WEBVTT - Gary Woodland 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:08.480 It's the Son of a Buch podcast. We come to 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:12.879 you every Wednesday. This guest the two thousand and nineteen 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:16.040 U S Open champion Gary Woodland Um, one of the 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:18.920 longest hitters in the game. Gary's a friend I've I've 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:22.040 worked with him before, played been in a ton of 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:24.600 practice rounds with him. He works with my dad. UM, 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:27.160 he's one of my favorite people on tour. So really 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:30.800 really really excited to talk to Gary and UM he's 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:33.559 got a unique story and I think people are going 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:37.560 to be surprised um by Um the way he thinks 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:40.239 and the way he thinks about golf. Um, he's just 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:42.440 kind of thought of his guy that hits golf ball 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:44.160 a long way. But I can promise you and there's 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:47.559 a lot more to him. But before we get to that, 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:51.960 this episode is being brought to you by Cobra Puma Golf. UM. 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:54.240 If you've listened to the pod, you know that I'm 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:56.840 a huge fan of the Cobra Puma brand. I've been 0:00:56.880 --> 0:00:59.840 with them for a number of years now. I'm excited 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:02.120 that they are not only back as a partner of 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:05.040 the pod, but also teaming up with me to bring 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:09.200 some of their ambassadors on his guests, and we're starting 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:14.000 with Gary Woodland. Um. You'll hear us talk about the 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:18.280 relationship and you know his kind of philosophy behind UM 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:21.639 his equipment made a big change to move to Cobra 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:27.280 this year. They have three new drivers out, the Cobra Aerojet. UM. 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:29.240 I put it in the bag, Um, I love it. 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:32.119 I think it performs really well. There's three models. There's 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:35.479 the Aerojet which is the low spin, high launch, the 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:39.360 Aerojet l S which is the low spin and low launch, 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:42.840 and then the most forgiving driver in the line, the 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:45.520 Aerojet Max. That's going to kind of give you a 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:49.280 blend of everything and give you a lot of forgiveness. 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:52.840 Everybody that I teach is always asking to try and 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:55.040 get hit the ball further. They want to hit it further, 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:57.520 they want more speed, they want more power, and that's 0:01:57.520 --> 0:02:00.480 something the arrow Jet driver delivers. And a few of 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:03.040 the new features behind that are the p w R 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:06.600 Bridge waiting. What is that. Well, they positioned the wait 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:10.400 forward and they fully suspended this pw R bridge weight 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:12.760 design right in the front and it allows for more 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:15.640 flexibility in the face and the soul, and that's going 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:20.000 to give you faster ball speeds. They've got advanced aerodynamics. UM. 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:22.960 Everybody's trying to move the golf club faster, and the 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:26.480 way the golf club is designed UM has a huge, 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:28.959 huge part of that, and I think that's where Cobra 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:32.919 is really kind of at the forefront in their aerodynamics UM, 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:35.679 because everybody's trying to get faster club head speeds and 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:38.440 everybody wants to hit the golf ball further. And then 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:42.519 the PowerShell hot face that's going to help the face 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:46.560 and the golf ball across wherever you hit it, UM, 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:47.920 if you hit it off the toe, if you hit 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:49.400 it in the middle, if you hit it off the heel. 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:51.840 They've done a great job with the new power shell 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:55.000 to to have the miss hits go further. And that's 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:57.520 what everybody's trying to do with their driver. UM. If 0:02:57.560 --> 0:02:59.480 you miss it, you want the miss to stay and play, 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:01.840 and you want to miss to still go a long way. 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:05.079 You can learn more and check out the erage at 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:08.640 drivers at Cobra golf dot com. Pre Orders are open 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:11.920 today and all three drivers are available for purchase on 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:16.840 February tent so huge, huge thanks to the Cobra Puma team. 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:21.360 UM they're great partners, and um, check out the new drivers. 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:25.000 I think everyone is going to be excited about them. 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:28.520 And so let's get to the interview with Gary Woodland 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:36.400 G dub your fifteen year on the PGA tour. I 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:40.280 mean that that's just crazy, isn't it. Well? I feel it. 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:42.280 I feel I feel like I've been out there for 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:45.160 a hundred so, um, it is crazy to think back 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:46.600 when I mean, when I came out, you know, you're 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:49.080 looking up to these other guys, like, man, these guys 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:50.440 have been out here a long time, and now it's 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:52.440 like I am that old guy. I'm the guy that's 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:55.320 been out here a long time. So um, it's cool though, 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:57.400 you know, I've learned a lot, but it's uh, it's 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:00.720 been a good ride for sure. So any time you 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:02.640 start a new year, I mean, you have no idea 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:05.320 what's gonna happen. You made the choice. Um, a lot 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:08.560 of guys do this equipment change this year, switching from 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:11.400 Wilson to cobra Um. Obviously there's a lot that goes 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:14.000 into that. For everyone listening. I think sometimes everybody just 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:16.280 thinks that the money play. You know, I'm just gonna 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:18.479 take the money. I'm gonna cash out and make a change. 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:22.520 But we've seen that work UM in reverse sometimes, and 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:25.120 I know for most of the players there's a lot 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:28.600 more into it than than just the money grab aspect 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:29.960 of it. That a lot of people think, what was 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.040 the decision and what was behind the decision to make 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:35.560 this change UM to Cobra. Yeah, I've I've done the 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:37.280 money grab before. Like I said, I've been out here 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:40.119 fifteen years. I've done that a couple of times, probably 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:43.760 throughout my career. And UM. I was very happy with Wilson. 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:47.800 The people there UM were amazing. Obviously. I have great 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:51.279 relationships with them, and I never thought i'd leave UM. 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:55.160 And to be honest with you, I had flexibility with 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:58.440 my woods in the past. I started playing some Cobra 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:00.560 Woods at the end of the year and I fell 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:03.560 in love with him. And I obviously have a relationship 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:06.159 with Puma, who owns Cobra. I've been with Puma, you know, 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:09.240 really since two thousand and eighteen, UM, so I have 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:11.760 a close relationship with them as well, and it it 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:14.359 kind of just went off from there. Ben who's the 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:16.960 tour rep, who I think is absolutely amazing. I trust 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:20.000 him to death. UM He's helped me in the past, 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:22.120 even when it wasn't Cobra stuff. He's helped me with 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:24.040 my stuff. So I trust him and I have a 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:27.839 lot of respect. And that's just where it started to grow. 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:29.839 And then I started, you know, I hitting the irons, 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:32.480 I tested the wedges, I tested the potter, I've tested 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:34.880 it all and it it just it just felt right, 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:37.920 um in the woods. Like I said, you know, I 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:40.080 led driving distance last week. I didn't play well, but 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:41.800 I led driving this. That's the first time I've done 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:45.520 that a long time. Um. So the stuff is just 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:47.480 really really good, and it's something that I feel like 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:49.280 will allow me to get back to where I want 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:51.039 to be and play the way I want to play. 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:54.480 You mentioned Ben Showman. He builds all the clubs for 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:58.320 for Cobra. That relationship that that you guys have on 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:00.520 the PGA tour, I mean the guy does it build 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:03.200 your equipment. I mean it's a it's they are the 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:05.840 pit crew of of your Formula One race car, right, 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:09.719 I mean you have to have a great relationship with them. Um. 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:12.240 You also did for as long as you hit it, 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:17.520 you're you've got very very interesting launch conditions. Um, you 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:21.240 hit down on your driver way more than the majority 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:23.560 of the guys out there. So somebody like a Rory McElroy, 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:27.280 I mean, you couldn't be any further away from the 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:30.360 launch conditions that Rory has. Where Rory's hitting up on it, 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:33.320 he's launching it high. You've always tended to have a 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:36.479 lot of that hit down on it. Um. The process 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:39.640 to get you in a driver, UM, talk to me 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:43.359 about that whole, from the beginning to the end. What 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:46.080 is that procesct? I think everybody listening will be fascinated 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:49.800 to hear what goes into that. UM. It's a lot 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:52.400 of trial and error, and that's where I think that 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:55.279 trust between the guys building your clubs and making it 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:58.280 really does come into play. There's no doubt about that. 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:00.760 That's that's a good point. And you throw on top 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:03.480 of that is I know hardly anything about golf clubs, 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:05.599 so that that doesn't help you. Know, you talk about 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:09.039 like guys that Ricky Fowler, who I think no more 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:13.040 than anyone. I think he is very knowledgeable about his equipment. 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:15.080 And I think that's one great thing about Cobra as 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.240 You've got Ricky in there helping with stuff. I think 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:19.960 Jason Duffner's very knowledge about stuff, and then you got 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:23.480 Bryson on top of that, who is obviously very knowledge 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:26.840 about equipment and and everything he talks about. But you 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:29.480 throw that in there. Ben has a lot to deal with, 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:32.800 and you throw the R and D team in there. Um, 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:35.520 so you fast forward back to me. I like stuff 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:38.600 really heavy too, so limits a lot of this stuff 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:40.800 that I can test. I I have a lot of lag, 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:43.520 I have a lot of downcock. I like that heavy 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:46.400 club so I can feel it at the top. I 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:48.360 want to be able to feel that in my transition, 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:52.600 so that eliminates a lot of chefts that I can test. Um. Ben, 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:54.600 obviously it's been around a long time. He's dealt with 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:57.320 these guys who have a lot of questions. I've kind 0:07:57.320 --> 0:07:59.160 of been the guy that they just throw stuff in 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:01.040 front of me and I swing and hit it, um 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:03.520 and hope it works out. Ben's helped me kind of 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:05.640 understand what I'm trying to do. I'm so now I'm 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:08.000 now I'm starting asking questions, Hey, what about this shaft? 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:09.440 What do you think about if we tip this a 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:12.400 little more, a little less because it is nice to 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:14.200 send it right, I'll like we all like to send it. 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:17.520 But for me, I like to have that little fairway finder. 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:19.440 I like to tee it down really low and just 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:21.760 kind of get out the very similar you know Tiger 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:23.280 used to the back in the day. DJ does it 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.200 now phenomenal, Tie it down low, get the golf ball 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.240 and play and let the rest of my game take over. 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:31.280 I need two conditions really for a driver. I need 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:32.680 one that I can send high and I need it 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:35.240 to t low. So that's where you start messing with 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:38.679 tipping in the shaft um changing the loft. The one 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:40.800 great thing about the arrow jet driver with Cobra is 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:44.040 I'm able to go up in loft, which I'm usually 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:46.480 a very low loft driver. I'm usually around six and 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:48.439 a half seven degrees. I'm up over eight degrees a 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:51.719 loft right now. That only helps me with dispersion with 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:54.679 my misses. So it's been I've learned a lot more 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:56.079 in the last couple of months, and I haven't a 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:58.480 long time about golf clubs, but it has been a process. 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:02.000 I did change shafts last tweak um to a lighter 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:03.760 shaft that I haven't played in a long time, but 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:06.959 we were working with tipping. We've tried different stuff, um, 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:09.240 and I credit been for that, and obviously you've got 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:11.600 track Man and all these other technology quads and all 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:14.079 this stuff out there that helps. But it is trial 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:15.520 and error, and then you get it on the range, 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:17.120 you gotta get it on the golf course, and once 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:18.959 you get it on the golf course, you gotta put 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:21.960 it in competition. So it is a process. But I 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:24.160 feel like we're getting towards the end of that and 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:26.520 everything's getting down in where we want it, which is nice. 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:29.400 I think one of the big differences get between what 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:31.280 you guys do on the tour level and what the 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:34.480 average golfer. I consider everybody that's not on the PGA 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:38.120 Tour playing competitive and average golfer. So there's you guys 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:39.840 and then there's the rest of us. I think the 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:42.760 average golfer goes into fittings and they're they're looking to 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:46.560 try and improve their good shots, whereas all the fitting 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:49.840 that you guys do specifically on tour g dub with 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:52.559 the driver. Um, it's about fitting for the miss. It's 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:55.760 about giving you a golf club that you can keep 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:58.320 on the golf course and the miss and that's one 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:00.520 of the things that that we always go right. Well, 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:02.480 you say, when you're watching you guys hit balls and 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:04.760 you're getting fit, or when you're working in your swing, 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:07.280 you'll you'll hear you guys, or or someone like me 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:10.120 or the fitter, say hey, if that's the miss then 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:13.280 then we're gonna be in a pretty good place. There's 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:15.400 no doubt about that. And you look at you look 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:17.160 at my game how I transition. When I came out 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:20.240 on tour fifteen years ago, I was one, if not 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:22.600 the longest guy out there at the time. You're fast 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:24.880 forward now, at that time, I hit it a long way. 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:26.360 I had no idea where it was going, but I 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:28.640 hit it a mile. I had to learn. Everybody, now, 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:30.440 once you see me hit stingers, that's all they want 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:31.959 to see. Hit the stinger. Hit the stinger, put the 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:34.480 driver away, hit the singer. Well, I had that. I 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:36.079 had to learn that shot so I could get the 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:38.280 golf ball and play. That's and that's where you're talking 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:40.880 about the misses. Even when the driver was all over 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:42.439 the place, I had to have something to get the 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:44.480 golf ball and play. And that's where that stinger came about. 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:46.839 So the misses is a huge part of it. I'm 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:49.320 a usually typically a higher spin guy than a lot 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:51.520 of guys with the driver, because if I want that 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:53.000 ball to land in the fairway, I don't want to 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:54.960 bounce and I wanted to stay in the fairway. UM, 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:57.440 So typically I like a little little higher spin which 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:00.880 keeps that dispersion a little tighter. As well. You mentioned 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:03.560 Dustin Johnson. You play a lot with DJ. He's one 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:05.760 of your boys. I mean the differences you said about 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:07.959 the weight of your golf clubs because of the way 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:11.240 that you swing. UM. You pick up your driver versus 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:14.199 DJ's driver, and I mean yours feels like a sledgehammer 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:18.200 compared to what people would think his driver would feel like. 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.600 It's six four long arms, long legs with the same 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:25.360 type of speed that that he has and you have. UM. 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:29.439 The shaft is a huge part of when you're switching 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:32.800 golf clubs, getting that shaft to match what the head 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:37.839 is doing and when you find that combo UM the optimal. 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:40.400 I mean, give us an example, what do you want 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:42.439 to see the driver spinning at? What do you want 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:45.040 to see it launching at? UM the work that you 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.520 and Ben do UM with the Cobra team, what do 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:50.320 you want those numbers kind of the sweet spot for 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:54.640 you right now. Yeah, I'm with spin which I think 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:57.199 is high um and I like it launching over ten. 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:59.360 I used to launch it a lot lower than that. 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:01.800 The Cobra drive, ever, has allowed me to launch it 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:04.400 a little higher at that spin. It usually took me 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:07.720 launching it around nine to get the lower to get 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:09.719 the spin down to where I wanted it. So I'm 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.080 launching a little over ten um. I can get it 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:16.320 to eleven sometimes and that spin. And you talk about DJ, 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:18.360 I mean, DJ and I play a lot of golf together. 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:21.080 I can't hit his driver, he can't hit mine. And 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:22.920 that's the funny thing is our ball flights. We both 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:25.480 like to play cuts. We both hit similar shots, but 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:27.800 it's just the way we go about it's completely different. 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:30.640 And I mean, to me, everybody talks about people driving 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:32.000 the golf ball. I think he's one of the best 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:34.480 that's ever done it. It is fascinating to watch him 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:38.280 hit driver on holes that you know, maybe don't set 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:40.280 up for it, and he just has the confidence that 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:42.240 to hit that little butter cut out there, and it's 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:47.120 it's super impressive. You know. It's interesting that I don't 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:50.760 think everyone listening realizes that you can pick up DJ's 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:52.600 driver and can't hit it, and he can pick up 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:55.800 your driver and can't hit I don't think everyone listening 0:12:55.800 --> 0:13:00.560 realizes how specific and different the equipment is. For for 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:05.559 you guys, Um you mentioned that that four kind of hundred. 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:08.320 I mean just for everyone listening. You know, DJ his 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:13.200 sweet spot is anywhere between two thousand two hundred with 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:15.800 the spin. If he starts spinning it in the range 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:18.199 that you're trying to spin it now, he's going to 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:22.120 hit it all over the planet. Um, confidence was you 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:23.920 know when you put a new driver in, when you 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.319 put new equipment in, is it hard on the golf 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:27.960 course if you go out, like you said last week, 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:30.280 you drove it, you lead in driving distance and you 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:34.000 didn't play good. I mean there's always that tendency. I 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:36.320 think when any golfer puts new equipment in their bag, 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:38.760 it's it's how hard is it not to just go, Okay, well, 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:41.640 it's the equipment. It's not me, because that's an easy one, 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.560 right because in your brain you're like, Okay, didn't I'm 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:46.800 making some changes. I'm not shooting the scores I want. 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:49.200 It's got to be the equipment. You guys are all 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:52.640 the same. It's never. It's never. It's never, you guys, 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:55.280 it's never. I mean, it's gotta be the equipment, the caddy. 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:57.400 I mean, it's got to be something. But you know, 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:00.200 for me with the equipment is I'm pretty comfortab well. 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:02.400 From the standpoint I put the driver and played before 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:05.400 before I had signed with Cobra, So I've been playing 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:07.679 the driver for a couple of months now. I'm very 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:10.120 confident with it. And for me when it comes to driving, 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:12.040 last week I did not play well like we talked about, 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:15.600 but I was eight and driving first and distance. For 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:17.360 me to play well and for me to be successful, 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:18.640 I had to drive the golf ball well, and that's 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:20.320 where I struggled. The last couple of years. I have 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:22.480 not driven the golf ball like I want to. So 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:24.320 that was a huge step for me. That's a huge 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.760 confidence boost for me going forward. I have some other 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:28.880 things obviously I need to tighten up, but the driving, 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:30.960 for me, if I can drive the golf ball like that, 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:32.560 I'm gonna get and play the way I want to 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:34.560 be and get to where I want to be. So um, 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:36.640 that was a that was a positive from last week 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:44.440 from a from a not playing well weak g W 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:47.560 A goals guide. You do you have goals in your head? 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:50.160 Do you write goals down? I remember Brooks telling me 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:52.000 he would always kind of go to the beach at 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:54.280 the end of of a year, at the beginning of 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:56.320 the year and just go down by himself one morning 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:58.760 and take a notebook or piece of paper and he'd 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.360 write down his goals. I mean a t um Justin 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.040 Thomas has been great, I think on social media, putting 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:06.160 out like the notes that he has in his phones 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:08.640 of what his goals are. Are you one of those 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:11.200 type of players or do you just kind of just say, hey, 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:12.800 you know, I'm just gonna try and you know, see 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:16.000 what happens this year. I'm a very visual person, so 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:17.960 I do have goals. I do have written down, and 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:19.200 I do look at them. I have them in my 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:21.400 bathroom mirror, so I see them on a daily basis, 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:23.680 and for me that's just a reminder, right that puts 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:26.920 things in perspective, especially weeks last like like last week, 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.800 when I don't play well, you're frustrated, to get mad, 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:31.840 you get home, I look at the mirror and I see, okay, 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:33.640 this is what I have to do to be successful. 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:35.840 I have the goals. I had the process to achieve 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:38.840 those goals. Now let's let's reset, Let's find the positives 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:41.000 from last week. We'll take the driving that was a positive, 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:42.920 and let's move on and let's go get better for 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:45.480 next week. It's hard sometimes if I don't have goals 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:48.040 and I start playing bad like I did last week, 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:50.080 I can start dwelling on that, and then it festers 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:51.920 into not playing well to three weeks in a row, 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:54.280 and then it turns into a bad year. So I'm 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:57.040 a very goal oriented, very visual person. I need to 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:58.880 see them. I have them on my phone as well, 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:00.800 and I can scroll through if I don't have it 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:03.080 up on my mirror when I'm traveling. Um, but yes, 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.200 I need to see those on a on a daily basis. 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:09.120 Any uh, any sharing on what any of the goals are. 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:10.320 You don't have to give us the big ones, but 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:13.560 give us just a not a I think goals and 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:16.400 the reason why I say that, I think goals are 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:19.040 really really specific to players, and I think you know 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:21.640 I've asked. I've I've known Brooks for over a decade now, 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:23.880 and I've asked him sometimes what his goals are He'll 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:25.760 tell me some of the other ones. But he said 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:28.280 to me before, Hey, my goals are kind of you know, 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:30.240 they're sacred to me. But are there any like ones 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:32.520 that you'd be willing to share with us? From a 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:35.200 game standpoint, you know things that you want to try 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:37.280 and truth. Are you looking at where you are in 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:41.400 strokes gained putting? Um? Are you looking at greens and regulation? 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:43.360 What are some of the things that you're looking in 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:47.640 to try and change. Yeah, I mean, obviously have goals 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:50.440 from a personal standpoint and how I want to operate 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:53.320 my team and whatever in my life and personal But 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:56.520 from a golf standpoint and performance standpoint, I mean obviously 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:59.440 Tour championship, obviously Ryder Cup, etceter or stuff like that. 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.440 I'm not huge on performance side because I think if 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:04.040 I play well and take care of myself, all that 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:06.280 stuff takes care of itself. But for me, I know 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:08.720 to be successful, I sat down, I have people that 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:11.000 I work with. From a stat side, I know for 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:15.679 me to be successful of fairways with a driver, I 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:17.800 know that's I'm going to be successful. I know if 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:20.520 I can gain strokes from four to eight feet putting, 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:23.440 I'm gonna be successful. So it's little things like that 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:25.919 I have throughout the bag. I have iron play, I 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:28.040 have wedge play, I have short game, I have the 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.439 putting from forty eight ft. And the driving is a 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:32.320 big one for me. If I can hit sixty percent 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:34.360 of my fairways, that's gonna be a big deal. If 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:37.159 I can hit with a driver, I'm gonna be very, 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:40.560 very successful. So, UM, it's similar to that. There's obviously 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:42.560 a lot that goes into it. And then through each goal, 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:44.560 I have a process how do I achieve that? How 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:46.440 do I do that in practice? How do I how 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:48.679 do I get better at that? Um? And then obviously 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:51.199 that's a process. I sit down with my coaches, we 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:53.920 go over it. They have to hold me accountable as well. UM. 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:55.919 So it is a it is a big process. But 0:17:56.359 --> 0:18:00.160 I feel like each year it changes. Each year something different, um. 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.480 But this year it's a lot focused on driving and 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:06.200 and putting. From you mentioned your coaches, two of which 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:09.000 have been on the podcast before. We'll start with Phil Kenyon. Um. 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:11.199 I think I've had Phil on the podcast before. I 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:14.840 think Phil Um, I think he's as good as there 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:17.520 is when it comes to putting. I like his approach. 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:21.360