WEBVTT - Georgia Puts Execution ON HOLD, While Florida Plans To Execute Record 19th Inmate 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:06.560 Hey there, folks. It is Tuesday, December sixteenth, and an 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:11.440 execution that was scheduled for tomorrow night has been halted 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:15.360 with just hours to spare. You could argue, but this 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:19.480 doesn't mean that this death row inmates life is about 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:22.599 to be spared with that. Welcome to this episode of 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:24.400 Amy and t J and Robes. This is happening. A 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:26.680 lot is happening with executions this year, just as now 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:29.920 we're getting a new report that shows support for the 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:33.239 death penalty is at the lowest level we've seen in 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:36.160 fifty years, but the numbers of executions at the highest 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:37.320 numbers we've seen are a lot. 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:41.280 That is a strange hyah, how do you make that 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:44.240 work shift there? Because it's interesting. You've got a state 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:47.919 like Florida and Governor DeSantis trying to say, hey, if 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:51.960 we are legalizing executions and we've sent people to death, 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:54.840 why are people on death row for up to four decades. 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:57.720 Let's get some closure and some justice for these families. 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:01.160 And so he's pushing a lot of execution forward. Number 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:04.800 nineteen is scheduled for later this week. But yeah, there's 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:07.160 been a lot of news, a lot of headlines and 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:10.880 a lot of questioning not just to the legality but 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:13.720 to the morality of what we do here in this country. 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:17.360 And look, that debate will of course continue. The other 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:19.880 part of that's come up in a handful of cases 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:23.160 literally is about guilt or innocence. Correct, that we're close 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:25.800 to possibly condemning someone and putting someone to death, it's 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:28.119 something that we can't take back with some questions about 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:31.160 their guilt or innocence. Now, this week we were supposed 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:34.280 to see Rope. Yes, Christmas is next week. We were 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:36.600 wrapping up the year here in this country by getting 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:39.440 two more executions on the books. That would have been 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:42.400 the forty seventh and forty eighth if I have that correct, 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:46.360 I say would have been because right now one has 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:49.240 been halted. And this was one rogues we were keeping 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:53.000 an eye on in Georgia that there were some questions 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:55.040 they were trying to get it stopped. But now another 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:56.640 reason has popped up. But we'll tell you who we're 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:57.080 talking about. 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:59.200 First of all, yes, we're talking about fifty two year 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:02.640 old Stacey See Humphreys. He was convicted in a double 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:06.200 murder back in two thousand and three. And yes, we've 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:08.320 seen his attorneys over the last couple of weeks, which 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:11.840 is very oftentimes the case, trying lots of different reasons 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:15.440 or ways to try and get this executed. Execution stayed 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:18.440 and he had a clemency hearing actually scheduled for today. 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:22.680 So his lawyers have been working diligently around the clock 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:25.680 trying to get some movement or at least trying to 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:30.239 stop the execution. And turns out something worked, at least temporarily. 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:33.000 So well, the courts had been turning them down left 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:35.160 and right. They were making all kinds of arguments about 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:39.440 the execution. Every judge, every court has said no, no, no, no, no. 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:42.520 Now something else has happened. Because there was an order 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:46.000 issued yesterday on Monday, again this is Monday, which would 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:49.359 have been two days before the planned execution. This Parole 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:54.239 Board issued an order suspending I think that's the word 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:59.359 they use, suspending his execution scheduled for tomorrow night. They 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:03.400 did this and didn't really give any clarity. They didn't 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:07.880 explain why, but they said his execution is now on. 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:11.800 Hold, correct, and his clemency hearing, which was scheduled for 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:17.960 today has been postponed until further notice. So they have 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:21.720 not said when they're going to reschedule that, and it 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:24.120 would appear as though you would need to have a 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:27.880 clemency hearing. And this was scheduled the day before his 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:31.359 scheduled execution. So if they can't put together the clemency hearing, 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:33.960 it makes a lot of sense why they had to 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:37.840 postpone his actual execution. Now here's the deal. They do 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:40.720 have a death warrant. I believe that was signed December third. 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:43.280 It was, It was signed a couple weeks ago, and 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:46.640 it's valid through noon on Christmas Eve. 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:48.720 So they have until then. 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:52.240 Literally to figure out what they're doing with this clemency hearing, 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:54.640 which would then clear the way for the execution. 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:56.840 Okay, well, if you just stopped there for a second, 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:01.000 he's going to make it to twenty twenty six. Who's 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:03.600 working on Christmas week trying to kill a guy? 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:07.640 And there's a lot of confusion as to what they 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:10.320 have to get in place in order to make this 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:12.560 clemency hearing fair. 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:14.360 And the guy we're talking about here, this is some 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:18.159 pretty heinous stuff. Malice murder, that is what they called 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:20.919 it down in Georgia. Malice murders what he was convicted 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:23.120 of in two thousand and three. Killed two women, young women, 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:26.440 Laurie Brown who's twenty one, Cindy Williams, thirty three. OK, 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.360 if you done down in those areas, you know, model homes, 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.480 a lot of subdivisions pop up and they put it's 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:35.440 usually kind of not a lot of traffic, to be honest, 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:37.680 in those neighborhoods. But the couple people, a couple of 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:41.360 real estate agents. They were stationed in a model home 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:44.480 trying to sell this neighborhood. He comes in, ties them up, 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.919 forces them to strip naked, essentially tortures them so that 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:51.640 they will give their pen numbers to their ATM and 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:53.520 sure enough later thousand of dollars are taken out of 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:57.280 their accounts. But he killed these women, shot these two women. 0:04:57.320 --> 0:04:59.279 That was the scene. So he is convicted of some 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:02.640 pretty horrific There's not questions at least in this about 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:03.440 guilt or innocence. 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:06.840 No. I believe he even admitted to police early on 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.800 that he was responsible and gave an explanation that he 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:11.839 needed that. I think he ended up getting three thousand 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:14.440 dollars and he needed that money because he had taken 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:17.440 out some high interest loans in a new vehicle, and 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:21.000 so just the callousness that he would just disregard to 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:24.920 young women's lives Cindy Williams thirty three, Lorie Brown, twenty one, 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:29.000 because he needed some cash to pay off some loans 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:33.159 that he had taken on irresponsibly. That's about as disgusting 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:33.679 as it gets. 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:35.440 So a lot of routes they tried, at least his 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:38.680 legal team in the courts failed, failed, failed every time 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:43.080 along the way. But this is why now it appears 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:47.800 he had a shot to survive. I guess Robes just 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:51.680 passed tomorrow because the reasons now it's been halted don't 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:55.960 necessarily point to his innocence or a court action. This 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:58.520 seems Robes, it seems to me just a delay. Is 0:05:58.560 --> 0:05:59.840 not fair to say this is just a dela. 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:01.719 It seems as though this is inevitable. 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:04.479 It is almost certainly going to happen, because, yes, it's 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:07.000 not a question of guilt or innocence. It's not a 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:09.360 question as to whether or not he received a fair trial. 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:13.000 It's not a question about anything that Typically we would 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:17.839 see execution stayed for and a life in prison sentence 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:20.800 imposed in lieu of an execution. 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:22.159 That is not this case. 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:25.839 This is about a parole board, which is comprised of 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:30.200 five members, and he would need three of those board 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:33.240 members to say and to vote for clemency for him 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:36.640 to have a shot at not being executed on Wednesday, 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:39.440 which was when he was originally scheduled for. But now 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:42.279 two of those members, they claim his lawyer's team claim, 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:45.320 have a conflict of interest in making their decision. 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:50.200 So yes, if two of the five needs to recuse themselves, 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:53.080 then there's only three people left on the board to vote. 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:56.520 His attorneys arguing he has the right to a full 0:06:57.000 --> 0:07:00.960 five members, and that is why we have a delay. 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:03.200 They're trying to figure out how much time do we 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:05.640 get to possibly get two more in there. There are 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:07.960 folks from the state who are arguing there's nothing that 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:12.120 says he is legally has the right to five people 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:15.520 three can vote, So that is the hold up. But 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:19.400 it does appear at least right now he is going 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:22.080 to live to I don't know, to fight another day. 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:24.800 But he is going to get to live another day 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.320 because it is the understanding he is going to get 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:30.960 a clemency hearing. When can you put this together quickly enough? 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:33.920 The judge say, quickly enough. Now just the three is fine, 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:36.800 and then where's everybody going on for Christmas? What's happening? 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:38.800 And clock is ticking. We got to kill this guy 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:41.520 before Santa Coms is what we're up against in Georgia. 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:44.280 It's a a cob deadline this time of year certainly 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:47.440 to even consider. But yes, I mean it looked as though, 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:49.320 I mean, it was curious to me that the parole 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:51.800 board decided to go ahead, maybe just out of an 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:54.720 abundance of caution, to just go ahead and say, let's 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:57.360 just put this on pause, because it does seem as 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:00.400 though the three members would be enough, according to state 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:03.200 law for him to get a fair shake at clemency, 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:05.360 to have those three members say yes or no. 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:07.480 Would you want the five though if you're like. 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:09.560 Of course you would, of course you would yes. 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.320 And maybe you take inventory. Maybe the two that got 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:15.600 dumped off weren't even fans of yours in the first place. 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:19.080 The interesting thing is the one of the of the 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:22.600 board members actually recused herself. She recognized that there could 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:24.920 be an appearance of impropriety, even though she said I 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:26.760 would be able to make this. She was a victim's 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:30.560 advocate at the same time surrounding his case, so she 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:33.400 had personal ties to the case. The other member was, 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:36.120 I believe, the acting sheriff in the county where his 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:37.560 trial was moved to. 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:40.239 And so he's saying. 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:44.000 Look, if he oversaw protecting the jurors and protecting people 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:45.600 who were a part of the trial, that maybe he 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:49.800 would have an unfair view of this man and what 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:52.520 he did because he was connected to the case on 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:55.840 a level where he was dealing with jurors and potentially victims, etc. 0:08:56.679 --> 0:09:00.080 Look, when we've said plenty of times here, if this 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:03.040 is a matter of killing someone, why not take your 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:05.320 time in the final days and weeks to get it right. 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:07.800 And so if they're getting it right, that's fine, But 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:12.400 it is fascinating Robes to imagine that they are up 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.480 against the clock in Georgia. If we want to kill 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:18.920 this guy, we need to do it before everybody goes 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:22.240 to sleep on Christmas Eve, like the death ways noon, right, 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:24.720 and on Christmas Eve is when it expired. That's just 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:27.680 so he is waiting to if he makes it to 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:31.320 Christmas Eve at noon, he'll survive to the need. That 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:35.320 is macab That is just Look, the crime is horrific. 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:36.920 This is not what we're doing, but we are. This 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:41.240 is state sanctioned killing that we're doing here, and so 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:43.560 it just something about that just feels icky as hell. 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:46.480 Yes, and look, he's I know this sounds crazy, but 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:48.800 he's been on death row. I at least these crime, 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:52.040 this crime happened twenty two years ago, compared to some 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:55.960 of the time. We've seen plenty of inmates this year 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:57.760 who ended up being executed on death row. 0:09:57.840 --> 0:09:59.960 We were talking three decades, even four decades. 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:02.719 I remember thirty seven years on one. Do you remember one? 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:05.079 Worse more, there was in forty something years I believe 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:08.120 one of them this year. So yes, it was the 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:11.000 one where the father of the child who was killed 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:16.160 actually perished. Three judges perished, like everyone involved in the 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:18.840 trial had died, and he was waiting. It was forty 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:22.760 something years, so yes, twenty two years. What's another month 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:26.319 or two to make sure that this is done correctly. 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:29.880 Well, he was one you and I had planned we 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:32.640 were going to do a preview of this execution. Look, 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:34.199 because of a lot of the legal things that had 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:38.720 come up, but also it is always a public fascination 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:42.200 with the final meal, and it's bizarre to a certain degree, 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:46.720 but it's also understandable. It's human nature to it's something 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:49.120 we can't relate to. We don't know what that's like, 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:51.360 and it's kind of related in, kind of steeped in 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:54.240 religion as well. A last meal, a final supper kind 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:56.840 of a thing, and some argue it's just something we 0:10:57.000 --> 0:11:01.320 use to make the public feel better about what we're 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:01.959 about to do. 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:03.880 I was just going to say it, does it relieve 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:07.840 some guilt that we give these the worst of the worst, 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:12.040 these notorious killers, who've been convicted of the most heinous crimes, 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:14.640 that somehow we give them one last little bit of 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.040 pleasure before we kill them, That somehow that makes us 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:19.760 feel better about what we're doing. I don't know, but yeah, 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:22.439 we were going to do an entire podcast on last 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:27.440 meals because this particular inmate, Stacy Humphries, was making headlines 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:30.400 for what he was requesting and what it seemed as 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:32.720 though the Department of Corrections in Georgia was going to 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:33.160 give him. 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.280 Have you seen one more a bigger one, or more 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:39.280 fascinating one than this one? We've seen a lot over 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:42.280 the years, not just this year, but I can't remember 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:42.920 one quite like that. 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:45.960 This was the most jaw dropping last meal request I 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:46.640 have seen, and. 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:48.480 One that it seemed as though the date was going 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:52.680 to honor just because of its size. It was. I 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:55.040 guess gludness is how a lot of people would have 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:55.360 put it. 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:59.800 And OBEs, yes, described he's a large man six two 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:03.120 three hundred pounds or so, so but his even still 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:06.959 his last meal request was a lot. So here's what 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:12.840 actually Georgia put out as his last meal. Barbecue, beef brisket, 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:19.400 pork ribs, bacon, double cheese, burger, french fries, coleslaw, cornbread, 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:24.920 buffalo wings, meat lover's pan, pizza, vanilla ice cream, and 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:26.480 two lemon lime sodas. 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:28.360 Have you ever seen anything like that? 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:30.600 Oh? H and haven't seen anyone? I mean, good for him, 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:33.160 he's not going out with the steak tartar, I mean, 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:35.880 why the hell? I mean, go crazy And that last 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:37.640 moment's almost like he's trying to eat himself to death 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:41.600 before the execution. But that's incredible. If they are, they 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:45.360 put it out there. Maybe they will, and some will argue, 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:48.760 why are we given anybody any comfort in the last 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:51.320 second given what they have done? I don't know. Maybe 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:53.960 because we're supposed to be better than they are. Maybe 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:56.079 because we're supposed to be a little decent, a little human. 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:58.719 I don't know what Georgia's rules are, but rules I 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:03.520 didn't realize stay vary on how much they will let 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:05.520 them get away with, but generally it seems like they 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:10.120 like to make these requests happen. I don't know Georgia's 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:14.480 limit on the cost. Florida has a forty dollars one. 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:17.480 I think a couple other states have a fifteen or 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:20.760 twenty five dollars one, but I don't know if it's unlimited. 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:23.040 I think we need to do a podcast on this, because, 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:25.000 I mean, I don't know why. It's fascinating, but it 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.400 is to see what we're willing to spend, what length 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.040 we're willing to go to do we order out from restaurants? 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:32.400 Does it have to be made within a prison kitchen? 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.640 As you point out, different states have different rules, and 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:37.280 this one is exceptional. 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:41.600 And of course in the middle of this, Texas obviously 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:45.160 on last meals, they have by far executed more people 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:48.280 than any other state since the death penalty was reinstated 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:52.960 in nineteen seventy six. They stopped this robes legislation. Some 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:56.839 state centator got pissed because a death row inmate ordered 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.800 some big, extravagant meal and didn't need it, so it 0:13:59.880 --> 0:14:02.800 was a waste. Came back. They have passed legislation you 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:07.040 do not get a last meal in Texas. I get that, 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:11.080 though it's cafeteria food is the standard thing. Some people 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:13.319 do will say that makes sense. Some people hear that 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:14.760 I didn't know about this, like, oh. 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:17.640 Well, look, if you're going to stand by your death 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:23.000 penalty and stand by the executions of convicted killers, then 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:26.280 I understand with that same reasoning in mind, why would 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:29.320 you give them some sort of pleasure before you kill them? 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:32.720 Did they afford that to their victims. I'm sure that's 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:35.080 not the case, But I was going to ask, could 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:38.280 any human being eat all of that food? First of all, 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:40.720 I wouldn't even have an appetite if I were about 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:41.560 to be executed. 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:43.320 That's why they said the guy in Texas didn't eat. 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:46.480 Yeah, because I get that when I'm stressed or upset 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:48.600 or nervous or anxious, I cannot. 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:50.400 Eat one more note there. Some states have gone to 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:52.560 given the meal a day or two ahead of time, 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:56.960 not on the day, because obviously they wouldn't have appetime. 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:59.840 Yeah, that seems remarkable and yes, all of this food. 0:14:59.880 --> 0:15:02.440 I I could have been starved in the desert for 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:04.880 two weeks and I couldn't finish half of that, So 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:08.600 that seems excessive. And that's why I'm just curious why 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.440 Georgia put that out there and said here's what he's 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:13.640 asking for, and they didn't say they weren't going to 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:15.200 give it to him. I just thought that was maybe 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:18.000 they were testing to see what public reaction would be like. 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:19.800 I don't know, but it was baffling. 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:22.600 All right, Well, folks, stay with us here because as 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:25.520 we wrap up this year, one of the primary resources, 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:27.800 a great resource for all the information having to do 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:30.120 with executions here in the United States. They have put 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:33.800 out their annual report and it's pretty shocking to see 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:36.720 how the numbers of executions have gone up so much, 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:40.640 but the number of people supporting the death penalty has 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:52.360 gone down. Stay here, all right, We continue here on 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:54.840 Amy and TJ talking about the execution in Georgia that 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:59.720 has now been postponed. As they're trying to I guess 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:01.960 some eyes and cross some te's and make sure they're 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:05.080 doing everything wrong a postponed clemency hearing they're in Georgia. 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:07.200 We will wait to see what happens. We were just talking. 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:09.120 I forgot about this roges. We're talking about last meal 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:11.560 requests and this guy in Georgia had a buffet that 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:16.720 he ordered. Part where we were talking where this history, 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:20.280 where the ritual come from. It's based somewhere in nineteenth century, 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:23.360 somewhere in Europe, where they would do this to people 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:26.120 who were condemned because they thought they were appeasing their 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:28.000 spirits and they wouldn't come back and haunt them. 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.000 Essentially, you know what, that makes the most sense out 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:30.600 of anything. 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:33.760 Guilt, So like, either it's guilt we feel about what 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:35.160 we're about to do to you, so let's just give 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:37.200 you this meal, or hey, let me make sure I 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:41.320 don't get cursed because or haunted later because I just 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:42.360 killed you for me. 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:44.960 That makes way more sense. 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:48.440 It's about, yes, the person trying to feel better about 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:50.880 what they're about to do, including the entire state. 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:54.520 Yes, right, we did mention. It's supposed to be forty 0:16:54.600 --> 0:17:00.800 eight scheduled death penalty executions this year. Tomorrow would have 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:04.440 been forty seven. With the guy in Georgia, that one's postponed, 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:09.560 so now the next one would be Thursday, Florida, No kidding, 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:12.479 would be doing the last one of the year. If 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:14.199 that one goes through, so we would end up with 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:18.200 that would be the forty seventh then, but Robes for 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:21.600 Florida makes sense that they've had their record year, they're 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:23.600 going to wrap it up for the country and they'll 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:26.960 be the last execution of the year, blowing away their 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:28.040 previous record. 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:30.560 Yes, this is And by the way, Florida, you have 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:33.480 this stat in here with nineteen executions this year. Again, 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:37.399 if Thursday's execution takes place, that's forty percent of the 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:39.600 national total this year. 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:40.560 That is remarkable. 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:43.400 And by the way, it looks as though this Thursday 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:46.000 execution is going to go forward. With Frank Wallace, he's 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:49.920 fifty eight years old. The Florida Supreme Court just refused 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:53.440 his last appeal for his execution to be stayed. 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:54.959 But he did have a couple good points. 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:58.879 He was nineteen at the time of the murders, and 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:02.840 his lawyers have argued that he's intellectually disabled. He's one 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:05.480 of those ones, whereas IQ is seventy two, seventy four, 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:08.320 and we know right now the Supreme Court had ruled 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:13.040 seventy was where you can be considered intellectually disabled enough 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:16.520 to not be eligible for execution, So he's right on 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:19.240 the margins there. But so far it looks as though 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:21.480 that execution is going to go forward. 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:22.879 And I will pick up on that point you just 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:26.600 made as we want to share some some info, some 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:30.200 headlines from the annual report from the Death Penalty Information 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:32.359 Center if you don't know them, if you want to 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:35.000 know anything about executions in this country. Again, it's called 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:38.040 Death Penalty Information Center, and it is incredible source of 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:42.320 information that just a database of upcoming executions, past executions, 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:45.440 every state, all the history, even all of the inmates. 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:47.160 It really is a good resource. But they put out 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:49.520 their annual report robes and I'll start. We'll what you 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:51.600 were just saying about the Supreme Court didn't realize they 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:54.320 did not stay a single execution this year. 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:58.120 A conservative leaning Supreme Court. I guess that shouldn't be shocking, 0:18:58.400 --> 0:18:58.960 not one. 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:01.960 I don't know what the history was previous years, but 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:05.240 you got forty eight. They didn't listen to one of them, 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:07.840 and didn't we have several where we heard dissenting voices. 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:10.679 We're on the Supreme Court. We're trying to step in. 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.320 Yes, correct, the liberal leaning justices. A couple of Times 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:19.280 wrote some scathing descents basically to say that they disagreed 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:22.479 with going forward with the execution and the two that 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:26.160 we did see stay. Those executions that we covered were 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:29.960 governors intervening, the state intervening, certainly not the Supreme Court 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:30.720 of the United States. 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:33.240 That was one of the headlines from their annual report. Also, 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:36.159 just the note here, twenty five executions last year we 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:39.080 already mentioned, forty eight were expected here in this year. 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:41.960 That's a huge jump. And here is the thing, where 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:45.240 are we on public support for the death penalty. They're 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:48.679 telling us now that support for the death penalties at 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:52.200 fifty two percent. Those who now in this country say 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:55.760 they are opposed are at forty four percent in robes. 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:57.840 They say that's the highest number we have seen in 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:00.480 some fifty years in the country. 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:00.960 Wow. 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:04.040 And do they give a reason behind it? Just maybe 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:06.679 there's more public information all over. 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:11.160 Time, sentiment over time, people younger people are more against it. Also, 0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:13.720