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Speaker 1: like I spin out just a little bit and I go, well,

425
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: all right, Like in my mind, the guiding hand is

426
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,959
Speaker 1: not like coming in and the way that I wanted to,

427
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,199
Speaker 1: and that's your own ego. But the fact that it

428
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: all works like for you and Mike, that's very cool. Well, yeah,

429
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: I mean I think I experienced that, like we all do,

430
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 1: like as actors, there's a part of us that's sort

431
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 1: of condition to sort of like need the guidance, crave

432
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 1: the approval, like have the back and forth and all

433
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 1: of those things, and so it can be really uncomfortable

434
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: in a space where not necessarily getting that like gratification

435
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: all the time. But I think it's really effective in

436
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: a way because it sort of forces you to like

437
00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 1: make choices. And again, like he very much guided everybody,

438
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: but he's also not entirely concerned with like backstory, and

439
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 1: you know, as actors. It's like you show up and

440
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: you're like, well, I have to have all these intelligent

441
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: questions to ask because I just need him to know

442
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: that I'm thinking about things I care and I have

443
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: opinions and you made the right choice for asking me

444
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: to be here. Like, and I had this meeting with

445
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: him on my schedule when I first got to Italy

446
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,919
Speaker 1: and it was like thirty minutes on my schedule and

447
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: I was like freaking out. I was like, I have

448
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 1: this is my opportunity to tell him why I deserve

449
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: to be here. And he was like, do you have

450
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 1: any questions? And I was like, uh no, and he

451
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: was like okay, cool, Well, if you want to change anything,

452
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 1: let me know. I'm here, text me, call me whatever.

453
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: And literally that was it. And then THEO came in

454
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: and we chatted with him a little bit, but he

455
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 1: was so like he's like, whatever helps you, Like if

456
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: you want to go through the backstory and figure out

457
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: the things, like, go for it. He was like, but

458
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: the vibe that I got from him is like whatever

459
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 1: helps you is great, Yeah, and I'm here if you

460
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: need anything, but also like go play, because you almost

461
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: get the sense that like the casting is the part

462
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: maybe where maybe that's where he's thinking a lot, And

463
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 1: that's why maybe it was a long casting process because

464
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 1: finding the right person for all these roles is really

465
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 1: important because when you find that person, then you're trust

466
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: them and whatever they do on screen is what we wanted,

467
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: because I guess that's what acting is, right. It's like

468
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: catching someone in a moment and then like these people

469
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: are just supposed to be living their lives and so

470
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: whatever you do on screen is gonna read. It doesn't

471
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: have to be all this heavy stuff. It can be

472
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: like thrown away And I wonder, do you guys do

473
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: a lot of takes? Do you move on quickly? Kind

474
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: of yeah? Which is yeah. I always felt like that

475
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: whenever like they say like, okay, we're moving on, and

476
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: they're like, no one comes over and looks you in

477
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: the eyes and it's like, hey, that was good and

478
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: what you did here here and here is good and

479
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: that's why we're moving on, which they don't do because

480
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: they get it and then they move on because I

481
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: don't want us a job to do. But hold on,

482
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: wait a second. What as soon as they say like

483
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: checking the gate, You're like, wait, I could probably do

484
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: it better, you know, But I wonder if it is

485
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: like we're capturing these people in a moment, like that's

486
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 1: what acting is. I'm sure it was informed by the

487
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: fact that you guys were in thistily like on this

488
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: beautiful resort or was it very like were you were

489
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 1: there to work or were you there to like experience

490
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 1: things in the way that definitely was yeah, yeah, I

491
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 1: mean the line definitely felt blurred at certain points because

492
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: you are living in the hotel that you're shooting, you

493
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: know what I mean, So you're you're in a way

494
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: you are having that experience. Yea, was it weird at

495
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: a certain point. I mean it's kind of weird, but

496
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: it is like fancy like actor summer camp, which is

497
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: like always kind of a fucked up thing, you know,

498
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: like we literally did that island. Yeah. And so I

499
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: always say, like people know about ten percent of the

500
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: story from like what what the movie shows and like

501
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: what we saw in the press and everything, because like

502
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 1: existing altogether, as a asked, that's like doing this like

503
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 1: stuff that's a little bit meta, because like we all

504
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: know what it's like to be on vacation with friends

505
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: or like a boyfriend or whatever, and then like you're

506
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: you're doing it and you're there for a long time

507
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: with each other, and there's dynamics in place, so it's

508
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: very Yeah, it's a thing, but overall it was amazing.

509
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: How are you there from February to like the end

510
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: of July? Shut up? Yeah, that's a quick turner of

511
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: this year. We wrapped at the end of July and

512
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: the show came out in October, which is mind boggling. Yeah,

513
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: that's quick. Yeah, that's quick, especially for something that feels

514
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: so intricate, because that's another like compliment I have for

515
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: the series is that it's really hard to make that

516
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: many characters feel completely fleshed out. Yeah, And like when

517
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: I started watching the episodes, which is something that I

518
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: actually really struggle with. I hate of watching myself people do.

519
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: But I am such a fan of the show and

520
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: I love what everybody else is doing so much that

521
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: I'm just like sucking, I'm watching it. But um, I

522
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 1: saw some things in the edit where like I remember

523
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: being in a scene and Mike being like, can you

524
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: say this, and just like adding a thing, and then

525
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: it being in the edit in this way where I

526
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: was like he knew then probably that he wanted to

527
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: put that there in that way like I saw like

528
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: into his brain for like two seconds, like he's editing

529
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: the show while he's shooting it. Azing. It was really unbelievable. Yeah,

530
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 1: can you think of any examples from the first five episodes?

531
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: It was I think it was in the first episode.

532
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 1: Actually it was something that Daphne says in the scene

533
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: where they're all sitting around drinking sprits is together, but

534
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly what the line was. There's the

535
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: scene a few guys in the edible scene. I love

536
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: how it was just like, oh yeah, the Bell Elephants

537
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,959
Speaker 1: monologue is a moment is amazing. But even just like

538
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: the acting like on drugs is like so heavy for

539
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: an actor, I guess, but I think it was so

540
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: perfectly calibrated. It wasn't like overtaking like the performance. It

541
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,479
Speaker 1: wasn't even ever taking like the dialogue in this thing.

542
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: It was just these two people who were talking We're

543
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: stuck in this big villa or platzo, just like waxing

544
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: philosophic about life. And then the whole Bow Elephants not

545
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: along and then obviously the moment of like I'm not

546
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: a victim is just so like, I hope you're very proud.

547
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: I know it's weird to watch yourself, but like, I mean,

548
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: I feel like you're such a standout on the show.

549
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: But everybody, it's like what we're saying, there's not a

550
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: weak link, and it really isn't. There really isn't Sabrina imperially,

551
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: Simona Tabasco, I'm forgetting me as name. I'm sorry. Yes,

552
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: it's just every character that pops up, I'm like, oh,

553
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see what then is going to be,

554
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: even the characters I really don't like. And you know,

555
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: it's funny because like which has nothing to do with

556
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: anyone's performance, it's obviously all there. But like, you know

557
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: which character I really struggle with, I actually do a

558
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: Porsche like to me. She irritates me so much because

559
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: I'm just like, what do you want? But haven't you

560
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: been her? Though? Between you guys, I have, and I

561
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: think that, yeah, I've been in that situation a million

562
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: times and I have a great deal of shame about it,

563
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: or not shame, but just like in turn of like,

564
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: oh man, that is a human thing, like well it's

565
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: that thing of like there's the guy that you should

566
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: go with. And then there's the guy that like for

567
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: some whatever the reason like turns the screws, you know

568
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: what I mean. And this this smoke show, Leo would

569
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: all who plays you really do and like the reveal

570
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: at the end of five, like I'm still processing that

571
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: that's uncle. Yeah, I know, that's the darkness by blood. Yes,

572
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: and that's why he's there, you know what I mean?

573
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: Is it is it actually though or is he just

574
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: saying it's his uncle? Yes? I guess we don't know yet.

575
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,959
Speaker 1: I don't even know the answer is that question, but

576
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: I think it's probably possible, Yeah, that he's not related

577
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: to him. Yeah, and then he's just there, you know,

578
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: to to to do that purpose and be fun and

579
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: like of course the cover is like it's my uncle,

580
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: you do know, I don't know it really is his uncle,

581
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: that is truly, But also like it feels so the show,

582
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: like when she when Jennifer cool it just started to

583
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: walk down the hallway and like by the way I

584
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: felt like Jennifer like Slade this episode to this last episode,

585
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: the opera scene was so beautiful and so funny. It's

586
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: so funny, but it's so like that it's so hurt

587
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: when she's walking down the hallway and like you hear

588
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: these noises. He was like, oh my god, I'm so scared. Yeah,

589
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: but it was. I mean, it continues to be just

590
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: like that show, and um, I'm so excited it's going

591
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: to continue. And obviously, like it is an anthology, so

592
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: we won't see you in that one, but I wonder

593
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: if we'll see Jennifer. I wonder if Jennifer is going

594
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: all around the world who knows, who knows, who does know?

595
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: Who does know? Megan? Okay, so obviously everyone should be

596
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: watching The White Lotus. But let's get into the damn

597
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: thesis of lost culture, which was Megan Fahey, what was

598
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: the culture that made you say culture was for me?

599
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: This is that thing in pop culture that, for some

600
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: reason you look back on and you're like, that changed me. Okay, well,

601
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: here we are, Avril Levina a tie. I swear to

602
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: God like it really, I can genuinely sit here and

603
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: tell you that it changed my life. Yeah, okay, what

604
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: was it sartorially? Yeah, I honestly I don't even know why.

605
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: I just I was so affected by her her presence

606
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: at that time, like truly started going to Abercrombie and

607
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: Fish and buying men's cargo pants to wear to school

608
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: at Knee's skate shoes. She's never been on a skateboard

609
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: in her legs. Yeah, multiple pairs skate shoes. Where did

610
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: you grow up? Western Mass? Western Mass? So then like,

611
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: you know, for Christmas one year, my lovely adorable parents,

612
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: Like I could cry when I think about them, like

613
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: going onto the Avril Levine site and like buying the

614
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: official merch tie for me for Christmas, And then like

615
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: shortly thereafter, her coming out in an interview and being

616
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: like I hate it when other people were ties, Like

617
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: I was wearing ties because nobody else was wearing them

618
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: and I was thirteen or fourteen or whatever, and I

619
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: was like, I won't recover from this. That's the big

620
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: It was really a big heartbreak. Do you ever see

621
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: the interviews from her like now from that time, and

622
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: she was like I don't fucking no, man, I don't

623
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: like hate pop music, man, like fuck it, Like I

624
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: don't even know to be a pop start man. I'm like,

625
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: are you crazy? You're like she really was on that.

626
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: She was young, and I think she was seventeen when

627
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: her first album came out. I think you're right. I

628
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: think you're right. And I remember like hearing radio DJs

629
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: talk about her like yeah, this new hot chicken on

630
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: the scene. I'm like, I'm like twelve, and I'm like,

631
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 1: this girl is too young. I know there's something fishery

632
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: about this one. Why are they talking like that? Do

633
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: you think this is like a tomboy phase or was

634
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: it not even that? It was just like this punk

635
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: slash skater which was at the time and still is

636
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: like just very cool, very exactly. There was like a

637
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: quality and like a convention around it that was very

638
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: interesting to people. I feel like it just gave me

639
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: permission in some way to like access this part of

640
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: myself that I didn't I couldn't before. And like you,

641
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: I sang a lot growing up, and so I used

642
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 1: to do these really embarrassing like it's like one time,

643
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: for like Disney Radio, I like rocked up to like

644
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: this place with like a karaoke machine and like saying

645
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: covers and I say one of I sang one of

646
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: her like darker cuts from the first album. Yeah, what

647
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: was it? Do you remember? Uh? Yeah, it's like losing grip.

648
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: It was. It's been so long, I write this song.

649
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: You don't know me, don't ignore me. See this is

650
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: this thing. It's like my sister had the album and

651
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: I would hear listening to it and this was the

652
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: post the Kelly thing. So I was trying so hard.

653
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: But the hooks were good. I mean, you were onto

654
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: something to be fair. And the guy who was like

655
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: running the little event that I did where I sang

656
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: a cover of that song too a karaoke track, was like,

657
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: maybe next time cut that one. It was like it's

658
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: a little too heavy and I was like, yeah, too

659
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: hardcore for you. Like I loved that that happened. I

660
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: was like, oops, too dark. I was too edgy for

661
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: do you guys want to know something? What we had

662
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: on in the car every hour, every minute we were

663
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: driving was Radio Disney. Yeah. That was huge. It was huge.

664
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: And there would be like little local ads were like

665
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: they're doing an event at the mall and like I

666
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: would beg I wouldn't. I wouldn't even get to the

667
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: point of asking my parents to go. But in my

668
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: mind I was like, if I could show up, yeah,

669
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: I would blow everyone. I'm sure I wouldn't have, but

670
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: it was the dream was just like to show up

671
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: one of those things and meet other kids. You wanted

672
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: to get on the radio. I wanted to get on

673
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 1: the just to like be on stage or something, you know.

674
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: Like I feel like this is like you like honing

675
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: this skill for years and years, and but that's also

676
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: like it speaks to this thing that I think we

677
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: all probably felt as children, Like did you feel like

678
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: there was just something inside of you where you just

679
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 1: like you just sort of knew that at some point

680
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: you would probably do some weird stuff in this arena,

681
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 1: like not even as it applied to being like super

682
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: successful at it, but like I don't, I just like

683
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 1: I didn't end up going to college because you were working.

684
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: I did next to normal. And I just remember like

685
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: when I I knew that I wasn't going to school,

686
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: like I had applied to colleges and stuff. I like,

687
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: wasn't that surprised that it wasn't happening. Like I grew

688
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 1: up and I was like, I'm going to go to college.

689
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: That was always the plan, Like I was never planning

690
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 1: to not go, But when it didn't happen, I was like, oh, yeah,

691
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: that seems right somehow, Like did you guys have that

692
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: when you were a kids like in any way I

693
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: definitely felt like connected to. Like I remember when American

694
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: Idol first started happening and there was a concept of

695
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: you could go audition and be on anywhere. Changed the

696
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: paradigm for I think that's why I latched onto Kelly

697
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 1: so much, is because I genuinely felt like she came

698
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 1: from nowhere and got to become a star just from

699
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: being talented and being herself and etcetera. And that definitely

700
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: was like a north star for me, to the point

701
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: where during the second season of American Idol there was

702
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: a contestant name Matt Rogers, and I thought, well, now

703
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: you can never get my dream yea season two and

704
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: I was like, I remember being like, they're never going

705
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: to have another Matt Rodgers on American Isoland. And I

706
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: remember thinking, as like a thirteen year old, like that

707
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 1: will be the way that I become who I'm supposed

708
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,919
Speaker 1: to become. It is through American Idol, Like delusional suburban kid,

709
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? But like it's it's not

710
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: delusional at all. You're seeing it like you Well, I

711
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: I just saw it as like a feasible path forward

712
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: because that was what was fed to us by the

713
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: American Idol messaging machine. It was like it can happen

714
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: to you. And also at that time, I was realizing

715
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: I was gay and stuff and like really wanting an

716
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: escape and really thinking like it's got to be bigger

717
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 1: and more than this, So like, I do identify with

718
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: what you're saying, and clearly Bowen was like, once I

719
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: stormed the stages of Disney Channel, it's going to be

720
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 1: over for these homes, not even Disney Channel and radio

721
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: radio Disney. Oh my god, that's the That was the Yeah.

722
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I love this answer so much

723
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: because it's not just Avril Levine. You're saying, it's Avril

724
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: Levine with the tie. Yeah. Yeah, that's the perfect kind

725
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: of answer where it's so specific. It was bigger than

726
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: just everl Levine, And thank god because we know she

727
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: was a cruel woman, a cruel girl. The second album Slaps, well,

728
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: that was when I had to start retracting it because like,

729
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: did you that I was gonna give it up to you?

730
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god, tell me what that song gets forgotten? Okay,

731
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: and the messaging is still hits, like totally, you know,

732
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: she's still out here, like telling you to do whatever

733
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 1: the funk you want. What's crazy, though, is I actually

734
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: saw her. So that was the first concert I ever

735
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: went to. Great my best friend and her older sister

736
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 1: took me, and then I saw Levine in Vegas for

737
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: the While we Were Young Fest, which you tried to go,

738
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god, how was it? So like you're familiar

739
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: with the conspiracy theory that she's and then what is

740
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: the theory? I'm starting to think about it. I just like,

741
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: I just have never seen someone like truly sounded amazing, Yeah,

742
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: but nothing going on underneath, like a real like Wrotenus

743
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: or or just like I hesitate to say robotic or

744
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 1: something because that's I feel like this. Well, you don't

745
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: want to say like this person, whoever this person is,

746
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: is in human? No, but I think that it probably

747
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: is fair to say that she's been doing it a

748
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: long fucking time. And there definitely was a point in

749
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: her career where she was like, you know what, give

750
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: him girlfriend, give him, give him the kawaii, you know

751
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like she definitely like checked out or

752
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: like stopped trying to do it. Was it was Hello

753
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: Kitty was when it was Hello Kitty was a wild

754
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: moment in time. That was a wild moment in times.

755
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: Do you know about this, Katy? This is her fourth album,

756
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: fifth Who Cares? After first was let Go, second was

757
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: oh god, I'm blinking on the name. Third was best

758
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: damn Thing, which is girlfriend, which I think is a

759
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 1: great No, best that thing is good. But then after

760
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: that she started to do the Hello Kitty song, so

761
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: she did a whole like this is post because we

762
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,439
Speaker 1: we could play it. I think it's important that you

763
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: hear it, Okay, but oh god, goodbye lullabye She's got

764
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: And then there was also keep Holding On from the

765
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: Aragon soundtrack, which actually is about keep it. That was

766
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: like during her phase where she was married to the

767
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,280
Speaker 1: guy from Nickelback right, yes, yes, yes, and that was again.

768
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: And she also dated Brodie Jenner for a long time. Yes,

769
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: remember that. And Brodie Jedder was like, legit, one of

770
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: the hottest guys ever, like obviously like well he's Brodie

771
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: Jenner whatever, but like she dated him for a long time.

772
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: She dated this some forty one guy, Yes she did,

773
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: Derek Whibbley. I think they were even married. They were

774
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: they were married first, then it was nickel Back yea,

775
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: she like had like a oh no, like making an

776
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 1: aggressive play for like the girls, but this is Africa

777
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 1: and Stefani did Harris Juku Girls. It came out at

778
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: just the wrong time, which was when it was like

779
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: as a culture everyone was like talking about appropriation and

780
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: so I feel like I kind of understand what she

781
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: was trying to do and it completely failed and it

782
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: was not executed well at all. But it is shocking,

783
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: and I feel like that was when like I don't know,

784
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: like the soul sort of left the body yathing. Is

785
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 1: this what you're saying. I mean, what you just said

786
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: feels like the way toward it. Yeah, but you can

787
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: see it live like in person. That's that's even more chilling.

788
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: You know. I do think that she seems like a

789
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: full grown adult now and like you know what I mean,

790
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: she just came out with back and everything. Yeah, And

791
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: I mean, look, she's talented. She's really talented. Is she

792
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: the same girl as the seventeen year old who came out?

793
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: Is she dead and replaced? Not for us to say,

794
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: only God can say. But it's the same thing as

795
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: Paul McCartney, as all the Beatles, specifically Paul McCartney that

796
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: Paul McCartney died and this guy is just like, so

797
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: you mentioned next to normal and I want to ask,

798
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: did you cross over with Alice Ripley or was it

799
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: Marin Maze? So I was an understudy when Alice was

800
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: doing the show, but I did do the show with

801
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: her as an understudy. I saw Alice do it, but

802
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 1: I believe that was it. Jennifer Jennifer, Jennifer. I did

803
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: see Jennifer on mean, Oh, so you must have been

804
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: on the stage. She was great. You must have been

805
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 1: in the wings or something like. You guys were roommates, yeah,

806
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: which is like kind of psychotic, like it didn't feel

807
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: weird for us at the time, but like I remember,

808
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: any time it came up and we mentioned that we

809
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: were living together and I was her under study, everyone

810
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: was like, are you guys okay? Yeah, but we were

811
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: having a last Yeah that sounds cool. Yeah, no problem.

812
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: It was so fun. That sounds great. That was an

813
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: amazing show. It was pretty special. I remember, I don't

814
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: think I've ever sobbed like I saw when I saw

815
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: that show. I mean that the entire last Like have

816
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: you seen that? I only know the recording. I don't

817
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: know I've never seen the entire last like fifteen minutes, like, um,

818
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, number three, perfect for you? That through,

819
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: Like you don't even know, Like that was such a

820
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: special show. I saw it with my friend Mackenzie Derris.

821
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: We won the lottery. Actually we were at m U

822
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: and we won the lottery and it was the first

823
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: time we had ever even tried the lottery. And we

824
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 1: we got these like the like seats in the balcony,

825
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: like like I called them the Lincoln seats, like disrespectfully,

826
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like those like the ones

827
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 1: Jennifer was sitting in watching the opera. That's where we were,

828
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: And I had just like such a profound emotional reaction

829
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: to that show. And I think Aaron Tabde had just left, um,

830
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: so I didn't see him, but it was that was

831
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: like such a moment. Was that your Broadway debut? Yeah? Yeah,

832
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: that was like the first thing I ever really did

833
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: on stage. That's oh my god, it's amazing. Yeah, I mean,

834
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: that'll be one of the coolest things I've ever done

835
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: in my whole life for forever. I mean, it was

836
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: just so special. Yeah, And did you stay with it through?

837
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: When Marin was there? Yeah, she's my angel. Her and

838
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: Jason were really incredible. I'm so grateful for them in

839
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 1: that moment in my life. And I actually might cry

840
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: because I was so young and she was so warm

841
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: and like smart and had great boundaries and like knew

842
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 1: how to take care of herself and was a team player.

843
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: And I feel like, when you're eighteen and you haven't

844
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 1: learned how to be in an environment like that, it's

845
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: really easy to learn bad habits from other people. And

846
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: so when she and Jason came in, they like fully

847
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: just scooped me up and like held me through that

848
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: whole experience in this way where I felt like it

849
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: changed how I continued to move through my career after

850
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: that because they were so amazing to me, and Jason's

851
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: I'm still very close with him, and um, I'm just

852
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 1: yeah that she was an amazing talent. She really was.

853
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: She was really one of the greats. And I almost

854
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 1: feel like while she was with us, she never really

855
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: got like that moment to be considered like, you know,

856
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: on the level of like Patty and like like, but

857
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: but like she really was, Like I remember there was

858
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: that amazing tribute to Sondheim that they all did and

859
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: she sang losing my mind. It was just so incredible.

860
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: She was one of the greats to have someone like

861
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 1: that display care. I think it all comes down to care,

862
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: and that's the thing that is unfortunately not super baked

863
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: into Like it's just like human nature, right, It's like

864
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: everyone's in their own little world. Like it's hard to

865
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: in that kind of environment reach out in this way,

866
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: and any form it shows up in like care is

867
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: just like a very powerful thing, especially with what you're

868
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: saying when you're it's your first job, and your first

869
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: job will always be your first job, or maybe it

870
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: wasn't was it technically your first mean, yeah, it was

871
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: your your first job will always be your first job,

872
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: and then it defines so much. Of course, it's still

873
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 1: like informs that the way you move through your career. Yeah.

874
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: And also that show really required everyone involved to be

875
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 1: an exposed nerve every night, Like that was emotional. That

876
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: must have been tough. It was really hard. But I

877
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: also didn't even know how hard it was because I

878
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: didn't know anything. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like,

879
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 1: when I think about it now, I'm like, I don't

880
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 1: think I could do it again. Do you want to

881
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: go back to Broadway and do the stage. I would

882
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: love I would love to. Yeah, you look should but

883
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: also like in theory, like everyone wants to do that,

884
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: and then like Broadway is so different now, you know

885
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like hard. There's like almost nothing

886
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: not to say, there's almost nothing out there, but like

887
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard. It's figuring itself out. Yeah, especially

888
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: in the new phase of likest pandemic and everything. Yeah,

889
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: but we're going to k Pop the musical premiere in

890
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: a few days. It's going to be fun. Yeah, our

891
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: friend Jason Kim like wrote it and so that'll be fun.

892
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: But there's their stuff out there. Have you seen the

893
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 1: new Into the Woods? I have not. Oh you have

894
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 1: to go. You should be Cinderella. Oh god, you should.

895
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: So I actually auditioned for the film yeah, and it

896
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: was like a really embarrassing experience because I was not

897
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: off book with the song. So I was like, Cinderella

898
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 1: wasn't on the steps of the palace. Yes, Yeah, And

899
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: the casting director was like she like let me stumble through.

900
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 1: And then she was like, so we're gonna We're gonna

901
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: bring you back. Because I just sort of feel like

902
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: you have to know the song better Um in order

903
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 1: to audition for this, and I was like, okay, thank you.

904
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: I left. I was like, I will not be returning,

905
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 1: like I was never going to get that. I think

906
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: I can't even remember if I might have gone back,

907
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: but I just was like, it's not going to be me.

908
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: I I developed like a pretty intense performance anxiety in

909
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: that moment in time. I actually stopped auditioning for musicals

910
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: altogether because I was struggling so much because you had

911
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: like a mental block. Well, I you know, I did

912
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: next to normal, which was very specific. It was like

913
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: this pop rock musical. I never really had any formal training.

914
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: I didn't you know what I mean, So like because

915
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: the show was exactly and because the show was so

916
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: popular and stuff, my agent at the time was like

917
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: sending me in for every musical under the sun. And

918
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,760
Speaker 1: I was getting really intimidated because you know, you're sitting

919
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: outside and you're hearing all these people sing, and they're

920
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: amazing and they have all these I felt like they

921
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: had all these tools that I didn't have, and I

922
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: really spooked myself out. Like I would go into the

923
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: room and I would forget the words or I would

924
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 1: like crack or like my mouth was drying. I couldn't

925
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: do and and I pushed myself for a while. I

926
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: was like, just do it, just do it, just do it.

927
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 1: And then I was like, actually, I think I'm gonna

928
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: take a break because I don't think I'm learning anything

929
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: from this, Like I think the line between like pushing

930
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: yourself out of your comfort zone and like knowing when

931
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 1: to protect yourself is a tricky line. And I finally

932
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: got to a place where I was like, I'm not

933
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: this isn't serving me, this is actually only making me

934
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: feel bad. So I'm gonna take a break. And then realize,

935
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 1: like I also don't have to be in like every

936
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: musical is not right for me, and that's okay, So

937
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: maybe I stop just going in for every musical because

938
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: I can't I have the opportunity to, you know what

939
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 1: I mean, It's sally important to so important to realize

940
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: that to understand that there was a second there where

941
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: when I was like leaving college and again like you

942
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: had no real formal training, Like I did take a

943
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,479
Speaker 1: couple of voice lessons in college, and I was doing

944
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: musical theater, but really it was extended through comedy and

945
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 1: the way. I always say, like a comedian can learn

946
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: to sing, and there are so many comedians that actually

947
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 1: have great voices because they're committed. It's like you, you

948
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: you knocked down that boundary because you like forced yourself

949
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: into commitment and bravery and just think, well, I'm not

950
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: the singer, so I might as well just fake it,

951
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: and then you realize like you have access once you

952
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: just take those checkpoints away. But then like you go

953
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: into an audition scenario like walking into fucking Telsey because

954
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: you go in and you listen to these men just

955
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: make sounds that are different from anything you commit. How

956
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: effortless it sounds for them to like, yeah, pop up

957
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: into a belt. It's just like you know what I'm saying.

958
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: It's like that musical theater sound that's just like, oh,

959
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: you've never smoked a cigarette and looked at it's amazing,

960
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 1: Like Ben Platt, like the sound he's able to make,

961
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: and how quickly it's it's like I describe it as

962
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 1: like a weapon. It's like so resonant and so effortless

963
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,720
Speaker 1: that I'm like, I don't even know that my body

964
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: could ever do that. And then I think maybe some

965
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: people are just worn with a certain like way of

966
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: being physically that their body can just make that sound.

967
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: But you walk into healthy and you hear that and

968
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, what the funk? Am I get me

969
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: out of here? Do you know what, Matt? You have?

970
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: You have? Honestly, I'm just realizing in this moment, you're

971
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: my new Avril Levine? What are you? Yeah? Because you

972
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: when we sang together, like did the thing where you

973
00:52:55,640 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: gave me permission to like be comfortable and get out

974
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: side of myself and like be in the moment with you,

975
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:08,240
Speaker 1: like because your voice is truly insane and you're also

976
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: the funniest person alive. So your your ability to do

977
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: both of those things, and I could feel you doing

978
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: it to the audience as well, Like it's such a

979
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 1: magical I mean, both of you honestly can do this thing.

980
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: But I experienced it with you in that moment, and like,

981
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,919
Speaker 1: I'm just it's just landing on me now that like

982
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 1: you fully did that kind of exactly what we're talking about.

983
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: I experienced it every time we're on a stage together.

984
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: It's it's comfort, It's Here's what I'll say is like

985
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: this is what I would say to anyone, And you

986
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: guys are being so nice, and that's so kind. But

987
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: what literally hacked the whole system for me was just

988
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: that all an audience wants to do is have fun,

989
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: and they just want to have fun. And if and

990
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: if you were having fun, like I feel like everyone

991
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: has fun. And I actually got that from Amy Poehler's book.

992
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: It was called Yes Please, And I've always Amy has

993
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,040
Speaker 1: always been like my person that I'm most inspired I

994
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: would buy. Like I remember when I was like eighteen

995
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: an n y U and closeted and knew I had

996
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,439
Speaker 1: to change my life. I was gonna google the person

997
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: I looked up to most in the world, and that

998
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: was Immi Poler And so I wikipedia at her and

999
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,240
Speaker 1: found out everything she had ever done and like pretty

1000
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: much copied her, like I signed up for UCB audition

1001
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: for the improv classes or whatever. But when I read

1002
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: her book, she said something like the biggest hack, or

1003
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: like the the advice I got that I would always

1004
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 1: give everyone else is if you're having fun, they are

1005
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: having fun. And so it's just this thing of like

1006
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: I find so much joy in singing, I find so

1007
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: much joy in performing, and also so much responsibility when

1008
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: people buy tickets to see a show that's like with

1009
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: your name on. So it's like that thing of you

1010
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: better you know what I mean? Every time I go

1011
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 1: out there too, I'm I'm freaking nervous, Like there's I've

1012
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: never been more than go lead up to my special no,

1013
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: I was like you, I was like a hermit for

1014
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: three weeks. But that's your process, though, is that You're like,

1015
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna not drink. I'm not gonna like have these

1016
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: like party hard. It was like an antisocial thing, no drinking,

1017
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: no smoking. Like it was like, which is like hard

1018
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: for me someone that likes to, you know, go out

1019
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: and stuff. But but it is important, like you do

1020
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: have to take care of yourself so that you can

1021
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: be in the mental space to go out there and

1022
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: then give can I scope out a little bit because

1023
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: I think the three of us all have this thing

1024
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: of I wasn't formally trained, right, and which is which

1025
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: is a thing that stays with you forever. Yeah, do

1026
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: you feel like you're over that a little bit or now,

1027
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: I mean maybe a little bit, but but now that

1028
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: you're saying that, like I do feel like it's they're

1029
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 1: a bit like when I found out that I was

1030
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: going to do the white lotus. I was so excited

1031
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: for two seconds, but I was immediately terrified, yes, because

1032
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: you know everyone is going to see this, and I

1033
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: didn't feel like I could hang with the cat like that.

1034
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: There were so many amazing actors that I felt like

1035
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: had earned their spot, and there was this part of

1036
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: me in my head that was like, you haven't done

1037
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: that yet. Yeah, But that's all comes down to is

1038
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: that it is imposter syndrome. Clearly, it does not camper

1039
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 1: anything for either of you. That it's not a thing

1040
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: that people think about. It's not formally trained. Why is

1041
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: he trying to hit that note? You know? Like or like, clearly, Megan,

1042
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: you're in control of like your instrument, because like in

1043
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: every scene, I'm just like, how did she do that?

1044
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I'm saying this as a way to

1045
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 1: like pet myself up a bit because I'm like, that's

1046
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 1: really been like in the brain on the brain for

1047
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: a little bit for me. I'm like, oh am I

1048
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,879
Speaker 1: even now still Oh yeah, I mean he's the most

1049
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 1: famous television show in the world. But yeah, like talk

1050
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: about pressure, like I can't even imagine truly. Yeah, But

1051
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 1: it's that thing where I've I've lost the threat of

1052
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 1: like the fun a little bit, and it's kind of like,

1053
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: and that's purely internal. There are definitely external factors, but like,

1054
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 1: I just gotta I just gotta get back on the fun.

1055
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: It's interesting that you bring that up because I was

1056
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 1: watching actually, like the interviews with the whole cast. They

1057
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 1: have these really fun like features. Yeah, I watched all

1058
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, and I love the entire cast, So

1059
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: I watched all of them. But did you see it

1060
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 1: was like the three Italian and actresses and Sabrina and

1061
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 1: Patratore who plays Valentina. Sorry, I have I have it

1062
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: to there's something going around, and it's not COVID. I've

1063
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: taken a million COVID test a day and I barely

1064
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: have um. But I was watching an interview with her

1065
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: and she was saying, how you know, when you're an

1066
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: Italian actor and then you get this big American show

1067
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: that's like crazy, so like you felt a certain way

1068
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: about it, and then someone who's like, now I'm going

1069
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: to be on the world stage for real, and this

1070
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: is really going to change my career, especially in the

1071
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: role of the manager, which was done so to Emmy winning.

1072
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: You know, expert Success by Murray Bartlett, and she said

1073
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: that she described a situation where she got to set

1074
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: and she started to have a panic attack, and that

1075
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: Michael Imperioli came over to her and was like, hey,

1076
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: you're you're amazing. You're supposed to be here for anybody

1077
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:05,439
Speaker 1: who wasn't sure showbiz legend. Truly the kindest, loveliest man.

1078
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: You get that obsessed with him and his wife, they're

1079
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: they're amazing and that character too. So I felt so

1080
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: heartbroken for him when he was walking on the beach

1081
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: on that last episode and he was then as a disease,

1082
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it was sad, like

1083
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: you know, like I understand by the way that first episode,

1084
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: like one of the most iconic scenes was when he

1085
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: gets on the phone with Laura Dern, who's playing the

1086
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: voice of the wife, and she's absolutely screaming at him.

1087
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: You're like, what done? And then you realize, like when

1088
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: you get to the end of five, like he's really sick,

1089
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: Like he's got a disease, and like you know, you

1090
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: see him struggle with it and really want to be better,

1091
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: but he is he is a sex He's a sex

1092
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: addict to the extent where like he is fully self

1093
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: destructive and you do see him like angry at his father,

1094
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: who's f Murray Abram stunning. I mean that scene with

1095
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: them at dinner when I watched them film that, did you. Yeah.

1096
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: I was sitting at the monitor like whenever I could sneak. Yeah,

1097
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: I'm watching cool it Are you kidding me? Um backstage pass? Yeah.

1098
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: I watched them do that scene and I just cried.

1099
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: I was like, how and they make it just seems easy. Yeah,

1100
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: what he said I loved your Mother's like he's like,

1101
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: I loved your mother. It's not that simple, and Marie

1102
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: Ambram goes, yes, it is, and he just lays back.

1103
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: I said, that is a film right there. I was like,

1104
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: he just just the way the camera sat on him

1105
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,919
Speaker 1: as he sat back in his chair too. I was like, damn,

1106
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: this is the ship right there. That was really good

1107
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 1: writing of this episode of five, just excellent. I've still

1108
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: I'm sorry keep bringing it up, Megan, is it Let's see, like,

1109
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: oh my god. I was like at the spooky moment,

1110
00:59:53,760 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: I was glad that Mike also wanted it to be spooky. Yeah,

1111
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: you are a little scarier. That's a little scary. I

1112
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: also thought there was a little bit of when you

1113
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: said to Aubrey, like, well, you have to do things

1114
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: that make you feel better. I thought you were kind

1115
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: of coming on to her a little bit. I thought

1116
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: there was a little bit look at oh my god, Like,

1117
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: first of all, I love Aubrey Plaza, and you know

1118
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: what it all changed for me? Ingrad goes We Go West.

1119
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: Of course I love that movie. She's so great. She's

1120
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: really pulling back the live see apparently the premiere it

1121
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: came up recently and like my into stories, but at

1122
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: the premiere, like Elizabeth Olsen wears the dress and then

1123
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: Aubrey Plasa in the same dress, which is such a funny,

1124
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: totally planned. Yeah, it's such a great comedy. We we

1125
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: almost did something sort of like that in the scene

1126
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: where we go to NOO and I'm wearing those like

1127
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: insane space buns. Yeah. She and I were getting ready

1128
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: to go do that pool scene and she was like,

1129
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 1: should I put my hair blackers? And I was like,

1130
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: So she did it and we went down and of

1131
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: course Mike was like, I don't care. Yeah, yeah, and

1132
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: then her hair her hair person was like, I don't

1133
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: think you should do it looks bad. She was like, Okay,

1134
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: it would have been so cute if you guys had

1135
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: the same hair. We just thought it was so funny,

1136
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 1: like maybe either Daphne did her hair or or she

1137
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 1: was just like really trying to hop on board and

1138
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: was like, too, it would have so much that the pool.

1139
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 1: I recently shot something where I had to be in

1140
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 1: the water. That is a lot during the water for

1141
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 1: a long time. Let me tell you about shooting in

1142
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: the ocean. Let's chat about this. So you opened the

1143
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: series and it's like, so you're with the two Survivor contestants, which,

1144
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 1: by the way, I'm a major Survivor fan. Same, So

1145
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 1: did you know Angelina and Kara going in? Like who

1146
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: they were? I watched that season when I got to

1147
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: sicily with Adam Marco, Yeah, and we were both completely obsessed.

1148
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: We would a set and asked Mike, so do you

1149
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: really not have a cheese? Like we wanted to know everything.

1150
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: And then towards the end, because we shot that scene,

1151
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: like yes, Mike was like, guess who's who scenes with you?

1152
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: I literally fangirled. They were having dinner one night and

1153
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: I was like, can I come meet them? They were

1154
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 1: amazing and so lovely and they were great. They were

1155
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 1: One really funny thing that happened though, was like Angelina

1156
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: when the body gets pulled from the water. I guess

1157
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: during one of the days, she was like crying a lot,

1158
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: like an acting and Mike went up to and he

1159
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 1: was like, Angela, not stopped crying. He was like, you

1160
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: don't know this person, it's not sad sharing and she

1161
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: was like, okay, fine, sorry, like I just was drying something.

1162
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: It was very like they have such a cute banter.

1163
01:02:55,360 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: Seeing him with them was really special because I feel

1164
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: like they just went through this like really specific, crazy

1165
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,919
Speaker 1: experience and like he they're so close, you know, like

1166
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 1: and they still take such good care of each other.

1167
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 1: Like he's such a loyal person in my experience, Like

1168
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 1: I think he likes to keep his people close to him,

1169
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: which is like so nice. But yeah, shooting in the

1170
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: water was like really it's really hard times one a

1171
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: million times, and the water is pretty warm when you

1172
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 1: first get into it, but after a while it just

1173
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. It's so cold and like running so the

1174
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 1: water is really shallow, so we had to go pretty

1175
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 1: far out in order for it to be deep enough

1176
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: for me to like have enough water, So I had

1177
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: to run like kind of far in to get to

1178
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 1: the beach and it was so hard. I was getting

1179
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 1: to the beach and my knees were like buckling and

1180
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: I was falling, and Mike was like, I really loved

1181
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: how you fell, and I was like, great, because I

1182
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 1: can't not fall. I was like, that wasn't a choice.

1183
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: Like my body is literally like I'm getting out of

1184
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 1: the water and the resistance is going away and I'm

1185
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: like collapsing. But yeah, the body next day was a blob,

1186
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: Like were you so damn sore? Yeah, yeah, I can't imagine.

1187
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 1: I don't want I don't ever want to do that.

1188
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 1: And then for you to have to like emote like

1189
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: discovery shock discussed, you know, like it was all there too.

1190
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 1: It was really good. It was really good. You know,

1191
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 1: there was going to be a scene we can reveal

1192
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: at the end of Fire Island. There was going to

1193
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 1: be the original climax was going to be so bowing

1194
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 1: gets on the ferry and like rides away and he's

1195
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 1: going home, and there was going to be a scene

1196
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 1: where he'd jumped the ferry and had to swim to

1197
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 1: like James fully in the water and they were going

1198
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 1: to have like a romantic moment and they had to

1199
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 1: cut it because why, like the pH of the water

1200
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 1: was like it was too shallow for me to jump

1201
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: twenty feet up from from the water and it just

1202
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: was putrid, rancid water. Yeah, and so it was for

1203
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 1: a good reason. But I was a little bit like

1204
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: but then also like the logistics of having to do that,

1205
01:04:57,120 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: you would have been I would have hated because like

1206
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: it's not just one well we jump in the water

1207
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 1: and swim or we got it on film. It's like

1208
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 1: that would have been maybe even two days. Yeah, totally, totally, Yeah,

1209
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: that's intense, very very glad. Oh my god, Well listen,

1210
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 1: will you put the good word in for Mike White

1211
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: to come on this podcast, because like, of course we would,

1212
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: we would give him a very good interview, like it

1213
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 1: would be it would feel like we could always just ask,

1214
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: but like I feel like we need people to put

1215
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 1: it in his ear. That's always the best way to

1216
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 1: go that. I feel like he would be a great

1217
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 1: guest and be love to talk to both of you.

1218
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 1: We just truly what a treat both of you and well,

1219
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 1: this has been seriously We're obsessed and it's not over yet.

1220
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: We are now transitioning to our final segment, which is

1221
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. This is that one minute

1222
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 1: segment that we do when we take a minute to

1223
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: rail again something in pop culture that really is needs

1224
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 1: to be I have something, I have something to you

1225
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: go first. As a tradition, this is the first Matt

1226
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 1: Rodgers is I don't think so, honey. As time starts now,

1227
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. The white Lotus is Porsche.

1228
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 1: We love you, we stand, we support the girl, and

1229
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 1: we support the girls, and we think that you are

1230
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 1: a young rising talent. But your character is sucking bugging

1231
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 1: me boot, Like what do you want because Adam DeMarco,

1232
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 1: guess what, Like we saw what he did to Luccia

1233
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 1: in that last scene, like he could put it all

1234
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 1: the way down. So I'm sorry, but you know what, like,

1235
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: don't be dirp, but dirp if you don't want to

1236
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: get fucked, because you were being dirp and dirt and

1237
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: that's why he was giving you nice point energy. Come forward,

1238
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: come for like you came to Leo Woodall you need

1239
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 1: to be giving. We need to turn the body out,

1240
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 1: give sexual energy, forward Porsche, and then you would have

1241
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: gotten fucked by Abbie. And everyone wants to get fun

1242
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: by the King. I want to get by the King second.

1243
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,439
Speaker 1: I'll be with his curly hair and his beautiful skin.

1244
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely obsessed. And you know he's got that five

1245
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 1: energy because his father and his grandfather were fun boys.

1246
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 1: O G. I don't think isn't even that bad of

1247
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 1: a boss that there? I would never want it. I

1248
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to be her. Excuse me though, Like I

1249
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 1: was watching her in last episode and like Jennifer Coolidge

1250
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 1: goes over to her and like Tanya says to PORTIONA,

1251
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 1: like you're having sex on the boat, aren't you like work?

1252
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 1: And then walks away, and I'm like, what's bad about

1253
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 1: this boss? She took you to Italy? She said, you

1254
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 1: don't even have to work, just go do whatever your

1255
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 1: thing is. Just stay at the resort. And you're crying

1256
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 1: and upset and mad. Get over yourself, girl? If I

1257
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: should up as their assistant. And then the first thing

1258
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 1: she says to me in the lobby is you gotta

1259
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: get lost. I'm like, I'd be like, what am I

1260
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 1: supposed to do? No? I'd be like perfect, and you

1261
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 1: know she makes six figures. No, I'm sorry, but as

1262
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 1: the assistant to Tanya to to like a wealth. Yeah,

1263
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 1: it's like an old money person. She's got half a

1264
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 1: billion dollars. I think I think she's got like that's

1265
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 1: that's like part of the thing, right, yes, yes, and

1266
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 1: so yeah, six figures. Maybe I would venture to guess

1267
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:13,959
Speaker 1: like nine grand, okay, income, But the fact is, like

1268
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 1: you're in Italy on vacation and then she tells you

1269
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: get lost. She's telling you to stay in your room,

1270
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 1: which is the only thing you're not supposed to do

1271
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 1: in this Yeah, but guess what then she didn't stay

1272
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,600
Speaker 1: in her room and she's not fired. You know what

1273
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,599
Speaker 1: I mean. I'm just like hesitated, who's out and about?

1274
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 1: Yeah that's true. I mean, listen, I'm just saying, like,

1275
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 1: I just I don't like the way she's doing Albi. Yeah,

1276
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 1: of course, Albie is a sweet, sweet boy. You know what,

1277
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:47,759
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people think he's the killer.

1278
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 1: That's what people are saying. Yeah, I will say first season,

1279
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't really thinking about who the killer would be.

1280
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 1: Second this season, I'm going, oh, the tension is being

1281
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 1: so perfectly dialed up for everybody that I'm like A

1282
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 1: could be any of them, and that's the fun of

1283
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:05,480
Speaker 1: the mystery. I'll tell you what I hated. I hated

1284
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 1: when um, when Cameron touched Harper's leg. I hated that

1285
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 1: and bothered me the most was that I think Harper

1286
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 1: worked it a little bit. And then I was putting

1287
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: myself in harper shoes and I was like, that is

1288
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:22,640
Speaker 1: that fucking douche bag? That is like, like, why are

1289
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 1: you making me think he's very good at playing that

1290
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:31,679
Speaker 1: guy's so he's British. I didn't realize Australian. He's British.

1291
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 1: Well let me the accent work is work and they're

1292
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:45,639
Speaker 1: both a gorgeous man, truly, the whole castutes period all around. Well,

1293
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 1: that's how I feel about Ms Porsche. I have a

1294
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 1: non weight Lotus. That's actually fine. Okay, we've talked so

1295
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 1: much about it, so this is I don't think so,

1296
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 1: honeyest time starts now, I don't think so, honey. Paper

1297
01:09:56,000 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 1: towels and bathrooms that are stacked on the tray you

1298
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 1: have to pull down because otherwise the only choice you

1299
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 1: have to make with wet hands is grabbed too many.

1300
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 1: No one has the wherewithal to only pluck one or two,

1301
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 1: which is all you really need. But everyone gets a

1302
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,600
Speaker 1: little greedy in the bathroom. No one, no one is

1303
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 1: above it. No one is above it. That is the

1304
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 1: human condition. It's got to be in the dispenser. So

1305
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 1: you can only pull down. You have to only be

1306
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 1: able to pull down on the paper towel. You cannot

1307
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 1: grab up. Do you know what I'm saying can make sense?

1308
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 1: We have to fix this. This is this is single

1309
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 1: handedly going to kill the planet. It's not billionaires, it's

1310
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 1: not corporations, it's us. It's individuals in the bathroom grab

1311
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 1: and stacks and stacks of pt s and we got

1312
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 1: and where there's no overcoming it in the human nature

1313
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 1: of it. You know what else is annoying When you

1314
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 1: with wet hands go into the thing or grab from

1315
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 1: the side and then you leave, you like you realize

1316
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 1: you made the whole stack wet with your own and

1317
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 1: then people. Yeah, and another thing, if a bunch of

1318
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 1: paper towels are all wet, then you probably are going

1319
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 1: to take all those wet paper towels and throw them

1320
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 1: out and waste them and then make a mess when

1321
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 1: you're drying your hands and it's just this cyclical thing.

1322
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 1: Get them off the tray, away from the sink, put

1323
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 1: them in the dispenser. Yeah, but then I'm going to

1324
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 1: say something else. So you want to just bypass the

1325
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 1: paper towels altogether and go to the dry But now

1326
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 1: the dryers nowadays are not cut and dry. It's not

1327
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:37,640
Speaker 1: just a hole that you put your hands under and

1328
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: they go. It's like those weird like verticals, like disagonal ones,

1329
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 1: the dicing ones, where am I supposed to put my

1330
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 1: hands to activate this? I'm like this I'm doing and

1331
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 1: looking in front of it, trying to get my hands dry.

1332
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 1: If this is me with my like trying to get

1333
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 1: the electric soap things like? Am I crazy? And then

1334
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 1: you start moving from sink to sink, just like moving

1335
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:02,599
Speaker 1: your hands under the thing hoping that it will come out.

1336
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 1: I mean, what are we? What are we? What are

1337
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 1: we doing? Also, automatic toilet flushers, No thanks, I got it,

1338
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 1: No thanks, I would take care of you. You're missing

1339
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 1: your cue? Yeah, hello, get the stage manager in here.

1340
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 1: And then of course they all have the little button,

1341
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 1: which I'll tell you I did not realize. I thought

1342
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: when it was an automatic flusher, there was not an

1343
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:25,719
Speaker 1: option to flush yourself. I also just learned this. Yeah,

1344
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,720
Speaker 1: I had many anxious moments in public restrooms where I'm like,

1345
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to walk out of here. It's and someone

1346
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 1: is waiting and I can't anymore. I just have to

1347
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 1: go by and then you run out. But you have

1348
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 1: to wash your hands an obstacle, Oh my god. Whatever.

1349
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 1: There was a whole plot pointing Gray's Anatomy season two.

1350
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 1: By the way, she just announced she's done. I know,

1351
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 1: did you hear that? Time to walk away at night seasons?

1352
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:54,719
Speaker 1: I love that woman. Listen. One of the best episodes

1353
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:57,719
Speaker 1: of television was what was Callie? Didn't wash your hands?

1354
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 1: She's a surgeon? Was big drama? That was Pete Grays

1355
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 1: when it was drama dy when it was kind of

1356
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 1: a comedy, kind of a drama. Were you ever on Grays?

1357
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:08,759
Speaker 1: I was never. Why don't I think you guest starred

1358
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 1: on Grays? I love that you give Grays energy. Yeah,

1359
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:20,720
Speaker 1: well I think I saved all of my guest star

1360
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 1: wish energy for spu. Yes, and we multiple times. Just

1361
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 1: one this one? Was it a good one? It was

1362
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 1: a very good one. What was it? I had a

1363
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 1: chess piece that said one wild ride. Okay, yeah, oh

1364
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 1: my god, and a kid? Yes, who are you seeing? Partners?

1365
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 1: Mariska Kelly? Kelly? What is what is the Mariska vibe? Queen?

1366
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 1: She was so lovely to me. She also ways deeply funny.

1367
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 1: Was ripping jokes all day, which is kind of genius

1368
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 1: when you think about it, It's probably a very necessary

1369
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: thing for her, so heavy and dark. Um, she just

1370
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 1: had everybody cracking up the whole day and she was

1371
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 1: just great, Well, now we're going to crack open a

1372
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 1: new I don't think so, honey. With Megan, are you

1373
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 1: do you have a you have a topic? I do.

1374
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 1: I'm nervous that I can't speak about it for a minute.

1375
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 1: But let's see what happen. You're people find that they

1376
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 1: have so much more to say than they ever can

1377
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 1: think about these things that shag at them. A little controversial.

1378
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 1: I talked to my friend, she'll be about it on

1379
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 1: my way here, and she disagrees with what I'm about

1380
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 1: to say. May or may not be the end of

1381
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 1: our friendship. We love discord, we love discourse, discord and discourse. Okay,

1382
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 1: maybe not all right, this is Megan phase. I don't

1383
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 1: think so, honey, her time starts. Now, I don't think so, honey,

1384
01:14:55,800 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 1: hot coffee, okay, don't know. And he gave me hot.

1385
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 1: I was like, hot coffee is a scam. Hot coffee

1386
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:09,880
Speaker 1: is never hot. And beyond that, as a society, we

1387
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 1: do nothing to support coffee being hot. Have you ever

1388
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,879
Speaker 1: been in a restaurant and asked for a hot coffee

1389
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 1: and had it served to you in a device that

1390
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 1: is meant to help that thing stay hot. The only

1391
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 1: thing it's supposed to be is hot, and they're giving

1392
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 1: us paper mugs, they're giving us glass, whatever, porcelain, nothing.

1393
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 1: It doesn't keep it hot. I always get ice coffee

1394
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 1: because it comes cold and it stays cold, and I

1395
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:39,719
Speaker 1: like to know what I'm in for. It sounds really great.

1396
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 1: But this coffee that I have right here was warm

1397
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 1: four fifteen seconds and now it's not even cold. It's

1398
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 1: like tepid. It's disgusting. Yeah, exactly. So I think that

1399
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 1: America runs on Duncan. But does it that a set

1400
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 1: six America runs duck but found dead? All right? Wait,

1401
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:07,680
Speaker 1: this actually is a huge almost because now you're a

1402
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,839
Speaker 1: true ally, because as we know, gay people are ice coffee,

1403
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 1: and so that's something important to say, and also I

1404
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 1: want to reveal something. So when I was younger, when

1405
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 1: I was a little boy on the sixth grade, my

1406
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 1: science fair experiment was what type of um container would

1407
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:31,320
Speaker 1: keep something hot or cold the longest. The answer styrofoam.

1408
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:35,400
Speaker 1: And you're gonna get sick and you're gonna poison the

1409
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 1: environment everything else. The results were so bleak. Hot things

1410
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 1: became cold very quickly, so fast, so fast. And that's

1411
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 1: the thing with hot, it becomes cold. It becomes cold.

1412
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:53,679
Speaker 1: That's the thing with hot, it becomes cold. My thing lately,

1413
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 1: just one little shot of espresso. You take it to

1414
01:16:57,880 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 1: the hat and then you don't have to worry about

1415
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:02,799
Speaker 1: it cooling or anything. It's just hard. That's so European.

1416
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:06,519
Speaker 1: It's very Italian. I it's very Italian, and I kind

1417
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:09,679
Speaker 1: of feel it feels right. Even if I drink coffee.

1418
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's really hitting the receptors anymore. Yeah,

1419
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:15,639
Speaker 1: now that we're used to cold brew, I think it's

1420
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:18,679
Speaker 1: time to move on. I really do from cold brew

1421
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 1: as a culture. Why it's driving us crazy, Well, honey,

1422
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 1: I knew that I have too. I'm a killing machine.

1423
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:29,560
Speaker 1: There you go. I'm not even killing yeah, why is

1424
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 1: it like lighter fluid? Like what is happening with the

1425
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 1: caffeine level. Someone said to me yesterday, I'm on my

1426
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 1: second cold brew and I looked down on my phone.

1427
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 1: It was like like what, no one's ever like, I'm

1428
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 1: glad I did that. No, when I didn't know what

1429
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 1: cold brew was, when I didn't know it was different

1430
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 1: than nice coffee. I once drank two like in a row.

1431
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 1: I thought it was attack. I felt like I was

1432
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 1: on Molly. I felt like I was working, you know,

1433
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 1: the Boys and White Lotus. Yeah, well that's a great

1434
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:58,680
Speaker 1: way to process two cold bruise. I think if I

1435
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:02,759
Speaker 1: did that, start like sweating and crying. It wasn't shaking.

1436
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:04,600
Speaker 1: It was like that. I mean it was it was

1437
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:06,719
Speaker 1: like a not good experience. And I was like, okay,

1438
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 1: can't do that again. Now I understand, Like I just

1439
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 1: didn't realize. I thought that poll brew was a new

1440
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 1: name we were giving nice coffee. No, No, I was wrong.

1441
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 1: You were deeply wrong. Can we talk about really quickly

1442
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:20,639
Speaker 1: because you just you brought up the boys on Molly.

1443
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with the girls, But Sabrina or Simona, sorry,

1444
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 1: Simona Tobasco Luccia. She's she's a star. She is terry star,

1445
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 1: just alive in every moment. Also not for nothing, but

1446
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:40,799
Speaker 1: like she didn't speak much English when she started the show,

1447
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 1: and I hate that I'm thinking about this, but I'm like,

1448
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 1: I couldn't give if I was acting in a different

1449
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 1: in a language that I did not speak that well,

1450
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 1: I don't know that I would be able to like

1451
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 1: give it this. That's the thing that's so impressive about

1452
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 1: her presence and what she brings to the character because

1453
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine how difficult that would have been

1454
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 1: for her. Like no and her family speaks English. She

1455
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:05,719
Speaker 1: learned so much and even just like when I saw

1456
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 1: her for the premiere, she's like so good. I mean,

1457
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:13,400
Speaker 1: she's and just like as an actress, Like watching her,

1458
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 1: I'm just like, you've got the special thing where like

1459
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 1: you just walking across the frame is like effective, like

1460
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:24,599
Speaker 1: it just does something. She's alive in every moment. There

1461
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 1: was a moment where she went over to the bar

1462
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:27,600
Speaker 1: to order a drink, and just the way that she

1463
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:32,760
Speaker 1: was behaving, I was like, this, hell is really she's

1464
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 1: really the two of them together and so cute story.

1465
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 1: They are really close friends. In real life, they're on

1466
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:44,640
Speaker 1: like an Italian show together. They put each other on

1467
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:51,439
Speaker 1: tape and Mike had no idea and cast them without knowing,

1468
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 1: and then they both saw it. Isn't that so sweet?

1469
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 1: They put each other on tape for it? I know,

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Speaker 1: but you know what, I think you remember? I remember.

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Speaker 1: I think they might have mentioned that in the interview

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Speaker 1: that I was watching with Sabrina, because they were all

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01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:09,720
Speaker 1: sort of like talking about how the Italian style of

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01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 1: acting is actually very different from the American style of acting.

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01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 1: The Italian style of acting is more like you really

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01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 1: play and you give like a picture, whereas like the

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01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 1: American style of acting is obviously like you know, we're

1478
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 1: really delving into the being and the living as the person.

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01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 1: You know. It's just different in Italy. And so this

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01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 1: was a different opportunity for them because it was yeah,

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01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 1: and I'm saying, like, there's so much going on under

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01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:37,840
Speaker 1: the surface, and I'm just like really having a blast

1483
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 1: watching that. I'm super excited for the three of them.

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01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 1: It's really cool. And you know what's interesting you say

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01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 1: that she didn't speak English that well, because even in

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01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:47,680
Speaker 1: this interview that I watched of them, like there was

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01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:49,799
Speaker 1: a couple of times that she just starts speaking Italian

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01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:51,839
Speaker 1: because you can tell she's not comfortable with the language.

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01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 1: And it's funny because on the show it seems like

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01:20:55,400 --> 01:21:00,759
Speaker 1: her character Lucia is more comfortable speaking English than Mia. Meanwhile,

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01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 1: that actress whose name is yeah, yeah, she's stunned, so

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01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 1: she actually spooks the most perfect English in the show.

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01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:14,760
Speaker 1: She has a hard time. Yeah, is that interesting? Yeah,

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01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:17,960
Speaker 1: but it's it's a characters like Lucia is a bit

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01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 1: more like free wheeling and then me as a little

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01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 1: bit more like she's had to enterprise a lot with

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01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:27,679
Speaker 1: American guests. That means so. And we were also talking

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01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 1: about how we love the depiction of sex work in

1499
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:33,200
Speaker 1: the show as just something that these people do, you

1500
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's not like shamed anyway, even

1501
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 1: the American guests, like of course they refer to them

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01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 1: as hookers, like whatever. There's still that like a little

1503
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 1: bit of whatever. But the show is very like these

1504
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 1: are girls that this is what they do for a living.

1505
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 1: They're they're not ashamed of it. And of course, like

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01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 1: later on in this season, you see that their reality

1507
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 1: is a little dark, like with whoever Seo, who was

1508
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:55,160
Speaker 1: ever like managing their operation, but like it's very respectful

1509
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:57,640
Speaker 1: for Trayal. Yeah, I don't think Mike is commenting on it.

1510
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 1: They're just characters whose job is in sex work. Yeah,

1511
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 1: so I think that's unique. You know, it's not like

1512
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 1: they don't exist to comment on that dynamic. There's no commentary,

1513
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 1: which is great. And also what's what I love is

1514
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 1: that those characters seem to be the bridge for all

1515
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 1: the people, for all the characters, like they're the ones

1516
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:21,719
Speaker 1: who are the most mobility in terms of different groups,

1517
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 1: and that's that's such a great way of storytelling in

1518
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:28,600
Speaker 1: this season that we're obsessed. Yeah, I texted like the

1519
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:33,760
Speaker 1: characters are overlapping like the way that everyone is now

1520
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 1: because I've been waiting for that. And it's also like

1521
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:40,280
Speaker 1: a beautiful slow burn, like excellent. You know. Who I

1522
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 1: really think, though, is going to be like the breakout

1523
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 1: of the whole thing is Leo Ye. Like fully, I

1524
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 1: think he's going to be like James Bond. He's got

1525
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 1: it to Yeah, he has an effortless sex appeal, charm

1526
01:22:56,200 --> 01:23:00,120
Speaker 1: on camber pops his like beautiful light eyes me you

1527
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:04,800
Speaker 1: sbolutely stunning. And also it's like if there was going

1528
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 1: to be a character that pulls you away again. Perfect cast.

1529
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 1: Know what I mean. It's like if I if I'm

1530
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 1: with someone and like dating them every single day of

1531
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 1: a trip, and then that guy comes in, Yeah, who's

1532
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 1: not leaving with that guy? Actually watched port and then

1533
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 1: I don't think sunny myself, take it back, I get it,

1534
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 1: like you're a human woman, girl, Like, come on, is

1535
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:27,599
Speaker 1: unbelievable anyway. The White Lotus is obviously airing on HBO.

1536
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:30,760
Speaker 1: You can stream it by HBO max. Is it Sunday Nights?

1537
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 1: Yea Sunday Nights. And the fucking breakout star is Megan Fahan.

1538
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:40,560
Speaker 1: We're so excited that everyone's this was so fun. You

1539
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 1: guys are unbelievable. I thank you for having me, and

1540
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 1: you know that we we didn't even talk about how

1541
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 1: we literally met at Vulture Fest, like several years we

1542
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:54,559
Speaker 1: interviewed you guys. Wait, yeah, that was us. We were there.

1543
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:58,679
Speaker 1: We were the video interviewers from from this was after

1544
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 1: the after making Market married. The day that Megan Mark

1545
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 1: got married was when we met you Asia and Katie,

1546
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:09,639
Speaker 1: And we didn't even talk about how I met you

1547
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:13,640
Speaker 1: at Betty whose concert at Yes, I did remember that

1548
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 1: was the night I got with Jared. Yeah, this is

1549
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 1: so funny, personal history. It's all a very small world.

1550
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 1: Love it. We adore and thank you so much for

1551
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 1: being here. And we end every episode with a song,

1552
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:30,719
Speaker 1: Is there anyone trying to find me? Well, Toby, come

1553
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 1: take me? It's a trying won't you take me? Don't

1554
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 1: know who you are now if you want to hear

1555
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 1: Avril absolutely well the final chorus, and we will give

1556
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 1: her credit on this. Wee listen to the album let

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01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 1: Go by Avril Leviv by