Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty arm Strong
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Speaker 2: The other day we talked about how America's government schools
Speaker 2: are failing and read a fair amount of an unbelievably good,
Speaker 2: shockingly good piece from The Atlantic entitled America's sliding toward Illiteracy.
Speaker 2: And as Greg Guttfeld points out here, the philosophies that
Speaker 2: have ruined American schools are operating above the border as well.
Speaker 3: It's far worse in schools.
Speaker 1: Listen to this Canadian professor.
Speaker 4: I have worked with four and five year olds in
Speaker 4: schools who have genders that their parents don't want them
Speaker 4: to have. Parents' rights have suddenly been weaponized against trans
Speaker 4: and non binary and two spirit youth. I want us
Speaker 4: to get really comfortable with challenging right wing Christian patriarchy.
Speaker 4: I want to say things like, you can do work
Speaker 4: around sexual orientation and gender diversity with children of all ages,
Speaker 4: and so I want us to think about these conversations
Speaker 4: in kindergarten.
Speaker 2: Of course you do you sick, repulsive, repulsive, repulsive, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it is absolutely repulsive. That is a dedicated Neomarxist because
Speaker 2: they want to erase all of the.
Speaker 1: Binaries.
Speaker 2: It gets into political theory, but that's somebody wants to
Speaker 2: sexualize children early and then convince them that they are
Speaker 2: an oppressed gender. Sexuality because Workers of the World unit
Speaker 2: turned into we actually got an email saying, Joe, what
Speaker 2: do you mean by neo Marxist. I've explained this many times,
Speaker 2: but I'm de lighted to explain it many more times.
Speaker 1: If that's what it takes.
Speaker 2: Workers of the World Unite, and Greg Lukianov actually referred
Speaker 2: to this Last Hour didn't work because the workers of
Speaker 2: the World are like, you know, I'm getting paid okay,
Speaker 2: and I'm up for shop foreman next month, and you know, honestly,
Speaker 2: I'm starting a side business, so thanks. I'm not going
Speaker 2: to throw off my chains and embrace communism. My life
Speaker 2: isn't that bad. So when that failed in the twentieth century,
Speaker 2: the dedicated Marxists thought, okay, what do we do now,
Speaker 2: And some of those French guys we were mentioning Last
Speaker 2: Hour came up with every minority of the World unite.
Speaker 2: Racial minorities weren't quite enough, so they started to invent
Speaker 2: sexual minorities and to spirit and all sorts of queer
Speaker 2: theory and gender theory and all this trying to convince
Speaker 2: everybody that they're an oppressed minority. That was the plan
Speaker 2: of Neo Marxism that came out of the French intellectual
Speaker 2: salons in the twentieth century. Like the sixty I think
Speaker 2: was the real hot time of it, and this seventies,
Speaker 2: these guys were celebrated as great thinkers, including by the
Speaker 2: left in the US anyway, So that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: We got a hell of a lot of reaction from
Speaker 2: educators to our discussion of the Atlantic piece and some
Speaker 2: of the miserable, miserable stats going on.
Speaker 1: In American education right now.
Speaker 2: The lead of the Atlantic pieces the past decade may
Speaker 2: rank is one of the worst in the history of
Speaker 2: American education. It marks a stark reversal from what was
Speaker 2: once a hopeful story. And if the Atlantic is saying that,
Speaker 2: babe whoo, things are bad.
Speaker 1: So onto the reaction.
Speaker 2: I'm going to keep everybody anonymous here, but Aleen Anonymous
Speaker 2: is from a fairly small town in Idaho who says
Speaker 2: I'm an avid listener.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: And wanted to share my experience of teaching in a
Speaker 2: small town, very red North Idaho. You are correct in
Speaker 2: saying that education is liberal everywhere. What I said was,
Speaker 2: I don't care if your state or your town is
Speaker 2: ruby red. There is a sapphire blue patch. It is
Speaker 2: your local schools anyway. She goes on. The kids in
Speaker 2: my school are allowed to wear tails and ears. They
Speaker 2: identify as animals. Teachers openly discuss their contempt for conservative
Speaker 2: values and traditional families. They mock parents who have chosen
Speaker 2: to pull their children from schools to home school. They
Speaker 2: find it ridiculous that parents are allowed to see the
Speaker 2: curriculum at all, and to see all the curriculum that
Speaker 2: we use. When we moved here six years ago, I
Speaker 2: naively thought I would be entering a place where we
Speaker 2: would encounter like minded educators.
Speaker 1: I was sorely mistaken.
Speaker 2: I will say that the indoctrination is more subtle than
Speaker 2: the parents are watching for it. But even in a
Speaker 2: county that went seventy six percent for Trump, it is
Speaker 2: alive and well in the schools.
Speaker 1: Keep that in mind.
Speaker 2: It's because the critical theory stuff I've been talking about
Speaker 2: caught hold first in the colleges of education in the
Speaker 2: United States. That's where the infection established itself before it spread.
Speaker 2: I won't bore you with the history of it, but
Speaker 2: trust me when I say that it's true. Long note
Speaker 2: from anonymous here. We'll see how much we can get to.
Speaker 2: But it's absolutely fantastic, and now we thank you for it.
Speaker 2: It's spring break, so I'm listening in real time. Everything
Speaker 2: you too are saying about education is one hundred percent accurate,
Speaker 2: and you may even be underplaying it a.
Speaker 1: Bit aka under egging the pudding. Appreciate this sense humor.
Speaker 2: I'm closing in on twenty five years in the classroom,
Speaker 2: and I have seen the decline happen in real time.
Speaker 2: Most of us could see it coming as policies were
Speaker 2: being implemented but were powerless as the Unions, government and
Speaker 2: education schools have created an unholy alliance of far left
Speaker 2: training grounds in our public charter and in some cases
Speaker 2: private schools. Yeah, we're aware of that. Some of those
Speaker 2: high dollar schools in Manhattan or are as insane as anybody.
Speaker 2: These policies were implemented behind the buzzwords equity, inclusion, belonging.
Speaker 1: We're all aware of that.
Speaker 2: Have acted as a trojan horse into the mainstream of
Speaker 2: public education. I can even nail down two points in
Speaker 2: time when the changes started. Older teachers may have conflicting timelines,
Speaker 2: but the first was in two thousand and seven when
Speaker 2: our superintendent at the time decraded that there would be
Speaker 2: no more f's as grades and no more suspensions from school.
Speaker 2: That was prime Obama philosophy time. That's when that philosophy
Speaker 2: that he espoused started to take hold in schools, before
Speaker 2: he was pushing it audibly anyway. The next major change
Speaker 2: was spring of twenty sixteen, when our professional development began
Speaker 2: focusing on pronouns and seeing everything through the lens of
Speaker 2: race rather than teaching practices.
Speaker 1: That's phenon in FUCO and critical theory.
Speaker 2: UH do because the way you wake up quote unquote,
Speaker 2: as the Marxists would say, the races to unite and
Speaker 2: throw off the change of capitalism in Western civilization is
Speaker 2: you've got to convince them they're oppressed, even if they
Speaker 2: have good lives. Hence seeing everything through the lens of race.
Speaker 2: Right back to the email. All of this was set
Speaker 2: up around the goal of no dropouts and one hundred
Speaker 2: percent graduation rate. As you two have pointed out, many
Speaker 2: times bunch of measure becomes a target, it ceases to
Speaker 2: be a good measure. These two major shifts and resulting
Speaker 2: goals have acted under as umbrellas under which a myriad
Speaker 2: of changes have occurred. I'm throwing this together off the cuff,
Speaker 2: but I could literally write a book about this topic.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and, as he points out, no dropouts, one hundred
Speaker 2: percent graduation sounds wonderful unless you throw away all of
Speaker 2: your standards to get there. Right back to the email,
Speaker 2: what happened next was a slow burn, but to no
Speaker 2: one's surprised. Once students figured out there were no consequences
Speaker 2: for anything, behavior gradually became worse in grades plummeted. Once
Speaker 2: the grades plummeted, administrators began pressuring teachers to inflate grades,
Speaker 2: not just f's to d's, but fs to at least
Speaker 2: c's are better. If you pushed back, life could get
Speaker 2: real uncomfortable very quickly. If you really dig your heels in,
Speaker 2: a counselor or admin will just change the grade, and
Speaker 2: now you're seen as a troublemaker. If building principle went
Speaker 2: against these policies, they were either moved or nudge toward retirement.
Speaker 2: District administrators were subject to gatekeeping regarding their beliefs, meeting
Speaker 2: decision makers who matter. We're all soon on the same page.
Speaker 2: That's the DEI. DEI doesn't mean diversity, equity and inclusion.
Speaker 2: All it means is more neomarxists. And do you notice
Speaker 2: how is never a black conservative, for instance, who is
Speaker 2: included in the eye of inclusion?
Speaker 1: Never? Never, never.
Speaker 2: Some of my colleagues enthusiastically jumped on board well. Others
Speaker 2: went along just to get along. Some of us complained
Speaker 2: under our breath, but decided to try our best. Is
Speaker 2: still teach our butts off every day and do what's
Speaker 2: best for students. It worked for a while, but it's
Speaker 2: caught up to us now. All the veteran teachers I
Speaker 2: know with more than twenty years of experience are tired,
Speaker 2: beaten down, and miserable. Those close enough to retirement are lucky,
Speaker 2: but many, like myself, are too far away from the
Speaker 2: end to take solace in knowing we'll just have to
Speaker 2: make it another year or two. It's like swimming across
Speaker 2: a river when you're too far away from shore to
Speaker 2: get to the other side, and too far away to
Speaker 2: go turn back. Here's what I'm seeing every day that
Speaker 2: most people don't understand. I teachap classes with upper grades
Speaker 2: of high school. These are kids who are applying to
Speaker 2: in and often cases getting into good universities. Most of
Speaker 2: my students are nice, polite kids who mean well. In
Speaker 2: some cases, they are eager to learn, but they haven't
Speaker 2: been conditioned how to be students in the sense that
Speaker 2: their attention spans are very short and they don't process
Speaker 2: information well. Some people may take issue with the term conditioning,
Speaker 2: but there are parameters of behaviors and skills people are
Speaker 2: expected to work within in any given situation. Some may
Speaker 2: call it professionalism in the workplace, as no job allows
Speaker 2: you to behave like you, do like you and only
Speaker 2: do the tasks you feel like doing. Okay, we don't
Speaker 2: even do that in our own homes, feeding ourselves and
Speaker 2: doing laundry or required. Students are allowed to show up
Speaker 2: to whatever class, whenever, say whatever, and do whatever they please.
Speaker 2: The students with self discipline stand out. While most students
Speaker 2: don't complete assignments and have no idea what it looks
Speaker 2: like to study. They fall apart if subjects get difficult
Speaker 2: and it's almost impossible to approach a nuanced discussion around
Speaker 2: a controversial topic. Students no emotion and feeling. But that's
Speaker 2: about it. Education has never been perfect. I didn't get
Speaker 2: the greatest high school education. But kids are getting screwed
Speaker 2: now between low skill level and an increasing inability to think,
Speaker 2: we are dooming these young people to a difficult future.
Speaker 2: We got here via many of the policies you too
Speaker 2: have talked about on your show. Equitable grading practice is
Speaker 2: requiring a fifty percent grade for a missing assignment rather
Speaker 2: than a zero. Every examine. Assignment is allowed to be
Speaker 2: taken over and over again. Restorative practices and conversations when
Speaker 2: students break the rules. There is a very good chance
Speaker 2: your child is sitting in a classroom with another student
Speaker 2: who everyone knows is committed a violent crime at school,
Speaker 2: and they still get to be in school. Kids will
Speaker 2: sometimes take honors or advanced classes way above their skill
Speaker 2: level so they can be in a safe environment. Funding
Speaker 2: is going to administration rather than into the classroom, where
Speaker 2: more staff and materials are needed. Teachers often have to
Speaker 2: spend a ton of time cobbling together material and curriculum
Speaker 2: to survive the disciplinary tasks, writing referrals and calling home
Speaker 2: to an unanswered phone. Those things take a back seat.
Speaker 2: This is just scratching the surface of issues. Like I said,
Speaker 2: I could write a book. Public education is salvageable, but
Speaker 2: it's going to take an army of dedicated parents, teachers, legislation,
Speaker 2: and community members, and it's going to be a fight,
Speaker 2: requiring years of patients and hard work. First, and most
Speaker 2: immediate for parents, help us out with the phones. No
Speaker 2: kid in elementary school needs a smartphone. I may even
Speaker 2: suggest no kid under the age of sixteen needs one.
Speaker 2: It's only necessary now because we've allowed it. And then
Speaker 2: he says, I get it. I understand why people have them,
Speaker 2: but we've got to stop. Second, pay attention to who
Speaker 2: is on your school board. This is the most important
Speaker 2: elected position in your life right now. The activist groups
Speaker 2: are pouring truckloads of money into school board races because
Speaker 2: they are vital, and no one pays attention. Go to meetings,
Speaker 2: listen to what they say. Your school board member impacts
Speaker 2: your way of life more than Trump or AOC. It's
Speaker 2: not politically sexy, but make it that way. Pay attention
Speaker 2: to who is getting the admin jobs. Never vote for
Speaker 2: a school board candidate who is an activist. Never vote
Speaker 2: for a candidate who is a union member teacher in
Speaker 2: another district. Never vote for someone who has crazy crap
Speaker 2: in their social media. Never vote for a candidate who
Speaker 2: uses any of the DEI buzzwords, even if they don't
Speaker 2: know what they mean. If there is only one candidate
Speaker 2: on the ballot and they fit one of these categories,
Speaker 2: run against them yourself and make them publicly take a
Speaker 2: stand on grading behavior and where the money should go.
Speaker 2: Also feel free to stay away from crazy people on
Speaker 2: the right as well. And you lists some same ghost
Speaker 2: for a city council, But the school board thing is
Speaker 2: incredibly important.
Speaker 1: It goes on for several more paragraphs.
Speaker 2: It's beautifully written, mister anonymous, thank you so much for
Speaker 2: taking the time.
Speaker 1: We're going to check in with Jack.
Speaker 2: Any reaction to that drop is a note mail bag
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Speaker 5: The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that prices for nearly
Speaker 5: everything rose by nine tenths of one percent between February
Speaker 5: and March, and three point three percent from last March
Speaker 5: to this with Iran closing down a crucial supply channel
Speaker 5: for oil. Gasoline was a major driver of last month's
Speaker 5: increasing consumer prices. Energy costs are up twelve and a
Speaker 5: half percent in the past thirteen months.
Speaker 2: When energy goes up, everything goes up up. Is it
Speaker 2: a trend or a blip? Nobody knows. Please welcome the
Speaker 2: co host of the show to the show live from
Speaker 2: the Heartland, Salana, Kansas, not Selena, not Selena's Salina, Kansas.
Speaker 1: Jack Armstrong, Hello, Jack.
Speaker 6: You know so in places up three point three percent.
Speaker 6: What are people saying about that? That's the most in
Speaker 6: a couple of years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's all Gulf related. Yeah, I ain't good.
Speaker 1: That's not good.
Speaker 6: I was just reading an interesting thing about, uh, how
Speaker 6: difficult it is for the Secret Service guarantee the security
Speaker 6: of JD vans over there in Pakistan doing negotiating because
Speaker 6: that government is very shaky in terms of their ability
Speaker 6: to control things. So, uh, Islam as fundamentalist nut jobs
Speaker 6: could make it very dangerous for our legotiating team to
Speaker 6: be there.
Speaker 2: And the government plays foot seat with various radical groups
Speaker 2: just to keep them from taking out the government.
Speaker 1: Boy, that'd be a he kind of thing.
Speaker 6: Suddenly, something to keep a person's eye.
Speaker 1: Tell you today, it's been great fun.
Speaker 2: We had a hell of a nice conversation with Greg
Speaker 2: lukianoff from Fire and I read and I'm sorry you
Speaker 2: missed this. I read a couple of emails from educators
Speaker 2: reacting to our segment on America's sliding into illiteracy, worst
Speaker 2: decade in American education from The Atlantic.
Speaker 1: Powerful stuff. I will just tell you this.
Speaker 2: Everybody said one hundred percent right, and you guys may
Speaker 2: have underplayed it.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, wow, up.
Speaker 6: Against a pretty powerful force.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but near once. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, the teachers' unions and the teachers colleges which are
Speaker 2: radical left and uh and uh and government too. But
Speaker 2: one thing, one thing that several emails had in common,
Speaker 2: including the one I'm holding in my hand, is calling
Speaker 2: out the parents.
Speaker 1: Where are the parents?
Speaker 2: Know what's being taught, Know your teacher, Go to school
Speaker 2: board meetings, figure out who running, and vote accordingly.
Speaker 1: Don't vote for activists.
Speaker 2: They're all crazy, they're well, they're Marxists, or they're well
Speaker 2: meaning softtheads who don't realize.
Speaker 1: They're doing the works the work of the Marxists. Anyway.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it seems like the whole country, or half the
Speaker 6: country anyway, to sleep the switch on the whole public
Speaker 6: education thing. For many decades now, just assuming that it
Speaker 6: would be, you know, just cruise along the way it
Speaker 6: was years ago.
Speaker 1: But clearly enough case.
Speaker 2: Are you going to get a cozy berger as a
Speaker 2: gesture and support of free speech?
Speaker 1: We were talking about that yesterday.
Speaker 6: Yes, it is gotten national attention and a number of
Speaker 6: major litigation groups who fight for free speech or fighting
Speaker 6: for the freedom of this burger place to have a
Speaker 6: mural on its side.
Speaker 1: Anyway, you short.
Speaker 6: Answer the questions, yes, I'm going to get a cozy Burger?
Speaker 2: Excellent, excellent. What else is on your mind news wise
Speaker 2: this morning? Anything in particular? Are you just doing the
Speaker 2: family thing?
Speaker 6: I'm just doing the family thing, really and realizing what
Speaker 6: it's like to live the way most people probably do.
Speaker 6: They don't, you know, pay attention to the news on
Speaker 6: a twenty four hour news cycle, and surely not on
Speaker 6: your mind that much. Yeah, in in the airport yesterday
Speaker 6: and hang out on planes and you know, nobody's talking
Speaker 6: about the news of the day at all.
Speaker 2: Right, was Traffle not a nightmare? Because if it's not
Speaker 2: a nightmare, you've won the lottery.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 6: It couldn't have been easier. Nothing was crowded anywhere, and
Speaker 6: no delays of any kind or anything like that.
Speaker 2: So we're joking that this segment would be a little short,
Speaker 2: and I was going to bump you like a guest
Speaker 2: who didn't quite get on the tonight's show. But we'll
Speaker 2: read books, Jack Armstrong, Sorry we couldn't get to you,
Speaker 2: but boy, what a show we had.
Speaker 1: Blah blah.
Speaker 2: Mike Lyons is coming up next segment. We're going to
Speaker 2: figure out what's going on. We're going to figure out
Speaker 2: what's going on in the Gulf.
Speaker 1: No we're not.
Speaker 2: We're going to try to figure out any aspect of
Speaker 2: what's going on right now and comprehend it.
Speaker 6: So I'm going to figure out how to listen to
Speaker 6: that because I'm pretty interested in myself.
Speaker 2: All right, go enjoy the family and beautiful Salina and
Speaker 2: tell the town I miss it, and thanks for launching
Speaker 2: our careers.
Speaker 6: Talk to you like myself to the cozy Berger.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, ship me a bag of them before you do.
Speaker 2: All right, much more to come. If you can't stick around,
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Speaker 3: Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 7: If Iran wants to let this negotiation fall apart. In
Speaker 7: a conflict where they were getting hammered over Lebanon, which
Speaker 7: has nothing to do with them, and which the United
Speaker 7: States never once said was part of the ceasefire. That's
Speaker 7: ultimately their choice. We think that would be dumb, but
Speaker 7: that's their choice.
Speaker 2: The dizzying situation in the golf and straysa herle mooz,
Speaker 2: the US, Iran, Israel, Lebanon and all the players. Let's
Speaker 2: dive right into it with military analyst Mike Lyons. Mike, welcome, how.
Speaker 1: Are you today?
Speaker 8: And Jo Great to be back with you.
Speaker 1: Great, always good to have you.
Speaker 2: So, you know, I think both of us have probably
Speaker 2: read about studied various peace agreements through history and how
Speaker 2: some of them were a bit rocky or you know,
Speaker 2: there are hidden elements that the layman didn't learn about
Speaker 2: until many years later. But I don't recall anything as
Speaker 2: wobbly and complicated as this in recent memory.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I've never seen sides so far apart. I mean,
Speaker 8: I guess the fifteen points on our side versus the
Speaker 8: ten on their side. They are the most maximalist demands
Speaker 8: you've ever seen coming from Iran or from really any country,
Speaker 8: basically saying that they could do whatever they want, whenever
Speaker 8: they want to do it, and they'll do whatever they
Speaker 8: want to another country whenever they want to do it
Speaker 8: to them too. So I don't know where this will start,
Speaker 8: you know, Trump, I think originally the beginning of the
Speaker 8: week with a lot of his tweets and comments where
Speaker 8: he's just trying to out crazy the crazy people on
Speaker 8: some level talking to the Iranians and language they understand.
Speaker 8: I'm just not sure they understand any language. I'm just
Speaker 8: not sure this is going to go anywhere. They just
Speaker 8: don't have a history of negotiating anything, any you know,
Speaker 8: giving in on anything on whatsoever. I think the Obama
Speaker 8: administration was completely you know, taken to the woodshed by
Speaker 8: these guys, and they're going to try. We'll see what happens.
Speaker 2: So is that line of thought leading to the conclusion
Speaker 2: that the only thing we can do is so reduce
Speaker 2: their capabilities that the intransigent maniacs that run around just
Speaker 2: won't be as dangerous.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that's really where we are. We're back
Speaker 8: to a containment foreign policy. If we can't you get
Speaker 8: some kind of resolution within the next fourteen days, I
Speaker 8: don't think it's going to take fourteen days. I think
Speaker 8: we're going to draw this conclusion that they're not going
Speaker 8: to give in on anything before that. The Vice President's
Speaker 8: comment about this being linked to Hezela is exactly the point.
Speaker 8: I mean, Israel has its own security concerns, and you
Speaker 8: know the fact that the country with nine million people
Speaker 8: still punching up against the country with ninety million and
Speaker 8: doing pretty well. You know, there's a lot of other
Speaker 8: potential solutions there. The French could get involved with Lebanon
Speaker 8: and help the Lebanese government disarm Hesbela.
Speaker 1: That's there.
Speaker 8: I mean, think about Hesbela. It's kind of like a
Speaker 8: cancer or kind of you know that that infected US
Speaker 8: country for so many years, and and and the the
Speaker 8: civilians and the government does nothing about it. Well, the French,
Speaker 8: which was what, you know, their influence was there, if
Speaker 8: they'd like to get in the game, they could, They
Speaker 8: could possibly help the Lebanese government do that has blows
Speaker 8: never been any weaker. But they don't have the military.
Speaker 8: They don't really choose to do anything. They just continue
Speaker 8: to send virtual signaling statements some from Paris and and
Speaker 8: hope the United States continues to get the job done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw the quote from Norman Schwartzkop recently that
Speaker 2: I love that going into battle without the French is
Speaker 2: like going hunting without an accordion.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, he yeah, you know again these countries,
Speaker 8: their perception of their strength and reality versus the actual
Speaker 8: reality of it real politic is just you know again
Speaker 8: the Grand Canyon, it's iss. Why does this un or
Speaker 8: on debate right now? And so in the UK is
Speaker 8: the same way. I mean, there's there's going to be
Speaker 8: real consequences over their actions within the NATO alliance. You know,
Speaker 8: the NATO Alliance is not going away. I think that
Speaker 8: it's going to be strong to have. But there again,
Speaker 8: their perception of their reality and their actual strength that
Speaker 8: remains to be seeing. Look, the French have nuclear weapons though,
Speaker 8: that's the other thing to this. I mean, so they
Speaker 8: can decide to maybe back off and that men then
Speaker 8: control Spain, but the Germans don't. The Germans, we don't
Speaker 8: want them to have nuclear weapons. We don't know. There's
Speaker 8: there's other issues about that nuclear non proliferation that we
Speaker 8: want to keep and that's one of the things that
Speaker 8: ties NATO together.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was going to feature a little bit later on
Speaker 2: the show an absolutely terrific piece of writing. I came
Speaker 2: across by a woman who's an author and commentator and
Speaker 2: thinker on this sort of issue, and the piece is
Speaker 2: entitled why the West won't call this a Holy war?
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking about Hesbelah in Lebanon, which, if people
Speaker 2: aren't familiar, it's a it's a heavily armed political party
Speaker 2: that's also an army.
Speaker 1: If you can picture the insanity.
Speaker 2: That Israel quote unquote coming to an agreement and a
Speaker 2: peace agreement with Hesbela at this point, that just that's
Speaker 2: fantas a sea land, isn't it, especially from the Israeli perspective.
Speaker 8: Exactly, this is not you know, the ira that years
Speaker 8: ago decided to put its arms down to become part
Speaker 8: of the political process, joined the current government there and
Speaker 8: had a representative and the like. But this is not
Speaker 8: this is this is a fight for survival on their side.
Speaker 8: This is die to the death.
Speaker 1: This is there.
Speaker 8: This is how they operate, and it's you know, similar
Speaker 8: to what happened in the Second World War in terms
Speaker 8: of how how badly you know those countries at the
Speaker 8: time looked Japan. Japan had a tremendous tactical victory in
Speaker 8: December seventh, but look where that ended up leading to
Speaker 8: it ended up being to the fundamental demise of their
Speaker 8: country back back then. And and I think that's the
Speaker 8: same historical analogy taking place right now. The the Arab
Speaker 8: nation or the you know, the the terrorist organizations has
Speaker 8: Blahamas and Iran has this great tactical victory on October seventh,
Speaker 8: few years back then, but it's going to lead to
Speaker 8: their downfall for sure.
Speaker 2: I certainly hope it does. More on that to come.
Speaker 2: We're talking to military analysts and Mike Lions. So Mike,
Speaker 2: let's say, get down to brass tacks. Is there any
Speaker 2: opening the straits of or moves without the consent of
Speaker 2: whoever is running Iran?
Speaker 8: Doesn't look like it looks like the IRGC still controls
Speaker 8: it because the threat is still coming from a military perspective.
Speaker 8: It's those coastline batteries that could potentially fire on a
Speaker 8: container vessel or a ship that's going there, and ballistic missiles.
Speaker 8: There's still minds there. We could we could use the
Speaker 8: help of the British and other data countries that have
Speaker 8: some capability with some of their mind sweeping and then
Speaker 8: also some of the asymmetrical fast boating that takes place,
Speaker 8: and so no insurance company is still going to get
Speaker 8: involved right now. So I think I think the next
Speaker 8: military mission is going to be looking for the Navy
Speaker 8: to really force that issue and protect carriers and protect
Speaker 8: protect the container ships going through there. You're going to
Speaker 8: see possibly a step up escort mission. I know the
Speaker 8: Navy's been hesitant to do that from ICE sources, but
Speaker 8: I think that's what the President's going to ask the
Speaker 8: Navy soon to do.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Okay, it changed topics completely. Another really interesting piece
Speaker 2: of journalism I came across was a gal whose name
Speaker 2: I don't recall, but she was embedded with the NATO
Speaker 2: troops as they were doing drone training in Estonia.
Speaker 1: I think it was last week.
Speaker 2: And that's obviously a fascinating topic, and it was David
Speaker 2: Petraeus was over there at least commenting on it, and
Speaker 2: he said, look, you need to understand this is changing
Speaker 2: the face of warfare completely.
Speaker 1: How do you think.
Speaker 2: We're doing on that learning curve the United States and
Speaker 2: our allies.
Speaker 8: Well, we're hanging on to it. We're watching closely and
Speaker 8: we try to import some of that technology into what
Speaker 8: we're doing. I mean, you saw for example, the fact
Speaker 8: that we're locating this pilot using some heart murmur technology
Speaker 8: that can pick him out forty miles away based on AI.
Speaker 1: So was that right? I hadn't heard that. Yeah, to
Speaker 1: ask more about that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So I mean again, with these kind of conflicts,
Speaker 8: all this technology comes off the shelf, and this technology
Speaker 8: was able to find him, help locate him using AI
Speaker 8: by it is heart rate by his heart marble and
Speaker 8: so yeah, I mean so again this and so now
Speaker 8: bring that same mentality. Ukraine gets up every day and
Speaker 8: figures out how it's going to survive. So they have
Speaker 8: to figure out how to close the kill chain right
Speaker 8: this time and distance between when they know there's a
Speaker 8: target and when they can kill the target. And what
Speaker 8: they've done is just phenomenal. They're industrial military complex in
Speaker 8: terms of building the drone technology, the software, the implement
Speaker 8: in it, and then once it's uh faces off to
Speaker 8: the enemy and they see the reaction to it, changing
Speaker 8: the software so it becomes more survivable. Ukraine has been
Speaker 8: incredible in terms of that that kill chain from a
Speaker 8: military's perspective in helping them survive and it's it's definitely
Speaker 8: the future of warfare.
Speaker 1: And you would know this a lot better than I would.
Speaker 2: I've told the procurement process has in the past been well,
Speaker 2: it can make a person insane, whereas now you know
Speaker 2: it's got to be If I need a certain drill bit,
Speaker 2: I run to the store. I've got that drill bit
Speaker 2: in twenty minutes. Now that's not practical. But what about
Speaker 2: that topic and how we need to change your procurement give.
Speaker 8: You a shameless self promotion. A couple of months ago,
Speaker 8: I wrote an article for Real Clear Defense on the
Speaker 8: new systems, the new playbook in order to succeed in
Speaker 8: doing that if you're a startup innovative company, because Pete
Speaker 8: Haxsett has changed that. He's changed the entire process of
Speaker 8: how you can bring this lethality to the war fighters.
Speaker 8: And it's all about taking things commercially off the shelf
Speaker 8: and getting them quickly to the hands of the war fighters.
Speaker 8: Innovation centers like Softworks in Tampa, Florida, working with special
Speaker 8: operators and again shrinking that that this this distance in
Speaker 8: time between when when they need something and ten well
Speaker 8: actually shows up on the battlefield. So I urge your
Speaker 8: listeners to go take a look at that article. If
Speaker 8: they if they're doing an innovative startup company and help
Speaker 8: them to get to get to do government work, because
Speaker 8: that's what this is all about. They're trying to break
Speaker 8: that cycle of these long acquisitions. It's called the value
Speaker 8: of death when you have a good idea and it
Speaker 8: dies in between what you get funding for it. This,
Speaker 8: this Trump administration is trying to do that, and I
Speaker 8: think that's a that's a really good move.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Thingly enough, my brother is in that very line of work. Mike,
Speaker 2: send us a link to that article. Why don't we
Speaker 2: we post it so everybody can can flock to it
Speaker 2: and read it.
Speaker 8: Yeah for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, Military analyst Mike Lions Mike, as always, we
Speaker 2: appreciate the thoughts and the wisdom. Great to talk to you,
Speaker 2: and have a good weekend.
Speaker 1: Thanks to you.
Speaker 2: To have a great one, all right, thanks thanks. Uh Yeah,
Speaker 2: where this goes? Nobody knows.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: Maybe I lack imagination, but I'm using my feeble brain
Speaker 2: power such as it is, to try to figure out
Speaker 2: how we get from this side is on is saying
Speaker 2: these things and demanding these things, and this side is
Speaker 2: you know, got its own set of demands and they
Speaker 2: are utterly incompatible. Uh, the Iranian regime is completely intransigent.
Speaker 2: They're either religious fanatics or dead enders because they will be,
Speaker 2: as Jack likes to put it, hung upside down in
Speaker 2: the town square as the end of their days. If
Speaker 2: they don't hold on to power. There's there's gonna be
Speaker 2: no saying, hey, I said some harsh things. You said
Speaker 2: some harsh things. I tortured dissidents. You know, we all
Speaker 2: make mistakes. You can have power now. No, these people
Speaker 2: are gonna be killed, so they are dead enders. On
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Speaker 2: Got a couple of things I want to shoehorn into
Speaker 2: the next segment, including one of the best examples I've
Speaker 2: ever heard, straight out of her own mouth, of the
Speaker 2: way liberal Supreme Court justices think and the difference between
Speaker 2: that way of thinking and a conservative justice thinking.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: Plus, Katie Broughts is the headline an hour or so ago,
Speaker 2: an hour and a half ago about if you're not
Speaker 2: doing well on dating sites, it might be because of your
Speaker 2: quote unquote digital body language. I've got to known, I
Speaker 2: gotta know what that is. I know less about dating
Speaker 2: websites than astrophysics other than you know just what I've
Speaker 2: heard and read, so I can't wait to hear this,
Speaker 2: among other things.
Speaker 3: Oh and I'll let you know. And it's it's shortened
Speaker 3: to the DBL.
Speaker 2: There, Joe, Digital body language is DBL the DBL.
Speaker 1: Right, all right, is it a trend? Are we going
Speaker 1: to talk about a trend?
Speaker 2: No, the word trend is not in this article. I
Speaker 2: promise trend is not trending. That's interesting. Makes you stop
Speaker 2: and think?
Speaker 1: All right? That he more? Oh, you know what I
Speaker 1: ought to tell you is next hour?
Speaker 2: Really looking forward to a conversation with Tim Sandefer about
Speaker 2: his brand new book about the Declaration of Independence.
Speaker 1: Can't wait for that, So hang around if you can
Speaker 1: back in moments.
Speaker 2: How's your DBL? Check your DBL talk about that in
Speaker 2: a second. First, this though, this is so interesting. So
Speaker 2: Justice Soda Mayor, one of the liberals who famously said
Speaker 2: in a speech that she hoped a wise Latina woman
Speaker 2: would produce better at judicial outcomes than white males who
Speaker 2: haven't lived that life. She was given a speech at
Speaker 2: the University of Kansas the other day and she's talking
Speaker 2: about a court decision last year related to the reasonable
Speaker 2: suspicious suspicion that federal agents need to question someone because
Speaker 2: they think they might be an illegal immigrant. And she said,
Speaker 2: I had a colleague in that case who wrote, you
Speaker 2: know these are only temporary stops. And she was referring
Speaker 2: to Brett Kavanaugh. Okay, so she's I'll just tell you
Speaker 2: what she said next. This is from a man whose
Speaker 2: parents were professionals and probably doesn't really know any person
Speaker 2: who works by the hour. Even if somebody stop by
Speaker 2: immigration gets released quote those hours they took away, nobody's
Speaker 2: paying for that person. And that makes a difference between
Speaker 2: a meal for him and his kids that night and
Speaker 2: maybe just cold supper, which is, you know, empathetic and true.
Speaker 2: But what does that have to do with the law.
Speaker 2: Federal judge ordered immigration agents not to form reasonable suspicion.
Speaker 1: Based on any combination of.
Speaker 2: Four factors that they go into, but the Supreme Court
Speaker 2: stayed that injunction, and Kavanaugh explained, under this Court's precedence
Speaker 2: not to mention common sense, those circumstances taken together can
Speaker 2: constitute at least reasonable suspicion of illegal presence to be
Speaker 2: clear apparent, ethnicity alone cannot furnish reasonable suspicion.
Speaker 1: It needs to be four of these factors.
Speaker 2: Sodomoor dissented and was joined by two other liberals. Blah
Speaker 2: blah blah. She said, that's not good enough. We can't
Speaker 2: live in a country where the government can seize anyone
Speaker 2: who looks Latino, speak Spanish, or appears to work at
Speaker 2: a low wage job, which is a little overheated, as
Speaker 2: they point out, But as they point out in this article,
Speaker 2: that was overheated, and this week the Justice underscored how
Speaker 2: much your jurisprudence is based on identity and political results,
Speaker 2: not law and president. To spell that out for you,
Speaker 2: there would have to be a different standard for hourly
Speaker 2: workers than professionals, in her opinion, and that a profession
Speaker 2: a judge who has a professional background, can't decide the
Speaker 2: case for working class people. There can't be equal treatment
Speaker 2: under the law because of the differences in those two
Speaker 2: sets of people's lives.
Speaker 1: So she doesn't like the results.
Speaker 2: She doesn't like the right result for certain individuals, so
Speaker 2: she's like, this can't be a law, and Kavanaugh's like, no, no,
Speaker 2: everybody's got to be equal in the eyes of the law.
Speaker 2: So if equality equals something Sodomayor doesn't like, she says, well,
Speaker 2: we're not going to have equality under the law. Then
Speaker 2: that's a results oriented liberal justice as opposed to a
Speaker 2: law and president oriented justice.
Speaker 1: Anyway, all right, Katie, what's that headline you hit us with?
Speaker 9: The headline is struggling with dating apps? It might be
Speaker 9: your digital body language?
Speaker 1: All right, help us out. What's the DBL?
Speaker 3: Okay, the DBL.
Speaker 9: The article states, before texting and dating apps, the only
Speaker 9: body language the daters really had to worry about was
Speaker 9: their real life interactions. But now experts say body language
Speaker 9: involves much more with your digital body language and the
Speaker 9: way you come off through messaging.
Speaker 3: I love this Logan.
Speaker 9: Uri, who is the director of relationship Science for the
Speaker 9: dating app Hinge, says the DBL involves the nonverbal subtext
Speaker 9: of online conversation. Think emojis, punctuation, word choice, length of messages,
Speaker 9: and how quickly you do or do not respond.
Speaker 1: Ah, okay, all right.
Speaker 3: Punctuation and word choice.
Speaker 9: Absolutely totally lost interest in a guy because he didn't
Speaker 9: know they're there and there and didn't capitalize his words.
Speaker 2: Oh my, I hate no capitals too. People don't understand
Speaker 2: the conventions of language. Written language exists, so it's readable. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's not because we're picky. It's because people write us
Speaker 2: emails that are like twenty seven lines of type, no
Speaker 2: paragraph breaks.
Speaker 1: It's nearly impossible to read.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes a different O cult.
Speaker 9: So he continues on saying, on a date, you can
Speaker 9: read somebody's body language to figure out if they're into you.
Speaker 9: But when you're still in the texting phase, daters rely
Speaker 9: on the DBL to read between the lines to show
Speaker 9: someone how you're feeling.
Speaker 3: It's about how long you take to.
Speaker 9: Reply, whether you put any effort into your messages or not,
Speaker 9: if you ask questions and initiate, or you just react
Speaker 9: to what they're saying, all of that creates a subtext,
Speaker 9: and that subtext is what people are using to figure
Speaker 9: out how interested and invested you are in them.
Speaker 1: This is not bull cramp m M. It's not.
Speaker 3: So it just kind of goes.
Speaker 9: It stays along that line of you know, it has
Speaker 9: a lot to do with the effort that you put
Speaker 9: into your messages, meaning you know, you could send just
Speaker 9: okay or okay and say a couple more words to
Speaker 9: make it seem like you're taking more time for them.
Speaker 2: By the way, somewhat related, I have a couple of
Speaker 2: friends now who have embraced don't text, call.
Speaker 1: Or text and say hey, we need to catch up.
Speaker 2: You got a couple of minutes because they've realized that
Speaker 2: the text only staying in touch quote unquote is just
Speaker 2: not nourishing in the same way that a conversation is. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I should be a leader on that, and I'm not.
Speaker 2: I've kind of been a follower.
Speaker 9: But I responded to a myst call via text yesterday.
Speaker 9: Oh I just didn't have it in me, man. I
Speaker 9: knew it was going to be a thirty minute phone call.
Speaker 2: Oh well, a special exemption for that one, all right,
Speaker 2: Stay tuned Tim Sander for next hour.
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