WEBVTT - Well Meaning Softheads

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty arm Strong

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<v Speaker 1>and Gatty and he Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 2>The other day we talked about how America's government schools

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<v Speaker 2>are failing and read a fair amount of an unbelievably good,

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<v Speaker 2>shockingly good piece from The Atlantic entitled America's sliding toward Illiteracy.

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<v Speaker 2>And as Greg Guttfeld points out here, the philosophies that

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<v Speaker 2>have ruined American schools are operating above the border as well.

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<v Speaker 3>It's far worse in schools.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen to this Canadian professor.

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<v Speaker 4>I have worked with four and five year olds in

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<v Speaker 4>schools who have genders that their parents don't want them

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<v Speaker 4>to have. Parents' rights have suddenly been weaponized against trans

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<v Speaker 4>and non binary and two spirit youth. I want us

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<v Speaker 4>to get really comfortable with challenging right wing Christian patriarchy.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to say things like, you can do work

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<v Speaker 4>around sexual orientation and gender diversity with children of all ages,

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<v Speaker 4>and so I want us to think about these conversations

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<v Speaker 4>in kindergarten.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course you do you sick, repulsive, repulsive, repulsive, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it is absolutely repulsive. That is a dedicated Neomarxist because

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<v Speaker 2>they want to erase all of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Binaries.

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<v Speaker 2>It gets into political theory, but that's somebody wants to

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<v Speaker 2>sexualize children early and then convince them that they are

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<v Speaker 2>an oppressed gender. Sexuality because Workers of the World unit

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<v Speaker 2>turned into we actually got an email saying, Joe, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you mean by neo Marxist. I've explained this many times,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm de lighted to explain it many more times.

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<v Speaker 1>If that's what it takes.

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<v Speaker 2>Workers of the World Unite, and Greg Lukianov actually referred

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<v Speaker 2>to this Last Hour didn't work because the workers of

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<v Speaker 2>the World are like, you know, I'm getting paid okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm up for shop foreman next month, and you know, honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm starting a side business, so thanks. I'm not going

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<v Speaker 2>to throw off my chains and embrace communism. My life

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<v Speaker 2>isn't that bad. So when that failed in the twentieth century,

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<v Speaker 2>the dedicated Marxists thought, okay, what do we do now,

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<v Speaker 2>And some of those French guys we were mentioning Last

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<v Speaker 2>Hour came up with every minority of the World unite.

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<v Speaker 2>Racial minorities weren't quite enough, so they started to invent

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<v Speaker 2>sexual minorities and to spirit and all sorts of queer

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<v Speaker 2>theory and gender theory and all this trying to convince

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<v Speaker 2>everybody that they're an oppressed minority. That was the plan

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<v Speaker 2>of Neo Marxism that came out of the French intellectual

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<v Speaker 2>salons in the twentieth century. Like the sixty I think

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<v Speaker 2>was the real hot time of it, and this seventies,

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<v Speaker 2>these guys were celebrated as great thinkers, including by the

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<v Speaker 2>left in the US anyway, So that's what I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>We got a hell of a lot of reaction from

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<v Speaker 2>educators to our discussion of the Atlantic piece and some

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<v Speaker 2>of the miserable, miserable stats going on.

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<v Speaker 1>In American education right now.

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<v Speaker 2>The lead of the Atlantic pieces the past decade may

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<v Speaker 2>rank is one of the worst in the history of

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<v Speaker 2>American education. It marks a stark reversal from what was

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<v Speaker 2>once a hopeful story. And if the Atlantic is saying that,

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<v Speaker 2>babe whoo, things are bad.

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<v Speaker 1>So onto the reaction.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to keep everybody anonymous here, but Aleen Anonymous

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<v Speaker 2>is from a fairly small town in Idaho who says

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<v Speaker 2>I'm an avid listener.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>And wanted to share my experience of teaching in a

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<v Speaker 2>small town, very red North Idaho. You are correct in

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<v Speaker 2>saying that education is liberal everywhere. What I said was,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care if your state or your town is

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<v Speaker 2>ruby red. There is a sapphire blue patch. It is

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<v Speaker 2>your local schools anyway. She goes on. The kids in

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<v Speaker 2>my school are allowed to wear tails and ears. They

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<v Speaker 2>identify as animals. Teachers openly discuss their contempt for conservative

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<v Speaker 2>values and traditional families. They mock parents who have chosen

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<v Speaker 2>to pull their children from schools to home school. They

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<v Speaker 2>find it ridiculous that parents are allowed to see the

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<v Speaker 2>curriculum at all, and to see all the curriculum that

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<v Speaker 2>we use. When we moved here six years ago, I

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<v Speaker 2>naively thought I would be entering a place where we

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<v Speaker 2>would encounter like minded educators.

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<v Speaker 1>I was sorely mistaken.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say that the indoctrination is more subtle than

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<v Speaker 2>the parents are watching for it. But even in a

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<v Speaker 2>county that went seventy six percent for Trump, it is

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<v Speaker 2>alive and well in the schools.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep that in mind.

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<v Speaker 2>It's because the critical theory stuff I've been talking about

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<v Speaker 2>caught hold first in the colleges of education in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States. That's where the infection established itself before it spread.

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<v Speaker 2>I won't bore you with the history of it, but

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<v Speaker 2>trust me when I say that it's true. Long note

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<v Speaker 2>from anonymous here. We'll see how much we can get to.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's absolutely fantastic, and now we thank you for it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's spring break, so I'm listening in real time. Everything

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<v Speaker 2>you too are saying about education is one hundred percent accurate,

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<v Speaker 2>and you may even be underplaying it a.

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<v Speaker 1>Bit aka under egging the pudding. Appreciate this sense humor.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm closing in on twenty five years in the classroom,

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<v Speaker 2>and I have seen the decline happen in real time.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of us could see it coming as policies were

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<v Speaker 2>being implemented but were powerless as the Unions, government and

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<v Speaker 2>education schools have created an unholy alliance of far left

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<v Speaker 2>training grounds in our public charter and in some cases

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<v Speaker 2>private schools. Yeah, we're aware of that. Some of those

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<v Speaker 2>high dollar schools in Manhattan or are as insane as anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>These policies were implemented behind the buzzwords equity, inclusion, belonging.

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<v Speaker 1>We're all aware of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Have acted as a trojan horse into the mainstream of

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<v Speaker 2>public education. I can even nail down two points in

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<v Speaker 2>time when the changes started. Older teachers may have conflicting timelines,

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<v Speaker 2>but the first was in two thousand and seven when

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<v Speaker 2>our superintendent at the time decraded that there would be

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<v Speaker 2>no more f's as grades and no more suspensions from school.

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<v Speaker 2>That was prime Obama philosophy time. That's when that philosophy

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<v Speaker 2>that he espoused started to take hold in schools, before

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<v Speaker 2>he was pushing it audibly anyway. The next major change

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<v Speaker 2>was spring of twenty sixteen, when our professional development began

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<v Speaker 2>focusing on pronouns and seeing everything through the lens of

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<v Speaker 2>race rather than teaching practices.

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<v Speaker 1>That's phenon in FUCO and critical theory.

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<v Speaker 2>UH do because the way you wake up quote unquote,

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<v Speaker 2>as the Marxists would say, the races to unite and

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<v Speaker 2>throw off the change of capitalism in Western civilization is

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<v Speaker 2>you've got to convince them they're oppressed, even if they

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<v Speaker 2>have good lives. Hence seeing everything through the lens of race.

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<v Speaker 2>Right back to the email. All of this was set

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<v Speaker 2>up around the goal of no dropouts and one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>percent graduation rate. As you two have pointed out, many

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<v Speaker 2>times bunch of measure becomes a target, it ceases to

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<v Speaker 2>be a good measure. These two major shifts and resulting

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<v Speaker 2>goals have acted under as umbrellas under which a myriad

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<v Speaker 2>of changes have occurred. I'm throwing this together off the cuff,

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<v Speaker 2>but I could literally write a book about this topic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and, as he points out, no dropouts, one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>percent graduation sounds wonderful unless you throw away all of

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<v Speaker 2>your standards to get there. Right back to the email,

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<v Speaker 2>what happened next was a slow burn, but to no

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<v Speaker 2>one's surprised. Once students figured out there were no consequences

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<v Speaker 2>for anything, behavior gradually became worse in grades plummeted. Once

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<v Speaker 2>the grades plummeted, administrators began pressuring teachers to inflate grades,

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<v Speaker 2>not just f's to d's, but fs to at least

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<v Speaker 2>c's are better. If you pushed back, life could get

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<v Speaker 2>real uncomfortable very quickly. If you really dig your heels in,

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<v Speaker 2>a counselor or admin will just change the grade, and

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<v Speaker 2>now you're seen as a troublemaker. If building principle went

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<v Speaker 2>against these policies, they were either moved or nudge toward retirement.

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<v Speaker 2>District administrators were subject to gatekeeping regarding their beliefs, meeting

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<v Speaker 2>decision makers who matter. We're all soon on the same page.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the DEI. DEI doesn't mean diversity, equity and inclusion.

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<v Speaker 2>All it means is more neomarxists. And do you notice

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<v Speaker 2>how is never a black conservative, for instance, who is

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<v Speaker 2>included in the eye of inclusion?

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<v Speaker 1>Never? Never, never.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of my colleagues enthusiastically jumped on board well. Others

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<v Speaker 2>went along just to get along. Some of us complained

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<v Speaker 2>under our breath, but decided to try our best. Is

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<v Speaker 2>still teach our butts off every day and do what's

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<v Speaker 2>best for students. It worked for a while, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>caught up to us now. All the veteran teachers I

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<v Speaker 2>know with more than twenty years of experience are tired,

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<v Speaker 2>beaten down, and miserable. Those close enough to retirement are lucky,

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<v Speaker 2>but many, like myself, are too far away from the

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<v Speaker 2>end to take solace in knowing we'll just have to

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<v Speaker 2>make it another year or two. It's like swimming across

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<v Speaker 2>a river when you're too far away from shore to

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<v Speaker 2>get to the other side, and too far away to

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<v Speaker 2>go turn back. Here's what I'm seeing every day that

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<v Speaker 2>most people don't understand. I teachap classes with upper grades

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<v Speaker 2>of high school. These are kids who are applying to

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<v Speaker 2>in and often cases getting into good universities. Most of

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<v Speaker 2>my students are nice, polite kids who mean well. In

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<v Speaker 2>some cases, they are eager to learn, but they haven't

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<v Speaker 2>been conditioned how to be students in the sense that

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<v Speaker 2>their attention spans are very short and they don't process

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<v Speaker 2>information well. Some people may take issue with the term conditioning,

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<v Speaker 2>but there are parameters of behaviors and skills people are

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<v Speaker 2>expected to work within in any given situation. Some may

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<v Speaker 2>call it professionalism in the workplace, as no job allows

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<v Speaker 2>you to behave like you, do like you and only

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<v Speaker 2>do the tasks you feel like doing. Okay, we don't

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<v Speaker 2>even do that in our own homes, feeding ourselves and

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<v Speaker 2>doing laundry or required. Students are allowed to show up

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<v Speaker 2>to whatever class, whenever, say whatever, and do whatever they please.

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<v Speaker 2>The students with self discipline stand out. While most students

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<v Speaker 2>don't complete assignments and have no idea what it looks

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<v Speaker 2>like to study. They fall apart if subjects get difficult

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<v Speaker 2>and it's almost impossible to approach a nuanced discussion around

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<v Speaker 2>a controversial topic. Students no emotion and feeling. But that's

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<v Speaker 2>about it. Education has never been perfect. I didn't get

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<v Speaker 2>the greatest high school education. But kids are getting screwed

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<v Speaker 2>now between low skill level and an increasing inability to think,

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<v Speaker 2>we are dooming these young people to a difficult future.

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<v Speaker 2>We got here via many of the policies you too

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<v Speaker 2>have talked about on your show. Equitable grading practice is

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<v Speaker 2>requiring a fifty percent grade for a missing assignment rather

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<v Speaker 2>than a zero. Every examine. Assignment is allowed to be

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<v Speaker 2>taken over and over again. Restorative practices and conversations when

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<v Speaker 2>students break the rules. There is a very good chance

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<v Speaker 2>your child is sitting in a classroom with another student

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<v Speaker 2>who everyone knows is committed a violent crime at school,

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<v Speaker 2>and they still get to be in school. Kids will

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes take honors or advanced classes way above their skill

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<v Speaker 2>level so they can be in a safe environment. Funding

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<v Speaker 2>is going to administration rather than into the classroom, where

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<v Speaker 2>more staff and materials are needed. Teachers often have to

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<v Speaker 2>spend a ton of time cobbling together material and curriculum

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<v Speaker 2>to survive the disciplinary tasks, writing referrals and calling home

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<v Speaker 2>to an unanswered phone. Those things take a back seat.

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<v Speaker 2>This is just scratching the surface of issues. Like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I could write a book. Public education is salvageable, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to take an army of dedicated parents, teachers, legislation,

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<v Speaker 2>and community members, and it's going to be a fight,

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<v Speaker 2>requiring years of patients and hard work. First, and most

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<v Speaker 2>immediate for parents, help us out with the phones. No

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<v Speaker 2>kid in elementary school needs a smartphone. I may even

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<v Speaker 2>suggest no kid under the age of sixteen needs one.

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<v Speaker 2>It's only necessary now because we've allowed it. And then

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<v Speaker 2>he says, I get it. I understand why people have them,

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<v Speaker 2>but we've got to stop. Second, pay attention to who

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<v Speaker 2>is on your school board. This is the most important

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<v Speaker 2>elected position in your life right now. The activist groups

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<v Speaker 2>are pouring truckloads of money into school board races because

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<v Speaker 2>they are vital, and no one pays attention. Go to meetings,

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<v Speaker 2>listen to what they say. Your school board member impacts

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<v Speaker 2>your way of life more than Trump or AOC. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not politically sexy, but make it that way. Pay attention

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<v Speaker 2>to who is getting the admin jobs. Never vote for

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<v Speaker 2>a school board candidate who is an activist. Never vote

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<v Speaker 2>for a candidate who is a union member teacher in

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<v Speaker 2>another district. Never vote for someone who has crazy crap

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<v Speaker 2>in their social media. Never vote for a candidate who

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<v Speaker 2>uses any of the DEI buzzwords, even if they don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what they mean. If there is only one candidate

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<v Speaker 2>on the ballot and they fit one of these categories,

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<v Speaker 2>run against them yourself and make them publicly take a

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<v Speaker 2>stand on grading behavior and where the money should go.

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<v Speaker 2>Also feel free to stay away from crazy people on

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<v Speaker 2>the right as well. And you lists some same ghost

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<v Speaker 2>for a city council, But the school board thing is

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<v Speaker 2>incredibly important.

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<v Speaker 1>It goes on for several more paragraphs.

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<v Speaker 2>It's beautifully written, mister anonymous, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 2>taking the time.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to check in with Jack.

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<v Speaker 2>Any reaction to that drop is a note mail bag

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<v Speaker 2>at Armstrong gamgetty dot com.

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<v Speaker 5>The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that prices for nearly

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<v Speaker 5>everything rose by nine tenths of one percent between February

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<v Speaker 5>and March, and three point three percent from last March

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<v Speaker 5>to this with Iran closing down a crucial supply channel

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<v Speaker 5>for oil. Gasoline was a major driver of last month's

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<v Speaker 5>increasing consumer prices. Energy costs are up twelve and a

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<v Speaker 5>half percent in the past thirteen months.

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<v Speaker 2>When energy goes up, everything goes up up. Is it

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<v Speaker 2>a trend or a blip? Nobody knows. Please welcome the

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<v Speaker 2>co host of the show to the show live from

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<v Speaker 2>the Heartland, Salana, Kansas, not Selena, not Selena's Salina, Kansas.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Armstrong, Hello, Jack.

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<v Speaker 6>You know so in places up three point three percent.

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<v Speaker 6>What are people saying about that? That's the most in

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<v Speaker 6>a couple of years.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's all Gulf related. Yeah, I ain't good.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not good.

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<v Speaker 6>I was just reading an interesting thing about, uh, how

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<v Speaker 6>difficult it is for the Secret Service guarantee the security

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<v Speaker 6>of JD vans over there in Pakistan doing negotiating because

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<v Speaker 6>that government is very shaky in terms of their ability

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<v Speaker 6>to control things. So, uh, Islam as fundamentalist nut jobs

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<v Speaker 6>could make it very dangerous for our legotiating team to

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<v Speaker 6>be there.

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<v Speaker 2>And the government plays foot seat with various radical groups

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<v Speaker 2>just to keep them from taking out the government.

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<v Speaker 1>Boy, that'd be a he kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 6>Suddenly, something to keep a person's eye.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell you today, it's been great fun.

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<v Speaker 2>We had a hell of a nice conversation with Greg

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<v Speaker 2>lukianoff from Fire and I read and I'm sorry you

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<v Speaker 2>missed this. I read a couple of emails from educators

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<v Speaker 2>reacting to our segment on America's sliding into illiteracy, worst

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<v Speaker 2>decade in American education from The Atlantic.

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<v Speaker 1>Powerful stuff. I will just tell you this.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody said one hundred percent right, and you guys may

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<v Speaker 2>have underplayed it.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. Yeah, wow, up.

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<v Speaker 6>Against a pretty powerful force.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but near once. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the teachers' unions and the teachers colleges which are

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<v Speaker 2>radical left and uh and uh and government too. But

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<v Speaker 2>one thing, one thing that several emails had in common,

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<v Speaker 2>including the one I'm holding in my hand, is calling

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<v Speaker 2>out the parents.

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<v Speaker 1>Where are the parents?

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<v Speaker 2>Know what's being taught, Know your teacher, Go to school

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<v Speaker 2>board meetings, figure out who running, and vote accordingly.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't vote for activists.

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<v Speaker 2>They're all crazy, they're well, they're Marxists, or they're well

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<v Speaker 2>meaning softtheads who don't realize.

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<v Speaker 1>They're doing the works the work of the Marxists. Anyway.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it seems like the whole country, or half the

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<v Speaker 6>country anyway, to sleep the switch on the whole public

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<v Speaker 6>education thing. For many decades now, just assuming that it

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<v Speaker 6>would be, you know, just cruise along the way it

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<v Speaker 6>was years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>But clearly enough case.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you going to get a cozy berger as a

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<v Speaker 2>gesture and support of free speech?

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<v Speaker 1>We were talking about that yesterday.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, it is gotten national attention and a number of

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<v Speaker 6>major litigation groups who fight for free speech or fighting

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<v Speaker 6>for the freedom of this burger place to have a

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<v Speaker 6>mural on its side.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, you short.

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<v Speaker 6>Answer the questions, yes, I'm going to get a cozy Burger?

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<v Speaker 2>Excellent, excellent. What else is on your mind news wise

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<v Speaker 2>this morning? Anything in particular? Are you just doing the

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<v Speaker 2>family thing?

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<v Speaker 6>I'm just doing the family thing, really and realizing what

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<v Speaker 6>it's like to live the way most people probably do.

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<v Speaker 6>They don't, you know, pay attention to the news on

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<v Speaker 6>a twenty four hour news cycle, and surely not on

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<v Speaker 6>your mind that much. Yeah, in in the airport yesterday

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<v Speaker 6>and hang out on planes and you know, nobody's talking

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<v Speaker 6>about the news of the day at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, was Traffle not a nightmare? Because if it's not

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<v Speaker 2>a nightmare, you've won the lottery.

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<v Speaker 1>It was.

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<v Speaker 6>It couldn't have been easier. Nothing was crowded anywhere, and

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<v Speaker 6>no delays of any kind or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're joking that this segment would be a little short,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was going to bump you like a guest

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<v Speaker 2>who didn't quite get on the tonight's show. But we'll

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<v Speaker 2>read books, Jack Armstrong, Sorry we couldn't get to you,

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<v Speaker 2>but boy, what a show we had.

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<v Speaker 1>Blah blah.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Lyons is coming up next segment. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>figure out what's going on. We're going to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on in the Gulf.

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<v Speaker 1>No we're not.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to try to figure out any aspect of

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on right now and comprehend it.

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<v Speaker 6>So I'm going to figure out how to listen to

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<v Speaker 6>that because I'm pretty interested in myself.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, go enjoy the family and beautiful Salina and

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<v Speaker 2>tell the town I miss it, and thanks for launching

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<v Speaker 2>our careers.

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<v Speaker 6>Talk to you like myself to the cozy Berger.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, ship me a bag of them before you do.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, much more to come. If you can't stick around,

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<v Speaker 2>grab the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand.

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<v Speaker 3>Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 7>If Iran wants to let this negotiation fall apart. In

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<v Speaker 7>a conflict where they were getting hammered over Lebanon, which

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<v Speaker 7>has nothing to do with them, and which the United

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<v Speaker 7>States never once said was part of the ceasefire. That's

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<v Speaker 7>ultimately their choice. We think that would be dumb, but

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<v Speaker 7>that's their choice.

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<v Speaker 2>The dizzying situation in the golf and straysa herle mooz,

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<v Speaker 2>the US, Iran, Israel, Lebanon and all the players. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>dive right into it with military analyst Mike Lyons. Mike, welcome, how.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you today?

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<v Speaker 8>And Jo Great to be back with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Great, always good to have you.

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<v Speaker 2>So, you know, I think both of us have probably

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<v Speaker 2>read about studied various peace agreements through history and how

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<v Speaker 2>some of them were a bit rocky or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there are hidden elements that the layman didn't learn about

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<v Speaker 2>until many years later. But I don't recall anything as

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<v Speaker 2>wobbly and complicated as this in recent memory.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I've never seen sides so far apart. I mean,

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<v Speaker 8>I guess the fifteen points on our side versus the

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<v Speaker 8>ten on their side. They are the most maximalist demands

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<v Speaker 8>you've ever seen coming from Iran or from really any country,

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<v Speaker 8>basically saying that they could do whatever they want, whenever

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<v Speaker 8>they want to do it, and they'll do whatever they

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<v Speaker 8>want to another country whenever they want to do it

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<v Speaker 8>to them too. So I don't know where this will start,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, Trump, I think originally the beginning of the

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<v Speaker 8>week with a lot of his tweets and comments where

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<v Speaker 8>he's just trying to out crazy the crazy people on

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<v Speaker 8>some level talking to the Iranians and language they understand.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm just not sure they understand any language. I'm just

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<v Speaker 8>not sure this is going to go anywhere. They just

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<v Speaker 8>don't have a history of negotiating anything, any you know,

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<v Speaker 8>giving in on anything on whatsoever. I think the Obama

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<v Speaker 8>administration was completely you know, taken to the woodshed by

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<v Speaker 8>these guys, and they're going to try. We'll see what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>So is that line of thought leading to the conclusion

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<v Speaker 2>that the only thing we can do is so reduce

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<v Speaker 2>their capabilities that the intransigent maniacs that run around just

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<v Speaker 2>won't be as dangerous.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I think that's really where we are. We're back

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<v Speaker 8>to a containment foreign policy. If we can't you get

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<v Speaker 8>some kind of resolution within the next fourteen days, I

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<v Speaker 8>don't think it's going to take fourteen days. I think

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<v Speaker 8>we're going to draw this conclusion that they're not going

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<v Speaker 8>to give in on anything before that. The Vice President's

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<v Speaker 8>comment about this being linked to Hezela is exactly the point.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, Israel has its own security concerns, and you

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<v Speaker 8>know the fact that the country with nine million people

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<v Speaker 8>still punching up against the country with ninety million and

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<v Speaker 8>doing pretty well. You know, there's a lot of other

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<v Speaker 8>potential solutions there. The French could get involved with Lebanon

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<v Speaker 8>and help the Lebanese government disarm Hesbela.

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<v Speaker 1>That's there.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, think about Hesbela. It's kind of like a

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<v Speaker 8>cancer or kind of you know that that infected US

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<v Speaker 8>country for so many years, and and and the the

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<v Speaker 8>civilians and the government does nothing about it. Well, the French,

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<v Speaker 8>which was what, you know, their influence was there, if

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<v Speaker 8>they'd like to get in the game, they could, They

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<v Speaker 8>could possibly help the Lebanese government do that has blows

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<v Speaker 8>never been any weaker. But they don't have the military.

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<v Speaker 8>They don't really choose to do anything. They just continue

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<v Speaker 8>to send virtual signaling statements some from Paris and and

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<v Speaker 8>hope the United States continues to get the job done.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I saw the quote from Norman Schwartzkop recently that

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<v Speaker 2>I love that going into battle without the French is

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<v Speaker 2>like going hunting without an accordion.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, you know, he yeah, you know again these countries,

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<v Speaker 8>their perception of their strength and reality versus the actual

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<v Speaker 8>reality of it real politic is just you know again

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<v Speaker 8>the Grand Canyon, it's iss. Why does this un or

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<v Speaker 8>on debate right now? And so in the UK is

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<v Speaker 8>the same way. I mean, there's there's going to be

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<v Speaker 8>real consequences over their actions within the NATO alliance. You know,

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<v Speaker 8>the NATO Alliance is not going away. I think that

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<v Speaker 8>it's going to be strong to have. But there again,

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<v Speaker 8>their perception of their reality and their actual strength that

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<v Speaker 8>remains to be seeing. Look, the French have nuclear weapons though,

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<v Speaker 8>that's the other thing to this. I mean, so they

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<v Speaker 8>can decide to maybe back off and that men then

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<v Speaker 8>control Spain, but the Germans don't. The Germans, we don't

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<v Speaker 8>want them to have nuclear weapons. We don't know. There's

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<v Speaker 8>there's other issues about that nuclear non proliferation that we

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<v Speaker 8>want to keep and that's one of the things that

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<v Speaker 8>ties NATO together.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to feature a little bit later on

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<v Speaker 2>the show an absolutely terrific piece of writing. I came

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<v Speaker 2>across by a woman who's an author and commentator and

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<v Speaker 2>thinker on this sort of issue, and the piece is

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<v Speaker 2>entitled why the West won't call this a Holy war?

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm thinking about Hesbelah in Lebanon, which, if people

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<v Speaker 2>aren't familiar, it's a it's a heavily armed political party

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<v Speaker 2>that's also an army.

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<v Speaker 1>If you can picture the insanity.

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<v Speaker 2>That Israel quote unquote coming to an agreement and a

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<v Speaker 2>peace agreement with Hesbela at this point, that just that's

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<v Speaker 2>fantas a sea land, isn't it, especially from the Israeli perspective.

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<v Speaker 8>Exactly, this is not you know, the ira that years

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<v Speaker 8>ago decided to put its arms down to become part

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<v Speaker 8>of the political process, joined the current government there and

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<v Speaker 8>had a representative and the like. But this is not

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<v Speaker 8>this is this is a fight for survival on their side.

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<v Speaker 8>This is die to the death.

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<v Speaker 1>This is there.

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<v Speaker 8>This is how they operate, and it's you know, similar

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<v Speaker 8>to what happened in the Second World War in terms

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<v Speaker 8>of how how badly you know those countries at the

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<v Speaker 8>time looked Japan. Japan had a tremendous tactical victory in

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<v Speaker 8>December seventh, but look where that ended up leading to

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<v Speaker 8>it ended up being to the fundamental demise of their

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<v Speaker 8>country back back then. And and I think that's the

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<v Speaker 8>same historical analogy taking place right now. The the Arab

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<v Speaker 8>nation or the you know, the the terrorist organizations has

0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:48.720
<v Speaker 8>Blahamas and Iran has this great tactical victory on October seventh,

0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:50.840
<v Speaker 8>few years back then, but it's going to lead to

0:22:50.880 --> 0:22:51.880
<v Speaker 8>their downfall for sure.

0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:54.760
<v Speaker 2>I certainly hope it does. More on that to come.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking to military analysts and Mike Lions. So Mike,

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<v Speaker 2>let's say, get down to brass tacks. Is there any

0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:04.639
<v Speaker 2>opening the straits of or moves without the consent of

0:23:04.680 --> 0:23:05.959
<v Speaker 2>whoever is running Iran?

0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:09.920
<v Speaker 8>Doesn't look like it looks like the IRGC still controls

0:23:09.960 --> 0:23:13.040
<v Speaker 8>it because the threat is still coming from a military perspective.

0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:18.040
<v Speaker 8>It's those coastline batteries that could potentially fire on a

0:23:18.080 --> 0:23:21.160
<v Speaker 8>container vessel or a ship that's going there, and ballistic missiles.

0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:23.960
<v Speaker 8>There's still minds there. We could we could use the

0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:26.399
<v Speaker 8>help of the British and other data countries that have

0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:29.520
<v Speaker 8>some capability with some of their mind sweeping and then

0:23:29.560 --> 0:23:32.440
<v Speaker 8>also some of the asymmetrical fast boating that takes place,

0:23:32.440 --> 0:23:34.439
<v Speaker 8>and so no insurance company is still going to get

0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:37.120
<v Speaker 8>involved right now. So I think I think the next

0:23:37.119 --> 0:23:39.800
<v Speaker 8>military mission is going to be looking for the Navy

0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:45.040
<v Speaker 8>to really force that issue and protect carriers and protect

0:23:45.119 --> 0:23:49.240
<v Speaker 8>protect the container ships going through there. You're going to

0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:51.320
<v Speaker 8>see possibly a step up escort mission. I know the

0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:54.159
<v Speaker 8>Navy's been hesitant to do that from ICE sources, but

0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:56.080
<v Speaker 8>I think that's what the President's going to ask the

0:23:56.160 --> 0:23:56.879
<v Speaker 8>Navy soon to do.

0:23:57.600 --> 0:23:57.879
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting, Okay, it changed topics completely. Another really interesting piece

0:24:03.720 --> 0:24:06.000
<v Speaker 2>of journalism I came across was a gal whose name

0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:08.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't recall, but she was embedded with the NATO

0:24:08.720 --> 0:24:11.680
<v Speaker 2>troops as they were doing drone training in Estonia.

0:24:11.960 --> 0:24:12.960
<v Speaker 1>I think it was last week.

0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:18.280
<v Speaker 2>And that's obviously a fascinating topic, and it was David

0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:21.280
<v Speaker 2>Petraeus was over there at least commenting on it, and

0:24:21.280 --> 0:24:24.040
<v Speaker 2>he said, look, you need to understand this is changing

0:24:24.080 --> 0:24:26.000
<v Speaker 2>the face of warfare completely.

0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:27.679
<v Speaker 1>How do you think.

0:24:27.560 --> 0:24:29.960
<v Speaker 2>We're doing on that learning curve the United States and

0:24:30.240 --> 0:24:30.880
<v Speaker 2>our allies.

0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:33.879
<v Speaker 8>Well, we're hanging on to it. We're watching closely and

0:24:33.920 --> 0:24:36.720
<v Speaker 8>we try to import some of that technology into what

0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:39.160
<v Speaker 8>we're doing. I mean, you saw for example, the fact

0:24:39.160 --> 0:24:42.520
<v Speaker 8>that we're locating this pilot using some heart murmur technology

0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:46.040
<v Speaker 8>that can pick him out forty miles away based on AI.

0:24:46.240 --> 0:24:49.359
<v Speaker 1>So was that right? I hadn't heard that. Yeah, to

0:24:49.359 --> 0:24:50.240
<v Speaker 1>ask more about that.

0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:53.240
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, So I mean again, with these kind of conflicts,

0:24:53.240 --> 0:24:56.760
<v Speaker 8>all this technology comes off the shelf, and this technology

0:24:56.880 --> 0:24:59.320
<v Speaker 8>was able to find him, help locate him using AI

0:24:59.800 --> 0:25:02.000
<v Speaker 8>by it is heart rate by his heart marble and

0:25:02.040 --> 0:25:04.880
<v Speaker 8>so yeah, I mean so again this and so now

0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:08.240
<v Speaker 8>bring that same mentality. Ukraine gets up every day and

0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:09.919
<v Speaker 8>figures out how it's going to survive. So they have

0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:12.439
<v Speaker 8>to figure out how to close the kill chain right

0:25:12.480 --> 0:25:14.760
<v Speaker 8>this time and distance between when they know there's a

0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:16.760
<v Speaker 8>target and when they can kill the target. And what

0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:20.000
<v Speaker 8>they've done is just phenomenal. They're industrial military complex in

0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:23.520
<v Speaker 8>terms of building the drone technology, the software, the implement

0:25:23.520 --> 0:25:26.679
<v Speaker 8>in it, and then once it's uh faces off to

0:25:26.680 --> 0:25:29.960
<v Speaker 8>the enemy and they see the reaction to it, changing

0:25:29.960 --> 0:25:33.080
<v Speaker 8>the software so it becomes more survivable. Ukraine has been

0:25:33.119 --> 0:25:35.320
<v Speaker 8>incredible in terms of that that kill chain from a

0:25:35.359 --> 0:25:38.840
<v Speaker 8>military's perspective in helping them survive and it's it's definitely

0:25:38.840 --> 0:25:39.840
<v Speaker 8>the future of warfare.

0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:42.000
<v Speaker 1>And you would know this a lot better than I would.

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<v Speaker 2>I've told the procurement process has in the past been well,

0:25:46.480 --> 0:25:50.639
<v Speaker 2>it can make a person insane, whereas now you know

0:25:50.680 --> 0:25:52.320
<v Speaker 2>it's got to be If I need a certain drill bit,

0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:53.960
<v Speaker 2>I run to the store. I've got that drill bit

0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:58.399
<v Speaker 2>in twenty minutes. Now that's not practical. But what about

0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:01.960
<v Speaker 2>that topic and how we need to change your procurement give.

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<v Speaker 8>You a shameless self promotion. A couple of months ago,

0:26:03.640 --> 0:26:05.800
<v Speaker 8>I wrote an article for Real Clear Defense on the

0:26:05.880 --> 0:26:09.439
<v Speaker 8>new systems, the new playbook in order to succeed in

0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:12.359
<v Speaker 8>doing that if you're a startup innovative company, because Pete

0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:15.080
<v Speaker 8>Haxsett has changed that. He's changed the entire process of

0:26:15.119 --> 0:26:18.119
<v Speaker 8>how you can bring this lethality to the war fighters.

0:26:18.119 --> 0:26:20.520
<v Speaker 8>And it's all about taking things commercially off the shelf

0:26:20.920 --> 0:26:24.399
<v Speaker 8>and getting them quickly to the hands of the war fighters.

0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:28.080
<v Speaker 8>Innovation centers like Softworks in Tampa, Florida, working with special

0:26:28.080 --> 0:26:32.159
<v Speaker 8>operators and again shrinking that that this this distance in

0:26:32.240 --> 0:26:34.960
<v Speaker 8>time between when when they need something and ten well

0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:38.000
<v Speaker 8>actually shows up on the battlefield. So I urge your

0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:40.119
<v Speaker 8>listeners to go take a look at that article. If

0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:42.800
<v Speaker 8>they if they're doing an innovative startup company and help

0:26:42.880 --> 0:26:45.439
<v Speaker 8>them to get to get to do government work, because

0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:47.840
<v Speaker 8>that's what this is all about. They're trying to break

0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:51.320
<v Speaker 8>that cycle of these long acquisitions. It's called the value

0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:52.679
<v Speaker 8>of death when you have a good idea and it

0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:55.800
<v Speaker 8>dies in between what you get funding for it. This,

0:26:55.800 --> 0:26:57.960
<v Speaker 8>this Trump administration is trying to do that, and I

0:26:57.960 --> 0:26:59.240
<v Speaker 8>think that's a that's a really good move.

0:26:59.560 --> 0:26:59.720
<v Speaker 9>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Thingly enough, my brother is in that very line of work. Mike,

0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:05.280
<v Speaker 2>send us a link to that article. Why don't we

0:27:05.280 --> 0:27:07.840
<v Speaker 2>we post it so everybody can can flock to it

0:27:07.920 --> 0:27:09.359
<v Speaker 2>and read it.

0:27:10.520 --> 0:27:11.120
<v Speaker 8>Yeah for sure.

0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:14.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Okay, Military analyst Mike Lions Mike, as always, we

0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:16.879
<v Speaker 2>appreciate the thoughts and the wisdom. Great to talk to you,

0:27:16.920 --> 0:27:17.679
<v Speaker 2>and have a good weekend.

0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:18.600
<v Speaker 1>Thanks to you.

0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:22.000
<v Speaker 2>To have a great one, all right, thanks thanks. Uh Yeah,

0:27:22.040 --> 0:27:23.520
<v Speaker 2>where this goes? Nobody knows.

0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:25.919
<v Speaker 1>It is.

0:27:26.720 --> 0:27:30.240
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I lack imagination, but I'm using my feeble brain

0:27:30.280 --> 0:27:31.879
<v Speaker 2>power such as it is, to try to figure out

0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:35.200
<v Speaker 2>how we get from this side is on is saying

0:27:35.359 --> 0:27:37.480
<v Speaker 2>these things and demanding these things, and this side is

0:27:37.760 --> 0:27:39.479
<v Speaker 2>you know, got its own set of demands and they

0:27:39.520 --> 0:27:45.160
<v Speaker 2>are utterly incompatible. Uh, the Iranian regime is completely intransigent.

0:27:45.320 --> 0:27:49.840
<v Speaker 2>They're either religious fanatics or dead enders because they will be,

0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:52.840
<v Speaker 2>as Jack likes to put it, hung upside down in

0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:58.080
<v Speaker 2>the town square as the end of their days. If

0:27:58.119 --> 0:28:01.119
<v Speaker 2>they don't hold on to power. There's there's gonna be

0:28:01.160 --> 0:28:05.080
<v Speaker 2>no saying, hey, I said some harsh things. You said

0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:08.960
<v Speaker 2>some harsh things. I tortured dissidents. You know, we all

0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:12.120
<v Speaker 2>make mistakes. You can have power now. No, these people

0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:15.239
<v Speaker 2>are gonna be killed, so they are dead enders. On

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<v Speaker 2>Got a couple of things I want to shoehorn into

0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:22.280
<v Speaker 2>the next segment, including one of the best examples I've

0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:25.000
<v Speaker 2>ever heard, straight out of her own mouth, of the

0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:29.720
<v Speaker 2>way liberal Supreme Court justices think and the difference between

0:29:29.920 --> 0:29:32.719
<v Speaker 2>that way of thinking and a conservative justice thinking.

0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:33.200
<v Speaker 6>Uh.

0:29:33.320 --> 0:29:35.800
<v Speaker 2>Plus, Katie Broughts is the headline an hour or so ago,

0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:38.120
<v Speaker 2>an hour and a half ago about if you're not

0:29:38.200 --> 0:29:40.920
<v Speaker 2>doing well on dating sites, it might be because of your

0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:44.240
<v Speaker 2>quote unquote digital body language. I've got to known, I

0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:48.560
<v Speaker 2>gotta know what that is. I know less about dating

0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:51.400
<v Speaker 2>websites than astrophysics other than you know just what I've

0:29:51.400 --> 0:29:52.720
<v Speaker 2>heard and read, so I can't wait to hear this,

0:29:53.200 --> 0:29:53.960
<v Speaker 2>among other things.

0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:56.120
<v Speaker 3>Oh and I'll let you know. And it's it's shortened

0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:57.120
<v Speaker 3>to the DBL.

0:29:57.360 --> 0:30:02.440
<v Speaker 2>There, Joe, Digital body language is DBL the DBL.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, all right, is it a trend? Are we going

0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:06.520
<v Speaker 1>to talk about a trend?

0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:08.960
<v Speaker 2>No, the word trend is not in this article. I

0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:12.760
<v Speaker 2>promise trend is not trending. That's interesting. Makes you stop

0:30:12.760 --> 0:30:13.200
<v Speaker 2>and think?

0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:15.320
<v Speaker 1>All right? That he more? Oh, you know what I

0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:16.640
<v Speaker 1>ought to tell you is next hour?

0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:20.120
<v Speaker 2>Really looking forward to a conversation with Tim Sandefer about

0:30:20.120 --> 0:30:22.360
<v Speaker 2>his brand new book about the Declaration of Independence.

0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Can't wait for that, So hang around if you can

0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:25.840
<v Speaker 1>back in moments.

0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:34.560
<v Speaker 2>How's your DBL? Check your DBL talk about that in

0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:37.280
<v Speaker 2>a second. First, this though, this is so interesting. So

0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:42.840
<v Speaker 2>Justice Soda Mayor, one of the liberals who famously said

0:30:42.840 --> 0:30:45.120
<v Speaker 2>in a speech that she hoped a wise Latina woman

0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:48.360
<v Speaker 2>would produce better at judicial outcomes than white males who

0:30:48.360 --> 0:30:50.920
<v Speaker 2>haven't lived that life. She was given a speech at

0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:53.520
<v Speaker 2>the University of Kansas the other day and she's talking

0:30:53.520 --> 0:30:56.800
<v Speaker 2>about a court decision last year related to the reasonable

0:30:56.840 --> 0:31:00.240
<v Speaker 2>suspicious suspicion that federal agents need to question someone because

0:31:00.240 --> 0:31:04.000
<v Speaker 2>they think they might be an illegal immigrant. And she said,

0:31:04.040 --> 0:31:06.000
<v Speaker 2>I had a colleague in that case who wrote, you

0:31:06.080 --> 0:31:09.160
<v Speaker 2>know these are only temporary stops. And she was referring

0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:13.520
<v Speaker 2>to Brett Kavanaugh. Okay, so she's I'll just tell you

0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:15.560
<v Speaker 2>what she said next. This is from a man whose

0:31:15.600 --> 0:31:18.840
<v Speaker 2>parents were professionals and probably doesn't really know any person

0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:21.920
<v Speaker 2>who works by the hour. Even if somebody stop by

0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:25.960
<v Speaker 2>immigration gets released quote those hours they took away, nobody's

0:31:25.960 --> 0:31:28.360
<v Speaker 2>paying for that person. And that makes a difference between

0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 2>a meal for him and his kids that night and

0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:36.880
<v Speaker 2>maybe just cold supper, which is, you know, empathetic and true.

0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:39.320
<v Speaker 2>But what does that have to do with the law.

0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:45.239
<v Speaker 2>Federal judge ordered immigration agents not to form reasonable suspicion.

0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:49.160
<v Speaker 1>Based on any combination of.

0:31:51.960 --> 0:31:58.040
<v Speaker 2>Four factors that they go into, but the Supreme Court

0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:01.400
<v Speaker 2>stayed that injunction, and Kavanaugh explained, under this Court's precedence

0:32:01.400 --> 0:32:04.720
<v Speaker 2>not to mention common sense, those circumstances taken together can

0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:08.280
<v Speaker 2>constitute at least reasonable suspicion of illegal presence to be

0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:11.560
<v Speaker 2>clear apparent, ethnicity alone cannot furnish reasonable suspicion.

0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:14.360
<v Speaker 1>It needs to be four of these factors.

0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Sodomoor dissented and was joined by two other liberals. Blah

0:32:19.520 --> 0:32:22.080
<v Speaker 2>blah blah. She said, that's not good enough. We can't

0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:24.360
<v Speaker 2>live in a country where the government can seize anyone

0:32:24.400 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 2>who looks Latino, speak Spanish, or appears to work at

0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:29.719
<v Speaker 2>a low wage job, which is a little overheated, as

0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:34.280
<v Speaker 2>they point out, But as they point out in this article,

0:32:34.280 --> 0:32:36.680
<v Speaker 2>that was overheated, and this week the Justice underscored how

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:40.040
<v Speaker 2>much your jurisprudence is based on identity and political results,

0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:43.360
<v Speaker 2>not law and president. To spell that out for you,

0:32:45.560 --> 0:32:48.680
<v Speaker 2>there would have to be a different standard for hourly

0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:53.640
<v Speaker 2>workers than professionals, in her opinion, and that a profession

0:32:53.720 --> 0:32:57.479
<v Speaker 2>a judge who has a professional background, can't decide the

0:32:57.600 --> 0:33:06.160
<v Speaker 2>case for working class people. There can't be equal treatment

0:33:06.400 --> 0:33:10.120
<v Speaker 2>under the law because of the differences in those two

0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:11.360
<v Speaker 2>sets of people's lives.

0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:13.280
<v Speaker 1>So she doesn't like the results.

0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:15.920
<v Speaker 2>She doesn't like the right result for certain individuals, so

0:33:15.960 --> 0:33:19.760
<v Speaker 2>she's like, this can't be a law, and Kavanaugh's like, no, no,

0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:22.160
<v Speaker 2>everybody's got to be equal in the eyes of the law.

0:33:23.920 --> 0:33:29.680
<v Speaker 2>So if equality equals something Sodomayor doesn't like, she says, well,

0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:31.640
<v Speaker 2>we're not going to have equality under the law. Then

0:33:31.880 --> 0:33:35.480
<v Speaker 2>that's a results oriented liberal justice as opposed to a

0:33:35.560 --> 0:33:37.720
<v Speaker 2>law and president oriented justice.

0:33:37.880 --> 0:33:40.360
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, all right, Katie, what's that headline you hit us with?

0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:46.320
<v Speaker 9>The headline is struggling with dating apps? It might be

0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:48.200
<v Speaker 9>your digital body language?

0:33:48.600 --> 0:33:50.560
<v Speaker 1>All right, help us out. What's the DBL?

0:33:50.800 --> 0:33:51.880
<v Speaker 3>Okay, the DBL.

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<v Speaker 9>The article states, before texting and dating apps, the only

0:33:56.200 --> 0:33:58.520
<v Speaker 9>body language the daters really had to worry about was

0:33:58.560 --> 0:34:02.640
<v Speaker 9>their real life interactions. But now experts say body language

0:34:02.680 --> 0:34:05.720
<v Speaker 9>involves much more with your digital body language and the

0:34:05.760 --> 0:34:07.720
<v Speaker 9>way you come off through messaging.

0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:10.320
<v Speaker 3>I love this Logan.

0:34:10.200 --> 0:34:12.880
<v Speaker 9>Uri, who is the director of relationship Science for the

0:34:12.960 --> 0:34:19.080
<v Speaker 9>dating app Hinge, says the DBL involves the nonverbal subtext

0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:25.240
<v Speaker 9>of online conversation. Think emojis, punctuation, word choice, length of messages,

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<v Speaker 9>and how quickly you do or do not respond.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, okay, all right.

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<v Speaker 3>Punctuation and word choice.

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<v Speaker 9>Absolutely totally lost interest in a guy because he didn't

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<v Speaker 9>know they're there and there and didn't capitalize his words.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my, I hate no capitals too. People don't understand

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<v Speaker 2>the conventions of language. Written language exists, so it's readable. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not because we're picky. It's because people write us

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<v Speaker 2>emails that are like twenty seven lines of type, no

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<v Speaker 2>paragraph breaks.

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<v Speaker 1>It's nearly impossible to read.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it makes a different O cult.

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<v Speaker 9>So he continues on saying, on a date, you can

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<v Speaker 9>read somebody's body language to figure out if they're into you.

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<v Speaker 9>But when you're still in the texting phase, daters rely

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<v Speaker 9>on the DBL to read between the lines to show

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<v Speaker 9>someone how you're feeling.

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<v Speaker 3>It's about how long you take to.

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<v Speaker 9>Reply, whether you put any effort into your messages or not,

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<v Speaker 9>if you ask questions and initiate, or you just react

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<v Speaker 9>to what they're saying, all of that creates a subtext,

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<v Speaker 9>and that subtext is what people are using to figure

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<v Speaker 9>out how interested and invested you are in them.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not bull cramp m M. It's not.

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<v Speaker 3>So it just kind of goes.

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<v Speaker 9>It stays along that line of you know, it has

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<v Speaker 9>a lot to do with the effort that you put

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<v Speaker 9>into your messages, meaning you know, you could send just

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<v Speaker 9>okay or okay and say a couple more words to

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<v Speaker 9>make it seem like you're taking more time for them.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, somewhat related, I have a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>friends now who have embraced don't text, call.

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<v Speaker 1>Or text and say hey, we need to catch up.

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<v Speaker 2>You got a couple of minutes because they've realized that

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<v Speaker 2>the text only staying in touch quote unquote is just

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<v Speaker 2>not nourishing in the same way that a conversation is. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I should be a leader on that, and I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>I've kind of been a follower.

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<v Speaker 9>But I responded to a myst call via text yesterday.

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<v Speaker 9>Oh I just didn't have it in me, man. I

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<v Speaker 9>knew it was going to be a thirty minute phone call.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, a special exemption for that one, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>Stay tuned Tim Sander for next hour.

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<v Speaker 3>Armstrong and Getty