Speaker 1: Look man, oh I see you. Why look over there?
Speaker 1: How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, I mean this is
Speaker 1: a great moment in time. I feel that it is.
Speaker 1: We have been watching all season what I'm gonna call
Speaker 1: the television event of the year. It's appointment television. Yes,
Speaker 1: at this point, we're gonna talk about the episodes that
Speaker 1: have aired up till now of the White Lotus. So big, big,
Speaker 1: big spoiler alert up ahead. If you if you're not
Speaker 1: caught up, it's time. It's time. It's important that you
Speaker 1: are and that you do catch up. And I hate
Speaker 1: telling the readers turn back now, but it's important because
Speaker 1: I obviously wouldn't want to ruin anything because this is
Speaker 1: that show that is like, every single minute, give something
Speaker 1: to talk about. And I also have to say, so
Speaker 1: there's been five episodes out by now, and I wonder
Speaker 1: if you agree. At the end of episode five there's
Speaker 1: a moment that is like the ass eating scene, and
Speaker 1: it's going to have everybody talking. And of course we're
Speaker 1: talking about when the nephew focks his own uncle in
Speaker 1: the assay, Oh that's his uncle, yes, bitch, Oh my god. See,
Speaker 1: this is all all coming back to a great singer yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna why early in the morning. It's
Speaker 1: a little person. I'm warmed up because I just came
Speaker 1: from Grinder has gone public. Congratulations, which is the definition
Speaker 1: of queer rights. I what's what's the I p O?
Speaker 1: I wonder g R N d R great. I might
Speaker 1: um buy at least at least I want to. I
Speaker 1: want to feel like Barbara Corker in this. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you're ready to go in. I'm ready to go in
Speaker 1: and make decisions. Here's I have a question for you.
Speaker 1: What's more queer rights? Grinder going public in the New
Speaker 1: York Stock Exchange, Crystal Waters and Jada Essence all performing
Speaker 1: this morning. I mean that's hard to beat. Or Essex
Speaker 1: Boy fucking is own uncle, or me on the way
Speaker 1: to this episode of Last Cultures listening to Oh and
Speaker 1: to the Unknown, No Girl, the theme to White Lotus.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're not doing that. You're not doing
Speaker 1: like the tongue movement. Yeah, the warbling? Yeah? So what
Speaker 1: this is me running to the episode today? I'm running, running, running,
Speaker 1: that's happening. Pod falls out of my ear falls on
Speaker 1: the I go, shit, I go and I pick up
Speaker 1: a thing. I put it back in my ear and
Speaker 1: I start running again and I hear and its just
Speaker 1: like sort of like, keep going to tell you something
Speaker 1: is happening right now in the culture. Tell me what
Speaker 1: is happening in the culture right now? Soundtracks and scoring
Speaker 1: is really ambiently affecting everyone's lives and shaping the experience
Speaker 1: of things. There's nothing more electrifying. And I was walking
Speaker 1: here so galvanized because I knew we were coming to
Speaker 1: what was going to be a legendary episode of this podcast.
Speaker 1: And this is quite a week. This is because yesterday
Speaker 1: I just want to say, I was on the Kelly
Speaker 1: Clarkson Show. Oh my god, we can talk about this,
Speaker 1: we can. I had it. I put it on my
Speaker 1: fucking calendar. I said, Matt's on Kelly my number I'm
Speaker 1: telling the guests my number one favorite person in this
Speaker 1: world since I've been eleven years old, this Kelly Clarkson. Yesterday,
Speaker 1: I got to be on her show to promote my
Speaker 1: special Have You Heard of Christmas? Which is streaming on
Speaker 1: December two, And let me tell you, the energy was
Speaker 1: so am I gonna cry, so literally warm, gorgeous, just open,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't have asked for a better experience with
Speaker 1: the person that has meant so much to me. And
Speaker 1: I sat next to Chloe Grace Moretts herself. She was
Speaker 1: a gag. We talked housewives off air. She is a scholar,
Speaker 1: and I'm saying, like, wow, the way that this year
Speaker 1: has been like literally made worth it just for that
Speaker 1: one meeting. Oh and what's important is that you got
Speaker 1: to meet her on your terms quote unquote. You've been
Speaker 1: in the audience, you had opportunities to say hello to her.
Speaker 1: You decided years ago when Joel went on, you were like,
Speaker 1: I can't meet her. I can't meet her. I would love.
Speaker 1: The ideal situation is someday I'm going to meet her
Speaker 1: when it's my own thing. I was just like, because
Speaker 1: I always break down and cry before I even take
Speaker 1: steps to her, because I've been literally and so like, um,
Speaker 1: then there I was, and to have my first meeting
Speaker 1: with her ever on cam like that rocks. And also
Speaker 1: what I love about her the cameras go up, she's
Speaker 1: the same person as the cameras go down, but swearing
Speaker 1: like a sailor, like it is every other THIRDE have
Speaker 1: you we have to ask the guests, But like this
Speaker 1: was it was amazing, and I just wanted to make
Speaker 1: sure that I honored the fact that I did meet
Speaker 1: her and the readers, the loyal readers have been waiting
Speaker 1: for this moment, and I've been waiting for this moment,
Speaker 1: and so I want to acknowledge and say it was
Speaker 1: better than I ever. Oh God, I'm so happy you
Speaker 1: Please everyone readers. Watch have you heard of Christmas on Showtime?
Speaker 1: It's coming out a December two this Friday Friday. And
Speaker 1: speaking of so, I did Vulture Festival in l A.
Speaker 1: It was one of my first like things to start
Speaker 1: promoting a special. And I literally I look at the
Speaker 1: schedule right, and I see, I see, well Betty, who
Speaker 1: I had always wanted to do the special because like
Speaker 1: I just if I was gonna do a sing along,
Speaker 1: I had to have you had. But I look at
Speaker 1: the schedule and I see that there's going to be
Speaker 1: an advanced screening of at the time, episode three of
Speaker 1: White Lotus with Megan Fahy, And I said to myself,
Speaker 1: maybe it would be the gag to invite Megan on
Speaker 1: And because I knew that our friend Steven Simbari managers
Speaker 1: and so I reach out and I'm like would this
Speaker 1: be possible? Thinking, probably, probably busy, probably not interested, etcetera.
Speaker 1: Came Slade, We've seen the video, and you gotta look
Speaker 1: at the video because if you don't know, no, you know,
Speaker 1: this is not only a capital A actress, capital S star,
Speaker 1: capital S singer. You must understand this is a person
Speaker 1: that is on the precipice of major nous and already
Speaker 1: just like like it's like so so so incredible and
Speaker 1: everything that she's done. We're so excited that she's here,
Speaker 1: you know, from the bull type, you know, from this
Speaker 1: season of the White Lotus, fucking get this next to
Speaker 1: normal on legendary, a multitude of things and a massive future,
Speaker 1: and literally the readers are ready for this one. Everyone's
Speaker 1: like even with the vulture Fest video of you two
Speaker 1: singing a Holy Night. By the way, she she asks
Speaker 1: a very valid question, which is does anyone know the
Speaker 1: second verse? And we'll get into it. You came ready,
Speaker 1: you know, I've I've just watched so many like beltresses
Speaker 1: do that song in my life that it's like, don't don't. Well,
Speaker 1: she's a beltress that's a ruler. Culture number fifty nine,
Speaker 1: Josh Robin is a beltress, and we look forward to
Speaker 1: all her future projects. But you two just hitting the vine,
Speaker 1: that last vine. Do you know what I'm talking about? No?
Speaker 1: Do it? Oh, I'm not doing it, but you guys
Speaker 1: both beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, um sort of synchronicity. It was
Speaker 1: a gorgeous moment, one of my favorite life moments. Now
Speaker 1: she's here in person. We're doing this in person. We're
Speaker 1: recording a lot of our episodes in person again, and
Speaker 1: it's such a joy. We're so happy she's here. Everyone,
Speaker 1: please welcome Megan Fathe. Oh my god, we're hello. Hi.
Speaker 1: It's like such a joy to have you here, because like,
Speaker 1: that was such a moment. I literally I was like,
Speaker 1: she'll never say yes, and then you said yes and
Speaker 1: came and crushed. I still can't believe that we did
Speaker 1: that because it's been so long since I've even sung
Speaker 1: in front of anybody, really really yeah, And you were
Speaker 1: so chill about it. You were like, it's whatever, like
Speaker 1: rehearse if you want or don't, well, then you tuk
Speaker 1: to rehearsal. And I was like, and I saw Eric
Speaker 1: person who was musically directing for me, who's our old friend,
Speaker 1: and like, at one point you're rehearsing, and like you
Speaker 1: walked off after you did, and he looks at me
Speaker 1: like what and I was like, yeah, I know, it's
Speaker 1: like the real deal. No, but I thought it was
Speaker 1: going to be a duet. So we got so I
Speaker 1: got there to rehearse, so I was like, I'm not
Speaker 1: just showing up and winging this, which is what ended
Speaker 1: up happening anyway. And he was like, what's like, what
Speaker 1: kind of key? And I was like, well, whatever works
Speaker 1: for Matt, like probably we should talk about that, and
Speaker 1: he was like, no, I think whatever works for you. Okay.
Speaker 1: So then this good or bad that you show up
Speaker 1: and and it's a little it sounds like it might
Speaker 1: have been to chill. No, it was great because like
Speaker 1: your easy breeziness made me less servous, and I was
Speaker 1: so nervous the idea of it. And then when I
Speaker 1: got up there, and because I had been watching the
Speaker 1: show which was going so well and everybody was loving
Speaker 1: you so much, that I just actually got up there
Speaker 1: and had fun. And then of course we did like
Speaker 1: what ended up being for me spontaneous duet because you
Speaker 1: brought me in. And also the thing is like, so
Speaker 1: I would never actually endeavor to sing that song because
Speaker 1: I feel like that is like the great big song
Speaker 1: of christ Us. And then when you were like, now,
Speaker 1: who actually knows the second verse to this song? I
Speaker 1: literally there was a thing in my head and I
Speaker 1: had the mic as the host of the show, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I think I know the second verse
Speaker 1: and there we are all the way in your key,
Speaker 1: all the way. And that was the thing that really
Speaker 1: took me out. I was like, how dare you sing
Speaker 1: this higher and better than me? That is not true?
Speaker 1: It is true, No, no, no, stunning. You were both amazing, resplendent.
Speaker 1: It was just even on the video, which I was like,
Speaker 1: it must have been something else to be there in person.
Speaker 1: It was so fun. That was a really fun That
Speaker 1: was one of my favorite life moments. Come on, so
Speaker 1: Stephen tells me you had a Christmas album as a
Speaker 1: kid or I'm like, still on the fence about whether
Speaker 1: or not you have to, but it is true. I
Speaker 1: do have a Christmas album that I made when I
Speaker 1: was like twelve. What all covers all illegal? Yeah? Like
Speaker 1: no rights? Is it sumable? Certainly not. My grandfather is
Speaker 1: dressed as Santa Claus and featured on the album arts naturally.
Speaker 1: What were some of the songs. I mean, I'm giving
Speaker 1: you literally like the Simpsons Sister Christmas duet. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: have you heard it? No? What is that they do? Um?
Speaker 1: A little drummer boy Ashley and Jessica the literal Simpsons. Yes,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So here's the thing about Prump Pump
Speaker 1: Pump by the Simpsons Sisters. That's actually one of the
Speaker 1: great Christmas standards. Absolutely, okay, and you were twelve. I
Speaker 1: think you're our age that we were twelve. So this
Speaker 1: was Pete Simpson. Yeah, oh my god, you like it
Speaker 1: wasn't even that you gave it time to like let
Speaker 1: their little drummer boy like congeal in the culture. Oh
Speaker 1: my god? What else? H Kelly Clarkson's Grown Up Christmas?
Speaker 1: Grown Up Christmas List? Are you a Kelly fan? Of course? Wait?
Speaker 1: So did you sing with her? I didn't, so, so
Speaker 1: my publicists were sort of like, would you want us
Speaker 1: to float singing with her? And so, like I said,
Speaker 1: I'm like in pure panic and terror whenever it comes
Speaker 1: to things like that, because you know, it's one thing
Speaker 1: to sing by yourself, because you can sort of like
Speaker 1: mess around, Like I'm obviously like a comedian who is
Speaker 1: so sick. And then like when they're like, would you
Speaker 1: want to sing with Key Carston? Can we float that
Speaker 1: as an option? I literally was like no, ten car alarm,
Speaker 1: like no way, Like do not do it? Like I
Speaker 1: would never dare sing with her? But like I understand
Speaker 1: the question, of course, but the answer is a hard
Speaker 1: Now have you been on her show? Wait? So you
Speaker 1: didn't know? Oh, one day? Maybe one day? I get it,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? I totally get it.
Speaker 1: It's it's like almost too much. I mean, she's I think, well,
Speaker 1: let's talk about this, who is the best singer? Like
Speaker 1: probably I would say when the way she can sing anything,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're scary, like she's while yeah it is
Speaker 1: a little spooky. Yeah, I mean I feel like you
Speaker 1: will have another opportunity, Oh for sure. I mean let's
Speaker 1: just say it went well enough where the producers were like,
Speaker 1: you have to come back, which I always want to. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I feel like a performance on a second visit
Speaker 1: is actually chef's kiss. Oh my god, would you do it?
Speaker 1: Have you been on her show? I also would not
Speaker 1: do it. I think I would just look at her
Speaker 1: and cry, like I don't, but you could. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, I don't know. Were you a Kelly fan? Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, yeah, alright, I mean like and this comes
Speaker 1: full circle because like it's a little bit of my
Speaker 1: culture moment later than but I used to like sit
Speaker 1: in my basement and like stare at my basement window
Speaker 1: singing breakaway. Cut to like kind of recently when I
Speaker 1: learned that April Levine wrote that song, she did, she did,
Speaker 1: And it's complicated because there's Avril and Kelly. Do you
Speaker 1: know the story worry of Avriline, Kelly, I don't think
Speaker 1: this is the story. So this is a gag. So
Speaker 1: when Kelly was a finalist and the top two on
Speaker 1: American Idol, this is like Avril's big moment. Aviril's like
Speaker 1: hugely famous from like skater Boy, and like she's like
Speaker 1: having a big moment. So this is between skater Boy
Speaker 1: and I'm with You. Avril Levine wins Best New Artist
Speaker 1: at the v m a's and presenting that is Justin
Speaker 1: Guarini and Kelly Clarkson, who were in the midst of
Speaker 1: the finals week of American Idol, So they are so
Speaker 1: excited they announce Avril Levine Avril Levine, whose image at
Speaker 1: the time is very like punk rock, I'm better than
Speaker 1: this while hooks were Literally she was a pop singer,
Speaker 1: but she pretended she was more punk. So then she
Speaker 1: gets up on stage and Kelly goes to hug her,
Speaker 1: Avril takes her arm, lifts it over her head, and
Speaker 1: like rudely takes the award from her and goes to
Speaker 1: the mic. Literally, and I'm sitting there at home being
Speaker 1: like I am done. I was like, I can't believe this,
Speaker 1: and I'm a diet never and then literally what happened
Speaker 1: was I'm watching it and I'm sitting there seething. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm eleven years old. I'm sitting there. So then like
Speaker 1: I remember, a few weeks later, I'm in the car.
Speaker 1: I think I think my dad was driving me to
Speaker 1: like literally Catechism, like Wednesday night religious school. I'm already
Speaker 1: in a bad mood. So I'm in the car and
Speaker 1: I'm hearing this song looking for a place, I'm for
Speaker 1: a face, and I'm like, okay, this is kind of
Speaker 1: a major bob. I was like, and it's with you.
Speaker 1: I'm like wait, and then she starts really wailing the end,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh is this and then the radio
Speaker 1: announcer goes, that's the new one from Avril Levine. And
Speaker 1: I was so mad because I was like, wait, she
Speaker 1: actually can really sing and that song was legendary. It
Speaker 1: was the first time I had ever heard I'm with You,
Speaker 1: and I was like fuck. And then I was like
Speaker 1: goddamn it, like the moral conundrum, knowing she was so
Speaker 1: rude to my girl, and also that she had wailed
Speaker 1: this song, I was like, I still can't. And then
Speaker 1: later with write break Away. Then she wrote Breakaway, which
Speaker 1: is like a B side that everyl didn't want anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because there's a demo version of Avril Levine singing it
Speaker 1: on YouTube, Yes there is. And so then later years
Speaker 1: later Howard Stern Kelly was on Howard Stern and Kelly
Speaker 1: told told the story of how rude Avril was and
Speaker 1: she was like, good for her, yeah, and she was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was really nasty and made me feel really bad
Speaker 1: because everyone treated us like ship. She was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: when we were American, I don't find a list like
Speaker 1: at that show. She was like, everyone treated us like
Speaker 1: ship that night. And when that happened on stage, I
Speaker 1: felt worthless and then, but then recently Avril was on
Speaker 1: Kelly Show. Yes, and they didn't mention it that whole thing,
Speaker 1: but it's all everything's fine now, But it's funny because
Speaker 1: that was not the best. And then that miss Independent
Speaker 1: was written by Christina Aguilera Andy, so Kelly was getting
Speaker 1: like the cast off songs but making them monster head
Speaker 1: right right right, So this is this just goes to
Speaker 1: say like Kelly can take any song and make it
Speaker 1: at the moment. Oh for sure. Your first talk show
Speaker 1: appearance was Jimmy Kimmel, like last or two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: You were such a natural. That is so nice. I
Speaker 1: have never been more terrified, are you really? Yeah? And
Speaker 1: for the duration to like the whole time I was
Speaker 1: sitting there, I was like you were a charm bouquet,
Speaker 1: Like you came out so full. I mean, he was lovely,
Speaker 1: and everybody that works for him too, was like from
Speaker 1: the second I got out of the car, everybody was
Speaker 1: just so nice. It was just really sweet. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm glad that it's over. Yeah, but there'll be
Speaker 1: so many more. And you must be like really enjoying
Speaker 1: this because like I don't know how it feels to
Speaker 1: even book Weete Lotus and then go there and like
Speaker 1: film it in that insane location with what seems to
Speaker 1: be like a really fun cast. Then to see it
Speaker 1: received so well, like it just has to be crazy.
Speaker 1: It is crazy. It's crazy down crazy down USA. Like
Speaker 1: I can't even believe I'm sitting here talking to you
Speaker 1: guys right now. I think you're both so cool. I'm serious.
Speaker 1: What I loved was hearing what your audition for the
Speaker 1: first season did for the Alex Didario. Yeah, so then
Speaker 1: like you do that and you think and then you
Speaker 1: see it and it's like this stunning show and then
Speaker 1: you get the audition for the second season or was
Speaker 1: it like he thought of you. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: mean there was a very long casting process. And actually
Speaker 1: now I'm remembering something really funny that happened at the premiere,
Speaker 1: so so um it was. It was an agent of
Speaker 1: a of a person who I won't say, And this
Speaker 1: agent was like so lovely and like truly meant so
Speaker 1: well that somebody brought him up to me at the party.
Speaker 1: They were like, we want to introduce you this person.
Speaker 1: He really wants to meet you. He comes up. I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, it's so nice to meet you. He's like,
Speaker 1: I made a picture together. I'm so happy for you.
Speaker 1: I was like, thank you so much. He was like,
Speaker 1: and I mean, after what happened to you on the
Speaker 1: first season, you must have just wanted to kill yourself.
Speaker 1: And he was like, I mean there, it was the
Speaker 1: biggest moment of your career out the window, and I
Speaker 1: went right into it with him. I was like, yes,
Speaker 1: they're gone, Like I fully just went with him. But
Speaker 1: I was like this man, not not this fan, beings
Speaker 1: like you must have just wanted to end it all
Speaker 1: so right. Like in my head, I'm like packing my
Speaker 1: bags and moving back to Massachusetts and I'm like, wait, wait, no,
Speaker 1: it's a happy ending. I feel like everything didn't work
Speaker 1: out because I feel like this part with you is
Speaker 1: like I told you, like when I saw you the
Speaker 1: other day at rehearsal, Like she's like walking up to
Speaker 1: the pigeon. I'm like, by the way, I was like,
Speaker 1: you're kicking my ass in this show like it was
Speaker 1: from the second year on screen, it is like so great.
Speaker 1: I love you and Aubrey together. It really is like
Speaker 1: can you talk about like what that relationship is? Like
Speaker 1: what is she like? Because I feel like she's like
Speaker 1: sort of enigmatic in a way, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like you get who she is on screen, but like
Speaker 1: that had to be like a fun relationship. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was so fun. And I think that our natural energies
Speaker 1: are so different that it does sort of just innately
Speaker 1: create this sort of fascinating dynamic when we're doing scenes together.
Speaker 1: But I think that's true for basically everybody in the cast.
Speaker 1: Like Mike has this amazing quality to him where he
Speaker 1: just like knows that you have something that he needs
Speaker 1: for that character and he kind of just lets you
Speaker 1: like do whatever you want with that, and he's so
Speaker 1: good at picking the thing that there's sort of this
Speaker 1: like ease to all of it because of that. Because
Speaker 1: I feel like there are things about this season that
Speaker 1: I really, really really am picking up on in a
Speaker 1: way that I don't know. Maybe it's because I'm like
Speaker 1: paying a little bit more attention than I was first.
Speaker 1: It's recently biased, like the first season feels like a
Speaker 1: million years ago, even though it but we were saying
Speaker 1: we we love this season like we love the first season.
Speaker 1: This second season is I feel like there's this alchemy
Speaker 1: through you guys as actors, but also obviously through Mike.
Speaker 1: But it's like between you and THEO, there's a very
Speaker 1: interesting fertile thing there. But then this last scene in
Speaker 1: episode five, I watched it like four times. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: said to Bowen, I was like, you have to text
Speaker 1: me after you watch this, because I think this is
Speaker 1: maybe one of the best written scenes I've seen in
Speaker 1: a really because it's all sub textual, probably an actor's dream.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure it was a huge challenge on a
Speaker 1: technical level for you. Maybe it wasn't, maybe it came
Speaker 1: very organically, but Matt and I were texting each other
Speaker 1: the line reads over text of just whips. I'll find
Speaker 1: it later anyway, point is, yeah, get a trainer. I
Speaker 1: just just like that that idea of like you you
Speaker 1: basically saying right there, don't talk with my family, which
Speaker 1: I loved. Yeah, yeah, well well no, I mean I
Speaker 1: think what Daphne is actually insinuating in that moment is
Speaker 1: like quite dark, absolutely um, which is an actor's dream
Speaker 1: because that's so fun to play like these like nuanced
Speaker 1: like under the surface you're saying one thing and you're
Speaker 1: meaning anything else kind of like and Mike's writing is
Speaker 1: so good that like it does kind of come easily
Speaker 1: in a way because it's just like all there in
Speaker 1: the words. But yeah, I don't know if I should
Speaker 1: say what I think she's insinuating or not, because I
Speaker 1: don't even know you, and then you don't want to
Speaker 1: hit anything. But the thing is too I wonder like,
Speaker 1: what is he like as a director because he's also
Speaker 1: an actor, which which I've worked with a lot of
Speaker 1: actor directors. Actually yeah, yeah, it's very different the way
Speaker 1: that they get in there and the way because they
Speaker 1: almost they don't want to tip anything or give to
Speaker 1: heavier direction. It is all there. But I wonder, like,
Speaker 1: what's the experience of working with him as a director.
Speaker 1: It's kind of amazing because he's he's actually very unconcerned,
Speaker 1: like he knows exactly what he wants. He gives very
Speaker 1: clear notes. He doesn't give a ton of notes. Interesting,
Speaker 1: and if you ask him a question like hey, what
Speaker 1: do you think about this, like or I don't know,
Speaker 1: I was thinking about the scene, and he'll literally just
Speaker 1: be like, uh, yeah, I don't know, whatever you want,
Speaker 1: just so light about it, which is kind of was
Speaker 1: a little bit surprising to me, I think on some
Speaker 1: level because he's so razor sharp with what he's trying
Speaker 1: to execute. The product is always so I was kind
Speaker 1: of surprised to experience him as being that free and
Speaker 1: somehow also specific. You know, it depends on the actor,
Speaker 1: Like for someone who's relatively in experienced like me, Like
Speaker 1: if I'm not getting something clear from a director, I
Speaker 1: like I spin out just a little bit and I go, well,
Speaker 1: all right, Like in my mind, the guiding hand is
Speaker 1: not like coming in and the way that I wanted to,
Speaker 1: and that's your own ego. But the fact that it
Speaker 1: all works like for you and Mike, that's very cool. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think I experienced that, like we all do,
Speaker 1: like as actors, there's a part of us that's sort
Speaker 1: of condition to sort of like need the guidance, crave
Speaker 1: the approval, like have the back and forth and all
Speaker 1: of those things, and so it can be really uncomfortable
Speaker 1: in a space where not necessarily getting that like gratification
Speaker 1: all the time. But I think it's really effective in
Speaker 1: a way because it sort of forces you to like
Speaker 1: make choices. And again, like he very much guided everybody,
Speaker 1: but he's also not entirely concerned with like backstory, and
Speaker 1: you know, as actors. It's like you show up and
Speaker 1: you're like, well, I have to have all these intelligent
Speaker 1: questions to ask because I just need him to know
Speaker 1: that I'm thinking about things I care and I have
Speaker 1: opinions and you made the right choice for asking me
Speaker 1: to be here. Like, and I had this meeting with
Speaker 1: him on my schedule when I first got to Italy
Speaker 1: and it was like thirty minutes on my schedule and
Speaker 1: I was like freaking out. I was like, I have
Speaker 1: this is my opportunity to tell him why I deserve
Speaker 1: to be here. And he was like, do you have
Speaker 1: any questions? And I was like, uh no, and he
Speaker 1: was like okay, cool, Well, if you want to change anything,
Speaker 1: let me know. I'm here, text me, call me whatever.
Speaker 1: And literally that was it. And then THEO came in
Speaker 1: and we chatted with him a little bit, but he
Speaker 1: was so like he's like, whatever helps you, Like if
Speaker 1: you want to go through the backstory and figure out
Speaker 1: the things, like, go for it. He was like, but
Speaker 1: the vibe that I got from him is like whatever
Speaker 1: helps you is great, Yeah, and I'm here if you
Speaker 1: need anything, but also like go play, because you almost
Speaker 1: get the sense that like the casting is the part
Speaker 1: maybe where maybe that's where he's thinking a lot, And
Speaker 1: that's why maybe it was a long casting process because
Speaker 1: finding the right person for all these roles is really
Speaker 1: important because when you find that person, then you're trust
Speaker 1: them and whatever they do on screen is what we wanted,
Speaker 1: because I guess that's what acting is, right. It's like
Speaker 1: catching someone in a moment and then like these people
Speaker 1: are just supposed to be living their lives and so
Speaker 1: whatever you do on screen is gonna read. It doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be all this heavy stuff. It can be
Speaker 1: like thrown away And I wonder, do you guys do
Speaker 1: a lot of takes? Do you move on quickly? Kind
Speaker 1: of yeah? Which is yeah. I always felt like that
Speaker 1: whenever like they say like, okay, we're moving on, and
Speaker 1: they're like, no one comes over and looks you in
Speaker 1: the eyes and it's like, hey, that was good and
Speaker 1: what you did here here and here is good and
Speaker 1: that's why we're moving on, which they don't do because
Speaker 1: they get it and then they move on because I
Speaker 1: don't want us a job to do. But hold on,
Speaker 1: wait a second. What as soon as they say like
Speaker 1: checking the gate, You're like, wait, I could probably do
Speaker 1: it better, you know, But I wonder if it is
Speaker 1: like we're capturing these people in a moment, like that's
Speaker 1: what acting is. I'm sure it was informed by the
Speaker 1: fact that you guys were in thistily like on this
Speaker 1: beautiful resort or was it very like were you were
Speaker 1: there to work or were you there to like experience
Speaker 1: things in the way that definitely was yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean the line definitely felt blurred at certain points because
Speaker 1: you are living in the hotel that you're shooting, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, So you're you're in a way
Speaker 1: you are having that experience. Yea, was it weird at
Speaker 1: a certain point. I mean it's kind of weird, but
Speaker 1: it is like fancy like actor summer camp, which is
Speaker 1: like always kind of a fucked up thing, you know,
Speaker 1: like we literally did that island. Yeah. And so I
Speaker 1: always say, like people know about ten percent of the
Speaker 1: story from like what what the movie shows and like
Speaker 1: what we saw in the press and everything, because like
Speaker 1: existing altogether, as a asked, that's like doing this like
Speaker 1: stuff that's a little bit meta, because like we all
Speaker 1: know what it's like to be on vacation with friends
Speaker 1: or like a boyfriend or whatever, and then like you're
Speaker 1: you're doing it and you're there for a long time
Speaker 1: with each other, and there's dynamics in place, so it's
Speaker 1: very Yeah, it's a thing, but overall it was amazing.
Speaker 1: How are you there from February to like the end
Speaker 1: of July? Shut up? Yeah, that's a quick turner of
Speaker 1: this year. We wrapped at the end of July and
Speaker 1: the show came out in October, which is mind boggling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's quick. Yeah, that's quick, especially for something that feels
Speaker 1: so intricate, because that's another like compliment I have for
Speaker 1: the series is that it's really hard to make that
Speaker 1: many characters feel completely fleshed out. Yeah, And like when
Speaker 1: I started watching the episodes, which is something that I
Speaker 1: actually really struggle with. I hate of watching myself people do.
Speaker 1: But I am such a fan of the show and
Speaker 1: I love what everybody else is doing so much that
Speaker 1: I'm just like sucking, I'm watching it. But um, I
Speaker 1: saw some things in the edit where like I remember
Speaker 1: being in a scene and Mike being like, can you
Speaker 1: say this, and just like adding a thing, and then
Speaker 1: it being in the edit in this way where I
Speaker 1: was like he knew then probably that he wanted to
Speaker 1: put that there in that way like I saw like
Speaker 1: into his brain for like two seconds, like he's editing
Speaker 1: the show while he's shooting it. Azing. It was really unbelievable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: can you think of any examples from the first five episodes?
Speaker 1: It was I think it was in the first episode.
Speaker 1: Actually it was something that Daphne says in the scene
Speaker 1: where they're all sitting around drinking sprits is together, but
Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly what the line was. There's the
Speaker 1: scene a few guys in the edible scene. I love
Speaker 1: how it was just like, oh yeah, the Bell Elephants
Speaker 1: monologue is a moment is amazing. But even just like
Speaker 1: the acting like on drugs is like so heavy for
Speaker 1: an actor, I guess, but I think it was so
Speaker 1: perfectly calibrated. It wasn't like overtaking like the performance. It
Speaker 1: wasn't even ever taking like the dialogue in this thing.
Speaker 1: It was just these two people who were talking We're
Speaker 1: stuck in this big villa or platzo, just like waxing
Speaker 1: philosophic about life. And then the whole Bow Elephants not
Speaker 1: along and then obviously the moment of like I'm not
Speaker 1: a victim is just so like, I hope you're very proud.
Speaker 1: I know it's weird to watch yourself, but like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like you're such a standout on the show.
Speaker 1: But everybody, it's like what we're saying, there's not a
Speaker 1: weak link, and it really isn't. There really isn't Sabrina imperially,
Speaker 1: Simona Tabasco, I'm forgetting me as name. I'm sorry. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's just every character that pops up, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see what then is going to be,
Speaker 1: even the characters I really don't like. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's funny because like which has nothing to do with
Speaker 1: anyone's performance, it's obviously all there. But like, you know
Speaker 1: which character I really struggle with, I actually do a
Speaker 1: Porsche like to me. She irritates me so much because
Speaker 1: I'm just like, what do you want? But haven't you
Speaker 1: been her? Though? Between you guys, I have, and I
Speaker 1: think that, yeah, I've been in that situation a million
Speaker 1: times and I have a great deal of shame about it,
Speaker 1: or not shame, but just like in turn of like,
Speaker 1: oh man, that is a human thing, like well it's
Speaker 1: that thing of like there's the guy that you should
Speaker 1: go with. And then there's the guy that like for
Speaker 1: some whatever the reason like turns the screws, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And this this smoke show, Leo would
Speaker 1: all who plays you really do and like the reveal
Speaker 1: at the end of five, like I'm still processing that
Speaker 1: that's uncle. Yeah, I know, that's the darkness by blood. Yes,
Speaker 1: and that's why he's there, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Is it is it actually though or is he just
Speaker 1: saying it's his uncle? Yes? I guess we don't know yet.
Speaker 1: I don't even know the answer is that question, but
Speaker 1: I think it's probably possible, Yeah, that he's not related
Speaker 1: to him. Yeah, and then he's just there, you know,
Speaker 1: to to to do that purpose and be fun and
Speaker 1: like of course the cover is like it's my uncle,
Speaker 1: you do know, I don't know it really is his uncle,
Speaker 1: that is truly, But also like it feels so the show,
Speaker 1: like when she when Jennifer cool it just started to
Speaker 1: walk down the hallway and like by the way I
Speaker 1: felt like Jennifer like Slade this episode to this last episode,
Speaker 1: the opera scene was so beautiful and so funny. It's
Speaker 1: so funny, but it's so like that it's so hurt
Speaker 1: when she's walking down the hallway and like you hear
Speaker 1: these noises. He was like, oh my god, I'm so scared. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was. I mean, it continues to be just
Speaker 1: like that show, and um, I'm so excited it's going
Speaker 1: to continue. And obviously, like it is an anthology, so
Speaker 1: we won't see you in that one, but I wonder
Speaker 1: if we'll see Jennifer. I wonder if Jennifer is going
Speaker 1: all around the world who knows, who knows, who does know?
Speaker 1: Who does know? Megan? Okay, so obviously everyone should be
Speaker 1: watching The White Lotus. But let's get into the damn
Speaker 1: thesis of lost culture, which was Megan Fahey, what was
Speaker 1: the culture that made you say culture was for me?
Speaker 1: This is that thing in pop culture that, for some
Speaker 1: reason you look back on and you're like, that changed me. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: here we are, Avril Levina a tie. I swear to
Speaker 1: God like it really, I can genuinely sit here and
Speaker 1: tell you that it changed my life. Yeah, okay, what
Speaker 1: was it sartorially? Yeah, I honestly I don't even know why.
Speaker 1: I just I was so affected by her her presence
Speaker 1: at that time, like truly started going to Abercrombie and
Speaker 1: Fish and buying men's cargo pants to wear to school
Speaker 1: at Knee's skate shoes. She's never been on a skateboard
Speaker 1: in her legs. Yeah, multiple pairs skate shoes. Where did
Speaker 1: you grow up? Western Mass? Western Mass? So then like,
Speaker 1: you know, for Christmas one year, my lovely adorable parents,
Speaker 1: Like I could cry when I think about them, like
Speaker 1: going onto the Avril Levine site and like buying the
Speaker 1: official merch tie for me for Christmas, And then like
Speaker 1: shortly thereafter, her coming out in an interview and being
Speaker 1: like I hate it when other people were ties, Like
Speaker 1: I was wearing ties because nobody else was wearing them
Speaker 1: and I was thirteen or fourteen or whatever, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I won't recover from this. That's the big
Speaker 1: It was really a big heartbreak. Do you ever see
Speaker 1: the interviews from her like now from that time, and
Speaker 1: she was like I don't fucking no, man, I don't
Speaker 1: like hate pop music, man, like fuck it, Like I
Speaker 1: don't even know to be a pop start man. I'm like,
Speaker 1: are you crazy? You're like she really was on that.
Speaker 1: She was young, and I think she was seventeen when
Speaker 1: her first album came out. I think you're right. I
Speaker 1: think you're right. And I remember like hearing radio DJs
Speaker 1: talk about her like yeah, this new hot chicken on
Speaker 1: the scene. I'm like, I'm like twelve, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: this girl is too young. I know there's something fishery
Speaker 1: about this one. Why are they talking like that? Do
Speaker 1: you think this is like a tomboy phase or was
Speaker 1: it not even that? It was just like this punk
Speaker 1: slash skater which was at the time and still is
Speaker 1: like just very cool, very exactly. There was like a
Speaker 1: quality and like a convention around it that was very
Speaker 1: interesting to people. I feel like it just gave me
Speaker 1: permission in some way to like access this part of
Speaker 1: myself that I didn't I couldn't before. And like you,
Speaker 1: I sang a lot growing up, and so I used
Speaker 1: to do these really embarrassing like it's like one time,
Speaker 1: for like Disney Radio, I like rocked up to like
Speaker 1: this place with like a karaoke machine and like saying
Speaker 1: covers and I say one of I sang one of
Speaker 1: her like darker cuts from the first album. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: was it? Do you remember? Uh? Yeah, it's like losing grip.
Speaker 1: It was. It's been so long, I write this song.
Speaker 1: You don't know me, don't ignore me. See this is
Speaker 1: this thing. It's like my sister had the album and
Speaker 1: I would hear listening to it and this was the
Speaker 1: post the Kelly thing. So I was trying so hard.
Speaker 1: But the hooks were good. I mean, you were onto
Speaker 1: something to be fair. And the guy who was like
Speaker 1: running the little event that I did where I sang
Speaker 1: a cover of that song too a karaoke track, was like,
Speaker 1: maybe next time cut that one. It was like it's
Speaker 1: a little too heavy and I was like, yeah, too
Speaker 1: hardcore for you. Like I loved that that happened. I
Speaker 1: was like, oops, too dark. I was too edgy for
Speaker 1: do you guys want to know something? What we had
Speaker 1: on in the car every hour, every minute we were
Speaker 1: driving was Radio Disney. Yeah. That was huge. It was huge.
Speaker 1: And there would be like little local ads were like
Speaker 1: they're doing an event at the mall and like I
Speaker 1: would beg I wouldn't. I wouldn't even get to the
Speaker 1: point of asking my parents to go. But in my
Speaker 1: mind I was like, if I could show up, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would blow everyone. I'm sure I wouldn't have, but
Speaker 1: it was the dream was just like to show up
Speaker 1: one of those things and meet other kids. You wanted
Speaker 1: to get on the radio. I wanted to get on
Speaker 1: the just to like be on stage or something, you know.
Speaker 1: Like I feel like this is like you like honing
Speaker 1: this skill for years and years, and but that's also
Speaker 1: like it speaks to this thing that I think we
Speaker 1: all probably felt as children, Like did you feel like
Speaker 1: there was just something inside of you where you just
Speaker 1: like you just sort of knew that at some point
Speaker 1: you would probably do some weird stuff in this arena,
Speaker 1: like not even as it applied to being like super
Speaker 1: successful at it, but like I don't, I just like
Speaker 1: I didn't end up going to college because you were working.
Speaker 1: I did next to normal. And I just remember like
Speaker 1: when I I knew that I wasn't going to school,
Speaker 1: like I had applied to colleges and stuff. I like,
Speaker 1: wasn't that surprised that it wasn't happening. Like I grew
Speaker 1: up and I was like, I'm going to go to college.
Speaker 1: That was always the plan, Like I was never planning
Speaker 1: to not go, But when it didn't happen, I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that seems right somehow, Like did you guys have that
Speaker 1: when you were a kids like in any way I
Speaker 1: definitely felt like connected to. Like I remember when American
Speaker 1: Idol first started happening and there was a concept of
Speaker 1: you could go audition and be on anywhere. Changed the
Speaker 1: paradigm for I think that's why I latched onto Kelly
Speaker 1: so much, is because I genuinely felt like she came
Speaker 1: from nowhere and got to become a star just from
Speaker 1: being talented and being herself and etcetera. And that definitely
Speaker 1: was like a north star for me, to the point
Speaker 1: where during the second season of American Idol there was
Speaker 1: a contestant name Matt Rogers, and I thought, well, now
Speaker 1: you can never get my dream yea season two and
Speaker 1: I was like, I remember being like, they're never going
Speaker 1: to have another Matt Rodgers on American Isoland. And I
Speaker 1: remember thinking, as like a thirteen year old, like that
Speaker 1: will be the way that I become who I'm supposed
Speaker 1: to become. It is through American Idol, Like delusional suburban kid,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? But like it's it's not
Speaker 1: delusional at all. You're seeing it like you Well, I
Speaker 1: I just saw it as like a feasible path forward
Speaker 1: because that was what was fed to us by the
Speaker 1: American Idol messaging machine. It was like it can happen
Speaker 1: to you. And also at that time, I was realizing
Speaker 1: I was gay and stuff and like really wanting an
Speaker 1: escape and really thinking like it's got to be bigger
Speaker 1: and more than this, So like, I do identify with
Speaker 1: what you're saying, and clearly Bowen was like, once I
Speaker 1: stormed the stages of Disney Channel, it's going to be
Speaker 1: over for these homes, not even Disney Channel and radio
Speaker 1: radio Disney. Oh my god, that's the That was the Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I love this answer so much
Speaker 1: because it's not just Avril Levine. You're saying, it's Avril
Speaker 1: Levine with the tie. Yeah. Yeah, that's the perfect kind
Speaker 1: of answer where it's so specific. It was bigger than
Speaker 1: just everl Levine, And thank god because we know she
Speaker 1: was a cruel woman, a cruel girl. The second album Slaps, well,
Speaker 1: that was when I had to start retracting it because like,
Speaker 1: did you that I was gonna give it up to you?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, tell me what that song gets forgotten? Okay,
Speaker 1: and the messaging is still hits, like totally, you know,
Speaker 1: she's still out here, like telling you to do whatever
Speaker 1: the funk you want. What's crazy, though, is I actually
Speaker 1: saw her. So that was the first concert I ever
Speaker 1: went to. Great my best friend and her older sister
Speaker 1: took me, and then I saw Levine in Vegas for
Speaker 1: the While we Were Young Fest, which you tried to go,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, how was it? So like you're familiar
Speaker 1: with the conspiracy theory that she's and then what is
Speaker 1: the theory? I'm starting to think about it. I just like,
Speaker 1: I just have never seen someone like truly sounded amazing, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but nothing going on underneath, like a real like Wrotenus
Speaker 1: or or just like I hesitate to say robotic or
Speaker 1: something because that's I feel like this. Well, you don't
Speaker 1: want to say like this person, whoever this person is,
Speaker 1: is in human? No, but I think that it probably
Speaker 1: is fair to say that she's been doing it a
Speaker 1: long fucking time. And there definitely was a point in
Speaker 1: her career where she was like, you know what, give
Speaker 1: him girlfriend, give him, give him the kawaii, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like she definitely like checked out or
Speaker 1: like stopped trying to do it. Was it was Hello
Speaker 1: Kitty was when it was Hello Kitty was a wild
Speaker 1: moment in time. That was a wild moment in times.
Speaker 1: Do you know about this, Katy? This is her fourth album,
Speaker 1: fifth Who Cares? After first was let Go, second was
Speaker 1: oh god, I'm blinking on the name. Third was best
Speaker 1: damn Thing, which is girlfriend, which I think is a
Speaker 1: great No, best that thing is good. But then after
Speaker 1: that she started to do the Hello Kitty song, so
Speaker 1: she did a whole like this is post because we
Speaker 1: we could play it. I think it's important that you
Speaker 1: hear it, Okay, but oh god, goodbye lullabye She's got
Speaker 1: And then there was also keep Holding On from the
Speaker 1: Aragon soundtrack, which actually is about keep it. That was
Speaker 1: like during her phase where she was married to the
Speaker 1: guy from Nickelback right, yes, yes, yes, and that was again.
Speaker 1: And she also dated Brodie Jenner for a long time. Yes,
Speaker 1: remember that. And Brodie Jedder was like, legit, one of
Speaker 1: the hottest guys ever, like obviously like well he's Brodie
Speaker 1: Jenner whatever, but like she dated him for a long time.
Speaker 1: She dated this some forty one guy, Yes she did,
Speaker 1: Derek Whibbley. I think they were even married. They were
Speaker 1: they were married first, then it was nickel Back yea,
Speaker 1: she like had like a oh no, like making an
Speaker 1: aggressive play for like the girls, but this is Africa
Speaker 1: and Stefani did Harris Juku Girls. It came out at
Speaker 1: just the wrong time, which was when it was like
Speaker 1: as a culture everyone was like talking about appropriation and
Speaker 1: so I feel like I kind of understand what she
Speaker 1: was trying to do and it completely failed and it
Speaker 1: was not executed well at all. But it is shocking,
Speaker 1: and I feel like that was when like I don't know,
Speaker 1: like the soul sort of left the body yathing. Is
Speaker 1: this what you're saying. I mean, what you just said
Speaker 1: feels like the way toward it. Yeah, but you can
Speaker 1: see it live like in person. That's that's even more chilling.
Speaker 1: You know. I do think that she seems like a
Speaker 1: full grown adult now and like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: she just came out with back and everything. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I mean, look, she's talented. She's really talented. Is she
Speaker 1: the same girl as the seventeen year old who came out?
Speaker 1: Is she dead and replaced? Not for us to say,
Speaker 1: only God can say. But it's the same thing as
Speaker 1: Paul McCartney, as all the Beatles, specifically Paul McCartney that
Speaker 1: Paul McCartney died and this guy is just like, so
Speaker 1: you mentioned next to normal and I want to ask,
Speaker 1: did you cross over with Alice Ripley or was it
Speaker 1: Marin Maze? So I was an understudy when Alice was
Speaker 1: doing the show, but I did do the show with
Speaker 1: her as an understudy. I saw Alice do it, but
Speaker 1: I believe that was it. Jennifer Jennifer, Jennifer. I did
Speaker 1: see Jennifer on mean, Oh, so you must have been
Speaker 1: on the stage. She was great. You must have been
Speaker 1: in the wings or something like. You guys were roommates, yeah,
Speaker 1: which is like kind of psychotic, like it didn't feel
Speaker 1: weird for us at the time, but like I remember,
Speaker 1: any time it came up and we mentioned that we
Speaker 1: were living together and I was her under study, everyone
Speaker 1: was like, are you guys okay? Yeah, but we were
Speaker 1: having a last Yeah that sounds cool. Yeah, no problem.
Speaker 1: It was so fun. That sounds great. That was an
Speaker 1: amazing show. It was pretty special. I remember, I don't
Speaker 1: think I've ever sobbed like I saw when I saw
Speaker 1: that show. I mean that the entire last Like have
Speaker 1: you seen that? I only know the recording. I don't
Speaker 1: know I've never seen the entire last like fifteen minutes, like, um,
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, number three, perfect for you? That through,
Speaker 1: Like you don't even know, Like that was such a
Speaker 1: special show. I saw it with my friend Mackenzie Derris.
Speaker 1: We won the lottery. Actually we were at m U
Speaker 1: and we won the lottery and it was the first
Speaker 1: time we had ever even tried the lottery. And we
Speaker 1: we got these like the like seats in the balcony,
Speaker 1: like like I called them the Lincoln seats, like disrespectfully,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like those like the ones
Speaker 1: Jennifer was sitting in watching the opera. That's where we were,
Speaker 1: And I had just like such a profound emotional reaction
Speaker 1: to that show. And I think Aaron Tabde had just left, um,
Speaker 1: so I didn't see him, but it was that was
Speaker 1: like such a moment. Was that your Broadway debut? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was like the first thing I ever really did
Speaker 1: on stage. That's oh my god, it's amazing. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: that'll be one of the coolest things I've ever done
Speaker 1: in my whole life for forever. I mean, it was
Speaker 1: just so special. Yeah, And did you stay with it through?
Speaker 1: When Marin was there? Yeah, she's my angel. Her and
Speaker 1: Jason were really incredible. I'm so grateful for them in
Speaker 1: that moment in my life. And I actually might cry
Speaker 1: because I was so young and she was so warm
Speaker 1: and like smart and had great boundaries and like knew
Speaker 1: how to take care of herself and was a team player.
Speaker 1: And I feel like, when you're eighteen and you haven't
Speaker 1: learned how to be in an environment like that, it's
Speaker 1: really easy to learn bad habits from other people. And
Speaker 1: so when she and Jason came in, they like fully
Speaker 1: just scooped me up and like held me through that
Speaker 1: whole experience in this way where I felt like it
Speaker 1: changed how I continued to move through my career after
Speaker 1: that because they were so amazing to me, and Jason's
Speaker 1: I'm still very close with him, and um, I'm just
Speaker 1: yeah that she was an amazing talent. She really was.
Speaker 1: She was really one of the greats. And I almost
Speaker 1: feel like while she was with us, she never really
Speaker 1: got like that moment to be considered like, you know,
Speaker 1: on the level of like Patty and like like, but
Speaker 1: but like she really was, Like I remember there was
Speaker 1: that amazing tribute to Sondheim that they all did and
Speaker 1: she sang losing my mind. It was just so incredible.
Speaker 1: She was one of the greats to have someone like
Speaker 1: that display care. I think it all comes down to care,
Speaker 1: and that's the thing that is unfortunately not super baked
Speaker 1: into Like it's just like human nature, right, It's like
Speaker 1: everyone's in their own little world. Like it's hard to
Speaker 1: in that kind of environment reach out in this way,
Speaker 1: and any form it shows up in like care is
Speaker 1: just like a very powerful thing, especially with what you're
Speaker 1: saying when you're it's your first job, and your first
Speaker 1: job will always be your first job, or maybe it
Speaker 1: wasn't was it technically your first mean, yeah, it was
Speaker 1: your your first job will always be your first job,
Speaker 1: and then it defines so much. Of course, it's still
Speaker 1: like informs that the way you move through your career. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also that show really required everyone involved to be
Speaker 1: an exposed nerve every night, Like that was emotional. That
Speaker 1: must have been tough. It was really hard. But I
Speaker 1: also didn't even know how hard it was because I
Speaker 1: didn't know anything. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: when I think about it now, I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: think I could do it again. Do you want to
Speaker 1: go back to Broadway and do the stage. I would
Speaker 1: love I would love to. Yeah, you look should but
Speaker 1: also like in theory, like everyone wants to do that,
Speaker 1: and then like Broadway is so different now, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like hard. There's like almost nothing
Speaker 1: not to say, there's almost nothing out there, but like
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard. It's figuring itself out. Yeah, especially
Speaker 1: in the new phase of likest pandemic and everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we're going to k Pop the musical premiere in
Speaker 1: a few days. It's going to be fun. Yeah, our
Speaker 1: friend Jason Kim like wrote it and so that'll be fun.
Speaker 1: But there's their stuff out there. Have you seen the
Speaker 1: new Into the Woods? I have not. Oh you have
Speaker 1: to go. You should be Cinderella. Oh god, you should.
Speaker 1: So I actually auditioned for the film yeah, and it
Speaker 1: was like a really embarrassing experience because I was not
Speaker 1: off book with the song. So I was like, Cinderella
Speaker 1: wasn't on the steps of the palace. Yes, Yeah, And
Speaker 1: the casting director was like she like let me stumble through.
Speaker 1: And then she was like, so we're gonna We're gonna
Speaker 1: bring you back. Because I just sort of feel like
Speaker 1: you have to know the song better Um in order
Speaker 1: to audition for this, and I was like, okay, thank you.
Speaker 1: I left. I was like, I will not be returning,
Speaker 1: like I was never going to get that. I think
Speaker 1: I can't even remember if I might have gone back,
Speaker 1: but I just was like, it's not going to be me.
Speaker 1: I I developed like a pretty intense performance anxiety in
Speaker 1: that moment in time. I actually stopped auditioning for musicals
Speaker 1: altogether because I was struggling so much because you had
Speaker 1: like a mental block. Well, I you know, I did
Speaker 1: next to normal, which was very specific. It was like
Speaker 1: this pop rock musical. I never really had any formal training.
Speaker 1: I didn't you know what I mean, So like because
Speaker 1: the show was exactly and because the show was so
Speaker 1: popular and stuff, my agent at the time was like
Speaker 1: sending me in for every musical under the sun. And
Speaker 1: I was getting really intimidated because you know, you're sitting
Speaker 1: outside and you're hearing all these people sing, and they're
Speaker 1: amazing and they have all these I felt like they
Speaker 1: had all these tools that I didn't have, and I
Speaker 1: really spooked myself out. Like I would go into the
Speaker 1: room and I would forget the words or I would
Speaker 1: like crack or like my mouth was drying. I couldn't
Speaker 1: do and and I pushed myself for a while. I
Speaker 1: was like, just do it, just do it, just do it.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, actually, I think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take a break because I don't think I'm learning anything
Speaker 1: from this, Like I think the line between like pushing
Speaker 1: yourself out of your comfort zone and like knowing when
Speaker 1: to protect yourself is a tricky line. And I finally
Speaker 1: got to a place where I was like, I'm not
Speaker 1: this isn't serving me, this is actually only making me
Speaker 1: feel bad. So I'm gonna take a break. And then realize,
Speaker 1: like I also don't have to be in like every
Speaker 1: musical is not right for me, and that's okay, So
Speaker 1: maybe I stop just going in for every musical because
Speaker 1: I can't I have the opportunity to, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, It's sally important to so important to realize
Speaker 1: that to understand that there was a second there where
Speaker 1: when I was like leaving college and again like you
Speaker 1: had no real formal training, Like I did take a
Speaker 1: couple of voice lessons in college, and I was doing
Speaker 1: musical theater, but really it was extended through comedy and
Speaker 1: the way. I always say, like a comedian can learn
Speaker 1: to sing, and there are so many comedians that actually
Speaker 1: have great voices because they're committed. It's like you, you
Speaker 1: you knocked down that boundary because you like forced yourself
Speaker 1: into commitment and bravery and just think, well, I'm not
Speaker 1: the singer, so I might as well just fake it,
Speaker 1: and then you realize like you have access once you
Speaker 1: just take those checkpoints away. But then like you go
Speaker 1: into an audition scenario like walking into fucking Telsey because
Speaker 1: you go in and you listen to these men just
Speaker 1: make sounds that are different from anything you commit. How
Speaker 1: effortless it sounds for them to like, yeah, pop up
Speaker 1: into a belt. It's just like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's like that musical theater sound that's just like, oh,
Speaker 1: you've never smoked a cigarette and looked at it's amazing,
Speaker 1: Like Ben Platt, like the sound he's able to make,
Speaker 1: and how quickly it's it's like I describe it as
Speaker 1: like a weapon. It's like so resonant and so effortless
Speaker 1: that I'm like, I don't even know that my body
Speaker 1: could ever do that. And then I think maybe some
Speaker 1: people are just worn with a certain like way of
Speaker 1: being physically that their body can just make that sound.
Speaker 1: But you walk into healthy and you hear that and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, what the funk? Am I get me
Speaker 1: out of here? Do you know what, Matt? You have?
Speaker 1: You have? Honestly, I'm just realizing in this moment, you're
Speaker 1: my new Avril Levine? What are you? Yeah? Because you
Speaker 1: when we sang together, like did the thing where you
Speaker 1: gave me permission to like be comfortable and get out
Speaker 1: side of myself and like be in the moment with you,
Speaker 1: like because your voice is truly insane and you're also
Speaker 1: the funniest person alive. So your your ability to do
Speaker 1: both of those things, and I could feel you doing
Speaker 1: it to the audience as well, Like it's such a
Speaker 1: magical I mean, both of you honestly can do this thing.
Speaker 1: But I experienced it with you in that moment, and like,
Speaker 1: I'm just it's just landing on me now that like
Speaker 1: you fully did that kind of exactly what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: I experienced it every time we're on a stage together.
Speaker 1: It's it's comfort, It's Here's what I'll say is like
Speaker 1: this is what I would say to anyone, And you
Speaker 1: guys are being so nice, and that's so kind. But
Speaker 1: what literally hacked the whole system for me was just
Speaker 1: that all an audience wants to do is have fun,
Speaker 1: and they just want to have fun. And if and
Speaker 1: if you were having fun, like I feel like everyone
Speaker 1: has fun. And I actually got that from Amy Poehler's book.
Speaker 1: It was called Yes Please, And I've always Amy has
Speaker 1: always been like my person that I'm most inspired I
Speaker 1: would buy. Like I remember when I was like eighteen
Speaker 1: an n y U and closeted and knew I had
Speaker 1: to change my life. I was gonna google the person
Speaker 1: I looked up to most in the world, and that
Speaker 1: was Immi Poler And so I wikipedia at her and
Speaker 1: found out everything she had ever done and like pretty
Speaker 1: much copied her, like I signed up for UCB audition
Speaker 1: for the improv classes or whatever. But when I read
Speaker 1: her book, she said something like the biggest hack, or
Speaker 1: like the the advice I got that I would always
Speaker 1: give everyone else is if you're having fun, they are
Speaker 1: having fun. And so it's just this thing of like
Speaker 1: I find so much joy in singing, I find so
Speaker 1: much joy in performing, and also so much responsibility when
Speaker 1: people buy tickets to see a show that's like with
Speaker 1: your name on. So it's like that thing of you
Speaker 1: better you know what I mean? Every time I go
Speaker 1: out there too, I'm I'm freaking nervous, Like there's I've
Speaker 1: never been more than go lead up to my special no,
Speaker 1: I was like you, I was like a hermit for
Speaker 1: three weeks. But that's your process, though, is that You're like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna not drink. I'm not gonna like have these
Speaker 1: like party hard. It was like an antisocial thing, no drinking,
Speaker 1: no smoking. Like it was like, which is like hard
Speaker 1: for me someone that likes to, you know, go out
Speaker 1: and stuff. But but it is important, like you do
Speaker 1: have to take care of yourself so that you can
Speaker 1: be in the mental space to go out there and
Speaker 1: then give can I scope out a little bit because
Speaker 1: I think the three of us all have this thing
Speaker 1: of I wasn't formally trained, right, and which is which
Speaker 1: is a thing that stays with you forever. Yeah, do
Speaker 1: you feel like you're over that a little bit or now,
Speaker 1: I mean maybe a little bit, but but now that
Speaker 1: you're saying that, like I do feel like it's they're
Speaker 1: a bit like when I found out that I was
Speaker 1: going to do the white lotus. I was so excited
Speaker 1: for two seconds, but I was immediately terrified, yes, because
Speaker 1: you know everyone is going to see this, and I
Speaker 1: didn't feel like I could hang with the cat like that.
Speaker 1: There were so many amazing actors that I felt like
Speaker 1: had earned their spot, and there was this part of
Speaker 1: me in my head that was like, you haven't done
Speaker 1: that yet. Yeah, But that's all comes down to is
Speaker 1: that it is imposter syndrome. Clearly, it does not camper
Speaker 1: anything for either of you. That it's not a thing
Speaker 1: that people think about. It's not formally trained. Why is
Speaker 1: he trying to hit that note? You know? Like or like, clearly, Megan,
Speaker 1: you're in control of like your instrument, because like in
Speaker 1: every scene, I'm just like, how did she do that?
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I'm saying this as a way to
Speaker 1: like pet myself up a bit because I'm like, that's
Speaker 1: really been like in the brain on the brain for
Speaker 1: a little bit for me. I'm like, oh am I
Speaker 1: even now still Oh yeah, I mean he's the most
Speaker 1: famous television show in the world. But yeah, like talk
Speaker 1: about pressure, like I can't even imagine truly. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: it's that thing where I've I've lost the threat of
Speaker 1: like the fun a little bit, and it's kind of like,
Speaker 1: and that's purely internal. There are definitely external factors, but like,
Speaker 1: I just gotta I just gotta get back on the fun.
Speaker 1: It's interesting that you bring that up because I was
Speaker 1: watching actually, like the interviews with the whole cast. They
Speaker 1: have these really fun like features. Yeah, I watched all
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, and I love the entire cast, So
Speaker 1: I watched all of them. But did you see it
Speaker 1: was like the three Italian and actresses and Sabrina and
Speaker 1: Patratore who plays Valentina. Sorry, I have I have it
Speaker 1: to there's something going around, and it's not COVID. I've
Speaker 1: taken a million COVID test a day and I barely
Speaker 1: have um. But I was watching an interview with her
Speaker 1: and she was saying, how you know, when you're an
Speaker 1: Italian actor and then you get this big American show
Speaker 1: that's like crazy, so like you felt a certain way
Speaker 1: about it, and then someone who's like, now I'm going
Speaker 1: to be on the world stage for real, and this
Speaker 1: is really going to change my career, especially in the
Speaker 1: role of the manager, which was done so to Emmy winning.
Speaker 1: You know, expert Success by Murray Bartlett, and she said
Speaker 1: that she described a situation where she got to set
Speaker 1: and she started to have a panic attack, and that
Speaker 1: Michael Imperioli came over to her and was like, hey,
Speaker 1: you're you're amazing. You're supposed to be here for anybody
Speaker 1: who wasn't sure showbiz legend. Truly the kindest, loveliest man.
Speaker 1: You get that obsessed with him and his wife, they're
Speaker 1: they're amazing and that character too. So I felt so
Speaker 1: heartbroken for him when he was walking on the beach
Speaker 1: on that last episode and he was then as a disease,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it was sad, like
Speaker 1: you know, like I understand by the way that first episode,
Speaker 1: like one of the most iconic scenes was when he
Speaker 1: gets on the phone with Laura Dern, who's playing the
Speaker 1: voice of the wife, and she's absolutely screaming at him.
Speaker 1: You're like, what done? And then you realize, like when
Speaker 1: you get to the end of five, like he's really sick,
Speaker 1: Like he's got a disease, and like you know, you
Speaker 1: see him struggle with it and really want to be better,
Speaker 1: but he is he is a sex He's a sex
Speaker 1: addict to the extent where like he is fully self
Speaker 1: destructive and you do see him like angry at his father,
Speaker 1: who's f Murray Abram stunning. I mean that scene with
Speaker 1: them at dinner when I watched them film that, did you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was sitting at the monitor like whenever I could sneak. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm watching cool it Are you kidding me? Um backstage pass? Yeah.
Speaker 1: I watched them do that scene and I just cried.
Speaker 1: I was like, how and they make it just seems easy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what he said I loved your Mother's like he's like,
Speaker 1: I loved your mother. It's not that simple, and Marie
Speaker 1: Ambram goes, yes, it is, and he just lays back.
Speaker 1: I said, that is a film right there. I was like,
Speaker 1: he just just the way the camera sat on him
Speaker 1: as he sat back in his chair too. I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: this is the ship right there. That was really good
Speaker 1: writing of this episode of five, just excellent. I've still
Speaker 1: I'm sorry keep bringing it up, Megan, is it Let's see, like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. I was like at the spooky moment,
Speaker 1: I was glad that Mike also wanted it to be spooky. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you are a little scarier. That's a little scary. I
Speaker 1: also thought there was a little bit of when you
Speaker 1: said to Aubrey, like, well, you have to do things
Speaker 1: that make you feel better. I thought you were kind
Speaker 1: of coming on to her a little bit. I thought
Speaker 1: there was a little bit look at oh my god, Like,
Speaker 1: first of all, I love Aubrey Plaza, and you know
Speaker 1: what it all changed for me? Ingrad goes We Go West.
Speaker 1: Of course I love that movie. She's so great. She's
Speaker 1: really pulling back the live see apparently the premiere it
Speaker 1: came up recently and like my into stories, but at
Speaker 1: the premiere, like Elizabeth Olsen wears the dress and then
Speaker 1: Aubrey Plasa in the same dress, which is such a funny,
Speaker 1: totally planned. Yeah, it's such a great comedy. We we
Speaker 1: almost did something sort of like that in the scene
Speaker 1: where we go to NOO and I'm wearing those like
Speaker 1: insane space buns. Yeah. She and I were getting ready
Speaker 1: to go do that pool scene and she was like,
Speaker 1: should I put my hair blackers? And I was like,
Speaker 1: So she did it and we went down and of
Speaker 1: course Mike was like, I don't care. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: then her hair her hair person was like, I don't
Speaker 1: think you should do it looks bad. She was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: it would have been so cute if you guys had
Speaker 1: the same hair. We just thought it was so funny,
Speaker 1: like maybe either Daphne did her hair or or she
Speaker 1: was just like really trying to hop on board and
Speaker 1: was like, too, it would have so much that the pool.
Speaker 1: I recently shot something where I had to be in
Speaker 1: the water. That is a lot during the water for
Speaker 1: a long time. Let me tell you about shooting in
Speaker 1: the ocean. Let's chat about this. So you opened the
Speaker 1: series and it's like, so you're with the two Survivor contestants, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, I'm a major Survivor fan. Same, So
Speaker 1: did you know Angelina and Kara going in? Like who
Speaker 1: they were? I watched that season when I got to
Speaker 1: sicily with Adam Marco, Yeah, and we were both completely obsessed.
Speaker 1: We would a set and asked Mike, so do you
Speaker 1: really not have a cheese? Like we wanted to know everything.
Speaker 1: And then towards the end, because we shot that scene,
Speaker 1: like yes, Mike was like, guess who's who scenes with you?
Speaker 1: I literally fangirled. They were having dinner one night and
Speaker 1: I was like, can I come meet them? They were
Speaker 1: amazing and so lovely and they were great. They were
Speaker 1: One really funny thing that happened though, was like Angelina
Speaker 1: when the body gets pulled from the water. I guess
Speaker 1: during one of the days, she was like crying a lot,
Speaker 1: like an acting and Mike went up to and he
Speaker 1: was like, Angela, not stopped crying. He was like, you
Speaker 1: don't know this person, it's not sad sharing and she
Speaker 1: was like, okay, fine, sorry, like I just was drying something.
Speaker 1: It was very like they have such a cute banter.
Speaker 1: Seeing him with them was really special because I feel
Speaker 1: like they just went through this like really specific, crazy
Speaker 1: experience and like he they're so close, you know, like
Speaker 1: and they still take such good care of each other.
Speaker 1: Like he's such a loyal person in my experience, Like
Speaker 1: I think he likes to keep his people close to him,
Speaker 1: which is like so nice. But yeah, shooting in the
Speaker 1: water was like really it's really hard times one a
Speaker 1: million times, and the water is pretty warm when you
Speaker 1: first get into it, but after a while it just
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. It's so cold and like running so the
Speaker 1: water is really shallow, so we had to go pretty
Speaker 1: far out in order for it to be deep enough
Speaker 1: for me to like have enough water, So I had
Speaker 1: to run like kind of far in to get to
Speaker 1: the beach and it was so hard. I was getting
Speaker 1: to the beach and my knees were like buckling and
Speaker 1: I was falling, and Mike was like, I really loved
Speaker 1: how you fell, and I was like, great, because I
Speaker 1: can't not fall. I was like, that wasn't a choice.
Speaker 1: Like my body is literally like I'm getting out of
Speaker 1: the water and the resistance is going away and I'm
Speaker 1: like collapsing. But yeah, the body next day was a blob,
Speaker 1: Like were you so damn sore? Yeah, yeah, I can't imagine.
Speaker 1: I don't want I don't ever want to do that.
Speaker 1: And then for you to have to like emote like
Speaker 1: discovery shock discussed, you know, like it was all there too.
Speaker 1: It was really good. It was really good. You know,
Speaker 1: there was going to be a scene we can reveal
Speaker 1: at the end of Fire Island. There was going to
Speaker 1: be the original climax was going to be so bowing
Speaker 1: gets on the ferry and like rides away and he's
Speaker 1: going home, and there was going to be a scene
Speaker 1: where he'd jumped the ferry and had to swim to
Speaker 1: like James fully in the water and they were going
Speaker 1: to have like a romantic moment and they had to
Speaker 1: cut it because why, like the pH of the water
Speaker 1: was like it was too shallow for me to jump
Speaker 1: twenty feet up from from the water and it just
Speaker 1: was putrid, rancid water. Yeah, and so it was for
Speaker 1: a good reason. But I was a little bit like
Speaker 1: but then also like the logistics of having to do that,
Speaker 1: you would have been I would have hated because like
Speaker 1: it's not just one well we jump in the water
Speaker 1: and swim or we got it on film. It's like
Speaker 1: that would have been maybe even two days. Yeah, totally, totally, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's intense, very very glad. Oh my god, Well listen,
Speaker 1: will you put the good word in for Mike White
Speaker 1: to come on this podcast, because like, of course we would,
Speaker 1: we would give him a very good interview, like it
Speaker 1: would be it would feel like we could always just ask,
Speaker 1: but like I feel like we need people to put
Speaker 1: it in his ear. That's always the best way to
Speaker 1: go that. I feel like he would be a great
Speaker 1: guest and be love to talk to both of you.
Speaker 1: We just truly what a treat both of you and well,
Speaker 1: this has been seriously We're obsessed and it's not over yet.
Speaker 1: We are now transitioning to our final segment, which is
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. This is that one minute
Speaker 1: segment that we do when we take a minute to
Speaker 1: rail again something in pop culture that really is needs
Speaker 1: to be I have something, I have something to you
Speaker 1: go first. As a tradition, this is the first Matt
Speaker 1: Rodgers is I don't think so, honey. As time starts now,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. The white Lotus is Porsche.
Speaker 1: We love you, we stand, we support the girl, and
Speaker 1: we support the girls, and we think that you are
Speaker 1: a young rising talent. But your character is sucking bugging
Speaker 1: me boot, Like what do you want because Adam DeMarco,
Speaker 1: guess what, Like we saw what he did to Luccia
Speaker 1: in that last scene, like he could put it all
Speaker 1: the way down. So I'm sorry, but you know what, like,
Speaker 1: don't be dirp, but dirp if you don't want to
Speaker 1: get fucked, because you were being dirp and dirt and
Speaker 1: that's why he was giving you nice point energy. Come forward,
Speaker 1: come for like you came to Leo Woodall you need
Speaker 1: to be giving. We need to turn the body out,
Speaker 1: give sexual energy, forward Porsche, and then you would have
Speaker 1: gotten fucked by Abbie. And everyone wants to get fun
Speaker 1: by the King. I want to get by the King second.
Speaker 1: I'll be with his curly hair and his beautiful skin.
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely obsessed. And you know he's got that five
Speaker 1: energy because his father and his grandfather were fun boys.
Speaker 1: O G. I don't think isn't even that bad of
Speaker 1: a boss that there? I would never want it. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to be her. Excuse me though, Like I
Speaker 1: was watching her in last episode and like Jennifer Coolidge
Speaker 1: goes over to her and like Tanya says to PORTIONA,
Speaker 1: like you're having sex on the boat, aren't you like work?
Speaker 1: And then walks away, and I'm like, what's bad about
Speaker 1: this boss? She took you to Italy? She said, you
Speaker 1: don't even have to work, just go do whatever your
Speaker 1: thing is. Just stay at the resort. And you're crying
Speaker 1: and upset and mad. Get over yourself, girl? If I
Speaker 1: should up as their assistant. And then the first thing
Speaker 1: she says to me in the lobby is you gotta
Speaker 1: get lost. I'm like, I'd be like, what am I
Speaker 1: supposed to do? No? I'd be like perfect, and you
Speaker 1: know she makes six figures. No, I'm sorry, but as
Speaker 1: the assistant to Tanya to to like a wealth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like an old money person. She's got half a
Speaker 1: billion dollars. I think I think she's got like that's
Speaker 1: that's like part of the thing, right, yes, yes, and
Speaker 1: so yeah, six figures. Maybe I would venture to guess
Speaker 1: like nine grand, okay, income, But the fact is, like
Speaker 1: you're in Italy on vacation and then she tells you
Speaker 1: get lost. She's telling you to stay in your room,
Speaker 1: which is the only thing you're not supposed to do
Speaker 1: in this Yeah, but guess what then she didn't stay
Speaker 1: in her room and she's not fired. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I'm just like hesitated, who's out and about?
Speaker 1: Yeah that's true. I mean, listen, I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 1: I just I don't like the way she's doing Albi. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, Albie is a sweet, sweet boy. You know what,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people think he's the killer.
Speaker 1: That's what people are saying. Yeah, I will say first season,
Speaker 1: I wasn't really thinking about who the killer would be.
Speaker 1: Second this season, I'm going, oh, the tension is being
Speaker 1: so perfectly dialed up for everybody that I'm like A
Speaker 1: could be any of them, and that's the fun of
Speaker 1: the mystery. I'll tell you what I hated. I hated
Speaker 1: when um, when Cameron touched Harper's leg. I hated that
Speaker 1: and bothered me the most was that I think Harper
Speaker 1: worked it a little bit. And then I was putting
Speaker 1: myself in harper shoes and I was like, that is
Speaker 1: that fucking douche bag? That is like, like, why are
Speaker 1: you making me think he's very good at playing that
Speaker 1: guy's so he's British. I didn't realize Australian. He's British.
Speaker 1: Well let me the accent work is work and they're
Speaker 1: both a gorgeous man, truly, the whole castutes period all around. Well,
Speaker 1: that's how I feel about Ms Porsche. I have a
Speaker 1: non weight Lotus. That's actually fine. Okay, we've talked so
Speaker 1: much about it, so this is I don't think so,
Speaker 1: honeyest time starts now, I don't think so, honey. Paper
Speaker 1: towels and bathrooms that are stacked on the tray you
Speaker 1: have to pull down because otherwise the only choice you
Speaker 1: have to make with wet hands is grabbed too many.
Speaker 1: No one has the wherewithal to only pluck one or two,
Speaker 1: which is all you really need. But everyone gets a
Speaker 1: little greedy in the bathroom. No one, no one is
Speaker 1: above it. No one is above it. That is the
Speaker 1: human condition. It's got to be in the dispenser. So
Speaker 1: you can only pull down. You have to only be
Speaker 1: able to pull down on the paper towel. You cannot
Speaker 1: grab up. Do you know what I'm saying can make sense?
Speaker 1: We have to fix this. This is this is single
Speaker 1: handedly going to kill the planet. It's not billionaires, it's
Speaker 1: not corporations, it's us. It's individuals in the bathroom grab
Speaker 1: and stacks and stacks of pt s and we got
Speaker 1: and where there's no overcoming it in the human nature
Speaker 1: of it. You know what else is annoying When you
Speaker 1: with wet hands go into the thing or grab from
Speaker 1: the side and then you leave, you like you realize
Speaker 1: you made the whole stack wet with your own and
Speaker 1: then people. Yeah, and another thing, if a bunch of
Speaker 1: paper towels are all wet, then you probably are going
Speaker 1: to take all those wet paper towels and throw them
Speaker 1: out and waste them and then make a mess when
Speaker 1: you're drying your hands and it's just this cyclical thing.
Speaker 1: Get them off the tray, away from the sink, put
Speaker 1: them in the dispenser. Yeah, but then I'm going to
Speaker 1: say something else. So you want to just bypass the
Speaker 1: paper towels altogether and go to the dry But now
Speaker 1: the dryers nowadays are not cut and dry. It's not
Speaker 1: just a hole that you put your hands under and
Speaker 1: they go. It's like those weird like verticals, like disagonal ones,
Speaker 1: the dicing ones, where am I supposed to put my
Speaker 1: hands to activate this? I'm like this I'm doing and
Speaker 1: looking in front of it, trying to get my hands dry.
Speaker 1: If this is me with my like trying to get
Speaker 1: the electric soap things like? Am I crazy? And then
Speaker 1: you start moving from sink to sink, just like moving
Speaker 1: your hands under the thing hoping that it will come out.
Speaker 1: I mean, what are we? What are we? What are
Speaker 1: we doing? Also, automatic toilet flushers, No thanks, I got it,
Speaker 1: No thanks, I would take care of you. You're missing
Speaker 1: your cue? Yeah, hello, get the stage manager in here.
Speaker 1: And then of course they all have the little button,
Speaker 1: which I'll tell you I did not realize. I thought
Speaker 1: when it was an automatic flusher, there was not an
Speaker 1: option to flush yourself. I also just learned this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had many anxious moments in public restrooms where I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to walk out of here. It's and someone
Speaker 1: is waiting and I can't anymore. I just have to
Speaker 1: go by and then you run out. But you have
Speaker 1: to wash your hands an obstacle, Oh my god. Whatever.
Speaker 1: There was a whole plot pointing Gray's Anatomy season two.
Speaker 1: By the way, she just announced she's done. I know,
Speaker 1: did you hear that? Time to walk away at night seasons?
Speaker 1: I love that woman. Listen. One of the best episodes
Speaker 1: of television was what was Callie? Didn't wash your hands?
Speaker 1: She's a surgeon? Was big drama? That was Pete Grays
Speaker 1: when it was drama dy when it was kind of
Speaker 1: a comedy, kind of a drama. Were you ever on Grays?
Speaker 1: I was never. Why don't I think you guest starred
Speaker 1: on Grays? I love that you give Grays energy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well I think I saved all of my guest star
Speaker 1: wish energy for spu. Yes, and we multiple times. Just
Speaker 1: one this one? Was it a good one? It was
Speaker 1: a very good one. What was it? I had a
Speaker 1: chess piece that said one wild ride. Okay, yeah, oh
Speaker 1: my god, and a kid? Yes, who are you seeing? Partners?
Speaker 1: Mariska Kelly? Kelly? What is what is the Mariska vibe? Queen?
Speaker 1: She was so lovely to me. She also ways deeply funny.
Speaker 1: Was ripping jokes all day, which is kind of genius
Speaker 1: when you think about it, It's probably a very necessary
Speaker 1: thing for her, so heavy and dark. Um, she just
Speaker 1: had everybody cracking up the whole day and she was
Speaker 1: just great, Well, now we're going to crack open a
Speaker 1: new I don't think so, honey. With Megan, are you
Speaker 1: do you have a you have a topic? I do.
Speaker 1: I'm nervous that I can't speak about it for a minute.
Speaker 1: But let's see what happen. You're people find that they
Speaker 1: have so much more to say than they ever can
Speaker 1: think about these things that shag at them. A little controversial.
Speaker 1: I talked to my friend, she'll be about it on
Speaker 1: my way here, and she disagrees with what I'm about
Speaker 1: to say. May or may not be the end of
Speaker 1: our friendship. We love discord, we love discourse, discord and discourse. Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe not all right, this is Megan phase. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey, her time starts. Now, I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: hot coffee, okay, don't know. And he gave me hot.
Speaker 1: I was like, hot coffee is a scam. Hot coffee
Speaker 1: is never hot. And beyond that, as a society, we
Speaker 1: do nothing to support coffee being hot. Have you ever
Speaker 1: been in a restaurant and asked for a hot coffee
Speaker 1: and had it served to you in a device that
Speaker 1: is meant to help that thing stay hot. The only
Speaker 1: thing it's supposed to be is hot, and they're giving
Speaker 1: us paper mugs, they're giving us glass, whatever, porcelain, nothing.
Speaker 1: It doesn't keep it hot. I always get ice coffee
Speaker 1: because it comes cold and it stays cold, and I
Speaker 1: like to know what I'm in for. It sounds really great.
Speaker 1: But this coffee that I have right here was warm
Speaker 1: four fifteen seconds and now it's not even cold. It's
Speaker 1: like tepid. It's disgusting. Yeah, exactly. So I think that
Speaker 1: America runs on Duncan. But does it that a set
Speaker 1: six America runs duck but found dead? All right? Wait,
Speaker 1: this actually is a huge almost because now you're a
Speaker 1: true ally, because as we know, gay people are ice coffee,
Speaker 1: and so that's something important to say, and also I
Speaker 1: want to reveal something. So when I was younger, when
Speaker 1: I was a little boy on the sixth grade, my
Speaker 1: science fair experiment was what type of um container would
Speaker 1: keep something hot or cold the longest. The answer styrofoam.
Speaker 1: And you're gonna get sick and you're gonna poison the
Speaker 1: environment everything else. The results were so bleak. Hot things
Speaker 1: became cold very quickly, so fast, so fast. And that's
Speaker 1: the thing with hot, it becomes cold. It becomes cold.
Speaker 1: That's the thing with hot, it becomes cold. My thing lately,
Speaker 1: just one little shot of espresso. You take it to
Speaker 1: the hat and then you don't have to worry about
Speaker 1: it cooling or anything. It's just hard. That's so European.
Speaker 1: It's very Italian. I it's very Italian, and I kind
Speaker 1: of feel it feels right. Even if I drink coffee.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's really hitting the receptors anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now that we're used to cold brew, I think it's
Speaker 1: time to move on. I really do from cold brew
Speaker 1: as a culture. Why it's driving us crazy, Well, honey,
Speaker 1: I knew that I have too. I'm a killing machine.
Speaker 1: There you go. I'm not even killing yeah, why is
Speaker 1: it like lighter fluid? Like what is happening with the
Speaker 1: caffeine level. Someone said to me yesterday, I'm on my
Speaker 1: second cold brew and I looked down on my phone.
Speaker 1: It was like like what, no one's ever like, I'm
Speaker 1: glad I did that. No, when I didn't know what
Speaker 1: cold brew was, when I didn't know it was different
Speaker 1: than nice coffee. I once drank two like in a row.
Speaker 1: I thought it was attack. I felt like I was
Speaker 1: on Molly. I felt like I was working, you know,
Speaker 1: the Boys and White Lotus. Yeah, well that's a great
Speaker 1: way to process two cold bruise. I think if I
Speaker 1: did that, start like sweating and crying. It wasn't shaking.
Speaker 1: It was like that. I mean it was it was
Speaker 1: like a not good experience. And I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: can't do that again. Now I understand, Like I just
Speaker 1: didn't realize. I thought that poll brew was a new
Speaker 1: name we were giving nice coffee. No, No, I was wrong.
Speaker 1: You were deeply wrong. Can we talk about really quickly
Speaker 1: because you just you brought up the boys on Molly.
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with the girls, But Sabrina or Simona, sorry,
Speaker 1: Simona Tobasco Luccia. She's she's a star. She is terry star,
Speaker 1: just alive in every moment. Also not for nothing, but
Speaker 1: like she didn't speak much English when she started the show,
Speaker 1: and I hate that I'm thinking about this, but I'm like,
Speaker 1: I couldn't give if I was acting in a different
Speaker 1: in a language that I did not speak that well,
Speaker 1: I don't know that I would be able to like
Speaker 1: give it this. That's the thing that's so impressive about
Speaker 1: her presence and what she brings to the character because
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine how difficult that would have been
Speaker 1: for her. Like no and her family speaks English. She
Speaker 1: learned so much and even just like when I saw
Speaker 1: her for the premiere, she's like so good. I mean,
Speaker 1: she's and just like as an actress, Like watching her,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, you've got the special thing where like
Speaker 1: you just walking across the frame is like effective, like
Speaker 1: it just does something. She's alive in every moment. There
Speaker 1: was a moment where she went over to the bar
Speaker 1: to order a drink, and just the way that she
Speaker 1: was behaving, I was like, this, hell is really she's
Speaker 1: really the two of them together and so cute story.
Speaker 1: They are really close friends. In real life, they're on
Speaker 1: like an Italian show together. They put each other on
Speaker 1: tape and Mike had no idea and cast them without knowing,
Speaker 1: and then they both saw it. Isn't that so sweet?
Speaker 1: They put each other on tape for it? I know,
Speaker 1: but you know what, I think you remember? I remember.
Speaker 1: I think they might have mentioned that in the interview
Speaker 1: that I was watching with Sabrina, because they were all
Speaker 1: sort of like talking about how the Italian style of
Speaker 1: acting is actually very different from the American style of acting.
Speaker 1: The Italian style of acting is more like you really
Speaker 1: play and you give like a picture, whereas like the
Speaker 1: American style of acting is obviously like you know, we're
Speaker 1: really delving into the being and the living as the person.
Speaker 1: You know. It's just different in Italy. And so this
Speaker 1: was a different opportunity for them because it was yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm saying, like, there's so much going on under
Speaker 1: the surface, and I'm just like really having a blast
Speaker 1: watching that. I'm super excited for the three of them.
Speaker 1: It's really cool. And you know what's interesting you say
Speaker 1: that she didn't speak English that well, because even in
Speaker 1: this interview that I watched of them, like there was
Speaker 1: a couple of times that she just starts speaking Italian
Speaker 1: because you can tell she's not comfortable with the language.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because on the show it seems like
Speaker 1: her character Lucia is more comfortable speaking English than Mia. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: that actress whose name is yeah, yeah, she's stunned, so
Speaker 1: she actually spooks the most perfect English in the show.
Speaker 1: She has a hard time. Yeah, is that interesting? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's it's a characters like Lucia is a bit
Speaker 1: more like free wheeling and then me as a little
Speaker 1: bit more like she's had to enterprise a lot with
Speaker 1: American guests. That means so. And we were also talking
Speaker 1: about how we love the depiction of sex work in
Speaker 1: the show as just something that these people do, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's not like shamed anyway, even
Speaker 1: the American guests, like of course they refer to them
Speaker 1: as hookers, like whatever. There's still that like a little
Speaker 1: bit of whatever. But the show is very like these
Speaker 1: are girls that this is what they do for a living.
Speaker 1: They're they're not ashamed of it. And of course, like
Speaker 1: later on in this season, you see that their reality
Speaker 1: is a little dark, like with whoever Seo, who was
Speaker 1: ever like managing their operation, but like it's very respectful
Speaker 1: for Trayal. Yeah, I don't think Mike is commenting on it.
Speaker 1: They're just characters whose job is in sex work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think that's unique. You know, it's not like
Speaker 1: they don't exist to comment on that dynamic. There's no commentary,
Speaker 1: which is great. And also what's what I love is
Speaker 1: that those characters seem to be the bridge for all
Speaker 1: the people, for all the characters, like they're the ones
Speaker 1: who are the most mobility in terms of different groups,
Speaker 1: and that's that's such a great way of storytelling in
Speaker 1: this season that we're obsessed. Yeah, I texted like the
Speaker 1: characters are overlapping like the way that everyone is now
Speaker 1: because I've been waiting for that. And it's also like
Speaker 1: a beautiful slow burn, like excellent. You know. Who I
Speaker 1: really think, though, is going to be like the breakout
Speaker 1: of the whole thing is Leo Ye. Like fully, I
Speaker 1: think he's going to be like James Bond. He's got
Speaker 1: it to Yeah, he has an effortless sex appeal, charm
Speaker 1: on camber pops his like beautiful light eyes me you
Speaker 1: sbolutely stunning. And also it's like if there was going
Speaker 1: to be a character that pulls you away again. Perfect cast.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean. It's like if I if I'm
Speaker 1: with someone and like dating them every single day of
Speaker 1: a trip, and then that guy comes in, Yeah, who's
Speaker 1: not leaving with that guy? Actually watched port and then
Speaker 1: I don't think sunny myself, take it back, I get it,
Speaker 1: like you're a human woman, girl, Like, come on, is
Speaker 1: unbelievable anyway. The White Lotus is obviously airing on HBO.
Speaker 1: You can stream it by HBO max. Is it Sunday Nights?
Speaker 1: Yea Sunday Nights. And the fucking breakout star is Megan Fahan.
Speaker 1: We're so excited that everyone's this was so fun. You
Speaker 1: guys are unbelievable. I thank you for having me, and
Speaker 1: you know that we we didn't even talk about how
Speaker 1: we literally met at Vulture Fest, like several years we
Speaker 1: interviewed you guys. Wait, yeah, that was us. We were there.
Speaker 1: We were the video interviewers from from this was after
Speaker 1: the after making Market married. The day that Megan Mark
Speaker 1: got married was when we met you Asia and Katie,
Speaker 1: And we didn't even talk about how I met you
Speaker 1: at Betty whose concert at Yes, I did remember that
Speaker 1: was the night I got with Jared. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: so funny, personal history. It's all a very small world.
Speaker 1: Love it. We adore and thank you so much for
Speaker 1: being here. And we end every episode with a song,
Speaker 1: Is there anyone trying to find me? Well, Toby, come
Speaker 1: take me? It's a trying won't you take me? Don't
Speaker 1: know who you are now if you want to hear
Speaker 1: Avril absolutely well the final chorus, and we will give
Speaker 1: her credit on this. Wee listen to the album let
Speaker 1: Go by Avril Leviv by