WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Biggest Surprise On Defense? 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:05.040 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:16.440 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys, 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:20.279 screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:32.880 Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips, 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:38.800 and Bill Jones. And it is a happy Tuesday here 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:43.239 at the Star in Frisco, Texas. Outside it is very gloomy, 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:49.720 but inside the bright lights of Talking Cowboys, it's a bright, 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:56.040 sunshiny day. And this is incredible this rain. It's forty 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:59.680 five degrees for the second straight day here in the Metroplex, 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:03.040 and it's raining all day long. But we're here to 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:08.039 brighten up your day with Talking Cowboys. Right absolutely, it's London. 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:11.360 Outside it's Seattle. I'm dressed for success today, you know 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:14.720 I wore I wore pants today. Very good. Oh that's great. 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:19.040 No shorts, Brian, you wear pants today. I try to 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:23.160 every day. Rob. I'm getting a little older. It might 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:25.640 forget some things, but I hope I remember my pants. 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:30.720 We haven't got to the point where we're wearing onesies yet. Yeah, 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:33.440 that's coming next week. Oh, something to look forward to 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:35.880 on the byeway. Why not I'm gonna bring my lsu 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:39.000 onesie out and here we get just get crazy in here. Yeah, 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:42.240 all right, Well it's a player's day off of the 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:45.319 second straight day. They got two days off and go 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:49.720 back to work on Redskins week tomorrow. And but we're 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:52.240 not taking a day off here on talking because we 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:54.080 know you want to talk about the big win on 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:58.280 Sunday and what the owner, president and general manage. Your 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:02.840 calls are very game this week against the Redskins because 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:06.080 it is against the division leading Redskins. Yeah it is 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:08.720 the Redskins. Yeah, it is the Redskins. And you know, 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:11.839 who knows which Redskin team will show up and who 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:14.880 knows which Cowboy team will show up. This is kind 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:17.280 of one of those games where you feel like though 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:20.960 that this thing is one of those I guess Redskins 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:23.600 games in the past it could go either way. This 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:26.640 one really could go either way because you're trying to think, Okay, 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:28.600 if the Cowboys can just do this, and I'm sure 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:30.480 in Washington they're saying, well, you know, if we could 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:32.720 just do this, I mean they've had some they've had 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:34.760 some quality wins if you look at what they've done 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:38.840 in Yeah, and then you know, to beat the Packers 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:40.600 as well. I think we all kind of saw what 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:43.520 Green Bay was last night a little bit, and so 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:46.040 you know, it's a it's a it's going to be 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:48.160 an interesting week to try and prep and try and 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:52.000 figure out. Okay, is were the things you saw against Jacksonville? 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:54.760 Can you take advantage of? You think that? Do you 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:57.520 think they'll let you do this? You know what type 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:01.480 of game plan will will material realized out of for 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:03.679 this week to get ready for this game? Yeah, it's 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:06.120 the chess game, right, Like what's Washington gonna do with 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:08.520 Cole Beasley? And how do they because the questions and 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:10.080 I heard it on the fan this morning to Jerry 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:13.079 it's it's like, well, what was different? Well, Jacksonville played 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:16.240 him a certain way, right, a favorable way, yeah, for 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:17.960 what they want to do, and it worked out and 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:20.600 they were able to execute. So if you're Washington, you 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:21.880 probably look at it and say, well, we have to 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:25.040 take eleven away. Yeah, and if they try to do that, okay, 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:28.079 then who steps up and make plays for this Dallas offense? 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:31.280 So the Cowboys now have a number one receiver, Yes, yeah, 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:33.440 the teams have to take them away. I think we 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:36.200 I don't know. I mean, maybe if I'm wrong again, 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.560 I talked about my memory sometimes going. But we kind 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:41.280 of thought about that. We've always talked about Cole Beasley 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:43.560 as being the best receiver, haven't we? Am I wrong 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:47.880 about that? Yeah? Best we did a deal. Then we 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:49.920 do a deal in training camp. Yeah, who was gonna 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:53.160 be Yeah? He was my choice. I don't know about 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:54.960 you guys. Yeah, I think it was my choice. I 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:57.840 think that's and with the hope of getting Michael Gallup going, 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:00.200 you know, maybe this is that click, the you know, 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:02.200 flip the switch game for Michael Gallop that all of 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:04.040 a sudden, it's I'm gonna go out there and make 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:06.440 some place for you. Now, you know, you're halfway through 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:08.840 the season. Hopefully the understanding and a little bit of 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:11.400 the nuances and stuff that he's had to kind of 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:14.360 go through. Um, maybe I put a little too much 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:17.440 pressure on him to try and make a bunch of plays. 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:19.400 But I think he's capable of it. We saw that. 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:22.159 But they're gonna need They're gonna need somebody to step 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:25.400 up besides Cole bees. I just don't see you know, 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:27.920 Greg Manuski allowing him and I haven't seen the Redskins 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:29.840 tape a smart I've watched their offense, but I haven't 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:32.960 seen their defense, And I just can't imagine Greg Manuski 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:36.480 is gonna let Cole Beasley dominate the game. He did 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:37.880 like he did the first half of that one the 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:41.080 other day. Even Jacksonville, who is pretty stringent in the 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:43.440 way they played defense, they decided in the second half, 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:45.800 all right, we have to run linebackers at him. We 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:47.760 got to do something different to move a different corner 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:49.720 over at him. Yeah. So if they're willing to do that, 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:51.480 then I'm sure. Yeah, if Washington's gonna look at the 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:53.480 tape and probably see something different to do. But he's 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:56.240 still caught three passes in the second half after yeah, 0:04:56.320 --> 0:05:00.560 twenty four nothing right, gallop. He had the most snaps 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:03.279 of all wide receivers and I'm not against that at all. 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:06.440 Fifty nine and that's what I think we've been asking for. Yeah, 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:09.039 get him out there, get him going. And it was 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:12.520 unfortunate he didn't have that touchdown catch because he had 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:14.400 his foot coming down. I'd like to see him the 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:17.200 second half, hit his heel, yeah, you know, but yeah, 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:19.360 the second half, get him going, find a way to 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:22.520 get him going. You know what you know, if if no, uh, 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:26.080 if no Tavon Austin this week, you know, because we think, 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:28.600 you know, the situation didn't sound very good for him. 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:31.080 Well let him. Let him be that guy, and he's 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:32.880 a guy that could separate. We could see, I mean 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:34.880 they have. They almost hit a play the other day 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:38.560 with Tavon Austin on the you know, against Jalen Ramsey 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:40.320 down the middle of the field, and it would been 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:43.200 a chance. We've seen the same thing from Michael Gallup 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:44.960 to be able to run, to be able to separate. 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:49.359 Hopefully he can take some of that downfield, uh, you 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:51.600 know ability and bring it to the and bring it 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:53.039 to the game and bring it to the game plan 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:56.000 next week. All right, refresh my memory. The owner on 0:05:56.200 --> 0:06:00.400 the fan this morning likened Tavon Austin's in jury to 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:04.839 Mo Claiborne's groin injury. I'll remember that was more stomach, 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:08.680 but that was that was one of those abductors. Yeah, 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:12.720 that's what yea, he was asked about. I mean, I'm 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:15.560 not but Mo had a lot of different things. You know, 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:18.440 it wasn't just your normal groin. I thought it was 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:22.360 your lower applement, which is if there is, yeah, because 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:25.839 sometimes you have to have like surgery for those sports. 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:28.160 But we're not we're not ever saying that's the case 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:30.400 here at all. We're just trying to read it. Well. 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:33.960 Jason didn't sound very hopeful for him no this week, 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.120 and Jerry didn't even and when Jerry and and and 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:39.839 Jason's normally a day to day guy, right, and when 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:42.080 he kind of suggests he's going to have a hard 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:45.200 time getting back for this one, then yeah, it's a 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:48.920 little bit more serious than your Bryce Butler pulling a 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:52.919 growing muscle on on Friday. Okay, So what do you 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.960 think about the Shawn Lee situation going into this week 0:06:56.000 --> 0:07:00.360 with a bye week next week? I can't god less 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:03.840 Shawn Lee? How hard was raining? Yes? Okay? Yeah, going 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:08.160 to that first, did you see what was going on inside? Yeah? 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:11.360 I know they had something going on, but he's outside. 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:14.720 It had to be he's outside doing his rehab and 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:19.840 the pouring down sideways rain. Yeah, with his helmet on. Yeah, 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:22.920 I don't Brown had his rain suit, so he was okay, 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.680 and they actually went in to put more on, but 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:27.600 he had his jersey. I couldn't tell if he had 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:31.480 his shoulder pads. On or not, but out there running sprints, 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:34.960 doing his resistance work, it's like something out of the natural. 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:39.240 It's like, seriously, yeah, but that's Sean Lee. So I 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:42.760 don't rule him out. Um. I want to take Jason 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:45.560 Garrett as word, and I do. He said, look, we 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:49.480 only get sixteen games. Yeah, so if he's available, we 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:53.920 got to play him against Washington. That looks he took 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:57.840 a picture of him when we finished yesterday. Sometimes that's 0:07:57.840 --> 0:07:59.840 against the rules. I know I did not. I didn't. 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:06.600 He just showed me. Didn't catch it. But they have 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:09.560 a history of you see that by looming in an 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:13.080 extra week and and the fact that he's had lingering 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:16.160 problems with this thing, he's to me, he's got to 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:17.920 be like one hundred and fifty percent to be able 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:20.680 to go this week, because otherwise I think they'd be 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:23.000 cautious and make sure he's good to go right after 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:29.000 the buy. Shaun Lee has a tradition, excuse me, a tradition, 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:34.280 a history of playing really well against these NFC East opponents. 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:38.120 You know, I'm sure Jason Garrett and you're right right. 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:42.280 I read into that yesterday of Shaun Lee kind of 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:44.800 wants to play. Of course, and that's why Shaun Lee 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:47.000 is out there in the in the pouring rain in 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:52.200 forty five degrees, dragging Britt Brown like he's a you know, 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:55.079 like he's on a dog walk, you know, I mean 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:59.320 to me and I always say this, you know me, 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:03.360 guys they're all must win and he and Garrett's right, 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:06.520 you only get to play so many of these, and 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:08.760 you know you gotta. If you're Sean Lee, you're seeing 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:12.400 what's going on with his defense. You know, it's probably 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.520 killing him to sit there on the sidelines while they 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:18.920 get stop after stop after stop and create turnovers and 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:21.679 no question, you know. And and if Sean Lee can 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:24.880 get out there, because he owns this division. When he 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:28.960 plays the Giants, the Eagles, the Redskins, he always what 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:31.360 was the big play he made several years ago, remembered 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:34.280 down the in the the interception? Did he get? You 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:36.559 know him, Barry always seemed to like those guys were 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:41.000 always playing well against the Red They He's I'm just saying, 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:43.640 Sean Lee, if he could play, Sean Lee's gonna play. 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:46.440 I don't care what they say about caution and all 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:49.280 that stuff like that. If Sean Lee's doing everything, he's 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:52.280 just saying I would say, I'm trying to argue with you. 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:55.920 I'm just trying to say that. But it's, you know, 0:09:56.559 --> 0:10:00.320 caution cautions when they okay, they have you way to 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:03.120 be cautious because they've got two keys right now that 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:05.719 are playing their ass off with that, you know, with 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:09.720 Jalen Smith and then with Layton Vanderish, they can be cautious. 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:14.480 But you know what, this season is not about caution anymore. 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.160 It's not. But you do have ten games left, and 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:19.760 I want him for ten games, not one or two. 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:22.640 Not get him for ten games? Well, well I want 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:24.800 him for for eight. But they're not going to force 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:27.400 him out there. No, they don't. They don't do that. 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.760 I think what Jason was saying, if he's ready, he's ready. Yeah, 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:32.680 and I don't care if we have a buy coming 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:35.840 up yea notybe. I should sit it that way. And 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:38.720 if he's not ready, then we get three weeks before 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:42.720 he would play a game. Ready means not though, no, 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:45.440 I mean ready ready. Yeah, that's all I'm saying. But 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:48.800 I think also even if he's ready, if he's ready, 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:52.200 and they will have a plan for him because they 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.920 now have confidence in his replacement. There you go where 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:58.679 he doesn't have to play every snap. There you go, 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:02.040 and there's a there's an other side to this, Okay, 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:04.520 all right. You can look at it and say he's 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.120 got if he doesn't play, he's got three weeks from 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:09.560 now they're playing a Monday night game when they come 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:12.080 off the byes, even an extra day there. Sure, But 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:14.160 you can also look at it. You can mix him 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:16.960 back in, okay, and he maybe he gets half the 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:20.080 snaps that he normally would get in a game. Okay, 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:22.439 and then he's got two weeks to recover after that, 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:26.640 so you can still you're still using that bye week 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:29.839 to help him in the process of having him ready 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:31.839 for the rest of the season. He said, the other 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:33.680 thing way you look at it, I mean, how many 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:36.800 weeks is he going to be out of action before 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:40.160 coming back if he doesn't play on any STAPs on Sunday. 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:43.160 I mean, we're looking at six weeks in between times 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:46.640 where he played, and he may be more apt to 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:49.640 get injured again coming off a six week layoff than 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:51.839 if they worked him in. Great I think I think 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:55.120 they just play all of these things together and try 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:58.160 to figure out what's what's the best way to approach it, 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:01.040 assuming that he's ready to play. Yeah, no way, he's 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:02.680 going to come out and play one hundred percent of 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:05.000 the smiles. No, And that's the good thing. Go back 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:09.480 to their plan early in the season. Absolutely, those three guests. 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:11.920 The last game he played in in Seattle, he came 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:14.000 out on the first series of the of the I 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:16.600 mean the second series of the game, and vander Esh 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:19.120 was out there for Carolina. Well, see this is where 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:21.439 this is where it plays in. If you can keep 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:24.200 him healthy, you know, now, if he if he doesn't 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:26.880 have to play, like Mickey said, play sixty five plays, 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:30.360 he could play, you know, thirty plays, forty plays. But 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:31.880 then you have him at the end of the game 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:34.000 when you really need that Shaun Lee play. All of 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:36.160 a sudden, you're in a tight, tough game, you know, 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:39.080 and you're trying to get that stop against the Houston Texans, 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:41.920 You're trying to get a stop against Detrode or whoever. 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:44.880 And now you have a fresher Shawn Lee playing. And 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:48.200 how about okay Evan forbid? But what if an injury 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:51.640 occurred to either vander Esh or Jalen Smith. Well they 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:54.120 don't say that, no, but but if that you have 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:56.720 him available to come in and play that, just like 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:59.199 with a woozy a last game where he didn't get 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:03.400 any very many snaps but none yeah and so um 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:07.080 and already. But he's Joe Thomas. He is active, right, 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:09.000 And that's the other part of it is Joe Joe 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:14.240 Thomas's and he's basically taking Joe Thomas's spot, you know. Yeah, Yeah, 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:17.080 I've been saying it. You don't to get Sean through 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:20.080 the full season, don't play him sixty defensive snaps a game, 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:22.600 don't do it. You don't have to anymore so, And 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.000 I think that's the way they approached it in the offseason, 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:28.000 that when they look back at at last season and 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:31.720 the last several seasons, it's his entire career. They knew 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.040 that they needed to fortify that position. They were also 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:37.520 losing losing Anthony Hitchins and free agencies, and which is 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:39.840 a huge reason that they spent a first round draft 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:43.720 pick on Layton vander Eshye, but they also added Joe 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:47.920 Thomas justin March Lillard. They knew that they need they 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.360 drafted yeah, and so they knew that they needed to 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:54.600 fortify the linebacker position because you because of where Sean 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:57.160 Lee is especially now in his career. What age he's 0:13:57.160 --> 0:13:59.320 at right now, right, I mean, here's what they've done. 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.480 A first game fifty nine of sixty seven snaps, second 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:07.160 game forty one of sixty eight, third game thirty six 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:10.280 of thirty sixty nine against Seattle. But that's when he 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:13.280 got hurt, right, right, right, Yes, he wouldn't have played more, 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:18.200 but so he was playing about oh, you know, fifty 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:22.400 percent sixty percent of the snaps and he was nursing 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.880 a hamstring then too. Yeah, all right, yeah, the other hamstring. 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:29.440 Ask a question about the linebackers, Yes, just in comparison. 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:32.840 I'm interested what you guys think, bigger, bigger surprise or 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:37.680 not surprise probably a bad word, but pleasant surprise the 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:40.080 way that Jones has played at corner a way that 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:44.720 Vanderish has played at linebacker on the defense. For me, 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:50.920 the bigger surprise is Jones at cornerback, because I hadn't 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:54.600 seen that. Yeah, yeah, I had. Well, I didn't know much. 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:56.440 I mean, I knew about Vanderish, but I didn't know 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:58.920 that he could play like this. I thought, I thought, 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:01.760 just from what I had read about Vanderish, what I 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:04.360 looked at when I saw him. I'm going, Okay, he 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:06.920 may need a few games, but this guy's gonna be 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:11.480 pretty good. Yeah, give me Layton Vanderish because we saw 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:13.520 Byron play at a really high level. I know it's 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:16.920 training camp practice in preseason games, but Layton missed a 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:21.040 lot of time preseason camps. Yeah, I mean all these 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:23.240 practices out here, he wasn't out here, and it was 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:25.280 kind of like, Okay, what's what's he gonna give you? 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:27.240 What's his role going to be? And he has been 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:32.640 really good against the run, no miss tackles, coverage of 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:35.640 something Brian talked about pre draft, his ability and coverage 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:37.520 for a guy his size. I mean, he has looked 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:40.240 like the total package for a rookie linebacker in this league. 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:43.720 You know Anthony Hitchens his rookie year, Kate had got 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:45.960 thrown into the fire. Oh yeah, okay because of a 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:48.920 shan lee injury for the entire season he played hurt 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:50.640 two at the end. If you remember that Colts game 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:55.080 they won. Yeah, which leads to me, okay, which is 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:58.080 the most the more difficult to go? Ahead? Can I 0:15:58.080 --> 0:15:59.800 answer real quick? I don't want to be Yeah, you 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:03.040 know I think that I agree with Mickey I think 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:08.440 the Byron Jones transformation to corner has been outstanding. I 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:11.280 think that it's it's gone better than they even thought 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:13.080 it would go. I mean, I feel like that they 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:16.320 knew that Byron was a talented guy, but I didn't 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:19.800 think that they well, they probably didn't think that, you know, hey, 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:22.440 this could be this way. I think I think it 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:25.200 took Chris Richard to convince him to make the move, 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:27.920 but it took Byron Jones to say to hammer the 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:31.640 point home. And I applaud him for doing that because 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:33.880 I was thinking, Okay, why would you move him from 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:36.680 safety where he's a good safety. Hell, he's an even 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.880 better corner. I mean, he makes plays at corner. Had 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:43.080 an idea what Vanderesh was, but man, they're both playing 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:45.880 so well on this defense right now. You know, you're 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:49.200 more surprised. I'm more surprised by the corner play by 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:51.320 Byron Jones. And again I agree with Mickey on that 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:53.640 than I do with Vanderesh, which I had an idea 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:55.800 that vanders was gonna be. I didn't think Vanderesh was 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:59.440 going to be this good. But he's exceeded what I 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:01.320 believed he at least in his first year. What he 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:04.280 could be, which relates to my question is, Okay, what 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:08.439 position is more difficult to play in the in this league? 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:12.320 Inside linebacker or a week side linebacker where Layton Vanderesh 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:16.760 is playing, or cornerback the way the way the rules 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:21.960 are always with corner. Yeah, yeah, this is which which 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:25.840 means Byron Jones, when he was playing corner before, that's 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:29.480 a much. Now he's a he's a veteran guy. Going back. 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:36.240 He had more ability, savvy, toughness, whatever it is uh 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:39.360 knowledge of the league to be able to play corner. 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:42.320 And now we already saw it with Hitchens as a 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:45.280 rookie was able to play that position. And now here's 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:49.600 Vanderesh coming in playing linebacker. But the thing with Byron Jones, 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:52.000 he's played fifty four games for you now, yeah right, 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:54.360 forty eight coming into the season and now with six 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:57.560 so hasn't missed a game. Yeah, yeah, I think he's 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:00.520 getting more opportunities at this position to show that he 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:02.439 can make plays. I mean, last year he's a lot 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:05.159 of this kind of deep safety stuff run up at 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:07.120 the end of plays. You know, he wasn't that involved. 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:09.439 He's now on an island and that's a tough position. 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:12.080 But here, look, he can show off his athleticism and 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:14.440 show what he can do in these situations. And we've 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:16.560 seen it his first couple of years in the league, 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:18.600 covering tight ends. You know, when he had an opportunity 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:20.200 to go down and cover a tight end, he did 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:21.800 a pretty good job most of the time. Yeah, but 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:25.520 that was tight ends. We haven't seen him cover receivers 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:27.879 the way we had even in his rookie year that 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:32.600 was very limited. Well, they kind of had threw him. Yeah, yeah, 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:35.199 it was. That was the Rob Ryan administration. Was that 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:40.480 Rob Ryan? It was twenty thirteen, I was fifteen tea yeah, yeah, 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:42.760 so yeah, so yeah, he you know, but he was 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:45.159 mainly a safety year, that's yeah. I'm just because there 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:47.800 was always that chaos in the secondary for that bunch, 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:50.399 you know, it was it was it was always the 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:53.760 thirty second, right, Nothing against Rob Ryan, I'm sorry. I mean, 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:55.720 I'm not trying to run the bus over him. I 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:57.240 am trying to run the bus over him at the 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:00.159 same time. But but there was chaos there, you know, 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:02.440 And I think that Byron Jones, maybe maybe he would 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:04.600 have developed into a really good corner if they wouldn't 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:07.280 have had the chaos that they had, but I had 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:12.240 him outside that position. Flex could either be a blessing 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:16.560 or a curse. And now Yukon he played safety place both. 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:21.200 I know he played both first and then say, okay, 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:23.640 I got that right, you know, And you mentioned Richard, 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:25.439 and I think he deserves a lot of credit just 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:27.399 for like I bet it's got to feel good for 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:29.480 Byron to have this coach come in and say you're 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:31.719 perfect for what I want to do. He's got the 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:35.560 opposite feeling that that Jordan Lewis has. You're right, Yeah, 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:38.760 you're right about that. Jordan Lewis went from a fourteen 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:40.879 game starter, I believe, Mickey, Am I right about that? 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:44.639 Fourteen games a year fourteen games started and all of 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:46.800 a sudden, you know the kids like listen, you know 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:49.120 you're just a tick under five ten, but you got 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:50.840 really long arms. But you know what, I really can't 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:54.280 use your right now, you know, so at the opposite, 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:57.040 probably the opposite. It has to be rewarding. And I 0:19:57.040 --> 0:19:59.240 think you had to worry about losing Jordan Lewis a 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:02.399 little bit, Mickey. He made the right call. What a 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:04.959 good personnel guy would do, would say, hey, I'm not 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:09.000 trading this guy. Where Joe and Flower Mountain Manny in 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:11.600 Mexico City and everybody was saying, hey, trade the guy, 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:13.440 get something for the guy, get a tight end for 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:16.480 the guy. You know, sometimes you just have to hold on. 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:18.080 Some of the best trades you make are the ones 0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:21.280 you don't make, you know, And holding on to Jordan 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:25.600 Lewis for that game the other day proved beneficial for you. 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:28.399 He had he had the bad play they had the 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:30.800 one time when they played dime against Detroit, and that 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:33.000 was bad for him. But and you're worried about, gosh, 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:35.439 we lose this guy. But no, he bounced back in 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:38.040