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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips,
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Speaker 1: Outside it's Seattle. I'm dressed for success today, you know
Speaker 1: I wore I wore pants today. Very good. Oh that's great.
Speaker 1: No shorts, Brian, you wear pants today. I try to
Speaker 1: every day. Rob. I'm getting a little older. It might
Speaker 1: forget some things, but I hope I remember my pants.
Speaker 1: We haven't got to the point where we're wearing onesies yet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's coming next week. Oh, something to look forward to
Speaker 1: on the byeway. Why not I'm gonna bring my lsu
Speaker 1: onesie out and here we get just get crazy in here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, Well it's a player's day off of the
Speaker 1: second straight day. They got two days off and go
Speaker 1: back to work on Redskins week tomorrow. And but we're
Speaker 1: not taking a day off here on talking because we
Speaker 1: know you want to talk about the big win on
Speaker 1: Sunday and what the owner, president and general manage. Your
Speaker 1: calls are very game this week against the Redskins because
Speaker 1: it is against the division leading Redskins. Yeah it is
Speaker 1: the Redskins. Yeah, it is the Redskins. And you know,
Speaker 1: who knows which Redskin team will show up and who
Speaker 1: knows which Cowboy team will show up. This is kind
Speaker 1: of one of those games where you feel like though
Speaker 1: that this thing is one of those I guess Redskins
Speaker 1: games in the past it could go either way. This
Speaker 1: one really could go either way because you're trying to think, Okay,
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys can just do this, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: in Washington they're saying, well, you know, if we could
Speaker 1: just do this, I mean they've had some they've had
Speaker 1: some quality wins if you look at what they've done
Speaker 1: in Yeah, and then you know, to beat the Packers
Speaker 1: as well. I think we all kind of saw what
Speaker 1: Green Bay was last night a little bit, and so
Speaker 1: you know, it's a it's a it's going to be
Speaker 1: an interesting week to try and prep and try and
Speaker 1: figure out. Okay, is were the things you saw against Jacksonville?
Speaker 1: Can you take advantage of? You think that? Do you
Speaker 1: think they'll let you do this? You know what type
Speaker 1: of game plan will will material realized out of for
Speaker 1: this week to get ready for this game? Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: the chess game, right, Like what's Washington gonna do with
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley? And how do they because the questions and
Speaker 1: I heard it on the fan this morning to Jerry
Speaker 1: it's it's like, well, what was different? Well, Jacksonville played
Speaker 1: him a certain way, right, a favorable way, yeah, for
Speaker 1: what they want to do, and it worked out and
Speaker 1: they were able to execute. So if you're Washington, you
Speaker 1: probably look at it and say, well, we have to
Speaker 1: take eleven away. Yeah, and if they try to do that, okay,
Speaker 1: then who steps up and make plays for this Dallas offense?
Speaker 1: So the Cowboys now have a number one receiver, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: the teams have to take them away. I think we
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, maybe if I'm wrong again,
Speaker 1: I talked about my memory sometimes going. But we kind
Speaker 1: of thought about that. We've always talked about Cole Beasley
Speaker 1: as being the best receiver, haven't we? Am I wrong
Speaker 1: about that? Yeah? Best we did a deal. Then we
Speaker 1: do a deal in training camp. Yeah, who was gonna
Speaker 1: be Yeah? He was my choice. I don't know about
Speaker 1: you guys. Yeah, I think it was my choice. I
Speaker 1: think that's and with the hope of getting Michael Gallup going,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe this is that click, the you know,
Speaker 1: flip the switch game for Michael Gallop that all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, it's I'm gonna go out there and make
Speaker 1: some place for you. Now, you know, you're halfway through
Speaker 1: the season. Hopefully the understanding and a little bit of
Speaker 1: the nuances and stuff that he's had to kind of
Speaker 1: go through. Um, maybe I put a little too much
Speaker 1: pressure on him to try and make a bunch of plays.
Speaker 1: But I think he's capable of it. We saw that.
Speaker 1: But they're gonna need They're gonna need somebody to step
Speaker 1: up besides Cole bees. I just don't see you know,
Speaker 1: Greg Manuski allowing him and I haven't seen the Redskins
Speaker 1: tape a smart I've watched their offense, but I haven't
Speaker 1: seen their defense, And I just can't imagine Greg Manuski
Speaker 1: is gonna let Cole Beasley dominate the game. He did
Speaker 1: like he did the first half of that one the
Speaker 1: other day. Even Jacksonville, who is pretty stringent in the
Speaker 1: way they played defense, they decided in the second half,
Speaker 1: all right, we have to run linebackers at him. We
Speaker 1: got to do something different to move a different corner
Speaker 1: over at him. Yeah. So if they're willing to do that,
Speaker 1: then I'm sure. Yeah, if Washington's gonna look at the
Speaker 1: tape and probably see something different to do. But he's
Speaker 1: still caught three passes in the second half after yeah,
Speaker 1: twenty four nothing right, gallop. He had the most snaps
Speaker 1: of all wide receivers and I'm not against that at all.
Speaker 1: Fifty nine and that's what I think we've been asking for. Yeah,
Speaker 1: get him out there, get him going. And it was
Speaker 1: unfortunate he didn't have that touchdown catch because he had
Speaker 1: his foot coming down. I'd like to see him the
Speaker 1: second half, hit his heel, yeah, you know, but yeah,
Speaker 1: the second half, get him going, find a way to
Speaker 1: get him going. You know what you know, if if no, uh,
Speaker 1: if no Tavon Austin this week, you know, because we think,
Speaker 1: you know, the situation didn't sound very good for him.
Speaker 1: Well let him. Let him be that guy, and he's
Speaker 1: a guy that could separate. We could see, I mean
Speaker 1: they have. They almost hit a play the other day
Speaker 1: with Tavon Austin on the you know, against Jalen Ramsey
Speaker 1: down the middle of the field, and it would been
Speaker 1: a chance. We've seen the same thing from Michael Gallup
Speaker 1: to be able to run, to be able to separate.
Speaker 1: Hopefully he can take some of that downfield, uh, you
Speaker 1: know ability and bring it to the and bring it
Speaker 1: to the game and bring it to the game plan
Speaker 1: next week. All right, refresh my memory. The owner on
Speaker 1: the fan this morning likened Tavon Austin's in jury to
Speaker 1: Mo Claiborne's groin injury. I'll remember that was more stomach,
Speaker 1: but that was that was one of those abductors. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what yea, he was asked about. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not but Mo had a lot of different things. You know,
Speaker 1: it wasn't just your normal groin. I thought it was
Speaker 1: your lower applement, which is if there is, yeah, because
Speaker 1: sometimes you have to have like surgery for those sports.
Speaker 1: But we're not we're not ever saying that's the case
Speaker 1: here at all. We're just trying to read it. Well.
Speaker 1: Jason didn't sound very hopeful for him no this week,
Speaker 1: and Jerry didn't even and when Jerry and and and
Speaker 1: Jason's normally a day to day guy, right, and when
Speaker 1: he kind of suggests he's going to have a hard
Speaker 1: time getting back for this one, then yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: little bit more serious than your Bryce Butler pulling a
Speaker 1: growing muscle on on Friday. Okay, So what do you
Speaker 1: think about the Shawn Lee situation going into this week
Speaker 1: with a bye week next week? I can't god less
Speaker 1: Shawn Lee? How hard was raining? Yes? Okay? Yeah, going
Speaker 1: to that first, did you see what was going on inside? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I know they had something going on, but he's outside.
Speaker 1: It had to be he's outside doing his rehab and
Speaker 1: the pouring down sideways rain. Yeah, with his helmet on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't Brown had his rain suit, so he was okay,
Speaker 1: and they actually went in to put more on, but
Speaker 1: he had his jersey. I couldn't tell if he had
Speaker 1: his shoulder pads. On or not, but out there running sprints,
Speaker 1: doing his resistance work, it's like something out of the natural.
Speaker 1: It's like, seriously, yeah, but that's Sean Lee. So I
Speaker 1: don't rule him out. Um. I want to take Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett as word, and I do. He said, look, we
Speaker 1: only get sixteen games. Yeah, so if he's available, we
Speaker 1: got to play him against Washington. That looks he took
Speaker 1: a picture of him when we finished yesterday. Sometimes that's
Speaker 1: against the rules. I know I did not. I didn't.
Speaker 1: He just showed me. Didn't catch it. But they have
Speaker 1: a history of you see that by looming in an
Speaker 1: extra week and and the fact that he's had lingering
Speaker 1: problems with this thing, he's to me, he's got to
Speaker 1: be like one hundred and fifty percent to be able
Speaker 1: to go this week, because otherwise I think they'd be
Speaker 1: cautious and make sure he's good to go right after
Speaker 1: the buy. Shaun Lee has a tradition, excuse me, a tradition,
Speaker 1: a history of playing really well against these NFC East opponents.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure Jason Garrett and you're right right.
Speaker 1: I read into that yesterday of Shaun Lee kind of
Speaker 1: wants to play. Of course, and that's why Shaun Lee
Speaker 1: is out there in the in the pouring rain in
Speaker 1: forty five degrees, dragging Britt Brown like he's a you know,
Speaker 1: like he's on a dog walk, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: to me and I always say this, you know me,
Speaker 1: guys they're all must win and he and Garrett's right,
Speaker 1: you only get to play so many of these, and
Speaker 1: you know you gotta. If you're Sean Lee, you're seeing
Speaker 1: what's going on with his defense. You know, it's probably
Speaker 1: killing him to sit there on the sidelines while they
Speaker 1: get stop after stop after stop and create turnovers and
Speaker 1: no question, you know. And and if Sean Lee can
Speaker 1: get out there, because he owns this division. When he
Speaker 1: plays the Giants, the Eagles, the Redskins, he always what
Speaker 1: was the big play he made several years ago, remembered
Speaker 1: down the in the the interception? Did he get? You
Speaker 1: know him, Barry always seemed to like those guys were
Speaker 1: always playing well against the Red They He's I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: Sean Lee, if he could play, Sean Lee's gonna play.
Speaker 1: I don't care what they say about caution and all
Speaker 1: that stuff like that. If Sean Lee's doing everything, he's
Speaker 1: just saying I would say, I'm trying to argue with you.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to say that. But it's, you know,
Speaker 1: caution cautions when they okay, they have you way to
Speaker 1: be cautious because they've got two keys right now that
Speaker 1: are playing their ass off with that, you know, with
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith and then with Layton Vanderish, they can be cautious.
Speaker 1: But you know what, this season is not about caution anymore.
Speaker 1: It's not. But you do have ten games left, and
Speaker 1: I want him for ten games, not one or two.
Speaker 1: Not get him for ten games? Well, well I want
Speaker 1: him for for eight. But they're not going to force
Speaker 1: him out there. No, they don't. They don't do that.
Speaker 1: I think what Jason was saying, if he's ready, he's ready. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't care if we have a buy coming
Speaker 1: up yea notybe. I should sit it that way. And
Speaker 1: if he's not ready, then we get three weeks before
Speaker 1: he would play a game. Ready means not though, no,
Speaker 1: I mean ready ready. Yeah, that's all I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: I think also even if he's ready, if he's ready,
Speaker 1: and they will have a plan for him because they
Speaker 1: now have confidence in his replacement. There you go where
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to play every snap. There you go,
Speaker 1: and there's a there's an other side to this, Okay,
Speaker 1: all right. You can look at it and say he's
Speaker 1: got if he doesn't play, he's got three weeks from
Speaker 1: now they're playing a Monday night game when they come
Speaker 1: off the byes, even an extra day there. Sure, But
Speaker 1: you can also look at it. You can mix him
Speaker 1: back in, okay, and he maybe he gets half the
Speaker 1: snaps that he normally would get in a game. Okay,
Speaker 1: and then he's got two weeks to recover after that,
Speaker 1: so you can still you're still using that bye week
Speaker 1: to help him in the process of having him ready
Speaker 1: for the rest of the season. He said, the other
Speaker 1: thing way you look at it, I mean, how many
Speaker 1: weeks is he going to be out of action before
Speaker 1: coming back if he doesn't play on any STAPs on Sunday.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're looking at six weeks in between times
Speaker 1: where he played, and he may be more apt to
Speaker 1: get injured again coming off a six week layoff than
Speaker 1: if they worked him in. Great I think I think
Speaker 1: they just play all of these things together and try
Speaker 1: to figure out what's what's the best way to approach it,
Speaker 1: assuming that he's ready to play. Yeah, no way, he's
Speaker 1: going to come out and play one hundred percent of
Speaker 1: the smiles. No, And that's the good thing. Go back
Speaker 1: to their plan early in the season. Absolutely, those three guests.
Speaker 1: The last game he played in in Seattle, he came
Speaker 1: out on the first series of the of the I
Speaker 1: mean the second series of the game, and vander Esh
Speaker 1: was out there for Carolina. Well, see this is where
Speaker 1: this is where it plays in. If you can keep
Speaker 1: him healthy, you know, now, if he if he doesn't
Speaker 1: have to play, like Mickey said, play sixty five plays,
Speaker 1: he could play, you know, thirty plays, forty plays. But
Speaker 1: then you have him at the end of the game
Speaker 1: when you really need that Shaun Lee play. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you're in a tight, tough game, you know,
Speaker 1: and you're trying to get that stop against the Houston Texans,
Speaker 1: You're trying to get a stop against Detrode or whoever.
Speaker 1: And now you have a fresher Shawn Lee playing. And
Speaker 1: how about okay Evan forbid? But what if an injury
Speaker 1: occurred to either vander Esh or Jalen Smith. Well they
Speaker 1: don't say that, no, but but if that you have
Speaker 1: him available to come in and play that, just like
Speaker 1: with a woozy a last game where he didn't get
Speaker 1: any very many snaps but none yeah and so um
Speaker 1: and already. But he's Joe Thomas. He is active, right,
Speaker 1: And that's the other part of it is Joe Joe
Speaker 1: Thomas's and he's basically taking Joe Thomas's spot, you know. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been saying it. You don't to get Sean through
Speaker 1: the full season, don't play him sixty defensive snaps a game,
Speaker 1: don't do it. You don't have to anymore so, And
Speaker 1: I think that's the way they approached it in the offseason,
Speaker 1: that when they look back at at last season and
Speaker 1: the last several seasons, it's his entire career. They knew
Speaker 1: that they needed to fortify that position. They were also
Speaker 1: losing losing Anthony Hitchins and free agencies, and which is
Speaker 1: a huge reason that they spent a first round draft
Speaker 1: pick on Layton vander Eshye, but they also added Joe
Speaker 1: Thomas justin March Lillard. They knew that they need they
Speaker 1: drafted yeah, and so they knew that they needed to
Speaker 1: fortify the linebacker position because you because of where Sean
Speaker 1: Lee is especially now in his career. What age he's
Speaker 1: at right now, right, I mean, here's what they've done.
Speaker 1: A first game fifty nine of sixty seven snaps, second
Speaker 1: game forty one of sixty eight, third game thirty six
Speaker 1: of thirty sixty nine against Seattle. But that's when he
Speaker 1: got hurt, right, right, right, Yes, he wouldn't have played more,
Speaker 1: but so he was playing about oh, you know, fifty
Speaker 1: percent sixty percent of the snaps and he was nursing
Speaker 1: a hamstring then too. Yeah, all right, yeah, the other hamstring.
Speaker 1: Ask a question about the linebackers, Yes, just in comparison.
Speaker 1: I'm interested what you guys think, bigger, bigger surprise or
Speaker 1: not surprise probably a bad word, but pleasant surprise the
Speaker 1: way that Jones has played at corner a way that
Speaker 1: Vanderish has played at linebacker on the defense. For me,
Speaker 1: the bigger surprise is Jones at cornerback, because I hadn't
Speaker 1: seen that. Yeah, yeah, I had. Well, I didn't know much.
Speaker 1: I mean, I knew about Vanderish, but I didn't know
Speaker 1: that he could play like this. I thought, I thought,
Speaker 1: just from what I had read about Vanderish, what I
Speaker 1: looked at when I saw him. I'm going, Okay, he
Speaker 1: may need a few games, but this guy's gonna be
Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah, give me Layton Vanderish because we saw
Speaker 1: Byron play at a really high level. I know it's
Speaker 1: training camp practice in preseason games, but Layton missed a
Speaker 1: lot of time preseason camps. Yeah, I mean all these
Speaker 1: practices out here, he wasn't out here, and it was
Speaker 1: kind of like, Okay, what's what's he gonna give you?
Speaker 1: What's his role going to be? And he has been
Speaker 1: really good against the run, no miss tackles, coverage of
Speaker 1: something Brian talked about pre draft, his ability and coverage
Speaker 1: for a guy his size. I mean, he has looked
Speaker 1: like the total package for a rookie linebacker in this league.
Speaker 1: You know Anthony Hitchens his rookie year, Kate had got
Speaker 1: thrown into the fire. Oh yeah, okay because of a
Speaker 1: shan lee injury for the entire season he played hurt
Speaker 1: two at the end. If you remember that Colts game
Speaker 1: they won. Yeah, which leads to me, okay, which is
Speaker 1: the most the more difficult to go? Ahead? Can I
Speaker 1: answer real quick? I don't want to be Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know I think that I agree with Mickey I think
Speaker 1: the Byron Jones transformation to corner has been outstanding. I
Speaker 1: think that it's it's gone better than they even thought
Speaker 1: it would go. I mean, I feel like that they
Speaker 1: knew that Byron was a talented guy, but I didn't
Speaker 1: think that they well, they probably didn't think that, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: this could be this way. I think I think it
Speaker 1: took Chris Richard to convince him to make the move,
Speaker 1: but it took Byron Jones to say to hammer the
Speaker 1: point home. And I applaud him for doing that because
Speaker 1: I was thinking, Okay, why would you move him from
Speaker 1: safety where he's a good safety. Hell, he's an even
Speaker 1: better corner. I mean, he makes plays at corner. Had
Speaker 1: an idea what Vanderesh was, but man, they're both playing
Speaker 1: so well on this defense right now. You know, you're
Speaker 1: more surprised. I'm more surprised by the corner play by
Speaker 1: Byron Jones. And again I agree with Mickey on that
Speaker 1: than I do with Vanderesh, which I had an idea
Speaker 1: that vanders was gonna be. I didn't think Vanderesh was
Speaker 1: going to be this good. But he's exceeded what I
Speaker 1: believed he at least in his first year. What he
Speaker 1: could be, which relates to my question is, Okay, what
Speaker 1: position is more difficult to play in the in this league?
Speaker 1: Inside linebacker or a week side linebacker where Layton Vanderesh
Speaker 1: is playing, or cornerback the way the way the rules
Speaker 1: are always with corner. Yeah, yeah, this is which which
Speaker 1: means Byron Jones, when he was playing corner before, that's
Speaker 1: a much. Now he's a he's a veteran guy. Going back.
Speaker 1: He had more ability, savvy, toughness, whatever it is uh
Speaker 1: knowledge of the league to be able to play corner.
Speaker 1: And now we already saw it with Hitchens as a
Speaker 1: rookie was able to play that position. And now here's
Speaker 1: Vanderesh coming in playing linebacker. But the thing with Byron Jones,
Speaker 1: he's played fifty four games for you now, yeah right,
Speaker 1: forty eight coming into the season and now with six
Speaker 1: so hasn't missed a game. Yeah, yeah, I think he's
Speaker 1: getting more opportunities at this position to show that he
Speaker 1: can make plays. I mean, last year he's a lot
Speaker 1: of this kind of deep safety stuff run up at
Speaker 1: the end of plays. You know, he wasn't that involved.
Speaker 1: He's now on an island and that's a tough position.
Speaker 1: But here, look, he can show off his athleticism and
Speaker 1: show what he can do in these situations. And we've
Speaker 1: seen it his first couple of years in the league,
Speaker 1: covering tight ends. You know, when he had an opportunity
Speaker 1: to go down and cover a tight end, he did
Speaker 1: a pretty good job most of the time. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that was tight ends. We haven't seen him cover receivers
Speaker 1: the way we had even in his rookie year that
Speaker 1: was very limited. Well, they kind of had threw him. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. That was the Rob Ryan administration. Was that
Speaker 1: Rob Ryan? It was twenty thirteen, I was fifteen tea yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, so yeah, he you know, but he was
Speaker 1: mainly a safety year, that's yeah. I'm just because there
Speaker 1: was always that chaos in the secondary for that bunch,
Speaker 1: you know, it was it was it was always the
Speaker 1: thirty second, right, Nothing against Rob Ryan, I'm sorry. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to run the bus over him. I
Speaker 1: am trying to run the bus over him at the
Speaker 1: same time. But but there was chaos there, you know,
Speaker 1: And I think that Byron Jones, maybe maybe he would
Speaker 1: have developed into a really good corner if they wouldn't
Speaker 1: have had the chaos that they had, but I had
Speaker 1: him outside that position. Flex could either be a blessing
Speaker 1: or a curse. And now Yukon he played safety place both.
Speaker 1: I know he played both first and then say, okay,
Speaker 1: I got that right, you know, And you mentioned Richard,
Speaker 1: and I think he deserves a lot of credit just
Speaker 1: for like I bet it's got to feel good for
Speaker 1: Byron to have this coach come in and say you're
Speaker 1: perfect for what I want to do. He's got the
Speaker 1: opposite feeling that that Jordan Lewis has. You're right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right about that. Jordan Lewis went from a fourteen
Speaker 1: game starter, I believe, Mickey, Am I right about that?
Speaker 1: Fourteen games a year fourteen games started and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you know the kids like listen, you know
Speaker 1: you're just a tick under five ten, but you got
Speaker 1: really long arms. But you know what, I really can't
Speaker 1: use your right now, you know, so at the opposite,
Speaker 1: probably the opposite. It has to be rewarding. And I
Speaker 1: think you had to worry about losing Jordan Lewis a
Speaker 1: little bit, Mickey. He made the right call. What a
Speaker 1: good personnel guy would do, would say, hey, I'm not
Speaker 1: trading this guy. Where Joe and Flower Mountain Manny in
Speaker 1: Mexico City and everybody was saying, hey, trade the guy,
Speaker 1: get something for the guy, get a tight end for
Speaker 1: the guy. You know, sometimes you just have to hold on.
Speaker 1: Some of the best trades you make are the ones
Speaker 1: you don't make, you know, And holding on to Jordan
Speaker 1: Lewis for that game the other day proved beneficial for you.
Speaker 1: He had he had the bad play they had the
Speaker 1: one time when they played dime against Detroit, and that
Speaker 1: was bad for him. But and you're worried about, gosh,
Speaker 1: we lose this guy. But no, he bounced back in
Speaker 1: there and played very, very well though in that game
Speaker 1: last week. Technically he had played fifteen games, seven starts
Speaker 1: last year as a rookie Jordan Lewis, it seemed like
Speaker 1: fourteen starts, Yeah, it was. It just seemed like he
Speaker 1: was on the field every everybody with all the injuries
Speaker 1: they had, Scandrick and a Woozy A. Yeah, all right,
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Speaker 1: girls are athletes? Now they are doing a little I
Speaker 1: was doing a little. Yeah, looks good to be a
Speaker 1: yell leader and m right, that's all the things. Did
Speaker 1: you ever inspire to be a yell leader at A
Speaker 1: and m Rob? I did not? He wanted the white coveralls. Yeah,
Speaker 1: kind of with Rob Rob on a name like a
Speaker 1: hospital orderly you know, coming on, mister Phillips, you're coming
Speaker 1: with us? Yeah? Have you ever? Have you ever sat
Speaker 1: down at an Aggy game? Uh? You stand in the
Speaker 1: whole game? Right when I go back, I'm old. Now
Speaker 1: you don't have to don't have to stand if you're
Speaker 1: to stand, if you're a alumni or a student. Right,
Speaker 1: if you're alumni, you can hear a visit. You aren't
Speaker 1: require to stand though. No one's gonna shame you. Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Kent is all the way one percent. I'm more two percent.
Speaker 1: You're two what you went there? Now? I love my school.
Speaker 1: I don't know all the yells. I went to fish
Speaker 1: camp and it completely ignored it. So I like to
Speaker 1: go to the game and have a good time, but
Speaker 1: I don't get into all the other stuff. Rob loves
Speaker 1: it when he sits with Auburn fans, too, Am I
Speaker 1: right about that? Not so much? Not so much. That's
Speaker 1: where when he hit your wife, guy punched your wife
Speaker 1: he accidentally hit her in the back. Yeah, because he
Speaker 1: was drunk and being ridiculous LSU fan throw a beer
Speaker 1: on me. WHOA, that's respectable. Any respectable LSU fan would
Speaker 1: not throw a beer because we drank the beer. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you it was an accent. The most irritating fans
Speaker 1: are Alabama fans. That's true because they know because they
Speaker 1: got these Because and I'm sitting at the National championship
Speaker 1: game in New Orleans, Missouri was in a national championship No,
Speaker 1: I'm watching LSU Alabama's time. We didn't get past the
Speaker 1: fifty yard line and yeah, the great sec and I
Speaker 1: don't think either team was going to score a touchdown
Speaker 1: in that game. But for some reason, there was this
Speaker 1: row Alabama fans right in front of me, and they're
Speaker 1: shaking these dang pomposa and they were getting close to
Speaker 1: my head and I announced, if this thing hits me,
Speaker 1: I'm grabbing that pompop and gonna start a fight. And
Speaker 1: it hit me. Well, I was a lady. I wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna what the hell and it hit me. It hit
Speaker 1: me right in the face, and I went to grab it,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't quick enough because it went back forward,
Speaker 1: and I was just pissed that I couldn't grab it. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, I was gonna break it over my knee.
Speaker 1: I've got one more question on this topic. To for
Speaker 1: Brian Lsu storm the field after beating Georgia's at right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's kind of we should wears an SEC. Yeah, we've
Speaker 1: won a couple of national championship, don't We don't do that,
Speaker 1: that is I understand. I'm just that's not acceptable, especially
Speaker 1: when I said that they were better than Georgia, when
Speaker 1: they think the Yankee did tell me that when and
Speaker 1: before the game started, Mickey says, you got a chance today,
Speaker 1: and I looked at him, like, Mickey, I don't agree
Speaker 1: with about in two weeks, if you beat Alabama, is
Speaker 1: that worth storming the field? I don't think so, because
Speaker 1: you guess they've been there before they went. They've won
Speaker 1: now three games over top ten opponents this year. So yeah, Miami,
Speaker 1: Auburn and Georgia. Who does who do they? Who does
Speaker 1: Alabama play this week? I don't know what. Let's get
Speaker 1: to first October for Saturday or what Very helped him out.
Speaker 1: They knocked the quarterback out. All right, We're gonna go
Speaker 1: to Palmer in Georgia. Helloh, yeah, ta Hey, how's how's
Speaker 1: it going, gentlemen? We're great? Yeah, go tigers. Hey man,
Speaker 1: I'm down here in the south tip of George on
Speaker 1: Saint Simon's Island about play golf. There you go, there
Speaker 1: you go. That's you know exactly, that's a great spot.
Speaker 1: No hurricanes coming from, No, not there. Why would you
Speaker 1: wish that? Hurricanes? I didn't wish it. What do you
Speaker 1: got home? You like a wet blanket? Mickey? Yeah, here's
Speaker 1: my question, Brian. Okay, do you see any chance the
Speaker 1: Cowboys trading for Joseph out of Oakland? Or maybe Brandon
Speaker 1: Cooks to tie it in with that. I'll get off
Speaker 1: and listen. Thanks for all you do, guys. Yeah, thank you. Micky.
Speaker 1: You hear anything about trades? Anything? Do any trade? Oh?
Speaker 1: I just saw that those guys were on the block,
Speaker 1: and I figured the Cowboys would be the only one
Speaker 1: out of thirty one teams that would be interested. Yeah too.
Speaker 1: You know the word is I was talking to some
Speaker 1: people around the league and they had not heard. Usually
Speaker 1: you can, you know, usually you can call somebody and say, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: has the Raiders called you or somebody called you, and
Speaker 1: like my guys are on the league are saying, no,
Speaker 1: I haven't heard any calls yet, so uh, it might
Speaker 1: be you know something that they've you know, that they're
Speaker 1: going to explore. It sounds like that John Gruden, I know,
Speaker 1: Charles Robinson wrote a piece for Yahoo about the relationship
Speaker 1: between Reggie McKenzie, my buddy, and John Gruden. Another friend.
Speaker 1: That's not very good there. But I you know it,
Speaker 1: I haven't heard anything about the Cowboys, you know yet.
Speaker 1: But if, if, in fact, I do get word that
Speaker 1: they are shopping them, I'll ask people and we'll see
Speaker 1: what we can get. But right now, I just don't
Speaker 1: asking price for Initially, what I heard was like a
Speaker 1: first round pick for the receiver for Amari Cooper. I
Speaker 1: just don't see them, you know, that would not be
Speaker 1: I would not part with that. And he didn't include
Speaker 1: Cooper in that. Yeah. Yeah, so Joseph West Virginia. Yeah he.
Speaker 1: John's trying to get rid of everybody Reggie drafted and
Speaker 1: so that's he was a first round pick. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's I can end well for Reggie. No more first
Speaker 1: round picks for wide receivers in the middle of the season. Okay,
Speaker 1: that is a that is a you should live by that,
Speaker 1: or first and a third or a first and a
Speaker 1: first yeah too, first is it's never good either, but no,
Speaker 1: I just you know, I haven't heard it official Palmer
Speaker 1: and good luck today knocking him around there in South Georgia.
Speaker 1: Another former cowboy in the broadcast booth Joey Galloway. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he does a good job for ESPN. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what college football. He's really good. Yeah, he's really good.
Speaker 1: I like him. He surprised me. Yeah, yeah, he's thinking.
Speaker 1: He's surprises. He's very intelligent about the game, very intelligent.
Speaker 1: He did the tech TCU game. Did he usually in
Speaker 1: the studio, but I heard him doing the game and
Speaker 1: he was really herb Street. Yeah. I can't remember who
Speaker 1: played by play guy was, but anyway, sometimes it's twelve
Speaker 1: years old. Oh yeah it was Armstrong's his Armstrong. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's like twelve years old. He does San Francisco Giants games.
Speaker 1: Oh does he yeah? Okay, yeah, so it might be thirteen.
Speaker 1: He does look young, but he's got it. He's got
Speaker 1: a good voice and good style about it. There you go.
Speaker 1: Unlike some both snoop around we got October thirtieth. It's
Speaker 1: a trade deadline, so we got a few So Tuesday
Speaker 1: before Halloween got a few days. So two weeks from today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well we'll snoop around a little bit and see m again.
Speaker 1: I need to figure out. I don't want to chase
Speaker 1: this if in fact they're not really trading the guys.
Speaker 1: So we'll see. But you would think Gruden is going
Speaker 1: to do all he can to John is trying to do.
Speaker 1: I don't know what John's trying to do. I don't know,
Speaker 1: trying to win what he's doing when he traded Khalil.
Speaker 1: I love John John. John and I are really close.
Speaker 1: John's terrible at personnel and I and I and Reggie.
Speaker 1: I love Reggie. I was with Reggie, and I think
Speaker 1: Reggie brought them out of the dark ages with some
Speaker 1: of the moves and stuff. I mean, Khalil Mack was
Speaker 1: a hell of a pick and went John, Okay, well
Speaker 1: you know it's John going to take those two first
Speaker 1: round picks. And you know, maybe I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just I feel bad for for Reggie. I do because
Speaker 1: John John is killer on personnel. Guys. It sounded like
Speaker 1: the Khalil mac thing just became personal instead of business.
Speaker 1: John will do that to you, John, John will hug
Speaker 1: you and then punching the face at the same time. Well,
Speaker 1: you mean with him and Mac because Mac just didn't
Speaker 1: want to be there. Yeah, So what do you do? Well?
Speaker 1: You you let him sit and he's gonna play six
Speaker 1: games like the Steelers are doing. Yeah. Yeah, Connor's working
Speaker 1: out for them though he is. It's not a great
Speaker 1: to beat cancer. And he's a damn good player he is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: good for him, I mean the good for him. The
Speaker 1: livebacker for the Cowboys did it. And was it ninety
Speaker 1: three or ninety four? Um Smith? Darren Smi Smith, Darren Smith.
Speaker 1: Remember he got in a argument with the and he
Speaker 1: sat out ten games, played his six and got his
Speaker 1: year of credit credit. Yeah, yeah, okay. Um. A question
Speaker 1: from yesterday at the end of the show is about
Speaker 1: tight ends and can Rico gathers, um, take time away
Speaker 1: from Blake Jarwin. Let's let's look at Blake Jarwin versus
Speaker 1: Rico gathers what what are your thoughts on on that?
Speaker 1: Kind of good thoughts about that? When Robert h I
Speaker 1: like progress what I'm seeing from both in terms of progress, Um,
Speaker 1: Ricco again continues to show the ability to go up
Speaker 1: the field and make plays. And that's play. He's made
Speaker 1: a couple plays, one play in each game. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: that's plural. That's a couple of plays, one in each game. Okay.
Speaker 1: And Jet's Jarwin's bread and butter, right, So I kind
Speaker 1: of want to see more Rico, I really do. But
Speaker 1: but I think Jarwin's more polished as a tight end.
Speaker 1: And I liked what he saw. You wrote about it,
Speaker 1: the block up the field on Dak's first touchdown round,
Speaker 1: So that's that's encouraging that he's becoming more of a
Speaker 1: maybe maybe well rounded guy that you can trust. Here's
Speaker 1: what I worry if if you play him more, you
Speaker 1: may get diminishing returns. If you spot them in places
Speaker 1: where he's got it, that you've practiced that stuff, you're
Speaker 1: not asking a lot of them, then he can excel.
Speaker 1: I just want the internet to break, Mickey. I just
Speaker 1: I just want to sechdown. We don't need to do
Speaker 1: worry about that. I just want to see it. What
Speaker 1: do you think, Bran, what are your Yeah, go ahead
Speaker 1: and answer that question. I got I'm running down the
Speaker 1: path where I'm agreeing with Mickey a lot here today.
Speaker 1: But I'll be okay with that. Um, you know, I
Speaker 1: would like to see I think that you have to
Speaker 1: kind of spot play him right now. I know, but
Speaker 1: but but I do. I do understand and again not
Speaker 1: I don't hate riding the fence on this, but I
Speaker 1: do understand that to get him go when you're probably
Speaker 1: gonna have to play him. It's like me trying to
Speaker 1: cheerlead for Michael Gallop, you know, I mean, both are
Speaker 1: very talented players. Why okay brought us? Why are you
Speaker 1: cheering for Michael Gallup and not cheering for Rico because
Speaker 1: we've seen Michael Gallup produced in college. Yeah. See, that's
Speaker 1: the thing I would like to if. But Rico, you know,
Speaker 1: it doesn't look like to me when they put him
Speaker 1: out there and some of that thirteen personnel stuff, it
Speaker 1: doesn't look like he's making mistakes. It doesn't. You know,
Speaker 1: when when Rico's bad is when he's Rico two hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty pounds blocking air. You know, when he's kind
Speaker 1: of looking around like he just stole something. You know,
Speaker 1: he's like you know what you know, yeah, he he's
Speaker 1: putting his head in there. You know, you want Rico.
Speaker 1: If he's gonna make a mistake, make an aggressive mistake,
Speaker 1: just drive, Just drive. Whoever. The other color of jersey
Speaker 1: is far down inside as you can. And that's one
Speaker 1: of the reasons he made the team was they felt
Speaker 1: like he was playing faster. Yeah, not thinking about it,
Speaker 1: but I see where Mickey's going with his analysis of it,
Speaker 1: and i'd like to. I think, if you're going to
Speaker 1: play him in thirteen personnel, he's got to be able
Speaker 1: to block a little bit, because you don't want it
Speaker 1: to be the every time he's coming in the game,
Speaker 1: you're just throwing in the ball. Await, they're throwing a waggle,
Speaker 1: and so now you take your strong safety and you
Speaker 1: jam him on the line. And we've all kind of
Speaker 1: seen Rico when he gets held up at the line,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like he's trying to you know, it's
Speaker 1: like he's in a revolving door. You know, he's just
Speaker 1: kind of getting caught up in And I think you
Speaker 1: have to prove that he could block first before you
Speaker 1: can say, Okay, let's put him in there for twenty
Speaker 1: five thirty snaps and let him just go. Blake Jarwin agreement. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't want to give him too much. You give
Speaker 1: him a little package of things. I just when I
Speaker 1: see him make the play that he made one play
Speaker 1: there's but it takes three guys to tackle, no doubt.
Speaker 1: And that's the you said. Okay, if I could put
Speaker 1: you know, if I could put Blake Jarwin's brain in
Speaker 1: Rico Gather's body, you know what kind of tight I mean?
Speaker 1: I think Blake Jarwin's a sharp guy. Is he the
Speaker 1: most physically gifted guy? No, he's not. I mean, he
Speaker 1: made a nice block on the touchdown run. But that's
Speaker 1: really the first time I've seen Blake Jarwin have a
Speaker 1: block where I was going, oh, I mean I had
Speaker 1: to catch myself thinking, oh nice block, sway, Oh no
Speaker 1: a Jarwin? All right? Yeah, encouraging so at least met
Speaker 1: him the question I was gonna ask you, how do
Speaker 1: you what have you seen out of Blake Jarwin? And
Speaker 1: not enough? I think there are people who wonder having
Speaker 1: this conversation. I think, yeah, and I think there are
Speaker 1: people who wonder if he is even though he was
Speaker 1: not a second round draft pick another Gavin Escobar. What
Speaker 1: would be the difference is they protected him? They protected him,
Speaker 1: you know, they didn't let him go to Philadelphia running
Speaker 1: off the practice squad. They obviously thought enough of him, though,
Speaker 1: he just seems like he hasn't the plays that Blake
Speaker 1: Jarwin should make. The catch the other day on the
Speaker 1: third and two where they faked that they faked to
Speaker 1: dive and they got Blake Jarwin up the field and
Speaker 1: his hands were his hands were laid or his hands
Speaker 1: didn't you know he got Yeah, I mean that's that's
Speaker 1: a play called for you, right because you're Blake Jarwin
Speaker 1: catching tight end. And and we saw him make those
Speaker 1: plays in camp down down the field. I mean, Dak
Speaker 1: was raving about him in preseason, really liked his ability
Speaker 1: just to get down the field and make plays. See.
Speaker 1: I think that's It's one of the concerns is it's
Speaker 1: one thing making plays in camp when you know you're
Speaker 1: not gonna get hit, tackled, whatever, and there's another thing
Speaker 1: when you're playing in an NFL game. Rico had fourteen plays,
Speaker 1: Jarwin had twenty two. So not that big of a
Speaker 1: disparity considering Jarwin's in there to block quite a bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm with you, man, Look but here I'm arguing
Speaker 1: for gall up, gallop, gallop, and then yeah, you have
Speaker 1: a talented player like that, But is it is? It
Speaker 1: is at the right time. He's still coming along, he's
Speaker 1: still this is his first year, and he's different than
Speaker 1: your average first year player. He hasn't played in ten years.
Speaker 1: I get it, Mick. I just want to I want
Speaker 1: the Internet to bring I get you. I would love
Speaker 1: to see us have a show where we're talking about
Speaker 1: Rico gathers the difference maker. Okay, you know where it's
Speaker 1: a five catch, sixty five yard day. You know, maybe
Speaker 1: a touchdown. Yeah, but oh, you know he did okay
Speaker 1: blocking you know, you know what. He looks bad. He
Speaker 1: looks like one of those guys that needs to in
Speaker 1: his progression have success. Man, I don't know how well
Speaker 1: he'd do with failure, you know, because then you go, well,
Speaker 1: I hadn't played in a long time, and he doesn't.
Speaker 1: He doesn't lack for confidence. Yeah, okay, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: say that right now. And I put him in situations
Speaker 1: where he could excel except for on the goal line
Speaker 1: against and one more thing on the time in situation
Speaker 1: how valuables Jeff Swain to this team? Right now? Very see,
Speaker 1: there's now my guy that used to be the unsung
Speaker 1: hero that I say that right, unsung hero? Uh was?
Speaker 1: It used to be Jeff Heath. Jeff Heath was always
Speaker 1: the guy that you know, you know, hey, you guys,
Speaker 1: everybody's on Jeff heat Well, okay, watch him play, watch
Speaker 1: him play special teams. Well, I think Jeff Swain is
Speaker 1: one of those guys that, you know, really the underappreciative
Speaker 1: guy and their appreciated guy of all the things. I
Speaker 1: was really worried about him having to play so much
Speaker 1: in line y and block and just get a beat
Speaker 1: up and beat up. You know, we're starting to see
Speaker 1: you watch him at practice and he's got a knee
Speaker 1: sleeve on and he's got this on and you know
Speaker 1: he's eat those spots on his shoulders. Yeah, he's he's
Speaker 1: one of those guys that's gets so beat up and
Speaker 1: you're thinking, will that affect the way that he plays
Speaker 1: down the field? You know, But he's he's been he's
Speaker 1: been outstanding. You know, I've it's he's given you everything
Speaker 1: he has at the point of attack and when they've
Speaker 1: thrown him the ball in the waggles and stuff hack,
Speaker 1: he's been athletic enough catching it, getting up the field.
Speaker 1: Not just going out of balance or falling down like
Speaker 1: we've seen in the past, making tough catches showing balanced.
Speaker 1: Was a Detroit or was Houston? Yeah, he's like he's
Speaker 1: the balls on the ground and he basically just scoops
Speaker 1: it off the ground. I mean, he's your stunt man
Speaker 1: and he's playing your number one, and I'm worried about
Speaker 1: him being too much of the stunt man. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: that's why I wish they had a James Hannah. James
Speaker 1: Hannah is a perfect guy to take all that abuse
Speaker 1: and allows other people around him to be a little
Speaker 1: bit better than you know, allows him to do what
Speaker 1: they normally do. It's just get downfield and catch the football.
Speaker 1: James Hannah was an unsung guy around here. James Hannah's
Speaker 1: you know, James Hannen Sun. Yeah, I mean Witten. You know,
Speaker 1: Witten did a lot of really you know, Witten was
Speaker 1: some dirty work player guy, but he wasn't the stuntman.
Speaker 1: James Hannah was a stuntman. James, Listen, We're gonna ask
Speaker 1: you a block that two hundred and ninety five pound
Speaker 1: defensive end. Listen, James, you need to crack inside on
Speaker 1: Fletcher Cox here. Yeah, what else swaying has to be hitting? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly right. Now he has to crack on Fletcher Cox.
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Speaker 1: and you couldnt to that question, ask questions. I don't
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Speaker 1: two weeks for Christmas and New Year week for Thanksgiving. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Back in our day, we got off Thursday and Friday, right, Sure,
Speaker 1: didn't get off Wednesday? Yeah, that's right, Rob. Did you
Speaker 1: get off Wednesday? Wednesday? Yeah? And that was in the weekend.
Speaker 1: Teachers might get the full week off Wednesday. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: her best friend is getting married and I hope she's
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Speaker 1: that's why I'm not going to the LSU A and
Speaker 1: M game. In fact, I may not be able to
Speaker 1: watch the LSU A and M game. Oh you've got
Speaker 1: a phone. That's right, it's not good enough. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I digress. Go ahead, Bill, Bill you ever. I was
Speaker 1: with the Pilgrims at Plymouth Rock when they had the
Speaker 1: first Thanksgiving, so I didn't get any days off speaking
Speaker 1: of weddings in football season, which that oughted to be outlawed. Okay,
Speaker 1: I see, especially her daughter's never your daughter's gotten married much.
Speaker 1: My oldest daughter got married Thanksgiving weekend. It was on
Speaker 1: the Saturday of Thanksgiving weekend. You know it's bad from
Speaker 1: going on then. Actually, I think they may have played
Speaker 1: the afternoon. I was at night wedding, and usually by
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving weekend night. It's don't my daughter. I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: myself in trouble here, but to me that if you're
Speaker 1: gonna get married on Thanksgiving weekend, that might as well
Speaker 1: be a destination wedding. You ask people to come if
Speaker 1: they can't make it. Well, no, no hard feelings. You know,
Speaker 1: you might as well be getting married. But really, Saturday
Speaker 1: of Thanksgiving weekend, there's not that much football going on,
Speaker 1: is there. No, there's really not. You know, NEA used
Speaker 1: to play and they play on like on Friday, Yeah,
Speaker 1: after Friday afternoon, Yeah, and then Saturday afternoons. To be
Speaker 1: by Saturday night is not very mississ in Texas A
Speaker 1: and m rivalry game. How about That's right? Old miss
Speaker 1: and Mississippi State play the egg Bowl at that time
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving night? Yeah? What usually when I can tell you
Speaker 1: about the egg Bowl? Covered a few of those, covered
Speaker 1: a few when I was at the Jacksonville Ledger. Not
Speaker 1: jack jack Larian Larian l. Let's say hello to Nebbie
Speaker 1: and Silver Spring, Maryland. Nebbie, you're on talking cowboys? Huh Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: how's it going? By the way, Rob, I just want
Speaker 1: to let you know before I break down the keys
Speaker 1: to the game to our game against the Redskins, I
Speaker 1: just want to let you know that I'm excited because
Speaker 1: I'm going to the one thousand episode of WWE SmackDown
Speaker 1: tonight at Capitol One Arena Blossom. Here you go, Ken
Speaker 1: and I are jealous we'd love to go. But anyway,
Speaker 1: uh uh, I think the keys uh to our game
Speaker 1: at the Redskins are obvious. We have to be able
Speaker 1: to protect the football, protect Dak Prescott, we have to
Speaker 1: be able to run the ball, and we have to
Speaker 1: be able to put pressure on Alex Smith. And before
Speaker 1: I go, I have a quick question. Uh uh if
Speaker 1: you if you had the guests, uh, will Sean Lee
Speaker 1: play when we play in DC against the Redskins? Uh?
Speaker 1: This Sunday? Take care of Thanks for being patient with
Speaker 1: me and I hope to see you guys at the
Speaker 1: team uh hotel, Thanks a lot, take care of bye.
Speaker 1: All right, thanks having a way to go Sean Lee. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's good on record here it's Tuesday game week, Shan
Speaker 1: Lee playing Sunday or not. I'll start. I'm gonna say yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: Mickey's going No. I was leading on No. I was
Speaker 1: the make you go ahead and do it. You're right,
Speaker 1: you'll be. Bryan convinced me I was leaning towards notes.
Speaker 1: I just listened to the head coach. I would like
Speaker 1: to see what happens tomorrow. No, neb says now. Nebbe
Speaker 1: says now he needs an answer now not tomorrow. I
Speaker 1: should have asked him who was winning tonight. It goes
Speaker 1: to smackdowns. SmackDown, that's Connor McGregor. Maybe someday, maybe someday,
Speaker 1: but not maybe something on Roda Rowse. He's doing it now.
Speaker 1: He's on a career track there. Yeah, Buffalo is looking
Speaker 1: at him as a backup play and I'm going yes,
Speaker 1: I'm going yes. So your vote doesn't matter. We've got
Speaker 1: three yays. You got me. Just don't tell Sean. He'll
Speaker 1: hold it against me. Nah. Oh, you didn't think I
Speaker 1: could play? Huh? All right. I had a little cliffhanger
Speaker 1: last week where I said I made a reference to
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott and the Cowboys and the Kansas City Chiefs
Speaker 1: offense and kind of the I think it gives hope.
Speaker 1: Not I'm not talking Dak so much as I am
Speaker 1: the Cowboys offense. And of course this was the Cowboys
Speaker 1: offense and Chiefs offense the same. What is the MS?
Speaker 1: Okay did you fall? What think about the Chiefs offense? Yeah?
Speaker 1: For the better part of this decade? Okay, when Alex
Speaker 1: Smith was a quarterback? Yes? Whatever? How many weapons did
Speaker 1: they have? What was the big knock against the Chiefs
Speaker 1: offense never could score touchdowns with the receivers. They went
Speaker 1: a whole season without a receiver exactly. They had no
Speaker 1: weapons on offense basically, right, okay, And now all of
Speaker 1: a sudden they got more weapons than any offense in
Speaker 1: the league. And you know, of course, now Mahomes it
Speaker 1: makes makes it happen too. Yeah, but if you took
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey and Tyreek Hill off that Kansas City team
Speaker 1: and put them on the Cowboys team, what would you
Speaker 1: have weapons? Yeah, you would have some weapons, no question.
Speaker 1: But my point is about we're saying that Dak is
Speaker 1: comparable to me. No, no, no, no, no, I'm saying
Speaker 1: even before Mahomes this year, they had weapons last year
Speaker 1: with Tyree Hill and Travis Kelsey, with Alex Smith at quarterback, right,
Speaker 1: and Prescott is and we'll talk more about this as
Speaker 1: the week goes on. Dak is a lot like Alex
Speaker 1: Smith and the way he takes care of the football
Speaker 1: and so forth. Whatever. And they made the playoffs right now. Okay, Now,
Speaker 1: they didn't go deep in the playoffs, but they were
Speaker 1: a playoff team with Alex Smith at quarterback and with
Speaker 1: the and they finally got some weapons last year and
Speaker 1: now it's all coming to fruition with Mahomes pulling the trick.
Speaker 1: But if you what I'm saying is the Cowboys aren't
Speaker 1: that far away from having an offense that can threaten teams.
Speaker 1: They just got to acquire these plays, the importance of
Speaker 1: the weapons, the tight end, pass catching tight end like
Speaker 1: a Travis Kelsey, a speed receiver like a Tyreek Hill
Speaker 1: who can make plays like he does. Now there's not
Speaker 1: a lot of them around, but I mean, you look
Speaker 1: at Kansas City. For a half decade at least, they
Speaker 1: didn't have any playmakers on offense whatever, and now they
Speaker 1: got all the playmakers in the world. You can turn
Speaker 1: it around. When do you think Kansas City? Okay, you
Speaker 1: said turn around the draft? Do you think they turned
Speaker 1: it around with And I'm not trying to take a
Speaker 1: shot at Scott Linahan, but I'm saying, did they turn
Speaker 1: it around when Andy Reid stop calling plays? And when
Speaker 1: the guy, the Chicago head coach was like, you know
Speaker 1: it was nat you was their play primary play caller? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: did they get creative with him there? And as Andy
Speaker 1: Reid is saying, oh wow, okay, this is you know,
Speaker 1: this is a good idea. This is the way you
Speaker 1: need to play. I mean, I wonder if the change
Speaker 1: in philosophy was what got Kansas City to this point.
Speaker 1: So you know, so am I making sense here? Point? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But your point is Hill and Kelsey right now? And
Speaker 1: they got a running back to Yeah, but who are
Speaker 1: their other receivers? Helped me out here? Well, one of
Speaker 1: them is Sammy Watkins. Yeah, and you know what he's
Speaker 1: got not doing anything? Twenty two catches? Yeah? Which guy
Speaker 1: which the Cowboys tea would be second buying? Cole Beasley
Speaker 1: as far as receivers. What's he making like fifteen million
Speaker 1: a year? Six? Yeah? Yeah he is? Wow? Yes, And
Speaker 1: I'm looking down the list here of AFC and they
Speaker 1: end at sixteen catches and none of their other guys
Speaker 1: ye have. Chris Conley is another receiver for right, So
Speaker 1: so you trade out? Is Dak better than Hunt? I
Speaker 1: mean Zeke better than Hunt? I would take Zeke? There,
Speaker 1: take Zeke? Okay, so you got so you have that,
Speaker 1: Now can you get the other this? Yeah? This is
Speaker 1: that you're right, mickey. This is where the discussion was
Speaker 1: was made. Is they determined that, Okay, this is the
Speaker 1: way we're gonna go at tight end and this is
Speaker 1: the way we're gonna go at wide receiver. Yep. And
Speaker 1: those might be the two positions that are holding you
Speaker 1: back from having an offense similar to what Kansas City,
Speaker 1: at least the weapons. I don't know if the play
Speaker 1: caller would be is you know the play call I thought, yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought the play card did a nice job the
Speaker 1: other day. Yeah, I really did. I thought he did
Speaker 1: a really good job of of of working with Dak
Speaker 1: and getting that thing to go. He took advantage of
Speaker 1: some stuff that Jacksonville was doing and give him some credit.
Speaker 1: I don't know, if you had the weapons like that,
Speaker 1: do you turn your play calling around to the point
Speaker 1: or do you just say, okay, we're we're gonna do
Speaker 1: what we do with Hill. And also that, by the way,
Speaker 1: Hill coming out of college, John Dorsey really stuck his
Speaker 1: neck out on that one. Now he was rewarded for
Speaker 1: a player that had some serious domestic violence problems stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then he also traded up for Mahomes. You know,
Speaker 1: in a lot of people thought, whoa, whoa, whoa, what
Speaker 1: are you doing there? Looking like gold right now? So,
Speaker 1: but I'm not putting everything on the offensive line. But
Speaker 1: we can talk about their weapons and can they upgrade
Speaker 1: those weapons in the offseason. Mickey's been banging this drum
Speaker 1: and he's right. I mean, there's a large part of
Speaker 1: this that when they've protected Dak, they've been more efficient,
Speaker 1: and every time it's been at home so far, the
Speaker 1: road has been much different. And I don't know exactly why.
Speaker 1: It can't just be crowd noise, but they've been a
Speaker 1: different team offensively on the road. And it starts up front,
Speaker 1: it really does. Maybe it's who you play well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, they played the number one defense in
Speaker 1: the league on Sunday at home and really did a
Speaker 1: nice job of protecting the quarterback. Yeah, I'm more surprised
Speaker 1: they didn't if they could have protected maybe a little
Speaker 1: better at the Houston, they didn't get a chance to
Speaker 1: really take advantage of that secondary that that that hurt me.
Speaker 1: That's one of those games where the week before we
Speaker 1: came on this program and talked about Detroit can't stop
Speaker 1: the run. What happened? Dallas ran the football. We came back,
Speaker 1: We're thinking, Okay, Houston's past defense is really leaky, but
Speaker 1: what happened you couldn't protect well enough to take advantage
Speaker 1: of a leaky past defense. I think, so what happened
Speaker 1: they got protection against a really good past defense. They
Speaker 1: were able to complete some balls. And you have to
Speaker 1: have confidence in your personnel. Yeah, and I think the
Speaker 1: what you know, if you have a Tyreek Hill, if
Speaker 1: you have Kelsey, you can exploit your personnel. Sure. I
Speaker 1: think what's going on here a little bit is they're
Speaker 1: managing it. Yeah, like, Okay, we can't do this, this
Speaker 1: and this, but let's try to do a little bit
Speaker 1: of this and this and do it well. Right, So,
Speaker 1: I think you have to play to your the hands
Speaker 1: that's dealt you right now. And as much as attention
Speaker 1: as Mahomes is getting right now, look at Alex Smith's
Speaker 1: numbers last year in Kansas City at age thirty three,
Speaker 1: made the Pro Bowl. Okay, he completed sixty seven and
Speaker 1: a half percent of his passes for four thousand yards.
Speaker 1: He had twenty six touchdowns, five interceptions, and averaged eight
Speaker 1: point eight point zero yards per attempt. He was in here,
Speaker 1: He was in the MVP conversation till mid season. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 1: right now, Jay Gruden is saying that he's got to
Speaker 1: do a better job. He's holding on to the ball
Speaker 1: too long. He only completed fifty eight percent of his
Speaker 1: passes against Carolina for one hundred and sixty three yards,
Speaker 1: and for the season, he's only completed sixty percent of
Speaker 1: his passes, which is the lowest of his five seasons
Speaker 1: and a ninety one nine QB rating. Only because I
Speaker 1: read the Washington Post and Gruden was all over him
Speaker 1: that he's got to step it up. And this was
Speaker 1: the quotes from the press conference. Yeah, he's saying Alex
Speaker 1: Smith needs to step it up. He's holding our offense back. Wow,
Speaker 1: how about that? Well, they found the fountain of youth,
Speaker 1: that running back though. I mean, they hand him the ball,
Speaker 1: and some good things have been happening for they. You know,
Speaker 1: they went from draft and the kid in the second
Speaker 1: round to you know, losing him to nie knee injury
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you find Adrian Peterson
Speaker 1: on the scrap heap and he's given a little something though,
Speaker 1: And it'll be interesting to see, Mickey, did they say
Speaker 1: anything about Chris Thompson plan what he think is gonna
Speaker 1: because he's a weapon. That wasn't an injury update, but
Speaker 1: they played this past game without Thompson yeah, and without
Speaker 1: Jamison Crowder by the way, see that, and then there's
Speaker 1: Crowder again, there's another that's Jamison Crowder. Got Sean McVay
Speaker 1: his job and with the Rams and he really he
Speaker 1: turned Jamison Crowder into a really nice football player, used
Speaker 1: him well, used you know, with Garson and you know
Speaker 1: they still got hey. Like I say, well, I'm sure
Speaker 1: we'll get into tomorrow what they're what they're gonna do,
Speaker 1: you know with Jordan Read and those guys, and their
Speaker 1: offensive line looks like it's actually you know, it has
Speaker 1: been times in the past the Cowboys have played this
Speaker 1: group and it hasn't the offensive line hasn't been completely healthy. Well,
Speaker 1: they look like they're pretty pretty healthy going into this game.
Speaker 1: And before I hear all this talk about Josh Norman, yeah,
Speaker 1: always back after he got benched because he got an interception,
Speaker 1: Cam Newton's arm got hit and the ball fluttered up
Speaker 1: like a duck. Any one of us could have caught
Speaker 1: that watching that game right now. Can't wait to hear
Speaker 1: Mickey talking about Josh Norman the rest of the week
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