1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, production of My 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hello, and welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind. 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: Listener mail. My name is Joe McCormick. My regular co 4 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: host Robert Lamb is not with us today. He's in 5 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: He's on vacation the day we're recording this, so instead 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: I am being joined by our regular producer, Seth Nicholas Johnson. 7 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: How you doing, Seth doing wonderfully? It is the fall, 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: the best time of year for us as creepy people, 9 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: but in particular for this podcast. Get to play all 10 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: the fun creepy stuff. That's right. So yeah, we're doing 11 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: horror movies all month on Weird House Cinema. We're talking 12 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: about weird topics as we usually do on on our 13 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: regular core episodes on Tuesdays and Thursdays all month. But Seth, 14 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: since you're I mean, we all love music here, but 15 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: you especially are a music guy, I figured it would 16 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: be a good way to kick off today's episode to 17 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: ask you what you are are spending on the record 18 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: player this month? What? What is? What are some of 19 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: your favorite seasonal Halloween themed albums? I mean, it's it's 20 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: it's a it's a rocky road because a lot of 21 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: it is geared towards children. There are a lot of 22 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: like novelty children's Halloween albums, and most of them are 23 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 1: actually not very good, you know, like it's it's kind 24 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: of a garbage pile more or less. Like if you 25 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: ever actually take the time to listen to the actual 26 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: Monster Mash album by Bobby Boris Pickett, it's not a 27 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: very good album. You could, of course, the Monster Mashes Beloved. 28 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: We all love that song. The album not so much, 29 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: you know, it's what what are the b sides on 30 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: the Monster Mash? Oh my gosh, they all monster themed. 31 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: Not only are they monster themed, but they are like 32 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: woefully uninformed about what a monster even is. Like it 33 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: starts talking about like the details of like Frankenstein's Monster 34 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: or the Wolfman, and like the little you know, the 35 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: little the little things that we all know as monster 36 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: aficionados are all just false, like like what their weaknesses are, 37 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: what their strengths are, who they are as human beings? 38 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: Is doc or Jekyla and Mr Hyde actually the Wolfman? 39 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: Like they just don't actually clearly. Bobby bores Picket had 40 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: a hit with The Monster Mash and then just filled 41 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: in the rest of the album with a bunch of 42 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 1: garbage they made up like in a week. So it's 43 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: that kind of things. So so there's a lot of 44 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff out there, but there's some great 45 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: stuff too, both both like fun, nostalgic and modern day. Um, 46 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: I'll give you one of each, Okay, because this month, 47 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: if the listener doesn't know, I, I host a music 48 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: podcast in my spare time called Rusty Needles Record Club. 49 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: Look it up wherever you find uh, you know your podcasts. 50 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: But this month, of course, October, we're doing what all 51 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: great spooky people do. We're doing four spooky albums throughout 52 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: the month of October's were a weekly podcast. So the 53 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: best Halloween album of all time. It's a bit contentious 54 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: because there are multiple versions of it, but any version 55 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: you find will be a pretty good version. It's called 56 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: Forgotten Freakouts, Lost Halloween Hits nineteen fifty four through nineteen 57 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: seventy seven. Okay, I love it already. It's so good. 58 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: Everything is like a real like Dr Demento, like surf 59 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: rock nostalgia hits. Everything is like a parody. Everything is like, um, 60 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: it's it's a novelty. Everything is a novelty song, but 61 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: it all has that kind of like integrity of just 62 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: something that's lasted throughout the years. A lot of surf 63 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: rocky stuff, a lot of like a lot of kitch, 64 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 1: A lot of kitch. That's the best one by Fall 65 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: I see hold on now I see tracks by Lee Christofferson. 66 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: Is that brother of Chris or no relation? Do you 67 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: have to tell you? I couldn't tell you. Okay, what 68 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: about secondly? There's a secondly? What about Lee, the Big Masher? 69 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: Lily Like? Aren't these names amazing? I would say, uh, 70 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: nearly every single one of these artists. I have no 71 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: idea who they are. Nearly every single one of them 72 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: must be just a forgotten one hit. Wonder if these 73 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: were even hits. I can't even begin to tell you. 74 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: But they're here. They're here in their grays. Is the 75 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: Big Masher a play on the Big Bopper? I'm sure 76 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: right it had to have been. It had been like 77 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: a joke or something. So it's like a hello baby baby, 78 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: but the call is coming from Dracula rights right, yeah, 79 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: done with the bell of the ghostie voice. That's fun. Okay, 80 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: I gotta listen to this one as soon as we 81 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: finished recording here. It's a good one. And now now, yeah, 82 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: keep an eye out for it because I know, like, 83 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: for example, the version on Spotify is missing a lot 84 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 1: of tracks, and then like the version I got I 85 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: got off band Camp years ago, I know there are 86 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: physical cassettes of this. Just keep your eye out. It's 87 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: the best compilation of come across. Do your best to 88 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: find the full version. Listening audience, Okay, now let's bring 89 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: this modern modern. Have you ever heard of a band 90 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: called the Marshmallow Ghosts. No, I haven't. The Marshmallow Ghosts 91 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: is so so good. What it is so Actually, this 92 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: is somewhat local to you, Joe. You live in Atlanta, Georgia. 93 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: Over in Savannah, there's a record label called grave Face Records. 94 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: It is founded and run by Ryan grave Face of 95 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: Black Moth, Super Rainbow. Okay, next next time you're in Savannah, 96 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: make sure you go there, Joe, because next door is 97 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: like a like spooky house of mysterious museum stuff. You know, 98 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: so it's like, uh, you know, mermaids were like Fiji mermaids, 99 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: you know that kind of stuff, like real Ripley's Believe 100 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: it or not, Pete Barnum type stuff you know, so anyway, 101 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: exactly so so so anyway, Ryan grave Face is just 102 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: a cool dude who runs a cool label and he 103 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: has many bands, but one of them is an annual 104 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: Halloween themed band called The Marshmallow Ghosts, where every year 105 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: they pick a new theme they have, like a new 106 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: release method they do, like just a weird little thing 107 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: every year. This year, I've already pre ordered their record. 108 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: This year it's all about j H. Holmes, so that'll 109 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: be fun. You know, we're reviewing their one this year 110 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: on my podcast. That one is called The Witching Hour. 111 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: The theme of that one was there's a woman hosting 112 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: a radio show and like, I think it's her either 113 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: her her ex wife or her ex girlfriend. What they died, 114 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: so I don't know if that counts as x whatever. 115 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: Their former wife, her former girlfriend who died keeps calling 116 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: into the radio show. But this woman's just still trying 117 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: to do her job and play music. So it's like 118 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: a little radio play, but also with new music peppered 119 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: in throughout by the Marshmallow Ghosts and others like it's 120 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: it's just cool stuff like that. So check out grave 121 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: Faced Records, in particular, check out the Marshmallow ghosts nice. 122 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: Oh and I guess lastly, check out Rusty Needles Record 123 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: Club because that's where I'll be talking about these things. 124 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: If you like talking about music or hearing about music, 125 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 1: Rusty Needles Record Club it's a great show. I I 126 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: myself may pop on their in in the near future. 127 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: You've been on there in the past, and yeah, we 128 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: hope to get you on again very soon. Alright, Sece, 129 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: you're ready to talk some stuff to blow your mind? 130 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 1: Listener mail definitely okay. This first message really got my 131 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: hopes up. It ultimately turned out to be a complete bust, 132 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: but it's a lot of fun and I really appreciate 133 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: this listener getting in touch anyway. So recently Rob and 134 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: I did a couple of episodes about elf shot. These 135 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: are very much in the seasonal October Vain because elf 136 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: shot was a folk belief that used to be found, 137 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: especially in the British Isles, and the belief was that 138 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: livestock and sometimes people would become ill, or they would 139 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: even die, or they would experience mysterious pains because they 140 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: had been attacked with supernatural weapons by the invisible folk, 141 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: such as fairy darts or elf arrows, and one of 142 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: the sources we looked at was a nineteen article in 143 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: the journal Antiquity by an author named Thomas Davidson which 144 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: collect did a bunch of alleged cures for elf shot, 145 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: and one of these cures was sourced to the Shetland Islands, 146 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: and it read as follows. Quote A variant prescription from 147 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: the same area directs the wise woman to take tar, 148 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: a needle, a bible, a firebrand, and some fairy crabs. 149 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: Waving the burning brand, she walked three times wider shans, 150 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: meaning counterclockwise, around the cow, jabbing the animal with the needle, 151 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: waving a leaf of the Bible over its back, and 152 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: muttering an incantation. The firebrand was placed in a pot 153 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: of tars and set at the cow's head so that 154 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: the fumes would make her cough. She was then given 155 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: the fairy crabs to eat alive. The ashes of the 156 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: firebrand were later mixed with the tar into three pills, 157 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: which were administered to the animal on three successive mornings. Now, 158 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: Rob and I were unable to figure out what the 159 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: quote fairy crabs referenced in this cure actually were. Were 160 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: they literally some type of crab is this just a 161 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 1: cute name for some other kind of animal or object. 162 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: There is actually a species of crustacean that is sometimes 163 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: called a fairy crab, but that seems to be in 164 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: twenty one century sources, and it cannot be what the 165 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: source is talking about. For one thing, because it's native 166 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: to the opposite side of the world. It's a Pacific 167 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: squat lobster around Australian Indonesia. And also I think the 168 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: appellation there is much later than this folk belief. So 169 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: we were asking listeners, does anybody have any idea what 170 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: the Shetland Islands fairy crab might be? All of that 171 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: to set up that listener, Carl wrote in with what 172 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: it first looked like a very promising solution to our question. 173 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: So Carl says, Dear Robin Joe, while listening to elf 174 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: Shot Part two, I paused to find the attached search result, 175 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: which seems to indicate that fairy crabs are some sort 176 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: of insect found on the underside of leaves, and then 177 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: Carl touched some search results for us. Uh. Now, the 178 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: actual text appearing in the Google search preview here was 179 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: very promising because it sounded like a scientific description of 180 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: an animal, including a very official sounding Latin scientific name 181 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: for the species. And it's an animal, as said by Carl, 182 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: described as spending the majority of its life on the 183 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: ground that roams around and behavior similar to a tiger beetle. Now, 184 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: this was very exciting because it did look legitimate at 185 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 1: first until you look at the domain that this result 186 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: is coming from, and it was dv and R dot com. Yeah, 187 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: at what point did you realize the the U R 188 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: L there? When? When did that? Well, pop pop, the 189 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: pop the balloon of your hopes. Well, my hopes were 190 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: still up because I was like, Okay, this is a 191 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 1: dv and art post that's referencing something I could look 192 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: up else. Okay, So I wanted to yeah, yeah, and 193 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: then find the the like the scientific name of this animal, 194 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: and then search for it in other sources and see 195 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: what's out there. Uh, And yet I didn't really find 196 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: anything when I tried that. I tried some other search terms, 197 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 1: and uh. I I kept going, still thinking maybe there 198 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: was something here, but unfortunately I realized that this is 199 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: really the only source for this information and it appears 200 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: to be some user generated content on deva and art, which, 201 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: as best I can tell, is some type of fictional 202 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: bestiary or fictional animal taxonomy that includes scientific sounding names 203 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: and scientific sounding descriptions, except with some cryptic references to 204 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: obviously some kind of fantasy context, Like it says that 205 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: this animal inhabits the barren lands. So so I think 206 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: this is this is just somebody creating some kind of 207 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 1: fun fictional world. But it kind of reminds me of 208 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: uh Seth that I don't remember if you're actually on 209 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 1: the show at this point, so this may be before 210 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: your time, but it reminds me of when we were 211 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: covering the invention of cinema and Louis La Prince, who 212 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: was an inventor of an alternate early form of of 213 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: moving pictures, uh, alternate to Edison's method, and we we 214 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: came across this what originally looked like a historical paper 215 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: but in fact I think was actually a fictional found 216 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: document that was purporting to uncover Thomas Edison confessing in 217 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: a diary entry to the murder of Louis La Prince, 218 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: and this this fictional art. I don't think it was 219 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: a hoax. I think it was intentionally meant to be 220 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: a piece of fiction to be understood as such. But 221 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: it was not labeled that way, and so I think 222 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,959 Speaker 1: people got confused to the extent that some good looking, 223 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: kind of serious articles about La Prince reported the plot 224 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: of this fictional document as fact. That that's that's a 225 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: hard part about creating historical fiction at all, just period, 226 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: full stop, is that sometimes you're too convincing, and sometimes 227 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: people don't understand things like satire and and they can't 228 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: figure it out. I mean, that's the same reason why 229 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: so many news sources accidentally, um, you know, make make 230 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: their reference back to the onion, just because they don't 231 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 1: know they can't figure it out. It's yeah, it's it's 232 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: it's fascinating. And you know, I'm looking at these drawings 233 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: for all, not just the fairy crab, but for the 234 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: orc crab and the elve crab and the goblin crab, 235 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: and I have to say, like clearly these are done, 236 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: you know, quickly with like a like rough hand more 237 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: or less. But they're like it's not like a child's drawing. 238 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: They took the time to like get the proper number 239 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: of legs, that took the time to make them, you know, 240 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: bilateral cemetry, you know, like they they they clearly have 241 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: something that they're going for with this, So I commend 242 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: them on their effort, you know. Yeah, congratulations to DV 243 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: and art user the Siren Lord. Yeah exactly for some 244 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: some some convincing world building. Anyway, do appreciate the message, Carl. 245 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: Even though this didn't pan out, it does seem like 246 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: the fairy crab mystery remains. It's good to know that 247 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: other people are considering the fairy Crab. That perhaps someone 248 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: else went down the same train of thought that we're 249 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: going through now, which is, wow, I heard this word, 250 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: what could it possibly mean? And perhaps they also couldn't 251 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 1: find any informations they had to craft it themselves. You 252 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: know that That is the way a lot of mythology continues, 253 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: is just a lack of information and then filling in 254 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: your own gaps and then someone else goes, oh, that's plausible, 255 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: and then it becomes canon. You know. So yeah, may 256 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: maybe this is the birth of that. All right, I'm 257 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: ready to move on to this message from Matt about 258 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: cattle mutilation. Are you ready? Seth most definitely all right, Matt. 259 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: This this listener has written several times before to talk 260 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: about or to speak from personal experience about topics related 261 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: to farming and ranching, and so Matt says, good day 262 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: fellas loved the cattle mutilation episode. ILL have an opener 263 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: like that, but that I would add a few thoughts 264 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: from an agricultural perspective. I've seen many of the visuals 265 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: described in the episode and can confirm predators play a 266 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: big role in the avian realm. Corvid's meaning ravens and 267 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: crows do play a significant part, and one which I 268 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: don't think the average person quite understands. Here's a couple 269 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: of examples for you, both pertained sheep, but the general 270 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: idea applies to cattle as well. Warning to the listeners 271 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: this will get a little bit grizzly for a few paragraphs. Here, 272 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: Matt writes, I know some sheep farmers, for example, that 273 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: have to keep ornaments reminiscent of owls and other species 274 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: at the entrances to their barns, because if they don't, 275 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: ravens will fly in and kill their lambs by pecking 276 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: out their eyes. Further feasting commences from there if there's time, 277 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: but they always go for the eyes first. It's pretty metal. Similarly, 278 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: I've talked to sheep farmers in Ireland who lose full 279 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: grown sheep to predatory birds. It happens in part because 280 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: sheep become immobilized when on their backs. You might have 281 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: seen this if you ever watch somebody shear a sheep's wool. 282 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: If they fall over or misstep on the mountain or 283 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: pasture for whatever reason, or become immobilized for another reason, 284 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: the birds will go straight for the exposed soft tissues. 285 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: This includes the inner thigh and gut by which the 286 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: birds peck their way into the fallen animals innards, nasty 287 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: stuff wow. Although cattle are much larger, calves can be 288 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: particularly vulnerable to these kinds of things, particularly if they 289 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: become immobilized for many of the reasons previously discussed, but 290 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: in general, these things can happen to livestock of all 291 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: kinds and sizes. I can also confirm that bloating can 292 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: create clean looking tears, slash slice like damage to flesh. 293 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: Like a lot of these things, bloating is something which 294 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: also freaks people out if they're not familiar with the 295 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: physiological process, though it is generally unpleasant for just about anyone. 296 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: You can see why a bloated bovine with its legs 297 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: sticking out at odd angles a rupture here and there, 298 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: and a clean cut on the belly does look pretty odd. 299 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure a few cattle mutilation calls were made by 300 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 1: folks who were less than experts. Anyway, just a bit 301 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: of my own experience. Nothing more surgical than a hungry corvette. 302 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: Matt uh. Thanks for sharing your experience, Matt. Yeah, one 303 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: thing I wonder about so, you know, we did the 304 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: episode on the cattle mutilation panic of the seventies, and 305 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 1: then we did the movie The Return, which is a 306 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: you know, a fictional thriller about aliens and cattle mutilation. 307 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: And one of the things we saw in the movie, 308 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 1: at least was that the rancher was the one who 309 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: was saying, you know, I've never seen a cow that 310 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: looked like this. This is you know, completely out of 311 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 1: the ordinary. Animals couldn't have done this to it. But 312 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: I wonder if it was often actually people with a 313 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: lot of agricultural experience who were relaying the reports that 314 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: allegedly happened in the seventies. I wonder if times it 315 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: was like the cop who arrived on the scene, who 316 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: put together the report that ends up sounding really crazy 317 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 1: to somebody. And also you mentioned in that episode that 318 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 1: a lot of the cattle mutilation happened on the smaller farms, 319 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: not on the larger farms. That might have something to 320 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: do with it too. Just like the law of averages, 321 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: if you have ten cows, you may never see certain 322 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: rarer you know, horrible diseases that can attack to your cows. 323 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: But if you run a large, you know, cattle ranch 324 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,719 Speaker 1: that has thousands upon thousands of cows, I bet you've 325 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: actually seen a little bit of everything. Like when you 326 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: come across this is like, oh, I know what this is. 327 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: I saw this once before, so so that that might 328 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 1: have something to do with it too, is just pure 329 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 1: law of averages versus a small cattle ranch and an enormous, 330 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: you know, cattle ranch. That's a really good point. Yeah, 331 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: But as always, Matt, thank you for providing the agricultural 332 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: perspective and for letting us know once again just how 333 00:18:54,400 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: sick the corvids are. Alright. This next message is in 334 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: response to a somewhat older episode. It was the series 335 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: we did called The Lesser of Two Crab Claws, which 336 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: was about asymmetry and animal bodies, And this is from Morgan. 337 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: Morgan says, Hi, Robert and Joe, longtime listener Morgan here, 338 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: and I've been catching up on my backlog of podcasts. 339 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: Started maternity leaves, so I've thankfully been blowing through a 340 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: large chunk of it during the day while my older 341 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: one is a daycare and my husband works parentheses. Baby 342 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: hasn't come yet. I just listened to the series on 343 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 1: biological asymmetry, which included your annotation about cilia, and as 344 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: a brief reminder here, the context was that silia are 345 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: these tiny hair like filaments that line the surfaces of 346 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: some cells in our bodies, and one of the ideas 347 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: we talked about in that episode was how silia can 348 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: create currents in the flu it surrounding cells, and how 349 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: the role of cilia in early embryonic development, maybe in creating, 350 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 1: in guiding the current of fluid moving around the developing embryo, 351 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,719 Speaker 1: may have something to do with the link between having 352 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: typically functioning cilia and having the common a asymmetrical arrangement 353 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: of internal organs, you know, with the heart on the 354 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 1: left and the liver on the right and so forth, 355 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 1: And how there are conditions where if you're silia seems 356 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: to function atypically or to be damaged in some way, 357 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: this can lead to having your internal organs swapped to 358 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: the other side. So Morgan continues, when you were talking 359 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: about the functionality of cilia and a recessive human trait 360 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: of cartagen or syndrome, and how oftentimes people diagnosed with 361 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: the syndrome have organs flipped, it made me have to 362 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: stop and rewind and listen again. I have a brother 363 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: who was born very premature and as a baby and 364 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,479 Speaker 1: young boy, was very medically involved. From what I've been 365 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: told through my mom's journey as my brother's medical advocate, 366 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: I've learned that part of why my brother was so 367 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: medically complicated was the cilia in his lungs pushing mucus 368 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: from respiratory illnesses down instead of up and out, causing 369 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: severe pneumonia regularly and eventual deterioration of his respiratory cilia. 370 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: Along with the complications of his premature birth, respiratory illnesses, 371 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 1: as well as open heart surgery in his youth. My 372 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: family also learned that my brother's internal anatomy is completely reversed, 373 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 1: including how his blood flows parentheses in verse us total us. 374 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 1: When my brother has had the heartbeat leads connected to 375 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 1: him in a medical setting. If the healthcare professional does 376 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: not know of this internal trait, his heartbeat on the 377 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: monitor will read upside down. However, if the leads are 378 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: reversed on the machine, it will appear normal. Now, as 379 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: he is an adult, his health has improved and treatment 380 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: of illnesses is relatively minor compared to how things were 381 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: when he was younger. I will probably have to explain 382 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: to doctors in the few sure my brother's medical idiosyncrasies 383 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: because of his rare and unique medical history as he 384 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: gets older. But until then, it's just a random, weird 385 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: fact that I know about him. Thank you for the 386 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,719 Speaker 1: interesting podcast, and keep up with the topics that keep 387 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: me engaged, Sincerely, Morgan. That's wonderfully fascinating, And I can't 388 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 1: imagine like how many situations that must come up and 389 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 1: when it creates just kind of like you know, little 390 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: things like you know, from something as simple as just 391 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 1: you know, checking your blood pressure all the way up 392 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: to like, oh no, I have to get my appendix removed. 393 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 1: I need to really assure my doctor where it is 394 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,719 Speaker 1: in my body. Like what a wild set of like 395 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: strange complications that must create for you, you know, Yeah, 396 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: the Morgan definitely glad to hear his his health has 397 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: improved since he's gotten older, for sure, and I'm glad 398 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: that it seems like there are workarounds for this, like 399 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: like putting the leads on backwards and stuff like that. 400 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: That's really fascinating to me. Yeah, So thanks for getting 401 00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: in touch, Morgan. Okay, a couple of messages about gimbals. 402 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: One of them comes from Eric. Eric says, greetings, gentlemen, 403 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed your episode about gimbals. There was one 404 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: really fascinating use of gimbals that is an obscure but 405 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: important part of the Apollo program, the lunar Lander test vehicle. 406 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 1: I think I've also seen this called the lunar Lander 407 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: Research vehicle. Uh. Eric says this was basically a tube 408 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: frame lunar lander shaped vehicle with a turbojet engine on 409 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: a gimbal. The jet engine was on a gimble to 410 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: provide a constant downward thrust of about five sixths of 411 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: g I mean standard acceleration due to Earth's gravity to 412 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: make the vehicle behave as if it was in the 413 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: one six of g of lunar surface gravity. So does 414 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: that make sense if if the Moon has one sixth 415 00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 1: of Earth's gravity. If you provide down thrust a an 416 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 1: acceleration creating five six worth of Earth's gravity, then it 417 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 1: will be like simulating being on the service of the Moon. Yeah, yeah, exactly, 418 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: at least for the this this test vehicle. Yeah yeah, 419 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 1: but of course you would have to mount the engine 420 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: so that it's down thrust was always aimed straight towards 421 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: the Earth's center of mass, right, so like if you 422 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: slightly moved over, it wouldn't be thrusting diagonal to to 423 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: Earth's center of mass. You know. I feel like there 424 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: were dozens of, you know, very early like eight video 425 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,239 Speaker 1: games all about creating that thrust to try and like 426 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: land like a lunar vehicle. And they definitely did not 427 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: have any gimbals in those video games that would have 428 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: made them much easier. Huh oh. Sorry. Anyway, Eric goes 429 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: on saying it was built to allow the astronauts to 430 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: practice landing on the moon. Uh And then he mentioned 431 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: an incident wherein one of these vehicles, Neil Armstrong had 432 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 1: to eject once to avoid to avoid a crash, but 433 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: that he still claimed it was a vital part of 434 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: training for lunar land ing. I thought you might appreciate 435 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 1: this weird but super cool use of gimbals. Have a 436 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: great one, Eric, that is that is interesting, Thank you Eric. Yeah, okay. 437 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: This next message about gimbals is in response to our 438 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: discussion about a device described in an ancient text called 439 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 1: on Machines by the Greek author named Athanius Mechanicals, who 440 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 1: probably lived in the first century b c. And the 441 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: device in this text is described as some kind of 442 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: suspension system for siege weaponry at sea. So you would 443 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: have siege weaponry of some kind that was on a 444 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: ship or maybe being carried between ships. Uh, and it 445 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: was suspended somehow in this in this device called the pithecon, 446 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: which translates to little ape, and the somewhat mimics a gimbal, 447 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: and we were wondering why it would be called the 448 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: little ape. Well listener Christian wrote in with an interesting guest. 449 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: Christian says sailors would occasionally capture monkeys or apes if 450 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: given freedom to roam the ship. These arboreal creatures would 451 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: naturally be seen swinging from the rigging. It seems logical 452 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 1: to me that sailors would make the connection between the 453 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,719 Speaker 1: motion of a swinging ape and the motion of an 454 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: early gimbal, especially if the gimbal was suspended by ropes. 455 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 1: Interesting idea. I wonder how pronounced that practice actually was, 456 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: because I think, I, you know, obviously we've seen like 457 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,959 Speaker 1: films and books that have that kind of leftover. You know, 458 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: the Pirates the Caribbean movies had a little monkey. The 459 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: I believe its name was like Jack Sparrow Jr. Or something. 460 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: Um what really? Yeah? I think also, um, yet the 461 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: Pippi Longstocking books and movies also had a Mr. Nielsen 462 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 1: a little monkey. So yeah, that's interesting, Like like I 463 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: know the trope for sure, I wonder how accurate that 464 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: that really was, But it makes perfect sense that it 465 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: is accurate. I'm trying to think of other ancient evidence 466 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: for sailors to king monkeys on ships. I mean, I 467 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: think about how when we did the episode on the 468 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: the Tempest Stone, the ancient Egyptian inscription that has been 469 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: alleged or at least argued by some scholars to describe 470 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: whether an atmospheric phenomena related to the volcanic eruption at 471 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: Theora around six b c E, also known as the 472 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: Minor Interruption. So in that episode we were talking about 473 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: the some of the leftovers, the ruins of the civilization 474 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: that existed at at Theora also today down as Santorini, 475 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: and one of the places there is is a place 476 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: where it has been uh like an ancient building has 477 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 1: been uncovered and in the wall there are these paintings 478 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: of monkeys that are very accurate monkeys. And I remember 479 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: the this at least suggested some kind of situation of 480 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: monkeys being brought on ships to these islands in the Aegean. 481 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: You know that one word you said, they're very accurate monkeys, 482 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: because I think that's actually a very important part of 483 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 1: like ancient art is like you can use that as 484 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: a like a determination whether or not this artist has 485 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: only heard of this creature or that whether they've actually 486 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: seen it. Because man, there is nothing more wonderful than 487 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: having an artist to draw a horse that's never seen 488 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: a horse wonderful, or giraffe or rhinoceros or yeah, rhinoceros, 489 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: say an elephant. You can find these pictures all over 490 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: the place ancient artists who have never actually seen the 491 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: animal they're depicting. Is a is a very fun rabbit 492 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 1: hole to go down the Outbrecht Durer illustration of the 493 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: rhinoceros really stands out in my mind where it looks 494 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: like a some kind of armored vehicle, I mean, and 495 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: and it makes sense to like if I have if 496 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: I had never seen an armadillo and someone describes it 497 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: to me, and they're like draw that, Like, Okay, this 498 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: is gonna be fun. We're gonna have a very strange 499 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: little monster here, you know, because in your imagination it 500 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: definitely turns monstrous or anything else, you know. Okay, Sethew, 501 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: ready to talk a little bit of weird House cinema. Alright, 502 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: a couple of messages here. The first one is from Mike, 503 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: subject line October weird House request. Mike says, Hey, Robin Joe, 504 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: nightmare on Elm Street, three Dream Warriors. That's the opening sentence. 505 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: I feel this is a bloated treasure trove of weird 506 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: Halloween goodness. You guys have made mention of this film 507 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: here and there across the span of Weird House. While 508 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: it might not be weird enough for inclusion, I'm certain 509 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: you guys can find plenty of fodder to make it. So, Hey, 510 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: we've got John Saxon and this one not to mention 511 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: Ja Ja Gabord, Dick Cavitt, and Frank dear A Bantu 512 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: Dearra bant of the Green Mile, Shawshank Redemption and most 513 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: recently notable Walking Dead screenwriting fame. Mike Well, Mike, I 514 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: don't know if we'll do that on Weird House, but 515 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: we did directly cover Nightmare three Dream Warriors one time 516 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: when I was a guest on Movie Crush with Chuck Bryant, 517 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: uh Seth. Do you have thoughts on Dream Warriors. I 518 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: think it's wonderful. I think it is perhaps peak Nightmare 519 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: on Elm Street. Perhaps, I mean, you know, I think 520 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: actually depends on your mood. If you're in the mood 521 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: for a creepy or nightmare on Elm Street. The first 522 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: one is actually really solid for that there there are 523 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: there is really much humor yet. But but if you're 524 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: if you're looking for like the goofy Freddy Krueger, I mean, 525 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: Dream Warriors is probably the peak of that in every 526 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: every fun way. You know. I think much like when 527 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: people think about Jason Vorhees, even though he appears technically 528 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: in all of the Friday Thirteenth movies, they're thinking of 529 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: the Jason Vorhees probably in like part seven or eight. Yes, 530 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: you're right like that, they're probably thinking of the Kane 531 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: Hotter version of Jason. Yeah. And so we have the 532 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: same actor playing Freddy Krueger through all the Nightmare movies, 533 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: but Freddie is presented differently in these different movies. And 534 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: I think when people think of Freddy Krueger, they're mainly 535 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: thinking of Part three, speaking of ostension, uh, Dream Warriors, 536 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: Part three is like the example of Freddy Krueger that 537 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: people think of as most characteristic of the character. Yeah. 538 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: And I actually I think that's one reason why people 539 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: were so down on the Jackie Earl Hayley version of 540 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: Freddy Krueger was that he was definitely depicting, you know, 541 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: part one Freddy, which really isn't funny. It's it's more sinister. 542 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: It's much more creepy, you know than anything else. So 543 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: you know, but thankfully we have both. So if you 544 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: want creepy Freddy, you got it. If you want fun, loving, 545 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: camp be pun making Freddy, you got that too. And 546 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: it has the dock In song. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and 547 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I mean it's it's it's it's very 548 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: much um inspired by it's it's decade. It's the most 549 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: eighties tastic, not just of any of the Nightmarre on 550 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: M Streets, but perhaps just of any eighties or her film. 551 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: Like it's it's extremely eighties and in in a in 552 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: a fun way. So yeah, I know I like that 553 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: one quite a bit. It's probably it's it's definitely one 554 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: of my favorites, if not my actual favorites of the 555 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: Nightmare series. Oh but but but but to put a 556 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: put a cap on that, I think you should cover 557 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: for Weird House, because I think we should do everything 558 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: for Weird House, because you're right, like, it's it's not 559 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: quite strange enough. The writer is correct, you you and 560 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: Robert correct, but it's still fun and fun is fun. Yeah, yeah, 561 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: I don't know if we have a necessary like bar 562 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: for strangeness to make it onto the show. I mean, 563 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: criteria pretty loose. One more message to close us out today. 564 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: This is from Matt, a different Matt than the earlier 565 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: Messagett says, good morning, team. I have to say that 566 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: I still get locked up whenever I hear the word phantasm, 567 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: simply because my dad thought it was a great idea 568 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: to have me watch it when I was three. Theaters 569 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: I almost doubt this story. Well, I mean, I I'll 570 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: just wait to hear the rest of the message. But 571 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: three is shocking. Three in theaters in theaters, Okay, Matt says. 572 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: This goes in line with him dragging me to the 573 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: theaters when I was ten to see aliens parentheses a 574 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: great birthday present in hindsight, but for a ten year 575 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: old me terrifying. Even seeing the ball floating through the 576 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: air still gives me an eye twitch. Hooray for bad 577 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: late seventies early eighties parenting styles. As an aside, now, 578 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: you might remember in the Phantasm episode, Rob and I 579 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: had a particular fixation on the character of Reggie Banister, 580 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: who is a is about as cool a cat as 581 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: you can imagine. But we were trying to describe his hairstyle, 582 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: which is bald on top with the horseshoe going around 583 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: the sides and then a ponytail in back. That's a 584 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: that's a plot twist, um, so Matt says, as an aside, 585 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: I believe the term for Reggie's here is called the skullet. 586 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: Skullet popularized by Devon Townsend, who is a Canadian metal musician. 587 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: If you're not familiar Matt says, well, Reggie would have 588 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: nothing on Devon. It is still something used in regular 589 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,720 Speaker 1: conversation here today, at least on the central coast of California. 590 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for giving me a little bit of the old 591 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: lock up I needed to keep sharp for an interview 592 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: later today. All the best, Matt, So I looked up 593 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,319 Speaker 1: some images to compare them. I see what you're saying, Matt. Yeah, 594 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 1: both bald on top, long and back. Oh. I think 595 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: we described it as UM closed for business in front, 596 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: party and back. That's an excellent description. And I can 597 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: actually see that in the central Californian coast where it's UM. 598 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: I would bet there are a lot of people. Let's 599 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: let's let's focus on people with male pattern baldness that 600 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: kick in where they have spent the majority of their 601 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 1: lives with long, luxurious, hippie like hair and then suddenly 602 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 1: the male pattern baldness horseshoe kicks in and what they're 603 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: gonna change? Nah, they're not sellouts, man, you know, they've 604 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: they're in on this lifestyle and they're keeping their long, 605 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: flowing locks. And uh, you know, friends don't let friends 606 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 1: get haircuts. That's that's just the way this Ponytail's hot 607 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: his love, you know, absolutely hot his love. Every time 608 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,359 Speaker 1: I hear that line, um, I try to figure out 609 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: what his intention is behind that, and I can't. I 610 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: can't figure it out. I guess he just means good, 611 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: I guess. Unless unless I think you mentioned this in 612 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 1: the episode, unless that's the band name, I don't. I 613 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: don't know. So so you got, you got. Let's let's 614 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: get your music reviewers opinion. Sitting here at midnight, what 615 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,439 Speaker 1: do you think? I think it's great, I really do. 616 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 1: I really do think it's great. It's it's your favorite song. 617 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: It's so ridiculous, but it does. It makes you think 618 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: of a lot of things. It makes me think of 619 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: because you know, when you grow up, because because you 620 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 1: know I'm a musician, you're a musician. You grow up, 621 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: you know, and knowing lots of musicians, and just that 622 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,800 Speaker 1: person sitting on their front porch with their guitar plugged 623 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: into an AMP and just serenading the neighborhood and part 624 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,800 Speaker 1: of the front it's just like, shut up, shut up. 625 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 1: But and I love the transition from it being this 626 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 1: very lazy blueslick over a kind of I don't even 627 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,240 Speaker 1: know what style. You'd call that, you know, easy listening, 628 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 1: blues rock kind of thing. But then when he comes 629 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: in with the acoustic guitar and they go, oh and 630 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: play the riff, Yes, you can't beat that, and it 631 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,799 Speaker 1: means how many times have they played this before? So 632 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 1: many times because they didn't synchronized so they knew. But 633 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: you know, I love it. It feels very authentic to 634 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 1: annoying musicians on their front porch, of which I have been, 635 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 1: of which I have been, I think all musicians have been. 636 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: I think I've been that guy. All right. 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