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Speaker 1: lot going on. Let's put us up here on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Trump announcing that for the second time, the United States

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Speaker 1: military conducted a quote kinetic strike against positively identified extraordinarily

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Speaker 1: violent drug trafficking cartels and narco terrorists in the southcom

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Speaker 1: Area of responsibility. The strike occurred while these confirmed narco

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Speaker 1: terrorists from Venezuela or in international waters transporting illegal narcotics

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Speaker 1: quote a deadly weapon poisoning Americans headed to the US.

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Speaker 1: These extremely violent drug cartels quote pose a threat to

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Speaker 1: the United States national security, foreign policy, and vital interest.

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Speaker 1: The strike resulted in three male terrorists killed in action.

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Speaker 1: No US forces were harmed in the strike. Be warned,

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Speaker 1: if you're transporting drugs that can kill Americans, we are

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Speaker 1: hunting you. The illicit activities by these cartels have wrought

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Speaker 1: devastating consequences in American communities for decades. So that is

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Speaker 1: the second time now such an extraordinary action has taken place.

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Speaker 1: One of the reasons why it all matters is if

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Speaker 1: we'll all recall we had Juan David Rojas here on

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Speaker 1: the show. I recommend everybody go watch that interview. Why

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Speaker 1: because he laid out very specifically the designation here is

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Speaker 1: against Trend de Aragua, which is a gang in Venezuela. Well, Venezuela,

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Speaker 1: as I've laid out here before from US government statistics,

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Speaker 1: accounts for less than seven percent of all cocaine headed

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Speaker 1: to the United States. What he says there specifically about

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Speaker 1: poisoning Americans, that is referring to fentanol. Venezuela, according to

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Speaker 1: is about drugs. It's a pretty shitty way to actually

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Speaker 1: do to go after drugs. If you were going to

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Speaker 1: it would be Mexico, Okay, or Colombia or China, which

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Speaker 1: gives the precursors for fentanyl. Why are they not doing

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Speaker 1: any of that because there's extraordinary economic implications there and

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Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily intersect with a neo conservative regime change operation,

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Speaker 1: which has been the literal dream of Marco Rubio and

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Speaker 1: several other members of this administration. And why then we

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Speaker 1: have to take this very seriously. Trump was asked just

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Speaker 1: days ago, is getting rid of Maduro? An option? Here's

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Speaker 1: what he had to say.

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Speaker 3: Let's see what happens.

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Speaker 1: Not an option or not option. We'll see. He had

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Speaker 1: an election that was wrong. It was almost as corrupt

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Speaker 3: Election of twenty twenty.

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Speaker 4: You know that what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say this was much more corrupt, but it

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Speaker 3: was certainly corrupt. But ours was corrupt also.

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Speaker 1: On that.

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Speaker 5: Do you think you will start strife on the main labeuel.

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Speaker 1: We'll see what happened.

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Speaker 5: Look, Venezuela sending us A gang members, they're drug dealers

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Speaker 2: It's not acceptable.

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Speaker 1: It's not an option or not option. We'll see. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's look at the facts. The United States government has

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Speaker 1: a fifty million dollar bounty on Nicholas Maduro, fifty million.

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Speaker 1: The United States military has extraordinary military assets that have

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Speaker 1: only struck boats that are coming from Venezuela. The United

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Speaker 1: this is being conducted with no justification, no authorization by Congress.

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Speaker 1: It's literally adventurism at the craziest level. There's apparently everyone's

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Speaker 1: for example, Maduro overflew jets from the over the US

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Speaker 1: We're in a different world then right now? Now it's

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Speaker 2: Just reverse it and imagine we were the ones who,

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Speaker 2: they say they're drug traffickers. There's zero reason to take them.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they are, but there's zero reason to take them

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Speaker 2: at their word. This is the second boat that they've

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Speaker 2: blown up. The first one had eleven people on it.

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Speaker 2: And you know, as we've covered very little of the

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Speaker 2: drugs that enter this country come directly from Venezuela. Is

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Speaker 2: Venezuela a place that drugs travel through on their way? Sure?

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Speaker 2: Are we talking about boats from Venezuela? Very unusual, and

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Speaker 2: trender Ragua is not involved in that type of international

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Speaker 2: Venezuela already had sanctions placed on them, which is an

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Speaker 2: attempt to topple the regime. By the way, that's the

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Speaker 2: their whole like Juan Guido thing. And there were also

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Speaker 2: to try to directly overthrow this government. The plot failed.

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Speaker 2: We denied any sort of association, but you know, you

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Speaker 2: can read into that whatever you want. John Bolton, remember this,

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Speaker 2: Guess what example? He brought up Venezuela. Now he says, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: When I covered the White House, one of the craziest

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Speaker 1: we still do not have a single explanation about what

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Speaker 1: The absolute vast majority of cocaine that enters the United

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Speaker 1: so preposterous, just from like a very basic level, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's this Cold War hangover plus Venezuela. You know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you have, you know, a failed state

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Speaker 2: violation of international law. They don't even bother to give

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Speaker 2: that the US military can blow up some random dinghy.

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Speaker 2: You know that that happened to come from Venezuela.

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Speaker 1: So for again to deeply disturbing their national laws fake,

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Speaker 2: And this was very ominous. Go back to D zero, guys,

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Speaker 2: on Gaza City, they can blame Ohamas was using them

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Speaker 2: as human shields. That's the reason that they ultimately got killed,

433
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Speaker 2: not the incessant Israeli bombing and by the way, starvation campaign.

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Speaker 2: I also wanted to mention that this is this is

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Speaker 2: significant and perhaps Ryan and Emily will dig into this

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Speaker 2: more tomorrow. But the UN Commission of Inquiry officially concluded

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Speaker 2: that Israel is committing genocide. They're calling on I'm reading

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Speaker 2: from Prem Thoker now. The UN body calls on nations

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Speaker 2: to stop sending weapons to Israel and sure people within

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Speaker 2: their jurisdiction are not aiding or inciting genocide and hold

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Speaker 2: those who are accountable. So for this official UN body

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Speaker 2: to come out with assessment is significant. You know, it's

443
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Speaker 2: not going to matter in the US, but in other

444
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Speaker 2: countries around the world will take this seriously. They do

445
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Speaker 2: have a responsibility to you know, to prevent genocide and

446
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Speaker 2: not aid or insight genocide, so you know, can be

447
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Speaker 2: further pressure on the Israelis and certainly Israelis who are

448
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Speaker 2: trying to travel abroad. So you know, that was a

449
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Speaker 2: significant finding. And then the other piece that we wanted

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Speaker 2: to bring to you guys, if we could put D

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Speaker 2: five up on the screen. Haretz did this investigation into

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Speaker 2: mental breakdowns and suicides within the IDF, but in the

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Speaker 2: context of talking to these soldiers about their trauma from

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Speaker 2: what they saw and what they did in Gaza. They

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Speaker 2: also elicited a bunch of confessions of a variety of

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Speaker 2: war crimes committed against Palestinians by the IDF. Let's go

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Speaker 2: ahead and put a couple of these up on the

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Speaker 2: screen so you can get a sense. This says, for

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Speaker 2: my son, a sniper and then a hall brigade changing

460
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Speaker 2: rules no longer enough. The wound, he describes, is already

461
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Speaker 2: too big. It's gone very deep. It started before. For

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Speaker 2: about two months. Every day we have the same mission

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Speaker 2: to secure the humanitarian aid in the northern Gaza strip.

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Speaker 2: His day and that of his friends begins at three

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Speaker 2: thirty in the morning, accompanied by drones and armored forces.

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Speaker 2: They set up a sniper position and wait. According to him,

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Speaker 2: between seven thirty and eight thirty, the trucks arrive and

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Speaker 2: begin unloading their contents. In the meantime, the residents try

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Speaker 2: to move forward to take a good place in line,

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Speaker 2: but there's a line ahead of them that they do

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Speaker 2: not notice, a line that if they cross, I can

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Speaker 2: shoot them, explains Benny. It's like a game of cat

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Speaker 2: and mouse. They try to come from a different way

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Speaker 2: every time, and I'm there with the sniper rifle and

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Speaker 2: the officers are shouting at me, take it down, take

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Speaker 2: it down. I shoot fifty to sixty bullets every day.

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Speaker 2: I stopped counting x's. That means, das, I have no

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Speaker 2: idea how many I killed a lot children. So that

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Speaker 2: is a description of the That is a confession of

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Speaker 2: the routine AID massacres that journalists, Palestinians, whistleblowers have been

481
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Speaker 2: doctors have been speaking of with regard to aid distribution.

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Speaker 2: I think we have one war for you that we

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Speaker 2: can put up here on the screen. They say they

484
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Speaker 2: forced him, threatened him. The battalion commander would scream of

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Speaker 2: the radio, why aren't you taking off their advancing on us?

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Speaker 2: It's dangerous. He describes an example of the pressure. The

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Speaker 2: feeling is that we're being placed in a possible situation.

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Speaker 2: No one prepared us for it. The officers don't care

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Speaker 2: if children die, nor do they care what it does

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Speaker 2: to my soul. As far as they're concerned, I'm just

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Speaker 2: another tool. So you know, it's kind of gross to

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Speaker 2: frameless in the context of like, oh, these poor soldiers

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Speaker 2: who committed war crimes, now have trauma and stress, but

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Speaker 2: very useful reporting and confessions of these routine war crimes

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Speaker 2: and atrocities. And the fact that this is coming from

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Speaker 2: the top. Remember for so long we were sold soccer.

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Speaker 2: Oh there may be some rogue, bad actors, they're just undisciplined.

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Speaker 2: They need to stop recording this stuff on their phones,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. I mean, now it is just absolutely clear

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Speaker 2: the plan is from the top. This is an intent

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Speaker 2: of leadership, and you know, the the UN just joining

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Speaker 2: the world consensus that this is intentional genocide which has

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Speaker 2: been architected from.

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Speaker 1: Well, if anybody wants to dispute this, it's from Israeli

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Speaker 1: media as.

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Speaker 2: Usual, directly from the idea of soldiers, to quote mister Kirk,

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Speaker 2: probably not Hamas to quote the late mister Kirk.

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Speaker 1: I feel like Israelis can criticize their government more than

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Speaker 1: I can. What a country.

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Speaker 2: Let's get to the updates with regard to Zoron and

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Speaker 2: some very interesting and intriguing comments from Senator Chris van Holland.

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Speaker 2: Senator van Holland of Maryland traveled to Iowa to make

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Speaker 2: some comments and call out Democratic leaders for not endorsing Zoron.

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Speaker 2: Mom Donnie in his race for the New York City mayoralty.

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and take a listen to that.

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Speaker 5: Fellow Americans and Iowans. We are at an inflection point.

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Speaker 5: The country's not going to fix itself. The National Party

518
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Speaker 5: is not going to fix itself by itself. It's up

519
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Speaker 5: to all of us. It's up to all of you,

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Speaker 5: and it means supporting our Democratic nominee in New York

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Speaker 5: City's mayoral race, Zoran Mandami. He is focused on ensuring

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Speaker 5: that people can afford to live in the place that

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Speaker 5: they work. That should be our goal in New York City,

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Speaker 5: Des Moine, and every town and city in place across

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Speaker 5: the United States of America. Donald Trump and New York's

526
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Speaker 5: financial elite see that as a threat, the idea that

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Speaker 5: everybody who works in New York City should be able

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Speaker 5: to afford to live in New York City, and they

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Speaker 5: have mobilized to defeat him. Yet many Democratic members of

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Speaker 5: the Senate and House representing New York have stayed on

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Speaker 5: the sidelines. That kind of spineless politics is what people

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Speaker 5: are sick of. They need to get behind him, and

533
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Speaker 5: get behind him now.

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Speaker 2: So interesting they are both in terms of the content

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Speaker 2: saying this is exactly the kind of spinal politics people

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Speaker 2: are disgusted with the Democratic Party Saga. I think that

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Speaker 2: is absolutely the case. Him directly calling out, you know,

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Speaker 2: the New York Democrats, which would include Chuck Schumer and

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Speaker 2: came Jeffries Kirsten Gillibrand for not endorsing the Democratic nominee

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Speaker 2: Zoraon Mamdani, and also raises the question of whether Chris

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Speaker 2: van Hollins, since this was given in Iowa, maybe himself

542
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Speaker 2: positioning for a presidential one, which is kind of interesting.

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Speaker 2: He has been a bit of a leader, I would

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Speaker 2: say in Trump two point zero. He's the one who

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Speaker 2: flew down to you know, to meet with the Kilmer

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Speaker 2: Abrego Garcia and really made a lot of noise about

547
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Speaker 2: that Abrego Garcia being you know, from having lived in Maryland.

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Speaker 2: So he's also been outspoken in terms of Gaza. Now

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Speaker 2: he's not like where I am. He doesn't call it

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Speaker 2: a genocide, but he did just go alongside another Democratic

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Speaker 2: member and they released a report saying this is ethnic cleansing.

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Speaker 2: So he has been one of the more consistent and

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Speaker 2: courageous voices. He's also one of the ones who went

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Speaker 2: tried to observe the aid distribution. They wouldn't let him

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Speaker 2: on the airplane to do the flo I over. He'd

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Speaker 2: been there earlier as well, you know, were approximate to

557
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Speaker 2: October seventh, also blowing the whistle on Hey, the reason

558
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Speaker 2: sufficient Eid isn't getting in, it's not because of Hamas,

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Speaker 2: It's because of the Israelis. So he has sort of

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Speaker 2: staked down a leadership position for himself. So that was

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Speaker 2: that was kind of interesting. A couple other other things here,

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Speaker 2: there's just this. I think there's a sense now of

563
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Speaker 2: inevitability around Zoran and a lot of politicians, some politicians

564
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Speaker 2: trying to kind of like make their peace with it

565
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Speaker 2: and stake out their position. Kathy Hokel, governor of New York,

566
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Speaker 2: put out this op ed saying, I am endorsing zoron Mamdani.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's crazy that you even had to think

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Speaker 2: about it, since he's the Democratic nominee. She goes out

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Speaker 2: of her way in this piece. Deal. Oh, I disagree

570
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Speaker 2: with him. I disagree with him. I disagree with him,

571
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Speaker 2: but you know, he's our guy and he's better than

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Speaker 2: the alternatives. Haquim Jeffries responded to Chris van Hollins's attack

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Speaker 2: on him, Mister Jeffries has hinted he was moving toward

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Speaker 2: a decision on endorsement. By the way Zoron won his

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Speaker 2: district to Keem Jeffries by like double digits quite handily.

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Speaker 2: Leader h Kim Jefferies will have more to say about

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Speaker 2: the general election well in advance of November fourth, said

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Speaker 2: a spokesman. Meanwhile, confused, New Yorkers are asking themselves the question,

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Speaker 2: Chris Van who, So that's where we are with that. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: it looks like maybe Eric Adams E five is going

581
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Speaker 2: to drop out of the race potentially, but we got

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Speaker 2: these indications before, so we'll see. Tera Rosenbloom reporting two

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Speaker 2: sources tell me New York City Mayor Eric Adams has

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Speaker 2: made a decision will likely drop out of the New

585
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Speaker 2: York City Mayor's race by the end of this week.

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Speaker 2: And I think, in a final sign of desperation, Andrew

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Speaker 2: Cuomo is trying to pretend like he hasn't been stridently

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Speaker 2: pro Israel to the point of even being a lawyer

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Speaker 2: for Benjamin Netanya, who himself New York Times reporting Cuomo,

590
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Speaker 2: staunch supporter of Israel, says horrific Gaza war must end

591
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Speaker 2: remarks our departure for former Governor Andrew Cuomo, who trails

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Speaker 2: Assemblyman Zoron Mom Donnie in New York City mayor's race.

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Speaker 2: And I think this one saga with Cuomo here is

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Speaker 2: maybe the most significant sign of the times, because you recall,

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Speaker 2: in the primary, Clomo really thought it was a winning

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Speaker 2: argument for him to attack Zoron and his opposition to Israel,

597
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Speaker 2: to Zionism and to you know, Israel's genocide in Gutza.

598
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Speaker 2: He's the one who made that an issue in the primary.

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Speaker 2: Now we're in the general election, so presumably a less

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Speaker 2: liberal electorate. So if that message was going to stick anywhere,

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Speaker 2: it would be with the general electorate. And even Cuomo,

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Speaker 2: who has been a consistent, strident defender, is looking at

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Speaker 2: the polls and going, I got to change my tune

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Speaker 2: a little bit if I'm going to have a prayer

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Speaker 2: of winning this mayor's race. And I don't think he

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Speaker 2: has a prayer at this point anyway. But it's more

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Speaker 2: interesting to see that in his last desperate flail, he's

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Speaker 2: realizing even he needs to reposition himself. This is Israel

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Speaker 2: in Gaza.

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Speaker 1: This is what makes Haakim Jo free Sel extraordinary. It's

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Speaker 1: like Governor endorsed him. What are we doing here? It's

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Speaker 1: so obvious around it. This is just what being a

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Speaker 1: democrat is now. It's kind of an interesting prospect actually

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Speaker 1: for how he's going to navigate what it's like to

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Speaker 1: be mayor. I'm pretty curious. You know, mister Zoran is

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Speaker 1: a lot smarter than a lot of his critics give him.

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Speaker 1: For I don't know if you saw he's going to

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Speaker 1: apologize to the NYPD about calling them racist in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: Let that be a lesson. Shit libs is you actually

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Speaker 1: should backtrack on a few things, but if you want

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Speaker 1: to get yourself elected.

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Speaker 2: But on the other hand, he's also going to instruct

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Speaker 2: them that they need to arrest Nan Yahu if he

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Speaker 2: comes into Great True, it's.

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Speaker 1: Equal application of the law. We believe in the law,

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Speaker 1: not defunding the police. And mister chalwar kamis shitlb that

627
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Speaker 1: he used to be, so let it be a lessoned.

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Speaker 1: You know, ditch the shell war and the third world

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Speaker 1: is weirdo act and just you know, put a suit

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Speaker 1: on and be normal, and you yourself can take extra

631
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Speaker 1: ordinary positions and you can get the governor and the

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Speaker 1: Democratic establishment and win the primary and make your way.

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Speaker 1: So I am curious to see in particular how he gets,

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Speaker 1: you know, how he navigates all of this and what

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Speaker 1: it's like. It is very telling to see the Hakim Jeffries,

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Speaker 1: you know, the way that he is reacting because he

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Speaker 1: is the literal leader. I don't know. I just if

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Speaker 1: it just feels tea Party eske to me. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I actually would say for his on Zorn's part, dude,

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Speaker 1: you need to like man up a little bit here

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Speaker 1: and start attacking them straight up. Like maybe not Schumer

642
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Speaker 1: because he's the he's the New York Senator, and I

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Speaker 1: know Hakim Jeffries is from New York as well, but

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Speaker 1: I don't know. At a certain point, take on the

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Speaker 1: Tea Party thing. These corrupt you know, politicians are taking

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Speaker 1: money from their donors and telling them not to endorse me.

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00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: I fight for you and they don't, and you should

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Speaker 1: vote their asses out of office something like take on a

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Speaker 1: posture if they're going to act with such impunity. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: why should you not just take up the call of battle?

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Speaker 2: In terms of the politics of it, that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: I think he also has an eye I mean, he's

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Speaker 2: basically won this or they're a new poll out today

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Speaker 2: that has even if Adams and Sleewood drop out, he's

655
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Speaker 2: still leading Cuomo by double digits, So this race is over.

656
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Speaker 2: I think he has an eye towards governing, and the

657
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 2: New York governor can make your life miserable. Just ask

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Speaker 2: Build Blasio, because when Andrew Cuomo was governor and Doblasio

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00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: was mayor, they were legendarily at each other's throats. Now,

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Speaker 2: Deblasio actually was still able to get through his pre

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Speaker 2: k universal pre K, which was an extraordinary achievement over

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Speaker 2: the fierce objections and roadblocks of Cuomo. But if you

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Speaker 2: are able to have something approximating a working relationship with

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Speaker 2: the governor of New York, your mayoralty is more likely

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Speaker 2: to be successful. Now with regard to Hakim Jeffreys, that's

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Speaker 2: a different deal. You know, I'm sure he is influential

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Speaker 2: in New York. I don't really have a clear picture

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Speaker 2: of how influential or how that works, or what sort

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Speaker 2: of pain he could cause for zor On. But I think,

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Speaker 2: you know, in addition to the Israe peace with Hakim Jeffries,

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Speaker 2: the other part is as Democratic leader. I think he

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Speaker 2: wants to extract some sort of promise from Zoron that

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Speaker 2: he's not going to back other primary challenges. And you know,

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Speaker 2: so what's ironic is that by from Hakim Jeffries holding

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Speaker 2: out and Chuck Schuber holding out in all of these

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Speaker 2: like mainstream Democrats holding out, I think they only spark

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00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: more fury and interest from you know, the left of

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Speaker 2: the party to primary people. Not to mention, let's say

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00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty eight they get their like centrist establishment

680
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 2: Democratic nominee for president, every lefty is going to turn

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Speaker 2: around and say, voge blue no matter who. That didn't

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Speaker 2: apply when we're talking about Zoron. So I think they

683
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: are being very shortsighted and creating a lot of problems

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00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 2: for themselves. And you're right, it does have tea party vibes,

685
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 2: like Zoron is wildly more popular in New York than

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Speaker 2: Hakeem Jeffries or Chuck Schumer. Is.

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Speaker 1: That's why I'm saying he should just take it up

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00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: and be like, no, I'm you know, it's like I'm

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Speaker 1: the captain now bit. Yeah, you know, like the take over. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's I want to see more of that energy. Uh,

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Speaker 1: these these people just got to go.

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Speaker 2: I support that energy, not.

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Speaker 1: Even just for the left thing, because I don't care

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Speaker 1: about a left takeover. I hate this ossified structure. It's undemocratic,

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Speaker 1: it's narcissistic, it's the worst of politics. We need to

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00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: normalize for all parties. When you suck, you gotta go.

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00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: And like that was the best part of the Tea

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Speaker 1: Party energy at its best was just like no, you're done,

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Speaker 1: and I think Democrats need more of that. Yeah, I'd

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Speaker 1: like to.

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Speaker 2: Say that's what that's what the Democratic basis.

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Speaker 1: I know, that's what I'm saying. Zor on the rest

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Speaker 1: of these guys step up, like you know, like go

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Speaker 1: after them, be like screw you. I'm gonna win at

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Speaker 1: this point, Like you will win one, so now like

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Speaker 1: you gotta fight.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look at Platner and Maine. This guy has

708
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 2: never run for anything, comes down and nowhere and now

709
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 2: is like elbowing the sitting governor of Maine potentially on

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Speaker 2: the way. I still think she's gonna run, but I

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00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 2: think she's I think he's going to win the primary,

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00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 2: and he is being more you know, I mean, they

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00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: asked him, will you vote for Chuck Schumer? For leaders

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00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: like no, you know, he didn't mince words about it,

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00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 2: like no, we need to go in a different direction.

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Speaker 2: We'll see who the options are, but not Chuck Schumer.

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00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 2: So this is a It is a winning model. The

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Speaker 2: Democratic base is absolutely hungry for it, and I do

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00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 2: think you're going to see a lot of other mainstream

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Speaker 2: We already saw it with you know, in our interview

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Speaker 2: with Alyssa Slutkin. You're going to see a lot more

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Speaker 2: mainstream Democrats trying to reposition themselves on Israel because they

723
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Speaker 2: realize that they have become wildly out of step with

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Speaker 2: where the Democratic base is and that it's a big

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Speaker 2: problem for them politically.

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Speaker 1: Crystal, what do you take a look at.

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Speaker 2: We are still in the early days of divining these

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00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: specific motivations and downward spiral that led Tyler Robinson to

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Speaker 2: go from Mormon conservative out bringing to public execution of

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Speaker 2: a leading Trump world figure. But one piece of his

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00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 2: ideology is pretty clear edge Lord. According to authorities, the

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Speaker 2: one piece of evidence Robinson intentionally discarded was his weapon

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Speaker 2: and ammunition engraved with various irony laden brain rot internet phrases.

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Speaker 3: The casing on the shot that ended Charlie Kirk's life

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Speaker 3: was engraved with a twelve year old furry bashing meme

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Speaker 3: notices bulge oooh woo, what's that which sells us an

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Speaker 3: important thing? This assassination was a shit post. That is

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Speaker 3: a lens to analyze it through. Another of the casing's

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00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 3: references a video game Hell Divers two and a specific

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Speaker 3: bomb that you could send on your enemies in the

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Speaker 3: game with the command upright down, down down. This command

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00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 3: line sort of became a meme in image boards and

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Speaker 3: where it would be deployed to kind of represent, you know,

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Speaker 3: ending an argument, but almost more so it is just

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00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 3: like if you know you know, and that sort of

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Speaker 3: signals the in group.

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Speaker 1: There.

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Speaker 3: Another of the four casings references Belichow, which is an

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00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 3: Italian anti fascist anthem from the World War two era

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00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 3: that has stuck around and remained very popular online. It's

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00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 3: been used both in left and right wing political contexts,

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Speaker 3: and it's used in a lot of video games. And

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Speaker 3: then the fourth and final shellcasing was engraved with if

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00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 3: you're reading this, you're gay lmao. This was a ship post.

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00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 3: It was designed to be maximumly disruptive and incomprehensible. Cloaked

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00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 3: layer upon layer of irity, so that nobody would know

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00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 3: what he really meant unless they were our guy. This

758
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 3: performs a kind of nihilism that plays really really well

759
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 3: on particular image boards and Discord servers where this guy

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Speaker 3: spent most of his life. And I say most of

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Speaker 3: his life, because that furry meme is from twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 3: He was ten years old when it was first posted

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00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 3: and became popular. He, like you and I, grew up

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00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 3: alongside this part of the Internet that trickled out through

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Speaker 3: the other platforms that we went on and has actually

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Speaker 3: informed and driven a lot of our politics.

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Speaker 2: If you're reading this, you're gay laughing my ass off.

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Speaker 2: The world of Internet memes and blackpill nothing matters. Humor

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Speaker 2: bursting into the real world in the form of a

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Speaker 2: public spectacle of murder the ultimate way I guess to

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Speaker 2: achieve notoriety, both irl and online. To guarantee you live

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00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 2: forever in Internet lore and political history. To enlist yourself

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Speaker 2: as a warrior in some imagined cause, to make it

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00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 2: so your piece of shit life leaves a mark. Robinson

775
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 2: was extremely online apparent, but not in the way that

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Speaker 2: someone like me might have meant it. In the race

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Speaker 2: to turn up a social media footprint for Robinson and

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Speaker 2: uncover the killer's true ideological motives. Internet sluices have come

779
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 2: up pretty up to handing His brand of way too

780
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Speaker 2: online was apparently discord servers, video games, perhaps some black

781
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Speaker 2: Pill meme soaked message boards. That's what we're being told anyway,

782
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Speaker 2: and if this is true, Robinson appears to be part

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Speaker 2: of a broader trend. We are witnessing the rise of

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Speaker 2: the Black Pill killers, predominantly young white male misanthropes meming

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00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 2: themselves into radicalism and violence. You don't have to look

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00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: far for some other examples. In fact, on that very

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Speaker 2: same day that Tyler was allegedly lying on a roof

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Speaker 2: meme laden AMMO in hand, sixteen year old Desmond Holly

789
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Speaker 2: shot up his Denver Ares High school, critically injuring two

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Speaker 2: students before turning the gun on himself. Holly was apparently

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00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 2: fond of neo Nazi symbology and a gore forum called

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Speaker 2: Watch People Die. He linized previous school shooters, including the

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Speaker 2: Columbine Killers, who kicked off the school shooting horror in

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00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 2: the very same county where Holly would then go on

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Speaker 2: to conduct his own rampage According to the Denver Post,

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Speaker 2: Holly's online profile was quote littered with references to mass

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00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 2: shootings and anti Semitic views. A Sheriff's office spokesperson said

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00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 2: he had been quote radicalized through an online extremist network,

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Speaker 2: but has left details of that network vague. Holly also

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Speaker 2: apparently drew inspiration from a different Black Pill, Wisconsin mass shooter,

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00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 2: whose alleged manifesto was titled quote war against Humanity. In

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00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 2: that manifesto, the author writes that humans are filth in

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00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 2: society is a plague, and that their own parents are scum.

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00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 2: This all, of course, follows closely on the heels of

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Speaker 2: the mass shooting at Church of the Annunciation in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 2: That killer, Robin Westman, posted a long YouTube video including

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00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 2: journal writings littered with Internet and cultural references that were

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00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 2: all over the map and very confusing. In particular, Westman's

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00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 2: weapons were inscribed with over one hundred different symbols and

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00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 2: messages things like release the list, nuke India, SKIMBITI, some

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Speaker 2: cyrillic writing, and references to a bunch of other school shooters.

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Speaker 2: Potentially the most revealing inscriptions said quote there is no

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Speaker 2: message now. Some analysts have theorized that Westman may have

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Speaker 2: been radicalized by an online nihilist subculture that glorifies acts

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Speaker 2: of violence, as in group currency called seven sixty four

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Speaker 2: or nine A could be, but who knows. Westman also

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00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 2: had a history of mental illness, intrusive violent thoughts in

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00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 2: suicidal ideation. Trump's attempted assassin, Thomas Matthew Crooks, might also

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00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 2: fit the mold of the Blackpill killer. Like Robinson, Crooks

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00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 2: was a high academic achiever. He scored a fifteen thirty

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00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: on his SAT. Classmates describe him as a bit of

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00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 2: a loner, bit of an outcast, frequently bullied. His Google

823
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 2: history showed that he was searching for information on depression.

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Speaker 2: Authorities have never fully explained a motive for his attempt

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00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 2: on Trump's life, but he was apparently searching for nearby

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Speaker 2: appearances for a whole host of political figures, everybody from

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden to me Garland to Catherine, Princess of Wales.

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Speaker 2: In addition to Trump suggesting he was basically open to

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Speaker 2: murdering a any major political figure who happened to come nearby,

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Speaker 2: officials found a social media account linked to Crooks that

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Speaker 2: they said had allegedly posted extreme antisemitic and anti immigrant content. Now,

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00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: in each instance, the overarching ideology here appears to be nihilism,

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00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 2: the belief that nothing matters, humanity is garbage, the world

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Speaker 2: is ending, everything sucks, and there is no redemption. It

835
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: is this black pill belief that spawns a trans neo

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Speaker 2: Nazi school shooter posting racist internet crap alongside trumpet, or

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Speaker 2: a gun loving white guy scrawling hay fascist catch. In

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Speaker 2: a truly excellent new piece, Ready, de Boorr argues that

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Speaker 2: in these spectacular acts of political violence, we are witnessing

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00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 2: murder as a form of meaning making, with the ideological

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00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 2: content scraped together semi randomly in a desperate attempt by

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00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 2: the killer to cast themselves as part of some broader

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Speaker 2: community and project. Du Boor calls this quote cargo cult

844
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: meaning making. He writes, the tail wags the dog. Acts

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Speaker 2: we have grown to see as expressed meaning are in

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Speaker 2: fact childish attempts to will meaning into being through violence. Now,

847
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 2: this argument is likely going to be the most difficult

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Speaker 2: to accept in the case of Tyler Robinson, who chose,

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Speaker 2: of course, an extremely ideological figure Charlie Kirk as the

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Speaker 2: target for his assassination and inscribed pseudo political phrases on

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Speaker 2: the bullets of Tyler Freddie Wright's quote someone who scrawls

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Speaker 2: an Italian anti fascist slogan onto a bullet casing and

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00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 2: also if you read this you are gay LMAO. As

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00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: well as obscure video game references. This is exactly who

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about. Clearly, he had some sort of ideological urge,

856
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Speaker 2: some sense that his violence should contain meaning, but his

857
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 2: impulses and influences are incoherent. Indeed, that urge has been

858
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: inculcated in online communities that are defined by nothing so

859
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 2: much as well nothing the all consuming lol lol lol

860
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: of contemporary sad young man online culture forum after forum

861
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 2: dominated by an endless race to the bottom of nihilism

862
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 2: and self hatred. Going to guess that right, Robinson has

863
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: not deeply read in the works of Camillo Bernari. I

864
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 2: think instead that he saw some quotes pop up randomly

865
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: in the same formetic and directionless discord servers where he

866
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 2: lived the rest of his life, and thought they would

867
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 2: be cool things to write on a bullet Now we

868
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: may still learn more about Robinson that throws a more

869
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 2: coherent political ideology into relief. But even if we do,

870
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,959
Speaker 2: it will not erase the message he wanted to send

871
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,439
Speaker 2: from those lol nothing matters shit posting bullets the one

872
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 2: thing that he left intentionally at the scene. Now, Crooks

873
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 2: and Robinson are particularly significant. I think they both signal

874
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: the merging of the school shooter archetype with the political

875
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: assassin archetype, social outcast, young white men stewing in a

876
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 2: brew of disaffection, potential mental health issues. It makes sense, though,

877
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 2: doesn't it. If you're looking for notoriety In modern America,

878
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 2: school shootings have become so common they barely raid anymore.

879
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 2: If you want infamy, you're going to have to up

880
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 2: the ante. Political murder still packs that horrific shock, that

881
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 2: actor that these killers apparently crave, And if you're looking

882
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 2: to conjure meaning for a meaningless life, the whole nation

883
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 2: will desperately scramble around looking for clues in order to

884
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 2: assign a coherent ideology. Now, early speculation about Robinson's motive

885
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 2: focused on the possibility he was a Graper. That looks

886
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 2: very unlikely at this point, but a TikTok explaining the

887
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 2: differences between Graper nihilist and Charlie kirkstyle Christian nationalists actually

888
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: helped very effectively to unpack the black pill worldview and

889
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 2: understand why it can be so appealing for so many.

890
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 4: If you're looking at a swirl of cryptic memes and

891
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 4: trying to reverse engineer e motive, you're going to misread

892
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 4: this story. What looks like politics is often subculture. What

893
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 4: looks like a manifesto is sometimes a dare wrapped in

894
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 4: a joke, wrapped in a void. The black Pill is

895
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 4: the conviction that decline is irreversible. If nothing can be redeemed,

896
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 4: then the only creative act is negation, and that's where

897
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 4: accelerationism comes in in this content. Acceleration means pressing on

898
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 4: every social fault line race, gender, religion, class until something breaks.

899
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 4: It is not policy, it's physics. The expectation is collapse

900
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 4: followed by nothing. It packages three things people crave when

901
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 4: they feel powerless, certainty, community and a role. Certainty says

902
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 4: the game is rigged and doom. Community says we are

903
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 4: the ones who get the joke, and a role says

904
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 4: speed the ending. It is a toxic story. It's also tidy,

905
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 4: and it's available twenty four to seven on your phone

906
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 4: The antidote is not to romanticize institutions that have failed people.

907
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 4: It's to refuse the seduction of entropy as identity.

908
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 2: Now it's counterintuitive, at least to me, but I guess

909
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: it can feel good to give up on everything, to

910
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 2: succumb to hopelessness, embrace the fatalism. Uncooked your cook Society

911
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 2: is cooked, and the only thing to do is to

912
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 2: set it all ablaze. The Internet, of course, is acting

913
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 2: as an accelerant here, disconnecting us from real life, from

914
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 2: real human beings, radicalizing some, and launching its twisted fruit

915
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 2: into the real world. But remember, most other countries in

916
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 2: the world have full Internet access, They have gaming, they

917
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 2: have algorithms, AI and message boards. Yet the mass shooting epidemic,

918
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 2: it is a uniquely American epidemic. I suppose it turns out,

919
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 2: when you take the toxic brew of gun culture, hyper individualism,

920
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 2: mass inequality, untreated mental illness, and a failed and unresponsive democracy,

921
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 2: you get a whole lot of young men who feel

922
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 2: like they are doomed to failure and have zero stake

923
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 2: in society. Rage bait algorithms are just gasoline on that fire,

924
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 2: and I fear we are just now beginning to see

925
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 2: the consequences. Freddy deboris something to say about the risks

926
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 2: ahead as well. In a healthy system, we can absorb

927
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 2: the shocking actions of a single or even a handful

928
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 2: of these types of black pill killers. The overall national

929
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 2: landscape would continue to be governed by policy, elections, social structures,

930
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 2: civic life, those sorts of things. Do we live in

931
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 2: a society that feels to you like it's got those

932
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 2: sort of shock absorbers? Right now, we are already watching

933
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 2: as the right launches at witch hunt, declares war on

934
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: the political left, back by the President of the United

935
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 2: States and his most powerful advisor, Stephen Miller. There is

936
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: no seeming end to the cultural and material factors as

937
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 2: well that have sent so many young men spiraling into

938
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 2: the sort of online oblivion. As Freddie writes, quote, there's

939
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 2: a moment when the ambient, low level radiation of purposeless

940
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 2: violence ceases to be mere noise and becomes the trigger

941
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 2: for a terminal feedback loop. We appear poised at the

942
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 2: event horizon of a cascade where the smallest act committed

943
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 2: in the absence of ideology could initiate a period of

944
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 2: truly ugly and spectacular public violence, a kinetic reaction that

945
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 2: will reshape the social phase space with terrifying, unpredictable certainty. Indeed,

946
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 2: we are all, I think, filled with a sense of

947
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,959
Speaker 2: existential dread that while Charlie Kirk might be the first,

948
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 2: he will almost certainly not be the last. And this

949
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 2: is sober. The thing that is most disturbing to me

950
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 2: is we can all see these and if

951
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