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Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Buch podcast. We come to

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Speaker 1: you every Wednesday. This guest the two thousand and nineteen

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Speaker 1: U S Open champion Gary Woodland Um, one of the

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Speaker 1: longest hitters in the game. Gary's a friend I've I've

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Speaker 1: worked with him before, played been in a ton of

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Speaker 1: practice rounds with him. He works with my dad. UM,

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Speaker 1: he's one of my favorite people on tour. So really

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Speaker 1: really really excited to talk to Gary and UM he's

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Speaker 1: got a unique story and I think people are going

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Speaker 1: to be surprised um by Um the way he thinks

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Speaker 1: and the way he thinks about golf. Um, he's just

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Speaker 1: kind of thought of his guy that hits golf ball

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Speaker 1: a long way. But I can promise you and there's

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Speaker 1: a lot more to him. But before we get to that,

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Speaker 1: this episode is being brought to you by Cobra Puma Golf. UM.

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Speaker 1: If you've listened to the pod, you know that I'm

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Speaker 1: a huge fan of the Cobra Puma brand. I've been

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Speaker 1: with them for a number of years now. I'm excited

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Speaker 1: that they are not only back as a partner of

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Speaker 1: the pod, but also teaming up with me to bring

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Speaker 1: some of their ambassadors on his guests, and we're starting

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Speaker 1: with Gary Woodland. Um. You'll hear us talk about the

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Speaker 1: relationship and you know his kind of philosophy behind UM

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Speaker 1: his equipment made a big change to move to Cobra

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Speaker 1: this year. They have three new drivers out, the Cobra Aerojet. UM.

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Speaker 1: I put it in the bag, Um, I love it.

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Speaker 1: I think it performs really well. There's three models. There's

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Speaker 1: the Aerojet which is the low spin, high launch, the

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Speaker 1: Aerojet l S which is the low spin and low launch,

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Speaker 1: and then the most forgiving driver in the line, the

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Speaker 1: Aerojet Max. That's going to kind of give you a

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Speaker 1: blend of everything and give you a lot of forgiveness.

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Speaker 1: Everybody that I teach is always asking to try and

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Speaker 1: get hit the ball further. They want to hit it further,

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Speaker 1: they want more speed, they want more power, and that's

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Speaker 1: something the arrow Jet driver delivers. And a few of

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Speaker 1: the new features behind that are the p w R

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Speaker 1: Bridge waiting. What is that. Well, they positioned the wait

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Speaker 1: forward and they fully suspended this pw R bridge weight

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Speaker 1: design right in the front and it allows for more

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Speaker 1: flexibility in the face and the soul, and that's going

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Speaker 1: to give you faster ball speeds. They've got advanced aerodynamics. UM.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's trying to move the golf club faster, and the

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Speaker 1: way the golf club is designed UM has a huge,

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Speaker 1: huge part of that, and I think that's where Cobra

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Speaker 1: is really kind of at the forefront in their aerodynamics UM,

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Speaker 1: because everybody's trying to get faster club head speeds and

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Speaker 1: everybody wants to hit the golf ball further. And then

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Speaker 1: the PowerShell hot face that's going to help the face

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Speaker 1: and the golf ball across wherever you hit it, UM,

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Speaker 1: if you hit it off the toe, if you hit

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Speaker 1: it in the middle, if you hit it off the heel.

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Speaker 1: They've done a great job with the new power shell

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Speaker 1: to to have the miss hits go further. And that's

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Speaker 1: what everybody's trying to do with their driver. UM. If

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Speaker 1: you miss it, you want the miss to stay and play,

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Speaker 1: and you want to miss to still go a long way.

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Speaker 1: You can learn more and check out the erage at

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Speaker 1: drivers at Cobra golf dot com. Pre Orders are open

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Speaker 1: today and all three drivers are available for purchase on

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Speaker 1: February tent so huge, huge thanks to the Cobra Puma team.

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Speaker 1: UM they're great partners, and um, check out the new drivers.

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Speaker 1: I think everyone is going to be excited about them.

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Speaker 1: And so let's get to the interview with Gary Woodland

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Speaker 1: G dub your fifteen year on the PGA tour. I

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Speaker 1: mean that that's just crazy, isn't it. Well? I feel it.

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Speaker 1: I feel I feel like I've been out there for

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Speaker 1: a hundred so, um, it is crazy to think back

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Speaker 1: when I mean, when I came out, you know, you're

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Speaker 1: like I am that old guy. I'm the guy that's

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Speaker 1: been out here a long time. So um, it's cool though,

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Speaker 1: you know, I've learned a lot, but it's uh, it's

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Speaker 1: been a good ride for sure. So any time you

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Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. You made the choice. Um, a lot

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Speaker 1: of guys do this equipment change this year, switching from

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Speaker 1: Wilson to cobra Um. Obviously there's a lot that goes

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Speaker 1: But we've seen that work UM in reverse sometimes, and

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Speaker 1: I know for most of the players there's a lot

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Speaker 1: this change UM to Cobra. Yeah, I've I've done the

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Speaker 1: money grab before. Like I said, I've been out here

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Speaker 1: fifteen years. I've done that a couple of times, probably

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Speaker 1: The people there UM were amazing. Obviously. I have great

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Speaker 1: And to be honest with you, I had flexibility with

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Speaker 1: Woods at the end of the year and I fell

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Speaker 1: And then I started, you know, I hitting the irons,

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Speaker 1: I tested the wedges, I tested the potter, I've tested

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Ben Showman. He builds all the clubs for

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Speaker 1: I mean you have to have a great relationship with them. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the big differences get between what

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Speaker 1: need you to work with Gary and it's like, okay,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's Saturday of a major championship too. I mean,

428
00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,760
Speaker 1: and not only he's working with Francesco's leading. I mean,

429
00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,280
Speaker 1: it's there's obviously a lot goes into the story, but

430
00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,919
Speaker 1: the one thing that he did with me is he

431
00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,320
Speaker 1: had the benefit I had worked with Pete Cowen, I

432
00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,560
Speaker 1: had worked with He obviously had talked to Steiny, he

433
00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,400
Speaker 1: had talked to my cad he Butchy who he knew,

434
00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,160
Speaker 1: and they told him not to give me too much information.

435
00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,760
Speaker 1: And I think that was a huge start. And you

436
00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:57,720
Speaker 1: know we've worked together. You know, I just don't do

437
00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,239
Speaker 1: well if I have too much. And Phil Kenyon he

438
00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,479
Speaker 1: knows more than anyone I think when it comes to putting,

439
00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,439
Speaker 1: so he has all that knowledge. So he started with

440
00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:09,120
Speaker 1: me so slow, and we started bit by bit, changing

441
00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,399
Speaker 1: little things at a time. We do something for a

442
00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,480
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, we'd come back and work on something new.

443
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,520
Speaker 1: And it was a relationship that was was different because

444
00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,280
Speaker 1: I didn't know him, like I said, when I went

445
00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,920
Speaker 1: in and you know, like before you and I, before

446
00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,359
Speaker 1: your dad, whoever, I've known these guys before I started

447
00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,960
Speaker 1: working with him. I didn't know Phil and I just

448
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 1: kind of thought he was was a golf dork or

449
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,000
Speaker 1: whatever you want to say. And we're on fast forward.

450
00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,320
Speaker 1: The next year, Augusta were on the pudding Green on

451
00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,439
Speaker 1: Tuesday and I didn't feel good with my putting and

452
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 1: I I can get pretty quiet, and I can get

453
00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 1: pretty defensive and pretty angry. Sometimes it's always it's when

454
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,359
Speaker 1: I when I get in that mood, I'm in that mood.

455
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,040
Speaker 1: And I was in that mood on Tuesday, and it

456
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,959
Speaker 1: was I was frustrated and I said something about, yeah,

457
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,199
Speaker 1: don't know what I said, and he started. He started

458
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,000
Speaker 1: mother f and me on the putting green and this

459
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:06,919
Speaker 1: is at a gust and it was on Tuesday, and

460
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 1: I sit there and I'm like, since that day, since

461
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,880
Speaker 1: that conversation, my relationship with him has completely changed. Now.

462
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,880
Speaker 1: I love the guy to death. I respect the heck

463
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,679
Speaker 1: out of him, but I needed him to put me

464
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,240
Speaker 1: in my place and he did that. And you know,

465
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 1: fast forward two months later, I win the US Open.

466
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 1: I finished I don't know what I finished at a guest.

467
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 1: I've finished top ten at the p g A the

468
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 1: next month, and then I win the month after that.

469
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,880
Speaker 1: It changed everything with me and him, and uh, he's

470
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 1: one of my my closest friends now. Respect the heck

471
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 1: out of my talk to him on a daily basis

472
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,440
Speaker 1: just about putting and even like weeks when I don't

473
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,400
Speaker 1: put well, it's he takes it personally, you know, Like

474
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 1: we had a long talk yesterday because I putted a

475
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 1: horrendous last week. And I love that about him. Um,

476
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 1: he's he's fully invested. We've done a lot. We've changed

477
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,920
Speaker 1: the way I read greens. We've changed the way but

478
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 1: my stroke completely. But when I set up the grip um,

479
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 1: but it's been a process. It's been four years, five

480
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 1: years and the aching um and uh, yeah, I love

481
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 1: the guy to death. You mentioned um you're the coach.

482
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 1: Uh my dad, butch Armond, I mean you've gone, You've

483
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 1: gone back and forth with Butche, You're back in with Butchy. Um.

484
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,439
Speaker 1: I'm always fascinated because obviously you and I both know

485
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 1: I have I have a very different relationship with my

486
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 1: dad than the tour players have. Um. He says nice

487
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 1: things to you guys and patch you on the backs

488
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 1: and tells you guys how great you are, which is

489
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 1: the opposite of my relationship with him for a long time.

490
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 1: What is it? I mean? I think, I know I

491
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 1: have my opinion, but the guys that work with my

492
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 1: dad that that that he plays such a big role

493
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 1: in their lives. What do you think makes my dad

494
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,879
Speaker 1: butch Armon such a great coach? I first of all,

495
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: I think I'm starting to get more like family because

496
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 1: I haven't played great and he's starting to get after

497
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: me a little bit more. The compliments are starting to

498
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 1: dwindle a little bit. Mike, I missed the cut. I

499
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 1: don't where it was a couple of months ago, and Butch,

500
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 1: my caddie and I fly out there and we land

501
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,360
Speaker 1: your dad standing on the range and we're getting out

502
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 1: of the rental car and he goes, oh good, we

503
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 1: got one good golfer here and Gary here. So I'm

504
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: starting to get the needlings starting to come back. Um,

505
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,679
Speaker 1: but I'll tell you what there's a million good coaches

506
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 1: out there, teachers in the world, but there's just something

507
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 1: different about your dad. Man. He he has a way

508
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 1: of one making you feel good and making you feel

509
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: right at the right time. And he can obviously need

510
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: on me, like you know, when I get out of

511
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: the car or whatever, but we'll start getting in and

512
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 1: and doing our work. And when you leave there, no

513
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,120
Speaker 1: matter how you're playing or how you're hitting, he makes

514
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: you feel like you're the best player in the world.

515
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 1: And I've told this story before when I was working

516
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: with him. I don't know how long ago is. DJ

517
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: was on the range, Ricky and then me, So this

518
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,400
Speaker 1: was a while ago. And I'm sitting there hitting balls.

519
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 1: We're getting ready before a round, and I hear him

520
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 1: talking to DJ and you know, he's just pumping DJ

521
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: up before he goes and plays. And I'm sitting there.

522
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 1: I'm getting kind of mad because he's, you know, he's

523
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: it's a competitor, right, And then he comes down to

524
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 1: Ricky and he's Ricky's he's telling Ricky how good he is.

525
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 1: And now I'm over here and I'm just fuming and

526
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 1: hitting golf balls, and he comes and talks to me last,

527
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:08,959
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I get done. I'm like, God,

528
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 1: I'm the best golfer in the world. Like, he just

529
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: has that knack to say the right things at the

530
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: right time. And you know, I've talked to Te Dubbs

531
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: and people about him, and it's like there's nobody that

532
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: says the right thing and gets you prepared to the

533
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: right thing, whether whether you go work with him or not.

534
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: He just knows how to do that. He's just been

535
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: around the game a million a million years, and he's

536
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: been around a million million players. But he just has it.

537
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: He keeps it simple for me. I say, him and

538
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: I get along so well because neither one of us

539
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: are very smart and we speak the same language. Um,

540
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: he keeps it simple for me. And you know he

541
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: loves to to needle, which is uh. I enjoy that

542
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: part of it, the bullshit part of it. So UM,

543
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 1: I'd say he's a friend. He's a psychologist, he's a

544
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: swing coach, he's everything in between. Um. But he's he's

545
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: been a huge factor and definitely the reason where I

546
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: am where I am today. I think. I mean, obviously,

547
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: for people that know my dad or don't know my dad,

548
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 1: he has a very big persona right, I mean he

549
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: is a he is in an immensely confident um borderline.

550
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: At times, can be you know, arrogant, which I think

551
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 1: is one of the reasons why he's been successful. But um,

552
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: and he can be really brash um the language he uses.

553
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,959
Speaker 1: But what I always find very interesting with people like

554
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 1: yourself that end up working with him and then he

555
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: becomes a part of their life is I don't think

556
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: people are prepared for how much he cares about his players.

557
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: Um and I honestly, and and it's it's been one

558
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: of the things over the course of my life, Gary,

559
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: that's been tough for me because you know, you and

560
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: I have been friends a long time, we've worked together.

561
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 1: I mean I have I have not had at times

562
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: a great relationship with my dad. It's been tough. We're

563
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: in a great place now and I love the guy

564
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: to death, but it's been hard for me to watch

565
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 1: him at times, you know, pump you guys up and

566
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: be and know everything about your lives and stuff like that.

567
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 1: But I I do think people are are surprised at

568
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 1: how much he does care, how meant, how how he

569
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: knows what you're doing. He watches every shot. He watches

570
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: every stat and I don't think a lot of people

571
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 1: are prepared for that level of I guess intimacy because

572
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: you don't think you're gonna get that from him. There's

573
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: no doubt and for seventy nine years old that he

574
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 1: is right now. He's as invested now as he was

575
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: when we started in the beginning of two thousand twelve. Um.

576
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: And we've been on and off a couple of times,

577
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: but I always come back, you know, you always think

578
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 1: the grass is greener on the other side. He just

579
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: has a way for me, I think, and I honestly

580
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: think it's more from a psychological standpoint than it is

581
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: a physical standpoint. Obviously, there's a million great teachers in

582
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: the world, but he throws in just a psychological standpoint

583
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: that makes you feel like you're great. Um. You look

584
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: at Ricky coming back recently and how well Ricky has

585
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: been hitting it. That's a lot of a lot of

586
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: psychological work comes from that. There's just a confidence boost

587
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 1: knowing maybe it's the guys that he's worked with and

588
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: the guys that have one major championships. Maybe that's the

589
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: confidence boost. I don't know what it is, but I

590
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: tell you what. When I started in two thousand and twelve,

591
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: there's nothing I wanted more than to put a flag

592
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: on that wall as a major champion. And I've been

593
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: able to do that, and that was, Uh, that was

594
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: one of the most important things to me because I've

595
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 1: been in there. I've hit a million golf balls. When

596
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: we started, I was spending fifty nights a year in

597
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: Vegas for years, and it hitting balls in that bay

598
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: there and just seeing all these guys that have one

599
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: and he likes to throw that needle out there too

600
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 1: and talk about all that stuff. And um, that's just

601
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: something now that you know that will be up there

602
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,239
Speaker 1: and can't go down. So um uh. I love him

603
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 1: to death. He is hard there. There are times you know,

604
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: he he'd love to help you out. He'd love to

605
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: help you out. I mean, I walked in last time.

606
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: I missed the cutting Sonny open a couple of weeks ago,

607
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: and I flew straight to Vegas and you know, we

608
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: go have lunch, We sit down for lunch and we've

609
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, we've been there. I've been

610
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: there since two thousand twelve. We ordered the same thing,

611
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: but I don't know if we even want of us

612
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: have to order. They know our order. When we sit

613
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: down and he's like, what the hell happened last week?

614
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: You know, and he's you know, he starts going in.

615
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: He's like, that's not what I was expecting. I'm like, well,

616
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: I wasn't expected it either. We kind of figure this

617
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 1: ship out. Um. But and then he, you know, like

618
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: I said, then I goes to here and golf balls

619
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: and he has me believing I'm the best ball start

620
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 1: on tour again. So it's it's an act. It's hard.

621
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: You know. I've been around a lot of great coaches

622
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 1: from another sports that have that same night. I've heard

623
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: I've heard Bill self rip these players down to making

624
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: them feel like they're the worst player in the world,

625
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: and then ten minutes later they think they're the best

626
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: basketball player in the world. And that's just what the

627
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 1: greats have. And that's what your dad asked, UM. In

628
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: an era where we are UM trying to have people

629
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: think of golfers as athletes. I think they are and stuff,

630
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: but you are actually unlike a lot of guys that

631
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: played the page, you were actually a real athlete. You

632
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: played competitive collegiant basketball. Um, what do you love about

633
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,719
Speaker 1: basketball and how is basketball g dub different from golf,

634
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: because obviously they're both sports, they're both competitive. There's a

635
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: number of similarities. But what do you think are the

636
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: big differences between basketball and golf. You know, obviously you

637
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: talk about the team aspect um. Well, on the PGA

638
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: Tour part, we don't have the team aspect um. That's

639
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: a big deal. Hey hey, broy Bro, we've got it.

640
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: They've got it to live. You can still come. I

641
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: missed the locker room part of basketball. The big difference

642
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: from treating me and basketball and golf is basketball there

643
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: was nothing like a game. I absolutely love the games.

644
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: I hated practice, and you fast forward to golf. I

645
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: love the practice. Um, I love to be out there.

646
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: And I think that's probably ultimately besides being six ft

647
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: and slow and all that, that's why I've ended up

648
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: being more successful in golf is I love to practice.

649
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: I love the competition, the game part of basketball. It's

650
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: nothing like the lights, um, the bus rides with the

651
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: guys needling, all that stuff. That's that was amazing. You

652
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: can never take that away. But I learned a lot

653
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: in basketball that I can transition to golf. From standpoint

654
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: if I wasn't shooting it well, well, first of all,

655
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: I was going to continue to shoot. But there were

656
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: things I could do who in basketball to be successful.

657
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: I could I could play defense, I could facilitate the basketball.

658
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: I could do other things. And that's what I had

659
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: to transition to golf. If I'm not driving the golf all, well,

660
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: I have to find other aspects of my game. I

661
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: have to bunnet down the fairway and use the other

662
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: aspects of my game to be successful to get it

663
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: to the next day. Um. Instead of just keep pounding driver,

664
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: pounding driver and getting out of player or whatever it is,

665
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: whatever aspect of my game, I have to learn to

666
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: be successful in other aspects um and not just rely

667
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: on one thing. And I learned that through basketball. I

668
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: learned my work ethic being around these older guys and

669
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: and watching how they work, how they take care of

670
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: their bodies and treat their bodies. And when I when

671
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: I went to Washburn, I was I was the only

672
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: kid under under twenty one at the time. You know,

673
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: they're all an ice pass and all this stuff, and

674
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm I get done in practice. I'm seventeen, eighteen years old,

675
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: and I'm like you guys. You guys are losers. What

676
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: are you doing? You know? And now now I'm the

677
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: one in the ice path every day doing all my stuff. Um,

678
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: but it was it was something I'll never take back.

679
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: I'll never change that. I'm so glad I went and

680
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: played basketball that when you're in college, because I learned

681
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: so much from being around older guys, being around that

682
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: team aspect Um, there's there's just nothing like it. So

683
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: I'm glad I did it. But I've made the right

684
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: choice in transitioning over to golf. For sure. You mentioned, um,

685
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: you'd love to play basketball games, you didn't like to practice,

686
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: you'd like to practice golf. Um do you think sometimes

687
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's hard for golfers to remember that

688
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: golf is a game, that there is an art to

689
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: playing golf, because I see so many players that are

690
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: looking for me to help them with their golf, to

691
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: try and get them to whatever next level that is,

692
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: whether it's high school, college, the tours, whatever. Um do

693
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: you think sometimes golfers get trapped into technique technique technique

694
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: technique and you forget because obviously I thought it was

695
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: really interesting what you said in basketball. If you're not

696
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: shooting good, you're going to keep shooting. That's the opposite

697
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: of what everybody does in golf. They're not playing good.

698
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: They just want to get off the golf course and

699
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: get to the range. Whereas when you're playing other competitive

700
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: maybe team sports, you can't do that. You don't get

701
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: to call time out and go practice. You have to

702
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: keep playing. Talk to me Gary, the difference and how

703
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: you manage the transition from technique and what you're doing

704
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: on the driving range and then the actual playing of

705
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: the game of golf. There's no doubt that technique gets

706
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: to be too big. I was playing with Roy McElroy

707
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: at c J Cup the week. I guess he won

708
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: that week. Um, well, I guess he's been winning every

709
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: week right now. But we're playing a practice on and

710
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: we're just talking about our our past year so and

711
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: and he said to me, and it's something that really

712
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: hit home with me, is he's like, I was so

713
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,239
Speaker 1: focused on my technique at some point He's like, I

714
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: just said, screw it, I'm just gonna see and go

715
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: and it becomes reactive. And that's what sometimes when you're

716
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: shooting a basketball and sometimes I'm not worried about this

717
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: and this and this. I'm just seeing it and going.

718
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: And you know, when you, like you said, you get

719
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: off in golf and you you play bad, you go

720
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: to the range and you're sitting there hitting golf balls

721
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: for for three hours after the round because you're so

722
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: so mad and so frustrated. I don't know if you're

723
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: getting a lot out of that. A lot of times.

724
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: And for me, I've been out here fifteen years. I

725
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: played golf my whole life. At some point it has

726
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: to be reactive. I hit it in the trees. I'm

727
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: not over there thinking technique. I'm thinking about how I'm

728
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: gonna hook this thing forty yards back into the fairway

729
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,239
Speaker 1: and it's an easy shot for me. And then I'm

730
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: in the middle of the fairway and I'm thinking about

731
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: this and this and this, and then all of a sudden,

732
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: you know, you start playing bad and then you're you're

733
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: thinking about more technique or you talk about being simple.

734
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: I mean that's seeing and going is very simple. And

735
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: that's that's one thing about having the right people around

736
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: to you. I think that's why I miss your dad traveling,

737
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: because Dad is so simple. Sometimes when I'm out there

738
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: by myself, I start getting into two technical too much

739
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: technique and UM and that, and I don't do well

740
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: that way, you know, like I said earlier than when

741
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: we were talking, I don't do well with a lot.

742
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: I'm very, very simple person. I like to keep it simple,

743
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: and I have struggled in the past, especially the last

744
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: couple of years, of getting too technical with stuff. So

745
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: there is a lot to that. I think the technique takes.

746
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: You know, you have so much technology today, so many

747
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: stats and everything out there. It's easy to get caught

748
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: up in that instead of just going and putting a

749
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: peg in the ground and putting the ball in the

750
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: air and let's go play and see how how quick

751
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: we can get it in the hall. You mentioned your

752
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: win UM your first major championship at Pebble Beach in

753
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen. I don't believe GW can win majors

754
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: unless you can get out of the technique space, because,

755
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: as you know, back nine on Sunday in a major championship,

756
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter what you've done previously. The shots

757
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: are the shots, the situations or the situation, and there

758
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: really isn't anything I don't think that can prepare you

759
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: for that. Because was it different on Sunday um at

760
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 1: Pebble Beach in nineteen when when you won your first major,

761
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: temps was it was that experience different than you had

762
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 1: envisioned what it would be in your brain because everybody

763
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: has that thing, right you're you're a professional golfer. Hey,

764
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make this part to win a major. I'm

765
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: gonna make this part to win the Masters. I'm gonna

766
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: put myself in this position. How different was what you

767
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: thought it was going to be coming down the stretch

768
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: to try and win your first major championship versus what

769
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: it actually was? Yeah, you know that was there was

770
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: something different that week. I don't know, you asked my

771
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: Caddy talks about all the time. He's like, I've just

772
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 1: he's never seen me that calm. And I was playing

773
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: extremely well going in and the two things happened. One

774
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: the PGA Championship the year before at in St. Louis

775
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: at Belle reve I was leading going into Saturday, I

776
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: was leading, I was playing with b K and b

777
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: K end up taking the lead, and I was the

778
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: second and last group with Tiger On Sunday. Tiger shoots

779
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 1: sixty four or whatever, his lowest round ever in a

780
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: Sunday in a Major, and I I got so caught

781
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: up as the first time I played with him on

782
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: Sunday in a major. Obviously it was the atmosphere, the

783
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: energy was absurd, but in the first seven holes, I

784
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: was so caught up in what he was doing, and

785
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: I did make a birdie finally birdie eight, and I'm like,

786
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: what am I doing here? I'm not I'm not a fan,

787
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to fucking win, and so I was

788
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: so sorry. I don't know if I can cuss. I

789
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,479
Speaker 1: don't know if that was bet or not. Sorry. I

790
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: was so caught up in what he was doing. I

791
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: got out of what I've done my whole life, and

792
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: I learned so much for that day. And then you

793
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: fast forward to MAUI of two thousand nineteen. I was leading.

794
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: I had a three shot lead going into Sunday. I

795
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: was I was playing with Roy, three shots over him.

796
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: I was five shots over Xander. Xander bogie is the

797
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: first hold. I have a six shot lead over him.

798
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: I shoot five under without a bogey on Sunday and

799
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: I lost. Sanders end up shooting the leven under to

800
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: beat me, but I birdied eleven to go up by

801
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: three or four or whatever it was, and I was

802
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: playing phenomenal. I had to complete control of my game,

803
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm teeing off on twelve and I'm like,

804
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: this thing's over with. I'm I got this. And he

805
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 1: ends up holding out on twelve and he eagles whatever

806
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: hole and whatever he does, and he clips me by one,

807
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I took a big second for me

808
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: to read to reflect on that, and I'm like, I

809
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 1: got out of my element on Sunday of a major

810
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: championship playing with Tiger. I got ahead of myself playing

811
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: was playing, you know, a tournament that I thought I

812
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: had won and probably should have won. I got ahead

813
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: of myself there. I was so into myself at Pebble

814
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: Beach that year in two thousand nineteen. Nothing nothing bothered me.

815
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 1: When things had, when something happened, I was still Brooks

816
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: got off to an unbelievable start b K did on Sunday,

817
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: Bertie for the first six or whatever it was. I

818
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: was in control of myself because I'm like, here's the deal.

819
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: I have a fur shot lead over Brooks. If I

820
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 1: shoot two under, he has to shoot six under on

821
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: Sunday at Pebble Beach. That's gonna be very hard for

822
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: him to do. Not to mention I have I have

823
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: part five's ahead of me. I had six and eighteen.

824
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: So even when I was on seventeen, I'm sitting there like,

825
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: if he makes ego, I still have a chance. I

826
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: can get home and two easily. On eight team, I

827
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 1: was just within myself so much that week, um. And

828
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: you know, I'd like to find out what happened that

829
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: week and why I was into myself that much and

830
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 1: how everything I blocked everything out. But that is the difference.

831
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: And you look at guys that are great, the Tigers

832
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: and the DJs and whoever it is down the road, Rory,

833
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: they just find ways to do that. Look at what

834
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: Max Houm was doing right now. They find ways on

835
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: Sunday to block every block out all the other noise. Um.

836
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: And I was able to do that on the biggest stage.

837
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: And that's something that I need to continue to enforce

838
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: in my head that it's in there. Um, we just

839
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: gotta get out of our way right now and do

840
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: it so the obvious course, and for everyone listening and

841
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 1: when I hear players saying that is how do you

842
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: not get in that headspace more often? Do you feel

843
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: like sometimes you can? You can want it too bad? Right?

844
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: There's I remember I took a course in college. It

845
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 1: was an Eastern philosophy of course, and there was a

846
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: book on archeries and in the Art of archery, and

847
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: the whole point of the book was don't aim at

848
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: the target, and you'll hit it every time. But if

849
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: you aim at the target, you're not going to hit it.

850
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: How How do you how do you get? Because the

851
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: other thing is, I mean, I watch you guys play

852
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: practice rounds. I watch you guys play at home. You

853
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: guys will have no caddies, range finders, shirt on, tucked,

854
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: music going, maybe a little booze going, and you guys

855
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: will shoot sixty one, sixty two, sixty. You guys will

856
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: shoot twenty nine on a nine and not even play

857
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: the back nine because you're in this kind of relaxed headspace.

858
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: And then you get on tour and you've got your caddy.

859
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: Do you feel sometimes that it's almost like when you're

860
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: on tour and you are in turn mention, you're in

861
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: the hunt. It's it's hard not to become a character

862
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: of what you think you're supposed to be to win

863
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: these things as opposed to just figuring out, okay, what

864
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: works for me. Yeah, I think that's that's a great point,

865
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: and I think the big deal with that is surrounding

866
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: yourself with the right people. If you have the rights

867
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: people around you, and one you have the goals, you

868
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: know what you're trying to work towards. Obviously, that blocks

869
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: out the big picture, right that we all want the result, right,

870
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: but it's the journey in the process to get to

871
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: that result. So when you start thinking about that result

872
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: and you're on Sunday and you're thinking about if I win,

873
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: this is what's gonna happen. This is gonna happen. You're

874
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: gonna get tight and you're gonna have no chance. If

875
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: you have the right people around you that can get

876
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 1: you back into the moment. The butcher my caddy obviously

877
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: has been out there a long time. You want the

878
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 1: masters with Weirzy. I'm sitting there. He's the most conservative

879
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: caddy in the world you've been around. I give him

880
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: a hard time all the time. I'm like, the guy

881
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: wants me to hit seven iron off the tea box

882
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: and I want to hit driver like he just wants me.

883
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: He wants to play to my strength. He wants me

884
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: to play to my iron game. I want to send it.

885
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: So we've been together a long time. On Sunday, there

886
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: had a one shot lead on Brooks On fourteen, I'm

887
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: in the middle of the fairway. I just watched Rosie

888
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: lay up and it's the first time that we've been together,

889
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: and he's like, send three wood. And I'm like, I'm like,

890
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: are you sure, because I'm like, I think I should

891
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: lay up here. You know, he's I just saw Rosie

892
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: lay up. He's like, I've seen this whole location. You

893
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: can't get it close with the wedge. Hit it three

894
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: wood over the green. We'll get it up and down.

895
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: He goes, send it. I mean there's out of bounds, right,

896
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 1: and I hit out of bounds. I'm probably gonna lose

897
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: the golf tournament. Left is dead. Um, But that that

898
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: confidence that he gave me when he said send it,

899
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, you got it, and I send three wood.

900
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: It was the best thing I've ever made. Obviously, make

901
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: Burden get up and down. On seventeen. People talking about

902
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: the chip shot, and you know, there was a lot

903
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: going in. I could have been super nurse whatever it was.

904
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: When I hit the t shot on seventeen, I hit

905
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: it over the right side of the green. I walk

906
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 1: over the bag and I'm obviously I'm like, oh crap,

907
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: what I just do And but she looks at me.

908
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: He's like, you're gonna chip that. You're gonna get it

909
00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: up and down. And there was never a thought walked

910
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: two yards to get to the green. When I got

911
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: up there, it was already in my head that's what

912
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: I was doing. And I give him credit for that

913
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: because it was a big moment. He was able to

914
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: calm me down completely. And that's all I was thinking about,

915
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: was gonna get this up and down. And there was

916
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: never like should I put it? Should I do this?

917
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: He set that tone for me, and I think that's

918
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: where experience comes in. I'm a guy that likes just

919
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: to be told what to do, so that's why him

920
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: and I worked so well together. I think, just give

921
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: me the club and tell me what to do and

922
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: let me do it. Don't let me do the thinking.

923
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: If I'm doing the thinking, we're gonna be in a

924
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: world to hurt um. So that's a huge part. Having

925
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 1: the right people around you whether that's a caddy, whether

926
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,240
Speaker 1: that's your coach, you know, whatever it is, or whoever

927
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: it is. Psychologists, it's to have the right people making

928
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 1: sure they're all communicating, because that can get you out

929
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: of your own head. We all get in our own

930
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: head too much, UM. And you know, a lot of

931
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: a lot of the pain and stuff we we do

932
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: and the bad play is self inflicted. Um. And so

933
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 1: nice to have those people around you and getting them

934
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: all on the same page, communicating together and making sure

935
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: we're working towards a goal. Um. And sticking to that

936
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,360
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956
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,640
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957
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: come up to you and and congratulate you. I mean,

958
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: obviously that must be an amazing feeling. But you know,

959
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: what is the feeling like for you when you when

960
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 1: you win your first major and then for the rest

961
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 1: of that year, I mean, everybody looks at you differently. Um.

962
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: You know that you are part of a group, part

963
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: of a club that everybody wants to be in. UM,

964
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: But internally, what does that feel like for you when

965
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: you're walking around as as a major champion? Do you

966
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: do you feel different? I don't. Uh, Well, the next

967
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 1: morning it hurt. I can tell you my head hurt.

968
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: I didn't feel very good after next morning. Spent a

969
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: lot of time in It's after room Sunday night at Pebble. Um.

970
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if I feel different as much as

971
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: I there's a lot more attention. Um. I flew straight

972
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: to me York the next day and did a media

973
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: tour and that was that was more attention than I've

974
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: ever had in my life. Um. But yeah, I it's funny.

975
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: You know, I haven't played well the last couple of years,

976
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm playing last week in San Diego, and

977
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: it's it's the people that I don't know. I would say,

978
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: you know, I'm walking down and I hear people say, oh,

979
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: that guy won the US Open. That guy won the

980
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: US Open, like people aren't saying, oh that guy won

981
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: Phoenix in two thousand and eighteen. You know, it's it

982
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: is different. It is a different stage, it is a

983
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: different level. I need to get out of my own

984
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: way again and get back to realizing that that I

985
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: had that inside of me and that's never gonna leave.

986
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:35,919
Speaker 1: Nobody can ever take that away from me. No matter

987
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: what the biggest stage in golf. I was able just

988
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: to be successful against the best players in the world

989
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: and at the time, it was the hottest player in

990
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: the world. B K was on a tear. He won

991
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: four of the last I don't know how many majors,

992
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: eight majors, nine majors, whatever it was. The guy was

993
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 1: playing un freaking believable and I was able to step

994
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: up and play my best golf in the moment when

995
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 1: I needed to. So it's able to block out now

996
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: those expectations. People always are gonna bring expectations when you

997
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: play well, there's a lot of people around you and

998
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 1: guaranteeing to you. Now when when you haven't played well,

999
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: people start to drift away from yet. So I had

1000
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 1: to learn to deal with all that lot more attention.

1001
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 1: You know. The thing that hurt me the most after

1002
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: that was COVID because I obviously have Mark Steinberg in

1003
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: my corner, who's been around more and five major championships

1004
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 1: than ever and been in that moment when COVID happened,

1005
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: and I like my team around me. Phil couldn't travel,

1006
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,919
Speaker 1: you know, Signy didn't travel, They wouldn't let agent sound.

1007
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: I didn't have my team around me, and I struggled

1008
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 1: massively because I had more attention, I had more media,

1009
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: I had more crap going on, and I was by

1010
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: myself and that and then I got hurt, and then

1011
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: it's it's it's been a long process to get back

1012
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: where I feel like now I've kind of flipped that

1013
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: corner and now I'm working back. You know, for a

1014
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: while I was trying to hang on. I was just

1015
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: trying to hang there. Now it's a process. Okay, now

1016
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: we've sat down. Now my team's back around me. Everyone's

1017
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: traveling again. I go see your dad a lot, but

1018
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: I just saw him last week and I'm going back

1019
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: this weekend. Now I got my people around me, and

1020
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: I'm starting to get those good vibes again. I'm starting

1021
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: to realize when things are going off, what's going on. Um,

1022
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: So I'm excited about what the future holds. But that

1023
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: I really struggled after that. Like you said, there's a

1024
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: lot more that comes with it. People, you walk on

1025
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: the range, you do feel a little different, but it's

1026
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: the expectations and the people and everything to learn to

1027
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: say no. Well, I was out there by myself with COVID.

1028
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: Obviously COVID was horrible for a lot of people for

1029
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: a lot of different reasons. Um, it was an awful deal.

1030
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: The pandemic. It hurt me from a golf standpoint drastically

1031
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,720
Speaker 1: as well. And um, you know, luckily, now we're starting

1032
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: to get past all that and my team can get

1033
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: back around me, and um, I can get back to

1034
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: doing what I love to do the most. We're coming

1035
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: up to waste Management. You won there in two thousand

1036
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: and eighteen. I mean it's a freak show. Um, what's

1037
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: it like to win there? I mean it seems to

1038
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: get bigger every single year. Um, coming from the obviously

1039
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: coming from the basketball background, I mean, you must love

1040
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: all of the fans and the crazyness and stuff like.

1041
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: But what's it like to to win there and and

1042
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: go through all of that with all of those people.

1043
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: It's an absolute ship show. And you throw in this

1044
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: year the super Bowls there this this year, and you've

1045
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: got Kansas City there, so I'll have a million a

1046
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: million people out watching, which will be great. But for me,

1047
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: it's you know, I've given away a hundred tickets there before.

1048
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,720
Speaker 1: It's it's one of those deals where everyone in Kansas

1049
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,280
Speaker 1: where I'm from, once you get out of the cold,

1050
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: they're trying to find a week to do it. Why

1051
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: not come to Arizona. It's a party, right, there's three

1052
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: hundred thousand people there are only ten thousand and were

1053
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: watching golf. And it is an absolute there's no lack

1054
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: of a better words, a ship show. It is unbelievable.

1055
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: Sixteen If you take the stands out. I've played there

1056
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: with no stands. It's a very simple golf all. Now,

1057
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you put thirty thousand people in

1058
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: there and you can't feel the wind because of the

1059
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: of the grand stands and everything, and now of a

1060
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: sudden you're adrenaline. I feel like I could hit a

1061
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: nine iron two hundred yards. Now it becomes a little

1062
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: more difficult, but there's just nothing like it. We don't

1063
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: get that kind of energy. We'll have more fans on

1064
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: a Wednesday then at that tournament than we will all

1065
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: week at some weeks um. But you can hear the

1066
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 1: roars on sixteen from the first tea box, you know,

1067
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: you can hear the noise in the atmosphere is so good. Um,

1068
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: the energies that we just don't have anything like it.

1069
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: So I'm super excited for next week. Obviously I've had success.

1070
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 1: They're being able to win. They gave me my first

1071
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: exemption in two thousand eleven teen into a tournament. So, um,

1072
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: it's exciting. I'm looking forward, always looking forward to going

1073
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 1: back to that one and one of the great memories

1074
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: of of that tournament, I think one of the great,

1075
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: you know memories in golf. Amy Barker said, two thousand

1076
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: and nineteen, Um, she's a college golfer. She's got down syndrome.

1077
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: But I don't think a lot of people that watch

1078
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: that realize is when when you're told as a player

1079
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: that you're going to do that, you get no background.

1080
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: Right you're you're playing. The tour tells you, Hey, you're

1081
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: gonna meet this person. She's going to play this whole.

1082
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,439
Speaker 1: I mean she stood up. You're playing with coach. It

1083
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: was all in sixteen. I mean you if you and

1084
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: put out is in as a script in Hollywood, somebody

1085
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 1: would go, I mean, no, that's never gonna happen. She

1086
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: stands up, she makes a good swing. You can see

1087
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: you and Cooch are like okay, and then the bunker

1088
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: shot this this girl hits is unbelievable. There's just you

1089
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: put her on another hole, or put anyone on another hole,

1090
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: and it happens, and they make par You're like, great,

1091
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: that's that was really cool. You put them on sixteen

1092
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: on sixteen on Tuesday afternoon, when it's late in the day.

1093
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: We were playing late that day, so gut. Everyone in

1094
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: there had been drinking in the stadium. I was just

1095
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: hoping she got it off the tea right, and she

1096
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: makes a great swing. If it was online, it was

1097
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: just two yards to the right. If it's two yards left,

1098
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: it's in the middle of the green. It goes in

1099
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 1: the bunker, and I wanted to get it out. I

1100
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: had no expectation of her head when I hit. When

1101
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 1: when you're on the whole, the one thing you don't

1102
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: want to do is chip like you want to hit

1103
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 1: it on the green and give yourself a chance to

1104
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: make putty. She's got an uphill bunker shot. The bunkers

1105
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 1: are a little fluffy there anyway, it's an uphill bunker shot.

1106
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: She's like, oh, I got this, I got this. I'm like, hey,

1107
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: here we go. I don't want this shot. And she

1108
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: hits a perfect bunker shot to ten ft And I've

1109
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: never wanted to will a golf ball in the hole

1110
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 1: so bad, I mean, and this thing went in dead center,

1111
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: and I got a lot of cool text and a

1112
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: lot of stuff about that. But afterwards, Phil Kenyon, we're

1113
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 1: talking about coaching, he sends me a screen shot. Everybody was,

1114
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: you know, talking about the video. He sends me a

1115
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: screenshot of her putter released at Impact and said, this

1116
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: is what I want you to do, like her stroke is.

1117
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: Everything was so good. But it was so funny because

1118
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, yeah, I should have I got

1119
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: so confident the moment I should have been watching her

1120
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,760
Speaker 1: putt because her putty stroke was perfect. So it was amazing.

1121
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: Her energy. I've been able to stay in contact with

1122
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: her and talk to her her attitude or energy in

1123
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 1: a world where there's a lot of stupid crap going

1124
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 1: around back and forth between a lot of things. The

1125
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: world needs a lot more of Amy in it, and

1126
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: she's been a breath of fresh air for me. She

1127
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: She's definitely been a positive influence in my life. You know,

1128
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: you you go into those experiences and you try to

1129
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: have a positive impact on the people that you're working with,

1130
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: and I think it was reversed. She's had a positive

1131
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 1: impact on millions of people around the world. Um, I

1132
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 1: still get a lot of people come up to me

1133
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: and saying I got this. I got this, UM, and

1134
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: that's because of her. So that's pretty special. I think it.

1135
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: I think the clip almost almost fifty million views. I mean,

1136
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: and and the cool thing is is as I know

1137
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: that you guys have formed this relationship, UM, but it

1138
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: is I mean sometimes in life it's like the stars

1139
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: line up and and you know, everything just happens. And

1140
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: I think the great thing about watching that clip, when

1141
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: you go back and watch it is is her reaction,

1142
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: but then you watch you and Cooties reaction, which was

1143
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: even better. UM. It was amazing. It was like we

1144
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: want a golf tournament. It really was. Um. It was

1145
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: like we made a put on eighteen to win a

1146
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: golf tournament. Just the excitement and energy was was unbelievable.

1147
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: I want you to share, UM something I think one

1148
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: of the reasons I think you played a big part

1149
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 1: in helping DJ win UM that Major and during COVID

1150
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:05,879
Speaker 1: and the Masters. UM, I think you were a big

1151
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: catalyst for that run that he went on. And the

1152
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 1: reason I say that is you guys played a lot

1153
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: of We've played a lot of practice rounds that that

1154
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: that year. UM, there wasn't any fans Um, there was

1155
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,959
Speaker 1: no energy out there, and and you and DJ played

1156
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: a lot, and I think one of the things that

1157
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: I think really helped him that year was the chipping

1158
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: game that that you guys played, something that you and

1159
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: your caddy, Butchie came up with, UM share with everybody listening,

1160
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: UM what it is. And I think it is a

1161
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: fantastic game for everyone listening if you're trying to get

1162
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: better chipping to play. Yeah, you know, I've played. I've

1163
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: played more practice rounds with DJ probably than anyone outside

1164
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: of maybe Coach on tour since I've went out here

1165
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: in fifteen years. DJ and I go way back to

1166
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: college and our amateur days and traveling around and acting

1167
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: like idiots. I love the guy to dead. The chipping

1168
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: game started, Coach and I were playing this game, and

1169
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: Coach obviously has one of the best short games on tour,

1170
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: So for me, it's a huge thing for me to

1171
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: go and try to learn from him. And you know,

1172
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,720
Speaker 1: DJ and Coach were partners a lot in the President's

1173
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: Cup and Rider Cups team. They've been partners a lot.

1174
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: So DJ comes and we're all playing this game where

1175
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: the caddies put pins that are typically gonna be on

1176
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: that whole throughout the week and you get three balls

1177
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: and it's best to out of three wins. But if

1178
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: you win all three chips on the whole, you sweep,

1179
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: and so it doubles doubles what you're paying. So it's

1180
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: tough because they just throw the ball. So you're getting

1181
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: good lies, you're getting bad lies. But it's kind of

1182
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: more game like where we're playing these golf reve now

1183
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: your fifteen years, we're playing the same golf courses over

1184
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: and over and over again. But you start making these

1185
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,439
Speaker 1: things interesting, starts making the practice rounds more enjoyable. John

1186
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: Rom joined us. One thing John rom is always asking

1187
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: to join, Like you've got guys getting in because it's

1188
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 1: competitive and it's you're learning, you're watching how other guys

1189
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: hit certain shots. You can say what you want about DJ.

1190
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: He's one of the most sport or golf knowledgeable people

1191
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: I've been around. I've been partners with him in President's Cup.

1192
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: His golf i q is is a joke when it

1193
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,399
Speaker 1: comes to seeing things that not everyone sees. And so

1194
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: watching him hit different shots with different clubs and what

1195
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 1: he can see and you know, um, it's it's fascinating

1196
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: so I think it's helped both of us. You know, Um,

1197
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: that week at Augusta is obviously a great week to

1198
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:17,919
Speaker 1: chip and learn where you need to be and where

1199
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: you can't be. You can hit golf shots all you

1200
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: want around that place. There's sometimes it's better chipping than

1201
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: it is putting on certain holes. So being able to

1202
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:28,439
Speaker 1: play that game, um, you know, now I gotta find

1203
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: coups DJs. DJ has gone on to live, but I

1204
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 1: can still work with him in the major that I

1205
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 1: look forward to doing it at Augusta. Um, but it's

1206
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: helped both of us. It definitely has, and I, like

1207
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: I said, more than anything, it makes a practice round

1208
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: that goes by and sometimes you can be out there

1209
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,800
Speaker 1: forever and make the day drag on. It makes it

1210
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 1: more enjoyable because the last thing I want to do,

1211
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: even if you're playing for five bucks whatever is I

1212
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: just don't want to lose to him, you know, and

1213
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: and he doesn't want to lose either. The last thing

1214
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: you want to do is hand out cash on the

1215
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: last goal. So it makes the short game practice so

1216
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: much more beneficial. And uh, I think it definitely helps

1217
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 1: you out throughout the week. Lastly, Gary, you mentioned we

1218
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: mentioned at the beginning of the pod Um made the

1219
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: move to go over to Cobra from a quickments standpoint.

1220
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: But you've been with Puma for a while now, Um,

1221
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: you wear the Volition clothing, the partnership they do with

1222
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: the Folds of Honor and Major Dan Rooney. Um that

1223
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: that I know, that's something that's really really important to you.

1224
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,240
Speaker 1: It is you know, my grandpa was in the military,

1225
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,879
Speaker 1: My wife's grandpa was in the military. Rooney has had

1226
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: an a massive impact in my life. I met him

1227
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: he played golfing KU. I met him when I was

1228
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: at KU. He married my wife and I he got

1229
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: me involved in Folds of Honor two thousand nine. The

1230
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: Volition things started in two thousand and eighteen, and it

1231
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 1: was just I had just split with Under Armory. It

1232
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: was a natural fit to slide right into that. And

1233
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: then Puma has carried that on. You know, credits to

1234
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: Puma for for believing in that project as well, and

1235
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 1: it continues to grow. The stuff is amazing. We're giving

1236
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: back to the military while we're supporting stuff and we're

1237
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: bringing awareness. I see it more and more everywhere I

1238
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 1: go now, Um, it's it's really special and it's nice.

1239
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 1: Now you talk about partner with brands, it's nice to

1240
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,879
Speaker 1: partner with brands that have the same beliefs that you do.

1241
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: And Buma and Cobra love to get back, they love

1242
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: to get back to the military. That's been a big

1243
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 1: part of my life and my family's life. Um, and

1244
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: so it's it's special to partner with them and be

1245
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: able to do that together. Well, I'm excited for three. Um,

1246
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: hopefully we'll get to see you a little bit more.

1247
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: And um, hey, you gotta start. You gotta play good

1248
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: this year otherwise you know, my old man's he but

1249
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: she's gonna be on you. You know what I mean.

1250
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: I'll be calling you. I'll be calling you for advice.

1251
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: The one thing everybody says, Hey, I want to work

1252
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 1: with you Dad. I said, no, that's great, but if

1253
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: you if you don't perform, be prepared. Hey, UM, great

1254
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: talking to you, g Dub and uh, play well in

1255
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks time you're the best. I'll

1256
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: see you soon. C H. So that was Gary Woodland

1257
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: and hopefully, UM, you've got a little bit more to

1258
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: go on with Gary Woodland. Like I said in the beginning,

1259
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: I think g Dub is one of those guys that

1260
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: everybody just sees his a long hit or a bomber. UM.

1261
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: But I've had the privilege and the pleasure to work

1262
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: with him. UM My dad works with him. There's a

1263
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: lot more to him, and there's a lot more to

1264
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: his game UM, and meets the eye. So UM, I

1265
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: think it's a big year for Gary. UM. I think

1266
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: it's a year that he wants. I don't think I've

1267
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: ever seen him one it this badly. You wouldn't think

1268
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Speaker 1: a guy that's won six times and has a major

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00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: and under his belt, UM, that would have that fight.

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00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: But but he definitely does. So thanks to g Dub

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00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: for coming on. UM. I just wanted to touch on

1272
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: last week. UM, Rory McElroy wins yet another tournament. I mean,

1273
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: this guy, he is. The guy is just so good. UM.

1274
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: The way he plays golf. Um, it's just so much

1275
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: fun to watch. The game is a better place for

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00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: having Roy mclroy in it, especially when he's firing all cylinders. UM.

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00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: But with all this this talk and Roy has been

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00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 1: a big part of that with the Live with the

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00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: PGA tour. UM, you can see that. UM. Last week

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00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: Patrick reed in the mix, UM, all the drama surrounding that. UM.

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00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: The one to me, the one positive thing to come

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00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: out of all of this UM craziness is the golf

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00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: that we're seeing. And I think if we could get

1284
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 1: this more often, UM, if there is a way, UM,

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00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: given the current state of things, given the way things

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00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 1: are between the PGA Tour and Live, I think you're

1287
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: seeing that if if the players get together, you're going

1288
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 1: to see drama, You're going to see rivalries. UM. I

1289
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: think we've always in golf tried to manufacture rivalries, right.

1290
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: We wanted a Phil Tiger rivalry. We wanted UM a

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00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: rival to Tiger Woods. We it's almost like it's fake

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00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: and contrived, and I think a lot of people think

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00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: it's bad for the game. Whatever side of that you're on. UM,

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01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: I think we have an opportunity now to actually see

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01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: some real rivalries happen. UM. There's I mean you can

1296
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: feel it. There's animal city out there between some of

1297
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: the guys on the PGA Tour and what's happened with

1298
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: Live and and and I think Rory has been at

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01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: the at the front of that. UM. I think he

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01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: he feels like he is UM kind of the spokesperson

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01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: for the PGA Tour UM and he talked about that

1302
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: in his interview after it. He said he had to

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01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: kind of block out who he was, UM, you know,

1304
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: playing the tournament against. Who is who he's fighting to

1305
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: win that golf tournament against. And that's a comment pointed

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01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: at Patrick Reid, who plays on Live now. So, UM,

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01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: I think if there is a positive out of that,

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01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: if if there's a way to get UM, all of

1309
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,439
Speaker 1: these players in the same space, I think the fan

1310
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: is going to see some unbelievable golf and UM, I'm

1311
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: here for it. UM. I think it's gonna make the

1312
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: Major's really really exciting with the guys from Live that

1313
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: are going to get into the major's. UM, I think

1314
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna see UM. I think you're to see some fireworks. UM.

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01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: And I think we're gonna see it on the golf

1316
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 1: course too. I think we're gonna see guys wanting to

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01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: win in ways UM that they never have. Trust me,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I spend a lot of time with guys

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01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: that play on Live. UM. The guys are gonna play

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Speaker 1: in the majors. They want to win these majors, they

1321
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: want to prove something. UM. And the guys that aren't

1322
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: in the major's on live all want the guys that

1323
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: are going to be playing these tournaments to win. Um,

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01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: and you've got all the guys on the PGA Tour

1325
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: that are going to want to go up against the

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Speaker 1: live guys. So UM, anybody, It's just my opinion, but

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Speaker 1: it's my podcast, so I can say what I want.

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Speaker 1: I think anybody who thinks that this is bad for golf,

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Speaker 1: I just don't agree. I think we're gonna see more competition.

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Speaker 1: I think we're gonna see some really legit, real rivalries

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Speaker 1: and like I said, I am here for it. Uh So,

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Speaker 1: once again, big big thank you and shout out to Cope,

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Speaker 1: Puma Golf. UM. I'm lucky to have them as partners,

1334
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 1: and UM glad that they are supporting the podcast Son

1335
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Speaker 1: of A which comes to you every Wednesday. We will

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Speaker 1: see you next week. M