1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast. 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: Sports Radio in noon to three Eastern nine am to 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: noone Pacific. Find your local station for the Herd at 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: or FSR. 8 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowver 9 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio. 10 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 3: Welcome in, It's the Herd. I'm Danny Parkins in for 11 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,959 Speaker 3: Colin from the great city of Chicago. It is an 12 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 3: honor and a thrill to be here. We're ahead of 13 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 3: the trade that line tomorrow, so we'll talk to Ken 14 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 3: Rosenthal later on this hour see if any team can 15 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 3: bridge the gap between them and the Dodgers. And if 16 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 3: a Cowboys personnel person is speaking, they're probably saying something weird, 17 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 3: so we'll get to that as well. But I want 18 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 3: to begin with noting the calendar. It's July thirtieth, and 19 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 3: on August thirtieth, there's a pretty big college football game 20 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 3: Texas and Ohio State, which means we get to see 21 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 3: for real if Arch Manning can live up to and 22 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 3: begin to even attempt to live up to this ridiculous 23 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 3: and dare I say unprecedented level of hype because I 24 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 3: can't wait for the game. He is the most compelling 25 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 3: story in college football this year. A Manning is playing 26 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 3: quarterback as the Heisman Trophy favorite for the team that 27 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 3: is the second favorite to win the national championship. I 28 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 3: am not at all surprised that there is a lot 29 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:48,919 Speaker 3: of hype around Arch Manning. But the hype around Arch Manning, 30 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 3: to me, for now, should be college football hype, not 31 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 3: NFL hype. And if I'm saying that, I'm more of 32 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 3: an NFL guy than a college guy. So I just 33 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 3: think the place that we're in here is Jimmy claus 34 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 3: And esque. And I'll explain what I mean. In basketball, 35 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 3: all the time, before you've played a minute of college ball, 36 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 3: we are talking about you in the NBA Cooper Flag, 37 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 3: Zion Williamson, Victor Wembinnama whatever. We've seen it time and 38 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 3: time and time again in basketball. In football, you normally 39 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 3: have to have college production and college hype in order 40 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 3: for us to talk about you as a pro. There 41 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 3: aren't that many guys who came out of high school 42 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 3: before they really played any college ball, and we know 43 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 3: that guy's gonna be the number one pick in the draft, 44 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 3: and Arch Manning has ninety five career college pass attempts. 45 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 3: Arch Manning was on the sideline for a long time 46 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 3: behind Quinn yours. But he's a Manning. If his name 47 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 3: was Arch Jones, which is kind of a cool name, 48 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 3: we wouldn't be talking about him as the number one 49 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 3: overall pick. And I loved Collins theory. Jimmy Haslam, owner 50 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 3: of the Browns, knows the Manning family terrible NFL team 51 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 3: quarterback starvation, multiple first round picks. Go get Go, get 52 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 3: sab In, go get Arch Manning. Put the band back 53 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,119 Speaker 3: together and try to save the Cleveland Browns. So there's 54 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 3: been a ton of speculation on this show and elsewhere 55 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 3: about Arch Manning the Cleveland. They asked Jimmy Haslam about it, 56 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 3: and he's not exactly fan in the flames. 57 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: I think if you know the Manning family, I would 58 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: bet that, and I don't know Arch at all. 59 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 3: Okay, I bet he stays in college two years, So 60 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,839 Speaker 3: that's I don't even think that's worth discussing. I don't 61 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 3: even think it's worth discussing, he says, which, oh, maybe 62 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 3: he's a secret operative agent for the Manning family and 63 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 3: he's doing their bidding. We need to see if this 64 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 3: kid is legit. He might be, I don't know. Touchdown. 65 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 3: The interception ratio in college is great, but this is 66 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 3: a different animal. This level of hype, this level of competition, 67 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 3: this level of expectation, all of it is way different 68 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 3: than anything we've ever seen him do before. Shador Sanders 69 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 3: had a lot of hype because of his last name. 70 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 3: Arch Manning is obviously going to have an extra level 71 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 3: of hype because of his last name. But there are 72 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 3: just not a ton of examples in college football where 73 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 3: with this level or this amount, this lack of college production, 74 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 3: we're already slating you to be the number one pick 75 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 3: in the draft. Garrett nus Meyer at LSU, Drew Aller 76 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 3: at Penn State, supposed to be a good quarterback class. 77 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 3: There are other guys that are way more accomplished in 78 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 3: college than Arch Manning is at this point. Kyler Murray, 79 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 3: when he came out Tech High School in Texas forty 80 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 3: two to h talked about, oh, maybe this best high 81 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 3: school prospect in the state of Texas, maybe he's going 82 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 3: to be the number one pick, and he ended up 83 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 3: being the number one pick, but he had a transfer, 84 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 3: he had to sit out, there were questions about his size. 85 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 3: It wasn't a lock from day one, and then he 86 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 3: had to go out there and ball out and win 87 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 3: the Heisman Trophy and actually earn it. Arch is going 88 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 3: to get that chance. But normally, when it's a guy 89 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 3: that gets all the hype beforehand, it's tough to live 90 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 3: up to. Jimmy Clawson obviously didn't. Trevor Lawrence ended up 91 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 3: being the number one overall picks certainly hasn't lived up 92 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 3: to the hype thus far, even though the Jaguars gave 93 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 3: him that second contract. It's just much more of a 94 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 3: basketball thing. And while an owner saying something at a 95 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 3: training camp press conference isn't the biggest deal in the world. 96 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 3: When you figure Jimmy Haslam, Tennessee booster brother, governor of Tennessee, knows, 97 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 3: Peyton knows, the Manning family has a terrible team, would 98 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 3: absolutely be interested in drafting a Manning. On its surface, 99 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 3: it's not nothing. And so this isn't like protect the 100 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 3: kid like he's a Manning. He's at Texas, He's gonna 101 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 3: have hype. He'll be able to handle it. It's part 102 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 3: of the deal, and it's part of the burden of 103 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 3: carrying that last name. But I'm actually almost more interested 104 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 3: in seeing if he's good. How good is he? He 105 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 3: looks good, his coach says he's good. His coach, by 106 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 3: the way, when he was on with Colin, made him 107 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 3: sound a lot like his uncle Peyton. Here's sark. 108 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 4: His work ethic is incredible, whether it's you know, studying tape, 109 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 4: studying film, studying the playbook, working at his craft, you know, 110 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 4: in the late room like that, that is, whether it's 111 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 4: innate in him or uh it was you know, handed 112 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 4: down from his uncles, whatever, whatever it was, his work 113 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 4: ethic is really pretty incredible. And and that lends itself 114 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 4: to the teammate that he is too. And again that's 115 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 4: not to take away the arm talent, the deep ball, 116 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 4: the athleticism, all that. I think all those things are 117 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 4: a byproduct of how hard he works at his craft 118 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 4: and how hard he works at being a great teammate. 119 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 3: So that obviously sounds a lot like a Manning. But 120 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 3: let's just learn from history. This time last year, Carson 121 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 3: Beck was the number one pick and he ended up 122 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 3: going back to school. Peyton Manning went back to school, 123 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 3: reportedly because he didn't want to be drafted by the Jets, 124 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 3: and we know about Eli skipping out on the Chargers 125 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 3: to go be a Giant. Maybe that's fair, maybe it isn't. 126 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 3: But there is a long way to go here. This 127 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 3: story is way closer to the beginning than the end. 128 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 3: And I have no idea if he'll play one year 129 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 3: at college football, two years of college football, end up 130 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 3: being the number one overall pick, live up to the 131 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 3: last name, or ultimately fall short. It's a tremendous amount 132 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 3: of hype, almost impossible to live up to. Hey, you've 133 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 3: thrown ninety five passes in college, but you're expected to 134 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 3: be in the National Championship Game and win the Heisman 135 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 3: Trophy and oh yeah, by the way, you're a Manning. 136 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 3: Both your uncles were number one picks at quarterback. Almost 137 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 3: impossible for this kid to live up to the hype. 138 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 3: But it feels to me like we are still years 139 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 3: away from him in the NFL, not at all, one 140 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 3: season away from March Manning being the number one overall pick. 141 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 3: You know, it's not terribly often when you're in this 142 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 3: business that you get to be proven right that quickly, 143 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 3: but earlier in the week. And it's only Wednesday, so 144 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 3: you know we're in the middle of the week. I said, 145 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 3: NFL all contracts now have so much money attached to 146 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 3: them that holdouts are a thing of the past. Disgruntled 147 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 3: players are not a thing of the past, but they're 148 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 3: hold out to like an endangered species. They're not gone, 149 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 3: we'll see him again, but way less common in a 150 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 3: post Leveon Bell world. I think that was like a 151 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 3: real turning point for players. Le'Veon Bell sat out a 152 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 3: bunch of games. It seemed to impact him when he 153 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 3: came back, and he was never the same player since 154 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 3: it hurt him financially, reputationally and with production on the field. 155 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 3: But as the money in the NFL continues to grow 156 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 3: and grow and grow in skyrocket, it's no reason to 157 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,719 Speaker 3: hold out. And I bring that up because Trey Hendrickson 158 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 3: was so wildly disappointed in how the Bengals were handling 159 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 3: him that he was in Florida when the team reported 160 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 3: the camp, and then yesterday he reported the camp. And 161 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 3: so will Trey Hendrickson sign? I don't know when will 162 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 3: he sign? I don't know, but it feels inevitable that 163 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 3: this thing will get done because if you just think 164 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 3: about it, Trey Hendrickson, he's drastically outperformed his contract where 165 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 3: he's expected to make sixteen million bucks this year. Holding 166 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 3: out from camp and not being there. He was getting 167 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 3: fined fifty thousand dollars a day you go to camp. 168 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 3: That stops. He wants to make presumably what TJ. Watt got, 169 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 3: what Miles Garrett got, because his sack production is similar 170 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 3: to those guys, his age is similar to those guys. 171 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 3: He feels like based on production, he's in that class, 172 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 3: even if athletically he isn't. Maybe he has more pure 173 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 3: pass rushing situations because of the talent of the offense, 174 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 3: that sort of thing. I don't think anyone would say 175 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 3: he's a better player than Miles Garrett, but he's got 176 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 3: the argument to be a north of thirty thirty five 177 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 3: million dollars per year pass rusher, no question about it. 178 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 3: He is underpaid relative to his production. But so let's 179 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 3: say the Bengals in his mind are low balling him 180 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 3: and they're only offering him thirty three million dollars a year, Well, 181 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 3: that's doubling his money from sixteen million, and in a 182 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 3: non guaranteed sport. Not many people are in a position 183 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 3: to turn down thirty three million dollars per season, and 184 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 3: those numbers are just hypothetical. But the point is that 185 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 3: there is so much money now that it's going to 186 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 3: be very difficult for guys to take a principled stand 187 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 3: and feel tremendously slighted when we're talking about tens of 188 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 3: millions of dollars a year to play football. And so 189 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 3: I think ultimately this gets done. Post Leveon bel Chris 190 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 3: Jones was a high profile one. Jonathan Taylor, you know, 191 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 3: missed a couple of games. But for the most part, 192 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 3: guys hold in. Guys make noise, Guys leak things to 193 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 3: the press, guys go on their podcasts. But ultimately all 194 00:11:55,040 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 3: of these deals get done. And in Cincinnati they look 195 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 3: at it like, hey, we've got an offense that is 196 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 3: super Bowl ready, scored nearly twenty eight points per game 197 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 3: last year, twenty seven point eight last five years. If 198 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 3: you've got an offense that scores more than twenty seven 199 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 3: points per game on average, you win twelve games per year. 200 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 3: Bengals won nine and that was all because of their defense. 201 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 3: So what do they do? They went out and hired 202 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 3: Al Golden to be their defensive coordinator. They drafted Shamar Stewart, 203 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 3: three of their first four draft picks were on the 204 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 3: defensive side of the ball, and probably pay Trey Hendrickson. 205 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 3: I'll be shocked if they don't pay Trey Hendrickson because 206 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 3: they have the money to pay Trey Hendrickson and he's 207 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 3: by far their best defensive player. So, assuming Trey Hendrickson 208 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 3: is back, and then they have this influx of draft 209 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 3: talent plus a new defensive coordinator Bump, and the offense 210 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 3: stays the same, the Bengals feel like we can win 211 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 3: the AFC North and in the playoffs, we've got Joe 212 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 3: Burrow and we can score thirty a game and we 213 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 3: can go out there and make a run. And that's 214 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 3: where the leverage for a guy like Hendrickson helps, because 215 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 3: he'd be like, Hey, you guys are trying to win 216 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 3: a Super Bowl for Joe Burrow, right, I'm your best 217 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 3: defensive player. Let's go get this thing done. And so 218 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 3: when you see contract stories in May, June, July, players 219 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 3: are supposed to be unhappy during negotiations. That's just kind 220 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 3: of how it works at this point. So I was 221 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 3: not surprised at all to see Trey Hendrickson report to camp, 222 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 3: he says, or the reports are that it's a good 223 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 3: faith effort to jumpstart negotiations. Smart play, don't get fined, 224 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 3: jump start your negotiations. Ultimately, be a little disappointed by 225 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 3: what they offer you. Double your salary at least, and 226 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 3: go try to win twelve football games and be a 227 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 3: double digitsack guy once again. Huge time of the year 228 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 3: in baseball right now, the Dodgers are clearly the best team, 229 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 3: but can one of the teams in that next group, 230 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 3: which is very bunched up, make a big trade to 231 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 3: close the gap? Ken Rosenthal in a bit, I'm Danny 232 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 3: Parkinson for Colin. This is the Hurd. 233 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 234 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 2: and neon eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 235 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 236 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 5: Hey, we're Cavino and Rich Fox Sports Radio every day 237 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 5: five to seven pm Eastern. 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Listen Over Promised 262 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 6: with Cavino and Rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts 263 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 6: or wherever you get your podcasts. 264 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 3: We roll on on the Herd on Danny Parkins in 265 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 3: for Colin at the top of the hour. Why do 266 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 3: a top five for a top ten a favorite over 267 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 3: under when you can do all thirty two. It's gambling 268 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 3: season in the NFL, because it's always gambling season in 269 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 3: the NFL, and when UH Cowboys executives speak, it's apparently 270 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 3: silly season. I love this organization. They're the best. It's 271 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 3: so fun. It's thirty years since the Super Bowl, thirty 272 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 3: one teams and one television production. Everyone has an opinion, 273 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 3: love him or hate them. They have star players, they 274 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 3: have legitimate hype and expectation. Because it's not like they're 275 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 3: not bad. We sometimes talk about them like they're a 276 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 3: terrible organization. They aren't. They've drafted and developed more Pro 277 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 3: Bowlers than any team in the last decade other than 278 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 3: the Ravens. Micah Parsons is elite, Ceede Lamb is elite. 279 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 3: Dak Prescott highest paid quarterback, was second in the MVP 280 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 3: a couple of years ago. But Stephen Jones went on 281 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 3: the radio in Dallas and he pushed back against a 282 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 3: very common media narrative. I have a theory that maybe 283 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 3: you guys drag out the deals to get engagement from 284 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 3: the media, and it's like the best two million bucks 285 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 3: you can spend having to give Dak a few more. Well, 286 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 3: let's just start off, we don't agree on that. 287 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 7: We don't drag deals at We do deals when there's 288 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 7: an opportunity to do a deal, and certainly no one 289 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 7: knows what goes on internally with a particular negotiation. But 290 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 7: you know, sometimes agents and players aren't ready to pull 291 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 7: the trigger till they see other cards play. 292 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 3: So this is one of those weird times where I'm 293 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 3: going to try to operate in the area of gray. 294 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 3: Multiple things can be true. I think the Cowboys drag 295 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 3: out deals and it costs them some millions of dollars 296 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 3: on the margins. I also think we overstate how big 297 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 3: of a deal that is, and he is correct. Stephen 298 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 3: Jones is correct that we do not know what these 299 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 3: players are doing, and sometimes the best players of their position, 300 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 3: who really do not have any risk of getting paid, 301 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 3: are very interested in waiting things out. Dak Prescott had 302 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 3: a no tag clause and no trade clause. We haven't 303 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 3: seen a player have that kind of leverage since Tom Brady, 304 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 3: like it is super rare. Hey, I'm second for MVP. 305 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 3: We led the league in scoring. I could walk, you'd 306 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 3: get me, You'd get nothing for me. Now they did 307 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 3: that after that four year, one hundred and sixty million 308 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 3: dollar deal was smart by Dak's agent to put the 309 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 3: no tag, no trade clothes in. But Dak, of course, 310 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 3: he's like, I want to it to get paid before me. 311 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 3: I want Jordan Love to get paid before me, because 312 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 3: I want to set the bar higher, and I've got 313 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 3: the Cowboys over a barrel. Ceedee lamb. He didn't have 314 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 3: the no tag, no trade clause, but the guy who 315 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 3: was the only part of the Cowboys offense got one 316 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 3: hundred and eighty targets superstar player. He wanted to see 317 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 3: what Justin Jefferson was going to get. He didn't want 318 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 3: to risk low balling himself and then be passed over 319 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 3: by like DeVante Smith or something. He wanted to wait 320 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 3: it out as long as possible. Michaeh Parsons says that 321 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 3: he would have signed last year. We have no idea 322 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,120 Speaker 3: if that is true or not, And we have no 323 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 3: idea if Micah Parsons would have accepted Nick Bosa's at 324 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 3: the time record setting deal for an edge rusher. Seems 325 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 3: like he would have reasonably, but we don't really know 326 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 3: whether he would have or would not have. But the 327 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 3: Cowboys I do think whether they would call it dragging 328 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 3: it out or not, because of the access that we 329 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 3: get to Jerry Jones to Stephen Jones. Like that clip 330 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 3: that we just played you was from local radio in Dallas. 331 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 3: Jerry Jones goes on local radio in Dallas weekly. During 332 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 3: the season. He did a press conference with Cowboys cheerleaders 333 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 3: behind him. He talked about Micah Parsons at the beginning 334 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,479 Speaker 3: of training camp and took a shot at Dak Prescott. 335 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 3: We don't hear from Howie Roseman like that. We don't 336 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 3: hear from Brett Viach like that in Kansas City. We 337 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 3: don't hear like from Ryan Poles like that in Chicago, 338 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 3: or John Schneider like that in Seattle. We do not 339 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 3: hear from these people with the same degree of frequency 340 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 3: that we hear from them in Dallas. And I think 341 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 3: that is what directly leads to what that radio host 342 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 3: was talking about. Like, you guys, eat this up. Whether 343 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 3: you call it dragging it out or not, you absolutely 344 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 3: play the media to get into the news cycle. Because, 345 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 3: as I pointed out earlier in the week, I think 346 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 3: Jerry Jones gave away the game in the Netflix stock 347 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 3: in the trailer it's a soap opera, three hundred and 348 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 3: sixty five days a year his words. So I actually 349 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 3: think the Cowboys have a little bit of a leg 350 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,959 Speaker 3: to stand on on the not dragging out deals thing. 351 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 3: We don't know what the players are doing in those negotiations, 352 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 3: and the best players with the most leverage do tend 353 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 3: to want to wait till the final moment in this 354 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 3: era of the NFL because they already are financially secure. 355 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,239 Speaker 3: They make a ton of money from endorsements, they make 356 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 3: a ton of money from media deals. Dak Prescott had 357 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 3: already been paid that they are willing to be last 358 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 3: because the last guy to sign gets the most money. 359 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 3: So I actually think they have a lot to stand 360 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 3: on with that. But they have no leg to stand 361 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 3: on on. But we're not really perpetuating this narrative, and 362 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 3: we don't talk about Yeah, you do. You drag it 363 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 3: out as much as anybody, and you just say funny 364 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 3: things like Brian Schottenheimer's already exceeding expectations. You haven't played 365 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 3: a preseason game yet. How's the exceeding expectations? He rearranged 366 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 3: the lockers in the locker room, people are like sitting 367 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 3: next to different people. He hasn't done anything yet, so 368 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 3: that with all of that access, with these weird personalities, 369 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 3: you say weird stuff, and that's what gets the narrative going, 370 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 3: that's what gets the news cycle going, and that's what 371 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 3: keeps you out there. So I'm here for it. Keep 372 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 3: talking because I actually, legitimately do find them fascinating. I 373 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 3: know a lot of people like, well, I've got cowboys fatigue. 374 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 3: I don't know. They won twelve games three years in 375 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 3: a row, fired Mike McCarthy and hired a guy who 376 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 3: was already on the staff with the highest paid quarterback 377 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 3: in the NFL, a top five defensive player in the NFL, 378 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 3: and a top five receiver in the NFL. They are 379 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 3: objectively interesting. Keep talking, Jones family. I absolutely love it. 380 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 3: I want to talk now, though, about a guy who 381 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 3: I wish was a cowboy, because as much hype as 382 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 3: Travis Hunter is getting, I actually do not think it 383 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 3: is nearly enough for what he is trying to do 384 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 3: and what I believe he is about to accomplish. We 385 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 3: know that Travis Hunter is special, but for some reason, 386 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 3: people keep asking the same question about Travis Hunter. Can 387 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 3: you play both sides? Is it possible to do this 388 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 3: in the NFL. Doesn't matter what the Jaguars say, doesn't 389 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 3: matter how they drafted him, doesn't matter how they're working 390 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 3: them out at practice. He every time he speaks, he 391 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 3: kept being keeps being asked these questions. And here's the 392 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 3: latest on how Travis Hunter responded to it. 393 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 8: I need to be able to progress everything fast quick. 394 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 8: If the offense change on defensive. When I'm on defensis 395 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 8: far as the offense change the scrimp, I gotta know 396 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 8: what I'm doing right away, and as the offensive the 397 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 8: change play, I gotta know what I'm doing right away. 398 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 8: So I like that we starting off slow, get me adjusted, 399 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 8: makeing sure I know where I need to be on 400 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 8: one side of the ball each day, and then it 401 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 8: all come together. 402 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 3: He says that the people that doubt that he can 403 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 3: do this, the haters, make him smile. I just want 404 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,239 Speaker 3: to be very clear and on the record, Travis, I 405 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 3: do not doubt that you can do this. I am 406 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,719 Speaker 3: firmly in your camp, and I don't think it is 407 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 3: as crazy as many people are making it out to be. 408 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 3: And I understand that someone who looks like me, questioning 409 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 3: the analysis of the former NFL players who say this 410 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 3: is impossible feels a little ridiculous. But I think a 411 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 3: place that media, common people, and even ex athletes are 412 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 3: way behind on is how incredible the modern athlete is 413 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 3: and how incredible sports science is. We've seen great athletes before, right, 414 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 3: Bo Jackson historically great athlete, Deion Sanders historically great athlete, 415 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,719 Speaker 3: best cornerback in the NFL, played receiver. His best year 416 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 3: as a receiver is like thirty six catches. It was 417 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 3: the year he took off from baseball. We've seen guys 418 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 3: try to play both ways before, but nowadays, sports science, 419 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 3: sleep science, nutritionists, massage, therapy, everything that these guys can do, 420 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 3: it's different. It used to be, hey, you're a running back. 421 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 3: Once you hit twenty seven, you fall off the clip. 422 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 3: Now we've got Derrick Henry at thirty approaching eighteen hundred 423 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 3: yard seasons. It's just a different era. These guys are better. 424 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 3: Lebron is playing twenty two years in the NBA. Tom 425 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 3: Brady is winning MVPs and Super Bowl MVPs into his forties. 426 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers is still playing. Athletes have just gotten better. 427 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 3: So why can't Travis Hunter be a great defensive player 428 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 3: and a great offensive player in the NFL when in 429 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 3: college he was a great defensive player and great offensive player. 430 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 3: He won the Bulletnikoff Award and the Banneric Award. He 431 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 3: won the award for the best Receiver. He won an 432 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 3: award for the best defensive player in college. And this 433 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 3: is one of my favorite stats because I feel like 434 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 3: this is going to fall this year. This record most 435 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 3: snaps played by a single player in a season. It's 436 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 3: not a household name, but Malcolm Jenkins in twenty fourteen 437 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 3: and twenty fifteen was over thirteen hundred and fifty snaps. 438 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 3: He played every game as a corner and then he 439 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 3: also would play on the coverage units on special teams, 440 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,479 Speaker 3: so it was thirteen hundred and fifty seven snaps. As 441 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 3: the record for most snaps in a season by an 442 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 3: NFL player, Travis Hunter played fourteen hundred and eighty three 443 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 3: snaps in thirteen games last year in thirteen games. So 444 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 3: if Travis Hunter shatters Malcolm Jenkins's record for most snaps 445 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 3: in a season as a rookie and at the rate 446 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 3: that he did it in college, if he did it 447 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 3: in the NFL, he would break it by like four 448 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 3: hundred snaps. But let's assume that they're going to slow 449 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 3: play it a little bit. He can change the sport. 450 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 3: He can change how we think about what a world 451 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 3: class athlete in football is able to do. And that 452 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 3: to me is excited because in baseball with Shoeyo Tani, 453 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 3: it's blowing all of our minds. But you've got to 454 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 3: do it from a young age. You've got to keep 455 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 3: doing it from a young age. And maybe we will 456 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 3: see the next show Heyo Tani in ten or fifteen years. 457 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 3: If Travis Hunter proves that he can do this, we're 458 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 3: going to see it much quicker in the NFL. Hey, 459 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 3: you're an awesome athlete. Can you catch? Let's put you 460 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 3: out there on both sides of the ball. And I 461 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 3: think that the possibilities and the expectations of what Jacksonville 462 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 3: is trying to do with this kid is so potentially 463 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 3: game changing in landscape shifting that if he just wasn't 464 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 3: in Jacksonville, we'd be talking it way more. He's by 465 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 3: far one of the most interesting stories of this upcoming 466 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 3: NFL season, and I just want to be very clear, 467 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 3: he will do it, and I expect him to do it. 468 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 469 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 2: at noon eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 470 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 471 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 3: The home you've worked so hard for is ready to 472 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 3: work hard for you with a home equity loan from 473 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 3: Rocket Mortgage. To learn how you can turn your home's 474 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 3: equity into cash, visit Rocket Mortgage dot com today. Rocket 475 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 3: Mortgage LLC Licensed in fifty states, NMLS Consumer Access dot 476 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 3: Org number thirty thirty. Welcome back in to the Herd. 477 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 3: I'm Danny Parkins in for Colin. 478 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 5: Soon. 479 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 3: You'll be able to catch me on first things first, 480 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 3: but you can always catch this man. He is a 481 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 3: staple of FtF. Former NFL Coach of the Year Eric 482 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 3: Mangini kind enough to join us on the Herd. Coach, 483 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 3: thank you very much for the time. Looking forward to 484 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 3: working with you more closely soon. 485 00:27:58,480 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 9: Yeah, that's going to be fun. 486 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 2: It's good. 487 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 3: It's gonna be fun. 488 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 9: It's going to we can give Nick a hard time together. 489 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 3: Oh, it's one of my passions in life. 490 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 9: It's become a passion of mine as well. 491 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 3: It's fun. 492 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 5: Fun. 493 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 3: You know, the guy who says he's undefeated in sports arguments, 494 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 3: It's fun to kind of back him into a corner 495 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 3: and laugh at him. But help me out with these stories. 496 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 3: You know, Terry McLaurin, he was holding out but then 497 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 3: he's back. Trey Hendrickson holding out and then he's back. 498 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 3: You obviously would deal with this, but Hendrickson's the most 499 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 3: high profile one. Are you surprised at all on how 500 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 3: this has gone down between Hendrickson and the Bengals. 501 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 9: I'm not completely surprised at all. And you were talking 502 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 9: about before the break the fifty thousand dollars fine, and 503 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,959 Speaker 9: the difference for the fifty thousand dollars fine now versus 504 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 9: what it was before is that fine is not forgivable. 505 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 9: So when these guys are getting hit with that fifty 506 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 9: thousand dollars number, even when the deal is done, someone's 507 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 9: got to pay that number. So either the team's got 508 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 9: to compensate the player for the fifty thousand dollars per day. 509 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 9: So look, if you go over the course of a month, 510 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 9: it could be over a million dollars million and a 511 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 9: half dollars or the player's got to deal with that, 512 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 9: where previously, when you redid the contract, you could forgive 513 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 9: the fine, So those numbers are more meaningful and with Hendrickson. 514 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 9: Hendrickson's situation, he signed the initial four year deal, and 515 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 9: then two years into that deal he wanted some more money, 516 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 9: so they gave him eight million dollars up front, they 517 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 9: gave another eight million dollars guaranteed, and they added a 518 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 9: year to his deal, which is this year right now, 519 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 9: which he's unhappy about. So I understand from an organization's perspective, 520 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 9: the organization's perspective that they don't want to have to 521 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 9: keep redoing deals. And I understand from Hendrickson's perspective too, 522 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 9: He's he has been outstanding, and he's been outstanding on 523 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 9: a team that is in desperate need of defensive players 524 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,719 Speaker 9: that are outstanding. So he's got a lot of leverage 525 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 9: as well. So they've got to find some sort of 526 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 9: happy medium to give the team a chance to be successful. 527 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 9: And what's been in Cincinnati's biggest problem is is slow starts. Right, 528 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 9: slow starts have killed them. So if they don't get 529 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 9: Hendrickson back to the start of the season and he 530 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 9: doesn't play as well as he could, that could be that, 531 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 9: you know, part of another Cincinnati slow start and another 532 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 9: problematic finish of the season for him. 533 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 3: So in Dallas. There's also a contract story, but frankly, 534 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 3: I find the contract stories a little tedious because they 535 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 3: ultimately they ultimately get done and we're parsing millions of 536 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 3: dollars for millionaires already. But the big story in Dallas 537 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 3: to me anyway, is Brian Schottenheimer and where they go 538 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,239 Speaker 3: from there. Michael will get done shot. He was on 539 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 3: your staff, so you know him. I was surprised that 540 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 3: they hired someone who's already with Mike McCarthy. What will 541 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 3: the differences be between Schottenheimer and McCarthy. 542 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 9: You know, I I think Brian is an underrated candidate. 543 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 9: And when I hire Brian, one of the things that 544 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 9: I really liked about him is not only was he 545 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 9: smart and had good relationships with players, but he was 546 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 9: also flexible. So he had a system that he ran 547 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 9: that was really had given us problems in New England 548 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 9: that I wanted to bring with me to the Jets. 549 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 9: He was willing to run that system, but he was 550 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 9: willing to incorporate other things into that system in order 551 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 9: to make it our system, in order to take advantage 552 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 9: of the players that we had. And I loved that 553 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 9: flexibility that he showed. And now Look, it's been quite 554 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 9: a few years since then, so he's learned a lot, 555 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 9: he's got a ton of experience, and he's a first 556 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 9: time head coach, just like all these first time head 557 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 9: coaches are. But I think he's got just as much 558 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 9: potential to be successful there as any other any of 559 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 9: the other first time head coaches. 560 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 3: I want to follow up on that. I feel like 561 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 3: I always hear coaches say I'm going to build the 562 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 3: system around my players, around the personnel that we have. 563 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 3: But then there are so many examples. And I'm a 564 00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 3: Bears fan. I saw it in Chicago. You know, Matt 565 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 3: nag You trying to fit Justin Fields into his system 566 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 3: was probably the most prominent example of my fandom where 567 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 3: it was very clear that they weren't really building a 568 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 3: system around the player. They were trying to fit the 569 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 3: player into their system. Why is that so difficult for 570 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 3: so many coaches to actually do build a system around 571 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 3: the talent that they have. 572 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 9: Well, when you're raised in a system, and when you've 573 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 9: had success in a system and you've seen it work 574 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 9: at a really high level, which most of these guys 575 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 9: who have gotten head coaching jobs that that's been the case, 576 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 9: and then you go to a new program and that's 577 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 9: your expertise. You tend to want to bring all those 578 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 9: good things and show the group, hey, this has real value, 579 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 9: which is which is great, which is which which over 580 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 9: time can work really well. But you also have to 581 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 9: understand that and this is happening right now a lot 582 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 9: Denny in training campuses, you go into a season with 583 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,479 Speaker 9: who you want to be, and then the good coaching 584 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 9: staffs figure out who they need to be. That's the 585 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 9: different between between good staffs and great sass is knowing 586 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 9: who you want to be and then realizing who you 587 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 9: need to be in order to be successful that year. 588 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 9: And you have to you have to have enough humbleness 589 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 9: and openness to say this isn't going to work right now. 590 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 9: It's it's not that it's bad, it's just not good 591 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,719 Speaker 9: for us right now. And what's best for the player 592 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 9: is that we do X, Y and D that he's 593 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 9: really good at. And when I brought Brett Favre into 594 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 9: New York, I wasn't going to try to run our 595 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 9: system that didn't fit Brett Farv. I was going to 596 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 9: do the things that Brett Farv did really well to 597 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 9: make sure he was the best version of himself. And 598 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 9: you saw that in Tampa Bay with Tom Brady. Initially 599 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 9: they were doing you know, they weren't doing what Tom 600 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 9: did really well. When they pivoted towards what Tom did 601 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 9: really well and ended up bringing to the Super Bowl. 602 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 9: And it's the same thing with young players too. You 603 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 9: you just gotta you got to be able to take 604 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 9: a step back and say, hey, this is good. It's 605 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 9: just not good for us right now. The thing is 606 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 9: what's good for this player who's leading us. 607 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 3: I think one of the most fascinating stories in the 608 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 3: NFL this year is Travis Hunter because of what Jacksonville 609 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 3: is trying to do with him, and they are saying, 610 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 3: we're not only going to try it, we're gonna do it. 611 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 3: We're going to play this guy on both sides of 612 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 3: the ball. At camp so far, he's split in terms 613 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 3: of first team reps on offense and defense. It's been 614 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 3: fifty to fifty. And coming up they're going to do 615 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 3: the first practice where he does both in the same day. 616 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,240 Speaker 3: How would you manage an athlete like that as a coach. 617 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 9: Yeah, So in New England we had Troy Brown, the 618 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 9: different athlete he had played. I think he was in 619 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 9: his eleventh year as a wide receiver and never played 620 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 9: on defense and pro football. But we worked him a 621 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 9: camp and he ended up playing on defense as well 622 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,720 Speaker 9: as offense, and that year he played more defensive snaps 623 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 9: than offensive snaps. But my approach with Travis Hunter, and 624 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,879 Speaker 9: I think what would be most efficient is start him 625 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 9: on defense. Let him play full time on defense, because 626 00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:00,839 Speaker 9: you can't guarantee what the other team offense is going 627 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 9: to do. So let's say you want to have him 628 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 9: in dime defense and they come out and they're playing 629 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 9: a bunch of things where you're gonna have to play 630 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 9: more dime than you wanted to, and he's got to 631 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 9: play more refs. 632 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 3: You don't have control. 633 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 9: But if you started on defense, he's playing full time 634 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 9: there and then you play him situationally offensively. That to 635 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 9: me is the best approach to it because you control 636 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 9: when he goes in. So playman on third down, play 637 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:25,879 Speaker 9: him in the red zone, and play him in two 638 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 9: minute on offense, and play him full time on defense 639 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 9: and control what you can control with the athlete and 640 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 9: give him the best chance to maximize his talents and 641 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,320 Speaker 9: impact on both sides. 642 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 3: How many guys do you think are going to be 643 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 3: raising their hands and being like I can do it too. Yeah. 644 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 9: Yeah, Look, there's a lot of guys who believe they 645 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 9: can do it. And even with Travis, the difference is 646 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 9: every athlete he faces is good, and even the guys 647 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 9: that are considered not great in the NFL are probably 648 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,239 Speaker 9: on the highest end of the guys he faced while 649 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 9: he was at Colorado. So to go down in and 650 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,359 Speaker 9: down out against the best athletes that he's faced, it's 651 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 9: hard to do. And we're not talking about twelve games. 652 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,760 Speaker 9: We're talking about seventeen games. And that doesn't even account 653 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 9: for the preseason, That doesn't account for how much longer 654 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 9: the season is, that doesn't account for how much bigger 655 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 9: the playbook is on offense, how much bigger the playbook 656 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 9: is on defense. And as much as he wants to 657 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 9: do this, organizationally, they're going to have to protect him 658 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 9: from himself because the wear and tear is a big thing, 659 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 9: and they want him all season long, and they want 660 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 9: him to have a very long, productive career. So I 661 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 9: hope they don't burn them out here too early and 662 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 9: they let this build at a rate that's sustainable. 663 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 3: So we're going to be working together a lot more 664 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 3: on first things first, and so you've been exposed to 665 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 3: Nick Wright's lists, and so now I want to show 666 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 3: you a perfect list for a change. I just felt 667 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 3: like i'd help you out a little bit. 668 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 9: Finally, I'm going to get a perfect list exactly. 669 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,919 Speaker 3: I see no flaws in my top ten quarterback list. 670 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 3: Coach Eagles fans seem to have a lot of problems 671 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 3: with it, but I'm curious. Mahomes one, Herbert five, Baker nine, 672 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,400 Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts ten. It looks perfect to me. What say you? 673 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 9: Okay, So looking at this as I absolutely agree with 674 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,279 Speaker 9: Mahomes at one. I think your two, three, four are 675 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 9: completely interchangeable. I think if you put those three players 676 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 9: up and said to all thirty two teams you can 677 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,800 Speaker 9: draft any one of these three players, it would probably 678 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 9: be split, you know, in thirds in terms of who 679 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,399 Speaker 9: guys would want based off of the system they had 680 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 9: or which way they were leaning towards. So so those 681 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 9: guys are to me interchangeable. 682 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a clear love for, there's a there's a 683 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 3: clear ten for. The debate is five through ten. 684 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 9: Yeah, so even even five through ten, I would I 685 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 9: went Jaydeen Daniels at five, and I know, you know, 686 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 9: we're going into the sophomore year and there could be 687 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,839 Speaker 9: the sophomore slump and people are going to catch up. 688 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 9: I do think that the difference is not only what 689 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 9: he did as as a runner, but his accuracy. To me, 690 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,720 Speaker 9: I would I would push him to that five spot, 691 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 9: with Stafford being my slash there Stafford and Jayden Daniels. 692 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 3: I love Stafford. 693 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 9: The fact that he won the Super Bowl, I played 694 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 9: against coach against it for a long time caused problems. 695 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 9: But his age to me, bumps him to six. And 696 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 9: then after that, I get to Justin Herbert where he is. 697 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 9: I struggle with his performance in the playoffs. That's why 698 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,239 Speaker 9: I think you got to bump Jalen Hurts. You got 699 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 9: to give him credit for for what he's done in 700 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 9: the biggest moments. So I'd probably bump him up and 701 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 9: and he and Justin are kind of in that next area. 702 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 9: And then with with Jared and Baker, I mean, it 703 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 9: just depends on what you're like. I mean, I'm a 704 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 9: little hot. 705 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 3: I'll take it. 706 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 9: I'll take it it is. I don't love six and seven. 707 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 9: I'm more five and six. Justin, Justin Jared Baker. They're 708 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 9: kind of a group. And then Jay, I get why 709 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 9: you have Jalen at ten, but you do have to 710 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 9: I think you got a great amount of curve based 711 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 9: off of performance in the playoffs. 712 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 3: He's been unbelievable in the playoffs. The Steelers are such 713 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 3: a fascinating team for a number of reasons. I actually 714 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 3: like the moves they made in a vacuum for this year. 715 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 3: There's huge questions about the long term ramifications, but I 716 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 3: thought that they made sense. My question is, let's say 717 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 3: I'm wrong, and let's say this goes poorly, and it 718 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 3: is a seven win season, first losing season under Mike Tomlin, 719 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,239 Speaker 3: and we're now at nine going on ten years without 720 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,760 Speaker 3: a playoff win, and there's a handful of offensive coordinators 721 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 3: and a bunch of different quarterbacks. Is there anything that 722 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 3: could actually turn up a hot seat on a guy 723 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 3: like Mike Tomlin Given that Pittsburgh has had three coaches 724 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,800 Speaker 3: in the history of their organization. 725 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 9: I don't think there should be huge Mike Tomlin fan 726 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 9: And and what people forget is how hard it is to 727 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 9: deal with transitioning after a great quarterback. So Bill Belichick 728 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 9: after a great quarterback, not very good, right, Sean Payton 729 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 9: without Drew Brees pretty different equation than than what we 730 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 9: were used to seeing. And and it's the same thing, 731 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 9: you know, Ben Brothlisberger, and they haven't had the losing season, 732 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 9: which to me is remarkable, but they haven't found their 733 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 9: answer at quarterback. And finding that answer a quarterback, everybody's 734 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,840 Speaker 9: chasing it. And that's why when when these great quarterbacks 735 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 9: become available, all the teams that are quarterbacks starved, they 736 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 9: go and see if they can they can hit on them. So, 737 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 9: whether it's Aaron Rodgers at the Jets and now Aaron 738 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:50,920 Speaker 9: Rodgers in Pittsburgh, or you know, take your pick. It 739 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 9: was us with with Brett Favre trying to capture some 740 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 9: of that magic Russell Wilson when he got traded. It's 741 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 9: you're you're hoping that this is the answer. You're hoping 742 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 9: that Aaron Rodgers is over, you know, wanting to be GM, 743 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 9: wanting to be head coach and now just wants to 744 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,839 Speaker 9: be a great player and a great teammate and a 745 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 9: great contributor. Maybe it's not the level we've been used 746 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 9: to to seeing him at his high point, but hopefully 747 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 9: it's a better level than we've seen him since since 748 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 9: he's left Green Bay Football. 749 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 3: Season's here, coach. This feels good. It feels good to 750 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 3: have hype. It feels good to have like we got 751 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 3: a game on Thursday. Are you a play for guys 752 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 3: in the preseason guy, or are you, you know, risk 753 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 3: averse like me, I'm scared of injury. 754 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:41,440 Speaker 9: Yeah, it's it's this is always the challenging part. So 755 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,799 Speaker 9: it's it's this time of the year figuring out whether 756 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,359 Speaker 9: you want to play your stars or not. And then 757 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 9: then it's at the end of the season when you've 758 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 9: made the playoffs and you're trying to figure out whether 759 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 9: you want to play your stars or not. And it's 760 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 9: always the the what is it Russ versus rest philosophy, 761 00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:00,319 Speaker 9: And I I think you want to get some reps 762 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,960 Speaker 9: for your guys and have them feel what it's like 763 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,279 Speaker 9: to work together, even if it's a limited exposure, so 764 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,400 Speaker 9: that the first time they're they're seeing action isn't in 765 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,440 Speaker 9: game one. But you know, I understand why a lot 766 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 9: of head coaches say, yeah, I'd rather him be rusty 767 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 9: and available than hurt and not available. 768 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,319 Speaker 3: Eric Mangini, Fox Sports NFL analyst, former Coach of the Year, 769 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,319 Speaker 3: looking forward to working with you on FtF and we'll 770 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:27,839 Speaker 3: be watching later on today. Thank you coach.