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Speaker 1: Hey, Professional Homegirls is sugar ebene here and it is

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. I am so excited to kick off

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Speaker 1: the new year with Part two of I Was a

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Speaker 1: Ride of Die Chick and this week's episode, my special

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Speaker 1: guest returns to dive into the reasons behind her decision

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Speaker 1: to testify against her former boyfriend. She shares invaluable insights

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Speaker 1: gained from this chapter of her life, shed and light

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Speaker 1: on what transpired with her ex and whether they ever

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Speaker 1: revisit their share past.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: She is the first lady, y'all. So she concluded our

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Speaker 1: conversation with a heartfelt prayer and I ain't gonna lie.

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Speaker 1: Got your girl a little choked up? So join me

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four our first episode of the year,

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Speaker 1: Embrace and the emotions and revelations in this week's episode

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Speaker 1: of I Was a Rhoda Dye check Part two starting now.

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Speaker 1: So what motivated you to testify against him?

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Speaker 2: What motivated me to? Okay, let me and let me

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Speaker 2: let me make this part clear. Okay, Because where I

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Speaker 2: come from, sches get stitches, right, Yeah, Okay, I am.

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Speaker 3: I was raised around all boys, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, and my brothers. Although we were raising the church

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Speaker 2: my brothers don't don't come from a perfect background. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but when the detectives came and they initially talked to

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Speaker 2: me and you know, telling me about this murder that

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Speaker 2: was committed on the inside of my car. They asked me,

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Speaker 2: you know, of course, did I know him? Of course

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Speaker 2: I said yes. And did I have any knowledge of

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Speaker 2: him having a gun? And I said no, right, I

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Speaker 2: mean like this my dude, like nope, I don't know. Huhuh.

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Speaker 2: So that's what I told them initially. Okay, So then

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Speaker 2: you know, they gave me a card and said, you know, well,

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Speaker 2: this is an ongoing investigation. They said, he is not

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Speaker 2: being taken into custody because this was this appears to

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Speaker 2: be a self defense, right because in the commission of

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Speaker 2: purchasing drugs, it's when the crime occurred, okay, And so

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Speaker 2: you know, he was basically saying that he was defending

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Speaker 2: guy died, So it was it was self defense. The

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Speaker 2: detective said that it's an ongoing investigation. He's not being

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Speaker 2: taken into custody. But if you can remember anything, you know,

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Speaker 2: here's our car, give us call let us know, right,

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Speaker 2: So they went on and again I can't get in

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Speaker 2: he got released from the hospital. Uh, you know, we

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Speaker 2: they had it in custody. And then you know, he

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Speaker 2: He paid up for like a month or so, and

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Speaker 2: I'm there. My mother is in, you know, in the

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Speaker 2: could imagine that once the detective left, she ripped me

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Speaker 2: a whole new one, like, you know, like, oh my goodness,

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Speaker 2: that's a whole nother story.

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Speaker 2: But so this homicide got got local attention, right as

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Speaker 2: most homicides do. And so here's this church girl, you know,

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Speaker 2: And I'm not sure if you or your listeners.

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Speaker 3: Are familiar or know anything.

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Speaker 2: About prophecy, but I was raised in a church where

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Speaker 3: He said that is the mental hospital.

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Speaker 2: Or je jail. Yeah, so whatever you've gotten yourself caught

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Speaker 2: you know, you're gonna go down with him. Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, if you ever had one of those

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Speaker 2: So once I heard that, right quite naturally, it was like, okay,

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Speaker 1: A gun, right right, because you was there, right.

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Speaker 2: I got you. Okay, okay, all right, make sure you

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Speaker 2: Come on, okay. So at this time, when I'm calling

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Speaker 2: So and I was aware that, you know, these this

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Speaker 2: past because he had been incarcerated for it. In between children,

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Speaker 2: I was aware of that being something he did because

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Speaker 3: So then they said, well.

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Speaker 2: He is under our radar because of these step by deceptions.

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Speaker 2: And there is a female's voice that is on some

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Speaker 2: So I'm like, you know, first of all, you know,

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Speaker 2: ain't one of them? Ministry, No, no at all. But

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Speaker 2: I remember at this time, I'm you know, I'm young,

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Speaker 2: did know that he did theft by deceptions in the past,

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Speaker 2: if you don't tell us everything you know, then you

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Speaker 2: a weapon in his hand, right, okay, because at this

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Speaker 2: point the you know, the weapon belonged to the other guy, right,

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Speaker 2: But now I put the weapon in his hand, and

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Speaker 2: I told him where the weapon came from, and during

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Speaker 2: that when they asked had I ever touched it? Then,

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Speaker 2: you know, remember if I touched it, so quite naturally,

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking, like, you know, we watched Law and Order

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Speaker 2: of Crime shows. Now my finger princes is on this.

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Speaker 1: Gun, so they gonna think you had something to do

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Speaker 2: Correct. So then in my head what my Man of

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Speaker 2: God said to me, I'm hearing that in the back

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Speaker 2: of my head. If you don't tell them everything that

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Speaker 2: you know, you're gonna end up going You're gonna end

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Speaker 3: Basically wow.

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Speaker 2: So then I'm sitting there and I'm sending them like, look,

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Speaker 2: I had nothing to do with the theft by deceptions.

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Speaker 2: You know, I did have a knowledge of them. He

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Speaker 2: did it in the past. I didn't even know that

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Speaker 2: it was something he was ongoing it was ongoing. I

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Speaker 2: it was something he had done in the past. So,

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Speaker 2: you know, they asked more information about this gun. Did

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Speaker 2: I know whether or not this gun had ever been

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Speaker 2: dispelled or you know, dispelled before? So I said yeah,

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Speaker 2: because I shot it in the field. So that's when

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Speaker 2: I told him about how I shot it in an

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Speaker 2: open field, and then they said, well, any other times

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Speaker 2: I do remember a time that you know, he was

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Speaker 2: on one of his high binges and he was extremely paranoid.

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Speaker 2: you know. And so I can remember being with him

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Speaker 2: And so I said that to them, right, and I said,

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Speaker 2: They were investigating it, but it was, you know, at

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Speaker 1: But now it's a homicide.

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Speaker 2: Because of my putting the gun in his hand. That

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Speaker 2: And that is what perpetuated me testing fy and testifying

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Speaker 2: Fast forward to him being inconcerated in our local jail,

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Speaker 2: you know, the detectives they came back with pictures because

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Speaker 2: you know, the gun.

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Speaker 3: They building up this case on him.

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Speaker 1: They really wanted him.

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Speaker 2: Huh, yes, ma'am. They did. So they're building up this

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Speaker 2: that they have against me, because they ain't got no case. Right.

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Speaker 3: So, by it being the night before and I knew

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Speaker 2: The next day, I say, I got something to tell you,

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Speaker 2: So I said, I talked to the detectives, and he

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Speaker 2: said what detectives? And so I proceeded to tell him.

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Speaker 2: He said, don't say anymore. You know the kindnversations I

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Speaker 2: the morning. At this point, I'm very pregnant, pregnant with

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Speaker 2: my youngest daughter, and I say, you know, I told

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Speaker 2: him everything, and so he was like, don't leave anything out,

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Speaker 2: I thought was very you know, I really appreciated that

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Speaker 2: I mean, I loved him, yeah, you know, and I

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Speaker 2: want my friend, don't get me wrong, but I still

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Speaker 2: loved him, right, And so I'm you know, I'm feeling

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Speaker 2: I was literally living two lives.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was so young, oh my old baby. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: It was extremely So I said it to him.

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Speaker 2: And then, you know, first thing he said when I

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Speaker 2: I should have never got you caught up because I

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Speaker 2: started crying. I'm so sorry, Like, you just tell me everything.

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Speaker 2: So I told him everything. I didn't do anything. I

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Speaker 2: I mean, I told him everything. So he listened, you know,

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Speaker 2: to lose his natural living man. He didn't. He maintained

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Speaker 2: his carm, he maintained his decorum. He apologized for putting

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you told me, said, I'm glad you told me.

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Speaker 2: Last thing he said to me though, before the visit

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Speaker 2: was over, If I need you to go in the hiding,

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Speaker 2: would you go? I was like, absolutely absolutely, I got

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Speaker 1: You're the kid witness.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm in my in my young naive head

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking, like, okay, that's the solution. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: I told him what I knew.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what's.

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Speaker 3: So crazy, Like all I gotta do is to go

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Speaker 1: You know, it's so crazy. I feel like he really

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Speaker 1: But I also feel like he knew how to manipulate.

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Speaker 2: It absolutely because he didn't.

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Speaker 1: I know, he knew that you didn't know the extent

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Speaker 1: come with it.

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Speaker 2: That part.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know.

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Speaker 3: There was a there was a the marshals came looking

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Speaker 3: All I thought.

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Speaker 2: All all I heard was if you go into hiding,

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Speaker 3: They're gonna have to throw the case out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he'll be.

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Speaker 2: Easy peasy, like, you know, no problem. So he said, okay,

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Speaker 2: So he was like, you know, come back and see me,

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Speaker 2: give me, give me two days and come back and

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Speaker 2: So he had met somebody else. Let me let me

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Speaker 2: tell you, this man should have been a multi billionaire

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Speaker 4: Was royal.

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Speaker 2: His mouthpiece. So he had a friend that a guy

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Speaker 2: So like he would give you know, money to this

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Speaker 2: Never none of the cause it came to me were direct,

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Speaker 2: The same girl who was calling me for him. He said, look,

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Speaker 2: I got somewhere for you to go. My attorney gonna

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is what we're gonna do.

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Speaker 2: And then when it blow over, you know you can

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Speaker 2: So I went into hiding. There was the marshals went

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Speaker 2: looking for me everywhere that I would be. They came

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Speaker 2: told my mama was going to I probably my grown

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Speaker 1: Been worked when and you took your kids with you?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Wow, Yeah, I had one of the mama's that

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Speaker 2: where you go, they show go. Right, she wasn't one

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Speaker 3: Granny to sit home with the babies, right?

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Speaker 1: And so how long were you? How long were you

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Speaker 2: wasn't that long. I want to say maybe two months

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Speaker 2: the most. And what made you comet? Say it again?

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Speaker 1: And what made you come out?

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Speaker 2: I'm pregnant? It's what I was gonna get to I'm

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Speaker 2: pregnant at this time. I'm pregnant with my youngest daughter,

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Speaker 2: and you know I was I was getting sick. I

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Speaker 2: like I needed to. My whole world was consumed in

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Speaker 2: this man, the fact that I'm testifying and all. So

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Speaker 2: so I started getting sick and I couldn't go to

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Speaker 2: the doctor to find out what was long because I'm

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Speaker 2: in hiding. Show up to the doctors. What's gonna happen? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: paper track, right, So then you know, of course he

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Speaker 2: up marrying him why he was in the county jail.

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Speaker 2: Then I couldn't testify against him. That was gonna be

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Speaker 2: another way to get me not to be able to

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Speaker 2: I'd been his wife. Yeah, but then I couldn't. Right,

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Speaker 2: But I'm think if he want me a married because

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Speaker 2: he loved me.

436
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 1: But what if he did love you and he still

437
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 1: wanted to you still couldn't testify against him, Like what

438
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 1: if he really had good intentions on that.

439
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 2: I think he might have, Yeah, but the ultimate goal

440
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:43,639
Speaker 2: was so that I wudn't testify against him. Why we

441
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 2: couldn't get married for this?

442
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 1: Why right now?

443
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,400
Speaker 3: Why I got to be having a jail house waiting?

444
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 3: Why could saying house raising the church of marriage is honorable?

445
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 1: Why couldn't you out right, I don't want to get

446
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: buried in no jail house.

447
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 2: But girl and did and would have D was that

448
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,959
Speaker 2: much in love, I would have. But anyways, I couldn't

449
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 2: because I want to run, so that you know, that

450
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 2: did away with that. So I begin to get sick

451
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 2: and I couldn't go to the doctor, and he started

452
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 2: getting worried about me, and he started getting worried about

453
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 2: the baby. So he said to me like, look, I'm

454
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 2: gonna send my attorney come get you, and just turn

455
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 2: yourself in. Mm hmm. So he was fully aware that

456
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 2: I was turning myself in. He knew everything that was

457
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 2: going on. As it was going on, I got a

458
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 2: lot of people who are saying, well, you know, I

459
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 2: bet he hated her.

460
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 3: No, he hated itself and put me in that position.

461
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, if you'd have never put me in that position,

462
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 2: we would have I would have never been able to

463
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 2: say a thing that.

464
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 3: I knew, but to show that I was such a writer.

465
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 3: I was into hiding.

466
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 1: No you You was definitely a ride to die. You

467
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 1: You was the epitome.

468
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. But I canna tell you one quick story.

469
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you and your listeners one more quick story.

470
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 2: And don't y'all judge me here. That was my past.

471
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 2: Don't be udging me something out, especially was a person.

472
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 2: When we came back from Columbus and I had I

473
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 2: found out that I was pregnant before I went to Columbus.

474
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 2: Back then, you know, the fraternity to her pregnancy test

475
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 2: was you couldn't go and get them on a shelf

476
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: like you could do now. I knew I was pregnant

477
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 2: because I missed my period. I think the stress of

478
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 2: the robbery and everything that ended up happening. I started bleeding,

479
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 2: and while we were in Columbus, I started spotting, and

480
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 2: I of course I couldn't tell my mother, So I

481
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 2: said to him, you know what I'm spining. So he said,

482
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 2: it's normal where you cramping? I said, no, it's normal.

483
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 2: I said, okay. And then on the way back from Columbus,

484
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 2: I started bleeding heavy to the point where we had

485
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 2: to stop him. We had to get you know, had

486
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 2: to get myself covered. And then you know, that whole

487
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 2: situation with he had bought some drugs or he took

488
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 2: something I don't know what he had purchased in Columbus

489
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: that caused him to start hallucinating and sweating profusely. I

490
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 2: ended up having to drive on the freeway back home.

491
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,959
Speaker 2: I never been on the freeway before. It's got crying

492
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 2: fran and thinking, like, you know, how stupid of a

493
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 2: person am I to get myself caught up in the

494
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 2: middle of the situation because at this point the murder

495
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 2: had happened. I'm coming from Columbus, crying because he on

496
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 2: the back seat passed out. I'm driving no GPS, I'm terrified,

497
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 2: it's dark out, trying to get myself back to Lego

498
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 2: while bleeding to so, you know, once he wakes up

499
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 2: and discovered that, I'm you know, he's okay now to drive,

500
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: get this stuff together. I say to him, I'm bleeding heavier.

501
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 2: We got to get you to a hospital. We go

502
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 2: straight to the hospital. I get checked that out. At

503
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 2: the er I got they kept me because they said

504
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 2: that I had a miscarriage. I was in my seventeenth

505
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 2: week of pregnancy. But the baby didn't miscarry. All of

506
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 2: it didn't come out, and back then they would do

507
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 2: what's called a DNC, so I had to stay in

508
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 2: the hospital to get this DNC performed. So he left

509
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 2: me there, said I'm gonna go home, get showered and changed.

510
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 2: I'll be back in the morning. All boy left and

511
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 2: never came back my three day. I think I stayed

512
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 2: in the hospital three or four days.

513
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 3: Came time for me to get out the hospital.

514
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 2: Now he did take the kids and dropped him off

515
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 2: with my best friend before he took me to the hospital.

516
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 3: So thank god, I had to call my mother to.

517
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: Come and get wooed cha.

518
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 3: I think I'd much rather approach Jesus on the throne than.

519
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 2: To call my mama.

520
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 1: She was sick of you.

521
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 2: He had my car and she had to come give

522
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 2: me for the hospital and I didn't have I didn't

523
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 2: had a miscare they got two kids already.

524
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 3: Wow, now I had a miscarriage.

525
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 2: So anyway, I had to call my mama because he

526
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 2: he m I a right, Uh he had he was

527
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 2: a total two weeks.

528
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 3: I ain't seemed for like total two weeks.

529
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: I'm still believing going through what I needed, you know,

530
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 2: because of the DNC or what have you. So I'm

531
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 2: trying to find him. And there was a place he

532
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 2: stayed and this lady he stayed with, he said it

533
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 2: was like like a godmother to him. She was a

534
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 2: church lady. And so when I was looking for him

535
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 2: while at the hospital, I call over there and I say,

536
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 2: you know, so and so and such and such, I'm

537
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: looking for him, and you know, I don't know where

538
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: he is. I'm at the hospital. I just have a miscarriage.

539
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah, y'all see him? Could y'all please tell him?

540
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: You know that I need I need him, come get

541
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 2: me right, caused me? And he m I a two weeks.

542
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 2: When I finally get on the phone, instead of apologizing

543
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 2: for having my car, give me some good grand story

544
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 2: about where he been. The first thing he says to

545
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 2: me is I need you to call over there and

546
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: tell them you lie because if you if not, they

547
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 2: gonna think I'm a horrible person and they're gonna.

548
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 3: Kick me out.

549
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 2: I won't have a place to live. So I call

550
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 2: over there and tell this church lady that I lied.

551
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 2: So she begins to say, I need to pray for you.

552
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 2: That was terrible, you know, I mean people lose their babies.

553
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: You did what that was horrible? Like, you know what,

554
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pray for you.

555
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 3: And I'm crying on the other end of the phone

556
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 3: because I'm lying to her.

557
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: But I told her the truth what he wanted me

558
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 2: to do, so that he wouldn't get put out right right,

559
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 2: because I'm a writer.

560
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 3: He got my car let me.

561
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: I am dry, But I'm gonna call over here to

562
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 2: try to keep your your situation stable because I'm suster,

563
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 2: I'm the writer.

564
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: So this has been almost what forty.

565
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 2: Years thirty six thirty?

566
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: Where is he at now?

567
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 2: He is deceased? Wow, yep, he is deceased.

568
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: Wow, God bless him.

569
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 2: Wow.

570
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: I know that had to be hard.

571
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 3: I want to say, maybe two three years ago?

572
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's reason yep. And did y'all ever have

573
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: a closure moment? Like, did y'all ever talk about everything?

574
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yeah, after he got incarcerated and you know, all

575
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 2: of this is going on and my now husband at

576
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 2: that time, he was like a big brother figure in

577
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: my life. He was a drug dealer, and he was

578
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 2: raising the church, you know, but he walked away from

579
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,719
Speaker 2: the church and was he was a drug dealer, but

580
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 2: one of the kindest people I ever met, you know, always,

581
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: you know, big heart. So he ended up getting saved

582
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: and coming back to Toledo. And when he came back

583
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 2: to Toledo, now he's he's saved, he's a minister, and

584
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: so I always could talk to him.

585
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 3: So I just began to.

586
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 2: Share with him all of the things, you know, that

587
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 2: I had endured in this relationship. So he is also

588
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: the person who is the only person that I told

589
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 2: that I'm going because now.

590
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 3: He's already in he I testify.

591
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 2: He's convicted of homicide in the involuntary manslaughter in the

592
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 2: commission of a felony.

593
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 3: Now he's in prison. So while he's in prison, we still.

594
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 2: Maintain our relationship, still maintain our connection. He and he

595
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 2: says to me, I want you to come out here, so,

596
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: you know, come down here so we can get married.

597
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: Don't bring the kids this time, you know, when you come,

598
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 2: I want us to get married.

599
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 3: So I'm like, yes.

600
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: God, do it finally, right right right.

601
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 3: I'm about to get my mad and were about to

602
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 3: be a husband.

603
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: And wife. So the only person I tell is my

604
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 2: now husband. I say to him, I'm going down here

605
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 2: and we're gonna get married. And so he looked at

606
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: me and say, you're going what? And so I repeated.

607
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: He was like, oh, you know, I don't think that's

608
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 2: a good idea, but that's what you want to do,

609
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: you know. So I go that day chaplain doesn't show up.

610
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 2: God saved me from myself, because had the chaplain showed up,

611
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: I'd have been married, riding out of bit with my husband. Yeah,

612
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 2: got the chaplain. I showed up. So in the midst

613
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 2: of the chaplain not showing up, me and my husband

614
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 2: and my now husband, you know, me sharing different things

615
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: with him over time, you know. Then kind of ironically,

616
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 2: he just kind of expressed that he felt like I

617
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: was a good person. He felt like I was a

618
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 2: good girl. I just got hooked up with the wrong person.

619
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah that you would, you know, you would

620
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 2: make somebody a wonderful wife. And thirty two years later,

621
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: I think he was right. Wow, I think he was right.

622
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: So once this gentleman found out that I sent him

623
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 2: a copy of the marriage license, this was a very

624
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 2: possessive person in and out of my life ever since

625
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 2: I met him. So, you know, he would get locked

626
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: up for whatever reason, you know, with these step by

627
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: deceptions or whatever crime he was committing at that point

628
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: in time, and when he would come back and find me,

629
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: we would resume like nothing ever happened. So I did

630
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: sit on a copy of my marriage license like I'm

631
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 2: moving on. I married this person, blah blah blah. So

632
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 2: I didn't hear from him. I didn't know that my

633
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 2: husband was intercepting the letters that were coming from the

634
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: prison because he never stopped writing. But my husband was

635
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: in the stepped in the letters that were coming from

636
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 2: the prison. Were you mad when he finds out? When

637
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: he finally gets out, you know, he ended up, I

638
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 2: want to say. I believe he got a twelve year sentence,

639
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 2: ended up serving eight years. So wait, were you downtown?

640
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: Were you mad that your husband was intercepting the letters?

641
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 2: No, I wasn't mad. I wasn't mad at it. I

642
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 2: was shocked. Yeah, I wasn't mad at all. I just

643
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: assumed that since he since I stopped getting them, I

644
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 2: thought that when I sent the marriage like that was

645
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: it that made me mad? Like so he wasn't so

646
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: I didn't even I was shocked, but I wasn't mad

647
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 2: at all. But anyways, the only way that he knew

648
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: to get in touch with me because I had moved

649
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 2: on with my life and the only way that he

650
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 2: knew to find me is guess where in the church.

651
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 2: All boys showed up at church?

652
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: Child, That's how you know, God got a sense of humor,

653
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: that part, that.

654
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 3: Part always showed up at church.

655
00:32:59,520 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 4: Wow.

656
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 2: So the long and the short of it is, you know,

657
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: you had a conversation with my husband. Oh, you only

658
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: got her because I was in prison this and that

659
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: I want to see my kids, you know. And I

660
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: always knew that. I knew that was just a ploy

661
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: and applied on a plan because he felt even though

662
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: I was married, that I would still you know, the

663
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 2: connection I had with him would still resonate. So my

664
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: husband said, hey, give me your number, I have her

665
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 2: call you. You know what I'm saying. I married a

666
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 2: very a very strong, alpha male who was totally confident

667
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 2: in who he was, so you know, I got in

668
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: contact with him to you know, find out like you know, oh,

669
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 2: I want to see my kids. Okay, no problems, So

670
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 2: go ahead down into then their child support folks set

671
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 2: up that their child support.

672
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 3: Will do legal visitation through the court system.

673
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then there you have it. So he disappeared.

674
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 2: Needless to say, wow, time went on. My children were

675
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 2: not exposed to him until some years later, so that

676
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 2: they did get exposed to him, I wasn't very excited

677
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 2: or happy about it, but nevertheless they got a relationship.

678
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: So before he died, they get to they did get

679
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: to know him somewhat and did get to have a

680
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 2: relationship with him somewhat. So I did get a heartfelt

681
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 2: apology and the conversation that one of his biggest regrets

682
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: in life is that that he introduced me to so

683
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: many things that he brought so much hurt to me.

684
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,720
Speaker 2: So we did have iron what I would call closure moment,

685
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 2: and that was that.

686
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: Wow, what a story man. I'm so happy that I

687
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: found you. I'm so happy that you'll share your story

688
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: because I really do believe that this is going to

689
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 1: help a lot of people out, especially young girls.

690
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 2: I hope, so.

691
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: Last, not least, if you can go back and give

692
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: advice to your younger self during that time, what would

693
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: you say if.

694
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 2: I could give advice to my youngers self, I would say,

695
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 2: never value anybody over yourself. Facts. I would tell my

696
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 2: younger self, get to know you and fall in love

697
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 2: with you before you get to know somebody else and

698
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 2: fall in love with them. Facts. One of the things

699
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: that I do on a daily I try my best

700
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 2: to anyways, is I try my best to use words

701
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 2: to motivate, inspire and encourage anybody that I possibly can,

702
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: anybody that will listen, especially the ones who people you know,

703
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 2: count out the people that look down on you, or

704
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 2: people think that they better than you, or you know,

705
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 2: because that was me. That was me. I was the

706
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 2: one voted at least likely to succeed in high school.

707
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 2: I was the one who was looked down upon, was

708
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 2: prejudged based on choices and decisions and that I've made

709
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: in my past. I was the one who lived in

710
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: the regret of my past for years, even though I

711
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: was married and loved my husband diitterly. And I tell

712
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 2: everybody that a man called Robert was the first person

713
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: that impacted my life and the last person that impacted

714
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: my life. My grandfather's name was Robert, my husband's name

715
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: is Robert, and my husband taught me unconditional love but

716
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: what I had to learn is that you have got

717
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 2: to heal from the mistakes of your past so that

718
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 2: you don't subconsciously repeat them. Yeah. Facts, facts, love yourself.

719
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, And since you have a direct line to God,

720
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: and this is my last episode for the year, you

721
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: want to say a little prayer for us?

722
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: First, lady, Oh, absolutely, absolutely, positively. First off, let me

723
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 2: just say this that I pray over anything that I

724
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:01,959
Speaker 2: do because I have I've been through enough in life

725
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 2: where you live regretfully because of choices and decisions. Facts,

726
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 2: and every platform, or every engagement, or every opportunity is

727
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: not God given facts. The devil knows how to open

728
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 2: up doors just like God does. So I pray before

729
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 2: I commit. Okay, So, because the moment that story came out,

730
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 2: I got a lot of inboxes, I got a lot

731
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 2: of inquiries from different people, you know, wanting to hear

732
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 2: different facets and you know, wanting to talk about this story.

733
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 3: Everything and everything is not meant for me. So I'm

734
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 3: I'm not.

735
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm very old well and I'm not gonna say, oh,

736
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: I'm seasoned? What made you set?

737
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 1: What made you come on this show?

738
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 2: I prayed over it. I prayed over it, and I'm

739
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: seasoning settled. You know, I'm not out for pats on

740
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 2: the backs or you know, clicks and likes. That's not

741
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 2: what I'm here for. I want to make certain that

742
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 2: my steps I ordered of God. So when I saw

743
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 2: all the first of all, I was going to spell

744
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 2: everything I got after it, I had second thoughts. After

745
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 2: all of that, I was gonna, like, no, deactivating.

746
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 3: From the Internet.

747
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 2: I'm shutting down because stuff was coming from everywhere, and

748
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: a lot of it was negative. A lot of it

749
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: was negatively. And my whole purpose was to motivate, inspire,

750
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: and encourage somebody else that if God could do that

751
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 2: for me, he can certainly do it for you. And

752
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: I am where I am now. It's nothing that God

753
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 2: can't do. But now, my whole premise was to motivate,

754
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: inspiring courage. Everybody didn't hear that. Everybody didn't see that, So,

755
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: you know, Hents, that's what I said. I had to

756
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 2: pray over everything, and this was definitely one of those

757
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: that the Lord clearly let me know that this is

758
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 2: something that I can feel comfortable in and that I

759
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 2: can feel free in doing because the motive and the

760
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 2: intent is right, and the motive and intent lines up

761
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 2: with what I'm trying to do, and that is to

762
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 2: motivate and inspiring and courage every black girl out there.

763
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 2: I don't care what your age is. You know there

764
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 2: are women who are in their fifties and then they're

765
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 2: in their sixties that are still making bad decisions because

766
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 2: they are being a writer or die they standing by

767
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 2: their man.

768
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 3: You understand what I'm saying. So this is not this has.

769
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 2: This decision that I made in life crosses all demographics.

770
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: It crosses skin color, it crosses age, it crosses religit,

771
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 2: it crosses all demographics.

772
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 1: Love is blind facts facts.

773
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 2: Therefore we can all be a victim of it. So

774
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 2: I want to make certain that any platform that I

775
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 2: touch is one for the lining up with the exact

776
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 2: same motive that I'm trying to do, and that is

777
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 2: to get the positive spin of it out there, definitely

778
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: not the negative. Okay. So this being the last interview

779
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 2: of the year for you and for this platform, I

780
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: finally believe that it's not by accident or coincident. I

781
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: don't think God does anything accidentally. Fact, Listen, God is

782
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 2: so masterful in his orchestration that he could put Steven

783
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 2: Spielberg out of businesses. Yeah, you know what he doing.

784
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

785
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 2: I believe your steps, my steps are ordered of the Lord.

786
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 2: So we are sitting down here at this particular time,

787
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 2: at this particular moment, because it was God ordained. I

788
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 2: firmly believe that your platform is going to take off

789
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 2: like never before. I believe and I feel in my

790
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 2: spirit that the half has not been told for you,

791
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 2: because your motive and your intent and your heart is right.

792
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 2: Sometimes God has to use people, and that's us. Yeah,

793
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: and He's got to use people to look like us

794
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 2: if we can relate to people that look like us,

795
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 2: because you understand me, because you are me, just at

796
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 2: a different time, just at a different face, and just

797
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 2: at a different season. Facts. So I firmly believe with

798
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: every fire my being that that haf ain't been told

799
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: for you, young lady. I firmly believe that my story resonated

800
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 2: with you, because yes, it's one of somebody that's a

801
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 2: writer or die, but it's from somebody that's speaking from

802
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 2: a place of pain. And when you can relate to

803
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 2: the pain, then you understand the sometimes the choices. Yeah, facts,

804
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 2: and you can relate to that firmly believe that good

805
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 2: things are and great things are in store for you, Father, God,

806
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,959
Speaker 2: in the name of Jesus. Even now, Father, I ask

807
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 2: that your hand of protection, that your hand of guidance,

808
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: that your hand of direction, lead and guide her every

809
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,959
Speaker 2: step of the way. God, I decree and declare even

810
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 2: now that you will open up doors for her, Let

811
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: her name be spoken in rooms that she has not

812
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 2: even entered. I decree and the clear Father, that even

813
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 2: now that you orchestrate her steps, Father, Leader in God,

814
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: or to whom to talk to, when to talk to him? God,

815
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 2: Leader and God are on what to say and on

816
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: what tone that it needs to be delivered In God,

817
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 2: I decree and the clear Father, that she might not

818
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: be doing this full time, but that this thing shall

819
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 2: take off with such a throttle that'll have to be

820
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 2: a full time scenario, because there is a people out

821
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 2: here that need the healing of the authentic. They need

822
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 2: to see the raw and the real. And I firmly

823
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 2: believe God that the lady that I'm talking to on

824
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: the other side of this camera is one of them.

825
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: Order her steps, Father, make the way. God, allow it

826
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 2: to be debt free. God, allow whatever resources whatever avenues

827
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 2: that she needs, allow them to spring forward and open

828
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: up in front of her. Make the way easy, make

829
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 2: the path straight. I decree and declared in the matchless

830
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 2: name of Jesus, and it is so amen.

831
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: Amen, come onme, miss, that's how you do a prayer.

832
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: First of all, I ain't never seen nobody name on

833
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: the show, and I ain't never class for nobody. So

834
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: thank you so much. I really that, and I really

835
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: need to hear that. So thank you so much.

836
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 2: I will watch you blossom. Yeah, I don't watch you

837
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 2: sign us all the haters and said you wouldn't be

838
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 2: able to do it right.

839
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 3: I'll be able to sit back and watch you.

840
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:18,919
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

841
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 2: I will understand that me being so vulnerable and me

842
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 2: being so open, and me being so honest and raw,

843
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: even though maybe all of the intent that came out

844
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: of it was not for the negative. But I know

845
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: full well that God needed you to hear it at

846
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 2: this particular time, because God wanted me to give you

847
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 2: that prayer. And I just gave you all things I

848
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 2: orchestrated by God, all things and all things, all things.

849
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 2: So you be encouraged, don't you be discouraged. Don't even

850
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 2: worry about who ain't on board. Don't worry about the naysayers.

851
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 2: Don't worry about those they don't.

852
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 3: Thank you to be able to do.

853
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: It, because with the help of the Lord, you will

854
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 2: be able to do all things all thank you. Just

855
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 2: don't forget about this little girl. Don't forget about the girl. Listen.

856
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk to you.

857
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 2: Listen.

858
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk to you off the camera because I

859
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: am definitely taking you with me because I'm so thankful

860
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: that we connected. I felt like from the other platform,

861
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: I didn't get this from it, and I'm so thankful

862
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: and so happy that you felt comfortable enough to be

863
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: open and to be honest and transparent with not only

864
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 1: me but my listener. So I really do appreciate that.

865
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 2: You're so welcome.

866
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 3: You are so welcome.

867
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 2: So you got a prayer partner, You've got a motivator

868
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 2: and an encourage your right here in me. Reach out anytime.

869
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 2: I would love to come back. I have a project

870
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 2: in mind, and I'm praying about people to plug into

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Speaker 2: this project. And I got your name before the Lord.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to meet you. I wanted to be able

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Speaker 2: to feel your spirit. But I got your name before

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Speaker 2: the Lord, I started a foundation called to Say It

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Speaker 2: Forward Foundation, And similar to how you pay it forward.

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Speaker 2: You know how you pay it forward. You do something

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Speaker 2: nice for somebody and you say, don't repay me, just

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Speaker 2: pay it forward. Do something nice for somebody else, say

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Speaker 2: it for it. It's very similar. So it does, and

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Speaker 2: it's free. It's it's just saying it in words. So

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Speaker 2: just like I'm able to put a smile on your

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Speaker 2: face by saying something, you know, motivational, inspiring and encouraging

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Speaker 2: to you. The only thing say it Ford does is

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Speaker 2: now you go out there, assist and be great and

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Speaker 2: say it forward to somebody else.

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Speaker 1: Yes, because I am my sister's keeper.

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Speaker 3: There you go exactly.

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Speaker 1: Definitely, definitely that's what professional home girls do.

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Speaker 3: I definitely want you to plug in.

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Speaker 2: I say it forward for me and make certain that

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Speaker 2: we tell our sisters that we are each other's keeper.

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Speaker 2: I ain't got to tear you down in order for

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Speaker 2: God to make me who I need to be. Facts.

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Speaker 1: Facts, Well, I'm so thankful for us to me. We

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Speaker 1: are definitely going to keep in touch and I'm going

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Speaker 1: to talk to you about some things off the camera.

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Speaker 1: But to the listener, if you have any questions, comments

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Speaker 1: and concerns, please make sure to email me a hello

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Speaker 1: at the psgpodcast dot com. And until next time everyone.

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Speaker 1: By the time you hear this, it would be twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four, So happy New Year's everyone, and God bless later.

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna say bye.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, thank you so much for the opportunity. Thank

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Speaker 3: you so much to every listener that tunes in. Remember

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Speaker 3: stay motivated, inspiring and encourage, stay it.

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Speaker 4: Forward else yes later, Bye bye everybody.

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