1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology? With 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: tech Stuff from how stuff works dot com. Hello again, everyone, then, 4 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: welcome to tech Stuff. My name is Chris Poulette, and 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: I am an editor here at how stuff works dot com. 6 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 1: Sitting across from me as always, his senior writer, Jonathan Strickland. 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: I've got a hole in me pocket. I like that one. 8 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: So you might hear some giggles in the background, just 9 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,639 Speaker 1: ignore that. That's our that's our our podcasting sprite who 10 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: was joining us today. Yes, yes, because it's a magical 11 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: time of year, we're recording this just before the new year. Yes, 12 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: that's true. Actually, uh, it's right after the holidays in 13 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: the aforementioned sprite actually has a bearing on what we're 14 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: talking about, because, uh, this the the spriting question would 15 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: be my daughter and she just received her very first iPod. Yeah, 16 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: and we wanted to talk today about the iPod. This 17 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: actually comes to us courtesy of a little listener mail. 18 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: This listener mail comes from Nick, and Nick says, Hey, guys, 19 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: I love your podcast and I've been a loyal listener 20 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: for a long time. Now, I really think that you 21 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: guys choose good topics, and I really like that you 22 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: always release episodes on time. Thanks Nick, we like that too. 23 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: I was wondering if you could do a podcast on 24 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: the history of the Apple iPod line, or for another idea, 25 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: you could do a podcast on how Xbox Live, PlayStation 26 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: network game center work and how they compare. These are 27 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: just a few ideas, and I would love for you 28 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: to do one either way. Keep up the good work 29 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: sent from my iPod. So we decided we were going 30 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: to tackle the iPod today and kind of talk about 31 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: its history and its place in technology. Of course, there's 32 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: no denying the iPod has taken a prominent place in 33 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: technology today. That's true. But it wasn't. It wasn't the 34 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: very first and three player on the market. In fact, 35 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: it was relatively late to the game. That's true. Um 36 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 1: although a lot of people think the very first MP 37 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: three player was was from a company called Diamond, the 38 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: Diamond Multimedia Rio p MP three. Yes, that was not 39 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: the first shut your mouth, okay, but it's going to 40 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: be a really boring podcast. Um. No, it was the 41 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: the MP three man from Sayhand, which was actually launched 42 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: in Asia in the late spring. I found that out 43 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: from Elliott Van Buskirk Att c NET, who then moved 44 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: on to write for Wired. Indeed, um it was actually 45 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: released in the United States by Igor Labs, the MP 46 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: man F ten and F twenty again, and just a 47 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: scant few months before Diamond released the Rio here in 48 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: the United States. There was also before that there was 49 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: a device called the Listen Up Digital Audio Player. But 50 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: you can argue whether or not that truly fits the 51 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: MP three player model. It was definitely a digital audio player, 52 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: but I would say that the MP man and the 53 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: the Diamond Ultimate Multi Media Rio, those are probably more 54 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: traditional MP three players the way we think of them. Uh. 55 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: And so so you guys know, do you did you 56 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: happen to see how many I had to look this 57 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: up in another source. Did you have to see how 58 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: many megabytes of music it held? Yeah, it's funny you 59 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: should say that megabytes, not gigabyte. No, No, we're not 60 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: talking about gigabytes, thirty two megabytes because these were these 61 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: were flash memory based and at the time when they 62 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: were released, flash memory was still very a very young 63 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: technology compared to hard drives, but no one had really 64 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: invested in making a hard drive version of an MP 65 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: three player. Yeah, yeah, that's true. And uh as a 66 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: matter of fact, it was also an expensive technology compared 67 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: to what it is now. You can go into ah, 68 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: go into convenience stores and pick up a gigabyte thumb 69 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: drive for you know, four or five dollars now may 70 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: be exaggerating, but not by much. Well, let me put 71 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: it this way. When you go to something like the 72 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: Consumer Electronics Show, a lot of them will put their 73 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 1: press kits on digital formats on a thumb drive, and 74 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: the average size of those thumb drives, I would say, 75 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: is two gigabytes. So these are companies that are are 76 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: creating hundreds of these to give away to vendors and 77 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: the press. So it's clearly not as expensive as the 78 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: old ones. That's true. But so so. The MP three player, 79 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: as it was before the launch of the iPod was 80 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: um a very small device as far as storage goes, 81 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: there was, although it was you know, in general solid 82 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: state UM, so that seemed very very high tech. Um. 83 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: They also sort of resembled the cassette players of the time. Yes, 84 00:04:58,080 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: they were a little clunky. They had a lot of 85 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: button I will say that I in my research. I 86 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: did uncover one hard drive MP three player that predated 87 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:12,679 Speaker 1: the iPod. It was the Hango Slash Remote Solutions Portable 88 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: Jukebox p j B DASH one hundred, which was released 89 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: in actually and it could hold up to six gigabytes 90 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: of music, but that was mainly limited to Asia. There 91 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: wasn't really, there wasn't an attempt to break into the 92 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: Western market. Yes, it's actually funny that you would say that, because, uh, 93 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: that sounds sort of foreign, but it kind of wasn't 94 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: because Van Busk points out that was actually developed by 95 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: Compact but licensed to Hango, which was Korean company. Um, 96 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: and uh, you know at that point, you know, as 97 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, when Hewlett Packard acquired Compact, they 98 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: licensed the iPod. Yeah, it's kind of funny. It's funny 99 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: that they could have gotten a jump on the market 100 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: in the United States, But of course there was no 101 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: way of knowing at that time. No, So why would Apple, 102 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: a company that at that point was known mainly for 103 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: creating computers, that did try to do some personal electronics 104 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 1: that to one extent or another did not work out 105 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: So well, Newton, I'm looking at you. I'm sorry, did 106 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: you say Pippen, So why what what would lead them 107 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: to invest in creating a digital music player. Actually, uh, 108 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: it's funny too, because it wasn't really Apple's idea. According 109 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: to some of the information that I've read, the idea 110 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: came from outside the company, from a from a guy 111 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: named Tony Tony Fidel or Fatal. I'm going with Fidel. 112 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: I would say that a D E. L. L yea. 113 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: He he had worked with Phillips in the past and 114 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: with General magic um, but basically was pitching the idea 115 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: of I don't know, an MP three environment, a music player, 116 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: and something where you could get your music from your 117 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: computer to the MP three player. Yeah, he was looking 118 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: at an entire ecosystem, everything from the software that would 119 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: live on your computer that would organize your music and 120 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: let you put it into different formats or different playlists, 121 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: that kind of thing, and as also a device that 122 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: you would store that music on and you could play 123 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: it back later. So he was definitely looking at the 124 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: big picture, and he thought that no one had nailed this. 125 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: People had created some devices that you could put music on, 126 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: but no one had really taken the model so that 127 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: it had everything encapsulated in one big package, and so 128 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: he actually shopped this idea around to several companies, yes, 129 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: including a couple that probably were kicking themselves years later. 130 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: Real Networks was one UM, Real being famous for providing 131 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: computer software that would allow you to play streaming content, 132 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: audio and video files on your computer. UM. They were 133 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: looking at the Rhapsody music service, which still exists in 134 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: a form or two. UM, but also Phillips, his former employer, 135 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: known for consumer gadgets of all different kinds. UM. You 136 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: have thought that one or both of them would have 137 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: been interested in the idea of coming out with something 138 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: like this, but they weren't, and he turned to Apple instead. Yep. 139 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: And strangely enough, Apple at that time said this sounds interesting. 140 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: We are going to invest in it, and essentially Fidel 141 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: got hired to work on this project. He was assigned 142 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 1: a team of about thirty people from Apple. He also 143 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: had a company called portal Player that was helping UM 144 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: and there were about two hundred or more people and 145 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: at portal Player who are also working on this project. UH. 146 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: And then as the project went on, as they began 147 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: to develop what would eventually become the iPod, a certain 148 00:08:55,800 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: Mr Steve Jobs got very involved in the process to 149 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: the point where I saw it described as being one 150 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: involved that it became almost a daily activity for Jobs 151 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: to check in on the project to and to give 152 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: notes which essentially said it's not loud enough. Make it louder, 153 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 1: which I saw was attributed according to one writer, to 154 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: Jobs having uh some hearing problems. Which is why the 155 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: which is why the the iPod is louder than some 156 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: of its uh some other MP three players. Why the 157 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 1: settings go this one goes to eleven. It's one louder. 158 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 1: But yeah, there was another fellow who was very likely 159 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: heavily involved in the design of the iPod, the physical 160 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: design Jonathan I've, who is the He's a senior vice 161 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: president of of design over at Apple and has had 162 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: a hand in designing all sorts of Apple products. And 163 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: when when you sit there and talk about how Apple 164 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 1: products are really sleek and beautiful and they have great 165 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: lines and uh you know, even the whole no buttons thing, 166 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: we can we can thank Jonathan i for a lot 167 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, uh, Steve Jobs as well, so Jobs 168 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: and I've together they really shape the way things look 169 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: coming from Apple. Yes. Indeed, so this um this project 170 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: that goes on UH. It actually comes to fruition UH 171 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: and in late two thousand one, UM actually October two 172 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: thousand one, the first generation iPod debuts. Yes, yeah, on 173 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: the twenty three, they had the first generation iPod. Now, 174 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: when they announced this UM, Apple had rented UH presentation 175 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: space in California and basically all they had told the 176 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: media was, Hey, we've got a big announcement coming and 177 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: it's not going to be about the Mac. Yeah. It 178 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: was really really seek. In fact, they were so secretive 179 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: about this that even within Apple people were not allowed 180 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: to look at this. That's right. It was only the 181 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: design team that had any access to what it looked like. 182 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 1: And if anyone was going to test it, anyone from 183 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: outside that team, they would have to go into a 184 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: room where the iPod would be kept in a box 185 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: that had only a couple of little windows and access 186 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: points for you to kind of poke your fingers in 187 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: and push the different buttons and and to to play 188 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: with it without getting a full look at the device. 189 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: So no one from outside that team would be able 190 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: to describe what it looked like. It's a great, great 191 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 1: design method. So yes, the first generation iPod UM. There 192 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: were two versions. You know, the first one only could 193 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: well could hold five gigabytes worth of music. I say only, 194 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: but really, when you think about it competing NP three 195 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: players at the time, we're between thirty two to sixty 196 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: four megabytes, so five gigabytes was quite a lot. Yeah, 197 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: and that was one of the big selling points. Um. 198 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: Of course it didn't achieve this with flash memory. It 199 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: used a physical hard drive, very hard drive inside a 200 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: very small hard drive. And then the later one that 201 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: was added was because the very first one five gigabytes. 202 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: It was shortly followed by a ten gigabyte model, but 203 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: otherwise had the same specs. Uh. And this one, this 204 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: iPod was a little different from all future iPods. Uh. 205 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 1: Do you want to talk about the the the interface 206 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: that was, so that's unlike all the other iPods. Yes, this, 207 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: this particular iPod UM had a mechanical wheel that you 208 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: would use to scroll through the songs. Now, Um that 209 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: actually the the interface was one of the things that 210 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: set the iPod apart from its competition, because if you'll 211 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,199 Speaker 1: remember when I mentioned it a few minutes ago, Um, 212 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 1: everybody else was still stuck in the old fashioned using 213 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: buttons for play fast forward and rewind. Yeah, it was. 214 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: It was making navigate. It was hard to navigate long playlists. 215 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: It's really tedious to use that kind of feature. And 216 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: especially when you're talking about a player that could hold, 217 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: you know, thousands of songs in comparison with the older ones, 218 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: you were going to be spending a lot of time 219 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: just skipping songs. So they wanted something that they could use, 220 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: and they came up with the scroll wheel. But this 221 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: was a mechanical scroll wheels instead of later editions where 222 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: you used you know, we'll get into that in a moment, 223 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: but a touch a touch scroll wheel, um. And it 224 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: did have a ring of buttons, um, you know, for 225 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: the menu and for ford and back that surrounded the 226 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: outside of it. And of course a black and white screen. 227 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: Uh used the old Chicago font for those of us 228 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: here a long time, I was wondering if you were 229 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: going to go with the fonts too. Had that I 230 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: had that written down as trivia at the end. Yes, 231 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 1: you scooped me. Let you scooped me. You know what happens. 232 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: And you used a FireWire as far as the interface goes, 233 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,359 Speaker 1: so you could hook it up to your your Macintosh 234 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: confect that's all you could hook it up to It 235 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: was not Windows compatible. The very first iPod was only 236 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: compatible with Mac computers that used the FireWire cable to 237 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: sink and to charge. It had an arm processor. Uh, 238 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: and the operating system was designed by a company called 239 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: Pixel and the Do you know how much it originally cost? 240 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: I believe it was four It was four hundred dollars 241 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: four hundred smackers for this thing. And uh and so 242 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: the very first iPod, you can't really call it a 243 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: runaway success, although it did definitely make a huge impression 244 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: on everyone at the event because no one knew what 245 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: was coming and no one no one really thought of 246 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: Apple as a music company. You know, today it's hard 247 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: to think of Apple as a computer company. Sometimes you 248 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: think of it as a music company. Of course, it's 249 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: changed its name since then too, since its success in 250 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: portable electronics. Now Apple is not Apple Computer, it is 251 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: Apple Inc. Also, of course, there was something else that 252 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: we have mentioned in a few times in the past, 253 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: that being Apple's uh feud with Apple Core, the Beatles company, um, 254 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: you know, over its music capabilities. Of course they were butting. 255 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: The two companies butted heads for a while, whether or 256 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: not they were allowed to uh to play music on 257 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: a Macintosh computer or any of the other mac or 258 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: the excuse me, any of the other Apple computers up 259 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: until that point. That is where uh it is famously 260 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: said the so sumi uh sound came from error sound. Um. 261 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, so that that was one of those things. 262 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: I mean, you know Apple a music company. Oh yeah. 263 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: And and the iTunes version they ahead at the time, 264 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: which was iTunes two point one. Um, it was really 265 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: a music management system. It wasn't designed to um, you 266 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: couldn't purchase music. There was no music store at that time. No, no, 267 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: so you would you used it to manage your music, 268 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: but you didn't use it to acchoir music. Yeah, that 269 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: was that was One of the things that l didn't 270 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: know when he came to Apple was that Apple had 271 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: already purchased a company that made a software called sound Jam. 272 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: And those of us who are fans longtime fans of 273 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: another at that point competing company Panic they make really 274 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: awesome uh mac software. They made a program called Audience, 275 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: which was in a feud that they were the two 276 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: big MP three players for the Macintosh at that time. 277 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: There were others, but those were the two big ones. 278 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: And UM, a lot of people were kind of upset 279 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: that sound Jam ended up getting purchased by Apple, but 280 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: that the acquisition was actually kept quiet and sound Jam 281 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: became what you know became iTunes in its later incarnations. 282 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: But it was originally a very uh simple management program 283 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: and music player for the Macintosh. Right, and then let's uh, 284 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: let's skip ahead a little bit. On July sevento two, 285 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: we got the second generation of the iPod. Now, this 286 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: one came in ten and twenty gigabyte versions gigabytes, yes, 287 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: and it worked with Windows uh to some extent. There 288 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: was a new scroll wheel. It was the tactile scroll 289 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: wheel that we're familiar with now. It's not no longer mechanical. 290 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: Now it's like the touch screen type, well not touch screen, 291 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 1: but the tactile like the touch pads you would find 292 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: on laptops. It's a capacitive, capacitive touch surface. Um. Yeah, 293 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 1: and that was that was what you were familiar with. Now. 294 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 1: The look seemed pretty similar. It still has the ring 295 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 1: of buttons around there and they still has the black 296 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: and white screen with Chicago still uses FireWire, although you 297 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: can get an adapter to work with PCs and UH 298 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: it also on PCs it did not use iTunes because 299 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: there was still no iTunes for PC yet. It used 300 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: music Match Jukebox instead, I remember them. So that was 301 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: so you could still uh. Well, now now they've opened 302 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: up to a much larger market, it's still pretty expensive, 303 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: um and the price will go down in the next generation. 304 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: But we'll talk about why that is in a second. 305 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: So this was this was a pretty big leap for Apple, 306 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: and they're now taking aim at a market beyond just 307 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: the Apple die hard enthusiasts, you know. Uh. So let's 308 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: talk about the third generation, which comes out in April 309 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: of two thousand three. Yes, a in fact, and then 310 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: this one came out in a series of sizes. They're 311 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:24,479 Speaker 1: released ten, fifty, thirty and forty gigabyte versions of this 312 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: third generation iPod UM. The scroll wheel no longer had 313 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: the buttons surrounding it. In fact, it had a series 314 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: of buttons above the scroll wheel. But it's still black 315 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: and white, right, and it fully supported Windows. Uh. It 316 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: used iTunes four point one or early on you can 317 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: still use music Match Jukebox, but quickly it became iTunes 318 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: uh specific, and that was the only management software you 319 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: could use to to well legally used I guess you 320 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: could say or sanctionally used on your iPod. Sanctionally Yeah, 321 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: it's not a real word, that's a uh so it 322 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: Also they switched they changed up the battery used to 323 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: be a lithium polymer battery in the first two generations, 324 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: but they switched to lithium ion, which sadly meant that 325 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: the playtime actually decreased from the second generation to the 326 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: third generation. That went from ten hours to eight hours playtime. 327 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,959 Speaker 1: But now it was a fully support Windows so you 328 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: didn't have to worry about this kind of namby pamby support. 329 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: And also it had a USB sinking capability, which you 330 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: know that was the next big step was that that 331 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: still supported FireWire, but you could also use the USB 332 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: to to sink it. Now. Also, if you just throw 333 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: it in water by itself, right, don't do that, they 334 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: don't support it if you if you get your iPod wet, 335 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: you will not get it fixed. Do not throw your 336 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: iPod in water. So right around this time in two 337 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: thousand three, there was something else that was starting. It 338 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: was a kind of a revolution in uh in in 339 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: getting information out into the wild. Um. It was this 340 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: thing that was called eventually it was called pod casting, 341 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: so yeah, it's what we're doing right now. But right 342 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: around the two thousand three was when Christopher lydon h 343 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 1: began to to podcast, although at the time it wasn't 344 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: called that. It was kind of called audio blogging or 345 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: you know, they had a lot of different words for it. 346 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: Somebody talking into a mic and then you download it 347 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: and stick it on your m P three player. Ring. Yeah. 348 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 1: The earliest mention of the word podcasting that I could 349 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: find came from an article in The Guardian called Audible Revolution, 350 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: written by Ben Hammersley, and it was just in what 351 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 1: do we call this podcasting? I had always heard it 352 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: attributed to Adam Curry. It would not surprise me. But 353 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean it, you know, that's true. That's always 354 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: what I had heard. It could very well be true. 355 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: So at any rate, that also helps propel the iPod 356 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: and MP three players in general to even greater prominence 357 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: because now now people are starting to use it for 358 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: things beyond just managing music it. Uh So in two 359 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: thousand four we get a new product in the iPod line, Yes, 360 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: the iPod Mini. Yes, that's true and uh and in 361 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: keeping with the uh still popular iMac series of computers 362 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: at that point, which we're coming in a different, uh 363 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 1: line of color, the whole range of colors. They did 364 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: that with the iPod Mini as well, right, because early 365 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: the early iPods were only arriving in white. That was 366 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 1: the only color that they came in, So the iPod 367 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: Mini gave a little bit of a splash of color. 368 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,479 Speaker 1: They were of course smaller than the other iPods. That 369 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 1: was also in the air storage capacity. They could only 370 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: hold up to four gigabytes of music. That's still, granted, 371 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: more than any of the flash based players that were 372 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: around at that time, although by this time there were 373 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: other players on the market that also used many hard drives, 374 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 1: um you know, like Creative had come out with a few, 375 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: and there were others as well. Yeah, I think it's 376 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: I think it's uh worth noting that at this point 377 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: the iPod was competitive but not dominant in the market. 378 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: I mean, the machines were held far more music, but 379 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: they were so expensive. I mean that's you know, at 380 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 1: this point in two thousand four, when the iPod Mini 381 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: was released, I started thinking about the possibility that maybe 382 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 1: at some point I would actually go out and buy 383 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: one of these things. But they were so darned expensive. Um. 384 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: And I actually had a Sonic Blue Uh. They were 385 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: the company that had acquired the Rio. Uh. I had 386 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: a real volt Do you remember those? I remember seeing them. Yes, 387 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: they they were CD players, UM, so you could play 388 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 1: regular CDs on them. But they were MP three players too. 389 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: They could record a a a disc with MP three's 390 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: on them if you were uh encoded in the Windows 391 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: format if you don't think it would read Mac discs 392 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, I no longer have it. But um, 393 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 1: you could you know store. It was sort of iPod 394 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: like for me because you could store you know, however, 395 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: any CD songs you could fit on a single CD. 396 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 1: You know, seven hundred megabytes worth of music. That was 397 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: far more than you know, the little pocket flash players. Sure, yeah, 398 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: but it wasn't as much as like a you know, 399 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 1: forty gigabyte. You still needed a disk to be able 400 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: to play stuff. I mean, but but yeah, storing stuff 401 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: as a as a digital file as opposed to the 402 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: audio format, you could fit a lot more onto a CD, 403 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: and you could carry fewer CDs than you would if 404 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: you had to say a discman, Sony's Discsman, discs men 405 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: discman um so sort of in between, you know, I 406 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: still was thinking someday I would actually have one of 407 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: these things. Well, and the price for the iPod was 408 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: starting to go down a little bit, just because they 409 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: had at this time launched the iTunes music store, which 410 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: helped them generate revenue beyond just selling the devices, So 411 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: by selling music, they were making money. As it turns out. 412 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: The next one, the iPod fourth generation black and White eight, 413 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 1: which released on the nineteenth of July two thousand four, 414 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: was my very first and I still have it iPod. 415 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 1: I got the twenty gig version. There is a forty 416 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: gig version that also came out. UM had a longer 417 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 1: battery life twelve hours, amped it up, UM, and uh 418 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: it was. It was really neat, except and I got 419 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: a Christmas that year, so it was December of two 420 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: thousand four, and I was really happy for about eight 421 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: to ten months. Yeah, this seems to be a running 422 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: theme with you and and Apple products. Well, actually, I 423 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: think it's probably pretty safe to say with most tech products, 424 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: but you tend to adopt them. Just before they announced 425 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: the next model, and the next model was a doozy. 426 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: So you just talked about version four, right, Yes, the 427 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 1: fourth generation iPod, So the fifth generation iPod, that's what 428 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: we're looking at now. Well, I'm thinking, are you looking 429 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: at the stuff that they released in between the stuff 430 00:24:55,200 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: that was released on October of two thousand four, At 431 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: least that's the date I have, but I remember it 432 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: being announced a little later than that, because that was 433 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: what some people call the fifth generation was the first 434 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: color iPod, uh, and it was essentially it was called 435 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: the iPod photo Um, which was the first color a screen. 436 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: And really other than that, other than the size and 437 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: the color screen wasn't a whole lot different. Yeah, it 438 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: couldn't playback video yet, it could do photos, but not video. 439 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: I was so annoyed that it was a color iPod 440 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: and I had just gotten one. And right around this 441 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: time actually was a real network enters the story just 442 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: briefly again. They created a software called Harmony, which reverse 443 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 1: engineered the fair play copy protection that Apple was using 444 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: so that it would allow they could they could allow 445 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 1: Reel's Rhapsody music service to work with iPods, and an 446 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: Apple released a patch that prevented iPods from interfacing with Rhapsody. Yes, 447 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 1: and thus began the the the stories about Apple and 448 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: how closed off. It was, but this was the idea 449 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: from the very beginning. The idea was to create that 450 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: music ecosystem. And part of that means that you control everything. Yes, 451 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: you don't let other folks jump in there. Yes. The 452 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: iTunes store now is one of the biggest, if not 453 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: the biggest music retailer in the world. Um. They sell 454 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: millions and millions and millions of songs, uh and now 455 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: video and apps and all sorts of other things. And 456 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 1: part of uh their ability to do that hinged on, 457 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: you know, having a device for you to use to 458 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: play those songs. Yeah. Now, two thousand five was a 459 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: huge year for Apple. On the iPod line, the iPod 460 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: Shuffle first generation came out. Uh. That one is the 461 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: device that doesn't have a screen. It uses flash memory, um, 462 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: and you just it just shuffles your your playlist so 463 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: you you know, plays it randomly. And it came in 464 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: twelve megabyte version and one gigabyte version. Because it was 465 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: using the flash memory, it lasted about twelve hours of 466 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 1: battery life. This is the very first flash memory iPod, 467 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: which the pundits had been predicting pretty early on for 468 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 1: the iPod line, But this is the first time they 469 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: actually got around a releasing one, which was four years 470 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: after the first iPods debut, and then a little bit 471 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: later you get the iPod Mini second generation. Uh. And 472 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: then you also got the iPod Color, which came out 473 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: in June of two. Then you also get the iPod 474 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: Nano first generation. So the Nano was what really replaced 475 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: the Mini line. It's actually kind of funny because the 476 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 1: Mini second generation came out February twenty, two thousand five. 477 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 1: The iPod Nano first generation came out September seven, two 478 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: thousand five. So within the same year they introduced and 479 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 1: then replaced a line of iPods. That's pretty uh. It's 480 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: becoming very very common for devices such as these. Yeah, 481 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 1: So the Nano had a color screen, but the nanos 482 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: themselves were only available in black or white at first, 483 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: which was kind of that kind of bummed out people 484 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 1: who were used to the colorful minis. Uh. Then on 485 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,360 Speaker 1: in on October twelve, two five, you got the fifth 486 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: generation iPod, which that a lot of people talk about 487 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: that being like the real game changer for Apple as 488 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: far as design goes. UM. It came in thirty and 489 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: sixty gigabyte versions. It lasted up to twenty hours on audio, 490 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: but it also could playback video. At this point they 491 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:23,360 Speaker 1: dropped the SINC support for FireWire. It only charges. Now 492 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: you can still use a FireWire to charge your iPod, 493 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: but it won't sync with your computer. You have to 494 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: use a USB to sink it. UM. And then a 495 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: little bit later on they got kind of a mini 496 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: many update UM where the sixty gigabyte version was dropped 497 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: and an eighty gigabyte version was introduced. But people sometimes 498 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: call that generation five point five UM. So that was 499 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: two thousand five and two thousand six. You see the 500 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: second generation of the iPod Nano come out, and they 501 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: actually have some different options for U for colors now 502 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: not just black and white are back. Still no video 503 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: on that, but it comes into four or eight gigabyte versions. 504 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: Then you had the second generation of the iPod Shuffle. 505 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,239 Speaker 1: This was the one that looked like kind of like 506 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: a postage stamp. I had a clip on the back 507 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: and they'll let you clip to your clothing. Still no 508 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: screen or anything like that. No, that's a that's true, 509 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: but I believe that was the only one to actually 510 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: have a clip built in and until until later, Yes, yes, 511 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: but yeah, that one had a clip built in. It 512 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: was the first one and the only one at that time. Um, 513 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: and then let's see, now I've lost my Oh, here 514 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: we go the iPod sixth generation. Now this is uh 515 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: to skip two thousand and six or did I just 516 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: talk about that? Now? We just did. Suff This is 517 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: what I get for not wearing my glasses when I'm 518 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: looking at my notes. I Pod sixth generation and two 519 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: thousand seven, Uh, September five. Okay, So now we're getting 520 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: into the point where the previous year they announced the 521 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: Nano and the Shuffle on September twelve, two thousand six. 522 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: This is where we're starting to get into that annual 523 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: September announcement for i hood products. Two thousand six was 524 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: really the first year where they really did concentrate on that, 525 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: and then two thousand seven they come out big. On 526 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: September five, they released the iPod sixth generation, which really 527 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: just uh gets the updates of iPod with eight and 528 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: sixty gigabyte versions. Otherwise it pretty much stays the same. 529 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: The iPod Nano third generation comes out. This is the 530 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: first Nano that allows video playback. The iPod Touch debuts, 531 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: the first generation iPod touched. Hey, what generation iPod Touch? 532 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: Did you get? First generation? All right? So anyway, first 533 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: generation iPod Touch came out eight sixteen and thirty two 534 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: gigabyte versions. This was the first first touch screen iPod. 535 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: It was meant as sort of an alternative to people 536 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: for the iPhone, for people who liked the iPhone form 537 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: factor but didn't want to get locked down into a contract. Yeah, 538 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: that was That was funny because at the time in 539 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: my I made jokes that the iPod Touch didn't actually exist. 540 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: That when you got to the Apple store and said 541 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: I want an iPod Touch, they'd say, well, you know, 542 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: you can have an iPhone for just a hundred dollars more, 543 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: and they would go, oh, okay, I'll do that. So 544 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: they never had to actually show that they didn't have 545 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: what It did exist, and I do own one and 546 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: it still it still works very well, although it could 547 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: stand a battery replacement after two years. That's another thing 548 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: that just just as a note, Apple does not let 549 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: you replace your your battery, not not on your own anyway. 550 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: You have to you have to get service for that. Um. Yeah, 551 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: that's one of That was one of the big complaints 552 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: people had about the iPod line all the way from 553 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: the very beginning was that you could not replace the battery. Okay, 554 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: is that closed of an ecosystem? Yeah, and we're already 555 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: over thirty minutes. So we're gonna zoom through the rest 556 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,239 Speaker 1: of these because most most of these are just updates. Well, 557 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: we'll mention the ones that have the really big changes. 558 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: So in two thousand and eight September nine, two eight, 559 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: they released the iPod Classic version too. Because the sixth 560 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: generation was technically the first iPod Classic, I thought Classic 561 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: version two just it only came in a D twenty 562 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: gigabyte version, but otherwise was the same. The iPod Nano 563 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: fourth generation. This was the one that was really tall 564 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: and narrow and you could shake it to shuffle the music. Yeah. 565 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: The iPod Touch second generation added some stuff like the 566 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: external volume control and external speaker, but other than that 567 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: that really weren't a whole lot of updates to it. Uh. 568 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: And then except I spent a lot of time complaining 569 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: that I didn't wait for the second generation, right, I 570 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: remember that? And then uh, the in March of two 571 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: thousand nine, they released the iPod Shovel third generation. This 572 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: was the one that um looked like a solid little 573 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: stick of aluminum gum. Yes, and there was so there's 574 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: no there were no controls on the device other than 575 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: a power switch. You had to control it using controls 576 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: on your headphones, so you had to buy Apple headphones 577 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: for it. This would not prove popular and they would 578 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: change that on the next generation. So then we get 579 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: to the nine nine event September nine, two nine. Yeah, 580 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: this was a big one. iPod Classic version three comes out. 581 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: That's a hundred sixty gig version. Uh. You get the 582 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: Nanogeneration five, which included the FM radio and the pedometer 583 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: and a longer screen, different colors, and it had a 584 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: camera on the back which allowed you to record video. 585 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: But you know what didn't have a camera. Yeah, the 586 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: iPod Touch. They improved the voice controls and they did 587 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: it was about it. iPod Shuffle. Uh. Fourth generation came 588 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: out the next year. Uh and uh. The Shuffle at 589 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: this point takes the square form factor. This is the 590 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: one that's current where it looks like a perfect square. 591 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: It's got the control or the play button in the middle. 592 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: There's still no screen. It's got the voice stuff on 593 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: the so you can listen to it in the headless, 594 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: but they put the buttons back, Yes they did. They 595 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: realized people wanted to use their own headphones, and they 596 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: just updated the firmware on that one. That's the one 597 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: my daughter got for Christmas, and uh, they just updated 598 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: that so that you can use the play button as 599 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: a lock ah. And then they also at that same 600 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: event they introduced the iPod Nanos sixth generation. This is 601 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: the square one that has the touch screen interface. That 602 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: was very pretty, but it confused some people because it now, 603 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: the iPod Nano doesn't have a camera anymore. It doesn't 604 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: have video playback anymore, but it still has the FM 605 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: radio and you can use it for data storage, and 606 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: it looks like it has apps on it, but it doesn't. Right. 607 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: It's confusing because it does have a little touch screen 608 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: interface like the Touch and the iPhone do, but there 609 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: are no apps. And then the fourth generation iPod Touch 610 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: with the display and the camera and the camera finally 611 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: and FaceTime capability. It also used the same processor as 612 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: the iPhone, the A four processor. So that's that's kind 613 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: of where we are in now we've got um you know, 614 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,839 Speaker 1: like the iPod Classic hasn't really had an update since 615 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,399 Speaker 1: two thousand nine and probably I would doubt, I doubt 616 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: that they're going to update that. They probably still support it, 617 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: but you know, it's they're really pushing people for the 618 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: iPod Touch, for the for the flagship product, and then 619 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: you have then and the Shuffle supporting it. Now, over 620 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 1: the years, many many, many other people have entered the 621 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 1: flash uh MP three player market. There are tons and 622 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: tons of people that that are doing that, but there's 623 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: still the iPod has come to dominate the MP three 624 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: player market, even in the face of stiff competition from 625 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: companies like Microsoft with the Zoom UM, which is, you know, 626 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,760 Speaker 1: upgrading the Zoom with every iteration and offering new features. 627 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: Now here's a twist. Uh, Samsung I saw the other 628 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,399 Speaker 1: day is rumored. Now that's as of this recording. It'll 629 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: probably be announced by the time it actually goes live, 630 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: is coming out or is expected to come out with 631 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: an Android based competitor to the iPod Touch, which I 632 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: imagine will be if it can run applications from the 633 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,320 Speaker 1: Android Store, the Android market. Uh, that will be serious 634 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: competition for the iPod Touch. Yeah, of course, you would 635 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: have thought that the Zoom HD would have had some 636 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: some legs on it, but Zoom it's never really I mean, 637 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 1: it has its it has its champions, right. There are 638 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: people who love the Zoom products, and it is a 639 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: it is a nice MP three player. UM, I haven't 640 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: quite figured out exactly why it hasn't done better than it. 641 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,240 Speaker 1: I think part of the problem is that the Zoom 642 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: HD really really performs well against devices like the Nano. 643 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 1: It's when you get to the iPod Touch that you say, oh, well, 644 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: this this doesn't really measure up to the Touch. And 645 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 1: there's not you know, there's not a model above the 646 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,359 Speaker 1: Zoom HD that really goes toe to toe with the Touch. 647 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: That's what That's what I think an objective person coming 648 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: at it completely without bias would say. And you have 649 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 1: to understand I originally I did not want to own 650 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: an iPod when I when I got into MP three's 651 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: I owned a creative zen Zen Touch. That thing was 652 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 1: a brick. Let me tell you. It was like having 653 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: a brick of lead in your pocket. But it held 654 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,320 Speaker 1: lots and lots of music. It had a much higher 655 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 1: hard drive capacity than anything Apple had at that time, 656 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: and it wasn't as ex pensive. Then when I got 657 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: my Mac, I realized how awesome iPods could be. And 658 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 1: the reason for that is that the iTunes integration with 659 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: Mac and the integration with iPods that that works great. 660 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 1: iTunes on the PC doesn't always work great, right, it 661 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: doesn't always work great on Max either, but but it's 662 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 1: more seamless that way. So, um, we're gonna wrap up. 663 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 1: But you mentioned that the the iPod up to the 664 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,439 Speaker 1: fourth generation anyway used the Chicago font, iPod Minis used 665 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: sp sands, the iPod Photo up through the fifth generation 666 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,720 Speaker 1: iPod used a font called Myriad, and everything else except 667 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: for the latest iPod Touch uses hell Vettica. iPod Touch 668 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 1: fourth generation uses hell Vetica knew in EU Eui. So 669 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: to all of our Neui listeners out there, thank you 670 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,800 Speaker 1: for tuning in. This is heard that word we're gonna well, 671 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 1: you know, it's justifiable homicide in my opinion, put that 672 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 1: many vowels together, it's just destined to happen. All right, guys, Well, 673 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: we're gonna wrap this up. We hope you enjoyed this 674 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: episode about iPods. We'll probably do others on specific technologies 675 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,320 Speaker 1: in the future. If you have any suggestions or tips, 676 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,320 Speaker 1: or you just want to share your own iPod story. 677 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,760 Speaker 1: You can let us know on Twitter and Facebook are handles. 678 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,799 Speaker 1: There are text stuff h s W or you can 679 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,919 Speaker 1: shoot us an email that email. 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