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Speaker 1: Outside it's Seattle. I'm dressed for success today, you know

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Speaker 1: I wore I wore pants today. Very good. Oh that's great.

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Speaker 1: No shorts, Brian, you wear pants today. I try to

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Speaker 1: every day. Rob. I'm getting a little older. It might

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Speaker 1: forget some things, but I hope I remember my pants.

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Speaker 1: We haven't got to the point where we're wearing onesies yet. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's coming next week. Oh, something to look forward to

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Speaker 1: on the byeway. Why not I'm gonna bring my lsu

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Speaker 1: onesie out and here we get just get crazy in here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, Well it's a player's day off of the

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Speaker 1: second straight day. They got two days off and go

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Speaker 1: back to work on Redskins week tomorrow. And but we're

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Speaker 1: not taking a day off here on talking because we

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Speaker 1: know you want to talk about the big win on

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Speaker 1: Sunday and what the owner, president and general manage. Your

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Speaker 1: calls are very game this week against the Redskins because

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Speaker 1: it is against the division leading Redskins. Yeah it is

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Speaker 1: the Redskins. Yeah, it is the Redskins. And you know,

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Speaker 1: who knows which Redskin team will show up and who

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Speaker 1: knows which Cowboy team will show up. This is kind

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Speaker 1: of one of those games where you feel like though

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Speaker 1: that this thing is one of those I guess Redskins

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Speaker 1: games in the past it could go either way. This

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Speaker 1: one really could go either way because you're trying to think, Okay,

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Speaker 1: if the Cowboys can just do this, and I'm sure

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Speaker 1: in Washington they're saying, well, you know, if we could

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Speaker 1: just do this, I mean they've had some they've had

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Speaker 1: some quality wins if you look at what they've done

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Speaker 1: in Yeah, and then you know, to beat the Packers

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Speaker 1: as well. I think we all kind of saw what

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Speaker 1: Green Bay was last night a little bit, and so

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Speaker 1: you know, it's a it's a it's going to be

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Speaker 1: an interesting week to try and prep and try and

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Speaker 1: figure out. Okay, is were the things you saw against Jacksonville?

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Speaker 1: Can you take advantage of? You think that? Do you

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Speaker 1: think they'll let you do this? You know what type

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Speaker 1: of game plan will will material realized out of for

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Speaker 1: this week to get ready for this game? Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: the chess game, right, Like what's Washington gonna do with

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Speaker 1: Cole Beasley? And how do they because the questions and

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Speaker 1: I heard it on the fan this morning to Jerry

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Speaker 1: it's it's like, well, what was different? Well, Jacksonville played

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Speaker 1: him a certain way, right, a favorable way, yeah, for

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Speaker 1: what they want to do, and it worked out and

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Speaker 1: they were able to execute. So if you're Washington, you

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Speaker 1: probably look at it and say, well, we have to

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Speaker 1: take eleven away. Yeah, and if they try to do that, okay,

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Speaker 1: then who steps up and make plays for this Dallas offense?

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Speaker 1: So the Cowboys now have a number one receiver, Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the teams have to take them away. I think we

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Speaker 1: I talked about my memory sometimes going. But we kind

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Speaker 1: of thought about that. We've always talked about Cole Beasley

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Speaker 1: as being the best receiver, haven't we? Am I wrong

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Speaker 1: about that? Yeah? Best we did a deal. Then we

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Speaker 1: think that's and with the hope of getting Michael Gallup going,

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Speaker 1: flip the switch game for Michael Gallop that all of

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Speaker 1: Fifty nine and that's what I think we've been asking for. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, the situation didn't sound very good for him.

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Speaker 1: Well let him. Let him be that guy, and he's

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Speaker 1: a guy that could separate. We could see, I mean

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Speaker 1: a chance. We've seen the same thing from Michael Gallup

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Speaker 1: next week. All right, refresh my memory. The owner on

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Speaker 1: the fan this morning likened Tavon Austin's in jury to

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Speaker 1: not but Mo had a lot of different things. You know,

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Speaker 1: But we're not we're not ever saying that's the case

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Speaker 1: Jason didn't sound very hopeful for him no this week,

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Speaker 1: Jason's normally a day to day guy, right, and when

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Speaker 1: he kind of suggests he's going to have a hard

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Speaker 1: think about the Shawn Lee situation going into this week

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Speaker 1: with a bye week next week? I can't god less

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Speaker 1: Shawn Lee? How hard was raining? Yes? Okay? Yeah, going

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Speaker 1: to that first, did you see what was going on inside? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I know they had something going on, but he's outside.

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Speaker 1: don't rule him out. Um. I want to take Jason

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Speaker 1: got to play him against Washington. That looks he took

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Speaker 1: against the rules. I know I did not. I didn't.

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Speaker 1: He just showed me. Didn't catch it. But they have

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Speaker 1: a history of you see that by looming in an

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Speaker 1: the buy. Shaun Lee has a tradition, excuse me, a tradition,

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Speaker 1: a history of playing really well against these NFC East opponents.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure Jason Garrett and you're right right.

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Speaker 1: I read into that yesterday of Shaun Lee kind of

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Speaker 1: you know you gotta. If you're Sean Lee, you're seeing

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Speaker 1: what's going on with his defense. You know, it's probably

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Speaker 1: get out there, because he owns this division. When he

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Speaker 1: always playing well against the Red They He's I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: Sean Lee, if he could play, Sean Lee's gonna play.

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Speaker 1: I don't care what they say about caution and all

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Speaker 1: just saying I would say, I'm trying to argue with you.

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to say that. But it's, you know,

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Speaker 1: Jalen Smith and then with Layton Vanderish, they can be cautious.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, this season is not about caution anymore.

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Speaker 1: It's not. But you do have ten games left, and

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Speaker 1: I want him for ten games, not one or two.

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Speaker 1: Not get him for ten games? Well, well I want

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Speaker 1: him for for eight. But they're not going to force

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Speaker 1: him out there. No, they don't. They don't do that.

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Speaker 1: I think what Jason was saying, if he's ready, he's ready. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if he's not ready, then we get three weeks before

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Speaker 1: he would play a game. Ready means not though, no,

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Speaker 1: now have confidence in his replacement. There you go where

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Speaker 1: he doesn't have to play every snap. There you go,

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Speaker 1: and there's a there's an other side to this, Okay,

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Speaker 1: got if he doesn't play, he's got three weeks from

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Speaker 1: fortify the linebacker position because you because of where Sean

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Speaker 1: A first game fifty nine of sixty seven snaps, second

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Speaker 1: Vanderish has played at linebacker on the defense. For me,

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Speaker 1: seen that. Yeah, yeah, I had. Well, I didn't know much.

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Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah, give me Layton Vanderish because we saw

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Speaker 1: Byron play at a really high level. I know it's

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Speaker 1: kind of like, Okay, what's what's he gonna give you?

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Speaker 1: better corner. I mean, he makes plays at corner. Had

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Speaker 1: He had more ability, savvy, toughness, whatever it is uh

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Speaker 1: And now we already saw it with Hitchens as a

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Speaker 1: Vanderesh coming in playing linebacker. But the thing with Byron Jones,

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Speaker 1: he's played fifty four games for you now, yeah right,

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Speaker 1: forty eight coming into the season and now with six

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Speaker 1: He's now on an island and that's a tough position.

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Speaker 1: But here, look, he can show off his athleticism and

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Speaker 1: it was. That was the Rob Ryan administration. Was that

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Speaker 1: with us? Yeah? Have you ever? Have you ever sat

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Speaker 1: down at an Aggy game? Uh? You stand in the

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Speaker 1: whole game? Right when I go back, I'm old. Now

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Speaker 1: you don't have to don't have to stand if you're

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Speaker 1: to stand, if you're a alumni or a student. Right,

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Speaker 1: if you're alumni, you can hear a visit. You aren't

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Speaker 1: require to stand though. No one's gonna shame you. Absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: Kent is all the way one percent. I'm more two percent.

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Speaker 1: I don't know all the yells. I went to fish

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Speaker 1: camp and it completely ignored it. So I like to

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Speaker 1: go to the game and have a good time, but

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Speaker 1: I don't get into all the other stuff. Rob loves

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Speaker 1: it when he sits with Auburn fans, too, Am I

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Speaker 1: right about that? Not so much? Not so much. That's

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Speaker 1: where when he hit your wife, guy punched your wife

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Speaker 1: he accidentally hit her in the back. Yeah, because he

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Speaker 1: was drunk and being ridiculous LSU fan throw a beer

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Speaker 1: on me. WHOA, that's respectable. Any respectable LSU fan would

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Speaker 1: not throw a beer because we drank the beer. I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you it was an accent. The most irritating fans

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Speaker 1: are Alabama fans. That's true because they know because they

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Speaker 1: got these Because and I'm sitting at the National championship

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Speaker 1: game in New Orleans, Missouri was in a national championship No,

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Speaker 1: I'm watching LSU Alabama's time. We didn't get past the

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Speaker 1: fifty yard line and yeah, the great sec and I

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Speaker 1: don't think either team was going to score a touchdown

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Speaker 1: in that game. But for some reason, there was this

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Speaker 1: row Alabama fans right in front of me, and they're

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Speaker 1: shaking these dang pomposa and they were getting close to

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Speaker 1: my head and I announced, if this thing hits me,

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Speaker 1: I'm grabbing that pompop and gonna start a fight. And

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Speaker 1: it hit me. Well, I was a lady. I wasn't

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Speaker 1: gonna what the hell and it hit me. It hit

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Speaker 1: me right in the face, and I went to grab it,

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Speaker 1: and I wasn't quick enough because it went back forward,

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Speaker 1: and I was just pissed that I couldn't grab it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, I was gonna break it over my knee.

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Speaker 1: I've got one more question on this topic. To for

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Speaker 1: Brian Lsu storm the field after beating Georgia's at right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's kind of we should wears an SEC. Yeah, we've

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Speaker 1: won a couple of national championship, don't We don't do that,

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Speaker 1: that is I understand. I'm just that's not acceptable, especially

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Speaker 1: when I said that they were better than Georgia, when

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Speaker 1: they think the Yankee did tell me that when and

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Speaker 1: before the game started, Mickey says, you got a chance today,

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Speaker 1: and I looked at him, like, Mickey, I don't agree

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Speaker 1: with about in two weeks, if you beat Alabama, is

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Speaker 1: that worth storming the field? I don't think so, because

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Speaker 1: you guess they've been there before they went. They've won

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Speaker 1: now three games over top ten opponents this year. So yeah, Miami,

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Speaker 1: Auburn and Georgia. Who does who do they? Who does

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Speaker 1: Alabama play this week? I don't know what. Let's get

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Speaker 1: to first October for Saturday or what Very helped him out.

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00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,959
Speaker 1: They knocked the quarterback out. All right, We're gonna go

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Speaker 1: to Palmer in Georgia. Helloh, yeah, ta Hey, how's how's

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Speaker 1: it going, gentlemen? We're great? Yeah, go tigers. Hey man,

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Speaker 1: I'm down here in the south tip of George on

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Speaker 1: Saint Simon's Island about play golf. There you go, there

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Speaker 1: you go. That's you know exactly, that's a great spot.

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Speaker 1: No hurricanes coming from, No, not there. Why would you

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Speaker 1: wish that? Hurricanes? I didn't wish it. What do you

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Speaker 1: got home? You like a wet blanket? Mickey? Yeah, here's

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Speaker 1: my question, Brian. Okay, do you see any chance the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys trading for Joseph out of Oakland? Or maybe Brandon

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Speaker 1: Cooks to tie it in with that. I'll get off

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Speaker 1: and listen. Thanks for all you do, guys. Yeah, thank you. Micky.

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Speaker 1: You hear anything about trades? Anything? Do any trade? Oh?

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Speaker 1: I just saw that those guys were on the block,

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Speaker 1: and I figured the Cowboys would be the only one

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Speaker 1: out of thirty one teams that would be interested. Yeah too.

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Speaker 1: You know the word is I was talking to some

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Speaker 1: people around the league and they had not heard. Usually

544
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Speaker 1: you can, you know, usually you can call somebody and say, hey, listen,

545
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Speaker 1: has the Raiders called you or somebody called you, and

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Speaker 1: like my guys are on the league are saying, no,

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Speaker 1: I haven't heard any calls yet, so uh, it might

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Speaker 1: be you know something that they've you know, that they're

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Speaker 1: going to explore. It sounds like that John Gruden, I know,

550
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Speaker 1: Charles Robinson wrote a piece for Yahoo about the relationship

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Speaker 1: between Reggie McKenzie, my buddy, and John Gruden. Another friend.

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Speaker 1: That's not very good there. But I you know it,

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Speaker 1: I haven't heard anything about the Cowboys, you know yet.

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Speaker 1: But if, if, in fact, I do get word that

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Speaker 1: they are shopping them, I'll ask people and we'll see

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Speaker 1: what we can get. But right now, I just don't

557
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Speaker 1: asking price for Initially, what I heard was like a

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Speaker 1: first round pick for the receiver for Amari Cooper. I

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Speaker 1: just don't see them, you know, that would not be

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Speaker 1: I would not part with that. And he didn't include

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Speaker 1: Cooper in that. Yeah. Yeah, so Joseph West Virginia. Yeah he.

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Speaker 1: John's trying to get rid of everybody Reggie drafted and

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Speaker 1: so that's he was a first round pick. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: that's I can end well for Reggie. No more first

565
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Speaker 1: round picks for wide receivers in the middle of the season. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that is a that is a you should live by that,

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Speaker 1: or first and a third or a first and a

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Speaker 1: first yeah too, first is it's never good either, but no,

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Speaker 1: I just you know, I haven't heard it official Palmer

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Speaker 1: and good luck today knocking him around there in South Georgia.

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Speaker 1: Another former cowboy in the broadcast booth Joey Galloway. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: he does a good job for ESPN. I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: what college football. He's really good. Yeah, he's really good.

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Speaker 1: I like him. He surprised me. Yeah, yeah, he's thinking.

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Speaker 1: He's surprises. He's very intelligent about the game, very intelligent.

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Speaker 1: He did the tech TCU game. Did he usually in

577
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Speaker 1: the studio, but I heard him doing the game and

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Speaker 1: he was really herb Street. Yeah. I can't remember who

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Speaker 1: played by play guy was, but anyway, sometimes it's twelve

580
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Speaker 1: years old. Oh yeah it was Armstrong's his Armstrong. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's like twelve years old. He does San Francisco Giants games.

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Speaker 1: Oh does he yeah? Okay, yeah, so it might be thirteen.

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Speaker 1: He does look young, but he's got it. He's got

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Speaker 1: a good voice and good style about it. There you go.

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Speaker 1: Unlike some both snoop around we got October thirtieth. It's

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Speaker 1: a trade deadline, so we got a few So Tuesday

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Speaker 1: before Halloween got a few days. So two weeks from today. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well we'll snoop around a little bit and see m again.

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00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: I need to figure out. I don't want to chase

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Speaker 1: this if in fact they're not really trading the guys.

591
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: So we'll see. But you would think Gruden is going

592
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: to do all he can to John is trying to do.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what John's trying to do. I don't know,

594
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Speaker 1: trying to win what he's doing when he traded Khalil.

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Speaker 1: I love John John. John and I are really close.

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Speaker 1: John's terrible at personnel and I and I and Reggie.

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Speaker 1: I love Reggie. I was with Reggie, and I think

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Speaker 1: Reggie brought them out of the dark ages with some

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Speaker 1: of the moves and stuff. I mean, Khalil Mack was

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Speaker 1: a hell of a pick and went John, Okay, well

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Speaker 1: you know it's John going to take those two first

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Speaker 1: round picks. And you know, maybe I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: just I feel bad for for Reggie. I do because

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Speaker 1: John John is killer on personnel. Guys. It sounded like

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Speaker 1: the Khalil mac thing just became personal instead of business.

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Speaker 1: John will do that to you, John, John will hug

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Speaker 1: you and then punching the face at the same time. Well,

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Speaker 1: you mean with him and Mac because Mac just didn't

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Speaker 1: want to be there. Yeah, So what do you do? Well?

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Speaker 1: You you let him sit and he's gonna play six

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Speaker 1: games like the Steelers are doing. Yeah. Yeah, Connor's working

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Speaker 1: out for them though he is. It's not a great

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Speaker 1: to beat cancer. And he's a damn good player he is. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: good for him, I mean the good for him. The

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Speaker 1: livebacker for the Cowboys did it. And was it ninety

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Speaker 1: three or ninety four? Um Smith? Darren Smi Smith, Darren Smith.

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Speaker 1: Remember he got in a argument with the and he

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Speaker 1: sat out ten games, played his six and got his

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Speaker 1: year of credit credit. Yeah, yeah, okay. Um. A question

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Speaker 1: from yesterday at the end of the show is about

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Speaker 1: tight ends and can Rico gathers, um, take time away

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Speaker 1: from Blake Jarwin. Let's let's look at Blake Jarwin versus

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Speaker 1: Rico gathers what what are your thoughts on on that?

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Speaker 1: Kind of good thoughts about that? When Robert h I

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Speaker 1: like progress what I'm seeing from both in terms of progress, Um,

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Speaker 1: Ricco again continues to show the ability to go up

627
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Speaker 1: the field and make plays. And that's play. He's made

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Speaker 1: a couple plays, one play in each game. Okay, that's

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Speaker 1: that's plural. That's a couple of plays, one in each game. Okay.

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Speaker 1: And Jet's Jarwin's bread and butter, right, So I kind

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00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: of want to see more Rico, I really do. But

632
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: but I think Jarwin's more polished as a tight end.

633
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: And I liked what he saw. You wrote about it,

634
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: the block up the field on Dak's first touchdown round,

635
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: So that's that's encouraging that he's becoming more of a

636
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: maybe maybe well rounded guy that you can trust. Here's

637
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: what I worry if if you play him more, you

638
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: may get diminishing returns. If you spot them in places

639
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: where he's got it, that you've practiced that stuff, you're

640
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: not asking a lot of them, then he can excel.

641
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: I just want the internet to break, Mickey. I just

642
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: I just want to sechdown. We don't need to do

643
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: worry about that. I just want to see it. What

644
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: do you think, Bran, what are your Yeah, go ahead

645
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: and answer that question. I got I'm running down the

646
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: path where I'm agreeing with Mickey a lot here today.

647
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: But I'll be okay with that. Um, you know, I

648
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: would like to see I think that you have to

649
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: kind of spot play him right now. I know, but

650
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: but but I do. I do understand and again not

651
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: I don't hate riding the fence on this, but I

652
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 1: do understand that to get him go when you're probably

653
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: gonna have to play him. It's like me trying to

654
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: cheerlead for Michael Gallop, you know, I mean, both are

655
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: very talented players. Why okay brought us? Why are you

656
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: cheering for Michael Gallup and not cheering for Rico because

657
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: we've seen Michael Gallup produced in college. Yeah. See, that's

658
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: the thing I would like to if. But Rico, you know,

659
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: it doesn't look like to me when they put him

660
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 1: out there and some of that thirteen personnel stuff, it

661
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: doesn't look like he's making mistakes. It doesn't. You know,

662
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,959
Speaker 1: when when Rico's bad is when he's Rico two hundred

663
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: and eighty pounds blocking air. You know, when he's kind

664
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: of looking around like he just stole something. You know,

665
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: he's like you know what you know, yeah, he he's

666
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: putting his head in there. You know, you want Rico.

667
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: If he's gonna make a mistake, make an aggressive mistake,

668
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: just drive, Just drive. Whoever. The other color of jersey

669
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: is far down inside as you can. And that's one

670
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: of the reasons he made the team was they felt

671
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: like he was playing faster. Yeah, not thinking about it,

672
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: but I see where Mickey's going with his analysis of it,

673
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: and i'd like to. I think, if you're going to

674
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: play him in thirteen personnel, he's got to be able

675
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: to block a little bit, because you don't want it

676
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: to be the every time he's coming in the game,

677
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: you're just throwing in the ball. Await, they're throwing a waggle,

678
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: and so now you take your strong safety and you

679
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: jam him on the line. And we've all kind of

680
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: seen Rico when he gets held up at the line,

681
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: it's kind of like he's trying to you know, it's

682
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: like he's in a revolving door. You know, he's just

683
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: kind of getting caught up in And I think you

684
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: have to prove that he could block first before you

685
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 1: can say, Okay, let's put him in there for twenty

686
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: five thirty snaps and let him just go. Blake Jarwin agreement. Yeah,

687
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: you don't want to give him too much. You give

688
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: him a little package of things. I just when I

689
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 1: see him make the play that he made one play

690
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: there's but it takes three guys to tackle, no doubt.

691
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: And that's the you said. Okay, if I could put

692
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: you know, if I could put Blake Jarwin's brain in

693
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: Rico Gather's body, you know what kind of tight I mean?

694
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: I think Blake Jarwin's a sharp guy. Is he the

695
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: most physically gifted guy? No, he's not. I mean, he

696
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: made a nice block on the touchdown run. But that's

697
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: really the first time I've seen Blake Jarwin have a

698
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: block where I was going, oh, I mean I had

699
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: to catch myself thinking, oh nice block, sway, Oh no

700
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: a Jarwin? All right? Yeah, encouraging so at least met

701
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: him the question I was gonna ask you, how do

702
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 1: you what have you seen out of Blake Jarwin? And

703
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: not enough? I think there are people who wonder having

704
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: this conversation. I think, yeah, and I think there are

705
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: people who wonder if he is even though he was

706
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: not a second round draft pick another Gavin Escobar. What

707
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: would be the difference is they protected him? They protected him,

708
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 1: you know, they didn't let him go to Philadelphia running

709
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 1: off the practice squad. They obviously thought enough of him, though,

710
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: he just seems like he hasn't the plays that Blake

711
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: Jarwin should make. The catch the other day on the

712
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: third and two where they faked that they faked to

713
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: dive and they got Blake Jarwin up the field and

714
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 1: his hands were his hands were laid or his hands

715
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: didn't you know he got Yeah, I mean that's that's

716
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 1: a play called for you, right because you're Blake Jarwin

717
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: catching tight end. And and we saw him make those

718
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 1: plays in camp down down the field. I mean, Dak

719
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: was raving about him in preseason, really liked his ability

720
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: just to get down the field and make plays. See.

721
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: I think that's It's one of the concerns is it's

722
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: one thing making plays in camp when you know you're

723
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 1: not gonna get hit, tackled, whatever, and there's another thing

724
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: when you're playing in an NFL game. Rico had fourteen plays,

725
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: Jarwin had twenty two. So not that big of a

726
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: disparity considering Jarwin's in there to block quite a bit. Yeah,

727
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: and I'm with you, man, Look but here I'm arguing

728
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: for gall up, gallop, gallop, and then yeah, you have

729
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: a talented player like that, But is it is? It

730
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: is at the right time. He's still coming along, he's

731
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: still this is his first year, and he's different than

732
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: your average first year player. He hasn't played in ten years.

733
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: I get it, Mick. I just want to I want

734
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: the Internet to bring I get you. I would love

735
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 1: to see us have a show where we're talking about

736
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: Rico gathers the difference maker. Okay, you know where it's

737
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: a five catch, sixty five yard day. You know, maybe

738
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: a touchdown. Yeah, but oh, you know he did okay

739
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: blocking you know, you know what. He looks bad. He

740
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: looks like one of those guys that needs to in

741
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: his progression have success. Man, I don't know how well

742
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: he'd do with failure, you know, because then you go, well,

743
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: I hadn't played in a long time, and he doesn't.

744
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: He doesn't lack for confidence. Yeah, okay, I'm just gonna

745
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: say that right now. And I put him in situations

746
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 1: where he could excel except for on the goal line

747
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: against and one more thing on the time in situation

748
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: how valuables Jeff Swain to this team? Right now? Very see,

749
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: there's now my guy that used to be the unsung

750
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: hero that I say that right, unsung hero? Uh was?

751
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: It used to be Jeff Heath. Jeff Heath was always

752
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: the guy that you know, you know, hey, you guys,

753
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: everybody's on Jeff heat Well, okay, watch him play, watch

754
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: him play special teams. Well, I think Jeff Swain is

755
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: one of those guys that, you know, really the underappreciative

756
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: guy and their appreciated guy of all the things. I

757
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: was really worried about him having to play so much

758
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: in line y and block and just get a beat

759
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: up and beat up. You know, we're starting to see

760
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: you watch him at practice and he's got a knee

761
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: sleeve on and he's got this on and you know

762
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: he's eat those spots on his shoulders. Yeah, he's he's

763
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: one of those guys that's gets so beat up and

764
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: you're thinking, will that affect the way that he plays

765
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: down the field? You know, But he's he's been he's

766
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: been outstanding. You know, I've it's he's given you everything

767
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: he has at the point of attack and when they've

768
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: thrown him the ball in the waggles and stuff hack,

769
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: he's been athletic enough catching it, getting up the field.

770
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: Not just going out of balance or falling down like

771
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: we've seen in the past, making tough catches showing balanced.

772
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: Was a Detroit or was Houston? Yeah, he's like he's

773
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: the balls on the ground and he basically just scoops

774
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: it off the ground. I mean, he's your stunt man

775
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: and he's playing your number one, and I'm worried about

776
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: him being too much of the stunt man. Yeah, you know,

777
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: that's why I wish they had a James Hannah. James

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00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 1: Hannah is a perfect guy to take all that abuse

779
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,800
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780
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: bit better than you know, allows him to do what

781
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: they normally do. It's just get downfield and catch the football.

782
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: James Hannah was an unsung guy around here. James Hannah's

783
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: you know, James Hannen Sun. Yeah, I mean Witten. You know,

784
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: Witten did a lot of really you know, Witten was

785
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,080
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786
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: James Hannah was a stuntman. James, Listen, We're gonna ask

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00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,720
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Speaker 1: Like the Thanksgiving Christmas both both both Well, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: specify to go to Dallas Cowboys dot com slash Academy, Mickey,

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Speaker 1: and you couldnt to that question, ask questions. I don't

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Speaker 1: know the answer, because anymore student students for Thanksgiving and

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00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: two weeks for Christmas and New Year week for Thanksgiving. Yeah.

862
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: Back in our day, we got off Thursday and Friday, right, Sure,

863
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: didn't get off Wednesday? Yeah, that's right, Rob. Did you

864
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: get off Wednesday? Wednesday? Yeah? And that was in the weekend.

865
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Speaker 1: Teachers might get the full week off Wednesday. Yeah. And

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Speaker 1: her best friend is getting married and I hope she's

867
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Speaker 1: not listening. She's a teacher too, so she's getting married. Yeah,

868
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: why you're not going to game week of Thanksgiving? And

869
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: that's why I'm not going to the LSU A and

870
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Speaker 1: M game. In fact, I may not be able to

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00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: watch the LSU A and M game. Oh you've got

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00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: a phone. That's right, it's not good enough. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: I digress. Go ahead, Bill, Bill you ever. I was

874
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: with the Pilgrims at Plymouth Rock when they had the

875
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: first Thanksgiving, so I didn't get any days off speaking

876
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: of weddings in football season, which that oughted to be outlawed. Okay,

877
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: I see, especially her daughter's never your daughter's gotten married much.

878
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: My oldest daughter got married Thanksgiving weekend. It was on

879
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: the Saturday of Thanksgiving weekend. You know it's bad from

880
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: going on then. Actually, I think they may have played

881
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: the afternoon. I was at night wedding, and usually by

882
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving weekend night. It's don't my daughter. I'm gonna give

883
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: myself in trouble here, but to me that if you're

884
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 1: gonna get married on Thanksgiving weekend, that might as well

885
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: be a destination wedding. You ask people to come if

886
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: they can't make it. Well, no, no hard feelings. You know,

887
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: you might as well be getting married. But really, Saturday

888
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: of Thanksgiving weekend, there's not that much football going on,

889
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: is there. No, there's really not. You know, NEA used

890
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Speaker 1: to play and they play on like on Friday, Yeah,

891
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: after Friday afternoon, Yeah, and then Saturday afternoons. To be

892
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: by Saturday night is not very mississ in Texas A

893
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: and m rivalry game. How about That's right? Old miss

894
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Speaker 1: and Mississippi State play the egg Bowl at that time

895
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving night? Yeah? What usually when I can tell you

896
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: about the egg Bowl? Covered a few of those, covered

897
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Speaker 1: a few when I was at the Jacksonville Ledger. Not

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Speaker 1: jack jack Larian Larian l. Let's say hello to Nebbie

899
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Speaker 1: and Silver Spring, Maryland. Nebbie, you're on talking cowboys? Huh Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: how's it going? By the way, Rob, I just want

901
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: to let you know before I break down the keys

902
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: to the game to our game against the Redskins, I

903
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: just want to let you know that I'm excited because

904
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Speaker 1: I'm going to the one thousand episode of WWE SmackDown

905
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: tonight at Capitol One Arena Blossom. Here you go, Ken

906
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: and I are jealous we'd love to go. But anyway,

907
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: uh uh, I think the keys uh to our game

908
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: at the Redskins are obvious. We have to be able

909
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: to protect the football, protect Dak Prescott, we have to

910
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: be able to run the ball, and we have to

911
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: be able to put pressure on Alex Smith. And before

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00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: I go, I have a quick question. Uh uh if

913
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Speaker 1: you if you had the guests, uh, will Sean Lee

914
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: play when we play in DC against the Redskins? Uh?

915
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: This Sunday? Take care of Thanks for being patient with

916
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: me and I hope to see you guys at the

917
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: team uh hotel, Thanks a lot, take care of bye.

918
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Speaker 1: All right, thanks having a way to go Sean Lee. Okay,

919
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Speaker 1: it's good on record here it's Tuesday game week, Shan

920
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: Lee playing Sunday or not. I'll start. I'm gonna say yes, yeah,

921
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: Mickey's going No. I was leading on No. I was

922
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: the make you go ahead and do it. You're right,

923
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: you'll be. Bryan convinced me I was leaning towards notes.

924
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: I just listened to the head coach. I would like

925
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 1: to see what happens tomorrow. No, neb says now. Nebbe

926
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: says now he needs an answer now not tomorrow. I

927
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: should have asked him who was winning tonight. It goes

928
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 1: to smackdowns. SmackDown, that's Connor McGregor. Maybe someday, maybe someday,

929
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: but not maybe something on Roda Rowse. He's doing it now.

930
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: He's on a career track there. Yeah, Buffalo is looking

931
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: at him as a backup play and I'm going yes,

932
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: I'm going yes. So your vote doesn't matter. We've got

933
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Speaker 1: three yays. You got me. Just don't tell Sean. He'll

934
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: hold it against me. Nah. Oh, you didn't think I

935
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: could play? Huh? All right. I had a little cliffhanger

936
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: last week where I said I made a reference to

937
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott and the Cowboys and the Kansas City Chiefs

938
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Speaker 1: offense and kind of the I think it gives hope.

939
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: Not I'm not talking Dak so much as I am

940
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Speaker 1: the Cowboys offense. And of course this was the Cowboys

941
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 1: offense and Chiefs offense the same. What is the MS?

942
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: Okay did you fall? What think about the Chiefs offense? Yeah?

943
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: For the better part of this decade? Okay, when Alex

944
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: Smith was a quarterback? Yes? Whatever? How many weapons did

945
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: they have? What was the big knock against the Chiefs

946
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: offense never could score touchdowns with the receivers. They went

947
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: a whole season without a receiver exactly. They had no

948
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 1: weapons on offense basically, right, okay, And now all of

949
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: a sudden they got more weapons than any offense in

950
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Speaker 1: the league. And you know, of course, now Mahomes it

951
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: makes makes it happen too. Yeah, but if you took

952
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey and Tyreek Hill off that Kansas City team

953
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: and put them on the Cowboys team, what would you

954
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: have weapons? Yeah, you would have some weapons, no question.

955
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: But my point is about we're saying that Dak is

956
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: comparable to me. No, no, no, no, no, I'm saying

957
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 1: even before Mahomes this year, they had weapons last year

958
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: with Tyree Hill and Travis Kelsey, with Alex Smith at quarterback, right,

959
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: and Prescott is and we'll talk more about this as

960
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: the week goes on. Dak is a lot like Alex

961
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: Smith and the way he takes care of the football

962
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: and so forth. Whatever. And they made the playoffs right now. Okay, Now,

963
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: they didn't go deep in the playoffs, but they were

964
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: a playoff team with Alex Smith at quarterback and with

965
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: the and they finally got some weapons last year and

966
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: now it's all coming to fruition with Mahomes pulling the trick.

967
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: But if you what I'm saying is the Cowboys aren't

968
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: that far away from having an offense that can threaten teams.

969
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: They just got to acquire these plays, the importance of

970
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: the weapons, the tight end, pass catching tight end like

971
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: a Travis Kelsey, a speed receiver like a Tyreek Hill

972
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: who can make plays like he does. Now there's not

973
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: a lot of them around, but I mean, you look

974
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 1: at Kansas City. For a half decade at least, they

975
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: didn't have any playmakers on offense whatever, and now they

976
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: got all the playmakers in the world. You can turn

977
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: it around. When do you think Kansas City? Okay, you

978
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,919
Speaker 1: said turn around the draft? Do you think they turned

979
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: it around with And I'm not trying to take a

980
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: shot at Scott Linahan, but I'm saying, did they turn

981
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: it around when Andy Reid stop calling plays? And when

982
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: the guy, the Chicago head coach was like, you know

983
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: it was nat you was their play primary play caller? Yeah, okay,

984
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 1: did they get creative with him there? And as Andy

985
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: Reid is saying, oh wow, okay, this is you know,

986
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: this is a good idea. This is the way you

987
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: need to play. I mean, I wonder if the change

988
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: in philosophy was what got Kansas City to this point.

989
00:52:55,600 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: So you know, so am I making sense here? Point? Yeah?

990
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: But your point is Hill and Kelsey right now? And

991
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: they got a running back to Yeah, but who are

992
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: their other receivers? Helped me out here? Well, one of

993
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: them is Sammy Watkins. Yeah, and you know what he's

994
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: got not doing anything? Twenty two catches? Yeah? Which guy

995
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: which the Cowboys tea would be second buying? Cole Beasley

996
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: as far as receivers. What's he making like fifteen million

997
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: a year? Six? Yeah? Yeah he is? Wow? Yes, And

998
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 1: I'm looking down the list here of AFC and they

999
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:41,720
Speaker 1: end at sixteen catches and none of their other guys

1000
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: ye have. Chris Conley is another receiver for right, So

1001
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 1: so you trade out? Is Dak better than Hunt? I

1002
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: mean Zeke better than Hunt? I would take Zeke? There,

1003
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: take Zeke? Okay, so you got so you have that,

1004
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: Now can you get the other this? Yeah? This is

1005
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: that you're right, mickey. This is where the discussion was

1006
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: was made. Is they determined that, Okay, this is the

1007
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: way we're gonna go at tight end and this is

1008
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: the way we're gonna go at wide receiver. Yep. And

1009
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: those might be the two positions that are holding you

1010
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: back from having an offense similar to what Kansas City,

1011
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: at least the weapons. I don't know if the play

1012
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: caller would be is you know the play call I thought, yeah,

1013
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: I thought the play card did a nice job the

1014
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: other day. Yeah, I really did. I thought he did

1015
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 1: a really good job of of of working with Dak

1016
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: and getting that thing to go. He took advantage of

1017
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: some stuff that Jacksonville was doing and give him some credit.

1018
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,879
Speaker 1: I don't know, if you had the weapons like that,

1019
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: do you turn your play calling around to the point

1020
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: or do you just say, okay, we're we're gonna do

1021
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 1: what we do with Hill. And also that, by the way,

1022
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: Hill coming out of college, John Dorsey really stuck his

1023
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: neck out on that one. Now he was rewarded for

1024
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: a player that had some serious domestic violence problems stuff. Yeah,

1025
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: and then he also traded up for Mahomes. You know,

1026
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: in a lot of people thought, whoa, whoa, whoa, what

1027
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: are you doing there? Looking like gold right now? So,

1028
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 1: but I'm not putting everything on the offensive line. But

1029
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: we can talk about their weapons and can they upgrade

1030
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: those weapons in the offseason. Mickey's been banging this drum

1031
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: and he's right. I mean, there's a large part of

1032
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: this that when they've protected Dak, they've been more efficient,

1033
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: and every time it's been at home so far, the

1034
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: road has been much different. And I don't know exactly why.

1035
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: It can't just be crowd noise, but they've been a

1036
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: different team offensively on the road. And it starts up front,

1037
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: it really does. Maybe it's who you play well. Yeah,

1038
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: but you know, they played the number one defense in

1039
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: the league on Sunday at home and really did a

1040
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: nice job of protecting the quarterback. Yeah, I'm more surprised

1041
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 1: they didn't if they could have protected maybe a little

1042
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 1: better at the Houston, they didn't get a chance to

1043
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: really take advantage of that secondary that that that hurt me.

1044
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: That's one of those games where the week before we

1045
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: came on this program and talked about Detroit can't stop

1046
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: the run. What happened? Dallas ran the football. We came back,

1047
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: We're thinking, Okay, Houston's past defense is really leaky, but

1048
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,280
Speaker 1: what happened you couldn't protect well enough to take advantage

1049
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:10,439
Speaker 1: of a leaky past defense. I think, so what happened

1050
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: they got protection against a really good past defense. They

1051
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: were able to complete some balls. And you have to

1052
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 1: have confidence in your personnel. Yeah, and I think the

1053
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 1: what you know, if you have a Tyreek Hill, if

1054
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Speaker 1: you have Kelsey, you can exploit your personnel. Sure. I

1055
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 1: think what's going on here a little bit is they're

1056
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 1: managing it. Yeah, like, Okay, we can't do this, this

1057
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Speaker 1: and this, but let's try to do a little bit

1058
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 1: of this and this and do it well. Right, So,

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00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: I think you have to play to your the hands

1060
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,760
Speaker 1: that's dealt you right now. And as much as attention

1061
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: as Mahomes is getting right now, look at Alex Smith's

1062
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: numbers last year in Kansas City at age thirty three,

1063
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 1: made the Pro Bowl. Okay, he completed sixty seven and

1064
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 1: a half percent of his passes for four thousand yards.

1065
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: He had twenty six touchdowns, five interceptions, and averaged eight

1066
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: point eight point zero yards per attempt. He was in here,

1067
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: He was in the MVP conversation till mid season. Yeah. Now,

1068
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: right now, Jay Gruden is saying that he's got to

1069
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 1: do a better job. He's holding on to the ball

1070
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: too long. He only completed fifty eight percent of his

1071
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: passes against Carolina for one hundred and sixty three yards,

1072
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: and for the season, he's only completed sixty percent of

1073
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: his passes, which is the lowest of his five seasons

1074
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: and a ninety one nine QB rating. Only because I

1075
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: read the Washington Post and Gruden was all over him

1076
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: that he's got to step it up. And this was

1077
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: the quotes from the press conference. Yeah, he's saying Alex

1078
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: Smith needs to step it up. He's holding our offense back. Wow,

1079
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: how about that? Well, they found the fountain of youth,

1080
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: that running back though. I mean, they hand him the ball,

1081
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: and some good things have been happening for they. You know,

1082
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 1: they went from draft and the kid in the second

1083
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: round to you know, losing him to nie knee injury

1084
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you find Adrian Peterson

1085
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: on the scrap heap and he's given a little something though,

1086
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: And it'll be interesting to see, Mickey, did they say

1087
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: anything about Chris Thompson plan what he think is gonna

1088
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: because he's a weapon. That wasn't an injury update, but

1089
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: they played this past game without Thompson yeah, and without

1090
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: Jamison Crowder by the way, see that, and then there's

1091
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: Crowder again, there's another that's Jamison Crowder. Got Sean McVay

1092
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: his job and with the Rams and he really he

1093
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: turned Jamison Crowder into a really nice football player, used

1094
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: him well, used you know, with Garson and you know

1095
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: they still got hey. Like I say, well, I'm sure

1096
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: we'll get into tomorrow what they're what they're gonna do,

1097
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: you know with Jordan Read and those guys, and their

1098
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: offensive line looks like it's actually you know, it has

1099
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: been times in the past the Cowboys have played this

1100
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: group and it hasn't the offensive line hasn't been completely healthy. Well,

1101
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: they look like they're pretty pretty healthy going into this game.

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Speaker 1: And before I hear all this talk about Josh Norman, yeah,

1103
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: always back after he got benched because he got an interception,

1104
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: Cam Newton's arm got hit and the ball fluttered up

1105
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: like a duck. Any one of us could have caught

1106
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 1: that watching that game right now. Can't wait to hear

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Speaker 1: Mickey talking about Josh Norman the rest of the week

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Speaker 1: here on talking Cowboys. That's right, all right, we'll see

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