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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Zaren Elizabeth Dutton.

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Speaker 3: You come on over here, let me talk to you.

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Speaker 2: Hey, what you got for me?

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Speaker 3: Do you know what's ridiculous? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Wait? Wait, hold up, I do. Oh yes, a nude magician.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that is ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Kazuhisa Oukusa. It's not me. I'm not the nude magician. Yeah. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: I don't have a new job. No, he's a Japanese entertainer.

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Speaker 2: You've probably seen how much shows like Britain's Got Talent

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Speaker 2: or The Late Late Show with James Corden.

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Speaker 3: Do I need to remind you I don't watch television.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, he was on the Italian TV show Record

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Speaker 2: It means in English the Record Show, The Record Show. Yeah. No, anyway,

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Speaker 2: he was on there, impressing the judges and the audiences alike.

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Speaker 2: Because this dude has the record for quote, the most

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Speaker 2: matches lit with plungers attached to a person's body in

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Speaker 3: Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait the most.

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Speaker 2: He has the record for the most matches lit with

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Speaker 2: plungers attached to a person's body in one minute. I

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Speaker 2: don't even understand how the record bind you is seventy three.

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Speaker 3: Well does anyone else like the runner up on that?

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Speaker 3: What is this?

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Speaker 2: Hey? Man?

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Speaker 3: Plungers attached to the body and then matches lip like

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Speaker 3: he uses.

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Speaker 2: He uses the plungers. So imagine plungers suctioned over each nipple,

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Speaker 2: and then he whips his torso back and forth to

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Speaker 2: strike matches that are affixed to a table. And so

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Speaker 2: the matches get hit by the plungers, and then they have,

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Speaker 2: like I guess, a rough surface that causes them to expose,

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Speaker 2: and then the phosphate phosphors strike anywhere. Yeah, exactly. So

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Speaker 2: he did it for so long. One of the plungers

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Speaker 2: caught fire. He's leaving like, oh, I'm squealing right, worried

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Speaker 2: about his nipples. Right, But then later on he came

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Speaker 2: back to the stage because he had another one. He

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Speaker 2: comes out Elizabeth. He was wearing leopard print shorts. He

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Speaker 2: then took a CD, put the CD between his butt

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Speaker 2: cheeks right clenched it. The CD was attached to strings

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Speaker 2: which were attached to pieces of paper which were between

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Speaker 2: five glasses he had neatly arranged, and then with a

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Speaker 2: quick swivel of his hips, he pulled the clenched CD

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Speaker 2: and then the string, and then the papers and then

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Speaker 2: the glasses were left standing.

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Speaker 3: How would he come up?

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Speaker 2: Yes? That was another record, So the other guy, this

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Speaker 2: guy's got a lot of records, Elizabeth. Yeah, he has

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Speaker 2: the records for, quote, having the most objects removed simultaneously

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Speaker 2: from under glass bottles with a ruler no hands, used

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Speaker 2: six of those. Oh no. He also has the tallest

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Speaker 2: double Jenga tower cloth pull, like we need pull a

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Speaker 2: cloth and it stays standing like you know, like on

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Speaker 2: the on like a like a tablecloth. Hands he had, yes, yeah,

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Speaker 2: head to use hands with that one, seventy eight centimeters.

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Speaker 2: He has the fastest time to remove twenty casino chips

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Speaker 2: from under a glass bottle no hands, So that's a

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Speaker 2: butt cheat clench, nine point sixty three seconds, and the

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Speaker 2: longest duration balancing a wine glass on the head with

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Speaker 2: a rotating blower with twenty eight seconds. Yeah, exactly. So

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Speaker 2: what are we doing with our time? They're not out

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Speaker 2: here getting world records because apparently they're just giving them out.

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Speaker 2: Well there you got ridiculous, Right.

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Speaker 3: That's so ridiculous. I'm scarred.

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Speaker 2: Why clenching?

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Speaker 3: And uh, do you want to know what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I do don't hear for it, crypto what.

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Speaker 3: This is a ridiculous crime A podcast about absurd and

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Speaker 3: outrageous capers, hets and cons. It's always ninety nine percent

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Speaker 3: murder free in one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: I know you don't heard that.

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Speaker 3: You know how when you drive into San Francisco from

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Speaker 3: either like the East Bay or if you're coming up

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Speaker 3: from the airport, there are tons of billboards for tech companies.

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Speaker 3: Oh god, yeah, and like most of them they decide

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Speaker 3: that vowels in the company name just aren't necessary, like.

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Speaker 2: They're legal, they cost more.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And then the billboards they feel like they're in

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Speaker 3: a different lay language because like I don't understand the term.

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Speaker 2: Not a word.

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Speaker 3: It's all your best source of l MS, CPN connectivity.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what it's like.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that sounds great.

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Speaker 3: And there's no physical products, so it's always just text.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't show a thing.

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Speaker 3: No, it's just a big block of text B to

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Speaker 3: B software solutions for international GLM with no broker fees.

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Speaker 2: Is that real?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: I just say that, I see.

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Speaker 3: I believe like it though, it's it's like this whole

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Speaker 3: other world, and so I'm going to be hitting you

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Speaker 3: with some of that jargon and idiotic company name stuff today.

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Speaker 2: Oh you know I love I know you love.

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Speaker 3: That, and I'm going to talk about I wateringly large

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Speaker 3: sums of money.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yes, you do love that.

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Speaker 3: But first I want to take you to to Hama, California.

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Speaker 2: No, and take me down to ham A Turn.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of between Reading and Chico, which will mean

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Speaker 3: absolutely nothing to me to non northern California folks. But

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Speaker 3: I'm talking to you today, Solati Da. So it's very

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Speaker 3: pretty up there.

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Speaker 2: And what's going down in the state of Jefferson.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, lots of orchards. The Sacramento River runs through town.

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Speaker 3: It's a sleepy hamlet, about like four hundred peoples. But

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Speaker 3: it gave us someone who would go on to much

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Speaker 3: larger things, someone as outsized as ta Haima is quaint.

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Speaker 2: Oh Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 3: No, her name Heather Morgan.

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Speaker 2: He's from Chicos.

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Speaker 3: He is from Chico's very close. So Heather Morgan. She

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Speaker 3: had a speech impediment growing up and was kind of

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Speaker 3: bullied for her voice, and she was self conscious about

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Speaker 3: it and said, quote that insecurity prevented me from doing

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Speaker 3: a lot of things I was passionate and curious about

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Speaker 3: when I was younger, from film and comedy to leadership opportunities.

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Speaker 2: So James Earl Jones and Joe Biden both.

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Speaker 3: Starterers exactly, and you know what, film and leadership, and

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Speaker 3: they're amazing. She may have felt stifled in her younger years,

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Speaker 3: but she had her sights set on bigger things.

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Speaker 2: Oh good for her.

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Speaker 3: You're familiar with Davis, California.

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Speaker 2: Right, yes, down familiar you.

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Speaker 3: See, Davis is my alma mater.

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Speaker 2: You we have also heard of it.

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Speaker 3: Heather went to y C.

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Speaker 2: Davis get out. She was what Aggie for Life. He's

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Speaker 2: making fun of me.

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Speaker 4: Because I am a member of the YUC Davis Alumni Association.

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Speaker 4: And when you do, like when you're like tired of

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Speaker 4: them coming at you every year for the money, and

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Speaker 4: you say here's a lifetime one.

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Speaker 3: They they like, you know, unsolicited. They send me this

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Speaker 3: license plate frame thank you gift that says Aggie for Life,

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Speaker 3: and it is so ugly and I'm trying to figure

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Speaker 3: out who I can regive it to anyway, Well, I

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Speaker 3: can give it to Heather. I can give it to

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Speaker 3: Heather Morgan. She she had a full ride scholarship today.

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Speaker 2: The Captain Morgan Scholarship.

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Speaker 3: She studied economics and international relations. She did a semester

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Speaker 3: abroad in Ankara, Turkey. Oh interesting and like someone who

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Speaker 3: does this semester in Spain and forever wants to tell

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Speaker 3: you about Barstonona Turkish culture. Maybe huge impact on Heather.

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Speaker 2: I mad it did formative years.

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Speaker 3: Man, that stuff will be it's a body, your bones

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Speaker 3: exactly so, but more on that later, okay. She graduated

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Speaker 3: in twenty eleven and was hired as a research assistant

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Speaker 3: was a promising student who had an impressive understanding of

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Speaker 3: the Middle East and that she'd quote earned a place

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Speaker 3: Na following the Arab.

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Speaker 2: Spring ah the Middle East North Africa.

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Speaker 3: There it is so we have, you know, like this

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Speaker 3: very heady work. From there, she moved to Hong Kong

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Speaker 3: of Science and Technology, where she ran seminars about American

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Speaker 3: culture teaching English. It's not bad for a Galfrid Taheima

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Speaker 3: and so she went on to attend American University of Cairo,

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Speaker 3: and her LinkedIn profile makes it look like she received

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Speaker 3: a master's in economics of International development there. According to

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Speaker 2: Oh, ew, I know about that.

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Speaker 3: That's no shame in that game. In twenty thirteen, she

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Speaker 2: She joined the.

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Speaker 3: Tech scene, like so many others seeking their fortunes in

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Speaker 3: this twenty first century gold rush.

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Speaker 2: Go get it, people get it.

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Speaker 3: So she got a job at an Arabic language gaming

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Speaker 3: company called Tamatan okay I, which is that's fascinating gaming company. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and that lasted a couple of months. Then she moved

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Speaker 2: She's always picking the spots, Brazil, Hong Kong. You're like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: She married a Brazilian entrepreneur that she met at a conference,

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Speaker 3: Bruno Desuza. This is what Forbes had to say about

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Speaker 3: this quote at a conference. Yeah, Desusa said he had

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, it's for her to get a visa.

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Speaker 2: To get a visa into Brazil, she can work basically

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Speaker 2: as his like you know, partner will say his pet

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Speaker 2: track tracking. So he's chipping dogs and cats and he's like, baby,

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Speaker 2: I'm about to make million off these. She's like, I'm

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Speaker 2: chipping by the dozens. And she's like, okay, get me

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Speaker 2: like a green card. He's like, I can do better

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Speaker 2: than that. But you know what's sad, but you marry me.

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Speaker 3: October twenty thirteen marriage had fallen apart, Oh because it

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Speaker 3: started so honestly, so earnestly well, and so then what

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Speaker 3: does the girl to do? She moved back to California, okay,

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Speaker 3: And she said that she came back to the States

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Speaker 3: with absolutely nothing. She couch served. She interviewed, as she

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Speaker 3: put it, quote CEOs and salespeople. I wanted to know

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Speaker 3: how I could solve their biggest problems like maintaining growth

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Speaker 3: rates and increasing sales revenue.

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Speaker 2: So she went to them and say, what do you need? People?

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Speaker 3: Big problems that no one in any business ever talks about, yes,

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Speaker 3: of course, increasing sales.

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Speaker 2: Like I wish there was like conferences or maybe like

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Speaker 2: seminars about increasing sales revenue. That would be amazing, so helpful.

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Speaker 3: March twenty fourteen, no one ever. She launched Salesfolk, Ohlkay, Salesfolks.

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Speaker 2: Was that supposed to be like a type of her salesforce?

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Speaker 2: Like people? Who is an email? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: It sounds like if you're trying to say salesforce and

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Speaker 3: your throat gets caught and you need water. Salesfolk sales

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Speaker 3: or it's an email marketing company, Sure it is. So

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Speaker 3: she had just one employee email marketing. It's a spam company. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's like mail chip. But she made up a couple

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Speaker 3: of fictitious employee profiles on LinkedIn to make it look

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Speaker 2: Wow. I like how tech fraud is always fun and

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Speaker 2: like it's never like yeah, that's just scammy.

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Speaker 3: That's not proficiency in Japanese, elementary proficiency in Cantonese and Russian.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so we know about Heather. Now let's meet Dutch.

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Speaker 3: There's a named Dutch Ilia Dutch Liechtenstein.

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Speaker 3: Dutch quote invested in startups alongside heavyweights like Mark Benioff,

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Speaker 3: It's he's Salesforce, right. They have that giant tower in

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Speaker 3: No, that's the Millennium all right, Salesforce, and I work

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Speaker 3: Thing and he's the medicine man. Okay, so there we are.

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Speaker 3: We got everybody in this mix. Twenty thirteen, Dutch met Morgan. Okay,

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Speaker 3: So they're living the high life. They're traveling to Hong Kong, Panama, Mexico,

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Speaker 2: Okay, and it's not a Winkle Boss.

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Speaker 3: It is not a Winkle Boss.

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Speaker 2: Thank god? All right, ZARONO, Hey, howday?

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Speaker 3: Okay, goodness, all right, So we're getting to my favorite part.

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Speaker 3: As I said, yes, this isn't the criminal aspect of

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you got me sold.

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Speaker 2: Salesforce killing it, gangbusters, Salesfolk.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is what Morgan wrote for Forbes. Quote, I

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Speaker 3: had legal threats, learned that dishonest employees that were fudging

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Speaker 3: that I firmly believe the public needed to see sales folks.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like in a movie with merph folk and they're

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Speaker 3: Exactly, children, Exactly, she was. So she's burned out, she's

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Speaker 3: stressed out. She has to take time off. Like, what

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Speaker 3: Are there artists who inspire you, who refresh you, make

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Give me just one, just one lucial ball.

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Speaker 3: Lall makes you, well, what about you? I have no

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Speaker 2: Heather had her own bacon.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Heather had a Lucille ball into Francis bacon. She

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Speaker 3: She's the one who's like super pale and has that

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Speaker 3: She's out there. Heather wanted to be out there too,

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Speaker 2: Why not. That's the best place to be. There's so

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Speaker 3: She decided to start writing rap lyrics.

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Speaker 3: She said that one Tuesday morning, will quote completely sober.

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Speaker 3: Keesus took a look at her and thought I could

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this is this is a ripe sucker.

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Speaker 3: So Keesus stepped in. He made the beats. That's b

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Speaker 2: Her rhythm and rhythm and flow. Yeah, the rapper. But listen, listen, Saren, Saren,

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Speaker 3: Wasn't Heather anymore?

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Speaker 2: Oh no, of course not.

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Speaker 3: Now she was Razzle Khan what Yeah, and it's not

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Speaker 3: Heather reached her apex form Khan Razzle Khan wow to

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Speaker 3: in her kitchen and be razzled her elliptical machine by

439
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 3: decorating with spray paint and LEDs. She also had an

440
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,479
Speaker 3: alter ego of sorts named Sharlene, who wore an eighties

441
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 3: era blonde wig and spoke in a Southern accent about

442
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 3: taking laxatives before going out. So Quote I can look skinny.

443
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 3: And then there was the ultimate second self, the one,

444
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Speaker 3: the only Razzle Khan.

445
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 2: So she was just hitting all the buttons. Seems tund

446
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Speaker 2: to see which one hits, basically like, well, which one

447
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 2: of these personas can I monetize? I'm really hoping it's

448
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 2: Razzle Khan.

449
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, she called herself the crocodile of Wall Street.

450
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 2: Makes sense, according to.

451
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Speaker 3: Her website quote, because Raz has anesthesia. Her art often

452
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 3: resembles something in between an acid trip and a delightful nightmare.

453
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 3: Definitely not for the feint of heart or easily offended.

454
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,159
Speaker 3: Raz likes to push the limits of what people are

455
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 3: comfortable with. Her style has often been described as sexy

456
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,679
Speaker 3: horror comedy because of her fondness for combining dark and

457
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 3: disturbing concepts with dirty jokes and gestures. Just like her fearless,

458
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 3: entrepreneurial spirit and hacker mindset, Raz shamelessly explores new frontiers

459
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 3: of art, pushing the limit of what's possible. Whether that

460
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 3: leads to something wonderful or terrible is unclear. The only

461
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 3: thing that's certain is it won't be boring or mediocre.

462
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Speaker 2: So she's like the worst version of Brook Candy you

463
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,880
Speaker 2: could possibly have they downtown l a rapper. Yeah, yeah,

464
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Speaker 2: completely a minute.

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Speaker 3: Wait, let me let me tell you some song titles.

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Speaker 3: Oh the song title, yeah, please go fund yourself, Versauce

467
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Speaker 3: bedouin vacuum cleaner, Menace to Society, which I don't know

468
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 3: cover I think taken getting high in a cemetery, and

469
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 3: that track has the chorus puff puff pass, I love

470
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 3: me some gravegrass, getting high in the cemetery, getting high

471
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 3: in the cemetery.

472
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 2: Wow.

473
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's how Marissa the researcher summarized that too. Okay,

474
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 3: quote to quote Marissa. This song is a real voyage.

475
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 3: It starts with the narrator alone in the cemetery one night,

476
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 3: smoking weed next to her grandpa's grave. When a horse

477
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Speaker 3: propositions her, she declines. Then her grandpa comes up from

478
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Speaker 3: the grave and asks for some weed, but she says

479
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,360
Speaker 3: she doesn't share her weed for free, and she tells

480
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 3: him to go back to hell unless he has money.

481
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 3: He offers a magic lamp he won from at a

482
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 3: turk during a game of backgammon. The narrator is intrigued.

483
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 3: Hold on, let me let me play something.

484
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 2: I wone. She managed to get the founder of Turkey

485
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Speaker 2: in there.

486
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 3: Let me play, Let me play Versachi Bedwin for you.

487
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 2: Just are you kidding me?

488
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 3: I mean this is for the sake of journalism.

489
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, listens original that song is the Entrepreneurs

490
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Speaker 2: and Trackers.

491
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Speaker 5: Russell KM the better Win come real far, but don't

492
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 5: know where I'm at, and the crocodile of Wall Street

493
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 5: over on my fingers and foods on my feet. Always

494
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Speaker 5: see a goat, not a goddamn sheet and email me

495
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Speaker 5: your message on the beat.

496
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 2: Beat her cadence. Her cadence sounds like someone making fun

497
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 2: of someone's.

498
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 3: There's a video. Oh yeah, it totally sounds like someone

499
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 3: making fun of something. There's a video, and it's just

500
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 3: like all I wished is that, Like I could run

501
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 3: up on her like Marshawn Lynch and just tackle her

502
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 3: tackler in the street anyway.

503
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 2: I got to a point where Marshall Lynch didn't sually

504
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 2: tackle people. I know he didn't.

505
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 3: There one would if he could tackle her, If my

506
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 3: man Marshawn had to, he would.

507
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Speaker 2: I promise, I.

508
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 3: Promise you He's not a one trick ponies.

509
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 2: I would not. You can do anything.

510
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 3: He can do anything in this world anyway, she's got.

511
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 2: Your good personal friend, Marshaun Lyunch. You cannot limit him.

512
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 3: I want him to be friends with me. I want

513
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 3: him to be my friend, my celebrity friend. I want

514
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 3: that makeup artist Aaron Parsons to be my celebrity.

515
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 2: I can't tell you where to find him in Oakland.

516
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 2: He's often it's the same place. Just go down there.

517
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 3: Do go down there, Sarah, and I want her friendship

518
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 3: to blossom organically.

519
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:21,959
Speaker 2: Saren, divity happened. Don't talk to him, let him talk

520
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 2: to you, let him approach you.

521
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 3: Anyway. She's got another song, CALIFORNI year rolls.

522
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 2: Oh my God, where she can make a joke California

523
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 2: kind of a punk band would make fun of people

524
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 2: using that title.

525
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 3: Plains about an Upper east Side bro and basic ass

526
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 3: white Hose.

527
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 2: So they're they So she's in on the physician. Yeah,

528
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 2: heal thyself.

529
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 3: She refers she's referring to Hose, who listened to the

530
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 3: Jonas Brothers in one direction. Apparently she made n f

531
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Speaker 3: t s for single for her songs VERSACEI Bedouin and

532
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 3: Social Distance. Later, the NFTs, which at some point had

533
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,479
Speaker 3: been purchased I'm sure, disappeared from the NFT marketplace that

534
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 3: they were housed on.

535
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 2: Gasp, shocked, shocking.

536
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 3: The art for Versace bed Win the single is so

537
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 3: so so so, so so so terrible. It has a

538
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 3: parental advisory icon on it growing up for me, that

539
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 3: was a seal of approofal. It was a good album.

540
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 3: It's not so here. I can't fathom buying any n

541
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 3: f T, but in particular the Versace Bedouin one. So

542
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 3: we've got Heather flouncing around as Razzle Khan.

543
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 2: By the way, sounds like, you know, the Academy Awards

544
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: is called the It's called the OSCAR.

545
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 3: There's also that's like a convention, like a con where

546
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 3: people get together. She's gonna hack me, dude, probably yeah, anyway, right,

547
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 3: so she's I have no crypto to steal. I lost

548
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 3: my Apeslizabeth apes Dutch. This made him love her even more,

549
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 3: of course, in fact, he wanted to make an honest

550
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 3: woman of her.

551
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 2: Oh nice.

552
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,479
Speaker 3: He spent a year planning his marriage proposal. Okay, and

553
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 3: he hired a marketing agency to put up posters of

554
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 3: Morgan as Razzle Khan around the city. And then there was,

555
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 3: as he called it, non cheesy billboard that he put

556
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 3: up in Times Square with a photo of her taken

557
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 3: from one of these rap videos.

558
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: Does not sound cheesy at all.

559
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 3: The words the most brutally honest rap album of the year.

560
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 3: She was sold. She's like, guess what I do? A

561
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 3: hip hip hop I do? It's like the what's his name?

562
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 3: The comedian that I love? Who does the Hannibal Burris?

563
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 4: Oh?

564
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, who does eighties rap? Find it?

565
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 3: Look it up online. It's amazing anyway, So she's sold.

566
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 3: The couple officially engaged in twenty nineteen.

567
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 2: Oh, congratulations, so happy for the family. Yeah, Sarah, listen,

568
00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: I'm glat to took each other off the market. Oh no, no, yes, yes, okay.

569
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 3: I want you to picture it. It's November thirteenth, twenty

570
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 3: twenty one. You are at Plaia Studios in Culver City, California.

571
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 3: The venue's website describes it as owned by bicoastal music

572
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 3: production company Mophonics. Plia Studios is a unique and creative

573
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 3: venue nestled in Culver City on the West side of

574
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 3: Los Angeles. Curated with a mix of modern, industrial and

575
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 3: eclectic design, the space breathes life into its former warehouse

576
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,959
Speaker 3: bits like you don't have to imagine it. Those are

577
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 3: and you are there totally, and you're there because you've

578
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 3: been invited to a wedding there, oh lord, not really

579
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 3: invited by the couple. You're the plus one of the

580
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 3: sound bath practitioner. You've been dating for a couple months.

581
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 3: She goes by the name Sparkleshot, but you know her

582
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 3: government name is Melanie and she's from Encino.

583
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: She knows me as mister Andre.

584
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's right. You're the son of a venture capitalist,

585
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 3: of course, and you're working for your dad. You recognize

586
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 3: some of the guests, people from tech startups in Venice,

587
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 3: some of sparkleshots pals from Burning.

588
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: Man mm hm and Silicon Beach.

589
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 3: That you are looking sharp in a great bespoke suit.

590
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 2: Sure, look at me, and not in.

591
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 3: Like a pooky tell them what you're wearing way, but

592
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 3: in a way that even like your cologne smells like wealth.

593
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 2: Oh yes, feel good.

594
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 3: You're not comfortable in this crowd, not at all. So

595
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 3: as down tempo pseudo techno plays in the background, making

596
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,959
Speaker 3: you feel like you're shopping at H and M or something.

597
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 3: A woman comes around and passes out gold spray painted

598
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 3: banana leaves to the wedding guests wave them at Morgan

599
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 3: when she comes in. Okay, guys. She then passes you

600
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 3: a handful of Rasulkhan stickers. Suddenly there's a thumping bead.

601
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 3: The music has picked up tempo and has a sort

602
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 3: of Middle Eastern vibe to it. There's a commotion at

603
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 3: the back of the room and you turn around. There,

604
00:30:55,000 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 3: being carried on a Moroccan pelican is Heather Morgan. She's

605
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 3: wearing a golden crown and some sort of beaded headdress.

606
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 3: The crowd waves their palm leaves at her as she passes.

607
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 3: You've never met her, nor seen her, and now you're

608
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 3: stuck by one thing. She looks like a total dork.

609
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 3: Like there's really no other way to put it. She

610
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 3: looks like a nerdy kid in middle school who stole

611
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 3: some raver's luggage and is now wearing about three other

612
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 3: outfits at once.

613
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: Do you record my internal modelogues?

614
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 3: That's what I'm giving you, especially those round glasses with

615
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 3: the amber tinted lenses. The ceremony is a strange blur,

616
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 3: and you've survived to the reception. The bride, who you

617
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 3: hadn't realized had disappeared, emerges from a side room. The

618
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 3: DJ announces People of Earth, I give you Razzle Khan

619
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 3: performing her new single Moon and Stars. The bride takes

620
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 3: the stage and starts uncomfortably wrapping. The younger folks in

621
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 3: the crowd do that faux social media inspired party dance

622
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 3: in their seats, arms in the air, and poudy faces

623
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 3: and faked excitement on their faces. The older folks in

624
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 3: the crowd, presumably the bride and groom's families, looked totally confused.

625
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 3: They've looked confused the whole time. The performance ends and

626
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 3: the groom takes the stage. He tells the crowd to

627
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 3: get ready to have their minds blown again. You aren't

628
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 3: sure you're ready for that. The groom, Dutch you've heard

629
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 3: him called, is wearing a black suit and a black shirt.

630
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 3: He tells the crowd he's a magician.

631
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: You roll your eyes.

632
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 3: Your date is totally into this, loving every second. Dutch

633
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 3: tells the guests to recall a fond memory of Heather.

634
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 3: He then slowly makes his way around the room, guessing

635
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 3: what moment was in their head. He gets a couple

636
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 3: of them wrong, then correctly guesses a woman's memory. He's

637
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 3: really good. Your date says you. Sigh. So we've met

638
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 3: these characters. We know they're weird and techy and shady.

639
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 3: Where do they have the money for all this stuff?

640
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 3: This lifestyle?

641
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm waiting for my uber outside. Worry to

642
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: they elizabeth money?

643
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 3: Look at me? What's this podcast called Ridiculous cross that's right, baby,

644
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 3: let's get criming.

645
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 2: Oh you know it.

646
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 3: August second, twenty sixteen. We're going back in time.

647
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: Okay.

648
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 3: An unknown hacker uncovered a flaw in the code for bitfinex.

649
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, yeah.

650
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 3: A cryptocurrency exchange exchange that was like, is it bit

651
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 3: bit finex, it's bitfinex, h whatever.

652
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: So go there and buy and trade, yeah, crypto.

653
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 3: This unknown hacker stole one hundred and nineteen thousand, seven

654
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty four bit coins. Oh wow, Yeah, from

655
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 3: various user's wallets. So this is twenty sixteen. That was

656
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 3: about half of bitfinex's inventory. Ooh, and the coins, nearly

657
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty thousand of them, were worth seventy

658
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 3: two million dollars at this time.

659
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

660
00:33:55,520 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: As with cryptocurrencies, the value later ballooned into billions. Yes, yeah,

661
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 3: So the breach in the code quote triggered a slump

662
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 3: in bitcoin prices. It dropped twenty three after the news

663
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 3: broke Oh damn yeah. At some point, the stolen bitcoins

664
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 3: were transferred into a digital wallet, a wallet belonging to

665
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 3: none other than Ilia Dutch Liechtenstein, not Dutch la. For

666
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 3: six months, the coins didn't move. This was because more

667
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 3: legitimate sites that accepted bitcoin had been warned not to

668
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 3: use the stolen tokens. But in early twenty seventeen, according

669
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 3: to Vanity Fair Quote, software security companies noticed that someone

670
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 3: was laundering some of that stolen crypto through a darknet

671
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 3: marketplace called Alpha Bat, one of the world's largest sellers

672
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 3: of feentanyl and heroin. Alpha Bay was already under investigations.

673
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 2: Sure they were by multiple.

674
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, international authorities for other matters, and they were shut

675
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,240
Speaker 3: down by police later in twenty seven which I yes.

676
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 3: In the course of that investigation, the FEDS arrested Alphabat's

677
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 3: founder and went through the servers. This will become importantly

678
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 3: so because the bitcoins were all stolen Dutch and old Razzlekhan,

679
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 3: they needed to launder them. So, according to the New

680
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 3: York Times quote, the maneuvers, according to prosecutors included opening

681
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 3: accounts under false names, moving stolen funds in small sums

682
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 3: in thousands of transactions to avoid detection, using computers to

683
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 3: automate their transactions, spreading funds across virtual currency exchanges, and

684
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 3: using US business accounts to obscure their illegal activity. Despite

685
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 3: their efforts, that activity sometimes drew the scrutiny of cryptocurrency exchanges.

686
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 3: In one instance, the couple used false identities to open

687
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 3: seven accounts on a single exchange, only to have them

688
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 3: frozen when the identities could not be verified. The accounts

689
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 3: held over one hundred and sixty thousand dollars in assets.

690
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 3: They nonetheless used cryptocurrency housed at another exchange to buy

691
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 3: prepaid debit cards. One five hundred dollars card bought from

692
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,439
Speaker 3: Walmart was used to pay for Uber Andhotels dot Com

693
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 3: purchases and to buy a PlayStation.

694
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 2: Gotta get that place, got to get your place.

695
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 3: So you know they're gamers too, hackers and gamers. So,

696
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 3: according to the government's later press release, over the last

697
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 3: five years, approximately twenty five thousand of those stolen bitcoin

698
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,479
Speaker 3: were transferred out of Liechtenstein's wallet via a complicated money

699
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 3: laundering process that ended with some of the stolen funds

700
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 3: being deposited into financial accounts controlled by Lichtenstein and Morgan.

701
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 3: The remainder of the stolen funds, comprising more than ninety

702
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 3: four thousand bitcoin, remained in the wallet used to receive

703
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 3: and store the illegal proceeds from the hack man.

704
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 2: If they could have gotten away with this billions, they

705
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 2: could have bought themselves all the protection of some foreign countries.

706
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 3: Totally, totally. So they also bought seventy gold coins and

707
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 3: Heather buried them actual gold coins, physical yeah something finally,

708
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 3: not digital.

709
00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: Yeah something real.

710
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that was worth tens of thousands of dollars.

711
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 3: They got all those gift cards from big stores that

712
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 3: could be converted into air miles.

713
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: Thing I don't understand.

714
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 3: And they also had you know, salesfolk.

715
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: Of course, Elizabeth use that to like get.

716
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 3: An institutional bitcoin account. Let's take a break. When we

717
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 3: come back, we're going to continue on this crypto journey

718
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 3: with Razul Khan and Dutch. All right, so we're back,

719
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 3: and Dutch Man, every.

720
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 2: Crazy kid is going to do. I know, well, who

721
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 2: are they going to scam next?

722
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 3: Those They got all this bitcoin and they're filtering it

723
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 3: and laundering it and doing Yeah, well, they lied to

724
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 3: their accountant about how they got it. Of course, they

725
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 3: said that they bought one hundred and twenty in May

726
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 3: of twenty eleven for three dollars and sixty four cents each,

727
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 3: so which.

728
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 2: You know is probably was right at the time. Yeah, yeah,

729
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 2: this whole time, my friends who bought it for like

730
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 2: a dollar. Yeah, back of the day, I don't even think.

731
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they're kadrillionaires. Now they're living it up. This

732
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 3: whole time they did all that first class travel. In

733
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, they took a month long trip to Ukraine,

734
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 3: and while they were there, they had a bunch of

735
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 3: packages delivered from the dark web. That's simcards, bank accounts,

736
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 3: fake Ukrainian passports, you know, so it's like me getting

737
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 3: Amazon packages. They're getting like return addressed dark web. All

738
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 3: the travel was actually away for Dutch to meet with

739
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 3: people who would convert the bitcoin into government issued currency

740
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 3: and then he'd deposit it into Russian and Ukrainian bank That's.

741
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: What I was waiting for. Yeah, I figure he had

742
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 2: that set up from the get So there.

743
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 3: Is in Ukraine they're laundering money. Yes, the authorities are

744
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 3: closing in. There was that rate of alphabet like I

745
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 3: said that Dark Web drugged in. They the Feds, they

746
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 3: get the servers on that and they could see who

747
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 3: was trying to cash out the stolen bitcoin. Eventually they

748
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 3: had a suspect Dutch. Some of the accounts that he

749
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 3: was using to launder money even used his real name,

750
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 3: and on occasion he used his real driver's license to

751
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 3: verify his identity and his own home address for a

752
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 3: gold trade.

753
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 2: He just didn't have the time. Was he's a busy

754
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 2: life type.

755
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. To really get him and to understand where the

756
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 3: rest of the not yet laundered bitcoins were. The FEDS

757
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 3: needed to get into his encrypted cloud storage account, I

758
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 3: bet and so basically, where's your drammax? So in later

759
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 3: court docs quote in twenty twenty one, the agents obtained

760
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 3: a copy of the contents of the cloud storage account

761
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 3: pursuant to a search warrant. Upon reviewing the contents of

762
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 3: the account, agents confirmed that the account was used by Lichenstein. However,

763
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 3: a subset of files were secured with a strong encryption

764
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 3: algorithm and a lengthy password. A password of that length

765
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 3: would typically prevent a well resourced attacker from accessing the

766
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 3: file within his lifetime. November twenty twenty one, a financial

767
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 3: services company accidentally sent a notice to Dutch letting him

768
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 3: know that he and Heather were the targets of a

769
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 3: criminal probe.

770
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 2: Oh and whoops.

771
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 3: They read the letter and immediately they tossed a computer

772
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 3: down a garbage chute, hoping it would stall investigators. But

773
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 3: I don't think it works that way. No. Yeah, So

774
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 3: on the morning of January fifth, twenty twenty two, agents

775
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 3: from the FBI IRS Criminal Investigation DHS they arrive at

776
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 3: the couple's apartment with a search warrant.

777
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 2: And they wouldn't have needed the search warrant for what

778
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 2: they threw in the trash because once you put it

779
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 2: in the trash, it becomes basically public property. So that's

780
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: like the whole thing.

781
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 3: Unless they thought, well, we'll throw a dummy computer down

782
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 3: the chute and it'll take them all this time to

783
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 3: look at it. So Heather's parents were visiting from Californy,

784
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 3: so we have to tame a family in town. She

785
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 3: asked the fedes if she and her parents and I

786
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 3: feel like she would be the dork to refer to

787
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 3: her to them as the rents. Yeah, could they leave

788
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 3: the apartment during the search.

789
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 2: And so she has as are in town for a

790
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 2: little while, you.

791
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 3: Got to go with the rents. She also asked if

792
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 3: she could bring their Bengal cat, Clarissa, who by the way,

793
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 3: had her own Instagram account, and they walked the cat

794
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:31,240
Speaker 3: and the cat stroller outside because Clarissa had been hiding

795
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 3: under a bed. Instinct so the agent's like, yes, you

796
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 3: can get your parents and Clarissa out of here. But then,

797
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 3: according to court documents, quote, while Morgan was crouched next

798
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 3: to the bed calling to the cat, she positioned herself

799
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 3: next to the nightstand, which was still holding one of

800
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 3: her phones. She then reached up and grabbed her cell

801
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 3: phone from the nightstand and repeatedly hit the lock button.

802
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 3: It appeared Morgan was attempting to lock the phone in

803
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 3: a way that would make it more difficult for law

804
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 3: enforcement to search the phone's contents. Law enforcement had to

805
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: wrest the phone from her hand.

806
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 2: Oh wow, they thought over that, they thought, Yeah.

807
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 3: So they go through this raid.

808
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 2: I thought they wouldn't set them down at all.

809
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 3: Who knows, they find forty thousand dollars in cash, a

810
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 3: bunch of other foreign currency. They found a bag with

811
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 3: the words burner phone written on it. Oh yeah, God,

812
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 3: they find like fifty different tablets, phones, other electronics. Two

813
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 3: partially hollowed out books.

814
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 2: Fake id's written on it, followed up books is nice.

815
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: I gotta admit it's pretty qu if you hollow it

816
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: out yourself.

817
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 3: I doubt it Dutch. He also had a folder on

818
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 3: his computer called personas that had like bio information and

819
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 3: other identification of Russian and Ukrainian men and women. And

820
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 3: then there was a document on his computer called Ukraine

821
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,959
Speaker 3: Underscore Package which was written in Russian and was how

822
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 3: like it was a document about how to anonymously receive

823
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 3: a package in Ukraine. And oh, they also found evidence

824
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 3: of tracking info for various shipments arriving in Ukraine at

825
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 3: the same time that they were there. So they kept

826
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 3: all the tracking information at long after they get home.

827
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: They kept so much paperwork.

828
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, everything like definitively ties that online wallet connected with

829
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 3: the Bitfinex A lawyer them, Yeah, so they hired a

830
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 3: couple of lawyers. They hired the bit lawyers, and then

831
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 3: they also just went ahead and renewed their lease on

832
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 3: their apartment for another year, like they're never going to

833
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 3: get us. We have enough money.

834
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. G. K. Chesterton is so right.

835
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 3: So January thirty first, twenty twenty two, law enforcement was

836
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 3: able to decrypt some of the key files in the

837
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 3: cloud storage I see you were able to do it.

838
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 2: Bet on them every time.

839
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 3: It had a list of two thousand virtual currency addresses

840
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 3: along with corresponding private keys, and almost all of the

841
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 3: addresses were linked to the bitfinex heist. So there it is,

842
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 3: and so then it also said this is what was

843
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 3: in the court documents quote. The encrypted area within the

844
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 3: cloud storage account also held a parent wallet files for

845
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,479
Speaker 3: additional cryptocurrency that the government has not yet been able

846
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 3: to seize. Several of these files include variations of the

847
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 3: word dirty in their names, such as dirty underscore wallet

848
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 3: dot dat. The account also contained a folder holding data

849
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 3: files for numerous financial institutions, many in Russia, with notes

850
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 3: that appear to be reconnaissance of potential laundering avenues. The

851
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 3: account additionally included a text file named passport underscore ideas

852
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 3: that included links to different darknet vendor accounts that appeared

853
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 3: to be offering passports or identification cards for sale.

854
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: Ohs it just.

855
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 3: Took notes, you know, so they didn't they didn't prove

856
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 3: that it was Dutch who hacked bitfinex, just that he'd

857
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 3: gotten all the bitcoins.

858
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see that. February.

859
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, February eighth, twenty twenty two, Dutch and Razlkhan, they

860
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 3: were arrested, charged with conspiracy to commit money laundering and

861
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 3: conspiracy to defraud the United States. The government sees ninety

862
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 3: four thousand, six hundred thirty six bitcoin that at that

863
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 3: point February eighth, twenty twenty two, was worth three point

864
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 3: six billion. Wow, that they hadn't laundered yet.

865
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 2: And now the people who had that stolen, do they

866
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,399
Speaker 2: get that back at the amount that it was worth

867
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: when it was stolen? Amount they get it?

868
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 3: I think they get it at the coin?

869
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Did they get to get their number of coins back? Right?

870
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 2: And then if the value goes up, it just happens

871
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: to go up. Yeah. Wow.

872
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 3: Twenty five thousand of the original coins were still missing,

873
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 3: which the government figured they'd already been laundered. Yes.

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Speaker 2: Nice.

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00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 3: And since the initial three point six billion dollars in

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00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 3: assets was received, then the DOJ recovered four hundred and

877
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 3: seventy five million more, and then the couple agreed to

878
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 3: forfeit seventy two million dollars. By the time they were arrested,

879
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 3: the value of the total stolen bitcoin from the original

880
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 3: theft was more than five billion with a B dollars.

881
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: They stole five billion dollars of imaginary money.

882
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I told you it was ridiculous.

883
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 2: Oh my yes.

884
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 3: In the press release, government called it the largest financial

885
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 3: seizure in US history.

886
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

887
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 3: Dutchess bail was set at five million, and he had

888
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 3: his parents home posted to security. Heathers was set at

889
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 3: three million. Dutchess lawyer argued that he wasn't a flight

890
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 3: risk because his family had left Russia for religious persecution reasons,

891
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 3: and then the government pointed out that in twenty nineteen

892
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 3: he got himself.

893
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 2: A Russian passport so he can travel and.

894
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 3: Conveniently, Russia does not extradite its own citizens.

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00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: Yes, very right, famously, So.

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Speaker 3: The lawyers argued that the couple, though they weren't a

897
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 3: flight risk because they also had recently had some embryos

898
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 3: frozen in planning to try IVF.

899
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Speaker 2: And they renewed their lease.

900
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 3: And they renewed the lease, so we aren't going anywhere

901
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 3: they're staying. Yeah, and then, in true government fashion, prosecutors

902
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 3: pointed to a Razzlecon lyric as proof of her technical expertise. Yes,

903
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 3: spearfish your password, all your funds transferred. They're like, she

904
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Speaker 3: put it in the wrap.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, young thug, take notes.

906
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 3: So Dutch stayed in custody. Morgan was later allowed to

907
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 3: stand her house arrest in the apartment on bond with

908
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 3: electronic monitoring. September of twenty twenty two, Razzlecon tweeted about

909
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 3: looking for remote work for B to B tech companies

910
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 3: like business to business.

911
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 2: Anyone's like, yes, we totally were.

912
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Speaker 3: Apparently she found something.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 3: In January twenty twenty three, the judge approved that she

915
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 3: could work in her employer's office on Monday, Wednesday Friday

916
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 3: from ten am to eight thirty pm.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine being a parent saying this news and being like.

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Speaker 3: Oh, so you did get a job, trying to go

919
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 3: back to the office like you have an excuse. They

920
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 3: said that she could also have a computer and a

921
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 3: smartphone that so that she could work from home, but

922
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 3: she would be monitored and was not allowed to make

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Speaker 3: any crypto transactions. Naturally, Dutch August twenty twenty three, he

924
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 3: pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit money laundering. She pleaded

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Speaker 3: guilty to one count of money laundering conspiracy in one

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Speaker 3: count of conspiracy to defraud the US.

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Speaker 2: They hardly more charges.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they weren't charged with the actual hack, but Dutch

929
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 3: admitted in court that he was the one who did it,

930
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 3: and according to Bloomberg, he later said he had quote

931
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,479
Speaker 3: access to bitfinex's systems for several months and also hacked

932
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Speaker 3: into individual accounts at other crypto exchanges such as coinbase

933
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Speaker 3: and Kraken. Once he gained access to bitfinex, Liechtenstein said

934
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Speaker 3: he came up with a way to save customer passwords

935
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Speaker 3: so he could use them to access accounts at other exchanges.

936
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Speaker 3: In some cases, he deposited money into crypto exchanges by

937
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 3: using accounts in the name of other individuals that he

938
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Speaker 3: purchased on the darknet. And he said he did it

939
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 3: because quote, at the time, my business was struggling and

940
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 3: I was feeling very burnt out from it, So he

941
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 3: hacks hard. Marketing's very hard. The Daily Beast David said

942
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 3: that the charge that he confessed to had a maximum

943
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Speaker 3: of twenty years in prison five hundred thousand dollars fine,

944
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Speaker 3: but based on his criminal history, number of other factors,

945
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Speaker 3: his acceptance of responsibility, prosecutors recommended restitution of seventy two

946
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 3: million and then ten to twelve years Razlkhan. She said

947
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Speaker 3: that in twenty twenty, Dutch admitted to her that he'd

948
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Speaker 3: hack Bifinex, and that she was always suspicious of the

949
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 3: extra money.

950
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 2: Always suspicious, so she thought it.

951
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Speaker 3: Was from drugs or tax evasions.

952
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 2: So she didn't really flip on him. She just like

953
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 2: he could be dirty.

954
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And she said that some of the times

955
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 3: they went to Ukraine or Kazakhstan, she thought they were

956
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 3: just tourists or like building their businesses.

957
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 2: I thought I was on tour. One time when they.

958
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 3: Were in Kazakhstan, she found him burning documents in a

959
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 3: trash can. But she was like, well that's weird. I

960
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 3: better rap about it.

961
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 2: That's what you do in tech.

962
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 3: So prosecutors may have offered to sponsor them in witness protection.

963
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 3: Why if he had to like disappear for his own safety.

964
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but what bigger fish do they have?

965
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 3: Yeah he no, he didn't. I'm there's really there's no

966
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 3: news on them, either Dutch or razzal Khan. The most

967
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 3: recent thing was that a quote federal judge would determine

968
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 3: any sentencing, and then February twenty twenty four, apparently he

969
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 3: was quote helping federal prosecutors in their case against bitcoin Fog,

970
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 3: one of the mixing services he said he'd use to

971
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 3: conceal assets. Okay, this is no way to end the

972
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 3: tail zeron.

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00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:27,959
Speaker 2: So wait a minute. So okay, Yeah, they're just trying

974
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 2: to get this guy to flip and help them make

975
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 2: other case.

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00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 3: Sounds like it. Yeah. Almost immediately after the arrest, though,

977
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Speaker 3: Netflix announced a series dropped a new new banger like No,

978
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 3: this isn't the End from Prison, like on.

979
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 2: The Phone, like real hip hop tiles.

980
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 3: It's going to be directed by the same guy who

981
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 3: did the Firefest documentary Really serious. As of now, there's

982
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 3: no updates on the status of that project. Hulu is

983
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 3: was always working on a limited run series called Razzle

984
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 3: on the infamous Crocodile of Wall Street starring Lily Collins.

985
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah.

986
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 3: In early twenty twenty four, Amazon MGM Studios announced it

987
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 3: was quote launching development on a film called Razzle Khan

988
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 3: Okay and Finally.

989
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 2: They didn't no casting announcements now.

990
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 3: Well, March twenty twenty four, it was announced that a

991
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 3: feature film, Dutch in Razzle Khan, starring Lewis Pullman and

992
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 3: Chloe Grace Moretz. Oh that's cool, would start production this

993
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 3: summer twenty twenty four. So let's see if they need

994
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 3: us for anything.

995
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's write them.

996
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 3: What's your ridiculous takeaway?

997
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, So like all this crypto right as

998
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 2: somebody who grew up like idolizing con men and like hustlers,

999
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 2: I had an immediate instinct that this is just like BS.

1000
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 2: But I didn't realize it would last so long. Yeah,

1001
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 2: because I have heard about it way back in the

1002
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: day from my like friends who were deep in the

1003
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 2: Silicon Valley. Did not have the intelligence to buy any

1004
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 2: of these like bitcoin type things, but I did have

1005
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 2: the intelligence to sneer at it the entire time. So

1006
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 2: I've been right about that part. Did not pay it

1007
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 2: all well, But yeah, man, I hate this stuff and

1008
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 2: it just keeps going. And now they're he's using up

1009
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 2: like cities worth of water to make up imaginary money.

1010
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 2: She's only making people like this wealthy. It's not like

1011
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 2: you hear about like and then they gave a billion

1012
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 2: dollars to a charity because of all the free money

1013
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 2: they'd made. Like if I could feel a little better

1014
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 2: if I ever heard that.

1015
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 3: But new that's the you know, my ridiculous take thanks

1016
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 3: for asking, is that it's everything is theoretical about it, right,

1017
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 3: Like it's just all ones and zeros in the matrix.

1018
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 3: But then there are the real world aspects of it.

1019
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 3: And I'm not talking about razzle Khan walking up and

1020
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 3: down the street wrapping. I'm talking about, like you said,

1021
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 3: like the amount of energy that gets used, and it's

1022
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 3: so crazy wasteful. I mean, I suppose not if you're

1023
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,479
Speaker 3: going to talk about like the money that it makes,

1024
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 3: but sure, and it's it's but it's all again theoretical,

1025
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:57,760
Speaker 3: and it's it's the on the ground though it's so damaging,

1026
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 3: so damaging and wasteful, very very wasteful. So that is

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00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 3: my ridiculous takeaway. Thank you very much, Dave. Could you

1028
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 3: could you give me a talk back?

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00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh.

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00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 5: Oh god, I went ge.

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00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 3: Hey's Aaron Elizabeth and producer Dave.

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00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 2: This is Ben from New York City.

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00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 5: So I'm unemployed and I've been looking for jobs recently, and.

1034
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 3: I saw a Craigslist ad to become a private investigator.

1035
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 5: The guy wants me to drive tomorrow morning out to

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00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 5: Long Island for an interview.

1037
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 2: I need your guys advice. Should I go? Should I

1038
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 2: become a PI? From what I have to stand? Yeah,

1039
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 2: we we had the intern to get back to this guy.

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00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 2: We're waiting for an update. Correct.

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00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're just waiting to hear from him. We urged

1042
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 3: him desperately for you. He's got to go do this

1043
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 3: and report back. Yes, please, and then also don't get murdered,

1044
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 3: so you know, bring like mace and do a pin

1045
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 3: drop when you get there.

1046
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 2: Pizzaza, bring a pizza.

1047
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 3: You know everyone likes pizza. Yeah, but oh my gosh, hangry.

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Speaker 3: That's all I have for today. You can find us

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Speaker 3: online at ridiculous Crime dot com. We're at Ridiculous Crime

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Speaker 3: Crime at gmail dot com, and then, most importantly, leave

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Speaker 3: us a talk back on the iHeart app. Just reach out.

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Speaker 3: produced and edited by Dave Kusten aka Sizzle Korn. Research

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