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Speaker 2: Everybody, Our friend Alex Berenson is in the mix once again.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk to him about make America healthy again,

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Speaker 2: about the Biden cognitive decline story, which just got a

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Speaker 2: big addition to that timeline from the New York Times

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Speaker 2: over the weekend. And yes, some'm Epstein stuff because I

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Speaker 2: haven't had his take yet on it, and we still

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Speaker 2: have a lot of people who are very fired up

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Speaker 2: about this, mister Berenson. Of course, Unreported Truths on Substack

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Speaker 2: Go Subscribe does great work there, sir. I just want

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Speaker 2: to I want to give you the floor. We haven't

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Speaker 2: talked you and I on the show about Epstein stuff yet. People,

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Speaker 2: where what is your take with where we are right

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Speaker 2: now on this?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I should be asking you because we

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Speaker 1: know you handled him for the CIA.

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Speaker 3: We know that was your job. Yeah, it didn't even joke, right.

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Speaker 2: How many people think I'm handling Clay for the CIA

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Speaker 2: based on what he says of this? I'm like, guys,

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Speaker 2: it's no one.

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Speaker 3: No one could.

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Speaker 2: Handle Clay trust me, but anyway, go ahead.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean I almost didn't even want to make the joke because,

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Speaker 2: Know, there's gonna be people in the comments who are

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Speaker 2: like he's.

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Speaker 3: Saying it because it's true. It's like, oh right, it's no, no,

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Speaker 3: it's not.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I you know you said before we started,

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Speaker 1: like you feel like we've said everybody said all there

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Speaker 1: is like the reason this still has a hold is

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Speaker 1: because it is so weird, right, what's happened in the

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Speaker 1: Elon saying you know that that Trump was in the files,

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Speaker 1: you know, this allegation about Bannon. I don't I tend

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Speaker 1: not to believe in big conspiracies, okay, And so which.

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Speaker 2: Is which is saying something considering you were the guy

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Speaker 2: that the Biden administration worked with big tech to like

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Speaker 2: so for you to say you're not into conspiracies as

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Speaker 2: in the area, right.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, I can't get any of the others.

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Speaker 3: I can't get anybody.

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Speaker 1: Except you practically to acknowledge that this happened, which is,

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Speaker 1: you know, totally gaslighting and mind blowing and you know,

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Speaker 1: like insanity making for me this that you know that

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Speaker 3: So we know the mainstream media has blinders.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we know that that you know that Jeffrey Epson

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Speaker 1: was a really bad guy, and that he procured a

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Speaker 1: I don't think they were five year olds, but you

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Speaker 3: They were teenage girls.

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Speaker 1: They were being taken advantage of their often from either

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Speaker 3: There's no question about all of that.

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Speaker 1: Would that make him in an attractive target to an

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Speaker 1: of course it would, right. I mean that that's not

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Speaker 1: that's not a conspiracy. I don't think to suggest that

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Speaker 2: It was substantially it was substantially downgraded from what anybody

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, that's right and so but but like again,

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Speaker 1: I don't really think that suggesting that that's a possibility

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Speaker 2: I told well twenty years ago, because I think what

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Speaker 1: I mean, was he doing the worst or was he

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Speaker 1: Let's let's be clear, right like like what Epstein is

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Speaker 3: Was the CIA, the DEA, the FBI.

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Speaker 1: Some foreign intelligence service, who knows, and still not think

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Speaker 1: that the crazy stuff that they're like pedophiles run the government,

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Speaker 1: and you know, it's all being kept secret to save

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Speaker 3: Whatever the not I mean. I'll say this.

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Speaker 2: I've had a lot of people. I've had a lot

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Speaker 2: angry at me, very angry at Clay. And I still

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Speaker 2: I think that Epstein was engaged in blackmail. I think

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Speaker 3: That as a fact.

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Speaker 2: I do know that the suicide was super sketchy.

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Speaker 2: And also the way that this has been handled with

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Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, the people who

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Speaker 2: and talking about public domain, you really should just be

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Speaker 2: mad at Donald Trump, because he's told you now very clearly,

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Speaker 2: we have shared what needs to be shared. This issue

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Speaker 2: So it is not it is the the irrational break

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Speaker 2: that I've had to make clear, rather the cognitive dissonance

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Speaker 2: that I've had to call out is you can't be

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Speaker 2: but not be mad at Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: No, but I totally agree. I think you've you've laid

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Speaker 1: it out perfectly. But I think people are mad at Trump.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it seems to me from the

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Speaker 2: Lot some of them are, some of them are. That's

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Speaker 2: what I'm just saying. You can't be mad at the

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Speaker 2: people that aren't as far you know, as as sort

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Speaker 2: the people out there seem very clearly are. Without saying

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Speaker 2: that this is this is a decision, This decision has

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Speaker 2: so that is where this is.

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Speaker 1: Is he going to be able to hold to that?

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Speaker 1: I you know, I guess, I guess we'll see. But

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Speaker 1: clearly there are people who are unsatisfied. And what's also

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Speaker 1: very interesting is now that the left, right, the left,

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Speaker 3: They've seen an opportunity.

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Speaker 2: They realize there's a huge fracture that they can exploit here,

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Speaker 2: and they're finally it's I've been everybody I know on

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Speaker 2: They don't understand we're with this that doesn't work. What actually,

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Speaker 1: No, no, I would just say the only thing that

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Speaker 1: Magabase in any way was the vaccines, and he and

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Speaker 1: he successfully navigated that. Actually, I mean, because you know,

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Speaker 1: the m RNAs, And he what he figured out was

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Speaker 1: find a way to navigate this. But this is bigger

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, no, I think for a lot of people,

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Speaker 2: Alexi to work with the New York Times. We can

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Speaker 2: have a fun conversation about that. I love just putting

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Speaker 2: So it's it's like, it's all right, it's a book

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 1: Now to try to put some limits on the mRNA shots,

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Speaker 3: Thanks, thank you. Sure