WEBVTT - Tehama's Most Wanted: Razzlekhan

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Zaren Elizabeth Dutton.

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<v Speaker 3>You come on over here, let me talk to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, what you got for me?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know what's ridiculous? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Wait? Wait, hold up, I do. Oh yes, a nude magician.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, that is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Kazuhisa Oukusa. It's not me. I'm not the nude magician. Yeah. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have a new job. No, he's a Japanese entertainer.

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<v Speaker 2>You've probably seen how much shows like Britain's Got Talent

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<v Speaker 2>or The Late Late Show with James Corden.

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<v Speaker 3>Do I need to remind you I don't watch television.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, he was on the Italian TV show Record

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<v Speaker 2>It means in English the Record Show, The Record Show. Yeah. No, anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>he was on there, impressing the judges and the audiences alike.

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<v Speaker 2>Because this dude has the record for quote, the most

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<v Speaker 2>matches lit with plungers attached to a person's body in

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<v Speaker 2>one minute.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait the most.

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<v Speaker 2>He has the record for the most matches lit with

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<v Speaker 2>plungers attached to a person's body in one minute. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even understand how the record bind you is seventy three.

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<v Speaker 3>Well does anyone else like the runner up on that?

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<v Speaker 3>What is this?

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<v Speaker 2>Hey? Man?

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<v Speaker 3>Plungers attached to the body and then matches lip like

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<v Speaker 3>he uses.

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<v Speaker 2>He uses the plungers. So imagine plungers suctioned over each nipple,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he whips his torso back and forth to

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<v Speaker 2>strike matches that are affixed to a table. And so

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<v Speaker 2>the matches get hit by the plungers, and then they have,

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<v Speaker 2>like I guess, a rough surface that causes them to expose,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the phosphate phosphors strike anywhere. Yeah, exactly. So

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<v Speaker 2>he did it for so long. One of the plungers

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<v Speaker 2>caught fire. He's leaving like, oh, I'm squealing right, worried

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<v Speaker 2>about his nipples. Right, But then later on he came

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<v Speaker 2>back to the stage because he had another one. He

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<v Speaker 2>comes out Elizabeth. He was wearing leopard print shorts. He

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<v Speaker 2>then took a CD, put the CD between his butt

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<v Speaker 2>cheeks right clenched it. The CD was attached to strings

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<v Speaker 2>which were attached to pieces of paper which were between

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<v Speaker 2>five glasses he had neatly arranged, and then with a

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<v Speaker 2>quick swivel of his hips, he pulled the clenched CD

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<v Speaker 2>and then the string, and then the papers and then

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<v Speaker 2>the glasses were left standing.

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<v Speaker 3>How would he come up?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? That was another record, So the other guy, this

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<v Speaker 2>guy's got a lot of records, Elizabeth. Yeah, he has

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<v Speaker 2>the records for, quote, having the most objects removed simultaneously

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<v Speaker 2>from under glass bottles with a ruler no hands, used

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<v Speaker 2>six of those. Oh no. He also has the tallest

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<v Speaker 2>double Jenga tower cloth pull, like we need pull a

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<v Speaker 2>cloth and it stays standing like you know, like on

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<v Speaker 2>the on like a like a tablecloth. Hands he had, yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>head to use hands with that one, seventy eight centimeters.

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<v Speaker 2>He has the fastest time to remove twenty casino chips

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<v Speaker 2>from under a glass bottle no hands, So that's a

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<v Speaker 2>butt cheat clench, nine point sixty three seconds, and the

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<v Speaker 2>longest duration balancing a wine glass on the head with

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<v Speaker 2>a rotating blower with twenty eight seconds. Yeah, exactly. So

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<v Speaker 2>what are we doing with our time? They're not out

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<v Speaker 2>here getting world records because apparently they're just giving them out.

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<v Speaker 2>Well there you got ridiculous, Right.

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<v Speaker 3>That's so ridiculous. I'm scarred.

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<v Speaker 2>Why clenching?

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<v Speaker 3>And uh, do you want to know what else is ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I do don't hear for it, crypto what.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a ridiculous crime A podcast about absurd and

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<v Speaker 3>outrageous capers, hets and cons. It's always ninety nine percent

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<v Speaker 3>murder free in one hundred percent ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you don't heard that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know how when you drive into San Francisco from

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<v Speaker 3>either like the East Bay or if you're coming up

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<v Speaker 3>from the airport, there are tons of billboards for tech companies.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh god, yeah, and like most of them they decide

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<v Speaker 3>that vowels in the company name just aren't necessary, like.

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<v Speaker 2>They're legal, they cost more.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And then the billboards they feel like they're in

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<v Speaker 3>a different lay language because like I don't understand the term.

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<v Speaker 2>Not a word.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all your best source of l MS, CPN connectivity.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what it's like.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that sounds great.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's no physical products, so it's always just text.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you can't show a thing.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's just a big block of text B to

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<v Speaker 3>B software solutions for international GLM with no broker fees.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that real?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>I just say that, I see.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe like it though, it's it's like this whole

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<v Speaker 3>other world, and so I'm going to be hitting you

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<v Speaker 3>with some of that jargon and idiotic company name stuff today.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you know I love I know you love.

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<v Speaker 3>That, and I'm going to talk about I wateringly large

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<v Speaker 3>sums of money.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yes, you do love that.

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<v Speaker 3>But first I want to take you to to Hama, California.

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<v Speaker 2>No, and take me down to ham A Turn.

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<v Speaker 3>It's kind of between Reading and Chico, which will mean

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely nothing to me to non northern California folks. But

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<v Speaker 3>I'm talking to you today, Solati Da. So it's very

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<v Speaker 3>pretty up there.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's going down in the state of Jefferson.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, lots of orchards. The Sacramento River runs through town.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a sleepy hamlet, about like four hundred peoples. But

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<v Speaker 3>it gave us someone who would go on to much

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<v Speaker 3>larger things, someone as outsized as ta Haima is quaint.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh Aaron Rodgers.

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<v Speaker 3>No, her name Heather Morgan.

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<v Speaker 2>He's from Chicos.

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<v Speaker 3>He is from Chico's very close. So Heather Morgan. She

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<v Speaker 3>had a speech impediment growing up and was kind of

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<v Speaker 3>bullied for her voice, and she was self conscious about

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<v Speaker 3>it and said, quote that insecurity prevented me from doing

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of things I was passionate and curious about

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<v Speaker 3>when I was younger, from film and comedy to leadership opportunities.

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<v Speaker 2>So James Earl Jones and Joe Biden both.

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<v Speaker 3>Starterers exactly, and you know what, film and leadership, and

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<v Speaker 3>they're amazing. She may have felt stifled in her younger years,

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<v Speaker 3>but she had her sights set on bigger things.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh good for her.

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<v Speaker 3>You're familiar with Davis, California.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yes, down familiar you.

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<v Speaker 3>See, Davis is my alma mater.

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<v Speaker 2>You we have also heard of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Heather went to y C.

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<v Speaker 2>Davis get out. She was what Aggie for Life. He's

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<v Speaker 2>making fun of me.

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<v Speaker 4>Because I am a member of the YUC Davis Alumni Association.

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<v Speaker 4>And when you do, like when you're like tired of

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<v Speaker 4>them coming at you every year for the money, and

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<v Speaker 4>you say here's a lifetime one.

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<v Speaker 3>They they like, you know, unsolicited. They send me this

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<v Speaker 3>license plate frame thank you gift that says Aggie for Life,

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<v Speaker 3>and it is so ugly and I'm trying to figure

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<v Speaker 3>out who I can regive it to anyway, Well, I

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<v Speaker 3>can give it to Heather. I can give it to

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<v Speaker 3>Heather Morgan. She she had a full ride scholarship today.

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<v Speaker 2>The Captain Morgan Scholarship.

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<v Speaker 3>She studied economics and international relations. She did a semester

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<v Speaker 3>abroad in Ankara, Turkey. Oh interesting and like someone who

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<v Speaker 3>does this semester in Spain and forever wants to tell

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<v Speaker 3>you about Barstonona Turkish culture. Maybe huge impact on Heather.

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<v Speaker 2>I mad it did formative years.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, that stuff will be it's a body, your bones

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<v Speaker 3>exactly so, but more on that later, okay. She graduated

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<v Speaker 3>in twenty eleven and was hired as a research assistant

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<v Speaker 3>by a UC Davis economics professor. He said that she

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<v Speaker 3>was a promising student who had an impressive understanding of

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<v Speaker 3>the Middle East and that she'd quote earned a place

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<v Speaker 3>as a co author on an academic book chapter they

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<v Speaker 3>wrote together, which was forecasting economic trends in me E

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<v Speaker 3>Na following the Arab.

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<v Speaker 2>Spring ah the Middle East North Africa.

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<v Speaker 3>There it is so we have, you know, like this

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<v Speaker 3>very heady work. From there, she moved to Hong Kong

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<v Speaker 3>and she got a job at the Hong Kong University

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<v Speaker 3>of Science and Technology, where she ran seminars about American

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<v Speaker 3>culture teaching English. It's not bad for a Galfrid Taheima

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<v Speaker 3>and so she went on to attend American University of Cairo,

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<v Speaker 3>and her LinkedIn profile makes it look like she received

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<v Speaker 3>a master's in economics of International development there. According to

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<v Speaker 3>Forbes magazine, she only attended one semester and she left

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<v Speaker 3>without finishing her degree.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, ew, I know about that.

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<v Speaker 3>That's no shame in that game. In twenty thirteen, she

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<v Speaker 3>moved to San Francisco, and you know, I know about

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<v Speaker 3>that too.

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<v Speaker 2>She joined the.

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<v Speaker 3>Tech scene, like so many others seeking their fortunes in

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<v Speaker 3>this twenty first century gold rush.

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<v Speaker 2>Go get it, people get it.

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<v Speaker 3>So she got a job at an Arabic language gaming

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<v Speaker 3>company called Tamatan okay I, which is that's fascinating gaming company. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and that lasted a couple of months. Then she moved

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<v Speaker 3>to Brazil, which is the next logical step.

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<v Speaker 2>She's always picking the spots, Brazil, Hong Kong. You're like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>what's next.

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<v Speaker 3>She married a Brazilian entrepreneur that she met at a conference,

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<v Speaker 3>Bruno Desuza. This is what Forbes had to say about

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<v Speaker 3>this quote at a conference. Yeah, Desusa said he had

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<v Speaker 3>a quote intense relationship with Morgan that began during their

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<v Speaker 3>few days at a tech conference, but added that the

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<v Speaker 3>marriage was made intended to secure a visa so she

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<v Speaker 3>could stay in Brazil and work on his pet tracking startup.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait a minute, it's for her to get a visa.

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<v Speaker 2>To get a visa into Brazil, she can work basically

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<v Speaker 2>as his like you know, partner will say his pet

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<v Speaker 2>track tracking. So he's chipping dogs and cats and he's like, baby,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm about to make million off these. She's like, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>chipping by the dozens. And she's like, okay, get me

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<v Speaker 2>like a green card. He's like, I can do better

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<v Speaker 2>than that. But you know what's sad, but you marry me.

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<v Speaker 3>October twenty thirteen marriage had fallen apart, Oh because it

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<v Speaker 3>started so honestly, so earnestly well, and so then what

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<v Speaker 3>does the girl to do? She moved back to California, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>And she said that she came back to the States

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<v Speaker 3>with absolutely nothing. She couch served. She interviewed, as she

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<v Speaker 3>put it, quote CEOs and salespeople. I wanted to know

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<v Speaker 3>how I could solve their biggest problems like maintaining growth

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<v Speaker 3>rates and increasing sales revenue.

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<v Speaker 2>So she went to them and say, what do you need? People?

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<v Speaker 3>Big problems that no one in any business ever talks about, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, increasing sales.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I wish there was like conferences or maybe like

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<v Speaker 2>seminars about increasing sales revenue. That would be amazing, so helpful.

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<v Speaker 3>March twenty fourteen, no one ever. She launched Salesfolk, Ohlkay, Salesfolks.

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<v Speaker 2>Was that supposed to be like a type of her salesforce?

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<v Speaker 2>Like people? Who is an email? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds like if you're trying to say salesforce and

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<v Speaker 3>your throat gets caught and you need water. Salesfolk sales

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<v Speaker 3>or it's an email marketing company, Sure it is. So

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<v Speaker 3>she had just one employee email marketing. It's a spam company. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's like mail chip. But she made up a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of fictitious employee profiles on LinkedIn to make it look

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<v Speaker 3>like she had a bunch of folks working at salesbook.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. I like how tech fraud is always fun and

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<v Speaker 2>like it's never like yeah, that's just scammy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, it's just silly. Like if I did that anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>go yeah, Forbes said quote. Morgan claimed during a Salesfolk

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<v Speaker 3>presentation in twenty seventeen that her company had generated sixty

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<v Speaker 3>four point seven million in revenue during twenty sixteen, according

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<v Speaker 3>to the slides of the presentation scene by Forbes, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's sixty six million. That figure is going to pop

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<v Speaker 3>up again later, yeah again from Forbes quote to former

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<v Speaker 3>sales Folk employees who spoke to Forbes, such a figure

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't credible for a company that seemed to have no

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<v Speaker 3>more than five employees at any time and paid salaries

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<v Speaker 3>between ten thousand dollars and thirty thousand dollars. One former

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<v Speaker 3>intern told Forbes that they were terminated suddenly in twenty

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<v Speaker 3>sixteen because the company couldn't pay them. We don't call

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<v Speaker 3>that money over here in the tech industry in the

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<v Speaker 3>Bay Area, like thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>Thousand is like, this is like a boiler room operation

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<v Speaker 2>where you're just cold calling people and then scamming old

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<v Speaker 2>people out of email, calling it a tech company exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>So this doesn't matter because pretty soon she was writing

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<v Speaker 3>for Forbes and Ink and all these other ways.

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<v Speaker 2>I can give you a little insight on that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you can write for Forbes for free and call yourself

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<v Speaker 2>a contributor, and then they will publish it under Forbes

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<v Speaker 2>and you can say I was published by Forbes. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not the same Forbes magazine. It used to be well,

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<v Speaker 2>there it is.

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<v Speaker 3>So she did that, and then in twenty nineteen, she

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<v Speaker 3>wrote a piece for Forbes called got Burnout. This tech

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<v Speaker 3>ceo thinks you should try wrapping. I think we should

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<v Speaker 3>give ourselves a moment to breathe through that one totally.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's the Goldman Sacks A guy who's like a DJ.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's the Goldman Sacks, one of the big

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<v Speaker 2>finance guys. He spends his weekends like DJ. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>date Jamie Diamond. It's not him.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't tech ceo things you should try rapping.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I write it was him? Whoever? It was? So?

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<v Speaker 3>On her LinkedIn, she said that she had limited working

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<v Speaker 3>proficiency in Arabic, Turkish, and Korean.

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<v Speaker 2>What does that mean? Limited work, limited working proficiency efficiency, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like I can read street.

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<v Speaker 3>Signs, I can hit Google Translate, full professional proficiency in Japanese.

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<v Speaker 2>Full professional fluency in Japanese.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not proficiency in Japanese, elementary proficiency in Cantonese and Russian.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy and got it solves a polyglot, quote native or.

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<v Speaker 3>Bi lingual proficiency in English and Furbish.

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<v Speaker 2>Furbish. Furbish is that like furbaby language.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the language spoken by ferbies, those toys. Oh I

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<v Speaker 3>am not kidding you.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like I wish I were making that up. I

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<v Speaker 3>wish I could go back in time and not know this.

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<v Speaker 3>But like ferbies make that noise.

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<v Speaker 2>Speak like a speaks Hamburglar. He didn't steal them. So

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<v Speaker 2>what else did you like to know?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so we know about Heather. Now let's meet Dutch.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a named Dutch Ilia Dutch Liechtenstein.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, he does Russian named Dutch.

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<v Speaker 3>Dutch was born in Rostov, Russia in nineteen eighty seven.

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<v Speaker 3>He came to the US when he was six, fleeing,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, from religious persecution. He grew up in the

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<v Speaker 3>Chicago area as a young and he was doing some

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<v Speaker 3>minor hacking and a slacken internet fraud on him. He

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<v Speaker 3>went to the University of Wisconsin and he studied psych collegy.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, that's one of those degrees.

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<v Speaker 3>Graduates twenty ten goes to Silicon Valley. Heather. So he

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<v Speaker 3>started a bunch of failed websites and businesses, including.

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot wait for this list.

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<v Speaker 3>Ronpaulfan dot com, which he called the Number one source

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<v Speaker 3>for Ron Paul News. He was also quote an investor

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<v Speaker 3>and a part time mentalist magician Wow, heart time magician magician,

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<v Speaker 3>heart time magician.

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<v Speaker 2>That goes on the list of band names. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>According to Force.

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<v Speaker 2>Part time magician.

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<v Speaker 3>Dutch quote invested in startups alongside heavyweights like Mark Benioff,

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<v Speaker 3>and he launched his own company, Mixed Rank, backed by

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<v Speaker 3>Mark Cuban.

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Benioff ben ceo.

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<v Speaker 3>No, he's the CEO of Salesforce. Like the actual one, sales.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't his kid? The guy did Game of Thrones. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that benfic related.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Benioff comes from like a well to do peninsula fan. Interesting,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's like a tech genius growing up. Like he

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<v Speaker 3>developed as a kid. He was like a teen, he

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<v Speaker 3>was developing all this. He's now worth ten point three billion.

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<v Speaker 2>Good for him and he is.

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<v Speaker 3>It's he's Salesforce, right. They have that giant tower in

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<v Speaker 3>the city with the eye of sore on.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the one that's leaning.

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<v Speaker 3>No, that's the Millennium all right, Salesforce, and I work

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<v Speaker 3>on I use Salesforce in my use it all the

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<v Speaker 3>time life. Yeah, so uh it's I've heard of it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's everywhere, and they take over the city for

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<v Speaker 3>all sorts of top So this guy, he's he's mixing

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<v Speaker 3>with the big dogs, tech Mark Cuban.

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<v Speaker 2>What is he on the He's got sharp elbow, She's

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<v Speaker 2>the shark tank.

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<v Speaker 3>Thing and he's the medicine man. Okay, so there we are.

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<v Speaker 3>We got everybody in this mix. Twenty thirteen, Dutch met Morgan. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>the sky's open. They started dating later that year after

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<v Speaker 3>this is when she got back from Brazil. Okay, pretty

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<v Speaker 3>soon she moved into his high rise apartment in the city.

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<v Speaker 3>Whether that's in the Milie Name Tower, who knows, who knows.

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<v Speaker 3>So they're living the high life. They're traveling to Hong Kong, Panama, Mexico,

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<v Speaker 3>all first class.

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<v Speaker 2>Really yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And then it later came out that in twenty fifteen,

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<v Speaker 3>Dutch quote illicitly obtained and transferred a small amount of

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<v Speaker 3>pay coin, an alternative form of virtual currency. So May

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<v Speaker 3>twenty sixteen said illicit yeah, and illicitly obtained and transferred.

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<v Speaker 2>So stolen crypto. Yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So then like the next year May twenty sixteen, his company,

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<v Speaker 3>Mixed Rank is doing pretty well, but he suddenly quit

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<v Speaker 3>it and then he and Morgan moved to New York.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm starting to guess where the trips stt coming from.

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<v Speaker 3>They got a two bedroom, two bathroom apartment in a

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<v Speaker 3>luxury building on Wall Street. Later, quote, Lixenstein founded a

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<v Speaker 3>blockchain based cybersecurity company called en Pass and an investment

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<v Speaker 3>business called demand Path. In just over a decade, he

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<v Speaker 3>was also investing in startups. Of course, he was, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so let's take a break and we come back. We're

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<v Speaker 3>going to get to my favorite part of this whole mess.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and it's not a Winkle Boss.

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<v Speaker 3>It is not a Winkle Boss.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank god? All right, ZARONO, Hey, howday?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, goodness, all right, So we're getting to my favorite part.

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<v Speaker 3>As I said, yes, this isn't the criminal aspect of

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<v Speaker 3>the story of Heather Morgan, but it is criminally ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, you got me sold.

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<v Speaker 3>So twenty eighteen, things aren't going well at sales twenty eighteen,

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<v Speaker 3>Salesfolk not doing so well.

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<v Speaker 2>Salesforce killing it, gangbusters, Salesfolk.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is what Morgan wrote for Forbes. Quote, I

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<v Speaker 3>had legal threats, learned that dishonest employees that were fudging

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<v Speaker 3>numbers and people I want deeply respected. We're trying to

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<v Speaker 3>bully and shame me into removing content I had published

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<v Speaker 3>that I firmly believe the public needed to see sales folks.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds like in a movie with merph folk and they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to have a salesforce company, you would be called

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<v Speaker 2>sales folks. That's what it sounds like, like a gag

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<v Speaker 2>in a movie.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, children, Exactly, she was. So she's burned out, she's

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<v Speaker 3>stressed out. She has to take time off. Like, what

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<v Speaker 3>do you do when you're feeling stressed out and you

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<v Speaker 3>need to take time off?

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<v Speaker 2>Go as fast as I can?

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<v Speaker 3>You go fast on a bike? Yes, I go in

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<v Speaker 3>the garden. You know whatever. So sometimes though, we get solaced.

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<v Speaker 2>Through inspiration sometimes, yeah, it comes to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Are there artists who inspire you, who refresh you, make

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<v Speaker 3>you want to do something creative?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Give me just one, just one lucial ball.

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<v Speaker 3>Lall makes you, well, what about you? I have no

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<v Speaker 3>inspiration for my life.

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<v Speaker 2>Heather had her own bacon.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Heather had a Lucille ball into Francis bacon. She

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<v Speaker 3>was inspired by Yolandi visser Wait except the South African

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<v Speaker 3>rapper and singer from the rap Raved Group tour.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that like, yeah, Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 3>She's the one who's like super pale and has that

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<v Speaker 3>crazy lopsided bleach blonde haircut that's like a mulled mullet

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<v Speaker 3>with Mark Davis.

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<v Speaker 2>Bangs trailer park fabulous.

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<v Speaker 3>She's out there. Heather wanted to be out there too,

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<v Speaker 3>of course.

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<v Speaker 2>Why not. That's the best place to be. There's so

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<v Speaker 2>few people out there.

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<v Speaker 3>She decided to start writing rap lyrics.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember I wanted to rap.

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<v Speaker 3>She said that one Tuesday morning, will quote completely sober.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, she.

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<v Speaker 3>Had quote this crazy idea for a song that I

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<v Speaker 3>just had to make. And so the song that she

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<v Speaker 3>said she wrote in thirty minutes, right, Prince was quote

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<v Speaker 3>an absurdist stoner story similar to the likes of Harold

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<v Speaker 3>and Kumar go to White Castle, but underneath is an

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<v Speaker 3>allegory of Silicon Valley chalk full of symbolism. Oh my goodness,

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<v Speaker 3>did you know there's symbolism and allegory.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is like Elon Musk's favorite song. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>high in Silicon Valley. That's my life, man.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably She found a producer online fellow by the name

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<v Speaker 3>of Kiesus like Jesus with Yeah, I really feel like

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<v Speaker 3>Keesus took a look at her and thought I could

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<v Speaker 3>take her money.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, this is this is a ripe sucker.

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<v Speaker 3>So Keesus stepped in. He made the beats. That's b

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<v Speaker 3>e ats, not Bublet's not just whipping up borsed in

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<v Speaker 3>the studio place smells like must and work cold faraway spices.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, anyway, so Heather, Yes, Heather said that Keyses

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<v Speaker 3>quote helped her improve her rhythm and flow.

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<v Speaker 2>Her rhythm and rhythm and flow. Yeah, the rapper. But listen, listen, Saren, Saren,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait to hear.

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<v Speaker 3>Wasn't Heather anymore?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, of course not.

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<v Speaker 3>Now she was Razzle Khan what Yeah, and it's not

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<v Speaker 3>con like con artists con con k h a n

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<v Speaker 3>like the Aga Khan or Shaka Khan.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I think it was a nod to her

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<v Speaker 2>time in Turkey, That's what I'm guessing. Yeah, the former Khan,

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<v Speaker 2>the Golden Horde.

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<v Speaker 3>Heather reached her apex form Khan Razzle Khan wow to

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<v Speaker 3>get into characters. She'd sport a look that like it

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<v Speaker 3>looked like if someone in high school, like a high

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<v Speaker 3>school volleyball player in like Middle America Heartland in the nineties,

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<v Speaker 3>decided that she would dress as a hip hopper for

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<v Speaker 3>Spirit Week, like that's she had, Like she has long

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<v Speaker 3>brown hair, and she'd put on a flat billed baseball

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<v Speaker 3>cap and like round lens reflective sunglasses and do like

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<v Speaker 3>the whole what's up gesture really with her elbows raised

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<v Speaker 3>in her hands pointing down, and she'd have like a

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<v Speaker 3>smirk or like pout, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Like full on former milk chicken territories.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so regrettable. Yes, it made me feel bad for her. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>she's like a sunny d commercial, like what's up kids?

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<v Speaker 3>It didn't just like stop with Razzle Khan. Really, she

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<v Speaker 3>had other identities. According to Vanity fair Quote, Morgan, for

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<v Speaker 3>her part, had a half dozen different Utra personalities online.

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<v Speaker 3>She was sometimes Turkish Martha Stewart, who cooked lamb kebabs

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<v Speaker 3>in her kitchen and be razzled her elliptical machine by

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<v Speaker 3>decorating with spray paint and LEDs. She also had an

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<v Speaker 3>alter ego of sorts named Sharlene, who wore an eighties

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<v Speaker 3>era blonde wig and spoke in a Southern accent about

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<v Speaker 3>taking laxatives before going out. So Quote I can look skinny.

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<v Speaker 3>And then there was the ultimate second self, the one,

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<v Speaker 3>the only Razzle Khan.

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<v Speaker 2>So she was just hitting all the buttons. Seems tund

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<v Speaker 2>to see which one hits, basically like, well, which one

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<v Speaker 2>of these personas can I monetize? I'm really hoping it's

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<v Speaker 2>Razzle Khan.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, she called herself the crocodile of Wall Street.

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<v Speaker 2>Makes sense, according to.

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<v Speaker 3>Her website quote, because Raz has anesthesia. Her art often

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<v Speaker 3>resembles something in between an acid trip and a delightful nightmare.

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<v Speaker 3>Definitely not for the feint of heart or easily offended.

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<v Speaker 3>Raz likes to push the limits of what people are

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<v Speaker 3>comfortable with. Her style has often been described as sexy

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<v Speaker 3>horror comedy because of her fondness for combining dark and

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<v Speaker 3>disturbing concepts with dirty jokes and gestures. Just like her fearless,

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<v Speaker 3>entrepreneurial spirit and hacker mindset, Raz shamelessly explores new frontiers

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<v Speaker 3>of art, pushing the limit of what's possible. Whether that

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<v Speaker 3>leads to something wonderful or terrible is unclear. The only

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<v Speaker 3>thing that's certain is it won't be boring or mediocre.

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<v Speaker 2>So she's like the worst version of Brook Candy you

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<v Speaker 2>could possibly have they downtown l a rapper. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>completely a minute.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, let me let me tell you some song titles.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh the song title, yeah, please go fund yourself, Versauce

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<v Speaker 3>bedouin vacuum cleaner, Menace to Society, which I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>cover I think taken getting high in a cemetery, and

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<v Speaker 3>that track has the chorus puff puff pass, I love

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<v Speaker 3>me some gravegrass, getting high in the cemetery, getting high

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<v Speaker 3>in the cemetery.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, here's how Marissa the researcher summarized that too. Okay,

0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:22.280
<v Speaker 3>quote to quote Marissa. This song is a real voyage.

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<v Speaker 3>It starts with the narrator alone in the cemetery one night,

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<v Speaker 3>smoking weed next to her grandpa's grave. When a horse

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<v Speaker 3>propositions her, she declines. Then her grandpa comes up from

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<v Speaker 3>the grave and asks for some weed, but she says

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<v Speaker 3>she doesn't share her weed for free, and she tells

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<v Speaker 3>him to go back to hell unless he has money.

0:24:38.720 --> 0:24:41.000
<v Speaker 3>He offers a magic lamp he won from at a

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<v Speaker 3>turk during a game of backgammon. The narrator is intrigued.

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<v Speaker 3>Hold on, let me let me play something.

0:24:48.400 --> 0:24:50.200
<v Speaker 2>I wone. She managed to get the founder of Turkey

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<v Speaker 2>in there.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me play, Let me play Versachi Bedwin for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Just are you kidding me?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean this is for the sake of journalism.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god, yeah, listens original that song is the Entrepreneurs

0:25:04.440 --> 0:25:05.600
<v Speaker 2>and Trackers.

0:25:08.080 --> 0:25:12.240
<v Speaker 5>Russell KM the better Win come real far, but don't

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<v Speaker 5>know where I'm at, and the crocodile of Wall Street

0:25:16.119 --> 0:25:19.200
<v Speaker 5>over on my fingers and foods on my feet. Always

0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:22.119
<v Speaker 5>see a goat, not a goddamn sheet and email me

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<v Speaker 5>your message on the beat.

0:25:24.240 --> 0:25:31.160
<v Speaker 2>Beat her cadence. Her cadence sounds like someone making fun

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<v Speaker 2>of someone's.

0:25:31.680 --> 0:25:34.040
<v Speaker 3>There's a video. Oh yeah, it totally sounds like someone

0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:37.040
<v Speaker 3>making fun of something. There's a video, and it's just

0:25:37.080 --> 0:25:39.280
<v Speaker 3>like all I wished is that, Like I could run

0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:41.680
<v Speaker 3>up on her like Marshawn Lynch and just tackle her

0:25:42.720 --> 0:25:44.000
<v Speaker 3>tackler in the street anyway.

0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:45.840
<v Speaker 2>I got to a point where Marshall Lynch didn't sually

0:25:45.880 --> 0:25:47.160
<v Speaker 2>tackle people. I know he didn't.

0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:50.520
<v Speaker 3>There one would if he could tackle her, If my

0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:52.760
<v Speaker 3>man Marshawn had to, he would.

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<v Speaker 2>I promise, I.

0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:56.280
<v Speaker 3>Promise you He's not a one trick ponies.

0:25:57.320 --> 0:25:58.920
<v Speaker 2>I would not. You can do anything.

0:25:58.920 --> 0:26:01.960
<v Speaker 3>He can do anything in this world anyway, she's got.

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<v Speaker 2>Your good personal friend, Marshaun Lyunch. You cannot limit him.

0:26:04.480 --> 0:26:06.160
<v Speaker 3>I want him to be friends with me. I want

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<v Speaker 3>him to be my friend, my celebrity friend. I want

0:26:08.240 --> 0:26:11.040
<v Speaker 3>that makeup artist Aaron Parsons to be my celebrity.

0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:12.840
<v Speaker 2>I can't tell you where to find him in Oakland.

0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:15.960
<v Speaker 2>He's often it's the same place. Just go down there.

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<v Speaker 3>Do go down there, Sarah, and I want her friendship

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<v Speaker 3>to blossom organically.

0:26:20.119 --> 0:26:21.959
<v Speaker 2>Saren, divity happened. Don't talk to him, let him talk

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<v Speaker 2>to you, let him approach you.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway. She's got another song, CALIFORNI year rolls.

0:26:28.720 --> 0:26:32.679
<v Speaker 2>Oh my God, where she can make a joke California

0:26:33.160 --> 0:26:34.800
<v Speaker 2>kind of a punk band would make fun of people

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<v Speaker 2>using that title.

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<v Speaker 3>Plains about an Upper east Side bro and basic ass

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<v Speaker 3>white Hose.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're they So she's in on the physician. Yeah,

0:26:42.600 --> 0:26:43.320
<v Speaker 2>heal thyself.

0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:47.359
<v Speaker 3>She refers she's referring to Hose, who listened to the

0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:50.960
<v Speaker 3>Jonas Brothers in one direction. Apparently she made n f

0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:54.920
<v Speaker 3>t s for single for her songs VERSACEI Bedouin and

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<v Speaker 3>Social Distance. Later, the NFTs, which at some point had

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<v Speaker 3>been purchased I'm sure, disappeared from the NFT marketplace that

0:27:02.520 --> 0:27:03.280
<v Speaker 3>they were housed on.

0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:05.560
<v Speaker 2>Gasp, shocked, shocking.

0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:08.880
<v Speaker 3>The art for Versace bed Win the single is so

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<v Speaker 3>so so so, so so so terrible. It has a

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<v Speaker 3>parental advisory icon on it growing up for me, that

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<v Speaker 3>was a seal of approofal. It was a good album.

0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:24.760
<v Speaker 3>It's not so here. I can't fathom buying any n

0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:29.199
<v Speaker 3>f T, but in particular the Versace Bedouin one. So

0:27:29.240 --> 0:27:31.440
<v Speaker 3>we've got Heather flouncing around as Razzle Khan.

0:27:31.760 --> 0:27:35.200
<v Speaker 2>By the way, sounds like, you know, the Academy Awards

0:27:35.960 --> 0:27:37.560
<v Speaker 2>is called the It's called the OSCAR.

0:27:38.040 --> 0:27:43.040
<v Speaker 3>There's also that's like a convention, like a con where

0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:50.880
<v Speaker 3>people get together. She's gonna hack me, dude, probably yeah, anyway, right,

0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:56.200
<v Speaker 3>so she's I have no crypto to steal. I lost

0:27:56.240 --> 0:28:04.240
<v Speaker 3>my Apeslizabeth apes Dutch. This made him love her even more,

0:28:04.320 --> 0:28:06.760
<v Speaker 3>of course, in fact, he wanted to make an honest

0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:07.359
<v Speaker 3>woman of her.

0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:08.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh nice.

0:28:08.320 --> 0:28:11.479
<v Speaker 3>He spent a year planning his marriage proposal. Okay, and

0:28:11.520 --> 0:28:14.040
<v Speaker 3>he hired a marketing agency to put up posters of

0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:18.879
<v Speaker 3>Morgan as Razzle Khan around the city. And then there was,

0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:22.440
<v Speaker 3>as he called it, non cheesy billboard that he put

0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:24.600
<v Speaker 3>up in Times Square with a photo of her taken

0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:26.280
<v Speaker 3>from one of these rap videos.

0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:27.520
<v Speaker 2>Does not sound cheesy at all.

0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:31.120
<v Speaker 3>The words the most brutally honest rap album of the year.

0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:34.960
<v Speaker 3>She was sold. She's like, guess what I do? A

0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 3>hip hip hop I do? It's like the what's his name?

0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:44.120
<v Speaker 3>The comedian that I love? Who does the Hannibal Burris?

0:28:44.160 --> 0:28:44.360
<v Speaker 4>Oh?

0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:47.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, who does eighties rap? Find it?

0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:50.360
<v Speaker 3>Look it up online. It's amazing anyway, So she's sold.

0:28:50.640 --> 0:28:52.960
<v Speaker 3>The couple officially engaged in twenty nineteen.

0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:55.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh, congratulations, so happy for the family. Yeah, Sarah, listen,

0:28:56.040 --> 0:29:02.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm glat to took each other off the market. Oh no, no, yes, yes, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>I want you to picture it. It's November thirteenth, twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty one. You are at Plaia Studios in Culver City, California.

0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:16.080
<v Speaker 3>The venue's website describes it as owned by bicoastal music

0:29:16.120 --> 0:29:20.720
<v Speaker 3>production company Mophonics. Plia Studios is a unique and creative

0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:23.360
<v Speaker 3>venue nestled in Culver City on the West side of

0:29:23.400 --> 0:29:27.240
<v Speaker 3>Los Angeles. Curated with a mix of modern, industrial and

0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:31.880
<v Speaker 3>eclectic design, the space breathes life into its former warehouse

0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:34.959
<v Speaker 3>bits like you don't have to imagine it. Those are

0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:39.000
<v Speaker 3>and you are there totally, and you're there because you've

0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:41.840
<v Speaker 3>been invited to a wedding there, oh lord, not really

0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:44.480
<v Speaker 3>invited by the couple. You're the plus one of the

0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:47.720
<v Speaker 3>sound bath practitioner. You've been dating for a couple months.

0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:51.680
<v Speaker 3>She goes by the name Sparkleshot, but you know her

0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:53.800
<v Speaker 3>government name is Melanie and she's from Encino.

0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:55.120
<v Speaker 2>She knows me as mister Andre.

0:29:55.280 --> 0:29:59.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well that's right. You're the son of a venture capitalist,

0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:02.120
<v Speaker 3>of course, and you're working for your dad. You recognize

0:30:02.120 --> 0:30:05.000
<v Speaker 3>some of the guests, people from tech startups in Venice,

0:30:05.440 --> 0:30:07.880
<v Speaker 3>some of sparkleshots pals from Burning.

0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:09.480
<v Speaker 2>Man mm hm and Silicon Beach.

0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:12.960
<v Speaker 3>That you are looking sharp in a great bespoke suit.

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Sure, look at me, and not in.

0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:17.960
<v Speaker 3>Like a pooky tell them what you're wearing way, but

0:30:18.000 --> 0:30:21.200
<v Speaker 3>in a way that even like your cologne smells like wealth.

0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:23.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, feel good.

0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:26.640
<v Speaker 3>You're not comfortable in this crowd, not at all. So

0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:30.600
<v Speaker 3>as down tempo pseudo techno plays in the background, making

0:30:30.600 --> 0:30:32.959
<v Speaker 3>you feel like you're shopping at H and M or something.

0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:36.520
<v Speaker 3>A woman comes around and passes out gold spray painted

0:30:36.560 --> 0:30:39.840
<v Speaker 3>banana leaves to the wedding guests wave them at Morgan

0:30:39.880 --> 0:30:42.840
<v Speaker 3>when she comes in. Okay, guys. She then passes you

0:30:42.840 --> 0:30:46.720
<v Speaker 3>a handful of Rasulkhan stickers. Suddenly there's a thumping bead.

0:30:46.800 --> 0:30:49.440
<v Speaker 3>The music has picked up tempo and has a sort

0:30:49.480 --> 0:30:52.400
<v Speaker 3>of Middle Eastern vibe to it. There's a commotion at

0:30:52.400 --> 0:30:54.760
<v Speaker 3>the back of the room and you turn around. There,

0:30:55.000 --> 0:31:01.960
<v Speaker 3>being carried on a Moroccan pelican is Heather Morgan. She's

0:31:02.000 --> 0:31:05.240
<v Speaker 3>wearing a golden crown and some sort of beaded headdress.

0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:09.080
<v Speaker 3>The crowd waves their palm leaves at her as she passes.

0:31:09.680 --> 0:31:12.760
<v Speaker 3>You've never met her, nor seen her, and now you're

0:31:12.800 --> 0:31:15.920
<v Speaker 3>stuck by one thing. She looks like a total dork.

0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:19.560
<v Speaker 3>Like there's really no other way to put it. She

0:31:19.640 --> 0:31:22.040
<v Speaker 3>looks like a nerdy kid in middle school who stole

0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:24.600
<v Speaker 3>some raver's luggage and is now wearing about three other

0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:25.440
<v Speaker 3>outfits at once.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you record my internal modelogues?

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm giving you, especially those round glasses with

0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:33.640
<v Speaker 3>the amber tinted lenses. The ceremony is a strange blur,

0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:36.840
<v Speaker 3>and you've survived to the reception. The bride, who you

0:31:36.880 --> 0:31:40.960
<v Speaker 3>hadn't realized had disappeared, emerges from a side room. The

0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:44.960
<v Speaker 3>DJ announces People of Earth, I give you Razzle Khan

0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:49.960
<v Speaker 3>performing her new single Moon and Stars. The bride takes

0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:53.680
<v Speaker 3>the stage and starts uncomfortably wrapping. The younger folks in

0:31:53.720 --> 0:31:56.920
<v Speaker 3>the crowd do that faux social media inspired party dance

0:31:56.960 --> 0:31:59.600
<v Speaker 3>in their seats, arms in the air, and poudy faces

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:03.120
<v Speaker 3>and faked excitement on their faces. The older folks in

0:32:03.160 --> 0:32:07.360
<v Speaker 3>the crowd, presumably the bride and groom's families, looked totally confused.

0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:11.000
<v Speaker 3>They've looked confused the whole time. The performance ends and

0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:13.640
<v Speaker 3>the groom takes the stage. He tells the crowd to

0:32:13.640 --> 0:32:16.800
<v Speaker 3>get ready to have their minds blown again. You aren't

0:32:16.840 --> 0:32:20.000
<v Speaker 3>sure you're ready for that. The groom, Dutch you've heard

0:32:20.080 --> 0:32:22.440
<v Speaker 3>him called, is wearing a black suit and a black shirt.

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:24.600
<v Speaker 3>He tells the crowd he's a magician.

0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:26.400
<v Speaker 2>You roll your eyes.

0:32:26.840 --> 0:32:33.080
<v Speaker 3>Your date is totally into this, loving every second. Dutch

0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:37.000
<v Speaker 3>tells the guests to recall a fond memory of Heather.

0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:40.760
<v Speaker 3>He then slowly makes his way around the room, guessing

0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:43.560
<v Speaker 3>what moment was in their head. He gets a couple

0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:47.000
<v Speaker 3>of them wrong, then correctly guesses a woman's memory. He's

0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:52.320
<v Speaker 3>really good. Your date says you. Sigh. So we've met

0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:55.640
<v Speaker 3>these characters. We know they're weird and techy and shady.

0:32:56.400 --> 0:32:58.240
<v Speaker 3>Where do they have the money for all this stuff?

0:32:58.240 --> 0:32:58.960
<v Speaker 3>This lifestyle?

0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, I'm waiting for my uber outside. Worry to

0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:04.120
<v Speaker 2>they elizabeth money?

0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:08.120
<v Speaker 3>Look at me? What's this podcast called Ridiculous cross that's right, baby,

0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:09.240
<v Speaker 3>let's get criming.

0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:10.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh you know it.

0:33:10.760 --> 0:33:13.560
<v Speaker 3>August second, twenty sixteen. We're going back in time.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:19.080
<v Speaker 3>An unknown hacker uncovered a flaw in the code for bitfinex.

0:33:19.680 --> 0:33:21.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, okay, yeah.

0:33:20.920 --> 0:33:23.800
<v Speaker 3>A cryptocurrency exchange exchange that was like, is it bit

0:33:24.000 --> 0:33:27.280
<v Speaker 3>bit finex, it's bitfinex, h whatever.

0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:29.840
<v Speaker 2>So go there and buy and trade, yeah, crypto.

0:33:30.320 --> 0:33:34.680
<v Speaker 3>This unknown hacker stole one hundred and nineteen thousand, seven

0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:39.080
<v Speaker 3>hundred and fifty four bit coins. Oh wow, Yeah, from

0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:43.480
<v Speaker 3>various user's wallets. So this is twenty sixteen. That was

0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:48.600
<v Speaker 3>about half of bitfinex's inventory. Ooh, and the coins, nearly

0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:51.840
<v Speaker 3>one hundred and twenty thousand of them, were worth seventy

0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:53.160
<v Speaker 3>two million dollars at this time.

0:33:53.320 --> 0:33:55.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.

0:33:55.520 --> 0:34:00.000
<v Speaker 3>As with cryptocurrencies, the value later ballooned into billions. Yes, yeah,

0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:03.880
<v Speaker 3>So the breach in the code quote triggered a slump

0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:07.760
<v Speaker 3>in bitcoin prices. It dropped twenty three after the news

0:34:07.800 --> 0:34:10.960
<v Speaker 3>broke Oh damn yeah. At some point, the stolen bitcoins

0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:14.520
<v Speaker 3>were transferred into a digital wallet, a wallet belonging to

0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:21.080
<v Speaker 3>none other than Ilia Dutch Liechtenstein, not Dutch la. For

0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:24.600
<v Speaker 3>six months, the coins didn't move. This was because more

0:34:24.680 --> 0:34:27.520
<v Speaker 3>legitimate sites that accepted bitcoin had been warned not to

0:34:27.600 --> 0:34:31.360
<v Speaker 3>use the stolen tokens. But in early twenty seventeen, according

0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:35.360
<v Speaker 3>to Vanity Fair Quote, software security companies noticed that someone

0:34:35.440 --> 0:34:38.400
<v Speaker 3>was laundering some of that stolen crypto through a darknet

0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:42.000
<v Speaker 3>marketplace called Alpha Bat, one of the world's largest sellers

0:34:42.000 --> 0:34:47.760
<v Speaker 3>of feentanyl and heroin. Alpha Bay was already under investigations.

0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:49.840
<v Speaker 2>Sure they were by multiple.

0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:55.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, international authorities for other matters, and they were shut

0:34:55.560 --> 0:34:59.240
<v Speaker 3>down by police later in twenty seven which I yes.

0:34:59.360 --> 0:35:03.160
<v Speaker 3>In the course of that investigation, the FEDS arrested Alphabat's

0:35:03.160 --> 0:35:06.680
<v Speaker 3>founder and went through the servers. This will become importantly

0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:10.520
<v Speaker 3>so because the bitcoins were all stolen Dutch and old Razzlekhan,

0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:13.480
<v Speaker 3>they needed to launder them. So, according to the New

0:35:13.560 --> 0:35:17.800
<v Speaker 3>York Times quote, the maneuvers, according to prosecutors included opening

0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:21.600
<v Speaker 3>accounts under false names, moving stolen funds in small sums

0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:25.480
<v Speaker 3>in thousands of transactions to avoid detection, using computers to

0:35:25.520 --> 0:35:30.080
<v Speaker 3>automate their transactions, spreading funds across virtual currency exchanges, and

0:35:30.160 --> 0:35:34.200
<v Speaker 3>using US business accounts to obscure their illegal activity. Despite

0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:38.520
<v Speaker 3>their efforts, that activity sometimes drew the scrutiny of cryptocurrency exchanges.

0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:41.640
<v Speaker 3>In one instance, the couple used false identities to open

0:35:41.760 --> 0:35:45.080
<v Speaker 3>seven accounts on a single exchange, only to have them

0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:48.080
<v Speaker 3>frozen when the identities could not be verified. The accounts

0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:50.640
<v Speaker 3>held over one hundred and sixty thousand dollars in assets.

0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:55.080
<v Speaker 3>They nonetheless used cryptocurrency housed at another exchange to buy

0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:58.640
<v Speaker 3>prepaid debit cards. One five hundred dollars card bought from

0:35:58.640 --> 0:36:01.439
<v Speaker 3>Walmart was used to pay for Uber Andhotels dot Com

0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:03.840
<v Speaker 3>purchases and to buy a PlayStation.

0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:06.399
<v Speaker 2>Gotta get that place, got to get your place.

0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:09.759
<v Speaker 3>So you know they're gamers too, hackers and gamers. So,

0:36:09.880 --> 0:36:14.439
<v Speaker 3>according to the government's later press release, over the last

0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:17.840
<v Speaker 3>five years, approximately twenty five thousand of those stolen bitcoin

0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:22.479
<v Speaker 3>were transferred out of Liechtenstein's wallet via a complicated money

0:36:22.520 --> 0:36:25.440
<v Speaker 3>laundering process that ended with some of the stolen funds

0:36:25.520 --> 0:36:29.680
<v Speaker 3>being deposited into financial accounts controlled by Lichtenstein and Morgan.

0:36:30.120 --> 0:36:33.200
<v Speaker 3>The remainder of the stolen funds, comprising more than ninety

0:36:33.239 --> 0:36:37.600
<v Speaker 3>four thousand bitcoin, remained in the wallet used to receive

0:36:37.680 --> 0:36:40.719
<v Speaker 3>and store the illegal proceeds from the hack man.

0:36:40.800 --> 0:36:44.680
<v Speaker 2>If they could have gotten away with this billions, they

0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:47.840
<v Speaker 2>could have bought themselves all the protection of some foreign countries.

0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:52.040
<v Speaker 3>Totally, totally. So they also bought seventy gold coins and

0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:57.520
<v Speaker 3>Heather buried them actual gold coins, physical yeah something finally,

0:36:57.560 --> 0:36:58.080
<v Speaker 3>not digital.

0:36:58.160 --> 0:36:58.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah something real.

0:36:59.120 --> 0:37:01.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's that was worth tens of thousands of dollars.

0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:04.239
<v Speaker 3>They got all those gift cards from big stores that

0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:06.400
<v Speaker 3>could be converted into air miles.

0:37:07.320 --> 0:37:08.520
<v Speaker 2>Thing I don't understand.

0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:11.759
<v Speaker 3>And they also had you know, salesfolk.

0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:16.120
<v Speaker 2>Of course, Elizabeth use that to like get.

0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:20.279
<v Speaker 3>An institutional bitcoin account. Let's take a break. When we

0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:23.279
<v Speaker 3>come back, we're going to continue on this crypto journey

0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:46.839
<v Speaker 3>with Razul Khan and Dutch. All right, so we're back,

0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:50.120
<v Speaker 3>and Dutch Man, every.

0:37:50.080 --> 0:37:52.319
<v Speaker 2>Crazy kid is going to do. I know, well, who

0:37:52.360 --> 0:37:53.399
<v Speaker 2>are they going to scam next?

0:37:53.440 --> 0:37:56.759
<v Speaker 3>Those They got all this bitcoin and they're filtering it

0:37:56.920 --> 0:38:01.319
<v Speaker 3>and laundering it and doing Yeah, well, they lied to

0:38:01.360 --> 0:38:03.879
<v Speaker 3>their accountant about how they got it. Of course, they

0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:06.520
<v Speaker 3>said that they bought one hundred and twenty in May

0:38:06.600 --> 0:38:09.600
<v Speaker 3>of twenty eleven for three dollars and sixty four cents each,

0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:11.320
<v Speaker 3>so which.

0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:13.480
<v Speaker 2>You know is probably was right at the time. Yeah, yeah,

0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:15.279
<v Speaker 2>this whole time, my friends who bought it for like

0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:17.680
<v Speaker 2>a dollar. Yeah, back of the day, I don't even think.

0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:22.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, they're kadrillionaires. Now they're living it up. This

0:38:22.160 --> 0:38:25.319
<v Speaker 3>whole time they did all that first class travel. In

0:38:25.400 --> 0:38:28.440
<v Speaker 3>twenty nineteen, they took a month long trip to Ukraine,

0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:31.080
<v Speaker 3>and while they were there, they had a bunch of

0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:35.960
<v Speaker 3>packages delivered from the dark web. That's simcards, bank accounts,

0:38:36.040 --> 0:38:39.520
<v Speaker 3>fake Ukrainian passports, you know, so it's like me getting

0:38:39.560 --> 0:38:44.640
<v Speaker 3>Amazon packages. They're getting like return addressed dark web. All

0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:47.120
<v Speaker 3>the travel was actually away for Dutch to meet with

0:38:47.120 --> 0:38:50.760
<v Speaker 3>people who would convert the bitcoin into government issued currency

0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:55.000
<v Speaker 3>and then he'd deposit it into Russian and Ukrainian bank That's.

0:38:54.880 --> 0:38:56.960
<v Speaker 2>What I was waiting for. Yeah, I figure he had

0:38:56.960 --> 0:39:00.080
<v Speaker 2>that set up from the get So there.

0:38:59.920 --> 0:39:07.399
<v Speaker 3>Is in Ukraine they're laundering money. Yes, the authorities are

0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:11.400
<v Speaker 3>closing in. There was that rate of alphabet like I

0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:16.520
<v Speaker 3>said that Dark Web drugged in. They the Feds, they

0:39:16.560 --> 0:39:18.399
<v Speaker 3>get the servers on that and they could see who

0:39:18.440 --> 0:39:20.799
<v Speaker 3>was trying to cash out the stolen bitcoin. Eventually they

0:39:20.800 --> 0:39:23.719
<v Speaker 3>had a suspect Dutch. Some of the accounts that he

0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:26.040
<v Speaker 3>was using to launder money even used his real name,

0:39:27.000 --> 0:39:29.719
<v Speaker 3>and on occasion he used his real driver's license to

0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:32.880
<v Speaker 3>verify his identity and his own home address for a

0:39:32.880 --> 0:39:33.520
<v Speaker 3>gold trade.

0:39:33.560 --> 0:39:35.719
<v Speaker 2>He just didn't have the time. Was he's a busy

0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:37.240
<v Speaker 2>life type.

0:39:37.360 --> 0:39:40.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. To really get him and to understand where the

0:39:40.600 --> 0:39:43.240
<v Speaker 3>rest of the not yet laundered bitcoins were. The FEDS

0:39:43.400 --> 0:39:47.200
<v Speaker 3>needed to get into his encrypted cloud storage account, I

0:39:47.200 --> 0:39:51.840
<v Speaker 3>bet and so basically, where's your drammax? So in later

0:39:51.920 --> 0:39:55.320
<v Speaker 3>court docs quote in twenty twenty one, the agents obtained

0:39:55.320 --> 0:39:57.520
<v Speaker 3>a copy of the contents of the cloud storage account

0:39:57.560 --> 0:40:00.719
<v Speaker 3>pursuant to a search warrant. Upon reviewing the contents of

0:40:00.760 --> 0:40:05.080
<v Speaker 3>the account, agents confirmed that the account was used by Lichenstein. However,

0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:07.880
<v Speaker 3>a subset of files were secured with a strong encryption

0:40:07.960 --> 0:40:11.319
<v Speaker 3>algorithm and a lengthy password. A password of that length

0:40:11.320 --> 0:40:14.480
<v Speaker 3>would typically prevent a well resourced attacker from accessing the

0:40:14.480 --> 0:40:20.280
<v Speaker 3>file within his lifetime. November twenty twenty one, a financial

0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:24.239
<v Speaker 3>services company accidentally sent a notice to Dutch letting him

0:40:24.239 --> 0:40:26.000
<v Speaker 3>know that he and Heather were the targets of a

0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:26.800
<v Speaker 3>criminal probe.

0:40:27.040 --> 0:40:28.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh and whoops.

0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:31.560
<v Speaker 3>They read the letter and immediately they tossed a computer

0:40:31.640 --> 0:40:34.400
<v Speaker 3>down a garbage chute, hoping it would stall investigators. But

0:40:34.440 --> 0:40:37.279
<v Speaker 3>I don't think it works that way. No. Yeah, So

0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:40.320
<v Speaker 3>on the morning of January fifth, twenty twenty two, agents

0:40:40.320 --> 0:40:44.719
<v Speaker 3>from the FBI IRS Criminal Investigation DHS they arrive at

0:40:44.719 --> 0:40:46.359
<v Speaker 3>the couple's apartment with a search warrant.

0:40:46.360 --> 0:40:47.799
<v Speaker 2>And they wouldn't have needed the search warrant for what

0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:49.160
<v Speaker 2>they threw in the trash because once you put it

0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:51.600
<v Speaker 2>in the trash, it becomes basically public property. So that's

0:40:51.600 --> 0:40:52.160
<v Speaker 2>like the whole thing.

0:40:52.239 --> 0:40:54.560
<v Speaker 3>Unless they thought, well, we'll throw a dummy computer down

0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:56.120
<v Speaker 3>the chute and it'll take them all this time to

0:40:56.120 --> 0:41:00.640
<v Speaker 3>look at it. So Heather's parents were visiting from Californy,

0:41:01.520 --> 0:41:05.239
<v Speaker 3>so we have to tame a family in town. She

0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:08.239
<v Speaker 3>asked the fedes if she and her parents and I

0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:10.360
<v Speaker 3>feel like she would be the dork to refer to

0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:13.399
<v Speaker 3>her to them as the rents. Yeah, could they leave

0:41:13.400 --> 0:41:15.080
<v Speaker 3>the apartment during the search.

0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:17.400
<v Speaker 2>And so she has as are in town for a

0:41:17.400 --> 0:41:18.040
<v Speaker 2>little while, you.

0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:20.640
<v Speaker 3>Got to go with the rents. She also asked if

0:41:20.640 --> 0:41:23.879
<v Speaker 3>she could bring their Bengal cat, Clarissa, who by the way,

0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:27.080
<v Speaker 3>had her own Instagram account, and they walked the cat

0:41:27.080 --> 0:41:31.240
<v Speaker 3>and the cat stroller outside because Clarissa had been hiding

0:41:31.320 --> 0:41:34.880
<v Speaker 3>under a bed. Instinct so the agent's like, yes, you

0:41:34.920 --> 0:41:37.640
<v Speaker 3>can get your parents and Clarissa out of here. But then,

0:41:37.680 --> 0:41:40.960
<v Speaker 3>according to court documents, quote, while Morgan was crouched next

0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:43.720
<v Speaker 3>to the bed calling to the cat, she positioned herself

0:41:43.760 --> 0:41:45.960
<v Speaker 3>next to the nightstand, which was still holding one of

0:41:45.960 --> 0:41:48.480
<v Speaker 3>her phones. She then reached up and grabbed her cell

0:41:48.520 --> 0:41:51.160
<v Speaker 3>phone from the nightstand and repeatedly hit the lock button.

0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:53.680
<v Speaker 3>It appeared Morgan was attempting to lock the phone in

0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:55.520
<v Speaker 3>a way that would make it more difficult for law

0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:58.799
<v Speaker 3>enforcement to search the phone's contents. Law enforcement had to

0:41:58.800 --> 0:42:00.000
<v Speaker 3>wrest the phone from her hand.

0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:04.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, they thought over that, they thought, Yeah.

0:42:04.120 --> 0:42:05.399
<v Speaker 3>So they go through this raid.

0:42:05.480 --> 0:42:06.920
<v Speaker 2>I thought they wouldn't set them down at all.

0:42:07.239 --> 0:42:10.719
<v Speaker 3>Who knows, they find forty thousand dollars in cash, a

0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:14.279
<v Speaker 3>bunch of other foreign currency. They found a bag with

0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:17.960
<v Speaker 3>the words burner phone written on it. Oh yeah, God,

0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:22.120
<v Speaker 3>they find like fifty different tablets, phones, other electronics. Two

0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:24.040
<v Speaker 3>partially hollowed out books.

0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:27.319
<v Speaker 2>Fake id's written on it, followed up books is nice.

0:42:27.360 --> 0:42:29.000
<v Speaker 2>I gotta admit it's pretty qu if you hollow it

0:42:29.040 --> 0:42:29.960
<v Speaker 2>out yourself.

0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:32.520
<v Speaker 3>I doubt it Dutch. He also had a folder on

0:42:32.520 --> 0:42:37.600
<v Speaker 3>his computer called personas that had like bio information and

0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:42.200
<v Speaker 3>other identification of Russian and Ukrainian men and women. And

0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:45.200
<v Speaker 3>then there was a document on his computer called Ukraine

0:42:45.320 --> 0:42:48.959
<v Speaker 3>Underscore Package which was written in Russian and was how

0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:51.840
<v Speaker 3>like it was a document about how to anonymously receive

0:42:51.840 --> 0:42:56.280
<v Speaker 3>a package in Ukraine. And oh, they also found evidence

0:42:56.320 --> 0:42:59.560
<v Speaker 3>of tracking info for various shipments arriving in Ukraine at

0:42:59.560 --> 0:43:01.680
<v Speaker 3>the same time that they were there. So they kept

0:43:01.680 --> 0:43:04.359
<v Speaker 3>all the tracking information at long after they get home.

0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:06.160
<v Speaker 2>They kept so much paperwork.

0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:12.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, everything like definitively ties that online wallet connected with

0:43:12.400 --> 0:43:16.880
<v Speaker 3>the Bitfinex A lawyer them, Yeah, so they hired a

0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:19.120
<v Speaker 3>couple of lawyers. They hired the bit lawyers, and then

0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:21.360
<v Speaker 3>they also just went ahead and renewed their lease on

0:43:21.400 --> 0:43:23.600
<v Speaker 3>their apartment for another year, like they're never going to

0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:25.160
<v Speaker 3>get us. We have enough money.

0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:28.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness. G. K. Chesterton is so right.

0:43:28.640 --> 0:43:32.960
<v Speaker 3>So January thirty first, twenty twenty two, law enforcement was

0:43:33.080 --> 0:43:35.560
<v Speaker 3>able to decrypt some of the key files in the

0:43:35.600 --> 0:43:37.560
<v Speaker 3>cloud storage I see you were able to do it.

0:43:37.960 --> 0:43:38.920
<v Speaker 2>Bet on them every time.

0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:43.080
<v Speaker 3>It had a list of two thousand virtual currency addresses

0:43:43.600 --> 0:43:48.120
<v Speaker 3>along with corresponding private keys, and almost all of the

0:43:48.160 --> 0:43:52.040
<v Speaker 3>addresses were linked to the bitfinex heist. So there it is,

0:43:53.480 --> 0:43:55.120
<v Speaker 3>and so then it also said this is what was

0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:58.120
<v Speaker 3>in the court documents quote. The encrypted area within the

0:43:58.120 --> 0:44:01.120
<v Speaker 3>cloud storage account also held a parent wallet files for

0:44:01.160 --> 0:44:04.479
<v Speaker 3>additional cryptocurrency that the government has not yet been able

0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:08.319
<v Speaker 3>to seize. Several of these files include variations of the

0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:12.320
<v Speaker 3>word dirty in their names, such as dirty underscore wallet

0:44:12.320 --> 0:44:15.879
<v Speaker 3>dot dat. The account also contained a folder holding data

0:44:15.880 --> 0:44:19.560
<v Speaker 3>files for numerous financial institutions, many in Russia, with notes

0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:22.920
<v Speaker 3>that appear to be reconnaissance of potential laundering avenues. The

0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:27.440
<v Speaker 3>account additionally included a text file named passport underscore ideas

0:44:28.000 --> 0:44:31.160
<v Speaker 3>that included links to different darknet vendor accounts that appeared

0:44:31.200 --> 0:44:34.040
<v Speaker 3>to be offering passports or identification cards for sale.

0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:35.680
<v Speaker 2>Ohs it just.

0:44:35.640 --> 0:44:40.280
<v Speaker 3>Took notes, you know, so they didn't they didn't prove

0:44:40.360 --> 0:44:43.600
<v Speaker 3>that it was Dutch who hacked bitfinex, just that he'd

0:44:43.600 --> 0:44:44.480
<v Speaker 3>gotten all the bitcoins.

0:44:44.560 --> 0:44:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can see that. February.

0:44:47.080 --> 0:44:51.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, February eighth, twenty twenty two, Dutch and Razlkhan, they

0:44:51.080 --> 0:44:54.520
<v Speaker 3>were arrested, charged with conspiracy to commit money laundering and

0:44:54.600 --> 0:44:58.640
<v Speaker 3>conspiracy to defraud the United States. The government sees ninety

0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:01.960
<v Speaker 3>four thousand, six hundred thirty six bitcoin that at that

0:45:02.080 --> 0:45:05.160
<v Speaker 3>point February eighth, twenty twenty two, was worth three point

0:45:05.360 --> 0:45:08.440
<v Speaker 3>six billion. Wow, that they hadn't laundered yet.

0:45:08.480 --> 0:45:11.200
<v Speaker 2>And now the people who had that stolen, do they

0:45:11.239 --> 0:45:13.399
<v Speaker 2>get that back at the amount that it was worth

0:45:13.440 --> 0:45:15.200
<v Speaker 2>when it was stolen? Amount they get it?

0:45:15.480 --> 0:45:16.880
<v Speaker 3>I think they get it at the coin?

0:45:17.080 --> 0:45:19.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Did they get to get their number of coins back? Right?

0:45:19.360 --> 0:45:20.960
<v Speaker 2>And then if the value goes up, it just happens

0:45:20.960 --> 0:45:23.000
<v Speaker 2>to go up. Yeah. Wow.

0:45:23.040 --> 0:45:26.080
<v Speaker 3>Twenty five thousand of the original coins were still missing,

0:45:26.360 --> 0:45:29.440
<v Speaker 3>which the government figured they'd already been laundered. Yes.

0:45:29.600 --> 0:45:29.839
<v Speaker 2>Nice.

0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:33.200
<v Speaker 3>And since the initial three point six billion dollars in

0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:37.080
<v Speaker 3>assets was received, then the DOJ recovered four hundred and

0:45:37.120 --> 0:45:40.000
<v Speaker 3>seventy five million more, and then the couple agreed to

0:45:40.040 --> 0:45:44.640
<v Speaker 3>forfeit seventy two million dollars. By the time they were arrested,

0:45:44.680 --> 0:45:47.880
<v Speaker 3>the value of the total stolen bitcoin from the original

0:45:47.880 --> 0:45:51.960
<v Speaker 3>theft was more than five billion with a B dollars.

0:45:52.120 --> 0:45:54.640
<v Speaker 2>They stole five billion dollars of imaginary money.

0:45:54.760 --> 0:45:57.440
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, I told you it was ridiculous.

0:45:57.520 --> 0:45:58.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh my yes.

0:45:59.080 --> 0:46:01.719
<v Speaker 3>In the press release, government called it the largest financial

0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:02.880
<v Speaker 3>seizure in US history.

0:46:03.120 --> 0:46:03.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

0:46:03.760 --> 0:46:06.359
<v Speaker 3>Dutchess bail was set at five million, and he had

0:46:06.360 --> 0:46:09.680
<v Speaker 3>his parents home posted to security. Heathers was set at

0:46:09.680 --> 0:46:14.080
<v Speaker 3>three million. Dutchess lawyer argued that he wasn't a flight

0:46:14.160 --> 0:46:18.360
<v Speaker 3>risk because his family had left Russia for religious persecution reasons,

0:46:19.040 --> 0:46:21.440
<v Speaker 3>and then the government pointed out that in twenty nineteen

0:46:21.520 --> 0:46:22.520
<v Speaker 3>he got himself.

0:46:22.280 --> 0:46:24.480
<v Speaker 2>A Russian passport so he can travel and.

0:46:24.400 --> 0:46:27.480
<v Speaker 3>Conveniently, Russia does not extradite its own citizens.

0:46:27.560 --> 0:46:29.600
<v Speaker 2>Yes, very right, famously, So.

0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:32.880
<v Speaker 3>The lawyers argued that the couple, though they weren't a

0:46:32.880 --> 0:46:35.800
<v Speaker 3>flight risk because they also had recently had some embryos

0:46:35.840 --> 0:46:38.640
<v Speaker 3>frozen in planning to try IVF.

0:46:38.400 --> 0:46:39.880
<v Speaker 2>And they renewed their lease.

0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:41.840
<v Speaker 3>And they renewed the lease, so we aren't going anywhere

0:46:42.200 --> 0:46:46.120
<v Speaker 3>they're staying. Yeah, and then, in true government fashion, prosecutors

0:46:46.160 --> 0:46:51.160
<v Speaker 3>pointed to a Razzlecon lyric as proof of her technical expertise. Yes,

0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:55.279
<v Speaker 3>spearfish your password, all your funds transferred. They're like, she

0:46:55.400 --> 0:46:56.160
<v Speaker 3>put it in the wrap.

0:46:56.320 --> 0:46:59.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, come on, young thug, take notes.

0:46:59.719 --> 0:47:04.000
<v Speaker 3>So Dutch stayed in custody. Morgan was later allowed to

0:47:04.040 --> 0:47:07.239
<v Speaker 3>stand her house arrest in the apartment on bond with

0:47:07.360 --> 0:47:13.120
<v Speaker 3>electronic monitoring. September of twenty twenty two, Razzlecon tweeted about

0:47:13.160 --> 0:47:15.719
<v Speaker 3>looking for remote work for B to B tech companies

0:47:16.480 --> 0:47:17.960
<v Speaker 3>like business to business.

0:47:18.160 --> 0:47:19.560
<v Speaker 2>Anyone's like, yes, we totally were.

0:47:19.800 --> 0:47:21.040
<v Speaker 3>Apparently she found something.

0:47:21.160 --> 0:47:21.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh.

0:47:21.960 --> 0:47:25.600
<v Speaker 3>In January twenty twenty three, the judge approved that she

0:47:25.680 --> 0:47:28.840
<v Speaker 3>could work in her employer's office on Monday, Wednesday Friday

0:47:28.840 --> 0:47:30.360
<v Speaker 3>from ten am to eight thirty pm.

0:47:30.400 --> 0:47:32.239
<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine being a parent saying this news and being like.

0:47:32.200 --> 0:47:35.239
<v Speaker 3>Oh, so you did get a job, trying to go

0:47:35.320 --> 0:47:39.359
<v Speaker 3>back to the office like you have an excuse. They

0:47:39.360 --> 0:47:41.200
<v Speaker 3>said that she could also have a computer and a

0:47:41.200 --> 0:47:43.680
<v Speaker 3>smartphone that so that she could work from home, but

0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:45.879
<v Speaker 3>she would be monitored and was not allowed to make

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<v Speaker 3>any crypto transactions. Naturally, Dutch August twenty twenty three, he

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<v Speaker 3>pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit money laundering. She pleaded

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<v Speaker 3>guilty to one count of money laundering conspiracy in one

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<v Speaker 3>count of conspiracy to defraud the US.

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<v Speaker 2>They hardly more charges.

0:48:00.840 --> 0:48:04.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they weren't charged with the actual hack, but Dutch

0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:06.120
<v Speaker 3>admitted in court that he was the one who did it,

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<v Speaker 3>and according to Bloomberg, he later said he had quote

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<v Speaker 3>access to bitfinex's systems for several months and also hacked

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<v Speaker 3>into individual accounts at other crypto exchanges such as coinbase

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<v Speaker 3>and Kraken. Once he gained access to bitfinex, Liechtenstein said

0:48:24.719 --> 0:48:27.000
<v Speaker 3>he came up with a way to save customer passwords

0:48:27.040 --> 0:48:29.680
<v Speaker 3>so he could use them to access accounts at other exchanges.

0:48:30.200 --> 0:48:33.239
<v Speaker 3>In some cases, he deposited money into crypto exchanges by

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<v Speaker 3>using accounts in the name of other individuals that he

0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:38.759
<v Speaker 3>purchased on the darknet. And he said he did it

0:48:38.840 --> 0:48:41.400
<v Speaker 3>because quote, at the time, my business was struggling and

0:48:41.440 --> 0:48:44.879
<v Speaker 3>I was feeling very burnt out from it, So he

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<v Speaker 3>hacks hard. Marketing's very hard. The Daily Beast David said

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<v Speaker 3>that the charge that he confessed to had a maximum

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<v Speaker 3>of twenty years in prison five hundred thousand dollars fine,

0:48:58.360 --> 0:49:01.480
<v Speaker 3>but based on his criminal history, number of other factors,

0:49:01.600 --> 0:49:06.600
<v Speaker 3>his acceptance of responsibility, prosecutors recommended restitution of seventy two

0:49:06.640 --> 0:49:11.759
<v Speaker 3>million and then ten to twelve years Razlkhan. She said

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<v Speaker 3>that in twenty twenty, Dutch admitted to her that he'd

0:49:14.960 --> 0:49:18.920
<v Speaker 3>hack Bifinex, and that she was always suspicious of the

0:49:19.000 --> 0:49:19.680
<v Speaker 3>extra money.

0:49:20.360 --> 0:49:22.279
<v Speaker 2>Always suspicious, so she thought it.

0:49:22.239 --> 0:49:24.000
<v Speaker 3>Was from drugs or tax evasions.

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<v Speaker 2>So she didn't really flip on him. She just like

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<v Speaker 2>he could be dirty.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, And she said that some of the times

0:49:28.280 --> 0:49:31.239
<v Speaker 3>they went to Ukraine or Kazakhstan, she thought they were

0:49:31.280 --> 0:49:33.200
<v Speaker 3>just tourists or like building their businesses.

0:49:33.320 --> 0:49:35.640
<v Speaker 2>I thought I was on tour. One time when they.

0:49:35.520 --> 0:49:38.120
<v Speaker 3>Were in Kazakhstan, she found him burning documents in a

0:49:38.160 --> 0:49:41.400
<v Speaker 3>trash can. But she was like, well that's weird. I

0:49:41.520 --> 0:49:42.400
<v Speaker 3>better rap about it.

0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:43.600
<v Speaker 2>That's what you do in tech.

0:49:44.160 --> 0:49:49.840
<v Speaker 3>So prosecutors may have offered to sponsor them in witness protection.

0:49:50.239 --> 0:49:54.000
<v Speaker 3>Why if he had to like disappear for his own safety.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, but what bigger fish do they have?

0:49:57.040 --> 0:50:02.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah he no, he didn't. I'm there's really there's no

0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:07.680
<v Speaker 3>news on them, either Dutch or razzal Khan. The most

0:50:07.719 --> 0:50:11.360
<v Speaker 3>recent thing was that a quote federal judge would determine

0:50:11.360 --> 0:50:15.360
<v Speaker 3>any sentencing, and then February twenty twenty four, apparently he

0:50:15.440 --> 0:50:19.800
<v Speaker 3>was quote helping federal prosecutors in their case against bitcoin Fog,

0:50:20.000 --> 0:50:22.120
<v Speaker 3>one of the mixing services he said he'd use to

0:50:22.160 --> 0:50:25.200
<v Speaker 3>conceal assets. Okay, this is no way to end the

0:50:25.239 --> 0:50:26.279
<v Speaker 3>tail zeron.

0:50:26.120 --> 0:50:27.959
<v Speaker 2>So wait a minute. So okay, Yeah, they're just trying

0:50:28.000 --> 0:50:29.600
<v Speaker 2>to get this guy to flip and help them make

0:50:29.640 --> 0:50:30.080
<v Speaker 2>other case.

0:50:30.160 --> 0:50:33.680
<v Speaker 3>Sounds like it. Yeah. Almost immediately after the arrest, though,

0:50:34.440 --> 0:50:40.239
<v Speaker 3>Netflix announced a series dropped a new new banger like No,

0:50:40.320 --> 0:50:42.000
<v Speaker 3>this isn't the End from Prison, like on.

0:50:41.960 --> 0:50:43.760
<v Speaker 2>The Phone, like real hip hop tiles.

0:50:43.760 --> 0:50:45.600
<v Speaker 3>It's going to be directed by the same guy who

0:50:45.600 --> 0:50:49.839
<v Speaker 3>did the Firefest documentary Really serious. As of now, there's

0:50:49.880 --> 0:50:55.239
<v Speaker 3>no updates on the status of that project. Hulu is

0:50:55.520 --> 0:50:59.800
<v Speaker 3>was always working on a limited run series called Razzle

0:51:00.080 --> 0:51:04.520
<v Speaker 3>on the infamous Crocodile of Wall Street starring Lily Collins.

0:51:04.920 --> 0:51:05.799
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah.

0:51:07.000 --> 0:51:11.160
<v Speaker 3>In early twenty twenty four, Amazon MGM Studios announced it

0:51:11.200 --> 0:51:14.399
<v Speaker 3>was quote launching development on a film called Razzle Khan

0:51:14.520 --> 0:51:16.520
<v Speaker 3>Okay and Finally.

0:51:16.360 --> 0:51:18.319
<v Speaker 2>They didn't no casting announcements now.

0:51:18.320 --> 0:51:21.160
<v Speaker 3>Well, March twenty twenty four, it was announced that a

0:51:21.200 --> 0:51:24.840
<v Speaker 3>feature film, Dutch in Razzle Khan, starring Lewis Pullman and

0:51:24.920 --> 0:51:28.120
<v Speaker 3>Chloe Grace Moretz. Oh that's cool, would start production this

0:51:28.160 --> 0:51:30.759
<v Speaker 3>summer twenty twenty four. So let's see if they need

0:51:30.840 --> 0:51:31.480
<v Speaker 3>us for anything.

0:51:31.560 --> 0:51:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's write them.

0:51:32.760 --> 0:51:34.000
<v Speaker 3>What's your ridiculous takeaway?

0:51:34.200 --> 0:51:38.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, So like all this crypto right as

0:51:38.160 --> 0:51:42.440
<v Speaker 2>somebody who grew up like idolizing con men and like hustlers,

0:51:43.040 --> 0:51:46.200
<v Speaker 2>I had an immediate instinct that this is just like BS.

0:51:46.719 --> 0:51:49.200
<v Speaker 2>But I didn't realize it would last so long. Yeah,

0:51:49.239 --> 0:51:51.040
<v Speaker 2>because I have heard about it way back in the

0:51:51.120 --> 0:51:53.000
<v Speaker 2>day from my like friends who were deep in the

0:51:53.000 --> 0:51:56.520
<v Speaker 2>Silicon Valley. Did not have the intelligence to buy any

0:51:56.520 --> 0:51:58.560
<v Speaker 2>of these like bitcoin type things, but I did have

0:51:58.640 --> 0:52:01.799
<v Speaker 2>the intelligence to sneer at it the entire time. So

0:52:01.920 --> 0:52:04.040
<v Speaker 2>I've been right about that part. Did not pay it

0:52:04.080 --> 0:52:06.480
<v Speaker 2>all well, But yeah, man, I hate this stuff and

0:52:06.520 --> 0:52:08.480
<v Speaker 2>it just keeps going. And now they're he's using up

0:52:08.520 --> 0:52:12.520
<v Speaker 2>like cities worth of water to make up imaginary money.

0:52:12.760 --> 0:52:15.279
<v Speaker 2>She's only making people like this wealthy. It's not like

0:52:15.320 --> 0:52:17.520
<v Speaker 2>you hear about like and then they gave a billion

0:52:17.560 --> 0:52:19.680
<v Speaker 2>dollars to a charity because of all the free money

0:52:19.680 --> 0:52:21.839
<v Speaker 2>they'd made. Like if I could feel a little better

0:52:21.880 --> 0:52:22.920
<v Speaker 2>if I ever heard that.

0:52:23.040 --> 0:52:26.560
<v Speaker 3>But new that's the you know, my ridiculous take thanks

0:52:26.600 --> 0:52:31.239
<v Speaker 3>for asking, is that it's everything is theoretical about it, right,

0:52:31.280 --> 0:52:34.320
<v Speaker 3>Like it's just all ones and zeros in the matrix.

0:52:34.760 --> 0:52:38.000
<v Speaker 3>But then there are the real world aspects of it.

0:52:38.000 --> 0:52:40.000
<v Speaker 3>And I'm not talking about razzle Khan walking up and

0:52:40.040 --> 0:52:42.560
<v Speaker 3>down the street wrapping. I'm talking about, like you said,

0:52:42.640 --> 0:52:45.680
<v Speaker 3>like the amount of energy that gets used, and it's

0:52:45.760 --> 0:52:48.640
<v Speaker 3>so crazy wasteful. I mean, I suppose not if you're

0:52:48.680 --> 0:52:50.479
<v Speaker 3>going to talk about like the money that it makes,

0:52:50.520 --> 0:52:53.640
<v Speaker 3>but sure, and it's it's but it's all again theoretical,

0:52:53.719 --> 0:52:57.760
<v Speaker 3>and it's it's the on the ground though it's so damaging,

0:52:58.400 --> 0:53:03.200
<v Speaker 3>so damaging and wasteful, very very wasteful. So that is

0:53:03.239 --> 0:53:08.200
<v Speaker 3>my ridiculous takeaway. Thank you very much, Dave. Could you

0:53:08.200 --> 0:53:09.319
<v Speaker 3>could you give me a talk back?

0:53:09.719 --> 0:53:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, oh.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh god, I went ge.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey's Aaron Elizabeth and producer Dave.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Ben from New York City.

0:53:30.120 --> 0:53:35.680
<v Speaker 5>So I'm unemployed and I've been looking for jobs recently, and.

0:53:35.880 --> 0:53:39.000
<v Speaker 3>I saw a Craigslist ad to become a private investigator.

0:53:40.120 --> 0:53:42.719
<v Speaker 5>The guy wants me to drive tomorrow morning out to

0:53:42.800 --> 0:53:44.160
<v Speaker 5>Long Island for an interview.

0:53:44.560 --> 0:53:46.880
<v Speaker 2>I need your guys advice. Should I go? Should I

0:53:46.920 --> 0:53:49.680
<v Speaker 2>become a PI? From what I have to stand? Yeah,

0:53:49.920 --> 0:53:52.160
<v Speaker 2>we we had the intern to get back to this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>We're waiting for an update. Correct.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we're just waiting to hear from him. We urged

0:53:56.719 --> 0:54:00.880
<v Speaker 3>him desperately for you. He's got to go do this

0:54:00.960 --> 0:54:04.680
<v Speaker 3>and report back. Yes, please, and then also don't get murdered,

0:54:05.520 --> 0:54:08.600
<v Speaker 3>so you know, bring like mace and do a pin

0:54:08.719 --> 0:54:09.759
<v Speaker 3>drop when you get there.

0:54:09.920 --> 0:54:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Pizzaza, bring a pizza.

0:54:12.400 --> 0:54:16.960
<v Speaker 3>You know everyone likes pizza. Yeah, but oh my gosh, hangry.

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