaker 2: So I'm having a lot of good feelings about it.
Speaker 2: I feel like, again, these kinds of scenes are for
Speaker 2: me in the show were very discovered and choreographed, and
Speaker 2: that work was done with either the steady cam or
Speaker 2: the or like a camera on a dolly. And I
Speaker 2: remember probably being very you know, I'm pretty shy when
Speaker 2: it comes like I've never walked around. I wish actually
Speaker 2: my whole life that I'd walked around with more confidence
Speaker 2: in my body, Like I never was the person that.
Speaker 1: Was just like I have a killer body, which is crazy,
Speaker 1: but I I.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm well, thanks, I guess, And it was a
Speaker 2: waste of time for sure, because the point is it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter if if anybody else thinks you have a
Speaker 2: killer body or not. You should feel that you have
Speaker 2: one because it's yours and it can do magical things
Speaker 2: and it's awesome. But I never really felt that way
Speaker 2: about myself, So I'm sure that I was quite self
Speaker 2: conscious and making sure that I was, like, probably I
Speaker 2: didn't eat the day before or something.
Speaker 5: You know, she's like when they call cut, she's using
Speaker 5: the time ass.
Speaker 2: But all of I agree with you that I loved
Speaker 2: the work that I did. I the choice to sing,
Speaker 2: I'm sure that was mine. It's so playful, It's really playful.
Speaker 2: It fell it felt truthful, like it felt like private,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It felt like how you
Speaker 2: would maybe behave when you thought you were alone and
Speaker 2: excited about something.
Speaker 1: I've had that I've had, the like dance around my
Speaker 1: kitchen excited to go on a date, singing to myself.
Speaker 5: I totally have done that kind of giddy internal moment.
Speaker 3: It's a beautiful moment, and it is.
Speaker 4: So funny when Mike comes around the corner, thinking I mean,
Speaker 4: you've set the groundwork for him to assume he's walking
Speaker 4: in for sex. Yes, probably, just so excited. And then
Speaker 4: he rounds the corner and gets smacked upside the head.
Speaker 4: I mean, wow, talk about mixed signals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean just to follow this storyline through
Speaker 1: a little bit. Then we have, of course, things are foiled.
Speaker 1: We discover that Julie in fact has been hiding Zach,
Speaker 1: and we have this conversation between Julie and Susan, which
Speaker 1: I really thought this scene was so interesting because Julie
Speaker 1: is sitting downstairs and Susan comes downstairs in her pajamas,
Speaker 1: and Julie is upset at Susan. And as a writer,
Speaker 1: I was looking at how the scene not just was
Speaker 1: written but was also directed, and all of the elements
Speaker 1: of how it was directed, the wardrobe, the set design,
Speaker 1: the postures that both of you take, and I thought
Speaker 1: it so beautifully illustrated the inversion of roles between Susan
Speaker 1: and Julie, because we have Julie sitting in an armchair
Speaker 1: that kind of looks like a place an adult parent
Speaker 1: would be sitting reading a book, which feels like very
Speaker 1: adult action, and we have Susan sort of trepidaciously creeping
Speaker 1: down the stairs, almost like she is the teenager getting
Speaker 1: caught by her mom. And even in the wardrobe, I
Speaker 1: think Susan looks like a teenager in this scene. She
Speaker 1: has this which is so wide twok, this short sleeve
Speaker 1: shirt with a long sleeve striped shirt underneath it, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I feel like I wore that when I
Speaker 1: was twelve or thirteen. And then Julie is kind of
Speaker 1: in like a cardigany sweater, and I just thought, wow,
Speaker 1: the dynamic of feeling like Julie is the mom and
Speaker 1: Susan is the teenager, which is then sort of the
Speaker 1: content of the scene too, is it's what Julie says
Speaker 1: and is almost scolding Susan for doing what I think
Speaker 1: any parent would do, which to say, you can't hide
Speaker 1: your friend in your room.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she goes back and she talks about, you know,
Speaker 2: how bad I was when the divorce happened, and how
Speaker 2: absent I was as a mother with this example and
Speaker 2: that example, and yeah, I'm this is another way, so
Speaker 2: Susan can't cook, and Susan was not as good of a.
Speaker 3: Mother as well.
Speaker 1: I just I mean, and I think it's really smart
Speaker 1: how this whole scene was pieced together to not just
Speaker 1: in the dialogue, but in every bit of action really
Speaker 1: reflect this strange inverted dynamic between I reallylie.
Speaker 4: I love that you were able to view it from
Speaker 4: all those different angles, and that for you, all of
Speaker 4: those different components really made it ring true and feel
Speaker 4: very grounded. I think that this narrative for Susan and
Speaker 4: Julie kind of continues if I remember throughout the show
Speaker 4: a bit with this idea of obviously we've talked about
Speaker 4: the dynamic between them being often more like peers or
Speaker 4: friends than it is parent child or mother daughter. And
Speaker 4: I do think it's fair what Julie says. I think
Speaker 4: it's fair for her to say, Hey, you are now
Speaker 4: taking this parental role and this moral high ground here,
Speaker 4: but I don't feel comfortable listening to you right now
Speaker 4: because it doesn't feel like that is a role you've
Speaker 4: often occupied, is certainly recently and I but to Susan's
Speaker 4: credit in this particular episode, she doesn't just get defensive
Speaker 4: and say, well, you're wrong, and I'm your mom and
Speaker 4: I made the decision and that's the law. She does
Speaker 4: reflect because we see her later go to Mike and say,
Speaker 4: she's kind of right. I leaned pretty heavily on her,
Speaker 4: and it's because she's the person who's around and sharing
Speaker 4: my space and I needed someone and you know. So
Speaker 4: it's not like I think that they're the dynamic we
Speaker 4: have notes on in the sense of for her how
Speaker 4: she could be a better mother.
Speaker 5: But I think that it also has.
Speaker 4: So informed how strong their bond is, that they did
Speaker 4: have that kind of level of openness, and that Julie
Speaker 4: obviously kind of likes taking care of Susan in a
Speaker 4: way too. It gives her a sense of purpose and identity.
Speaker 4: So I'm excited to see obviously where their relationship continues
Speaker 4: to grow and unfold.
Speaker 5: But I thought it was kind of a I.
Speaker 2: Think it's, you know, you're giving all of these families
Speaker 2: on with Seria Lane a problem, you know, and I
Speaker 2: think Susan, other than like she has no love life,
Speaker 2: you know, is the it's the least problematic, do you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? And so I think it's actually
Speaker 2: a good flaw for Susan. I think it's a reasonable
Speaker 2: flaw that she leans too heavily into her daughter as
Speaker 2: a friend and a support system and that's not a
Speaker 2: great conscious choice for a parent to make of their child,
Speaker 2: at least in my judgment. But you don't want your
Speaker 2: characters to be perfect. You want them to be flawed.
Speaker 2: You want them to be able to grow. So, I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't remember where this goes. It's not entirely with
Speaker 2: confidence that I believe that the payoff is going to
Speaker 2: be correct, but I'm willing to watch.
Speaker 1: Obviously, we have so many flawed characters. And speaking of
Speaker 1: flawed characters, I think we have to give a little
Speaker 1: time to talk about Gabby and Carlos's relationship. You know,
Speaker 1: we have Carlos is now in jail and Gabby is
Speaker 1: looking for the passport while the government starts seizing Carlos's assets,
Speaker 1: and I love I think. I don't know if this
Speaker 1: is my favorite line award, but it's my favorite line
Speaker 1: mixed with the direction. Okay, when Gabby says, people don't
Speaker 1: just become poor overnight, and then we hardcut to the
Speaker 1: tow truck outside of their house, loading on her sports
Speaker 1: car onto the tow truck, and she runs out and
Speaker 1: she's so proud that she yells after the tow truck
Speaker 1: as it's going away, and the neighbors across the street
Speaker 1: are kind of watching. She goes, you call that a
Speaker 1: paint job, don't bring it back and tell it's perfect.
Speaker 1: And it's this sad attempt to kind of hold on
Speaker 1: to the lifestyle that is starting to crumble around her
Speaker 1: that she's really not in control of. And I think
Speaker 1: this leads her to really try to hold onto her
Speaker 1: lifestyle by taking everything in the house.
Speaker 3: That's the funny scene.
Speaker 1: It is such a funny scene that they could possibly seize,
Speaker 1: including the pop art photos of her selle of them,
Speaker 1: all three of them. I'm like, I don't know that
Speaker 1: they're going to take those and wheeling it across the streets.
Speaker 5: That is what I gave my most desperate moment for
Speaker 5: this episode.
Speaker 3: She couched down the street.
Speaker 4: The wheeling the furniture cart piled high with all the things,
Speaker 4: shoving it down the street over to Breeze Girl.
Speaker 2: Eyes wondering how she did that, Like what, like if
Speaker 2: there was wires or something out of frame on the
Speaker 2: other side, like helping her pull it. It seemed like
Speaker 2: a lot for her to push by herself, didn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I feel like.
Speaker 2: I kind of was also concerned that it was all
Speaker 2: going to fall all over the place, but I mean
Speaker 2: it didn't. So it must have been positioned well to
Speaker 2: be able to shoot that over and over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or glued on there somehow, I mean. And I
Speaker 1: have to say they are really good, the writers about
Speaker 1: giving Eva and Gabby this again. It reminds me of
Speaker 1: when she's mowing the lawn in her ball gown. You know,
Speaker 1: she's always in these fabulous heels and this little outfit,
Speaker 1: and now she's pushing like a couch and a dining
Speaker 1: table and all the chairs and all this art down
Speaker 1: the street.
Speaker 4: And I think it's made funnier by the fact that
Speaker 4: she's so tiny, you know, she's such a teeny tiny person,
Speaker 4: and so she's so dwarfed by these things that it's
Speaker 4: just funny. It sets us up to find that very funny.
Speaker 1: I mean, and we Brie, who has enough issues of
Speaker 1: her own, because she has just found out that her
Speaker 1: husband is cheating on her and that he's had a
Speaker 1: heart attack and now he's in the hospital, and when
Speaker 1: she goes to meet him, she sees the person who
Speaker 1: signed him in is Mazy Gibbons.
Speaker 5: Yeah, can you imagine.
Speaker 4: I mean, also, I want to go back to the
Speaker 4: very beginning of this episode, because that's where my favorite
Speaker 4: line from the episode comes from, which is in the
Speaker 4: very beginning, Brion rex Are. They have a scene at
Speaker 4: home and Brie asks him, were you with a woman?
Speaker 4: She because she smells his jacket. Yeah, and she says,
Speaker 4: were you with a woman? And then they have this
Speaker 4: moment where she's sort of realizing that yes, he is
Speaker 4: maybe seeing other women, and she gets incensed that he's
Speaker 4: bringing that kind of energy into their house and all
Speaker 4: these things, and she yells out Andrew Danielle, Daddy's gonna
Speaker 4: fordicate for us, And yeah, that was my favorite line
Speaker 4: of this episode. It was just it was just so great.
Speaker 2: Mine was actually when she is finally in his hospital
Speaker 2: room and you know, she's like committed to helping nursing
Speaker 2: him back to health, but only because she goes over
Speaker 2: and tells him that she is literally getting the best
Speaker 2: lawyer and she's going to take everything from him and
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. And then she says, I'm so
Speaker 2: glad you didn't die before I got a chance to
Speaker 2: tell you that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker 1: At the end of this episode, Bree goes evil and
Speaker 1: I have to say. Gabby also goes a little evil.
Speaker 1: You know. We have Carlos tell her about the hidden
Speaker 1: panel in the back of the closet where he's keeping
Speaker 1: his passport.
Speaker 3: Tell her what pas.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that was amazing me too.
Speaker 3: I love that scene.
Speaker 2: So we've got Gabby and Carlos in the in this
Speaker 2: sort of room where you can go in a jail
Speaker 2: where you can talk to, you know, somebody from the outside,
Speaker 2: and they're not allowed to touch, but somehow they're allowed
Speaker 2: to lean in and kiss.
Speaker 1: Well, they have to keep their hands on the table
Speaker 1: to keep their.
Speaker 2: Hands on the table, and so when they lean in
Speaker 2: to kiss, Carlos gives her all the secret information that
Speaker 2: she needs.
Speaker 3: And I just I thought that scene was incredible and.
Speaker 1: I thought it was such an interesting turn for Gabby
Speaker 1: because Gabby actually feels very repentant over her affair with John.
Speaker 1: She seems like she's actually really missing Carlos's presence in
Speaker 1: the house. And when they first kiss, it's so genuine
Speaker 1: on her end. It feels like she really has missed him.
Speaker 1: And then he whispers in her ear and you watch her,
Speaker 1: I mean, Eva does this really well? You watch her
Speaker 1: turn and go, oh my god, you're not leaning in
Speaker 1: to genuinely kiss me, you're leaning in to ask me
Speaker 1: to cover up for you.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and also, you're not a good guy. You're
Speaker 2: not a good guy who got taken by Tanaka your boss.
Speaker 3: You're actually the bad guy.
Speaker 4: You're part of the problem. And it's after he gives
Speaker 4: her the compliment. It's after the kiss. Comes from the
Speaker 4: fact that he says, I didn't know how you would
Speaker 4: handle something like this. I didn't know what you were capable,
Speaker 4: essentially of. And I'm amazed by how strong you are.
Speaker 4: And you are a good wife. And of course, all
Speaker 4: the way up until this point, she's been thinking she's
Speaker 4: a terrible wife because she's having this affair with you
Speaker 4: know whatever. But he says that, and then they have
Speaker 4: she says, I'm going to kiss my husband, and so
Speaker 4: she thinks it's this tender, romantic moment to your point, Emerson,
Speaker 4: and then he reveals that he's been He's in on it.
Speaker 5: He's in on it, and she's like what.
Speaker 1: And she one ups him. She goes and she gets
Speaker 1: the papers in the passport, but then she doesn't burn
Speaker 1: the papers. She burns the passport and I'm really left
Speaker 1: wondering what does this mean for her intentions about the
Speaker 1: future of their marriage.
Speaker 2: Well, we're to find out when she gets you know,
Speaker 2: when it gets real with where money ends up in
Speaker 2: her life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or the lack thereof.
Speaker 1: And well, speaking of finding things out, we jumping back
Speaker 1: to Lynette. She has installed the nanny cam. Yes, and
Speaker 1: she watches the best montage. When she gets in bed
Speaker 1: with popcorn, she plugs it in and she watches Claire
Speaker 1: the Nanny be Super Nanny so so so well, no, well.
Speaker 3: First she watched at first.
Speaker 2: Okay, so at first she watches this nanny be Super
Speaker 2: Nanny and she's die is so threatening and so you
Speaker 2: know she you can just see her like I've lost
Speaker 2: my place, I've lost my specialness. I don't matter and
Speaker 2: I love this scene so much. So she decides I'm
Speaker 2: gonna throw this nanny under the bus, and she gives
Speaker 2: the nanny the task of getting her kids to eat
Speaker 2: Brussels sprouts.
Speaker 1: Which we've set up at the beginning. They hate eating
Speaker 1: because we've seen her not be able to get them
Speaker 1: even when she does the cheese trick.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, and so there and they're by the way,
Speaker 2: they're frozen Brussels sprouts, which I don't know who would
Speaker 2: eat frozen Brussels scouts, But she's trying to get her
Speaker 2: kids seed.
Speaker 3: So that actually brings me to the food that I
Speaker 3: brought in for this episode.
Speaker 2: I made so at Thanksgiving, I make a really lovely
Speaker 2: roasted Brussels sprouts with dates and pumpkin seeds and a
Speaker 2: balsamic and olive oil sort of situation. And so I
Speaker 2: brought those in and we'll have that recipe up online
Speaker 2: and it'll be in time for the holidays, which is
Speaker 2: when everybody should be eating Brussels sprouts, which are such
Speaker 2: a good food for you, and they're so delicious.
Speaker 5: I am unlike the Scavo boys.
Speaker 4: I love Brussels sprouts, and I think obviously they've had
Speaker 4: a very big resurgence and rebranding. I mean, Brussels sprouts
Speaker 4: used to be hated by everyone universally, and now they're
Speaker 4: on like every gastropub menu, every fancy restaurant, every everything
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 5: So and I'm sure yours are going to be phenomenal.
Speaker 2: But so when she does finally get in bed at
Speaker 2: the end of the episode, and she's like ready to
Speaker 2: review the camera and she sees the nanny having just
Speaker 2: as much trouble, if not more, than she did trying
Speaker 2: to get the boys to eat Brussels sprouts. She's gleefully
Speaker 2: happy and popping down her popcorn and serving up the
Speaker 2: best movie that she can imagine.
Speaker 1: I know, and I mean I feel for her. I
Speaker 1: really understand because I feel for her. In the scene
Speaker 1: before she says, Okay, this is how I'm gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: bring Claire the super Nanny back to Earth. You know,
Speaker 1: who can make balloon animals and have triloquist dummies. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna task her with Brussels sprouts. But I love that
Speaker 1: before she decides to do that, she tries to spend
Speaker 1: the day with her kids and read to them from
Speaker 1: the book. And she starts to read and they go, well,
Speaker 1: Claire does funny voices, and she goes, oh, okay, and
Speaker 1: so then she does a funny voice, and Felicity does
Speaker 1: this so well, she does a funny voice, and they go,
Speaker 1: that's not a funny voice. And she goes, and this
Speaker 1: is my favorite line of the episode. I'm just getting
Speaker 1: warmed up.
Speaker 4: Well, kids are the toughest critics, aren't they. I mean,
Speaker 4: I feel like they can just cut you down to
Speaker 4: size so quickly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and so she I like that. Lynette gets
Speaker 1: the moment of seeing that everyone is just a human
Speaker 1: being like herself, even Claire couldn't get them to eat
Speaker 1: the Brussels sprouts.
Speaker 2: And then we sort of end on as Zach finally
Speaker 2: gets brought home after he gets discovered in the Julie bedroom,
Speaker 2: where we don't know where he was fitting under the
Speaker 2: bed or in the closet, but he gets discovered and
Speaker 2: Mike decides with Susan that the best move is to
Speaker 2: take him home, take him across the street.
Speaker 1: I like Mike stepping up in this moment. I feel
Speaker 1: like I was like, oh, thank god, Susan finally has
Speaker 1: another adult who's not Julie, who's gonna kind of have
Speaker 1: her back.
Speaker 2: And he does say that to her when she's admitting,
Speaker 2: when Susan is admitting that she, you know, probably did
Speaker 2: lean too hard on Julie and she didn't have anybody else,
Speaker 2: and he says, well, now you have me, yea, which
Speaker 2: is really lovely.
Speaker 5: It is so lovely. It fuels their connection, which is
Speaker 5: really nice.
Speaker 1: And he really steps up for Zach too, you know,
Speaker 1: he says, yes, I'm bringing you back to your dad,
Speaker 1: but also call me. You know, here's my number. I'm
Speaker 1: here for you anytime. And of course, yeah, then we
Speaker 1: get Zach and Paul having the strangest dinner. At first,
Speaker 1: I kind of felt for Paul because he seemed so
Speaker 1: genuinely sad and happy to have his son back, and
Speaker 1: then he starts force feeding him potatoes.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: How many times does he ask movie wants potatoes in
Speaker 5: that scene?
Speaker 1: Three?
Speaker 5: Yeah, we have this weird scene with.
Speaker 4: Paul and Zach, and their dynamic continues to feel off
Speaker 4: putting and uncomfortable, and because we know, obviously as an
Speaker 4: audience as well, that Paul is still trying to hide
Speaker 4: the fact that Missus Hooper is missing, and Edie in
Speaker 4: this episode kind of gets pushed to the point where
Speaker 4: she's gonna involve the police, and we have this final
Speaker 4: shot of Edie standing outside of Missus Hooper's house and
Speaker 4: the police knocking on her door. So we can only
Speaker 4: imagine where that's gonna go.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, it's a it's a big, juicy episode,
Speaker 1: like they all are.
Speaker 2: I almost made potatoes, by the way, it was. It
Speaker 2: was a tough call between mashed potatoes and the Brussels sprouts,
Speaker 2: but I went with Brussels sprouts.
Speaker 5: I'm glad you went with brussel sprouts. Okay, I love that.
Speaker 3: Well, that was another great episode.
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