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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Tuesday, December sixteenth, and an

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Speaker 1: with just hours to spare. You could argue, but this

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that this death row inmates life is about

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Speaker 1: to be spared with that. Welcome to this episode of

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Speaker 1: Amy and t J and Robes. This is happening. A

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Speaker 1: lot is happening with executions this year, just as now

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Speaker 1: we're getting a new report that shows support for the

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Speaker 1: death penalty is at the lowest level we've seen in

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Speaker 1: fifty years, but the numbers of executions at the highest

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Speaker 1: numbers we've seen are a lot.

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Speaker 2: That is a strange hyah, how do you make that

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Speaker 2: work shift there? Because it's interesting. You've got a state

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Speaker 2: like Florida and Governor DeSantis trying to say, hey, if

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Speaker 2: we are legalizing executions and we've sent people to death,

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Speaker 2: why are people on death row for up to four decades.

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Speaker 2: Let's get some closure and some justice for these families.

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Speaker 2: And so he's pushing a lot of execution forward. Number

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Speaker 2: nineteen is scheduled for later this week. But yeah, there's

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Speaker 2: been a lot of news, a lot of headlines and

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Speaker 2: a lot of questioning not just to the legality but

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Speaker 2: to the morality of what we do here in this country.

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Speaker 1: And look, that debate will of course continue. The other

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Speaker 1: part of that's come up in a handful of cases

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Speaker 1: literally is about guilt or innocence. Correct, that we're close

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Speaker 1: to possibly condemning someone and putting someone to death, it's

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Speaker 1: something that we can't take back with some questions about

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Speaker 1: their guilt or innocence. Now, this week we were supposed

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Speaker 1: to see Rope. Yes, Christmas is next week. We were

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Speaker 1: wrapping up the year here in this country by getting

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Speaker 1: two more executions on the books. That would have been

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Speaker 1: the forty seventh and forty eighth if I have that correct,

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Speaker 1: I say would have been because right now one has

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Speaker 1: been halted. And this was one rogues we were keeping

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Speaker 1: an eye on in Georgia that there were some questions

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Speaker 1: they were trying to get it stopped. But now another

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Speaker 1: reason has popped up. But we'll tell you who we're

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Speaker 2: First of all, yes, we're talking about fifty two year

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Speaker 2: old Stacey See Humphreys. He was convicted in a double

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Speaker 2: murder back in two thousand and three. And yes, we've

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Speaker 2: seen his attorneys over the last couple of weeks, which

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Speaker 2: is very oftentimes the case, trying lots of different reasons

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Speaker 2: or ways to try and get this executed. Execution stayed

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Speaker 2: and he had a clemency hearing actually scheduled for today.

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Speaker 2: So his lawyers have been working diligently around the clock

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Speaker 2: trying to get some movement or at least trying to

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Speaker 1: So well, the courts had been turning them down left

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Speaker 1: and right. They were making all kinds of arguments about

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Speaker 1: the execution. Every judge, every court has said no, no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: Now something else has happened. Because there was an order

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Speaker 1: issued yesterday on Monday, again this is Monday, which would

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Speaker 1: have been two days before the planned execution. This Parole

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Speaker 1: Board issued an order suspending I think that's the word

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Speaker 1: they use, suspending his execution scheduled for tomorrow night. They

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Speaker 1: did this and didn't really give any clarity. They didn't

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Speaker 2: Hold, correct, and his clemency hearing, which was scheduled for

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Speaker 2: today has been postponed until further notice. So they have

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Speaker 2: not said when they're going to reschedule that, and it

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Speaker 2: would appear as though you would need to have a

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Speaker 2: clemency hearing. And this was scheduled the day before his

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Speaker 2: it makes a lot of sense why they had to

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Speaker 2: postpone his actual execution. Now here's the deal. They do

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Speaker 2: have a death warrant. I believe that was signed December third.

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Speaker 2: It was, It was signed a couple weeks ago, and

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Speaker 2: it's valid through noon on Christmas Eve.

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Speaker 3: So they have until then.

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Speaker 2: Literally to figure out what they're doing with this clemency hearing,

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Speaker 2: which would then clear the way for the execution.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, if you just stopped there for a second,

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Speaker 1: he's going to make it to twenty twenty six. Who's

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Speaker 2: And there's a lot of confusion as to what they

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Speaker 1: And the guy we're talking about here, this is some

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Speaker 1: pretty heinous stuff. Malice murder, that is what they called

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Speaker 1: of in two thousand and three. Killed two women, young women,

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Speaker 1: if you done down in those areas, you know, model homes,

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Speaker 1: their accounts. But he killed these women, shot these two women.

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Speaker 1: That was the scene. So he is convicted of some

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Speaker 2: No. I believe he even admitted to police early on

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Speaker 2: so just the callousness that he would just disregard to

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Speaker 2: that he had taken on irresponsibly. That's about as disgusting

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Speaker 1: So a lot of routes they tried, at least his

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Speaker 1: along the way. But this is why now it appears

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Speaker 1: necessarily point to his innocence or a court action. This

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Speaker 1: seems Robes, it seems to me just a delay. Is

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Speaker 1: not fair to say this is just a dela.

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Speaker 3: It seems as though this is inevitable.

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Speaker 2: It is almost certainly going to happen, because, yes, it's

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Speaker 2: not a question of guilt or innocence. It's not a

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Speaker 2: question as to whether or not he received a fair trial.

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Speaker 2: It's not a question about anything that Typically we would

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Speaker 2: see execution stayed for and a life in prison sentence

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Speaker 2: imposed in lieu of an execution.

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Speaker 3: That is not this case.

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Speaker 2: This is about a parole board, which is comprised of

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Speaker 2: five members, and he would need three of those board

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Speaker 2: to have a shot at not being executed on Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: which was when he was originally scheduled for. But now

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Speaker 2: two of those members, they claim his lawyer's team claim,

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Speaker 2: have a conflict of interest in making their decision.

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Speaker 1: So yes, if two of the five needs to recuse themselves,

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Speaker 1: then there's only three people left on the board to vote.

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Speaker 1: His attorneys arguing he has the right to a full

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Speaker 1: They're trying to figure out how much time do we

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Speaker 1: get to possibly get two more in there. There are

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Speaker 1: it does appear at least right now he is going

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Speaker 1: to live to I don't know, to fight another day.

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Speaker 1: But he is going to get to live another day

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Speaker 1: because it is the understanding he is going to get

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Speaker 1: a clemency hearing. When can you put this together quickly enough?

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Speaker 1: The judge say, quickly enough. Now just the three is fine,

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Speaker 1: and then where's everybody going on for Christmas? What's happening?

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Speaker 1: And clock is ticking. We got to kill this guy

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Speaker 1: before Santa Coms is what we're up against in Georgia.

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Speaker 2: It's a a cob deadline this time of year certainly

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Speaker 2: to even consider. But yes, I mean it looked as though,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was curious to me that the parole

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Speaker 2: abundance of caution, to just go ahead and say, let's

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Speaker 2: just put this on pause, because it does seem as

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Speaker 2: though the three members would be enough, according to state

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Speaker 2: law for him to get a fair shake at clemency,

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Speaker 2: to have those three members say yes or no.

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Speaker 1: Would you want the five though if you're like.

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Speaker 3: Of course you would, of course you would yes.

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Speaker 1: And maybe you take inventory. Maybe the two that got

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Speaker 2: The interesting thing is the one of the of the

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Speaker 2: be an appearance of impropriety, even though she said I

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Speaker 2: would be able to make this. She was a victim's

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Speaker 2: had personal ties to the case. The other member was,

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Speaker 2: I believe, the acting sheriff in the county where his

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Speaker 3: And so he's saying.

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Speaker 2: Look, if he oversaw protecting the jurors and protecting people

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Speaker 2: would have an unfair view of this man and what

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Speaker 2: he did because he was connected to the case on

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Speaker 2: a level where he was dealing with jurors and potentially victims, etc.

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Speaker 1: Look, when we've said plenty of times here, if this

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Speaker 1: And so if they're getting it right, that's fine, But

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Speaker 1: it is fascinating Robes to imagine that they are up

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Speaker 1: against the clock in Georgia. If we want to kill

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Speaker 1: to sleep on Christmas Eve, like the death ways noon, right,

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Speaker 1: and on Christmas Eve is when it expired. That's just

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Speaker 1: Christmas Eve at noon, he'll survive to the need. That

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Speaker 1: is macab That is just Look, the crime is horrific.

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Speaker 1: This is not what we're doing, but we are. This

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Speaker 1: is state sanctioned killing that we're doing here, and so

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Speaker 1: it just something about that just feels icky as hell.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and look, he's I know this sounds crazy, but

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Speaker 2: he's been on death row. I at least these crime,

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Speaker 2: this crime happened twenty two years ago, compared to some

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Speaker 2: of the time. We've seen plenty of inmates this year

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Speaker 2: who ended up being executed on death row.

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Speaker 3: We were talking three decades, even four decades.

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Speaker 1: I remember thirty seven years on one. Do you remember one?

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Speaker 2: Worse more, there was in forty something years I believe

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Speaker 2: actually perished. Three judges perished, like everyone involved in the

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Speaker 2: trial had died, and he was waiting. It was forty

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Speaker 2: something years, so yes, twenty two years. What's another month

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Speaker 2: or two to make sure that this is done correctly.

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Speaker 1: Well, he was one you and I had planned we

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Speaker 1: were going to do a preview of this execution. Look,

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Speaker 1: because of a lot of the legal things that had

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Speaker 1: come up, but also it is always a public fascination

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Speaker 1: with the final meal, and it's bizarre to a certain degree,

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Speaker 1: but it's also understandable. It's human nature to it's something

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Speaker 1: we can't relate to. We don't know what that's like,

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Speaker 1: and it's kind of related in, kind of steeped in

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Speaker 1: religion as well. A last meal, a final supper kind

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Speaker 2: I was just going to say it, does it relieve

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Speaker 1: Have you seen one more a bigger one, or more

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Speaker 2: This was the most jaw dropping last meal request I

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Speaker 3: One that it seemed as though the date was going

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Speaker 2: And OBEs, yes, described he's a large man six two

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Speaker 3: Have you ever seen anything like that?

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Speaker 1: And of course in the middle of this, Texas obviously

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Speaker 2: Well, look, if you're going to stand by your death

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Speaker 1: That's why they said the guy in Texas didn't eat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that seems remarkable and yes, all of this food.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but it was baffling.

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Speaker 1: Amy and TJ talking about the execution in Georgia that

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Speaker 1: We will wait to see what happens. We were just talking.

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Speaker 1: I forgot about this roges. We're talking about last meal

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Speaker 3: Essentially, you know what, that makes the most sense out

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Speaker 2: Guilt, So like, either it's guilt we feel about what

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Speaker 3: That makes way more sense.

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Speaker 2: It's about, yes, the person trying to feel better about

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Speaker 1: Yes, right, we did mention. It's supposed to be forty

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is And by the way, Florida, you have

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Speaker 1: That was one of the headlines from their annual report. Also,

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Speaker 2: their mental needs when they come back.

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Speaker 1: There was a high historical number. I can't remember the

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Speaker 1: I can't put it in the right context, but this

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Speaker 1: was a high number historically based on previous years. And

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Speaker 1: that is that's that's that's a disproportionate representation of death

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Speaker 1: row inmates, ten out of the forty eight.

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Speaker 2: That's so terrible with math, But what is that percentage?

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Speaker 1: It's right, that's twenty percent. That's incredibly somebody needs to

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Speaker 1: look into that. I hope they are working on studying that.

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Speaker 1: That is disturbing to think, but that's a disproportionate number. Folks,

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Speaker 1: We look, we always appreciate you. This was something I

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Speaker 1: guess Robes we didn't intend to at the beginning of

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Speaker 1: the year, but we kind of fell into as more

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Speaker 1: and more cases came up, and more and more executions

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Speaker 1: were planned, and more and more, frankly, questions came up

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Speaker 1: about a lot of them. This is something we kind

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Speaker 1: of been diving into this year and followed a bunch

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Speaker 1: of a bunch of executions, and crazy as it sounds,

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Speaker 1: there was some relief the young man that these sentence

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Speaker 1: was commuted to life. It seemed like the right thing.

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Speaker 1: You remember the one who his brother was on Yes, yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: for that crime. It's not like we're rooting for one

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Speaker 1: way or another kind of a thing. And there are

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Speaker 1: victims involved in all these but man, when it comes

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Speaker 1: to killing somebody state sanctioned and we're supposed all be

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Speaker 1: on board with this thing, it just we got to

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Speaker 1: get it right. We have to be one hundred percent correct.

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Speaker 2: And we've said this in both of the cases where

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Speaker 2: the executions were stayed. Both of the victims families were

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Speaker 2: very much in favor of the person convicted of killing

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Speaker 2: their loved one to not die, that there was value

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Speaker 2: in their life, that there was value in them being

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Speaker 2: able to either be a cautionary tale for others or

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Speaker 2: at least helping other inmates who are going to go

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Speaker 2: off and live better lives, that there was value in

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Speaker 2: them living versus seeing them die. And so we've said

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Speaker 2: that seems to be something that should be considered in

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Speaker 2: every case. Let the victim's family have a say in

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Speaker 2: what happens.

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Speaker 1: What was the sad one now I can't remember. I

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Speaker 1: think it was Florida where the guy was desperate to meet.

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Speaker 3: He murdered his mother.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, gas station robbery, and he ended up through letters

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Speaker 2: because he wasn't allowed to meet him. For all the

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Speaker 2: reasons why they keep safety protocols in place where victim's

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Speaker 2: family members cannot meet someone on death row who's convicted

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Speaker 2: of killing their loved one. That makes sense. But he

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Speaker 2: actually developed a relationship with this man, this inmate before

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Speaker 2: he died and was begging the governor not or at

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Speaker 2: least to stay his execution. But it didn't happen. That

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Speaker 2: was one of the sadder stories that we told. But

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Speaker 2: certainly I do believe, and I know you do too,

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Speaker 2: that this is something that our country has legalized, This

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Speaker 2: is still something that the majority of American support. We

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Speaker 2: should be able to talk about these stories. Should it should?

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Speaker 2: You should know how it happens. You should know what happens.

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Speaker 2: You should know who we're killing and why we're killing them.

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Speaker 2: It's all a part of at least bolstering what you

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Speaker 2: already believe or questioning what you think you know. Those

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Speaker 2: are both very important things to do.

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Speaker 1: All right, folks, who will continue to keep an eye

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Speaker 1: on and update you about what happens in Florida on

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Speaker 1: Thursday as well, and again as a reminder, top right

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