Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Buch podcast. We come to
Speaker 1: you every Wednesday. This guest the two thousand and nineteen
Speaker 1: U S Open champion Gary Woodland Um, one of the
Speaker 1: longest hitters in the game. Gary's a friend I've I've
Speaker 1: worked with him before, played been in a ton of
Speaker 1: practice rounds with him. He works with my dad. UM,
Speaker 1: he's one of my favorite people on tour. So really
Speaker 1: really really excited to talk to Gary and UM he's
Speaker 1: got a unique story and I think people are going
Speaker 1: to be surprised um by Um the way he thinks
Speaker 1: and the way he thinks about golf. Um, he's just
Speaker 1: kind of thought of his guy that hits golf ball
Speaker 1: a long way. But I can promise you and there's
Speaker 1: a lot more to him. But before we get to that,
Speaker 1: this episode is being brought to you by Cobra Puma Golf. UM.
Speaker 1: If you've listened to the pod, you know that I'm
Speaker 1: a huge fan of the Cobra Puma brand. I've been
Speaker 1: with them for a number of years now. I'm excited
Speaker 1: that they are not only back as a partner of
Speaker 1: the pod, but also teaming up with me to bring
Speaker 1: some of their ambassadors on his guests, and we're starting
Speaker 1: with Gary Woodland. Um. You'll hear us talk about the
Speaker 1: relationship and you know his kind of philosophy behind UM
Speaker 1: his equipment made a big change to move to Cobra
Speaker 1: this year. They have three new drivers out, the Cobra Aerojet. UM.
Speaker 1: I put it in the bag, Um, I love it.
Speaker 1: I think it performs really well. There's three models. There's
Speaker 1: the Aerojet which is the low spin, high launch, the
Speaker 1: Aerojet l S which is the low spin and low launch,
Speaker 1: and then the most forgiving driver in the line, the
Speaker 1: Aerojet Max. That's going to kind of give you a
Speaker 1: blend of everything and give you a lot of forgiveness.
Speaker 1: Everybody that I teach is always asking to try and
Speaker 1: get hit the ball further. They want to hit it further,
Speaker 1: they want more speed, they want more power, and that's
Speaker 1: something the arrow Jet driver delivers. And a few of
Speaker 1: the new features behind that are the p w R
Speaker 1: Bridge waiting. What is that. Well, they positioned the wait
Speaker 1: forward and they fully suspended this pw R bridge weight
Speaker 1: design right in the front and it allows for more
Speaker 1: flexibility in the face and the soul, and that's going
Speaker 1: to give you faster ball speeds. They've got advanced aerodynamics. UM.
Speaker 1: Everybody's trying to move the golf club faster, and the
Speaker 1: way the golf club is designed UM has a huge,
Speaker 1: huge part of that, and I think that's where Cobra
Speaker 1: is really kind of at the forefront in their aerodynamics UM,
Speaker 1: because everybody's trying to get faster club head speeds and
Speaker 1: everybody wants to hit the golf ball further. And then
Speaker 1: the PowerShell hot face that's going to help the face
Speaker 1: and the golf ball across wherever you hit it, UM,
Speaker 1: if you hit it off the toe, if you hit
Speaker 1: it in the middle, if you hit it off the heel.
Speaker 1: They've done a great job with the new power shell
Speaker 1: to to have the miss hits go further. And that's
Speaker 1: what everybody's trying to do with their driver. UM. If
Speaker 1: you miss it, you want the miss to stay and play,
Speaker 1: and you want to miss to still go a long way.
Speaker 1: You can learn more and check out the erage at
Speaker 1: drivers at Cobra golf dot com. Pre Orders are open
Speaker 1: today and all three drivers are available for purchase on
Speaker 1: February tent so huge, huge thanks to the Cobra Puma team.
Speaker 1: UM they're great partners, and um, check out the new drivers.
Speaker 1: I think everyone is going to be excited about them.
Speaker 1: And so let's get to the interview with Gary Woodland
Speaker 1: G dub your fifteen year on the PGA tour. I
Speaker 1: mean that that's just crazy, isn't it. Well? I feel it.
Speaker 1: I feel I feel like I've been out there for
Speaker 1: a hundred so, um, it is crazy to think back
Speaker 1: when I mean, when I came out, you know, you're
Speaker 1: looking up to these other guys, like, man, these guys
Speaker 1: have been out here a long time, and now it's
Speaker 1: like I am that old guy. I'm the guy that's
Speaker 1: been out here a long time. So um, it's cool though,
Speaker 1: you know, I've learned a lot, but it's uh, it's
Speaker 1: been a good ride for sure. So any time you
Speaker 1: start a new year, I mean, you have no idea
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. You made the choice. Um, a lot
Speaker 1: of guys do this equipment change this year, switching from
Speaker 1: Wilson to cobra Um. Obviously there's a lot that goes
Speaker 1: into that. For everyone listening. I think sometimes everybody just
Speaker 1: thinks that the money play. You know, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: take the money. I'm gonna cash out and make a change.
Speaker 1: But we've seen that work UM in reverse sometimes, and
Speaker 1: I know for most of the players there's a lot
Speaker 1: more into it than than just the money grab aspect
Speaker 1: of it. That a lot of people think, what was
Speaker 1: the decision and what was behind the decision to make
Speaker 1: this change UM to Cobra. Yeah, I've I've done the
Speaker 1: money grab before. Like I said, I've been out here
Speaker 1: fifteen years. I've done that a couple of times, probably
Speaker 1: throughout my career. And UM. I was very happy with Wilson.
Speaker 1: The people there UM were amazing. Obviously. I have great
Speaker 1: relationships with them, and I never thought i'd leave UM.
Speaker 1: And to be honest with you, I had flexibility with
Speaker 1: my woods in the past. I started playing some Cobra
Speaker 1: Woods at the end of the year and I fell
Speaker 1: in love with him. And I obviously have a relationship
Speaker 1: with Puma, who owns Cobra. I've been with Puma, you know,
Speaker 1: really since two thousand and eighteen, UM, so I have
Speaker 1: a close relationship with them as well, and it it
Speaker 1: kind of just went off from there. Ben who's the
Speaker 1: tour rep, who I think is absolutely amazing. I trust
Speaker 1: him to death. UM He's helped me in the past,
Speaker 1: even when it wasn't Cobra stuff. He's helped me with
Speaker 1: my stuff. So I trust him and I have a
Speaker 1: lot of respect. And that's just where it started to grow.
Speaker 1: And then I started, you know, I hitting the irons,
Speaker 1: I tested the wedges, I tested the potter, I've tested
Speaker 1: it all and it it just it just felt right,
Speaker 1: um in the woods. Like I said, you know, I
Speaker 1: led driving distance last week. I didn't play well, but
Speaker 1: I led driving this. That's the first time I've done
Speaker 1: that a long time. Um. So the stuff is just
Speaker 1: really really good, and it's something that I feel like
Speaker 1: will allow me to get back to where I want
Speaker 1: to be and play the way I want to play.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Ben Showman. He builds all the clubs for
Speaker 1: for Cobra. That relationship that that you guys have on
Speaker 1: the PGA tour, I mean the guy does it build
Speaker 1: your equipment. I mean it's a it's they are the
Speaker 1: pit crew of of your Formula One race car, right,
Speaker 1: I mean you have to have a great relationship with them. Um.
Speaker 1: You also did for as long as you hit it,
Speaker 1: you're you've got very very interesting launch conditions. Um, you
Speaker 1: hit down on your driver way more than the majority
Speaker 1: of the guys out there. So somebody like a Rory McElroy,
Speaker 1: I mean, you couldn't be any further away from the
Speaker 1: launch conditions that Rory has. Where Rory's hitting up on it,
Speaker 1: he's launching it high. You've always tended to have a
Speaker 1: lot of that hit down on it. Um. The process
Speaker 1: to get you in a driver, UM, talk to me
Speaker 1: about that whole, from the beginning to the end. What
Speaker 1: is that procesct? I think everybody listening will be fascinated
Speaker 1: to hear what goes into that. UM. It's a lot
Speaker 1: of trial and error, and that's where I think that
Speaker 1: trust between the guys building your clubs and making it
Speaker 1: really does come into play. There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 1: That's that's a good point. And you throw on top
Speaker 1: of that is I know hardly anything about golf clubs,
Speaker 1: so that that doesn't help you. Know, you talk about
Speaker 1: like guys that Ricky Fowler, who I think no more
Speaker 1: than anyone. I think he is very knowledgeable about his equipment.
Speaker 1: And I think that's one great thing about Cobra as
Speaker 1: You've got Ricky in there helping with stuff. I think
Speaker 1: Jason Duffner's very knowledge about stuff, and then you got
Speaker 1: Bryson on top of that, who is obviously very knowledge
Speaker 1: about equipment and and everything he talks about. But you
Speaker 1: throw that in there. Ben has a lot to deal with,
Speaker 1: and you throw the R and D team in there. Um,
Speaker 1: so you fast forward back to me. I like stuff
Speaker 1: really heavy too, so limits a lot of this stuff
Speaker 1: that I can test. I I have a lot of lag,
Speaker 1: I have a lot of downcock. I like that heavy
Speaker 1: club so I can feel it at the top. I
Speaker 1: want to be able to feel that in my transition,
Speaker 1: so that eliminates a lot of chefts that I can test. Um. Ben,
Speaker 1: obviously it's been around a long time. He's dealt with
Speaker 1: these guys who have a lot of questions. I've kind
Speaker 1: of been the guy that they just throw stuff in
Speaker 1: front of me and I swing and hit it, um
Speaker 1: and hope it works out. Ben's helped me kind of
Speaker 1: understand what I'm trying to do. I'm so now I'm
Speaker 1: now I'm starting asking questions, Hey, what about this shaft?
Speaker 1: What do you think about if we tip this a
Speaker 1: little more, a little less because it is nice to
Speaker 1: send it right, I'll like we all like to send it.
Speaker 1: But for me, I like to have that little fairway finder.
Speaker 1: I like to tee it down really low and just
Speaker 1: kind of get out the very similar you know Tiger
Speaker 1: used to the back in the day. DJ does it
Speaker 1: now phenomenal, Tie it down low, get the golf ball
Speaker 1: and play and let the rest of my game take over.
Speaker 1: I need two conditions really for a driver. I need
Speaker 1: one that I can send high and I need it
Speaker 1: to t low. So that's where you start messing with
Speaker 1: tipping in the shaft um changing the loft. The one
Speaker 1: great thing about the arrow jet driver with Cobra is
Speaker 1: I'm able to go up in loft, which I'm usually
Speaker 1: a very low loft driver. I'm usually around six and
Speaker 1: a half seven degrees. I'm up over eight degrees a
Speaker 1: loft right now. That only helps me with dispersion with
Speaker 1: my misses. So it's been I've learned a lot more
Speaker 1: in the last couple of months, and I haven't a
Speaker 1: long time about golf clubs, but it has been a process.
Speaker 1: I did change shafts last tweak um to a lighter
Speaker 1: shaft that I haven't played in a long time, but
Speaker 1: we were working with tipping. We've tried different stuff, um,
Speaker 1: and I credit been for that, and obviously you've got
Speaker 1: track Man and all these other technology quads and all
Speaker 1: this stuff out there that helps. But it is trial
Speaker 1: and error, and then you get it on the range,
Speaker 1: you gotta get it on the golf course, and once
Speaker 1: you get it on the golf course, you gotta put
Speaker 1: it in competition. So it is a process. But I
Speaker 1: feel like we're getting towards the end of that and
Speaker 1: everything's getting down in where we want it, which is nice.
Speaker 1: I think one of the big differences get between what
Speaker 1: you guys do on the tour level and what the
Speaker 1: average golfer. I consider everybody that's not on the PGA
Speaker 1: Tour playing competitive and average golfer. So there's you guys
Speaker 1: and then there's the rest of us. I think the
Speaker 1: average golfer goes into fittings and they're they're looking to
Speaker 1: try and improve their good shots, whereas all the fitting
Speaker 1: that you guys do specifically on tour g dub with
Speaker 1: the driver. Um, it's about fitting for the miss. It's
Speaker 1: about giving you a golf club that you can keep
Speaker 1: on the golf course and the miss and that's one
Speaker 1: of the things that that we always go right. Well,
Speaker 1: you say, when you're watching you guys hit balls and
Speaker 1: you're getting fit, or when you're working in your swing,
Speaker 1: you'll you'll hear you guys, or or someone like me
Speaker 1: or the fitter, say hey, if that's the miss then
Speaker 1: then we're gonna be in a pretty good place. There's
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. And you look at you look
Speaker 1: at my game how I transition. When I came out
Speaker 1: on tour fifteen years ago, I was one, if not
Speaker 1: the longest guy out there at the time. You're fast
Speaker 1: forward now, at that time, I hit it a long way.
Speaker 1: I had no idea where it was going, but I
Speaker 1: hit it a mile. I had to learn. Everybody, now,
Speaker 1: once you see me hit stingers, that's all they want
Speaker 1: to see. Hit the stinger. Hit the stinger, put the
Speaker 1: driver away, hit the singer. Well, I had that. I
Speaker 1: had to learn that shot so I could get the
Speaker 1: golf ball and play. That's and that's where you're talking
Speaker 1: about the misses. Even when the driver was all over
Speaker 1: the place, I had to have something to get the
Speaker 1: golf ball and play. And that's where that stinger came about.
Speaker 1: So the misses is a huge part of it. I'm
Speaker 1: a usually typically a higher spin guy than a lot
Speaker 1: of guys with the driver, because if I want that
Speaker 1: ball to land in the fairway, I don't want to
Speaker 1: bounce and I wanted to stay in the fairway. UM,
Speaker 1: So typically I like a little little higher spin which
Speaker 1: keeps that dispersion a little tighter. As well. You mentioned
Speaker 1: Dustin Johnson. You play a lot with DJ. He's one
Speaker 1: of your boys. I mean the differences you said about
Speaker 1: the weight of your golf clubs because of the way
Speaker 1: that you swing. UM. You pick up your driver versus
Speaker 1: DJ's driver, and I mean yours feels like a sledgehammer
Speaker 1: compared to what people would think his driver would feel like.
Speaker 1: It's six four long arms, long legs with the same
Speaker 1: type of speed that that he has and you have. UM.
Speaker 1: The shaft is a huge part of when you're switching
Speaker 1: golf clubs, getting that shaft to match what the head
Speaker 1: is doing and when you find that combo UM the optimal.
Speaker 1: I mean, give us an example, what do you want
Speaker 1: to see the driver spinning at? What do you want
Speaker 1: to see it launching at? UM the work that you
Speaker 1: and Ben do UM with the Cobra team, what do
Speaker 1: you want those numbers kind of the sweet spot for
Speaker 1: you right now. Yeah, I'm with spin which I think
Speaker 1: is high um and I like it launching over ten.
Speaker 1: I used to launch it a lot lower than that.
Speaker 1: The Cobra drive, ever, has allowed me to launch it
Speaker 1: a little higher at that spin. It usually took me
Speaker 1: launching it around nine to get the lower to get
Speaker 1: the spin down to where I wanted it. So I'm
Speaker 1: launching a little over ten um. I can get it
Speaker 1: to eleven sometimes and that spin. And you talk about DJ,
Speaker 1: I mean, DJ and I play a lot of golf together.
Speaker 1: I can't hit his driver, he can't hit mine. And
Speaker 1: that's the funny thing is our ball flights. We both
Speaker 1: like to play cuts. We both hit similar shots, but
Speaker 1: it's just the way we go about it's completely different.
Speaker 1: And I mean, to me, everybody talks about people driving
Speaker 1: the golf ball. I think he's one of the best
Speaker 1: that's ever done it. It is fascinating to watch him
Speaker 1: hit driver on holes that you know, maybe don't set
Speaker 1: up for it, and he just has the confidence that
Speaker 1: to hit that little butter cut out there, and it's
Speaker 1: it's super impressive. You know. It's interesting that I don't
Speaker 1: think everyone listening realizes that you can pick up DJ's
Speaker 1: driver and can't hit it, and he can pick up
Speaker 1: your driver and can't hit I don't think everyone listening
Speaker 1: realizes how specific and different the equipment is. For for
Speaker 1: you guys, Um you mentioned that that four kind of hundred.
Speaker 1: I mean just for everyone listening. You know, DJ his
Speaker 1: sweet spot is anywhere between two thousand two hundred with
Speaker 1: the spin. If he starts spinning it in the range
Speaker 1: that you're trying to spin it now, he's going to
Speaker 1: hit it all over the planet. Um, confidence was you
Speaker 1: know when you put a new driver in, when you
Speaker 1: put new equipment in, is it hard on the golf
Speaker 1: course if you go out, like you said last week,
Speaker 1: you drove it, you lead in driving distance and you
Speaker 1: didn't play good. I mean there's always that tendency. I
Speaker 1: think when any golfer puts new equipment in their bag,
Speaker 1: it's it's how hard is it not to just go, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: it's the equipment. It's not me, because that's an easy one,
Speaker 1: right because in your brain you're like, Okay, didn't I'm
Speaker 1: making some changes. I'm not shooting the scores I want.
Speaker 1: It's got to be the equipment. You guys are all
Speaker 1: the same. It's never. It's never. It's never, you guys,
Speaker 1: it's never. I mean, it's gotta be the equipment, the caddy.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's got to be something. But you know,
Speaker 1: for me with the equipment is I'm pretty comfortab well.
Speaker 1: From the standpoint I put the driver and played before
Speaker 1: before I had signed with Cobra, So I've been playing
Speaker 1: the driver for a couple of months now. I'm very
Speaker 1: confident with it. And for me when it comes to driving,
Speaker 1: last week I did not play well like we talked about,
Speaker 1: but I was eight and driving first and distance. For
Speaker 1: me to play well and for me to be successful,
Speaker 1: I had to drive the golf ball well, and that's
Speaker 1: where I struggled. The last couple of years. I have
Speaker 1: not driven the golf ball like I want to. So
Speaker 1: that was a huge step for me. That's a huge
Speaker 1: confidence boost for me going forward. I have some other
Speaker 1: things obviously I need to tighten up, but the driving,
Speaker 1: for me, if I can drive the golf ball like that,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get and play the way I want to
Speaker 1: be and get to where I want to be. So um,
Speaker 1: that was a that was a positive from last week
Speaker 1: from a from a not playing well weak g W
Speaker 1: A goals guide. You do you have goals in your head?
Speaker 1: Do you write goals down? I remember Brooks telling me
Speaker 1: he would always kind of go to the beach at
Speaker 1: the end of of a year, at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the year and just go down by himself one morning
Speaker 1: and take a notebook or piece of paper and he'd
Speaker 1: write down his goals. I mean a t um Justin
Speaker 1: Thomas has been great, I think on social media, putting
Speaker 1: out like the notes that he has in his phones
Speaker 1: of what his goals are. Are you one of those
Speaker 1: type of players or do you just kind of just say, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just gonna try and you know, see
Speaker 1: what happens this year. I'm a very visual person, so
Speaker 1: I do have goals. I do have written down, and
Speaker 1: I do look at them. I have them in my
Speaker 1: bathroom mirror, so I see them on a daily basis,
Speaker 1: and for me that's just a reminder, right that puts
Speaker 1: things in perspective, especially weeks last like like last week,
Speaker 1: when I don't play well, you're frustrated, to get mad,
Speaker 1: you get home, I look at the mirror and I see, okay,
Speaker 1: this is what I have to do to be successful.
Speaker 1: I have the goals. I had the process to achieve
Speaker 1: those goals. Now let's let's reset, Let's find the positives
Speaker 1: from last week. We'll take the driving that was a positive,
Speaker 1: and let's move on and let's go get better for
Speaker 1: next week. It's hard sometimes if I don't have goals
Speaker 1: and I start playing bad like I did last week,
Speaker 1: I can start dwelling on that, and then it festers
Speaker 1: into not playing well to three weeks in a row,
Speaker 1: and then it turns into a bad year. So I'm
Speaker 1: a very goal oriented, very visual person. I need to
Speaker 1: see them. I have them on my phone as well,
Speaker 1: and I can scroll through if I don't have it
Speaker 1: up on my mirror when I'm traveling. Um, but yes,
Speaker 1: I need to see those on a on a daily basis.
Speaker 1: Any uh, any sharing on what any of the goals are.
Speaker 1: You don't have to give us the big ones, but
Speaker 1: give us just a not a I think goals and
Speaker 1: the reason why I say that, I think goals are
Speaker 1: really really specific to players, and I think you know
Speaker 1: I've asked. I've I've known Brooks for over a decade now,
Speaker 1: and I've asked him sometimes what his goals are He'll
Speaker 1: tell me some of the other ones. But he said
Speaker 1: to me before, Hey, my goals are kind of you know,
Speaker 1: they're sacred to me. But are there any like ones
Speaker 1: that you'd be willing to share with us? From a
Speaker 1: game standpoint, you know things that you want to try
Speaker 1: and truth. Are you looking at where you are in
Speaker 1: strokes gained putting? Um? Are you looking at greens and regulation?
Speaker 1: What are some of the things that you're looking in
Speaker 1: to try and change. Yeah, I mean, obviously have goals
Speaker 1: from a personal standpoint and how I want to operate
Speaker 1: my team and whatever in my life and personal But
Speaker 1: from a golf standpoint and performance standpoint, I mean obviously
Speaker 1: Tour championship, obviously Ryder Cup, etceter or stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I'm not huge on performance side because I think if
Speaker 1: I play well and take care of myself, all that
Speaker 1: stuff takes care of itself. But for me, I know
Speaker 1: to be successful, I sat down, I have people that
Speaker 1: I work with. From a stat side, I know for
Speaker 1: me to be successful of fairways with a driver, I
Speaker 1: know that's I'm going to be successful. I know if
Speaker 1: I can gain strokes from four to eight feet putting,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be successful. So it's little things like that
Speaker 1: I have throughout the bag. I have iron play, I
Speaker 1: have wedge play, I have short game, I have the
Speaker 1: putting from forty eight ft. And the driving is a
Speaker 1: big one for me. If I can hit sixty percent
Speaker 1: of my fairways, that's gonna be a big deal. If
Speaker 1: I can hit with a driver, I'm gonna be very,
Speaker 1: very successful. So, UM, it's similar to that. There's obviously
Speaker 1: a lot that goes into it. And then through each goal,
Speaker 1: I have a process how do I achieve that? How
Speaker 1: do I do that in practice? How do I how
Speaker 1: do I get better at that? Um? And then obviously
Speaker 1: that's a process. I sit down with my coaches, we
Speaker 1: go over it. They have to hold me accountable as well. UM.
Speaker 1: So it is a it is a big process. But
Speaker 1: I feel like each year it changes. Each year something different, um.
Speaker 1: But this year it's a lot focused on driving and
Speaker 1: and putting. From you mentioned your coaches, two of which
Speaker 1: have been on the podcast before. We'll start with Phil Kenyon. Um.
Speaker 1: I think I've had Phil on the podcast before. I
Speaker 1: think Phil Um, I think he's as good as there
Speaker 1: is when it comes to putting. I like his approach.
Speaker 1: What have you done with Phil and how has he
Speaker 1: helped you? How has he maybe changed your approach? And
Speaker 1: and what is the work that you've done, um, and
Speaker 1: what is the work you are doing with your putting
Speaker 1: to try and and and help you achieve those goals
Speaker 1: that you're trying to achieve. Yeah, Phil and I started
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eighteen. Um, I We're playing Carnousti
Speaker 1: British Open. It was Saturday round. I hit sixteen seventeen greens.
Speaker 1: I shot over par like I hit it unbelievable and
Speaker 1: I was losing my mind. Steinberg is my agent. He
Speaker 1: was there when I'm scoring. He's like, you gotta sit
Speaker 1: right here. You gotta work with Phil Kenny. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't even I didn't even know Phil. I mean,
Speaker 1: I knew who he was, but I don't know him.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, he tells a funny story because Steiny
Speaker 1: calls him and he answers the phone, and Steiny never
Speaker 1: calls Phil right, he never reaches out. And he thought
Speaker 1: he was gonna get fired because he works with Justin
Speaker 1: Rose as well. He thought I could one guarantee you
Speaker 1: that when when when Phil kenyons looking his phone and
Speaker 1: it says Mark Steinberg coming up. He's thinking, I'm about
Speaker 1: to get rinse from Justin Rose. I know it. I
Speaker 1: know it, and he answers it and you know, and
Speaker 1: he's like, I need you on the Pudding Green right now.
Speaker 1: And so he comes over there and he's like, I
Speaker 1: need you to work with Gary and it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: you know, it's Saturday of a major championship too. I mean,
Speaker 1: and not only he's working with Francesco's leading. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's there's obviously a lot goes into the story, but
Speaker 1: the one thing that he did with me is he
Speaker 1: had the benefit I had worked with Pete Cowen, I
Speaker 1: had worked with He obviously had talked to Steiny, he
Speaker 1: had talked to my cad he Butchy who he knew,
Speaker 1: and they told him not to give me too much information.
Speaker 1: And I think that was a huge start. And you
Speaker 1: know we've worked together. You know, I just don't do
Speaker 1: well if I have too much. And Phil Kenyon he
Speaker 1: knows more than anyone I think when it comes to putting,
Speaker 1: so he has all that knowledge. So he started with
Speaker 1: me so slow, and we started bit by bit, changing
Speaker 1: little things at a time. We do something for a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, we'd come back and work on something new.
Speaker 1: And it was a relationship that was was different because
Speaker 1: I didn't know him, like I said, when I went
Speaker 1: in and you know, like before you and I, before
Speaker 1: your dad, whoever, I've known these guys before I started
Speaker 1: working with him. I didn't know Phil and I just
Speaker 1: kind of thought he was was a golf dork or
Speaker 1: whatever you want to say. And we're on fast forward.
Speaker 1: The next year, Augusta were on the pudding Green on
Speaker 1: Tuesday and I didn't feel good with my putting and
Speaker 1: I I can get pretty quiet, and I can get
Speaker 1: pretty defensive and pretty angry. Sometimes it's always it's when
Speaker 1: I when I get in that mood, I'm in that mood.
Speaker 1: And I was in that mood on Tuesday, and it
Speaker 1: was I was frustrated and I said something about, yeah,
Speaker 1: don't know what I said, and he started. He started
Speaker 1: mother f and me on the putting green and this
Speaker 1: is at a gust and it was on Tuesday, and
Speaker 1: I sit there and I'm like, since that day, since
Speaker 1: that conversation, my relationship with him has completely changed. Now.
Speaker 1: I love the guy to death. I respect the heck
Speaker 1: out of him, but I needed him to put me
Speaker 1: in my place and he did that. And you know,
Speaker 1: fast forward two months later, I win the US Open.
Speaker 1: I finished I don't know what I finished at a guest.
Speaker 1: I've finished top ten at the p g A the
Speaker 1: next month, and then I win the month after that.
Speaker 1: It changed everything with me and him, and uh, he's
Speaker 1: one of my my closest friends now. Respect the heck
Speaker 1: out of my talk to him on a daily basis
Speaker 1: just about putting and even like weeks when I don't
Speaker 1: put well, it's he takes it personally, you know, Like
Speaker 1: we had a long talk yesterday because I putted a
Speaker 1: horrendous last week. And I love that about him. Um,
Speaker 1: he's he's fully invested. We've done a lot. We've changed
Speaker 1: the way I read greens. We've changed the way but
Speaker 1: my stroke completely. But when I set up the grip um,
Speaker 1: but it's been a process. It's been four years, five
Speaker 1: years and the aching um and uh, yeah, I love
Speaker 1: the guy to death. You mentioned um you're the coach.
Speaker 1: Uh my dad, butch Armond, I mean you've gone, You've
Speaker 1: gone back and forth with Butche, You're back in with Butchy. Um.
Speaker 1: I'm always fascinated because obviously you and I both know
Speaker 1: I have I have a very different relationship with my
Speaker 1: dad than the tour players have. Um. He says nice
Speaker 1: things to you guys and patch you on the backs
Speaker 1: and tells you guys how great you are, which is
Speaker 1: the opposite of my relationship with him for a long time.
Speaker 1: What is it? I mean? I think, I know I
Speaker 1: have my opinion, but the guys that work with my
Speaker 1: dad that that that he plays such a big role
Speaker 1: in their lives. What do you think makes my dad
Speaker 1: butch Armon such a great coach? I first of all,
Speaker 1: I think I'm starting to get more like family because
Speaker 1: I haven't played great and he's starting to get after
Speaker 1: me a little bit more. The compliments are starting to
Speaker 1: dwindle a little bit. Mike, I missed the cut. I
Speaker 1: don't where it was a couple of months ago, and Butch,
Speaker 1: my caddie and I fly out there and we land
Speaker 1: your dad standing on the range and we're getting out
Speaker 1: of the rental car and he goes, oh good, we
Speaker 1: got one good golfer here and Gary here. So I'm
Speaker 1: starting to get the needlings starting to come back. Um,
Speaker 1: but I'll tell you what there's a million good coaches
Speaker 1: out there, teachers in the world, but there's just something
Speaker 1: different about your dad. Man. He he has a way
Speaker 1: of one making you feel good and making you feel
Speaker 1: right at the right time. And he can obviously need
Speaker 1: on me, like you know, when I get out of
Speaker 1: the car or whatever, but we'll start getting in and
Speaker 1: and doing our work. And when you leave there, no
Speaker 1: matter how you're playing or how you're hitting, he makes
Speaker 1: you feel like you're the best player in the world.
Speaker 1: And I've told this story before when I was working
Speaker 1: with him. I don't know how long ago is. DJ
Speaker 1: was on the range, Ricky and then me, So this
Speaker 1: was a while ago. And I'm sitting there hitting balls.
Speaker 1: We're getting ready before a round, and I hear him
Speaker 1: talking to DJ and you know, he's just pumping DJ
Speaker 1: up before he goes and plays. And I'm sitting there.
Speaker 1: I'm getting kind of mad because he's, you know, he's
Speaker 1: it's a competitor, right, And then he comes down to
Speaker 1: Ricky and he's Ricky's he's telling Ricky how good he is.
Speaker 1: And now I'm over here and I'm just fuming and
Speaker 1: hitting golf balls, and he comes and talks to me last,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I get done. I'm like, God,
Speaker 1: I'm the best golfer in the world. Like, he just
Speaker 1: has that knack to say the right things at the
Speaker 1: right time. And you know, I've talked to Te Dubbs
Speaker 1: and people about him, and it's like there's nobody that
Speaker 1: says the right thing and gets you prepared to the
Speaker 1: right thing, whether whether you go work with him or not.
Speaker 1: He just knows how to do that. He's just been
Speaker 1: around the game a million a million years, and he's
Speaker 1: been around a million million players. But he just has it.
Speaker 1: He keeps it simple for me. I say, him and
Speaker 1: I get along so well because neither one of us
Speaker 1: are very smart and we speak the same language. Um,
Speaker 1: he keeps it simple for me. And you know he
Speaker 1: loves to to needle, which is uh. I enjoy that
Speaker 1: part of it, the bullshit part of it. So UM,
Speaker 1: I'd say he's a friend. He's a psychologist, he's a
Speaker 1: swing coach, he's everything in between. Um. But he's he's
Speaker 1: been a huge factor and definitely the reason where I
Speaker 1: am where I am today. I think. I mean, obviously,
Speaker 1: for people that know my dad or don't know my dad,
Speaker 1: he has a very big persona right, I mean he
Speaker 1: is a he is in an immensely confident um borderline.
Speaker 1: At times, can be you know, arrogant, which I think
Speaker 1: is one of the reasons why he's been successful. But um,
Speaker 1: and he can be really brash um the language he uses.
Speaker 1: But what I always find very interesting with people like
Speaker 1: yourself that end up working with him and then he
Speaker 1: becomes a part of their life is I don't think
Speaker 1: people are prepared for how much he cares about his players.
Speaker 1: Um and I honestly, and and it's it's been one
Speaker 1: of the things over the course of my life, Gary,
Speaker 1: that's been tough for me because you know, you and
Speaker 1: I have been friends a long time, we've worked together.
Speaker 1: I mean I have I have not had at times
Speaker 1: a great relationship with my dad. It's been tough. We're
Speaker 1: in a great place now and I love the guy
Speaker 1: to death, but it's been hard for me to watch
Speaker 1: him at times, you know, pump you guys up and
Speaker 1: be and know everything about your lives and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But I I do think people are are surprised at
Speaker 1: how much he does care, how meant, how how he
Speaker 1: knows what you're doing. He watches every shot. He watches
Speaker 1: every stat and I don't think a lot of people
Speaker 1: are prepared for that level of I guess intimacy because
Speaker 1: you don't think you're gonna get that from him. There's
Speaker 1: no doubt and for seventy nine years old that he
Speaker 1: is right now. He's as invested now as he was
Speaker 1: when we started in the beginning of two thousand twelve. Um.
Speaker 1: And we've been on and off a couple of times,
Speaker 1: but I always come back, you know, you always think
Speaker 1: the grass is greener on the other side. He just
Speaker 1: has a way for me, I think, and I honestly
Speaker 1: think it's more from a psychological standpoint than it is
Speaker 1: a physical standpoint. Obviously, there's a million great teachers in
Speaker 1: the world, but he throws in just a psychological standpoint
Speaker 1: that makes you feel like you're great. Um. You look
Speaker 1: at Ricky coming back recently and how well Ricky has
Speaker 1: been hitting it. That's a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: psychological work comes from that. There's just a confidence boost
Speaker 1: knowing maybe it's the guys that he's worked with and
Speaker 1: the guys that have one major championships. Maybe that's the
Speaker 1: confidence boost. I don't know what it is, but I
Speaker 1: tell you what. When I started in two thousand and twelve,
Speaker 1: there's nothing I wanted more than to put a flag
Speaker 1: on that wall as a major champion. And I've been
Speaker 1: able to do that, and that was, Uh, that was
Speaker 1: one of the most important things to me because I've
Speaker 1: been in there. I've hit a million golf balls. When
Speaker 1: we started, I was spending fifty nights a year in
Speaker 1: Vegas for years, and it hitting balls in that bay
Speaker 1: there and just seeing all these guys that have one
Speaker 1: and he likes to throw that needle out there too
Speaker 1: and talk about all that stuff. And um, that's just
Speaker 1: something now that you know that will be up there
Speaker 1: and can't go down. So um uh. I love him
Speaker 1: to death. He is hard there. There are times you know,
Speaker 1: he he'd love to help you out. He'd love to
Speaker 1: help you out. I mean, I walked in last time.
Speaker 1: I missed the cutting Sonny open a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: and I flew straight to Vegas and you know, we
Speaker 1: go have lunch, We sit down for lunch and we've
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, we've been there. I've been
Speaker 1: there since two thousand twelve. We ordered the same thing,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if we even want of us
Speaker 1: have to order. They know our order. When we sit
Speaker 1: down and he's like, what the hell happened last week?
Speaker 1: You know, and he's you know, he starts going in.
Speaker 1: He's like, that's not what I was expecting. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I wasn't expected it either. We kind of figure this
Speaker 1: ship out. Um. But and then he, you know, like
Speaker 1: I said, then I goes to here and golf balls
Speaker 1: and he has me believing I'm the best ball start
Speaker 1: on tour again. So it's it's an act. It's hard.
Speaker 1: You know. I've been around a lot of great coaches
Speaker 1: from another sports that have that same night. I've heard
Speaker 1: I've heard Bill self rip these players down to making
Speaker 1: them feel like they're the worst player in the world,
Speaker 1: and then ten minutes later they think they're the best
Speaker 1: basketball player in the world. And that's just what the
Speaker 1: greats have. And that's what your dad asked, UM. In
Speaker 1: an era where we are UM trying to have people
Speaker 1: think of golfers as athletes. I think they are and stuff,
Speaker 1: but you are actually unlike a lot of guys that
Speaker 1: played the page, you were actually a real athlete. You
Speaker 1: played competitive collegiant basketball. Um, what do you love about
Speaker 1: basketball and how is basketball g dub different from golf,
Speaker 1: because obviously they're both sports, they're both competitive. There's a
Speaker 1: number of similarities. But what do you think are the
Speaker 1: big differences between basketball and golf. You know, obviously you
Speaker 1: talk about the team aspect um. Well, on the PGA
Speaker 1: Tour part, we don't have the team aspect um. That's
Speaker 1: a big deal. Hey hey, broy Bro, we've got it.
Speaker 1: They've got it to live. You can still come. I
Speaker 1: missed the locker room part of basketball. The big difference
Speaker 1: from treating me and basketball and golf is basketball there
Speaker 1: was nothing like a game. I absolutely love the games.
Speaker 1: I hated practice, and you fast forward to golf. I
Speaker 1: love the practice. Um, I love to be out there.
Speaker 1: And I think that's probably ultimately besides being six ft
Speaker 1: and slow and all that, that's why I've ended up
Speaker 1: being more successful in golf is I love to practice.
Speaker 1: I love the competition, the game part of basketball. It's
Speaker 1: nothing like the lights, um, the bus rides with the
Speaker 1: guys needling, all that stuff. That's that was amazing. You
Speaker 1: can never take that away. But I learned a lot
Speaker 1: in basketball that I can transition to golf. From standpoint
Speaker 1: if I wasn't shooting it well, well, first of all,
Speaker 1: I was going to continue to shoot. But there were
Speaker 1: things I could do who in basketball to be successful.
Speaker 1: I could I could play defense, I could facilitate the basketball.
Speaker 1: I could do other things. And that's what I had
Speaker 1: to transition to golf. If I'm not driving the golf all, well,
Speaker 1: I have to find other aspects of my game. I
Speaker 1: have to bunnet down the fairway and use the other
Speaker 1: aspects of my game to be successful to get it
Speaker 1: to the next day. Um. Instead of just keep pounding driver,
Speaker 1: pounding driver and getting out of player or whatever it is,
Speaker 1: whatever aspect of my game, I have to learn to
Speaker 1: be successful in other aspects um and not just rely
Speaker 1: on one thing. And I learned that through basketball. I
Speaker 1: learned my work ethic being around these older guys and
Speaker 1: and watching how they work, how they take care of
Speaker 1: their bodies and treat their bodies. And when I when
Speaker 1: I went to Washburn, I was I was the only
Speaker 1: kid under under twenty one at the time. You know,
Speaker 1: they're all an ice pass and all this stuff, and
Speaker 1: I'm I get done in practice. I'm seventeen, eighteen years old,
Speaker 1: and I'm like you guys. You guys are losers. What
Speaker 1: are you doing? You know? And now now I'm the
Speaker 1: one in the ice path every day doing all my stuff. Um,
Speaker 1: but it was it was something I'll never take back.
Speaker 1: I'll never change that. I'm so glad I went and
Speaker 1: played basketball that when you're in college, because I learned
Speaker 1: so much from being around older guys, being around that
Speaker 1: team aspect Um, there's there's just nothing like it. So
Speaker 1: I'm glad I did it. But I've made the right
Speaker 1: choice in transitioning over to golf. For sure. You mentioned, um,
Speaker 1: you'd love to play basketball games, you didn't like to practice,
Speaker 1: you'd like to practice golf. Um do you think sometimes
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's hard for golfers to remember that
Speaker 1: golf is a game, that there is an art to
Speaker 1: playing golf, because I see so many players that are
Speaker 1: looking for me to help them with their golf, to
Speaker 1: try and get them to whatever next level that is,
Speaker 1: whether it's high school, college, the tours, whatever. Um do
Speaker 1: you think sometimes golfers get trapped into technique technique technique
Speaker 1: technique and you forget because obviously I thought it was
Speaker 1: really interesting what you said in basketball. If you're not
Speaker 1: shooting good, you're going to keep shooting. That's the opposite
Speaker 1: of what everybody does in golf. They're not playing good.
Speaker 1: They just want to get off the golf course and
Speaker 1: get to the range. Whereas when you're playing other competitive
Speaker 1: maybe team sports, you can't do that. You don't get
Speaker 1: to call time out and go practice. You have to
Speaker 1: keep playing. Talk to me Gary, the difference and how
Speaker 1: you manage the transition from technique and what you're doing
Speaker 1: on the driving range and then the actual playing of
Speaker 1: the game of golf. There's no doubt that technique gets
Speaker 1: to be too big. I was playing with Roy McElroy
Speaker 1: at c J Cup the week. I guess he won
Speaker 1: that week. Um, well, I guess he's been winning every
Speaker 1: week right now. But we're playing a practice on and
Speaker 1: we're just talking about our our past year so and
Speaker 1: and he said to me, and it's something that really
Speaker 1: hit home with me, is he's like, I was so
Speaker 1: focused on my technique at some point He's like, I
Speaker 1: just said, screw it, I'm just gonna see and go
Speaker 1: and it becomes reactive. And that's what sometimes when you're
Speaker 1: shooting a basketball and sometimes I'm not worried about this
Speaker 1: and this and this. I'm just seeing it and going.
Speaker 1: And you know, when you, like you said, you get
Speaker 1: off in golf and you you play bad, you go
Speaker 1: to the range and you're sitting there hitting golf balls
Speaker 1: for for three hours after the round because you're so
Speaker 1: so mad and so frustrated. I don't know if you're
Speaker 1: getting a lot out of that. A lot of times.
Speaker 1: And for me, I've been out here fifteen years. I
Speaker 1: played golf my whole life. At some point it has
Speaker 1: to be reactive. I hit it in the trees. I'm
Speaker 1: not over there thinking technique. I'm thinking about how I'm
Speaker 1: gonna hook this thing forty yards back into the fairway
Speaker 1: and it's an easy shot for me. And then I'm
Speaker 1: in the middle of the fairway and I'm thinking about
Speaker 1: this and this and this, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you know, you start playing bad and then you're you're
Speaker 1: thinking about more technique or you talk about being simple.
Speaker 1: I mean that's seeing and going is very simple. And
Speaker 1: that's that's one thing about having the right people around
Speaker 1: to you. I think that's why I miss your dad traveling,
Speaker 1: because Dad is so simple. Sometimes when I'm out there
Speaker 1: by myself, I start getting into two technical too much
Speaker 1: technique and UM and that, and I don't do well
Speaker 1: that way, you know, like I said earlier than when
Speaker 1: we were talking, I don't do well with a lot.
Speaker 1: I'm very, very simple person. I like to keep it simple,
Speaker 1: and I have struggled in the past, especially the last
Speaker 1: couple of years, of getting too technical with stuff. So
Speaker 1: there is a lot to that. I think the technique takes.
Speaker 1: You know, you have so much technology today, so many
Speaker 1: stats and everything out there. It's easy to get caught
Speaker 1: up in that instead of just going and putting a
Speaker 1: peg in the ground and putting the ball in the
Speaker 1: air and let's go play and see how how quick
Speaker 1: we can get it in the hall. You mentioned your
Speaker 1: win UM your first major championship at Pebble Beach in
Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen. I don't believe GW can win majors
Speaker 1: unless you can get out of the technique space, because,
Speaker 1: as you know, back nine on Sunday in a major championship,
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter what you've done previously. The shots
Speaker 1: are the shots, the situations or the situation, and there
Speaker 1: really isn't anything I don't think that can prepare you
Speaker 1: for that. Because was it different on Sunday um at
Speaker 1: Pebble Beach in nineteen when when you won your first major,
Speaker 1: temps was it was that experience different than you had
Speaker 1: envisioned what it would be in your brain because everybody
Speaker 1: has that thing, right you're you're a professional golfer. Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make this part to win a major. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make this part to win the Masters. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put myself in this position. How different was what you
Speaker 1: thought it was going to be coming down the stretch
Speaker 1: to try and win your first major championship versus what
Speaker 1: it actually was? Yeah, you know that was there was
Speaker 1: something different that week. I don't know, you asked my
Speaker 1: Caddy talks about all the time. He's like, I've just
Speaker 1: he's never seen me that calm. And I was playing
Speaker 1: extremely well going in and the two things happened. One
Speaker 1: the PGA Championship the year before at in St. Louis
Speaker 1: at Belle reve I was leading going into Saturday, I
Speaker 1: was leading, I was playing with b K and b
Speaker 1: K end up taking the lead, and I was the
Speaker 1: second and last group with Tiger On Sunday. Tiger shoots
Speaker 1: sixty four or whatever, his lowest round ever in a
Speaker 1: Sunday in a Major, and I I got so caught
Speaker 1: up as the first time I played with him on
Speaker 1: Sunday in a major. Obviously it was the atmosphere, the
Speaker 1: energy was absurd, but in the first seven holes, I
Speaker 1: was so caught up in what he was doing, and
Speaker 1: I did make a birdie finally birdie eight, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what am I doing here? I'm not I'm not a fan,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to fucking win, and so I was
Speaker 1: so sorry. I don't know if I can cuss. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that was bet or not. Sorry. I
Speaker 1: was so caught up in what he was doing. I
Speaker 1: got out of what I've done my whole life, and
Speaker 1: I learned so much for that day. And then you
Speaker 1: fast forward to MAUI of two thousand nineteen. I was leading.
Speaker 1: I had a three shot lead going into Sunday. I
Speaker 1: was I was playing with Roy, three shots over him.
Speaker 1: I was five shots over Xander. Xander bogie is the
Speaker 1: first hold. I have a six shot lead over him.
Speaker 1: I shoot five under without a bogey on Sunday and
Speaker 1: I lost. Sanders end up shooting the leven under to
Speaker 1: beat me, but I birdied eleven to go up by
Speaker 1: three or four or whatever it was, and I was
Speaker 1: playing phenomenal. I had to complete control of my game,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm teeing off on twelve and I'm like,
Speaker 1: this thing's over with. I'm I got this. And he
Speaker 1: ends up holding out on twelve and he eagles whatever
Speaker 1: hole and whatever he does, and he clips me by one,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I took a big second for me
Speaker 1: to read to reflect on that, and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: got out of my element on Sunday of a major
Speaker 1: championship playing with Tiger. I got ahead of myself playing
Speaker 1: was playing, you know, a tournament that I thought I
Speaker 1: had won and probably should have won. I got ahead
Speaker 1: of myself there. I was so into myself at Pebble
Speaker 1: Beach that year in two thousand nineteen. Nothing nothing bothered me.
Speaker 1: When things had, when something happened, I was still Brooks
Speaker 1: got off to an unbelievable start b K did on Sunday,
Speaker 1: Bertie for the first six or whatever it was. I
Speaker 1: was in control of myself because I'm like, here's the deal.
Speaker 1: I have a fur shot lead over Brooks. If I
Speaker 1: shoot two under, he has to shoot six under on
Speaker 1: Sunday at Pebble Beach. That's gonna be very hard for
Speaker 1: him to do. Not to mention I have I have
Speaker 1: part five's ahead of me. I had six and eighteen.
Speaker 1: So even when I was on seventeen, I'm sitting there like,
Speaker 1: if he makes ego, I still have a chance. I
Speaker 1: can get home and two easily. On eight team, I
Speaker 1: was just within myself so much that week, um. And
Speaker 1: you know, I'd like to find out what happened that
Speaker 1: week and why I was into myself that much and
Speaker 1: how everything I blocked everything out. But that is the difference.
Speaker 1: And you look at guys that are great, the Tigers
Speaker 1: and the DJs and whoever it is down the road, Rory,
Speaker 1: they just find ways to do that. Look at what
Speaker 1: Max Houm was doing right now. They find ways on
Speaker 1: Sunday to block every block out all the other noise. Um.
Speaker 1: And I was able to do that on the biggest stage.
Speaker 1: And that's something that I need to continue to enforce
Speaker 1: in my head that it's in there. Um, we just
Speaker 1: gotta get out of our way right now and do
Speaker 1: it so the obvious course, and for everyone listening and
Speaker 1: when I hear players saying that is how do you
Speaker 1: not get in that headspace more often? Do you feel
Speaker 1: like sometimes you can? You can want it too bad? Right?
Speaker 1: There's I remember I took a course in college. It
Speaker 1: was an Eastern philosophy of course, and there was a
Speaker 1: book on archeries and in the Art of archery, and
Speaker 1: the whole point of the book was don't aim at
Speaker 1: the target, and you'll hit it every time. But if
Speaker 1: you aim at the target, you're not going to hit it.
Speaker 1: How How do you how do you get? Because the
Speaker 1: other thing is, I mean, I watch you guys play
Speaker 1: practice rounds. I watch you guys play at home. You
Speaker 1: guys will have no caddies, range finders, shirt on, tucked,
Speaker 1: music going, maybe a little booze going, and you guys
Speaker 1: will shoot sixty one, sixty two, sixty. You guys will
Speaker 1: shoot twenty nine on a nine and not even play
Speaker 1: the back nine because you're in this kind of relaxed headspace.
Speaker 1: And then you get on tour and you've got your caddy.
Speaker 1: Do you feel sometimes that it's almost like when you're
Speaker 1: on tour and you are in turn mention, you're in
Speaker 1: the hunt. It's it's hard not to become a character
Speaker 1: of what you think you're supposed to be to win
Speaker 1: these things as opposed to just figuring out, okay, what
Speaker 1: works for me. Yeah, I think that's that's a great point,
Speaker 1: and I think the big deal with that is surrounding
Speaker 1: yourself with the right people. If you have the rights
Speaker 1: people around you, and one you have the goals, you
Speaker 1: know what you're trying to work towards. Obviously, that blocks
Speaker 1: out the big picture, right that we all want the result, right,
Speaker 1: but it's the journey in the process to get to
Speaker 1: that result. So when you start thinking about that result
Speaker 1: and you're on Sunday and you're thinking about if I win,
Speaker 1: this is what's gonna happen. This is gonna happen. You're
Speaker 1: gonna get tight and you're gonna have no chance. If
Speaker 1: you have the right people around you that can get
Speaker 1: you back into the moment. The butcher my caddy obviously
Speaker 1: has been out there a long time. You want the
Speaker 1: masters with Weirzy. I'm sitting there. He's the most conservative
Speaker 1: caddy in the world you've been around. I give him
Speaker 1: a hard time all the time. I'm like, the guy
Speaker 1: wants me to hit seven iron off the tea box
Speaker 1: and I want to hit driver like he just wants me.
Speaker 1: He wants to play to my strength. He wants me
Speaker 1: to play to my iron game. I want to send it.
Speaker 1: So we've been together a long time. On Sunday, there
Speaker 1: had a one shot lead on Brooks On fourteen, I'm
Speaker 1: in the middle of the fairway. I just watched Rosie
Speaker 1: lay up and it's the first time that we've been together,
Speaker 1: and he's like, send three wood. And I'm like, I'm like,
Speaker 1: are you sure, because I'm like, I think I should
Speaker 1: lay up here. You know, he's I just saw Rosie
Speaker 1: lay up. He's like, I've seen this whole location. You
Speaker 1: can't get it close with the wedge. Hit it three
Speaker 1: wood over the green. We'll get it up and down.
Speaker 1: He goes, send it. I mean there's out of bounds, right,
Speaker 1: and I hit out of bounds. I'm probably gonna lose
Speaker 1: the golf tournament. Left is dead. Um, But that that
Speaker 1: confidence that he gave me when he said send it,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you got it, and I send three wood.
Speaker 1: It was the best thing I've ever made. Obviously, make
Speaker 1: Burden get up and down. On seventeen. People talking about
Speaker 1: the chip shot, and you know, there was a lot
Speaker 1: going in. I could have been super nurse whatever it was.
Speaker 1: When I hit the t shot on seventeen, I hit
Speaker 1: it over the right side of the green. I walk
Speaker 1: over the bag and I'm obviously I'm like, oh crap,
Speaker 1: what I just do And but she looks at me.
Speaker 1: He's like, you're gonna chip that. You're gonna get it
Speaker 1: up and down. And there was never a thought walked
Speaker 1: two yards to get to the green. When I got
Speaker 1: up there, it was already in my head that's what
Speaker 1: I was doing. And I give him credit for that
Speaker 1: because it was a big moment. He was able to
Speaker 1: calm me down completely. And that's all I was thinking about,
Speaker 1: was gonna get this up and down. And there was
Speaker 1: never like should I put it? Should I do this?
Speaker 1: He set that tone for me, and I think that's
Speaker 1: where experience comes in. I'm a guy that likes just
Speaker 1: to be told what to do, so that's why him
Speaker 1: and I worked so well together. I think, just give
Speaker 1: me the club and tell me what to do and
Speaker 1: let me do it. Don't let me do the thinking.
Speaker 1: If I'm doing the thinking, we're gonna be in a
Speaker 1: world to hurt um. So that's a huge part. Having
Speaker 1: the right people around you whether that's a caddy, whether
Speaker 1: that's your coach, you know, whatever it is, or whoever
Speaker 1: it is. Psychologists, it's to have the right people making
Speaker 1: sure they're all communicating, because that can get you out
Speaker 1: of your own head. We all get in our own
Speaker 1: head too much, UM. And you know, a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of the pain and stuff we we do
Speaker 1: and the bad play is self inflicted. Um. And so
Speaker 1: nice to have those people around you and getting them
Speaker 1: all on the same page, communicating together and making sure
Speaker 1: we're working towards a goal. Um. And sticking to that
Speaker 1: process is a huge part of it. Let's take a
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Speaker 1: wins a major championship is the following week, if you're
Speaker 1: lucky enough to be there to see that kind of
Speaker 1: procession right where you walk on the range and people
Speaker 1: come up to you and and congratulate you. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously that must be an amazing feeling. But you know,
Speaker 1: what is the feeling like for you when you when
Speaker 1: you win your first major and then for the rest
Speaker 1: of that year, I mean, everybody looks at you differently. Um.
Speaker 1: You know that you are part of a group, part
Speaker 1: of a club that everybody wants to be in. UM,
Speaker 1: But internally, what does that feel like for you when
Speaker 1: you're walking around as as a major champion? Do you
Speaker 1: do you feel different? I don't. Uh, Well, the next
Speaker 1: morning it hurt. I can tell you my head hurt.
Speaker 1: I didn't feel very good after next morning. Spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time in It's after room Sunday night at Pebble. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I feel different as much as
Speaker 1: I there's a lot more attention. Um. I flew straight
Speaker 1: to me York the next day and did a media
Speaker 1: tour and that was that was more attention than I've
Speaker 1: ever had in my life. Um. But yeah, I it's funny.
Speaker 1: You know, I haven't played well the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm playing last week in San Diego, and
Speaker 1: it's it's the people that I don't know. I would say,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm walking down and I hear people say, oh,
Speaker 1: that guy won the US Open. That guy won the
Speaker 1: US Open, like people aren't saying, oh that guy won
Speaker 1: Phoenix in two thousand and eighteen. You know, it's it
Speaker 1: is different. It is a different stage, it is a
Speaker 1: different level. I need to get out of my own
Speaker 1: way again and get back to realizing that that I
Speaker 1: had that inside of me and that's never gonna leave.
Speaker 1: Nobody can ever take that away from me. No matter
Speaker 1: what the biggest stage in golf. I was able just
Speaker 1: to be successful against the best players in the world
Speaker 1: and at the time, it was the hottest player in
Speaker 1: the world. B K was on a tear. He won
Speaker 1: four of the last I don't know how many majors,
Speaker 1: eight majors, nine majors, whatever it was. The guy was
Speaker 1: playing un freaking believable and I was able to step
Speaker 1: up and play my best golf in the moment when
Speaker 1: I needed to. So it's able to block out now
Speaker 1: those expectations. People always are gonna bring expectations when you
Speaker 1: play well, there's a lot of people around you and
Speaker 1: guaranteeing to you. Now when when you haven't played well,
Speaker 1: people start to drift away from yet. So I had
Speaker 1: to learn to deal with all that lot more attention.
Speaker 1: You know. The thing that hurt me the most after
Speaker 1: that was COVID because I obviously have Mark Steinberg in
Speaker 1: my corner, who's been around more and five major championships
Speaker 1: than ever and been in that moment when COVID happened,
Speaker 1: and I like my team around me. Phil couldn't travel,
Speaker 1: you know, Signy didn't travel, They wouldn't let agent sound.
Speaker 1: I didn't have my team around me, and I struggled
Speaker 1: massively because I had more attention, I had more media,
Speaker 1: I had more crap going on, and I was by
Speaker 1: myself and that and then I got hurt, and then
Speaker 1: it's it's it's been a long process to get back
Speaker 1: where I feel like now I've kind of flipped that
Speaker 1: corner and now I'm working back. You know, for a
Speaker 1: while I was trying to hang on. I was just
Speaker 1: trying to hang there. Now it's a process. Okay, now
Speaker 1: we've sat down. Now my team's back around me. Everyone's
Speaker 1: traveling again. I go see your dad a lot, but
Speaker 1: I just saw him last week and I'm going back
Speaker 1: this weekend. Now I got my people around me, and
Speaker 1: I'm starting to get those good vibes again. I'm starting
Speaker 1: to realize when things are going off, what's going on. Um,
Speaker 1: So I'm excited about what the future holds. But that
Speaker 1: I really struggled after that. Like you said, there's a
Speaker 1: lot more that comes with it. People, you walk on
Speaker 1: the range, you do feel a little different, but it's
Speaker 1: the expectations and the people and everything to learn to
Speaker 1: say no. Well, I was out there by myself with COVID.
Speaker 1: Obviously COVID was horrible for a lot of people for
Speaker 1: a lot of different reasons. Um, it was an awful deal.
Speaker 1: The pandemic. It hurt me from a golf standpoint drastically
Speaker 1: as well. And um, you know, luckily, now we're starting
Speaker 1: to get past all that and my team can get
Speaker 1: back around me, and um, I can get back to
Speaker 1: doing what I love to do the most. We're coming
Speaker 1: up to waste Management. You won there in two thousand
Speaker 1: and eighteen. I mean it's a freak show. Um, what's
Speaker 1: it like to win there? I mean it seems to
Speaker 1: get bigger every single year. Um, coming from the obviously
Speaker 1: coming from the basketball background, I mean, you must love
Speaker 1: all of the fans and the crazyness and stuff like.
Speaker 1: But what's it like to to win there and and
Speaker 1: go through all of that with all of those people.
Speaker 1: It's an absolute ship show. And you throw in this
Speaker 1: year the super Bowls there this this year, and you've
Speaker 1: got Kansas City there, so I'll have a million a
Speaker 1: million people out watching, which will be great. But for me,
Speaker 1: it's you know, I've given away a hundred tickets there before.
Speaker 1: It's it's one of those deals where everyone in Kansas
Speaker 1: where I'm from, once you get out of the cold,
Speaker 1: they're trying to find a week to do it. Why
Speaker 1: not come to Arizona. It's a party, right, there's three
Speaker 1: hundred thousand people there are only ten thousand and were
Speaker 1: watching golf. And it is an absolute there's no lack
Speaker 1: of a better words, a ship show. It is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Sixteen If you take the stands out. I've played there
Speaker 1: with no stands. It's a very simple golf all. Now,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you put thirty thousand people in
Speaker 1: there and you can't feel the wind because of the
Speaker 1: of the grand stands and everything, and now of a
Speaker 1: sudden you're adrenaline. I feel like I could hit a
Speaker 1: nine iron two hundred yards. Now it becomes a little
Speaker 1: more difficult, but there's just nothing like it. We don't
Speaker 1: get that kind of energy. We'll have more fans on
Speaker 1: a Wednesday then at that tournament than we will all
Speaker 1: week at some weeks um. But you can hear the
Speaker 1: roars on sixteen from the first tea box, you know,
Speaker 1: you can hear the noise in the atmosphere is so good. Um,
Speaker 1: the energies that we just don't have anything like it.
Speaker 1: So I'm super excited for next week. Obviously I've had success.
Speaker 1: They're being able to win. They gave me my first
Speaker 1: exemption in two thousand eleven teen into a tournament. So, um,
Speaker 1: it's exciting. I'm looking forward, always looking forward to going
Speaker 1: back to that one and one of the great memories
Speaker 1: of of that tournament, I think one of the great,
Speaker 1: you know memories in golf. Amy Barker said, two thousand
Speaker 1: and nineteen, Um, she's a college golfer. She's got down syndrome.
Speaker 1: But I don't think a lot of people that watch
Speaker 1: that realize is when when you're told as a player
Speaker 1: that you're going to do that, you get no background.
Speaker 1: Right you're you're playing. The tour tells you, Hey, you're
Speaker 1: gonna meet this person. She's going to play this whole.
Speaker 1: I mean she stood up. You're playing with coach. It
Speaker 1: was all in sixteen. I mean you if you and
Speaker 1: put out is in as a script in Hollywood, somebody
Speaker 1: would go, I mean, no, that's never gonna happen. She
Speaker 1: stands up, she makes a good swing. You can see
Speaker 1: you and Cooch are like okay, and then the bunker
Speaker 1: shot this this girl hits is unbelievable. There's just you
Speaker 1: put her on another hole, or put anyone on another hole,
Speaker 1: and it happens, and they make par You're like, great,
Speaker 1: that's that was really cool. You put them on sixteen
Speaker 1: on sixteen on Tuesday afternoon, when it's late in the day.
Speaker 1: We were playing late that day, so gut. Everyone in
Speaker 1: there had been drinking in the stadium. I was just
Speaker 1: hoping she got it off the tea right, and she
Speaker 1: makes a great swing. If it was online, it was
Speaker 1: just two yards to the right. If it's two yards left,
Speaker 1: it's in the middle of the green. It goes in
Speaker 1: the bunker, and I wanted to get it out. I
Speaker 1: had no expectation of her head when I hit. When
Speaker 1: when you're on the whole, the one thing you don't
Speaker 1: want to do is chip like you want to hit
Speaker 1: it on the green and give yourself a chance to
Speaker 1: make putty. She's got an uphill bunker shot. The bunkers
Speaker 1: are a little fluffy there anyway, it's an uphill bunker shot.
Speaker 1: She's like, oh, I got this, I got this. I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: here we go. I don't want this shot. And she
Speaker 1: hits a perfect bunker shot to ten ft And I've
Speaker 1: never wanted to will a golf ball in the hole
Speaker 1: so bad, I mean, and this thing went in dead center,
Speaker 1: and I got a lot of cool text and a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff about that. But afterwards, Phil Kenyon, we're
Speaker 1: talking about coaching, he sends me a screen shot. Everybody was,
Speaker 1: you know, talking about the video. He sends me a
Speaker 1: screenshot of her putter released at Impact and said, this
Speaker 1: is what I want you to do, like her stroke is.
Speaker 1: Everything was so good. But it was so funny because
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, yeah, I should have I got
Speaker 1: so confident the moment I should have been watching her
Speaker 1: putt because her putty stroke was perfect. So it was amazing.
Speaker 1: Her energy. I've been able to stay in contact with
Speaker 1: her and talk to her her attitude or energy in
Speaker 1: a world where there's a lot of stupid crap going
Speaker 1: around back and forth between a lot of things. The
Speaker 1: world needs a lot more of Amy in it, and
Speaker 1: she's been a breath of fresh air for me. She
Speaker 1: She's definitely been a positive influence in my life. You know,
Speaker 1: you you go into those experiences and you try to
Speaker 1: have a positive impact on the people that you're working with,
Speaker 1: and I think it was reversed. She's had a positive
Speaker 1: impact on millions of people around the world. Um, I
Speaker 1: still get a lot of people come up to me
Speaker 1: and saying I got this. I got this, UM, and
Speaker 1: that's because of her. So that's pretty special. I think it.
Speaker 1: I think the clip almost almost fifty million views. I mean,
Speaker 1: and and the cool thing is is as I know
Speaker 1: that you guys have formed this relationship, UM, but it
Speaker 1: is I mean sometimes in life it's like the stars
Speaker 1: line up and and you know, everything just happens. And
Speaker 1: I think the great thing about watching that clip, when
Speaker 1: you go back and watch it is is her reaction,
Speaker 1: but then you watch you and Cooties reaction, which was
Speaker 1: even better. UM. It was amazing. It was like we
Speaker 1: want a golf tournament. It really was. Um. It was
Speaker 1: like we made a put on eighteen to win a
Speaker 1: golf tournament. Just the excitement and energy was was unbelievable.
Speaker 1: I want you to share, UM something I think one
Speaker 1: of the reasons I think you played a big part
Speaker 1: in helping DJ win UM that Major and during COVID
Speaker 1: and the Masters. UM, I think you were a big
Speaker 1: catalyst for that run that he went on. And the
Speaker 1: reason I say that is you guys played a lot
Speaker 1: of We've played a lot of practice rounds that that
Speaker 1: that year. UM, there wasn't any fans Um, there was
Speaker 1: no energy out there, and and you and DJ played
Speaker 1: a lot, and I think one of the things that
Speaker 1: I think really helped him that year was the chipping
Speaker 1: game that that you guys played, something that you and
Speaker 1: your caddy, Butchie came up with, UM share with everybody listening,
Speaker 1: UM what it is. And I think it is a
Speaker 1: fantastic game for everyone listening if you're trying to get
Speaker 1: better chipping to play. Yeah, you know, I've played. I've
Speaker 1: played more practice rounds with DJ probably than anyone outside
Speaker 1: of maybe Coach on tour since I've went out here
Speaker 1: in fifteen years. DJ and I go way back to
Speaker 1: college and our amateur days and traveling around and acting
Speaker 1: like idiots. I love the guy to dead. The chipping
Speaker 1: game started, Coach and I were playing this game, and
Speaker 1: Coach obviously has one of the best short games on tour,
Speaker 1: So for me, it's a huge thing for me to
Speaker 1: go and try to learn from him. And you know,
Speaker 1: DJ and Coach were partners a lot in the President's
Speaker 1: Cup and Rider Cups team. They've been partners a lot.
Speaker 1: So DJ comes and we're all playing this game where
Speaker 1: the caddies put pins that are typically gonna be on
Speaker 1: that whole throughout the week and you get three balls
Speaker 1: and it's best to out of three wins. But if
Speaker 1: you win all three chips on the whole, you sweep,
Speaker 1: and so it doubles doubles what you're paying. So it's
Speaker 1: tough because they just throw the ball. So you're getting
Speaker 1: good lies, you're getting bad lies. But it's kind of
Speaker 1: more game like where we're playing these golf reve now
Speaker 1: your fifteen years, we're playing the same golf courses over
Speaker 1: and over and over again. But you start making these
Speaker 1: things interesting, starts making the practice rounds more enjoyable. John
Speaker 1: Rom joined us. One thing John rom is always asking
Speaker 1: to join, Like you've got guys getting in because it's
Speaker 1: competitive and it's you're learning, you're watching how other guys
Speaker 1: hit certain shots. You can say what you want about DJ.
Speaker 1: He's one of the most sport or golf knowledgeable people
Speaker 1: I've been around. I've been partners with him in President's Cup.
Speaker 1: His golf i q is is a joke when it
Speaker 1: comes to seeing things that not everyone sees. And so
Speaker 1: watching him hit different shots with different clubs and what
Speaker 1: he can see and you know, um, it's it's fascinating
Speaker 1: so I think it's helped both of us. You know, Um,
Speaker 1: that week at Augusta is obviously a great week to
Speaker 1: chip and learn where you need to be and where
Speaker 1: you can't be. You can hit golf shots all you
Speaker 1: want around that place. There's sometimes it's better chipping than
Speaker 1: it is putting on certain holes. So being able to
Speaker 1: play that game, um, you know, now I gotta find
Speaker 1: coups DJs. DJ has gone on to live, but I
Speaker 1: can still work with him in the major that I
Speaker 1: look forward to doing it at Augusta. Um, but it's
Speaker 1: helped both of us. It definitely has, and I, like
Speaker 1: I said, more than anything, it makes a practice round
Speaker 1: that goes by and sometimes you can be out there
Speaker 1: forever and make the day drag on. It makes it
Speaker 1: more enjoyable because the last thing I want to do,
Speaker 1: even if you're playing for five bucks whatever is I
Speaker 1: just don't want to lose to him, you know, and
Speaker 1: and he doesn't want to lose either. The last thing
Speaker 1: you want to do is hand out cash on the
Speaker 1: last goal. So it makes the short game practice so
Speaker 1: much more beneficial. And uh, I think it definitely helps
Speaker 1: you out throughout the week. Lastly, Gary, you mentioned we
Speaker 1: mentioned at the beginning of the pod Um made the
Speaker 1: move to go over to Cobra from a quickments standpoint.
Speaker 1: But you've been with Puma for a while now, Um,
Speaker 1: you wear the Volition clothing, the partnership they do with
Speaker 1: the Folds of Honor and Major Dan Rooney. Um that
Speaker 1: that I know, that's something that's really really important to you.
Speaker 1: It is you know, my grandpa was in the military,
Speaker 1: My wife's grandpa was in the military. Rooney has had
Speaker 1: an a massive impact in my life. I met him
Speaker 1: he played golfing KU. I met him when I was
Speaker 1: at KU. He married my wife and I he got
Speaker 1: me involved in Folds of Honor two thousand nine. The
Speaker 1: Volition things started in two thousand and eighteen, and it
Speaker 1: was just I had just split with Under Armory. It
Speaker 1: was a natural fit to slide right into that. And
Speaker 1: then Puma has carried that on. You know, credits to
Speaker 1: Puma for for believing in that project as well, and
Speaker 1: it continues to grow. The stuff is amazing. We're giving
Speaker 1: back to the military while we're supporting stuff and we're
Speaker 1: bringing awareness. I see it more and more everywhere I
Speaker 1: go now, Um, it's it's really special and it's nice.
Speaker 1: Now you talk about partner with brands, it's nice to
Speaker 1: partner with brands that have the same beliefs that you do.
Speaker 1: And Buma and Cobra love to get back, they love
Speaker 1: to get back to the military. That's been a big
Speaker 1: part of my life and my family's life. Um, and
Speaker 1: so it's it's special to partner with them and be
Speaker 1: able to do that together. Well, I'm excited for three. Um,
Speaker 1: hopefully we'll get to see you a little bit more.
Speaker 1: And um, hey, you gotta start. You gotta play good
Speaker 1: this year otherwise you know, my old man's he but
Speaker 1: she's gonna be on you. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'll be calling you. I'll be calling you for advice.
Speaker 1: The one thing everybody says, Hey, I want to work
Speaker 1: with you Dad. I said, no, that's great, but if
Speaker 1: you if you don't perform, be prepared. Hey, UM, great
Speaker 1: talking to you, g Dub and uh, play well in
Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks time you're the best. I'll
Speaker 1: see you soon. C H. So that was Gary Woodland
Speaker 1: and hopefully, UM, you've got a little bit more to
Speaker 1: go on with Gary Woodland. Like I said in the beginning,
Speaker 1: I think g Dub is one of those guys that
Speaker 1: everybody just sees his a long hit or a bomber. UM.
Speaker 1: But I've had the privilege and the pleasure to work
Speaker 1: with him. UM My dad works with him. There's a
Speaker 1: lot more to him, and there's a lot more to
Speaker 1: his game UM, and meets the eye. So UM, I
Speaker 1: think it's a big year for Gary. UM. I think
Speaker 1: it's a year that he wants. I don't think I've
Speaker 1: ever seen him one it this badly. You wouldn't think
Speaker 1: a guy that's won six times and has a major
Speaker 1: and under his belt, UM, that would have that fight.
Speaker 1: But but he definitely does. So thanks to g Dub
Speaker 1: for coming on. UM. I just wanted to touch on
Speaker 1: last week. UM, Rory McElroy wins yet another tournament. I mean,
Speaker 1: this guy, he is. The guy is just so good. UM.
Speaker 1: The way he plays golf. Um, it's just so much
Speaker 1: fun to watch. The game is a better place for
Speaker 1: having Roy mclroy in it, especially when he's firing all cylinders. UM.
Speaker 1: But with all this this talk and Roy has been
Speaker 1: a big part of that with the Live with the
Speaker 1: PGA tour. UM, you can see that. UM. Last week
Speaker 1: Patrick reed in the mix, UM, all the drama surrounding that. UM.
Speaker 1: The one to me, the one positive thing to come
Speaker 1: out of all of this UM craziness is the golf
Speaker 1: that we're seeing. And I think if we could get
Speaker 1: this more often, UM, if there is a way, UM,
Speaker 1: given the current state of things, given the way things
Speaker 1: are between the PGA Tour and Live, I think you're
Speaker 1: seeing that if if the players get together, you're going
Speaker 1: to see drama, You're going to see rivalries. UM. I
Speaker 1: think we've always in golf tried to manufacture rivalries, right.
Speaker 1: We wanted a Phil Tiger rivalry. We wanted UM a
Speaker 1: rival to Tiger Woods. We it's almost like it's fake
Speaker 1: and contrived, and I think a lot of people think
Speaker 1: it's bad for the game. Whatever side of that you're on. UM,
Speaker 1: I think we have an opportunity now to actually see
Speaker 1: some real rivalries happen. UM. There's I mean you can
Speaker 1: feel it. There's animal city out there between some of
Speaker 1: the guys on the PGA Tour and what's happened with
Speaker 1: Live and and and I think Rory has been at
Speaker 1: the at the front of that. UM. I think he
Speaker 1: he feels like he is UM kind of the spokesperson
Speaker 1: for the PGA Tour UM and he talked about that
Speaker 1: in his interview after it. He said he had to
Speaker 1: kind of block out who he was, UM, you know,
Speaker 1: playing the tournament against. Who is who he's fighting to
Speaker 1: win that golf tournament against. And that's a comment pointed
Speaker 1: at Patrick Reid, who plays on Live now. So, UM,
Speaker 1: I think if there is a positive out of that,
Speaker 1: if if there's a way to get UM, all of
Speaker 1: these players in the same space, I think the fan
Speaker 1: is going to see some unbelievable golf and UM, I'm
Speaker 1: here for it. UM. I think it's gonna make the
Speaker 1: Major's really really exciting with the guys from Live that
Speaker 1: are going to get into the major's. UM, I think
Speaker 1: you're gonna see UM. I think you're to see some fireworks. UM.
Speaker 1: And I think we're gonna see it on the golf
Speaker 1: course too. I think we're gonna see guys wanting to
Speaker 1: win in ways UM that they never have. Trust me,
Speaker 1: I mean, I spend a lot of time with guys
Speaker 1: that play on Live. UM. The guys are gonna play
Speaker 1: in the majors. They want to win these majors, they
Speaker 1: want to prove something. UM. And the guys that aren't
Speaker 1: in the major's on live all want the guys that
Speaker 1: are going to be playing these tournaments to win. Um,
Speaker 1: and you've got all the guys on the PGA Tour
Speaker 1: that are going to want to go up against the
Speaker 1: live guys. So UM, anybody, It's just my opinion, but
Speaker 1: it's my podcast, so I can say what I want.
Speaker 1: I think anybody who thinks that this is bad for golf,
Speaker 1: I just don't agree. I think we're gonna see more competition.
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna see some really legit, real rivalries
Speaker 1: and like I said, I am here for it. Uh So,
Speaker 1: once again, big big thank you and shout out to Cope,
Speaker 1: Puma Golf. UM. I'm lucky to have them as partners,
Speaker 1: and UM glad that they are supporting the podcast Son
Speaker 1: of A which comes to you every Wednesday. We will
Speaker 1: see you next week. M