1 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. A listener mail. 3 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: This is Robert Lamb. 4 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 3: And this is Joe McCormick. And it's Monday, the day 5 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 3: of each week we read back some messages from the 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 3: Stuff to Blow your Mind mail bag. If you would 7 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 3: like to get in touch, and you've never done it before, 8 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 3: why not give it a try. You can reach us 9 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 3: at contact at stuff to blow your Mind dot com. 10 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 3: All kinds of messages are fair game. If you have corrections, 11 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 3: suggestions for future topics, feedback on a recent show, whatever 12 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 3: it is, send it on in. Let's see rob Do 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 3: you mind if I get started with this message from 14 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 3: Stephanie about our episodes on whale spouts, Yeah, let's have it. 15 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 3: So this is responding to a couple of shows we 16 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 3: did based on a chapter in Moby Dick where the 17 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 3: narrator describes the whales blowhole and what comes out of it. 18 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,959 Speaker 3: Among many strange claims made in that chapter was that 19 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 3: whale blow was poisonous, that if it went in your 20 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 3: eyes it would blind you, and in some cases if 21 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 3: it touched the skin of say the arm or the hand, 22 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 3: it would cause your skin to peel off. In short, 23 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 3: none of this is really true, but after some research, 24 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 3: we did wonder if these claims might be based on 25 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 3: stories of people having skin rashes, conjunctividis, and other topical 26 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 3: infections after exposure to whales, which is a well documented 27 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 3: phenomenon among people who handle marine mammals directly. You can 28 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 3: get zoonotic infections, skin rashes, and so forth from them. 29 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 3: Stephanie says, Hi, Robin Joe, thanks for another series of 30 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 3: fascinating episodes on whales. I'm no biologist, but an alternate 31 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 3: explanation for Ishmael's suggestion that whale blow is poisonous occurred 32 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 3: to me. Could it not just be the extreme pressure 33 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 3: of the air slash mucus expulsion that caused the side 34 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 3: effects described? According to this Quebec research bureau, and she 35 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 3: includes a link, whales can spout air from their lungs 36 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 3: at a rate of seven hundred and twenty kilometers per hour. 37 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 3: I can imagine that sticking your arm into a seven 38 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,399 Speaker 3: hundred and twenty kilometer per hour jet of air could 39 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 3: give you some pretty serious road rash or air rash. 40 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 3: Sticking your eyes directly in front of this jet of 41 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 3: air seems like it could lead to temporary or permanent 42 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 3: blindness too. Thanks as always for expanding my horizons of interest, Stephanie. Well, 43 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 3: thanks for the message, Stephanie. Yeah, on that question, I 44 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 3: really just don't know it. That does seem like very 45 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 3: you know, that would be an extreme blast. It does, 46 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 3: you know, it exceeds hurricane wind speeds. But there are 47 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 3: also plenty of modern day accounts of people who take 48 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 3: whale spout blasts to the face or to the skin, 49 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 3: and it doesn't usually seem to cause immediate physical injury, 50 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 3: at least in the cases we've seen or read about. 51 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 3: But on the other hand, yeah, it's hard to say 52 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 3: for sure, Like this is a case where I would 53 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 3: love to hear from somebody who does have a lot 54 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 3: of direct experience working with whales or handling marine mammals. 55 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 2: All right, and now we're going to get into some 56 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 2: of the listener mail that we've been receiving regarding our 57 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 2: episodes on the moons of Uranus. So yeah, let's see 58 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 2: where should we start with these? I guess I'll start 59 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 2: with this one from Joseph. Joseph writes, I first found 60 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 2: your podcast in twenty fifteen due to Your Saturn's Brood 61 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: and Children of Jupiter episodes. Great episodes, and I was 62 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 2: very excited to listen to this week's Uranus moon episode. 63 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 2: The Greek god is pronounced your anus. The NASA official 64 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 2: pronunciation is your anus. I should add this Joseph is 65 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 2: spelling this out as your anus. Most people, including myself, 66 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: say urine us spelled out as in p and us 67 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 2: to make it more palatable in the English language. The 68 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 2: true proper pronunciation is your anus according to NASA scientists, 69 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: but most folks just say 'in US. German scientist Johann 70 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 2: erleit Bode proposed the name to name the planet Uranus, 71 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 2: and his associate Martin Heinrich Klaproth named the element uranium 72 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 2: in solidarity with him as a way to push the 73 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 2: establishment to accept the name Uranus or Uranus, which has 74 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 2: a near identical pronunciation in German, Uranus does not have 75 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 2: the same connotations as in American English. Can't wait to 76 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 2: listen to the rest of the episode. Keep up the 77 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 2: good work, best regards, Joseph. 78 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 3: This is interesting because this is in direct contradiction to 79 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 3: stuff we have heard from other listeners or stuff I've 80 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 3: read on the internet, so I don't know. People just 81 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 3: seem to be all over the place on what you're 82 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 3: supposed to say. 83 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm staying in the in the Urinus camp, though 84 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 2: firmly positioned there. 85 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 3: Yes, but thanks nonetheless, Joseph. We got the following message 86 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 3: from our listener Constantine about the pronunciation of the name 87 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 3: of the planet Uranus. Constantine says, Hello, gentlemen. Let me 88 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 3: begin with a simple thank you for your hard work 89 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 3: in putting out an informative, entertaining and addictive podcast. I've 90 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 3: been listening to you all since back when you were 91 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 3: a threesome, and your show continues to be on the 92 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 3: top of my weekly rotation of podcasts. Oh well, thank you, Constantine. 93 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 3: I recently heard your Moons of Urinus podcast, and once 94 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 3: again you fell into the rabbit hole of proper pronunciation. 95 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 3: The word Urinus does not even begin with a you, 96 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 3: but with an O in the original Greek, so the 97 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 3: pop popular English pronunciation is certainly questionable at best. As 98 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 3: a native Greek speaker, having been born in French Canada, 99 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 3: let me provide you with an official, bonafide, definitive opinion 100 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 3: of an answer as to how to best speak Greek 101 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:19,799 Speaker 3: in English. The answer is do with it as you will, ah, 102 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 3: the Satanic maxim of pronunciation. I like this level of license, 103 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 3: but constantine goes on. Much of Greek came to English 104 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 3: via those grand cultural appropriators, the Romans, and then back 105 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 3: in the eighteenth century or so, English intellectuals decided to 106 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 3: standardize English Greek with novel grammatical protocols. Not to bury 107 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 3: the headline, but this game of telephone went badly. To 108 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 3: begin with, Greek is not even a thing. The name 109 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 3: came from the Romans. There is not even a G 110 00:06:55,520 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 3: in Greek. We call ourselves Hellenes, and Greece is Hellas. Wait, 111 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 3: it gets worse. There is not even an H at 112 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 3: the start of the word Hellenic. Remember those English intellectuals 113 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 3: I mentioned earlier. They decided that words that begin with 114 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 3: the Greek epsilon or e will have a leading H 115 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 3: in English for reasons unfathomable. That's right, it's not Helen 116 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 3: of Troy. It is Ellen of Troy, speaking of H. 117 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 3: The Greek H or it's spelled chi. Here is that 118 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 3: chai or I don't know how to say that is 119 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 3: turned into a k sound in English. Yes, it is 120 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 3: pronounced character and r chitecture, not character and architecture. It 121 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 3: goes on and on like there are no d or 122 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 3: J in Greek. So it is not Delta or Jesus 123 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 3: christ either. It is thelta and eosus Christos. Yeah, you 124 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 3: can look it up while we're The real plural of 125 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 3: octopus is octopodia. So if all that got jumbled up, 126 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 3: what chance is there that Uranus's original Hellenic pronunciation of 127 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 3: uranos could possibly survive through Roman transmission and English quote greekification. 128 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 3: It can't. Don't fight it. Now more people pronounce it 129 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 3: Uranus than Uranos, and such as life, and if pedants 130 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 3: come along with an alternative pronunciation, tell them to quote 131 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 3: stick it up. Let's say Uranas, stick it up Uras. 132 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 3: As for us Helenes, we're just happy to be invited 133 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 3: to the party. Cheers, good folks, Constantine, Well, thank you, Constantine. 134 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 3: I'm sorry I probably also pronounced some of those Greek 135 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 3: words in your email wrong, but yeah, we're doing our 136 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 3: best here. There's there's a whole mess of trouble leading 137 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 3: up to everything happening with these words in our brains today. 138 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 2: All right. Constantine also adds ps monster factor is fund 139 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 2: short up your game people. Well, thank you. I'm glad 140 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 2: you enjoy it. They are short by design, but we're 141 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 2: going to continue to experiment with putting out omnibus episodes, 142 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 2: which take multiple related episodes from the past and cobble 143 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 2: them together into one episode. In fact, next week there 144 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 2: will be an omnibus episode of Vampires. 145 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,479 Speaker 3: Ooh nice. Well, actually, so since we did that, Constantine 146 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 3: includes several PS's, so we've got a PPS and stuff. 147 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 3: The PPS that he adds is that Urinus is simply 148 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 3: the word for sky and is still the word for 149 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 3: sky in modern Greek, and Guya is still our word 150 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 3: for earth, and yes, you spotted it. There is no 151 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 3: g in Greek. Are you ready for this? Gaia is 152 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 3: the poetic form of gamma eta and is pronounced ye okay, 153 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 3: I think poetic means quote, getting it wrong, So it 154 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 3: is Urinos and ye not Uranus and gaia, all right, 155 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 3: And there are several more yes as actually, but I 156 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 3: think we'll cap it there. 157 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 2: All right. This next one comes to us from Jared 158 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 2: another one responding to our episode on the Moons of Uranus. 159 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 2: Jared says, hey, guys really enjoyed these episodes and looking 160 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,599 Speaker 2: forward to more like them all right, well, we'll have 161 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 2: to come back to Neptune in the future. And then 162 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 2: Jared goes on to a comment about the Shakespearean names. 163 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 2: They write, quote, it was a compromise between Great Britain 164 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 2: and the rest of the European astronomers. Since they couldn't 165 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 2: call it George, it was agreed the moons would all 166 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 2: be named for British literary characters, at least according to 167 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 2: what I heard on doctor Neil Degrass Tyson's podcast, Keep 168 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 2: up the good Work. 169 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 3: Jared, Yeah, I've read something similar. So the idea was 170 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 3: that when William Herschel, the English astronomer, first discovered Uranus 171 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 3: as a planet, he wanted to call it, what would 172 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 3: Georgium seed Us I think, meaning the George Star, named 173 00:10:55,760 --> 00:11:00,559 Speaker 3: after King George of England. Which we found that idea 174 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 3: quite amusing. It's like, hey, let's you know, let's name 175 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 3: the planet Neptune Millard Fillmore Star or something. But yeah, 176 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 3: so it was agreed instead that the names would come 177 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 3: from from mythology instead of from you know, political figures, 178 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 3: to avoid having national rivalries appear in the heavens. And yeah, 179 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 3: that does seem to be the case, but I guess 180 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 3: it's maybe somewhat of a concession to Herschel's desire to 181 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 3: name it after the English king, to name it after 182 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 3: characters by an English playwright and poet, or not the planet. 183 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 3: I guess the moons. Okay, I think we're going to 184 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 3: cap the Urinus messages there. But we've got a whole 185 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 3: bunch of messages on hand about weird House cinema, so 186 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 3: maybe we should try to read some of those, including 187 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 3: some messages in response to Time cop So Lawrence writes, Hey, guys, 188 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 3: just listening now to your episode on time and you 189 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 3: said it's your fourth time travel film. Not to jump 190 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 3: down your throat or such, but you're not counting Santo 191 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 3: in The and the Treasure of Dracula, and I think 192 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 3: you ought to. Thanks Lawrence, Lawrence, Oh my god, you're correct. 193 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:16,559 Speaker 3: This must have been I don't remember which one of 194 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 3: us said that, but this must have been an oversight, 195 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 3: because it is true. Santo not only has a time 196 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 3: machine in that movie, I think he invents the time machine. 197 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 2: Yes, my apologies to the Saint. This was me forgetting 198 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 2: that Santo and the Treasure of Dracula was actually a 199 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 2: time travel film. Now I won't say it's one that 200 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 2: really does any hard thinking about time travel, but there 201 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 2: is a time machine. 202 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 3: And you know, thinking on it, somehow, that movie doesn't 203 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 3: really fit any of the story the main story categories 204 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 3: we talked about, or if it does it, it's not 205 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 3: really the main use of the time travel in it 206 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 3: is just like watching videos of the past, isn't it. 207 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 2: Yeah? But wasn't there also some like theft via time travel. 208 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 2: Wasn't that part of it? It's like we have found 209 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 2: Dracula's treasure in the past, we can steal it. 210 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 3: Maybe they saw where Dracula left his treasure in the 211 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 3: past which allowed them to go there in the present 212 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 3: to retrieve it. Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, it's it's been 213 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 3: a while. I could be remembering it wrong, but I 214 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 3: thought it was just like their time machine. Was you 215 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 3: were allowed to watch the past on TV? 216 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yes, all right, we're gonna have to revisit it, okay, 217 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 2: But you know, it does make me wonder if there 218 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 2: has been a if there been any other Dracula time 219 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 2: travel stories out there. It seems like there has to be, 220 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 2: and Dracula is a pretty popular character and for crying 221 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 2: out alloud Dracula is a character in Marvel comics. So yeah, so, 222 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 2: I mean that's how Blade started out battling Dracula. 223 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 3: I think so. 224 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 2: Given all the time travel, space alien stuff that goes 225 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 2: on in Marvel comics, there has to have been some 226 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 2: time travel with the old Drack at some point or another. 227 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 2: So comic book fans write in let us know. Yeah. 228 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 2: This next one comes to us from Thomas Hi, Robert, 229 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 2: and Joe. Your layout of time travel types in the 230 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 2: recent episode had me thinking. As you explain the arms 231 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 2: race time travel theme, it reminded reminds me of one 232 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 2: of my guilty pleasure films, the one well, not time travel, 233 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 2: but multiverse travel. It fits that core theme jet Lee, 234 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 2: as both protagonist and antagonist gets more and more powerful 235 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 2: a Lah Highlander quickening style, and with the killing of 236 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 2: their parallel selves across the multiverse. It's from the early 237 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 2: two thousands, but would not be out of place in 238 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 2: the eighties with some of the bright colors and comic 239 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 2: book darkness, fake grime, and spotless street scenes juxtaposed, and 240 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 2: also early though not young Jason Statham before he learned 241 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 2: to speak out the front of his mouth. I think 242 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 2: it fits Weird House Criteria. Check it out, Thomas, and 243 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 2: then there's a follow up. Sorry about the split emails, 244 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 2: but clearly I jumped the gun in my excitement. You 245 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 2: later in the episode ask about twin films, jet Lee 246 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 2: plays versions of himself matching up against each other. Does 247 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 2: that sound tempting? Three question marks. 248 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 3: I've never seen the one, but I've wanted to for 249 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 3: a long time. People have told me I would like it. 250 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean everything lines up here on paper for me. 251 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 2: Multiple jet Lee's love jet Lee, some sort of wonky 252 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 2: multiverse Highlander esque theme, and I'll take Statham as a side. 253 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 2: I guess I've enjoyed some State of the movies. Some 254 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 2: of the earliest States of the movies were at least fun. 255 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 2: And he was in John Carpenter's Ghosts of Mars. 256 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 3: Oh my god, you're right. He was in Ghosts of 257 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 3: Mars in two thousand and one, the same year he 258 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 3: was in The One. 259 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a big year. He was ascending but 260 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: had not yet reached that point. I remember reading that, 261 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 2: like John Carpenter was impressed by him, and it was like, 262 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 2: you know this, we need to we need to be 263 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 2: in the Jason State and business and they were like, well, 264 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 2: he's good, but we're in the ice Cube business on 265 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 2: this film. 266 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 3: I really wish I could. I could love Ghosts of 267 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 3: Mars more, either genuinely or ironically. Truth be told, it 268 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 3: is not that fun of a watch. It's kind of dull, 269 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 3: but there's stuff about it that just I wish I 270 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 3: could see it in a different way and love it more. 271 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 3: Like the thing. So, first of all, like, yeah, I 272 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 3: do love some of the cast. Ice Cube is in it, 273 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 3: Jason Stathum, Pam Greer, Pam Greer is in it. Yeah, 274 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 3: But the main thing I always remember is that ice 275 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 3: Cube's character is named Desolation Williams, and people refer to 276 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 3: him in the dialogue as Desolation, so they're just like, hey, hey, 277 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 3: they're Desolation. What's going on? 278 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think I've mentioned this perhaps and we've had 279 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 2: this exact same exchange before. But Alien Covenant, which there's 280 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 2: a lot I like about it, but there's a character 281 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 2: in that whose nickname is Tennessee. You can't have a 282 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 2: nickname with three syllables to it like that, dude would 283 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 2: be ten that would be his nickname, not Tennessee. 284 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 3: Right, Desolation has four. 285 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 2: Yeah too much? But yeah, I don't know. I haven't 286 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,959 Speaker 2: revisited Ghosts of Mars in a long time, but I mean, 287 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 2: on paper, yeah, good cast seems like a good concept. 288 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 2: The artist Gerald Brahm did some of the conceptual designs, 289 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 2: and I've always loved Gerald Bram's art. But yeah, I 290 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 2: don't know if it's aged enough for a revisit yet. 291 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm just over here dreaming up character names. I'm 292 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 3: gonna make a space action movie where the hero is 293 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 3: called di Apocalypticization Jones. 294 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 2: I like it as long as it's not his nickname. 295 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 2: I mean, according to the credits, Desolation is his first name. 296 00:17:55,280 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 2: It's not like he's Mike quote Desolation Jones. He's Desolation Jones, 297 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 2: Desolation William. Sorry, I'm getting to know. 298 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 3: No, No, you're wrong, I think, well, I just looked 299 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 3: at Wikipedia wiki claims he is James quote Desolation William. 300 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 2: All right, IMDb has it wrong, then, I don't know. 301 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 3: Maybe the wiki's wrong. Who knows. I don't know who 302 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 3: would just make up James though. Yeah, Okay. This next 303 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 3: message comes from Chris. Chris says, hello, Rob, Joe, and JJ. 304 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 3: You will never guess who I saw staring back at 305 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 3: me from the arts and Entertainment section of the Chicago 306 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,719 Speaker 3: Tribune today none other than the one and only bert 307 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 3: I Gordon in all his mustachioed glory. This must have 308 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 3: been a response to when we did Attacking the Puppet 309 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 3: People the bert Eye Gordon Shrink movie. Chris says, this 310 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 3: is definitely a guy I would want to have a 311 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 3: drink or three with. Couldn't pass up the opportunity to 312 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 3: share this weird bit of print media overlapping with my 313 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 3: digital media world. They did a great job sharing some 314 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 3: night color prints of his various movie posters as well. 315 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 3: Please see attached. The movie posters will have to be 316 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 3: in a separate email due to size constraints regards Chris. 317 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 3: All right, so Rob, I've attached the screenshots Chris took 318 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 3: here the photo of Bertie Gordon. This doesn't look anything 319 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 3: like the photos of him I'm familiar with, but he's 320 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 3: much older in those, so I guess when he was young, 321 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 3: he was a skinny guy with sticking out ears and 322 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 3: a big funny mustache. And the caption tells us that 323 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 3: this is him playing a character called the Mad Russian, 324 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 3: who was a regular on CBS Radio's The Eddie Canter Show. 325 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, is the look of a guy who makes weird pottery. 326 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 2: No disrespect to weird potters. I love weird pottery. 327 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 3: He looks like he would be cast as a scientist 328 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 3: in an Abbot Castello movie. Yeah. But I want to 329 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 3: read the beginning of this article because while it does 330 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 3: look like something I would I would like to get 331 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 3: into in full that I have a bone to pick. 332 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 3: So the article is by Christopher Borelli, and it says 333 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 3: Bert Eye Gordon, who died earlier this spring at the 334 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 3: age of one hundred, was the absolute worst filmmaker who 335 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 3: ever lived, or so some might argue. You've heard Ed 336 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 3: Wood was the worst, or Roger Corman, or maybe Michael Bay. 337 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 3: But Gordon was not lousy for one or two decades. 338 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 3: He was a terrible filmmaker for about sixty years. And 339 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 3: when he got around to writing his memoir in twenty ten, 340 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 3: called The Amazing Colossal Worlds of Mister Big and Autobiographical Journey, 341 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 3: it was the absolute worst book ever written by a filmmaker. 342 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 3: To borrow from the lurid posters for his movies. His talent, 343 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 3: such as it was, screamed amazing, towering, beyond description, just 344 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 3: not in a good way. Now, I do appreciate the 345 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 3: nod to how like the lack of modesty in the 346 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 3: bad movies of the mid century, Like how movie from 347 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 3: the fifties that were some of the worst ever made, 348 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 3: would say in their advertising like a film unlike any 349 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 3: other will change your life. You are not prepared for 350 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 3: the most spectacular movie event ever created. It is Attack 351 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 3: of the Puppet People or whatever. But I also just 352 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 3: want to go back and say, you know, Roger Corman 353 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 3: made a lot of slapdash drive in cheese, but I 354 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 3: don't know any reasonable observer who would say he was 355 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 3: the worst filmmaker who ever lived. I get why Edward 356 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 3: is in the running, but come on, Roger Corman made 357 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 3: at least a half dozen movies that are really good, 358 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 3: and a couple you could say are great. A Mask 359 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 3: of the Red Death comes to mind, So I don't 360 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 3: know why he's included there. 361 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. Plus, I mean I would not say bird Eye 362 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 2: Gordon was the worst filmmaker that ever lived. I mean, 363 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 2: there are various ways you could determine that classification, but 364 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 2: you know, I wouldn't say he's the worst by any stretch. 365 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 2: Does his work bring me pleasure? 366 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 3: Yes, So let's look at these posters here. So we 367 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 3: got Empire of the Ants. 368 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 2: This is great stuff. 369 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, a lady in jeans on the cracked desert ground 370 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 3: and there's just an ant getting ready to it looks 371 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 3: like bite her leg off. Basically. The poster for the 372 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 3: amazing Colossal Man actually just looks great. I love this 373 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 3: poster and it's a shame that there is not a 374 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 3: good disc of this movie out there. 375 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I really want to come back to this 376 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 2: one at some point, because this is a movie that 377 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 2: I genuinely enjoy and I think is trying to be 378 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 2: something more than just just schlock. 379 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 3: You know. 380 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 2: I think it's an ambitious film in its own way. 381 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 3: Agreed. On the other hand, you've got The Spider, which 382 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 3: I think that is just schlock, but it does have 383 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 3: a pretty good poster. It's like it's got a cop 384 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 3: shooting a machine gun at a giant spider and somehow 385 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 3: they just managed to like slip like a screaming horizontal 386 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 3: woman in there. She's just lying there on like a 387 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 3: red rectangle. 388 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, they went for something different here. The Spider's not 389 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 2: carrying the woman, but the woman is still horizontal and 390 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 2: laying on the ground. And having a machine gun fired 391 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:10,719 Speaker 2: directly over her body. 392 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it looks like the cop is using the 393 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 3: woman for cover. 394 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 2: I guess it does kind of. 395 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's popping out over top of her to shoot 396 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,239 Speaker 3: at the spider. All right, should we cap it there 397 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 3: for today? 398 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds good, sounds like a good place to 399 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 2: cap it off. But we'd love to hear from everyone. 400 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 2: Keep the listener mails coming in. 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