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Speaker 1: Welcome.

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Speaker 2: It is verdic with center, Teed Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you, Senator.

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Speaker 2: It's a very big day because I'm just gonna go

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Speaker 2: ahead and throw it out there. It's my birthday, and

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Speaker 2: why not throw in a Donald Trump up getting reindicted.

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Speaker 2: All at the same time, it's the best birthday president

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Speaker 3: Well, happy birthday, big guy. I'm really proud to see

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Speaker 3: you enter age sixty. You know, you don't look a

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Speaker 3: day over fifty five, and so that's really great.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: You know, forty three, I'm never gonna catch up to you, sir.

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Speaker 2: You're just older than I am. I don't you know older.

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Speaker 2: You can throw in the wiser thing, but I'm still

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Speaker 2: coming for you.

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Speaker 3: Look, you're forty three, so you're George W.

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Speaker 1: Bush today. That's right. I like it, so you'll remember

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Speaker 1: it this year. There you go. So let's talk about

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Speaker 1: this indictment for a second. This is crazy, all right.

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Speaker 3: So it's a big day number one, As Yogi Barra said,

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Speaker 3: it's deja vu all over again. Donald Trump has been indicted.

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Speaker 3: I gotta say, I wish that were new, I wish

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Speaker 3: that were different, I wish that were unusual. At this point,

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Speaker 3: it feels like any day that ends with a why

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Speaker 3: the Democrats are indicted on Donald Trump again? Every time

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Speaker 3: they're scared that he's going to win, they indict him again. So, yes,

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Speaker 3: that has happened again. We're going to explain exactly what

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Speaker 3: Jack Smith did and what it means beyond that. This

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Speaker 3: is actually a big bombshell. Facebook admits it is actively

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Speaker 3: censoring social media and that they was doing so at

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Speaker 3: the behest of the Biden administration. The government asked it,

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Speaker 3: and Facebook saluted and actively censored. We're going to talk

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Speaker 3: about that. And then finally Kamala Harris wants to build

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Speaker 3: the wall. Truly a stunning admission. This is a bizarre chapter.

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Speaker 4: We live in. We're going to lay that out as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it certainly is.

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Speaker 2: all of you that already have center. This was one

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Speaker 2: of those headlines. And I'm I'm not shocked anymore. As

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Speaker 2: you almost described in the intro there, that the left

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Speaker 2: is afraid Trump's going to win. So okay, let's try

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Speaker 2: to throw him in jail, let's indict him again. But

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Speaker 2: there is some confusion. How is it that this guy

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I understand that. Let me say, first of all,

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Speaker 3: president of the United States has ever been indicted, No

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Speaker 3: In the past year, Donald Trump has been indicted, not once,

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Speaker 3: And so I got to say, after four different indictments,

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Speaker 3: I feel a little bit like Dennis Miller stopped me

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Speaker 3: is you asked, is this permissible after the Supreme Court decision,

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Speaker 3: And the answer is yes, it is.

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Speaker 3: The Supreme Court did not conclude that jack Smith had

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Speaker 3: presidents of the United States enjoy significant immunity from prosecution.

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Speaker 3: What Jack Smith did here is he refiled the indictment,

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Speaker 3: So double jeopardy is the protection of the constitution against

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Speaker 3: general rule is that jeopardy attaches when a jury is impaneled.

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Speaker 3: many times as he wants to. That that is part

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Speaker 2: When I look at the timing of this, and this

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Speaker 2: Mark Zuckerberg has now admitted that he played a major

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Speaker 2: and actually like, all right, let's indict Donald Trump again today.

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Speaker 2: Is there any threat that this could also be straight

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Speaker 3: Now, I don't think there's any risk of that. Look, look,

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Speaker 3: It's another political shot at Trump for them to say, oh,

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Speaker 3: That prediction proved right because just after a month later,

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Speaker 3: same thing on this debate. But I gotta say, I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he hates Trump, Yes, he's willing to abuse power.

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Speaker 3: We know that this is nothing new. I don't think

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Speaker 3: there are a whole lot of political consequences to another

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Speaker 3: And I don't think there are real legal consequences. Now,

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about this other massive story and that

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Speaker 2: a cell of Twitter and Dorsey losing that to Elon Musk,

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Speaker 2: who is all about free speech.

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Speaker 3: I think significantly, And you and I have talked about.

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Speaker 3: I think the fact that Elon Musk bought Twitter was

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Speaker 3: the single most important development for free speech in decades,

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Speaker 3: change the terrain of media. So Facebook is feeling pressure

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Speaker 3: to be a greater free speech forum because Twitter is

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Speaker 3: I think, the most important free speech forum in the

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Speaker 3: world right now. But I also think, and I can't

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Speaker 3: overstate this, look I talked to a lot of people

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Speaker 3: in the tech world. I think Zuckerberg is pissed at

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Speaker 3: the totalitarian lefties who he's sort of tried to cozy

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Speaker 3: crapped all over him. That's an interesting moment. It's just

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Speaker 3: an interesting inflection moment. So I am angry about what

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Speaker 3: Facebook did in twenty twenty, and I'm going to continue

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Speaker 3: to lay that out at length. That being said, I'm

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Speaker 3: a big believer in redemption, so I will welcome Zuckerberg, Mark,

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Speaker 3: if you want to defend free speech, if you want

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Speaker 3: to be a champion of free speech, I want to

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Speaker 3: give an invitation to Mark Zuckerberg be an even bigger

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Speaker 3: defender of free speech than Elon Musk, because, by the way,

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Speaker 3: competition would be awesome. If Facebook steps forward and says

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Speaker 3: we will be a forum for free.

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Speaker 4: Speech x can you match.

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Speaker 3: That's even better because competition will make both better, and

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Speaker 3: so I don't want some conservatives are responding to this

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Speaker 4: I think that's a mistake.

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Speaker 3: If you want to come into the light, come into

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Speaker 3: the light, we welcome you. If you will embrace free speech,

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Speaker 3: that's good for America and good for the world.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting perspective, certainly because mine was more cynical, like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: he's just hedging his bets, as I mentioned, with the

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Speaker 2: you mentioned earlier, and this one I'm sorry, Senner, I

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Speaker 2: just laughed when I saw this happen in real time.

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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris has come out and now flip flopped on.

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Speaker 1: The border wall issue.

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Speaker 2: She is one that said she would never, okay never

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Speaker 2: ever support building a wall, and I'm going to play

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Speaker 2: it because I think people should hear. This is her

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Speaker 2: in her own words in Des Moines, Iowa.

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Speaker 5: Let me be very clear, I'm not going to vote

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Speaker 5: for a wall under any circumstances. And I do support

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Speaker 5: border security, and if we want to talk about that,

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Speaker 5: let's do that.

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Speaker 2: But I will never support a wall under any circumstances. Now,

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Speaker 2: the polling data is not looking good for her on

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Speaker 2: security at the border, and she's like, Okay, I guess

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Speaker 2: I might be in favor of wall, even putting out

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Speaker 2: an ad that shows Donald Trump's wall in her ad.

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Speaker 3: Well, the single greatest vulnerability to Kamala Harrison Democrats nationally

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Speaker 3: is the open borders they've had for four years. It

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Speaker 3: is the number one issue voters are concerned about. We're

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Speaker 3: seeing an invasion at our southern border, eleven point five

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Speaker 3: million illegal immigrants. People are seeing the death, the suffering,

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Speaker 3: the children being brutalized, the women being sexually assaulted. People

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Speaker 3: are seeing the criminals being released who are murdering Americans,

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Speaker 3: who are raping women, who are assaulting kids. People are

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Speaker 3: seeing the risk of terrorism coming across the southern border,

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Speaker 3: and they're very unhappy. So the Democrats are looking at

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Speaker 3: the same poll numbers we are. They realize, gosh, this

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Speaker 3: is a vulnerability. Now, mind you, They're not willing to

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Speaker 3: change their policies. They still want another eleven million, another

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Speaker 3: twenty million, another thirty million league immigrants to come into

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Speaker 3: this country because they view them all as future Democrat voters.

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Speaker 3: They want to stay in power. But we've got sixty

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Speaker 3: nine days to election day, and so in the sixty

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Speaker 3: nine days to election day, they will say whatever whatever

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Speaker 3: they feel they can to convince the voters to elect

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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris, and after which she will go hard left

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Speaker 3: and continue to destroy this country. Now we saw at

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Speaker 3: the outset of her campaign. By the way, she's been

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Speaker 3: the presumptive Democrat nominee for over a month, she's done

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Speaker 3: zero interviews, no press conferences, no questions. They put her

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Speaker 3: in front of a teleprompter, she reads the teleprompter, They

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Speaker 3: tackle her, they throw her back in Joe Biden's basement.

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Speaker 3: They say shut up and please don't say anything. The

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Speaker 3: first major policy provision she came out for was no

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Speaker 3: taxes on tips. That was literally a proposal Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: rolled out in Nevada. It's a proposal, by the way,

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Speaker 3: that I introduced in the Senate. I introduced it, the

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Speaker 3: no Taxes on Tips legislation. When I introduced it, both

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Speaker 3: Democrat senators from Nevada co sponsored my legislation. And there's

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Speaker 3: a reason for that, which is twenty five percent of

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Speaker 3: the workers in Nevada are tipped workers. And so both

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Speaker 3: Democrats immediately sponsored my legislation. Kamala came out and suddenly

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Speaker 3: had this crazy idea. Hey, no taxes on tips. So

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Speaker 3: that was where she started. She is now gone. So

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Speaker 3: she also said this week she is not for an

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Speaker 3: EV mandate. Suddenly she loves her some internal combustion engine.

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Speaker 3: No electric vehicle mandate, just keep your car. Never mind.

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Speaker 3: For the last four years of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris,

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Speaker 3: they have been pushing an EV mandate date on every front.

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Speaker 3: They've been trying to ban the internal combustion engine. They've

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Speaker 3: been using regulatory assaults in every front. None of that exists.

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Speaker 3: As Obi Wan Kenobi said, these are not the drones

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Speaker 3: you're looking for. Do not pay attention to anything Kamala

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Speaker 3: Harris and Joe Biden have done. Listen instead to the

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Speaker 3: nonsense they're spewing sixty nine days before the election. But

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Speaker 3: this truly is the one that is is the cherry

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Speaker 3: on the top of the banana. Sunday, let me read

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Speaker 3: the headline from Axios quote Harris flip flops on building

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Speaker 3: the border wall. If she's elected president. Kamala Harris pledges

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Speaker 3: to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on a wall

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Speaker 3: along the Southern border, a project she once opposed it

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Speaker 3: and called un American during the Trump administration. By the way,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to break news right now, and this may

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Speaker 3: not be news, you know, but next week I am

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Speaker 3: reliably told from leaks within the White House that Kamala

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Speaker 3: Harris plans to dye her hair blonde, dye her skin orange,

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Speaker 3: and buy enormously long red ties and wear only those

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Speaker 3: in public appearances.

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Speaker 2: And you got to add, Beyonce's going to be in

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Speaker 2: there with her doing the same thing, right, because if

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Speaker 2: we're going to start rumors, whom as we go back

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Speaker 2: to that one to get people excited.

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Speaker 3: But by the way, Beyonce is going to be blonde

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Speaker 3: and also with orange skin.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 3: Listen, I want to go back. I want you to

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Speaker 3: listen to a montage that Martha McCallum put together on

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Speaker 3: Fox of Kamala's prior positions on the wall, because this

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Speaker 3: is Look, there's a Yiddish word, juspa, that doesn't even

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Speaker 3: begin to capture what Kamala Harris has claimed that she's

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Speaker 3: going to build.

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Speaker 4: The wall is. Now listen to this axious.

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Speaker 6: News calling out Vice President Harris's quote flip flop on

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Speaker 6: the border wall. Here is some of what she has

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Speaker 6: said in the past.

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Speaker 1: Watch.

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Speaker 5: I'm all for increased border security where we need it.

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Speaker 1: I am not for a wall.

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Speaker 5: I specialize on transnational criminal orgnisations.

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Speaker 1: That wall, I'm going to stop them.

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Speaker 7: No, no, okay.

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Speaker 6: But last week Harris said that she supports the bipartisan

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Speaker 6: border bill, which includes requiring the Trump border wall. According

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Speaker 6: to its negotiators, Oxyo is reporting that Tim Harris says

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Speaker 6: that the bill doesn't include new wall funding, it just

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Speaker 6: extends the timeline to spend funds appropriated during the Trump administration.

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Speaker 6: So we hope we'll hear directly from the candidate to

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Speaker 6: clear that up in an interview, which we would love

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Speaker 6: to see over the next several days.

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Speaker 2: By the way, the interview is now going to be

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Speaker 2: a joint interview, apparently on CNN, where she doesn't have

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Speaker 2: to worry about babbling so much because the VP will

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Speaker 2: be there with their candidate, which still makes me laugh.

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Speaker 2: That's her first interview, But we have no policies, decisions.

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Speaker 1: It's just sold.

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Speaker 4: Ben.

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you something, so, Ben, you have been

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Speaker 3: following politics closely since you were like in the womb. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and it's your birthday. So like in the womb was

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Speaker 3: for three.

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Speaker 1: Years, you're going numbers.

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Speaker 3: I'm digging this in forty three years. Do you know

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Speaker 3: of a single instance ever, And I'm asking this comprehensively in.

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Speaker 4: Forty three years where.

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Speaker 3: A presidential candidate was so terrified to do an interview

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Speaker 3: on their own that they demanded their VP candidate be

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Speaker 3: with there with them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, bring a buddy with you, right, No, I've never

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Speaker 2: seen that. But what's even more weird. It's weird, but

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Speaker 2: it's even more shocking then, is we had a convention.

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Speaker 2: And if you go to her website right now, because

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Speaker 2: I check it every day when I'm doing my show,

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Speaker 2: no policy. There is still no policy tabs on her

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Speaker 2: damn website.

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Speaker 3: There's no taxes on tips and building a wall and

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Speaker 3: protect the internal combustion engine. Yeah, and the same wall

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Speaker 3: that it's not actually on the website for the fact

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Speaker 3: checkers there. That's just the policy she's rolling out. But

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Speaker 3: she has no policies on her website.

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Speaker 2: Well, and that's the port I think that Axis was

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Speaker 2: trying to get at, is like, give me a break.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Kamala Harris, if you go back.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, Axios is not a right wing website.

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Speaker 3: It is a center left media organizations. It's not one

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Speaker 3: of the most left wing organizations, but it's not conservative. No,

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Speaker 3: and they're pointing out, are you friggin kidding me? Like

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Speaker 3: this is what she's saying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and let's go back to what she called the wall,

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Speaker 2: which she's now using parts of the wall visually in

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Speaker 2: her ads.

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Speaker 5: Listen, we don't need to build a wall. This is

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Speaker 5: a crisis of his own making. And by definition does

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Speaker 5: planes speak basic English language definition, it is not an emergency.

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Speaker 5: What's going to end up happening is that he will

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Speaker 5: end up without any question if he proceeds. We're going

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Speaker 5: to be looking at a situation where, in particular, homeowners

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Speaker 5: and landowners in places like New Mexico and Texas are

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Speaker 5: probably going to look at government taking their land. We're

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Speaker 5: looking at military resources being focused again on the president's

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Speaker 5: vanity project instead of focused on real national security issues.

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Speaker 2: I mean, she says it's a vanity project and it's

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Speaker 2: not a crisis and we don't need it, and everybody

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Speaker 2: this Donald Trump is the idiot. I'm the brilliant one.

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Speaker 2: She said this for years, and now she's using Trump's

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Speaker 2: wall as like as a prop for her own campaign.

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Speaker 3: Listen, I serve for years on the Senate Judiciary Committee

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Speaker 4: She was hard left.

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Speaker 3: As the non partisan bill tracking organization guv TRAC raided her,

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Speaker 3: she was the single most liberal senator in the entire

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Speaker 3: US Senate. She voted to the left of Bernie Sanders,

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Speaker 3: to the left of Elizabeth Warren. She has never, once

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Speaker 3: in any hearing I've been in, expressed any concern with

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Speaker 3: securing the border. She is always, always, always sighted on

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Speaker 3: of the drugs mugglers. In fact, in one hearing with

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Speaker 3: analogized ICE agents to the ku Klux Klan, which is grotesque,

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Speaker 3: it is offensive. And so now when she's pretending she

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Speaker 3: will secure the border, she has been in charge of

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Speaker 3: the border for the last four years. She has been

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Speaker 3: the borders are as much as the media is trying

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Speaker 3: to erase that those are the facts.

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Speaker 4: She wanted.

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Speaker 3: This outcome, this invasion, is her desired outcome, and if

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Speaker 3: God forbid, she gets elected president eleven and a half

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's truly astounding. And Kama Harris on the

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Speaker 2: border over the years. It's twenty seventeen. I go back,

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Speaker 2: She said it was quote a terrible idea. She said

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Speaker 2: I want to ask you it finally came out that

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Speaker 2: dynamic of the interview. It's gonna be more I think,

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Speaker 2: like propaganda. That's why they're agreeing to this, because like,

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Speaker 2: let's talk about how amazing you two are and your

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Speaker 2: into the policy stuff. That's what drives me nuts about

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Speaker 2: the fact that they're even calling this an interview.

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Speaker 1: It's not, it's propaganda.

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Speaker 3: Well, let me say several points this. Number One, the

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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris campaign spent weeks. I mean it's been I

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Speaker 3: think thirty seven days since she was the presumptive dominee.

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Speaker 3: They've done zero interviews, they've done zero press conferences. The

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Speaker 3: last couple of weeks, they've been feeling out different media

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Speaker 3: outlets saying, Hey, who wants to do the first interview?

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Speaker 3: Because I guess we can't go all the way to

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Speaker 3: election day without doing interviews, So we're going to do one.

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Speaker 3: Who's willing to throw us the most softballs, who's willing

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Speaker 3: to give us the most gentle format imaginable? And it

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Speaker 3: turns out Ding Ding Ding Winter Chicken Dinner CNN step forward.

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Speaker 3: So there are several questions. Number One, it is astonishing

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Speaker 3: that the interview is not Kamala Harris, but it's Kamala

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Speaker 3: Harris and Tim Waltz, and presumably Tim Waltz is sitting

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Speaker 3: there so if that Kamala is screwing up, Tim Waltz

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Speaker 3: can step in and try to bail her.

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Speaker 1: Out.

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Speaker 3: I have never seen in my life. I'm ten years

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Speaker 3: older than you are, I'm fifty three. I have never

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Speaker 3: once seen a presidential candidate who was so week that

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Speaker 3: he or she needed their vice presidential candidate as a

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Speaker 3: safety blanket. That is bizarre. Can you imagine I'm just

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Speaker 3: just just think back a little bit. Can you imagine

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump saying I need Mike Pence there? Yeah, like

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Speaker 3: it's it's unimaginable. Can you imagine Hillary Clinton saying I

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Speaker 3: need Tim Caine there? Can you imagine Barack Obama saying

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Speaker 3: I need Joe Biden there? Can Can you imagine Ronald

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Speaker 3: Reagan saying I need George Bush there? Like it is?

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Speaker 3: You can go back? Can you imagine George Washington saying

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Speaker 3: I need John Adams there?

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Speaker 7: Like?

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Speaker 3: It is a bizarre thing for a presidential candidate to

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Speaker 3: be so weak that they need someone to hold their hand.

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Speaker 3: But secondly, this is a pre taped interview. They're gonna

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Speaker 3: pretape it.

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Speaker 2: Hold on to say that again, because I think people

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Speaker 2: don't understand that.

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Speaker 1: Say that again. That's a very important data point here.

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Speaker 3: This is a pre taped interview. They're gonna pretape it.

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Speaker 3: And then CNN is going to edit it. And I believe,

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Speaker 3: and I think many Americans believe CNN is gonna edit it.

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Speaker 3: So if and when Kamala says things that are dumb,

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Speaker 3: if and when she says some word salad, if and

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Speaker 3: when there's a moment that's bad, they'll cut it right

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Speaker 3: out that Like, like I have to ask, does CNN

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Speaker 3: and you worked what seven years is?

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Speaker 1: In hell?

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Speaker 3: Yes, do they have anywhere in that institution a tiny

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Speaker 3: shred of journalistic integrity? If CNN did, here's what CNN

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Speaker 3: should do.

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Speaker 4: Say.

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Speaker 3: We will release the entirety of the interview. We're gonna

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Speaker 3: put out every word of it. We're not going to

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Speaker 3: edit it. We're gonna put it all out. That's actually

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Speaker 3: what a real journalistic outlet would do. We're not going

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Speaker 3: to do a package that is a promo piece for

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Speaker 3: the for the Harris campaign. We're going to release, We're

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Speaker 3: gonna ask questions and release what she actually says, not

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Speaker 3: editing out the bad stuff and only including the good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Well, and this goes back to CNN's I think desperation

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Speaker 2: to get the interview. They were willing to they were

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Speaker 2: willing to basically do whatever it took. And so I

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Speaker 2: think the deal was and again, knowing how this works

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Speaker 2: behind the scenes, Hey, we want this thing to be

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Speaker 2: not live, we want it to be Taylor.

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Speaker 3: Were begging, they were gravely. They were conceding that will

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Speaker 3: give you whatever, you will be.

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Speaker 1: Whatever you want.

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Speaker 2: Just give us the interview, give us the interview. Okay,

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Speaker 2: well now we also want the VP to be with her. Okay, great,

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Speaker 2: what else do you need from us? And because if

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Speaker 2: you look at just data live interviews that you can

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Speaker 2: promote as by the way, the last big interview Kamala did.

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Speaker 3: The last big interview Kamala did was with Lester Holt. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and Lester Holt asked to actually asked her some real

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Speaker 3: questions as she looked like an imbecile. He pointed out

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Speaker 3: that she had not been to the southern border, she'd

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Speaker 3: not been to the Rio Grande Valley, and she like

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Speaker 3: it was a disaster. It's striking that even as biased

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Speaker 3: as the big networks are, they wanted more. They wanted

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Speaker 3: make sure you will protect her. But here's the question

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Speaker 3: I want to close this podcast on. You know Dana Bash.

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Speaker 3: I know Dana well, I've probably done a dozen interviews

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Speaker 3: with Dana. She has now what is the biggest interview

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Speaker 3: of her career? What does Dana Bash do to not

844
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Speaker 3: be a laughingstock, to not be a patsy and simply

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Speaker 3: a spokesperson for the.

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Speaker 4: Kamala Harris campaign.

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Speaker 3: Dana, recently she's been on air saying Kamala was never

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Speaker 3: the borders are. She was never the borders are. So

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Speaker 3: Dana has not been helping herself by giving those talking points.

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Speaker 3: But I got to say, look, Dana, there's got to

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Speaker 3: be a part of her somewhere that desires to be

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Speaker 3: a real journalist. What does she do to not go

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Speaker 3: down in history as a total stooge.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great question. I don't know if it's

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Speaker 2: just pure sellout. No matter what you got the interview,

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Speaker 2: you play by the rules and you act like you

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Speaker 2: accomplished something. When the interview's over and you're all glad

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Speaker 2: and each other and go, that was so great. That

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Speaker 2: was amazing, great interview. And how do you sleep at night?

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Speaker 2: I guess you just cast that scene in check and

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Speaker 2: you say, oh, it'll be fine. And look, I don't

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Speaker 2: think any of her.

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Speaker 3: Is that your prediction then that she totally rolls over

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Speaker 3: because any difficult question, I mean I mean, you know her,

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Speaker 3: I'm asking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, as a very I don't.

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Speaker 3: Know the answer. I'm not trying to feed you the answer.

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Speaker 3: I'm asking you legitimate no.

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Speaker 1: I look, I've watched her.

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Speaker 2: When i've watched her, we were on set together when

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Speaker 2: Bernie Sanders was running, for example, when she was tough

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Speaker 2: on Bernie, but that was because they wanted Bernie out.

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Speaker 2: And so if she's all in for Harris, which I

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Speaker 2: believe that she absolutely is, and I don't think there's

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Speaker 2: anybody that judges her selling out in this interview because

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Speaker 2: all the members of the media, the mainstream media, of

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Speaker 2: the liberal media, they're all in this together.

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Speaker 1: So you're not judged by your peers.

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Speaker 2: I do think back in the day, whether it was

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Speaker 2: Kronkite or broke Call, or or or Jinnings, like if

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Speaker 2: you did a tie or tim Reser, if you did

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Speaker 2: a crappy interview, there were people around you that judged you.

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Speaker 2: And you were walking around and people are whispering about

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Speaker 2: like what a sellout?

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Speaker 1: Did you see? How pathetic that was?

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Speaker 3: There's not a tiny and maybe naively hopeful statement, danna

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Speaker 3: prove the naysayers wrong, do a real interview.

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Speaker 4: And then don't edit the damn thing show the real answers.

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Speaker 1: I hope that happens.

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Speaker 2: I really do, and it's and the sad part is

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Speaker 2: you shouldn't have to encourage a real journalist to do

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Speaker 2: their damn job. But here we are. Don't forget. We

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Speaker 2: do this show Monday, Wednesday and Friday. Make sure that

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Speaker 2: that one as well, and The Senator and I will

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Speaker 2: see you back here on Friday morning