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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, go back normally the show with normal When

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Speaker 1: she takes the woman was gets weird.

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Speaker 2: I am Mary Catherine here, and I'm Carol Marco and

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Speaker 3: How was your weekend? It was pretty good.

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Speaker 1: I was in Charleston, so I ate like seventeen in

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Charleston is definitely one of my favorite food cities.

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Speaker 3: What did you have?

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Speaker 1: Mostly Southern food because I don't get as much great

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Speaker 1: But I had dinner at Husk because I got a

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Speaker 1: five pm reservation for one and I was like, yes,

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Speaker 1: I will take it. And by the way, that Welcome

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Speaker 1: to South Carolina. Price is so reasonable, so reasonable.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I keep thinking I have to look up like what

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Speaker 3: Carleton, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Think is like any big bargain, like you pay for it,

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Speaker 1: but it is a lovely place.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I want to look at that because I I

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Speaker 2: worry about my kids ending up in some like you know,

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Speaker 3: Hillsdale is going to curse your name now.

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Speaker 2: I love Hillsdale. I love Hillsdale. I was actually when

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Speaker 2: I was when I said that, I was picturing Anne

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Speaker 3: If they go to Hillsdale, I could live with.

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Speaker 2: I could live with the weather.

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Speaker 3: We can we can make it happen.

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Speaker 1: I understand I too, am too soft for ann Arbor

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Speaker 3: Exactly right.

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Speaker 2: It's been a few days of lots and lots of news.

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Speaker 3: I think the biggest story is a.

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Speaker 3: So we're going to break it down.

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Speaker 2: But Judge Hannah Dugan, who has been on the Milwaukee

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Speaker 2: and concealing Eduardo Flores Ruez from arrest following a pre

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Speaker 3: About this on the internets.

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Speaker 2: He was not in her courtroom for that pre trial hearing.

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Speaker 2: He was there because he beat up somebody and really hurt.

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Speaker 2: Over dispute about loud music. So you know, not that

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Speaker 1: Can I also just like interject here with like, when

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Speaker 1: How does that feel if you're a victim.

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Speaker 2: That's a good I imagine not good, and it really

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Speaker 2: He had been deported from the US once before in

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Speaker 3: She takes him through a.

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Speaker 2: Door meant only for juries. And this is where we

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Speaker 1: Well, and of course the left is like, you can't

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Speaker 1: that's all above board. It's all completely situational Calvin Ball,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sick of it.

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Speaker 3: And the idea that people who have.

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Speaker 1: then this woman's going to be like lionized for protecting

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Speaker 3: I just it's driving me insane.

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Speaker 2: It's bananas. And you know, America voted for Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: opinion page. They must be really happy about this, right, MARKA.

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Speaker 1: Can we hear a little bit from David Brooks about this,

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Speaker 1: and we'll break down this clip after he has his say.

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Speaker 3: But here he is talking about this judge.

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Speaker 4: Well, obviously they're trying to send a note of intimidation

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Speaker 4: That's part of the heroism of it. Frankly, And so

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Speaker 2: I mean, for real, Like, what are we talking about here?

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Speaker 2: He is a criminal.

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Speaker 1: Also, just I don't know the details of this case,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's actually a classic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's not his most recent car or an April

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Speaker 3: Is not normal. Sure, try that again.

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Speaker 1: This is insane to me, and it's such a it's

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Speaker 1: how dare you dare.

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Speaker 2: You never want to die?

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Speaker 1: And then look, yes, civil disobedience is sometimes called for.

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Speaker 1: The idea that civil disobedience on behalf of this person

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Speaker 3: Is that's a moral. That's a moral.

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Speaker 1: And then there's there's the other judge out in New

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I think that if you are credibly accused

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Speaker 2: Absolutely and deported. It's so not sorry, not the judges deported,

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Speaker 1: One more point, just tangents on illegal immigration. Someone really

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Speaker 3: That was the wrong well, the wrong bag, exact wrong

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's sad, you know, I was thinking about this,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I do think they sort of took that

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Speaker 1: This is why I think a lot of voters and

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Speaker 1: But there will be some issues because Biden has given

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Speaker 3: You have a conviction, you're.

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Speaker 1: A Green card holder, you went out of the country

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Speaker 3: I don't find that unfathomable. I find that fathomable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they are going to try to pull out

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Speaker 6: On Friday, there were three America and citizen children born

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Speaker 1: Well, if I know, Margaret Brennan she's going to take

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Speaker 3: I was out of town in Charleston. This is an annual.

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Speaker 3: So they didn't do that. They didn't get a.

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Speaker 7: One serious note to my bones. I believe that reporting

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. As late as twenty twenty three, Alex

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Speaker 3: He is one of the better ones.

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Speaker 2: He really is, you know. I hate to criticize him

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Speaker 2: This is the kind of coverage that Republicans used to

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Speaker 2: Direct reaction to Romney's motorcade drove by a large Confederate

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Speaker 2: flag tweet, he is you can draw the line, and

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Speaker 2: they should. They should draw that line for themselves so

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Speaker 2: that they really understand that this is on them.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I I'm a person who wants to find

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Speaker 1: the truth, and I feel like I read critically and

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Speaker 1: I try to figure out, even when people are on

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Speaker 3: Messing up or if they're lying to me.

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing is like, particularly post COVID, I

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Speaker 1: was always suspicious, but particularly post COVID, if you assume

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Speaker 1: on a story that the media is really fired up about,

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Speaker 1: call it the Jesse standard.

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Speaker 3: If you assume that they're lying to you.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna be better off. You're going to search for

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Speaker 1: more facts. You're going to find the real story. In

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Speaker 1: the case of these deported children, I was like, saw

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Speaker 1: a couple headlines and was like, Oh, that sounds really bad.

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Speaker 1: Let me look into it. This might be a regrettable situation.

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Speaker 1: That is nonetheless not what they are telling me.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's always my first assumption. Now there's absolutely

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Speaker 2: no story that I believe at face value.

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Speaker 3: None.

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Speaker 1: H And by the way, the Biden story is a

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Speaker 1: perfect example of this. If you looked for the countervailing evidence,

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Speaker 1: which was right in front of your eyeballs, you would

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Speaker 1: see that they are sing with you. Yeah, I love

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Speaker 1: that that abc self important tweet. By the way, I

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Speaker 1: started with there was no president, and what they meant

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Speaker 1: was that Trump didn't show up to this dinner, and

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Speaker 1: I retweeted it and was like, this is a four

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Speaker 1: years old headline.

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Speaker 3: There was no president.

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Speaker 2: You're right, yeah, right, We're going to take a short

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Speaker 2: break and come right back with normally. Let's send on

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Speaker 2: a feel good note here. Okay, Saquon Barkley, we hate

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Speaker 2: the Eagles, and by we, I mean me.

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Speaker 1: I can't get the Eagles because they draft every Georgia bulldog,

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Speaker 1: so I just have to.

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Speaker 3: Find be on board.

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Speaker 2: Okay, half of the hosts of this show hate the

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Speaker 2: Eagle first, but I really did appreciate that. Saquon Barkley

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Speaker 2: told critics of his who didn't like that he golfed

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Speaker 2: with the president and blew to the White House with

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Speaker 2: Trump that they, you know, they didn't like that they

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Speaker 2: criticized him, and he told them to go pound stand

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Speaker 2: and I quite like that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, here's his quote, because of course he was pictured

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Speaker 1: with Trump and he says, Lol, some people are really

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Speaker 1: upset because I played golf and flew to the White

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Speaker 1: House with the all Caps president. Maybe I just respect

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Speaker 1: the office. Not a hard concept to understand. Just golfed

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Speaker 1: with Obama not too long ago and look forward to

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Speaker 1: finishing my round with Trump. Now you get out my

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Speaker 1: mentions with all this politics and have an amazing day.

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Speaker 1: I generally like Saquon Barkley a lot team affiliation, notwithstanding,

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Speaker 1: he just seems like a nice person.

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Speaker 3: This is the way, Yeah, this is the way, very

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Speaker 3: much the way.

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Speaker 1: And I hope he turned off his comments and moved

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Speaker 1: on with his day and went to play golf.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure he did do that, because that is the

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Speaker 2: same thing to do, and he seems rather sane. There were.

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Speaker 3: Your bestie.

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Speaker 2: Guy Benson shared a story about a friend of his,

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Speaker 2: not a Trump voter. This is the key part of

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Speaker 2: the story. Not a Trump voter, middle of the road

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Speaker 2: guy invited to play in a pickleball league in DC,

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Speaker 2: got kicked out of the league for not being a

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Speaker 2: Republican or a Democrat and just saying he's a moderate

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Speaker 2: and no longer invited to play. And his friend who

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Speaker 2: brought him to the league was said that he hadn't

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Speaker 2: properly vetted him.

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Speaker 3: That's you know.

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Speaker 2: And I also mentioned there was a story in The

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Speaker 2: New York Times this week. A woman writes in that

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Speaker 2: her husband, who does not talk to his own parents,

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Speaker 2: already has no relationship with his own parents. Wants the

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Speaker 2: wife to cut off the relationship she has with her

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Speaker 2: parents because well, they voted for the wrong person.

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Speaker 3: Oh, come on.

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Speaker 2: This is a sickness. This is a deep sickness, and

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Speaker 2: it is mostly on the left. It is absolutely mostly

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Speaker 2: on the left. It is something that just be out.

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Speaker 1: There are plenty of surveys that show that right leading

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Speaker 1: people are more willing to be friends with people of

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Speaker 1: the left, that they cut off relationships as quickly that

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Speaker 1: they cut off the cut off relationships less often.

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Speaker 3: This is a this is a actual data point. That's right.

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Speaker 2: Don't do this friends, really, you know we when we

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Speaker 2: tell you to act normally at the end of the show,

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Speaker 2: this is what we mean. Don't do this kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: Live your life. People are going to have different politics.

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Speaker 2: Even when they have the same politics, you might still

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Speaker 2: find reason to disagree. Sometimes you could do worse than

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Speaker 2: living life like it's okay. It's okay, yeah, live your life.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us on Normally. Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays,

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Speaker 2: and you can subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts. Get

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Speaker 2: in touch with us at Normallythepod at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening, and when things get weird, act normally,