1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: An illegal alien from Guatemala charged with raping a child 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: in Massachusetts. An MS thirteen gang member from Al Salvador 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: accused of murdering a Texas man of Venezuelan charged with 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: filming and selling child pornography in Michigan. These are just 5 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: some of the heinous migrant criminals caught because of President 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: Donald J. Trump's leadership. I'm Christy nom the United States 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: Secretary of Homeland Security. Under President Trump, attempted illegal border 8 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: crossings are at the lowest levels ever recorded, and over 9 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: one hundred thousand illegal aliens have been arrested. If you 10 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: are here illegally, your next you will be fined nearly 11 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: one thousand dollars a day, imprisoned, and deported. You will 12 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: never return. But if you register using our CBP home 13 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: app and leave now, you could be allowed to return legally. 14 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: Do what's right. Leave now. Under President Trump, America's laws, 15 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: border and families will be protected. 16 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: Sponsored by the United States Department of Homeland Security. 17 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 3: You write a book about the racial wealth gap and 18 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 3: the fifteen cents on a dollar. How Americans made the 19 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,839 Speaker 3: black white wealth gap. Is that that's the name, right 20 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 3: it is? So just let's just break that down. So 21 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 3: fifteen cents on the dollar. Explain that and then also 22 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 3: in detail, and then let's also talk about how America 23 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 3: made the wealth gap, because a lot of times I 24 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 3: think people, you know, just think that it just happens 25 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 3: by accident, or people aren't fully educated, that's why they're 26 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 3: making less money. Or they don't work hard, that's why 27 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 3: they're making less money, or they have bad spending habits, 28 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 3: that's why they haven't accumulated wealth, even though we've talked 29 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 3: about a variety of different things from redlining to discrimination, 30 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 3: to a variety of different factors that go into play here. 31 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 3: But you guys are the experts. You are the Ivy 32 00:01:55,080 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 3: League college professors, so you're extremely intent people. So maybe 33 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 3: if they hear it from you, they'll have a better understanding. 34 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 3: So can you explain that? Sure? 35 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 4: Well, fifteen cents on the dollar is the Black White 36 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 4: wealth gap. So that is the title of our book. 37 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:18,119 Speaker 4: And this comes from federal data that was released last year. 38 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 4: It's a consumer survey that the Federal Reserve release every 39 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 4: three years, and that data point tells us the typical 40 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 4: wealth that a black family has in comparison to a 41 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 4: typical white family. 42 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 3: So a black family. When you say fifteen cents to 43 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 3: a dollar, a black family has fifteen cents to every 44 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 3: white dollar. Or are they earning fifteen cents to every 45 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 3: white person that's earning a dollar. 46 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 4: That's a great question. So the wealth is what you have, 47 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 4: what you hold. It can be influenced by your earnings, 48 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 4: but the income is a separate topic. 49 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 3: So okay, and so can you also explain how America 50 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 3: made that possible? 51 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 4: Yes, I mean in our book, which we hope that 52 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 4: everyone you know will read, we go all the way back, 53 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 4: you know, to the eighteen hundred. So we conducted almost 54 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 4: four hundred interviews. We focus on seven black families. They 55 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 4: range in their economic experience and spectrum. We trace their 56 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 4: family trees back five to six generations, and so in 57 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 4: doing so, we go back and we address, you know, 58 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 4: slavery and redlining and discrimination and other things that have 59 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 4: happened over the decades and over the hundreds of years 60 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 4: in the United States that created the Black white wealth gap. 61 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 5: And I just want to chime in. We very specifically 62 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 5: decided the subtitle would be how Americans made the Bakat 63 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 5: Wealth Gap, not how America made it. Because people take actions, 64 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 5: it's it's actions that people have taken. So how Americans 65 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 5: made the black white wealth gap, and the book you 66 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 5: really really see through these stories. We have looked at 67 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 5: the entire black white wealth curve going back over one 68 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 5: hundred and sixty years, and we've identified the things that 69 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 5: have happened through every different decade that have had the 70 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 5: biggest impact on the wealth not converging into equality. 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Trump's leadership. I'm Christy nom the United States 116 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: Secretary of Homeland Security. Under President Trump, attempted illegal border 117 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: crossings are at the lowest levels ever recorded, and over 118 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: one hundred thousand illegal aliens. 119 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 2: Have been arrested. 120 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: If you are here illegally, your next you will be 121 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: fine nearly one thousand dollars a day, imprisoned and deported, 122 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: you will never return. But if you register using our 123 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: CBP home app and leave now, you could be allowed 124 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: to return legally. Do what's right. Leave now. Under President 125 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: Trump America's laws, border and families will. 126 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 2: Be protected sponsored by the United States Department of Homeland Security. 127 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 3: DANG, I would assume that. 128 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 5: You do pretty well. I think you can write our book. 129 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 2: You well, I mean we know what THINGA two? 130 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, this is some other things. Those historic events are 131 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 5: a big part of it. And of course we also 132 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 5: covered things like the attacks in the Greenwood District of Tulsa, Oklahoma, 133 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 5: which into many different black business districts around the country. 134 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 5: But we also get into industry practices, the way that 135 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 5: pricing is carried out, for example, and the insurance and 136 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 5: banking industry, and we write about how it came to 137 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 5: be that risk based pricing was integrated into industries and 138 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 5: how that in some ways perpetuates differences and a lack 139 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 5: of equality among racial groups. And so we go through 140 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 5: some of those different things different industries as well. 141 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 4: We all work for insurance as well, and what happened 142 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 4: in the insurance market and why it was first introduced 143 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 4: and who it benefited. And we look at that as well. 144 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 5: You know, em em in a domain student loans, you 145 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 5: know it just it goes on and on the GI 146 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 5: builds people get equal access. We very much cover also 147 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 5: things that happened to black Americans and things that happened 148 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 5: to white Americans. We are a white and black pair 149 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 5: of authors, and this is a gap between two populations. 150 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 5: And a gap occurs both when people are held back 151 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 5: from enjoying opportunities, are held back from doing things, but 152 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 5: also when, for example, white people were given more benefits 153 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 5: to things over time that black people didn't receive that 154 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 5: also create this gap. So we talk about, for example, 155 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 5: different land grant programs that benefited white Americans more. So 156 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 5: we really cover a large range. You will learn a 157 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 5: lot from the book. And the other thing I think 158 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 5: the book does for people no matter your racial background, 159 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 5: is it makes you start thinking about which of these 160 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 5: things in history did my family benefit from or not. 161 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 5: And it doesn't go straight down racial lines. There are 162 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 5: Black Americans, for example, who did benefit from things that 163 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 5: other Black Americans didn't, and there are white Americans who 164 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 5: didn't get the opportunities that a lot of white Americans did. 165 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 5: But you can kind of trace your own family tree 166 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 5: and it gives you a much more nuanced understanding of 167 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 5: your family's financial history. 168 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 4: I think that would be the GI Bill. So in 169 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 4: our reporting for this, you know, we were tracing a 170 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 4: family where the GI Bill didn't benefit that family. And 171 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 4: in my conversations with one of my aunts, she said, 172 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 4: you know, well, Ebanie, that's how our family got into 173 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 4: some of our early home ownership. Your grandfather used the 174 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 4: GI bill, So so yes, it's very nuanced, right, So. 175 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 5: Ebanie, just to close that point, Ebanie realized, while a 176 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 5: lot of Black Americans did not get the GI Bill, 177 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 5: and we write about that in the book, there were exceptions, 178 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 5: and her own family was an exception exception. So that's 179 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 5: why it's nuanced. It's not the same. Not everyone has 180 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,719 Speaker 5: the same exact story, but there are generalities and patterns. 181 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 182 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 7: Well, we talked about home ownership, and when you speak 183 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 7: of the GI bill, we know that that's one of 184 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 7: the greatest assets you can have and wealth creation. Right, 185 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 7: A home that has boy but in the fifties appreciates 186 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 7: over time, it's passed down hopefully, and generational wealth can 187 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 7: be created from the equedets in that home. 188 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 2: We talk about the stock market here. 189 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 7: Obviously this is market Mondays and the disparities and what 190 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 7: we've seen over the past five years is encouraging, right, 191 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 7: with black men being the leading group of people who 192 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 7: are opening broker's accounts. Very encouraging an. 193 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: Illegal alien from Guatemala charged with raping a child in Massachusetts. 194 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: An MS thirteen gang member from Al Salvador accused of 195 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: murdering a Texas man of Venezuelan charged with filming and 196 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: selling child pornography in Michigan. These are just some of 197 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: the heinous migrant criminals caught because of President Donald J. 198 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: Trump's leadership. I'm Christy Nohm, the United States Secretary of 199 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: Homeland Security. Under President Trump, attempted illegal border crossings are 200 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: at the lowest levels ever recorded, and over one hundred 201 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: thousand illegal aliens have been arrested. If you are here illegally, 202 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: your next you will be fine nearly one thousand dollars 203 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: a day, imprisoned and deported, you will never return. But 204 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: if you register using our CBP home app and leave now, 205 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: you could be allowed to return legally. Do what's right. 206 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:18,359 Speaker 1: Leave now. Under President Trump, America's laws, border and families 207 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: will be protected. 208 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 2: Sponsored by the United States Department of Homeland Security,