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Speaker 1: Renee. It's my favorite time of the year. It's clay

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Speaker 2: We know how excited you get about that red stuff.

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Speaker 3: You get excited about the red stuff too, Come on.

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Speaker 2: Especially Paris. There's nothing like clay in Paris, Caitlin. You

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Speaker 2: I do like the clay too.

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Speaker 3: I am shocked constantly because we the racket team tends

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Speaker 3: I mean, I love grass too, but it's a little

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Speaker 3: If you can find some red clay courts, which you

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Speaker 3: The fact that the fact that you want every other

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Speaker 2: Well, you know me, Caitlin, I tend to not be

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Speaker 1: It feels like a loyalty test, and it also sort of.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: I For me, it's it's more, if you want to

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Speaker 3: donate all of the proceeds to Ukraine. Make the oligarchs

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Speaker 2: First of all, thanks for joining me on the pod,

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Speaker 4: local park to then being in an academy at ever

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00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,720
Speaker 4: and then just kind of progressing from there. But I

436
00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,320
Speaker 4: think my parents always told me that I when I

437
00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,879
Speaker 4: was younger, I like playing It's gonna sound weird, but

438
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,240
Speaker 4: like I like always like had a ball in my hand,

439
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 4: like whether it's a football, basketball, baseball, tennis, ball something like,

440
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 4: and I like playing with falls, okay, And.

441
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 5: But yeah, so my parents told me that I always

442
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,520
Speaker 5: always just playing playing sports, and I guess just from

443
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,679
Speaker 5: a young age, like being somewhat decent at tennis, and

444
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 5: then you know, they kind of just instilled it in me.

445
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,639
Speaker 2: It's that's interesting because you are you're a little bit

446
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,120
Speaker 2: of a dichotomy as a human being, because I find

447
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:36,720
Speaker 2: you to be. First of all, you're one of the

448
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 2: easiest person to ever be around. You're one of the

449
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 2: most like players on tour. You're always funny, totally taking

450
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 2: jabs at yourself all the time. But yet it's a

451
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,439
Speaker 2: solitary sport tennis, and you you were more sort of

452
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 2: like a team type of person in some respects, but

453
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 2: yet you are quite a shy person. So it's kind

454
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 2: of like you're this interesting person to pick tennis, but

455
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,679
Speaker 2: yet was that tough for you or because because your

456
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 2: dad played a different sport, were you interested in any

457
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 2: other sport?

458
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 4: No? I was never really interested in another sport competitively.

459
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 4: I mean I always just played other sports outside of

460
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 4: tennis practice, and.

461
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 2: Again till what age, well, till what age, like you know.

462
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 4: Up until I was probably like fifteen sixteen years old,

463
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 4: I was always just playing, not not competitively, but just

464
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,199
Speaker 4: like for fun, always playing sports with my neighbors, with

465
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 4: other boys. And I was a bit of a tomboy

466
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:37,440
Speaker 4: growing up. And yeah, it was just always outside doing

467
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 4: something active. But yeah, it is, Uh, it is interesting

468
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 4: because I do love being on a team, Like, I

469
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,880
Speaker 4: love the camaraderie, I love I love shooting the shit,

470
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 4: so uh anytime, even just in locker room with players,

471
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 4: I like seek out people just to just to go

472
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 4: and kind of you know, bother them, and uh, tennis

473
00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 4: is very individual and that's also something that I do

474
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 4: enjoy too, because like you said, I am shy and

475
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 4: I enjoy just being out there on my own and

476
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 4: no one telling me what to do and just being

477
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 4: just kind of being free and not having to answer

478
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 4: to anyone or take you know, take advice or anything

479
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 4: from anyone.

480
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I always try and ask you know, fellow

481
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,199
Speaker 2: players or you know, anyone who's been successful, certainly in

482
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 2: sports about how important it is to not individualize so

483
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,439
Speaker 2: early sometimes and if you're a good athlete like you

484
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 2: you are, you know, parents need to hear that sometimes

485
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 2: you don't want to individualize your kid too early if

486
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 2: they're a good sports athlete. And it sounds like that's

487
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 2: sort of the route that you went with your tennis.

488
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean going to an academy definitely helped.

489
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 4: I think just having other people there, I can understand

490
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 4: how how people can get burnt out at a young age.

491
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 4: I mean it's it's really tough, just like all the travel,

492
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 4: you know, just grinding a challenger, is doing all that

493
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 4: sort of stuff on your own, it can be it

494
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 4: can be very very challenging.

495
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,959
Speaker 2: What would you tell a kid then, before we get

496
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 2: to sort of like why you went to college, but

497
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 2: what would you tell a kid you know about that

498
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 2: sort of grind and how important it is to hang

499
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 2: in there.

500
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's it's really important to hang in there.

501
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 4: And I think there's other players, not that you have

502
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 4: to like go and be best friends with everyone, but

503
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 4: there's always at least another player that you know is

504
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 4: looking for someone to hang out with or just spend

505
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 4: time with outside of the court. So I think it's

506
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 4: also important to Yeah, they're not going to be you know,

507
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,959
Speaker 4: they're also your competitors, but they can also be your

508
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 4: friends at the same time. So it's it's kind of

509
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 4: finding that balance of Okay, yes, when we step on

510
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 4: the court, like we're out for blood and both of

511
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 4: us want to win. So it's it's not being you know,

512
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 4: being soft on them. Oh I feel bad if I

513
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 4: beat them, no, like, because they want the same thing.

514
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 4: So I think it's important to find at least people

515
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 4: or just someone to kind of keep you going because

516
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 4: it's really really tough if you're alone. I mean when

517
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,239
Speaker 4: I was playing Challengers and stuff just coming up, I

518
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 4: actually I loved it because I was always sharing a

519
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 4: room with like two girls one girl something. There was

520
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 4: always somebody for me to to just hang out with

521
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 4: and past time. So and we were always just you know,

522
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 4: in it, complaining together. So it's not easy. And just

523
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 4: know that it's not gonna be easy. It's not going

524
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 4: to be you know, it's not gonna be glamorous. There's

525
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 4: gonna be times where you're staying at the Red roof

526
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 4: in or Econ Lodge and you hear mice and in

527
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 4: the in the you know, just running around. So but

528
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 4: you go through that and everybody goes through it to then,

529
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 4: you know, put yourself in the position of playing Grand

530
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 4: Slams and traveling to nicer tournaments.

531
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny because you know, everyone sees these big

532
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,719
Speaker 2: checks that everyone makes, you know, and I do air

533
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 2: quotes right now, like huge checks, But what they don't

534
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: see is all the shit that goes on prior to

535
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 2: getting to even a big, reasonably big tournament like a

536
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: one twenty five. Is like I'm making it now, you know,

537
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 2: but they don't see you playing fives and ten thousands

538
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 2: in the middle of nowhere, Texas or in the middle

539
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 2: of nowhere Pennsylvania. Right, Yeah, So was that a what

540
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 2: was the catalyst to go to college for you? Because

541
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 2: some and I also stress this to parents, you know,

542
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 2: and I hope some parents listen to this podcast. It's like,

543
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 2: if your kid is not necessarily prepared to really go

544
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 2: out there, and it's the grind and the challenges, but

545
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 2: it's also a grind on tour. So what would you

546
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 2: what was your reasoning to go to college as opposed

547
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 2: to going straight pro.

548
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't really have the results that that my

549
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 4: other years had. You know, I think Maddie at the

550
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 4: age of fourteen was already playing professional tournaments, winning winning matches,

551
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 4: and I was still maybe graining in grade four itfs

552
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 4: losing first or second round. And I did have a

553
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 4: good like a couple of runs in like Orangeville. Eddie

554
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 4: heard doubles, So my my junior ranking was solidified solely

555
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 4: on doubles.

556
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, he don't don't knocket it, man, we've a

557
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 2: knocking it.

558
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 4: I'm saying it helped me. It helped me, for sure.

559
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 4: I mean to be honest, I I just didn't have

560
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 4: the results. I didn't have the results, I didn't have

561
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 4: the confidence, and there was no reason whatsoever for me

562
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 4: to go pro. The only thing was that I was

563
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 4: training with these other players that were already turning pro.

564
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 4: And I was probably the only one in my age

565
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 4: group in the ninety fives that were, you know, looking

566
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 4: to go to college. And I felt like a little

567
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 4: bit of a failure because everybody else was turning pro

568
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 4: and you know, signing some deals with sponsors and stuff

569
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 4: like that. But yeah, I was. I was excited to

570
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 4: go to college, and when I went there, I was

571
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,959
Speaker 4: planning on going all four years, and I didn't know

572
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 4: what I was gonna do. To be honest with you,

573
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 4: I didn't. I didn't say, Okay, I'm gonna go for

574
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 4: one year and then I'm gonna turn pro and tried out.

575
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, I'm going to school. I never

576
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 4: was the type of person to plan ahead. I was

577
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 4: just you know, lived life that's you know, day to

578
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 4: day basis, and never thought, never thought ahead, never thought

579
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 4: never thought about playing professionally, you know, never thought about

580
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 4: what it was going to be like in the real world.

581
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 4: If I didn't play, I just went to school and

582
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 4: enjoyed it. And yeah, that that was That was my reason.

583
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 2: You told me back a while ago that basically Stella Samprass,

584
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 2: who was your coach at UCLA. Of course, if people

585
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 2: are born like maybe yesterday, don't know that Stella samprssis

586
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 2: Pete Samprus's sister. You told me that she kind of

587
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: had to push you out the door, like Jen you

588
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: got this star. Did you believe her when she was

589
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 2: telling you that?

590
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, both her and Rants and also at the time

591
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 4: like my freshman year or a volunteer assistant, Laura Gordon,

592
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 4: They were. They were just like telling me, I mean

593
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 4: I played three in the lineup. I never I played

594
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 4: one and two. I played h. I played a couple

595
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 4: of matches at two, but I played Smarrily number three,

596
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 4: Robin Anderson was one, Chanel van Win, Kyle McPhillips, they

597
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 4: were around two. Uh. But yeah, I mean I ended

598
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 4: up getting a foot injury and I told Stella to

599
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 4: put me out like four or five because I was like,

600
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 4: let's win n C double as again. So I didn't

601
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 4: care about the lineup. I just wanted to win the

602
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 4: win the Natty. But yeah, they all just kind of

603
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 4: not treated me differently. But you know, I felt like, Okay,

604
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 4: I am like a pretty good tennis player, and I

605
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 4: think like I was seeing you know, other players doing

606
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 4: well at tournaments like around Miami Open, Indian Wells. It

607
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 4: was around that time when I was still in school

608
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 4: and you know, I was going to class and they

609
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 4: were in the third round and I was like, oh God,

610
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 4: I wish I was playing, And so something in sad

611
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 4: me was like, all right, I need to work harder

612
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 4: to do some stuff on my own. And they they

613
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 4: totally supported me, and I actually ended up my after

614
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 4: my freshman year, I was playing some tournaments over the summer,

615
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 4: like twenty five k's, fifty k's, just like all the

616
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 4: challenges in the US, and I ended up doing pretty

617
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 4: good and got me ranking up to like two twenty.

618
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 4: And I was like, okay, do I do I go pro?

619
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 4: Like do I keep playing or do I go back

620
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 4: to school? And you know, I talked to Stella and

621
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 4: it was it was a decision that I decided to

622
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 4: go back. And then you know, UCLA would honor my

623
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 4: scholarship so I could go back and return anytime and

624
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 4: they'll pay for my tuition. So I was like, okay,

625
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 4: what's what's four more months and then when I leave,

626
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 4: I'll have ranking and and then I can play. So yeah,

627
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 4: that that was that was the reason why I left

628
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 4: after my second year.

629
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Speaker 2: I think the key to that when I when you,

630
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 2: when I hear that story from you, is also for

631
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: parents and for kids that go to college or think

632
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: about going to college or not. It's just you know,

633
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 2: really be honest with yourself, like deep down inside, because

634
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 2: first of all, college is tough, Like you've got a

635
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 2: lot of hours on court, you're doing your school work.

636
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 2: It's it's not a walk in the park. It's a

637
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 2: little bit of fun too. But but I would say,

638
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 2: like turning pro, it's like you that's it, You're pro.

639
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: This is your profession now, so now you have to

640
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 2: put everything into that basket, and like, this can be

641
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: a little bit scary. So I'm glad you did it though.

642
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it definitely was a little bit scary. In

643
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 4: the beginning. I was like, I don't know if I

644
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 4: could do this, and yeah it was. It wasn't easy,

645
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 4: like I said before, but but nothing's easy. And I

646
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 4: was like, what am I going to do, like to

647
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 4: behind a desk in work, you know, I was like,

648
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 4: no way.

649
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: That's not you ain, no way, So you're going to

650
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: cut to You're going into pros. You sort of get

651
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 2: your feet wet, you're starting to develop your game a

652
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 2: little bit. I guess what was sort of the catalyst

653
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: to like push. You obviously changed coaches, you got away

654
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 2: from the USCA system, you went to Germany, you got

655
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 2: a different coach, you gave you a different mentality. But

656
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 2: what are the things that like you felt like in

657
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 2: that six month period, well you really you know, I

658
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 2: saw you qualify in China, you had a great year

659
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: the next year. What mentally changed because I saw a

660
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,719
Speaker 2: little bit of a different person from you from that

661
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 2: period on to making the austrain open.

662
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 4: Fine. Oh yeah. I the whole time I'd been playing,

663
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 4: since I left college, I was always just not necessarily

664
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 4: going through the motions, but like when I would play matches,

665
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 4: like one year I played Simona hallup in Toronto and

666
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 4: I lost in three sets. It was a close three

667
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 4: set match, but the whole time, I never believed that

668
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 4: I would win, Like, I never believed that I could

669
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 4: win the match. I always was just kind of quote

670
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 4: satisfied that I would get a set off of you know,

671
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 4: a top twenty player or a top ten players. So

672
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 4: I never actually believed that I could be that player,

673
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 4: that I could be the one, you know, where someone

674
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 4: was playing against me and I was the one who

675
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 4: was seated, or I was the one going into the

676
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 4: match being the favorite. I was always just used to

677
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 4: being the underdog and being okay with with having a

678
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 4: having a tough loss. So I think my mentality changed

679
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 4: when I started seeing and realizing that you know, I

680
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 4: have I have the game, I have the tools, I

681
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 4: have what it takes to to beat these players and

682
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 4: and they're just people like, they're not you know, they're

683
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 4: not God like, they're just people like I am. And

684
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 4: they also they also make mistakes and they're not perfect.

685
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 4: So I always just put the players who were, you know,

686
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 4: ranked maybe inside the top fifty, always just on a pedestal.

687
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 4: And you know, after maybe getting a win or two,

688
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 4: I was like, holy shit, like that's me, Like I'm

689
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 4: better than that, you know, I can, I can take

690
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 4: it all the way. And then the results started coming.

691
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 4: I started working a lot harder and started believing in myself,

692
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 4: and yeah, I think that's kind of how it started.

693
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 2: It's it's I talk about this all the time, Jen,

694
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 2: It's about like it's the subconscious mind and the conscious mind,

695
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: and the conscious mind is the you know, is the

696
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 2: thing that you talk about, you say in press or

697
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: you say to yourself. But then there's that little little

698
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 2: tiny Jenny in the back of the brain, or me

699
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 2: it used to be the little tiny Stubbsy in the

700
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 2: back of my brain, going yeah, but you're not really

701
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 2: quite ready yet, you know, I don't think you can

702
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 2: win this match yet. And then all of a sudden,

703
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 2: when the conscious mind and the subconscious mind are on

704
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 2: the same page and they actually believe that they can win.

705
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 2: That's when your life starts to change as a professional.

706
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 2: So that's what it sounds like for you a little

707
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 2: bit there, because I have a funny story to tell

708
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 2: because we all know you know, me doing courtside at

709
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: ESPN and it was one of your bigger matches. I

710
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: think it was the third round of the Year's Open

711
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 2: against Blushkova. Fourth round, fourth round. Sorry, I should have

712
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 2: had that correct, you know, way to go, way to

713
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: get your research right. Fourth round. You're sitting there, it's

714
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: the biggest match of your career. At that point, you

715
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: run out, You've got the wrong like signage or whatever

716
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 2: on your shirt. The umpire tells you you got to

717
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: go run off the court. Can you take me through

718
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: that little five minute stint there and explain to people

719
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 2: this is one of the reasons why maybe things changed

720
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 2: a little bit, because I think you were still a

721
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: little bit like, what the hell am I doing out here?

722
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 2: Tell me that story? Please?

723
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can actually tell you a little bit more

724
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 4: to that story. Even before I went out to the court. Great,

725
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 4: So I was warming up in the gym and ash

726
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 4: and I'm first on at eleven, and all of the

727
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 4: courts were being called ten minutes before. So at ten fifty,

728
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 4: I stop my warm up. I go downstairs and I'm

729
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 4: there waiting, and you're there too, and You're like, what

730
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 4: are you doing here? You're like you still have about

731
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 4: like twelve minutes, and I'm like what. I'm like, Oh

732
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 4: my gosh, I'm already warned off. I'm ready to go.

733
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 4: And I'm like, uh, what do I do now? And

734
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 4: I literally just go into the locker room and I

735
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 4: sit on the on the bench for like ten twelve

736
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 4: minutes until one of the supervisors comes in and it's like, Okay,

737
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 4: are you ready? And I'm like, oh, yeah, I guess.

738
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 4: I mean, I've been ready for fifteen minutes, already psyching

739
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 4: myself out. I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm going to

740
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 4: play on the biggest stadium in tennis. I'm I did

741
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 4: a warm up twenty minutes ago. I'm really the warm

742
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 4: up up. I'm not warm. I'm not mentally or physically

743
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 4: prepared for this match. So I'm just going out there.

744
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 4: And then you know, we did our court site interview

745
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 4: and then, like you said, I was wearing a patch

746
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 4: and the patch apparently was too big or they put

747
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 4: it on wrong, and so I had to go run

748
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 4: off the court, use the change room and put on

749
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 4: a different top. So I was just running in to match,

750
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,919
Speaker 4: all out of sorts, and I was just like and

751
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 4: from that point on, honestly, I think my whole pre

752
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 4: match stuff lasted longer than the actual match. So it

753
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 4: was it was not my best performance, I would say,

754
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 4: And yeah it was. It was fairly quick.

755
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 2: All I remember is you running back onto the court

756
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 2: and most people, you know, this happens. You've got to

757
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: go change you shot or maybe go to the bathroom.

758
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: You come back out, You kind of sit down and

759
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: take a simple water. Do you kind of bring your

760
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: heart rate back down, You get yourself back focused. You

761
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 2: ran back on the court, ran got your racket, ran

762
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: back to the baseline, ran and got a ball from

763
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 2: the ball kid, turned around and served within about thirty

764
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: five seconds. And I'm sitting there courtside going, oh, this

765
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 2: is going to be an ugly start, and I thought,

766
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: I think you double folded the first point and I thought.

767
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 4: So, I was like, oh my god, they're winning for me.

768
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 4: This is my first time on a thedium. I got

769
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 4: a camp. You late. I don't know what to do.

770
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 4: I was freaking out.

771
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: I was like, holy shit, it was a quick match.

772
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 2: But the good thing is flip too. A couple of

773
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 2: years later, okay, and you make that run to the

774
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 2: US Open semifinal when you walked under the court for

775
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 2: that match, because for me, that was the match of

776
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 2: the tournament. You know, when you walked under that court.

777
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: First of all, take me to the perspective of not

778
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 2: having a crowd there during that year and if that

779
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 2: actually helped helped you a little bit, because your one

780
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: player that I've said publicly that I think it helped

781
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 2: because you were starting to get really good as a

782
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 2: tennis player, starting to really believe in yourself, and then

783
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: not sort of having the crowd expectation on you. I

784
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: think helped you find the best Jenny Brady out there.

785
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 2: But take me through that maturation of you know, a

786
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,919
Speaker 2: couple of years before and being like, oh my god,

787
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: this is all too much for me to Hey, I'm

788
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: here to stay, So take me through that match.

789
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think I agree the whole crowd thing.

790
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 4: I mean, our first turn at back in like someton,

791
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 4: I won that and there was no crowd, and then

792
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 4: leading into the US Open having no crowd, I was

793
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 4: just I just felt like I was hyper focused on

794
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 4: every single point in the matches. And I was also

795
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 4: so hungry to just compete again because it had been

796
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 4: so long, and I was training so hard on my

797
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 4: own here in Orlando, and I knew I'd put in

798
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 4: the work, so I had a lot of confidence in

799
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 4: myself and my game and my fitness everything, and I

800
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 4: think it kind of showed that I was putting in

801
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 4: a lot of work during that time. But I think

802
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 4: that match absolutely If you even asked Naomi that, I'm

803
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 4: sure she would say that was probably one of the

804
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 4: best matches she's ever played, too. I mean, it was

805
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 4: just such high quality from the beginning until the end.

806
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 4: It was just an unfortunate tiebreak for me. In the

807
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 4: first set, I did not play a good tie break

808
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 4: at all, and I had a couple on four stairs.

809
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 4: But then it was a good second set, and then

810
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 4: the third set she just broke me once.

811
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean.

812
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 4: Almost every point was very, very high quality. It was

813
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 4: one hundred percent better that match than the match we

814
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 4: played in the finals in Australia. I think both of

815
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 4: us honestly didn't play good at all. I think she

816
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 4: served really well in that match with the US Open.

817
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 4: That's one thing that I felt a lot of pressure

818
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 4: on was when I was serving. I felt like I

819
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 4: really had to play almost not a perfect game, but

820
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 4: close to perfect game with a lot of firs, high

821
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 4: first serve percentage and like aggressive from the very beginning

822
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 4: because I felt her pressure when she was serving. That

823
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 4: was huge for me in the second set to get

824
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 4: to get the break at four to three I think

825
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 4: it was. And then.

826
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.

827
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 4: It was a really really high quality match and just

828
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 4: kind of showed the improvements that I made three years

829
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 4: later from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty.

830
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, was the subconscious Jenny and the conscious Jenny on

831
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 2: the same path in that semi and also the final

832
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: the Aussie well, were they still battling.

833
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 4: Each other In the final, she was battling, She was

834
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 4: battling herself bad. But in the semi, like I wasn't

835
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 4: thinking ahead, wasn't you know, thinking about any of it.

836
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 4: I just wanted to win the match, like, but that final,

837
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 4: I was actually so more disappointed in myself after the

838
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 4: semi because I played such a good match, and I

839
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 4: was like, gosh, if I bled that good, Like how

840
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 4: did I not win? And I mean tennis is just

841
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 4: a matter of inches, Like a couple points here and

842
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 4: there to me make a huge difference. So I mean,

843
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 4: and when people say I play every point like it's

844
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 4: your last, like I think every point does matter. And

845
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 4: that's kind of the perspective that I that I had

846
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 4: sort of taken over the last couple of years, just

847
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 4: just playing every single point the same. You know, whether

848
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 4: I'm up forty love or talent forty love, I think,

849
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 4: you know, just just trying to to win every single point.

850
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 4: It makes a huge difference because there's games where you

851
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 4: know where you know I'm out of it, and then

852
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, you know, I end up winning it.

853
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 4: And then I'm looking back at that match and I'm like,

854
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 4: holy shit, I didn't like stay in there and believe

855
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,479
Speaker 4: in it, like I probably would have lost the match

856
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 4: instead of winning two and two. Like it's a huge difference.

857
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 4: And but yeah, that that Australian Open final, I went

858
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 4: into the match and I was like, I'm not ready.

859
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 4: I'm not ready to be a Grand Slam champion, Like

860
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 4: not that I don't want it, but I was like

861
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 4: I didn't. I didn't know what to expect, and I

862
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 4: was like, oh my gosh, it's just all happened so fast,

863
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 4: making my first Grand Slam semi finals and then making

864
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 4: my first Grand Slam final right away. I was like wow, like,

865
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 4: I don't know if I'm ready yet, but so can tell.

866
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: You what if you could go back, if you could

867
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: go back, or or if you could be that person

868
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 2: like this is what happens when you get into coaching. Right,

869
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 2: not yet, there's a long way to go yet, but

870
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: no go back and say to Jen Brady in the

871
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 2: Australian Open the day before or maybe even the morning before,

872
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 2: what would you tell yourself and that.

873
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 4: Oh, that that I'm ready, that I'm ready to hold

874
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 4: the trophy to be a Grand Slam champion. Just just play,

875
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 4: just play your game, believe in it and just have

876
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 4: fun out there. I think you know, every single one

877
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 4: of the matches that I played, I may have not

878
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 4: played my best tennis. And that's also important too, that

879
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 4: you don't have to play your best, but you just

880
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 4: have to find a way. You have to find a

881
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 4: way to to just grind and hang in there at

882
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 4: any moment, you know, the match can can shift. You know,

883
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 4: the opponent can get a little bit nervous serving for it,

884
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,479
Speaker 4: and then you kind of capitalize on that and also

885
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 4: just being aware of how they are mentally and physically,

886
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 4: just kind of paying attention to that to the other

887
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 4: side of the court as well. So yeah, we told

888
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 4: myself just just go out there and fucking win it.

889
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: I love it good. I'm going to remind you of

890
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 2: that the next time you're in a final, because you

891
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 2: will be one day. Isn't it funny to think that

892
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,240
Speaker 2: you played Naomi like in the middle of nowhere Texas

893
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 2: and some challenger. I know that you guys played like

894
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 2: first round, isn't it Yeah, But did you think about

895
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 2: when you when you think about the match in Texas

896
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 2: against Naomi, we like, yeah, yeah, she's gonna be number

897
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: one in the world one day and I'm going to

898
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 2: play her in a Grandson final.

899
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 4: No. I was like, oh my god, I just have

900
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 4: to put two balls in the court, and she like

901
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 4: this is I was like, oh my gosh. She the

902
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 4: ball so hard though, but I was like just running

903
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 4: side aside for literally two balls, and I was like, yeah,

904
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 4: this is easy. Like I just have to make football,

905
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 4: Like put it in the court, she's going to mess.

906
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 2: Well, she's improved her ability to make a little bit.

907
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 2: So unfortunately, Jenny, you know, when you're having this incredible run, bang,

908
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 2: terrible injury plan a fashion issues, foot issues probably overtrained

909
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 2: when you had them, because this is unfortunately we tennis players,

910
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 2: you know, or athletes in general, get injured and they

911
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 2: just keep pushing, right, they just keep pushing through because

912
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: it's like they can do it, and you don't want

913
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 2: to lose six months or you don't want to lose

914
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 2: a year. Go through that a little bit just quickly

915
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 2: with the injury and where you're at now.

916
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, so start having pain in my heel and during

917
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 4: Miami Open, I didn't really think anything of it, you know,

918
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 4: like you were just a little bit here and there,

919
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 4: and then went over to Europe for the clay season

920
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 4: and then you know, after my first round match with

921
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 4: Stutgard the next day, I was like, oh my gosh,

922
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 4: like we I remember I was going to go into

923
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 4: the gym mc daniel and we started like jogging and

924
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 4: I was like I can't do this, Like I can't

925
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 4: even Like I was like it so much pain and

926
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 4: I just kept pushing it, pushing it, pushing it, played it.

927
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 4: Roalm played a match, ended up retiring, and then went

928
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 4: to Roland Garros. So I was like, okay, I'm not

929
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 4: gonna play. You know, I'm gonna come here. I'm gonna

930
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 4: withdraw Sunday night. I'm like, screwt, I'm gonna play like.

931
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 4: And I told myself, I was like, I'm only gonna

932
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 4: play like, but I'm stepping out there and I'm finishing

933
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 4: the match like I'm not gonna do you know. I

934
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 4: was like, that's why they came up with this lucky loser,

935
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 4: you know, fifty percent prize money. Because I was like, okay,

936
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,959
Speaker 4: you know, I go out there, I play a couple

937
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 4: of games. I'm not gonna you know, I'm gonna get fined.

938
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 4: And I totally respect that and ended up winning. Around

939
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 4: next day, couldn't really walk. Played my second round, won that,

940
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 4: and then third round I was playing Coco and and

941
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 4: I didn't only just have pain at that point because

942
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 4: I was just like compensating with the rest of my body,

943
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 4: like I started having back spasms, I couldn't serve. Everything

944
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 4: kind of went and I just had to end up

945
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 4: retiring but yeah, like you said, like I just kept

946
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 4: pushing my body and pushing it and pushing it and

947
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 4: pushing it. And I never really had like a bad

948
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 4: injury like that before. Uh So it's always just been

949
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 4: something like, oh, okay, you know, just play through it

950
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 4: and then it'll go away. And yeah, no, it wasn't

951
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 4: one of those. And then ended up skipping the whole

952
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 4: grass season, played the Olympics, uh and then was playing

953
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 4: in a tournament in Cincinnati. Was way too soon. Uh.

954
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 4: Still was having a lot of pain, Like I remember

955
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 4: practicing and just like crying during practice, and but like

956
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 4: always just keeping to myself like I've never I'm also

957
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 4: not very good. I like to just you know, push

958
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 4: through it, and I'm like, okay, like you know, you're

959
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 4: not weak, you know, just keep keep playing, like keep playing.

960
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 4: You know.

961
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 2: Do you get that from? Where? Do you get that

962
00:46:58,360 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 2: from my dad?

963
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 4: My dad for sure? Yeah, he instilled like a football

964
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 4: mentality in me. And uh yeah.

965
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,240
Speaker 2: I you know in football that just injected a little

966
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 2: like steroid in there and go go and play this

967
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 2: game and there a six year professional career pretty much.

968
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 2: That's like that.

969
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 4: I know, I know, but you know, you live and learn.

970
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 4: And I was playing a match against Austin Panko in

971
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 4: my second round match and I ended up tearing my

972
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 4: plan of fascia. So and while this started going on,

973
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 4: like back in July, I started having a little bit

974
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 4: knee pain and so, uh, because I was compensating so much,

975
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 4: went to the US Open with a torn polane of fascia.

976
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 4: I didn't know it was torn, didn't get an MRI.

977
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 4: H And I was having pretty bad knee pain. And

978
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 4: I always remember I was like practicing, I was hitting

979
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 4: some serves and I felt like a crack in my

980
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 4: knee and I was like, oh my god, ouch. And

981
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 4: I ended up getting an MRI and they were like, okay,

982
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 4: it was dress fracture. So I pulled out a US Open.

983
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,479
Speaker 4: Funny enough, I was supposed to play em rod Accon

984
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 4: in first round, so that's right. Yeah. So uh hey,

985
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 4: uh she said, she.

986
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 2: Said for life because of you pulling out.

987
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:16,479
Speaker 5: Hey.

988
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're welcome, Emma, You're welcome. You can thank me later.

989
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 4: So yeah, and uh, I've been rehabing both my injuries,

990
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 4: been out since August.

991
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 2: Uh.

992
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 4: My foot's feeling pretty good. My knee ended up having Uh,

993
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 4: it was a lot worse than expected. It was. Uh so,

994
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 4: I have cartilage piece that kind of broke off. So

995
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 4: I a couple of weeks ago, I had surgery and

996
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 4: they went in there and and and scoped it and

997
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,720
Speaker 4: cleaned it up, and so, uh yeah, I was hoping

998
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 4: to be on court six week post surgery.

999
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 2: But you know, it always always go a little.

1000
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 4: I also was kind of pushing it on my own.

1001
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 4: I was doing some stuff on my own. I like

1002
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 4: to test my injuries. And uh not that I made

1003
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 4: anything worse, but I've kind of given myself a little

1004
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 4: bit of a setback because I wanted to, because I

1005
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 4: was just going mad, like it's been so long since

1006
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 4: I've played, and you know, really like done anything. You know,

1007
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 4: sort of pushed myself basically.

1008
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 2: So I mean, I mean, the the ultimate question is

1009
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: what would you tell yourself a year, you know, a

1010
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 2: year and a half ago. And I think the answer

1011
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 2: is just you know, when you when your body screaming

1012
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 2: at you take the time.

1013
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, when your body is screaming and you stop, like

1014
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,720
Speaker 4: I probably would still be I would probably be playing.

1015
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 4: I mean probably you never know, but I could have

1016
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 4: prevented it from getting this bad if I had just

1017
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 4: listened to my body in the first place and shut

1018
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 4: it down for you know, a couple of weeks a month,

1019
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 4: listen to my body before, you know, just trying to

1020
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,240
Speaker 4: keep pushing it and pushing it and pushing it.

1021
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 2: Is that the I think the lasting legacy of someone

1022
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 2: like Ashbarty, who you were good buddies with, played doubles

1023
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 2: with on the tour from time to time, and you know,

1024
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 2: Ash is pretty similar to you, a total tom boy,

1025
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 2: can play any sports. You know, shy but yet easy going.

1026
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 2: You're very similar in that respect. Is it the legacy

1027
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 2: of Ash to say, if you don't want to play,

1028
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 2: don't play. If you're injured, don't don't play. You've got

1029
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,439
Speaker 2: plenty of time on your hands. Obviously Ash is retired now,

1030
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 2: but don't you feel like, you know, her not playing

1031
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 2: throughout that whole pandemic year because she just didn't want

1032
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: to travel and deal with all that quarantine. Do you

1033
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,479
Speaker 2: think something in that is to help other players say

1034
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 2: you've got plenty of time, like calm down, like you

1035
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 2: still got so much time on your hands, and so

1036
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 2: hopefully you're taking that to heart.

1037
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, in the moment, it's really tough to think. It's

1038
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 4: tough to think, you know, oh my gosh, you're missing

1039
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 4: one tournament. But even then, like you don't have to

1040
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 4: play every single week. It's it's absolutely draining mentally and physically.

1041
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 4: The tennis season is almost eleven months long, so there's

1042
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,760
Speaker 4: plenty of tournaments to play, and I think it's also

1043
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 4: being smart with how you schedule your tournaments, how you

1044
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 4: schedule practice, giving yourself time to rest. I also never

1045
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 4: took you know that last year and a half, I

1046
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 4: was a little bit of a Nazi, Like I just

1047
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 4: kept going and going and going, and no wonder my

1048
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 4: body was just so broken down. I mean, to even

1049
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 4: just get to tear your plan of fascia, it's like

1050
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 4: it's very tough to do. And to get a stress

1051
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 4: fracture in your knee and cartilage damage at the same time,

1052
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 4: it's very hard to do. So it's something that obviously,

1053
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 4: especially your age, Yeah, exactly. So it kind of just

1054
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 4: my body was just telling me just slow down, like

1055
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 4: don't why are you doing so much? And I didn't

1056
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 4: listen to it, and then you know, it just got

1057
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 4: to that point. So yeah, I saw something, you know,

1058
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 4: Christianne shared something with me, like a video and it

1059
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 4: was like, there was this former athlete who she retired,

1060
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 4: and she was just so used to going to the

1061
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 4: gym and just grinding and leaving like feeling like she

1062
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 4: like is exhausted and just you know, accomplished everything that

1063
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 4: you want to accomplish, did so much and just was

1064
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 4: used to like torturing herself and torturing her body. And

1065
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my gosh, that's how I feel.

1066
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 4: That's how I felt. I was like, that was I mean,

1067
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 4: that's not normal, you know. I mean it is like

1068
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 4: you do have to push yourself and push your body,

1069
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 4: but to a certain point, like to a certain point

1070
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 4: where it's like, Okay, I'm not getting injured. I don't

1071
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 4: have pain. Yes, you can be sore, you can feel tired,

1072
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 4: but to a point where you have pain. And if

1073
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 4: you keep going and going and going and the pain

1074
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 4: gets worse and worse, then you have an injury. And

1075
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 4: that's when you kind of have to be like, Okay,

1076
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 4: let's slow it down here, let's ticket easy.

1077
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,280
Speaker 2: Are you at all not scared? But I guess worried

1078
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 2: or scared a little bit to like go to that threshold,

1079
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 2: because I mean, I know how how hard it is

1080
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 2: and how much training has to go into being a

1081
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 2: great tennis player. I mean, these points are getting longer,

1082
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 2: the matches are getting longer, the players are getting better.

1083
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 2: Is there any part of you that's a little bit

1084
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 2: trepidacious about pushing yourself to that extreme again?

1085
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 4: Now? If anything, it's like keeping people are like preventing

1086
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 4: me from like pushing myself. Like two days post surgery,

1087
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 4: I was like getting on the assault bike and like

1088
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 4: trying to like push myself like eighty percent. And you know,

1089
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 4: I didn't tell anyone, And then I'm telling people now,

1090
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,479
Speaker 4: like telling the doctor and they're like, what are you doing,

1091
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 4: Like you know, wonder your knee is like not recovering,

1092
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 4: Like you can't be doing that shit like and I'm

1093
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 4: just like yeah, but like I have to. I have

1094
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 4: to get better, like you know, have to be I

1095
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 4: have to be ready, like you know, like if I

1096
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 4: if I want to come back, like if it knocks

1097
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 4: off two weeks And they're like, no, you're only like

1098
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 4: giving yourself setbacks, And I'm like, oh, okay, so no

1099
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 4: I'm not. I'm not afraid of going there. It's more

1100
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 4: of like listening to my body. The only thing I'm

1101
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,760
Speaker 4: scared of is like, uh, I mean I'm not afraid

1102
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 4: of any No, I'm not afraid of it.

1103
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: No good.

1104
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 2: I think the lesson here again is sometimes listening to

1105
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 2: people that might know a little bit more than you

1106
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 2: when it comes to actually the way the body works,

1107
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 2: that's all. That's all I'm saying.

1108
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I don't really know how it works. I

1109
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 4: just I just know how to do what I'm told,

1110
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 4: and and more, well.

1111
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 2: No, you don't do what you're told because the doctor

1112
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 2: told you're probably not to do that.

1113
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 4: But anyway, story, yeah you're ready, don't listen.

1114
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,879
Speaker 2: I guess what do you what other than the competing pot?

1115
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: And what do you miss about being on tour?

1116
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 4: I miss I'm miss seeing everyone every single week all

1117
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 4: my friends are on tour. I mean being home in Orlando,

1118
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 4: I'm like so bored. There's nobody here. The only people

1119
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 4: who like when Caroline dahl Hyde comes back, like you know,

1120
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 4: the second she comes back, I'm like, hey, what are

1121
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 4: you doing? And I'm like, oh, or Maddie, and yeah,

1122
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 4: it's just I miss like seeing people. I miss the competition.

1123
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 4: I miss uh, I miss the training. I miss you know,

1124
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 4: feeling like waking up and feeling accomplished or like yeah,

1125
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 4: like like feeling like oh okay today, like today I'm

1126
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 4: I'm doing this, this and this, and then at the

1127
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 4: end of the day, like I feel like I got better,

1128
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 4: So like I just missed like the process. Really, yeah,

1129
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 4: that's one thing. Yeah, besides the competing obviously.

1130
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 2: What's the belief system and the belief in you once

1131
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 2: you're healthy and you're back and hopefully it sounds like

1132
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 2: to me that the maybe the the coming out of

1133
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 2: Jenny Brady again might be the US Open swing. Is that?

1134
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is my absolute goal. That's my goal. And

1135
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 4: the doctor told me, if I lease do anything more stupid,

1136
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,720
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have another step back. So I'm listening now.

1137
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, that's one hundred percent of my goal is

1138
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 4: to to to start the US the US Series and

1139
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 4: oh man, I'm like so looking forward to it. But

1140
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 4: I know it's not gonna be easy. That's gonna be

1141
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 4: Probably the hardest thing for me is to to know

1142
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 4: that I'm not gonna just I mean, you never know,

1143
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 4: but I'm not gonna come back and win with my

1144
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 4: first term at back and I mean you never know though,

1145
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 4: so uh but yeah, I know it's not gonna be easy.

1146
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,720
Speaker 4: It's gonna be a grind even just getting back on court,

1147
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 4: getting back you know physically, uh, you know, like just

1148
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 4: getting back into tennis shape, into playing shape. It's gonna

1149
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,760
Speaker 4: be it's gonna be tough. But I'm like so looking

1150
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 4: forward to blood, sweat and tears.

1151
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 2: Baby, all right, Jenny, Last couple of questions, like coaching wise,

1152
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 2: for you, what's the most important? Like you try and

1153
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 2: help develop sometimes coaches into understanding how important it is

1154
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 2: to help players in certain ways where they be emotionally, physically,

1155
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 2: the game plans, structure on the practice court, all of

1156
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 2: those things. Is what a coach is? You need a

1157
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 2: coach for. What are the attributes you know that that

1158
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 2: you would like to pass on to, Like people out

1159
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 2: there that are listening maybe that want to go into

1160
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 2: coaching or are looking for a coach for their kids.

1161
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 4: I would say that the coach and the player have

1162
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 4: to have the same goal. They have to have the

1163
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 4: same they have to believe and want the same things

1164
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 4: because I think it motivates each other. And also you

1165
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 4: start to believe in yourself a little bit more as

1166
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 4: a player when the coach believes in you. And I

1167
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 4: think that's really important because in those moments it's about

1168
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 4: the tennis, but it's also mental. Like I'm watching a

1169
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 4: lot of these tournaments and I'm seeing a lot of

1170
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 4: mental shifts on the court, and I'm like, oh my gosh, yeah,

1171
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 4: you know, I can see it right there. You know,

1172
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 4: if they don't win this point, it's like all hell

1173
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 4: breaks loose. So I think it's just knowing believing that

1174
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 4: regardless of the score, regardless of the points, when you

1175
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 4: look up at your box and you see someone there,

1176
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 4: you're like, they believe in me, Like I need to

1177
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 4: believe in myself. So I think that's that's really important.

1178
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 4: And then also just having the structure on court, the practices,

1179
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 4: you know, having a game plan, having using utilizing your weapons,

1180
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 4: making your weapons better, but also recognizing they recognize their

1181
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 4: weaknesses and they're not afraid to point those out. So

1182
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 4: I think because players can can I mean, I can

1183
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 4: name weaknesses of every player you know, and I think,

1184
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 4: you know, if the coach doesn't know that, I don't

1185
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 4: think then that's the right fit. I think that they

1186
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 4: have to recognize the player's weakness and make that better

1187
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,919
Speaker 4: and then also make their strengths better. So I think

1188
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 4: just kind of like developing their game and then also

1189
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 4: helping them believe in themselves.

1190
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 2: All right, go back to being twenty Jenny, What would

1191
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 2: you tell your twenty year old self.

1192
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 4: You're a lot smarter than you think you are. You

1193
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 4: you can play tennis better than you think you can,

1194
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 4: and uh, it's just it's just a matter of time

1195
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 4: before before you know, things, things good things happen.

1196
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 2: Wow, look at you getting all philosophical and old year old.

1197
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 2: What are you twenty six.

1198
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 4: Now twenty seven? Like seven days ago?

1199
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 2: Oh, that's you're a co aries. I five on that one,

1200
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 2: my friend. Yeah, a lot of great tennis players were

1201
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 2: arias my friend Ny. I mean, I could talk to

1202
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 2: you for hours and hours, but I'm just really happy

1203
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 2: that we got to spend a little bit of time

1204
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 2: with you today. And I can speak for a lot

1205
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 2: of people not only in the talent television industry, coaching industry,

1206
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 2: other players. Man, we cannot wait to have you back

1207
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 2: because you're missed out on two of my friend.

1208
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I can't wait to be back. I can't wait.

1209
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I can't wait to see you five minutes

1210
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 2: before at your introduction time on Arthur Ash stadium.

1211
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 4: In the near future, I'll be a different person, don't

1212
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 4: you worry.

1213
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know. It's a super focused now, super

1214
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 2: focused Jenny, great job over the last couple of years.

1215
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 2: I know you're going to be back. Trust in the process,

1216
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 2: my friend. Trust in the process. You'll be back and

1217
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 2: you'll be You'll be kicking everyone's ass again with that

1218
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 2: monster servant monster forehand, So trust it.

1219
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,919
Speaker 4: Well, well, all right.

1220
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 2: Jenny, thanks for joining me and my friend. I miss

1221
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 2: you out there, so we'll see you soon. Yeah, thanks

1222
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 2: to the rehab. Yes, all right, buddy, thank you.