1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:01,320 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. 2 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 2: I'm Buzzsnight, the host of the Taking a Walk podcast, 3 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 2: and imagine strolling down a sunlit street, the pulse of 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,239 Speaker 2: the city in your ears. Then suddenly you hear the 5 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 2: unmistakable beat that makes you want to move. Today, I'm 6 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: taking a walk. We're gonna step into the rhythm and 7 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 2: soul of Fits and the Tantrums, the band that turn 8 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 2: retro grooves into modern anthems and made dancing in the 9 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: street cool again. From chart topping hits to electrifying live shows, 10 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 2: Fits in the Tantrums have redefined what it means to blend. 11 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 3: Old school soul with new school pop. 12 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 2: So lace up your sneakers and join us as we 13 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,639 Speaker 2: take a walk with the band that's been keeping us 14 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 2: on our feet and on our toes ever since their 15 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 2: first infectious hook. Hang out a couple minutes, we'll pay 16 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 2: some bills and be right back with. 17 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 3: Fits Taking a Walk. 18 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 2: Oh, Fits, it's so great to be with you on 19 00:00:58,760 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: the Taking a Walk Podcast. 20 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 4: Thank you now, thanks so much for having me pleasure 21 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 4: to be here. 22 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: So, before we get with the festivities and we talk 23 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: about Man on the Moon and the tour, which I'm 24 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 2: so excited for, you and the band. I want to 25 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 2: ask you are opening questions, since we call the podcast 26 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 2: taking a walk, if you could take a walk with 27 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: somebody living or dead associated with music, more than likely, 28 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 2: who would you take a walk with and where would 29 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 2: you take that walk? 30 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 4: M Me and my family were huge fans of going 31 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 4: to Europe every summer. Just got back from there, so 32 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 4: that's still fresh in my mind. Walking through ancient European 33 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 4: cities streets is pretty magical experience. I would say walking 34 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 4: through somewhere in excellent Provence in the south of France 35 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 4: with let's see Jimmy Hendricks or Jeff Buckley, one of 36 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 4: those two from those are my two picks. 37 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 3: Oh, I love that. 38 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: I love that's that's that's quite a that's quite a range. 39 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,399 Speaker 3: My friend absolutely. 40 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 4: Well, I mean I'm Jeff Buckley obviously. For as a singer, 41 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 4: I bow to that man. I think he's one of 42 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 4: the most amazing singers of all time and also one 43 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 4: of the greatest songwriters in them just as a sheer 44 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 4: freak shredder. Jimi Hendrix ithing, you gotta kinda think he'd 45 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 4: have a good night out with him. 46 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 3: That would be awesome. 47 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 2: Jeff's father was not too bad of a musician either, 48 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:36,399 Speaker 2: don't you say. 49 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean Tim was an incredible musician. It's 50 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 4: interesting to see their sort of competitive, estranged relationship. I 51 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 4: think it's part of the reason why Jeff Buckley was 52 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 4: so brilliant. 53 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 2: You know, I think Tim Buckley and Jeff Buckley are 54 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 2: both very under appreciated by the masses. 55 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 3: Oh for sure. 56 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: So, Fitz, what inspired you way at the beginning to 57 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 2: form Fits in the Tantrums? Tell me how this all 58 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 2: first came together. 59 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 4: You know for me, I you know, I've been a singer. 60 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 4: My whole entire life came out of the woman's singing 61 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 4: driving my parents crazy. My whole life just always been 62 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 4: a singer. But you know, I think it took me 63 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 4: a long time to kind of find my true natural voice. 64 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 4: And you know, I had many, many projects, many bands 65 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 4: where I was a singer, sometimes sometimes just the producer 66 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 4: making beats behind the singer. I had so many bands 67 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 4: before this one, and nothing ever worked out. And I 68 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 4: kind of had to put down the dream and pick 69 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 4: it up like two or three different times. But every 70 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 4: time I couldn't let the idea go because I just 71 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 4: felt like it was what I always kind of visualized 72 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 4: as what my life would be, and just you know, 73 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:14,119 Speaker 4: when you're somebody making music, it's for me. It's never 74 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 4: been a choice, it's been a calling. And if I 75 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 4: don't do it on the regular, I don't feel balanced 76 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 4: as a human being. And I just couldn't let the 77 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 4: idea go. And so, you know, I had branched out 78 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 4: into writing music for film and television, started a company 79 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 4: from doing music for advertising, done all these things because 80 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 4: I kept getting outright rejected by the music business. Couldn't 81 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 4: get arrested, nobody cared, nobody wanted to hear any of it, 82 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 4: and ultimately, you know, I came back to it one 83 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 4: more time, and this time it was just like I 84 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 4: think I was finally had found what felt like. You know, 85 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 4: when you're sing a singer and your whole life, you 86 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 4: can sing in many different styles, and then the question 87 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 4: really becomes what is your authentic voice if you can 88 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 4: imitate many styles as a trained vocalist. And it was 89 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 4: really only with those first songs that I started to 90 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 4: write that I really found that, and those were the 91 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 4: songs that became fits in the tantrums. I think a 92 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 4: lot of the projects I had done before they try 93 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 4: to include all of my different tastes all in one 94 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 4: EP or LP, and this time I was trying to 95 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 4: be much more vigilant about staying true to this one vision. 96 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 4: And that was easy because I've really found that my 97 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 4: voice exploded when I sang in a soulful style. It's 98 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 4: where my voice sang out the best and where I 99 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 4: felt the most at ease and natural about it. So 100 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 4: I just really made that first record trying to be 101 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 4: true to that one vision, and after fifteen years of no's, 102 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 4: all of a sudden, the universe started saying yes, and 103 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 4: it felt supremely different than any other experience I had 104 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 4: ever had before, and that just kind of fed me 105 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 4: to believe that I should, you know, at thirty eight 106 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 4: years old, take one more swing at trying to be 107 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 4: in a band, and you know, got my first record 108 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 4: deal when I was forty forty one, something unheard of, 109 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 4: you know, And here I am, you know, days away 110 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 4: from turning fifty five and releasing my band's sixth studio 111 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 4: album on a major record label. You know, did two 112 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 4: solo records as well during that time. So this is 113 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 4: my eighth album coming out in the last sixteen years, 114 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 4: and it's pretty pretty incredible, and I'm super proud of 115 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 4: this new album. 116 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 2: I'm so privileged that I've got to hear it all 117 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 2: and I have the chills with gratitude just thinking about it, 118 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 2: and it's just so wonderful. But I have to ask you, 119 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 2: going back again to what you were talking about, where 120 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 2: did you get instilled in you this incredible resilience that 121 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: kept you on this path that you're still on today. 122 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 4: You know, honestly, anybody that's in these kinds of fields, 123 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 4: whether it's trying to be a movie maker, a songwriter 124 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 4: with a band, or an actor, there's so much of 125 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 4: your life as waiting for somebody else to say yes 126 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 4: to your dreams. And that's honestly also why I switched, 127 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 4: because I also went to film school. I switched from 128 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 4: film back to music because, at least with the way 129 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 4: that the convergence of technology happened, I could make a 130 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 4: song in my room by myself. I didn't need thirty 131 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 4: people to go make a movie take months to do it. 132 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 4: I could wake up in the morning with nothing, and 133 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 4: by the evening I could be driving around listening to 134 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 4: a song that I just created out of thin air, 135 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 4: and that that was a drug to me that that 136 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 4: experience of creation from nothing to something and having something 137 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 4: to show at the end of the day was so 138 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 4: rewarding to me, and it just kept me. It kept 139 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 4: me going, and at every turn I just couldn't deny 140 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 4: what I knew I wanted to do, and I just 141 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 4: kept persevering and taking one more swing and taking one 142 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 4: last swing. When my life was very comfortable, I had 143 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 4: a successful company, I basically risked everything. I took my 144 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 4: whole entire savings and float threw it into the band 145 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 4: while we toured the world, you know, with Sharon Jones 146 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 4: and the Dad Kings, Maroon five, all these amazing things. 147 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 4: But I was doing paying for the whole thing at 148 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 4: the beginning, and it was just one huge leap of faith. 149 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 4: But I will say again that I knew what rejection 150 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 4: felt like because I had felt that so for so 151 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 4: many years record labels passing on my projects and stuff. 152 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 4: That this the universe was just saying, there's a magic happening. 153 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 4: And there was this whole word of mouth. This was 154 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 4: at the height of Facebook exploding, you know, there was 155 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 4: this whole word of mouth where people are just like, 156 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 4: you have to go see this band fits in the 157 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 4: tantrums live they you know, it's like going to the 158 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 4: church of music. It's like nothing I've ever experienced. And 159 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:39,719 Speaker 4: we just set this high energy show celebration, Come let 160 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 4: your hair down, get crazy with us, and that word 161 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 4: of mouth traveled via the internet and help propel us 162 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 4: to the point where we could get a record deal 163 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 4: and get the supporting and keep going. You know, I'd say, 164 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 4: for me, work ethic, that's you know, I'm modestly talented 165 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 4: and incredibly hard working. 166 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:05,359 Speaker 2: What honestly talented, I know, hardworking, But you're incredibly talented 167 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 2: and you have incredible vision. 168 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 3: And what I love about. 169 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 2: This particular project is how you had this vision to 170 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 2: throw caution to the wind. 171 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 3: So talk about. 172 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 2: The genesis of Man on the Moon and the comfort 173 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 2: that you you know, had in that process. 174 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, well I think, you know, one being our six 175 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 4: studio album, you know, I don't feel like I have 176 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 4: much to prove to anybody anymore. But also, you know, 177 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 4: I went to so many different album cycles with so 178 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 4: much pressure for radio singles and this, that and the other. 179 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: You know. 180 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 4: I mean, the thing is that once you have a 181 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 4: couple of hit songs on the radio, it's a pretty 182 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 4: amazing experience to see how that can travel around the 183 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 4: world and show up and everybody knows who music. It's 184 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 4: an amazing experience, But that's where the bar is there, 185 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 4: and then you always have to maintain that, and anything 186 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 4: less than that it's going to feel like a failure 187 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 4: or be perceived by the label or whoever as that. 188 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 4: And just with the way that the whole world has 189 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 4: changed the way people consume content and media, with TikTok 190 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 4: and Instagram reels and all that stuff, there's just such 191 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 4: a different way that people are integrating with that, then 192 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 4: it's really turned the whole music business on its head. 193 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 4: There's nobody really able to dictate or even know what 194 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 4: necessarily is a hit anymore. There's very few of those anymore. 195 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 4: And so you look at some of the biggest songs 196 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 4: of last year and there's no way that any label 197 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 4: would have backed that as a song. But guess what, 198 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 4: the people decided it. The interwebs. The internet decided it, 199 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 4: and it was a hit. And so I think in 200 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 4: that going into this record, I was free from the 201 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 4: burden of trying to take a very specific swing. That's 202 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 4: kind of like a part of being on a major label, 203 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 4: you know, And I think I was just able to 204 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 4: have that freedom to just do whatever the hell I wanted, 205 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 4: and I didn't want to go. You know, we write 206 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 4: in big songs love. I love pop music, I love 207 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 4: an infectious melody. But on this album, I wasn't so 208 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 4: concerned with like trying to go with a one listen 209 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 4: hit song, radio single, you know, like I could care 210 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 4: less about that. Jonasterberg, who I did a lions share 211 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 4: of the record with, we sat down at the beginning 212 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 4: and talked for hours and listened to my whole catalog 213 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 4: and really had a discussion of what felt like it 214 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 4: was working, and you know, honest conversation about like what 215 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 4: songs didn't work or what you know, what parts of 216 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 4: this album could have been better, or what kind of 217 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 4: in retrospect was not the right choice, being pretty critical 218 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 4: about some of the past stuff, you know, and just 219 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 4: saying that we wanted to really set this bar where 220 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 4: no line was a disposable lyric, no part was just 221 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 4: an afterthought, that everything was challenged and held to a 222 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 4: standard of just being a vibe, of being an experience. 223 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 4: Did we feel something and who gives a shirit whether 224 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 4: it sounds like a radio song or not. We're just 225 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 4: gonna make a record of atmosphere and mood and feelings 226 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 4: and things that make us feel something and feel like 227 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 4: that deep conversations and that compass that we set at 228 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 4: the beginning really set a great path and map for 229 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 4: how to make the record. 230 00:13:55,440 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 2: Well, you've just laid out a masterclass in creativity. So 231 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 2: thank you first of all for that, but thank you 232 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: for this release. Do you think about the live performance 233 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 2: aspect of a new release when you're putting it together? 234 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 3: My guess is from what you just said, you don't. 235 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 2: You know it's all going to fall together, but do 236 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 2: you think about the live performance piece? 237 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 4: I mean, I would say for us, because our live 238 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 4: show has become such an experience for us and such 239 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 4: an expectation from our audience, we set the bar like here, 240 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 4: you know, I am belting and dancing my ass off 241 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 4: for an hour and a half every night. 242 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: No, it is going. 243 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 4: Absolutely crazy, you know, don't. We don't ever do anything 244 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 4: here energetically, and it's been a part of what's made 245 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 4: our show so fun. So there's never not an experience 246 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 4: where we're thinking, how is this going to tie into 247 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 4: our show? And that honestly was some some of the challenges, 248 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 4: like our set is so high energy and now, you know, 249 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 4: six albums in, we're able to cherry pick the best 250 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 4: moments from every album and put it into one set, 251 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 4: and it's just a punch in the face from the 252 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 4: beginning to the end. And on this new album, there's 253 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 4: some some vibe your tracks, some mid tempo tracks, some 254 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 4: tracks that aren't on Adrenaline and at level ten, and 255 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 4: so it's been really interesting to see slotting those into 256 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 4: the live set set. We've played a couple of them 257 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 4: and it's it's been an amazing experience to see people 258 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 4: already gravitating to those songs and honestly, it's like just 259 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 4: a nice hills and valleys for a set for a 260 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 4: live night. 261 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more of the Taking a 262 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: Walk podcast. Welcome back to the Taking a Walk Podcast. 263 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 2: So I want to talk about a couple of the 264 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 2: songs and get your reflection on them. First of all, 265 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 2: the title track, Man on the Moon. Absolutely love that, 266 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 2: love the whole feel of it. But talk about what 267 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 2: that song means to you and the creative process behind it. 268 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, I mean, I think that song 269 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 4: was just a very of the moment experience, just with 270 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 4: everybody sort of coming into the studio every day working 271 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 4: looking at their phones, scrolling through this insanity of news 272 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 4: where you're just in shock about everything you're reading every day, 273 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 4: you know, just trying to that just kind of kicked 274 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 4: off the first lyrics of that song. I feel too much. 275 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 4: I want to get out of this place. You know, 276 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 4: there's just too much information. Also because I'm not sure 277 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 4: how much worse or better the world is. But what 278 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 4: I do know is that ever reach human being is 279 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 4: consuming like gigabytes worth of information every day in a 280 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 4: way that no human being has ever So is the 281 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 4: world on fire? Or are we just reading about every 282 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 4: fire that's always been happening in the world, but now 283 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 4: we're reading about it? So the world feels on you 284 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 4: know what I mean. It feels very intense and overwhelming, 285 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 4: and doom scrolling is not a healthy activity, and I 286 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 4: think we are, Oh, can all get sucked very easily 287 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 4: into it because guess what, the algorithm loves a doom 288 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 4: scroll because they've kept all of our attention for that 289 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 4: much longer. 290 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 2: Like me, do you really sometimes curse the person that 291 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 2: invented the infinite scroll? 292 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 3: Yeah? 293 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 4: I find myself trapped in it. I've found my attention 294 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 4: span has been affected by it. You know, I have kids. 295 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 4: I have to really pay attention to how I consume 296 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 4: it and how they see me consume it. And then 297 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 4: either me or my wife are in the house and 298 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 4: we turn on a screen or we scroll once and 299 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 4: they hear one little SoundBite. They literally are like flies 300 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 4: to you know, mos to a flame. They're just all 301 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 4: around me all look trying to see what that little 302 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 4: dopamine hit is. You know, I'm not sure where we're 303 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 4: all headed as a society with the way that we're 304 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 4: consuming all this content. But it's you know, having just 305 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 4: took a substantial little break of seriously detoxing from being 306 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 4: in front of it for the last few weeks on vacation, 307 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 4: I can see the difference mentally that it has in 308 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 4: terms of how you perceive the world. And I'm not 309 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 4: sure we would have the same world we are living 310 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 4: in right now without this form of content and the 311 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 4: division we have in this world. 312 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: All of this. 313 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 4: Stuff, it's insane. It's all algorithm based, tailor made living 314 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 4: for all of us. 315 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: You know. 316 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 3: Yep. 317 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 2: The album opens up with one of my other favorites, 318 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 2: the good, the bad, and the ugly. 319 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 3: Maybe you could talk about that one. 320 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 4: You know, I love this whole record because there's a 321 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 4: lot of full circle moments back to our first record 322 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 4: that had a lot of sixties of soul influence to it, 323 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 4: and this one has a lot of that. Not in 324 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 4: the exact same way. It's got a little more of 325 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 4: a twist to it, but I just love that song 326 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 4: because it just makes me think of just all the 327 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 4: amazing just spaghetti westerns. You know, it just has that 328 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 4: vibe to it. I just love the energy of it. 329 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 4: It's such a mood and I love singing it. It 330 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,959 Speaker 4: sits in that specials yet again, another soulful song that 331 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 4: really lets me sing that one, belt it hard. 332 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 3: Another amazing one. They're all amazing. 333 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 2: But another one that absolutely I adore is Withdrawals. Maybe 334 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 2: you can talk about that one. 335 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 4: That was It was a real strong one and a 336 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 4: special one because when we were starting to write for 337 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 4: the album, that was one of the first ones that 338 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 4: that came out and of the of the songwriting process, 339 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 4: and it was at a moment where I wasn't totally sure. 340 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 4: I was like, can I go this far back into 341 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 4: our history to like go back full circle to this 342 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 4: very soulful sixties moment. And I was a little trepidacious 343 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 4: at first, but we had had our conversation and took 344 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,719 Speaker 4: the leap of faith and just leaned into it, you know. 345 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 4: And it was just like as soon as I got 346 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 4: in the vocal booth and started laying down the vocal track, 347 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 4: it was like, come on, this is like made for 348 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 4: my voice, this song. 349 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 2: It feels like the entire work of this project that 350 00:20:55,160 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 2: you and the band really in the zone is a 351 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 2: fair analogy the feeling of being in the zone, just 352 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 2: like athletes and everybody talk about as well. 353 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so, you know, and I noticed it, 354 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 4: you know. I mean because I have made a lot 355 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,479 Speaker 4: of records. This was my eighth, between my Theays, sixth 356 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 4: band and two solos, this was my eighth record, you know, 357 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 4: and I've played thousands of shows, and I think about 358 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 4: it all the time when I'm performing live too. It's 359 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 4: like I have a great time out there, but I'm 360 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 4: so comfortable out there because I've done it so much 361 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 4: now that I'm like, oh wow, this is like this 362 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 4: is beyond Malcolm Gradwell's ten thousand hours. This is more 363 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 4: like thirty forty thousand hours. And Wow, what an experience 364 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 4: to like be actively working doing this thing and just 365 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 4: feeling like all that work, all those shows, all those records, 366 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 4: all those songwriting, it's all culminated into a very you know, 367 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 4: season performer who you know, it's like I rarely get 368 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 4: stage fright or nervous anymore. You know, it's like it's 369 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 4: nothing to me. And that's a crazy thing from where 370 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,959 Speaker 4: I started, this petrified little kid walking on on a stage. 371 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 4: You know. 372 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 3: Talk about what it means to. 373 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 2: See that community when you're out playing live, all united 374 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 2: in a place where everybody's forgetting their troubles, they're forgetting 375 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 2: the way the world is or. 376 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 3: The way their personal life is. 377 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 2: And you're out there with the band performing and you're 378 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 2: looking out and you're seeing the impact that you've made 379 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 2: in that little community on that particular event. Describe that 380 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 2: feeling for someone who's never experienced it myself or others 381 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 2: who haven't. 382 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I mean, it's a really humbling thing. 383 00:22:54,920 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 4: Especially I think I think I'm specially play in that 384 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 4: it took so long for my dream to come true 385 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 4: that I came into it with a little bit more 386 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 4: wisdom and maturity just invariably through my age, and to 387 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 4: get to really experience and witness that power is I 388 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 4: never have taken too seriously myself as an artist or 389 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 4: that my songs were that great. But what I do 390 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 4: have reverence for is the fact that once you put 391 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 4: a song out into the world, people will take that 392 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 4: song and make it theirs and put meaning into it 393 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 4: and it becomes something for them. And that experience of 394 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 4: getting to see and meet people out on the road 395 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,239 Speaker 4: that pulled me to the side, and they say, you know, 396 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 4: I was in such a dark place personally. I was 397 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 4: suicidal last year and your album literally I like put 398 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 4: it on every morning and forced myself to go running. 399 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 4: And your music brought me out of one of the 400 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 4: darkest peers in my life. And you're like, holy, holy crap. 401 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 4: It just gives me chills even talking about it. And 402 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 4: it's not that I wrote such an amazing song. It's 403 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 4: just that I've created something. I put my heart into it, 404 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 4: somebody else listened to it and it meant something to them. 405 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 4: And that experience you know we've met, you know, going 406 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 4: to a show and then get an email from a 407 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 4: family saying, hey, you're coming to Texas. Can we come 408 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 4: backstage and meet you. Our daughter just finished doing chemotherapy 409 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 4: and Handclap was her like warrior song to get through 410 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 4: all the treatments. And we're like, of course, and we're 411 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 4: all parents and stuff and meeting this kid and just 412 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 4: all weep and you know, trying to not just shed 413 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 4: buckets of tears as we look into those parents' eyes 414 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 4: and they say with like so much sincerity, like thank 415 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 4: you for what this song provided to our daughter. You know, 416 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 4: it's just so humbling. So I never take even a 417 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 4: silly pop song, even something with a silly I never 418 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 4: take it lightly or for granted the effect or the 419 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 4: power that that stuff can have for other people and 420 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 4: how they experience it. And then you take that and 421 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 4: you play those shows live and you see the joy 422 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 4: on people's faces. We've never tried to be the coolest 423 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 4: band in the world, but we've always tried to just 424 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 4: give people a safe space to let their hair down, 425 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 4: have a weird, ugly dance session on the dance floor 426 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 4: and get crazy with us and just sing and have 427 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 4: fun and celebrate a moment. Because life is stressful, life 428 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 4: is hard, and you know, being on the road is 429 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 4: not the funnest thing, you know, It's twenty three hours 430 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 4: of grind for one hour of fun sometimes when you're 431 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 4: not frigging totally exhausted, you know, it's a lot of work. 432 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 4: So that joy that you see on people's face sometimes 433 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 4: is the only thing getting you to somehow find the 434 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 4: energy to do that level of show that we do 435 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 4: every night of the week. It's very hard to pull off, 436 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 4: and so that joy that you see and experience sometimes 437 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 4: is the only thing that's keeping you going. 438 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 2: How do you keep the balance when you're on the road, 439 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 2: you know, because it is such a grind, you. 440 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 4: Know, I've been doing it for so long now, and 441 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 4: I've spent so much time on the road that ultimately 442 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 4: I have a very regimented routine. I wake up, me 443 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 4: and two of the other guys. We go to the gym, 444 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 4: We work out, We get oh first, sorry, first, we 445 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 4: find the best twisty mustache cup of coffee we can 446 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 4: whatever tow we're at, have way too much caffeine. Then 447 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 4: we go to the gym, we work out, come back, 448 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 4: have dinner, do the show, and then get in the 449 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 4: bus and drive to the next town, and then so 450 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 4: and repeat. As a singer. I got to take supreme 451 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 4: good care of myself. I'm the best shape of my 452 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 4: life on the road because I'm working out every day 453 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 4: and I'm doing a super high intense workout show, live 454 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 4: show while belting the whole time. So my resting heart 455 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 4: rate at the end of tour is like forty three. 456 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:35,719 Speaker 4: And I'm not even joking. 457 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 3: I love it. I absolutely love it. 458 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:44,439 Speaker 2: What would we be surprised at that's on your personal playlist? 459 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 4: You know, I mean people, no, no, I'm a you know, 460 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 4: I'm a sucker for a big pop song, for a 461 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 4: dua lipa pop song, or you know. This summer with 462 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 4: my family, it's been summer of Siza. We've just been 463 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 4: we like big, big R and B pop songs and 464 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 4: stuff like that. I don't know if that would surprise everybody. 465 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 4: I also grew up in a house full of classical 466 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 4: music and opera, so I like to put that on. 467 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 4: Sometimes comes the children and is nostalgic for me. 468 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 2: What is your take on the evolution of pop and 469 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 2: soul music today? 470 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 4: You know, I mean, I think technology has created so 471 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 4: much innovation and independence. The amount of music is impossible 472 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 4: to even comprehand how to even begin to consume one 473 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 4: one hundredth of it when there are millions of songs 474 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 4: coming out every week. But there is some pretty amazing stuff, 475 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 4: and I think like I was going back to the 476 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 4: inspirations or the freedom of what today is for music. 477 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 4: I'm not sure anybody knows anymore what's fully pop or 478 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 4: not or you know, or what is the thing you know? 479 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 4: I mean, there's there's always the standards, but I feel 480 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 4: like people are saying yes to those sort of contrived 481 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 4: pop songs less and less. You know, it's it's user 482 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 4: generated now, and it can be for the weirdest reason. 483 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 4: Having been a band that had you know, has had 484 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 4: several hit songs and have one of them out of 485 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 4: My League, which is already twelve years old, is you know, 486 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 4: about to hit a billion streams here and it's streaming 487 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 4: like crazy because it's on its third or fourth viral 488 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 4: TikTok Instagram moment whatever that means. The Internet giveth and 489 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 4: the Internet taketh. I love it and hate it all 490 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 4: at the same time. 491 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 5: Oh, congratulations Fits on the new album Man on the 492 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 5: Moon and the upcoming tour, And I'm so grateful that 493 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 5: you took the time to be on the Taking a 494 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 5: Walk podcast. 495 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 4: Thanks something my pleasure. That is such a great interview. 496 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 4: I appreciate you. 497 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a 498 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: Walk Podcast. Share this and other episodes with your friends 499 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: and follow us so you never miss an episode. 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