1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Well, you can only go 2 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: so far on your looks, right, Well, apparently wrong, because 3 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: this former Playboy model was accused of a vicious murder 4 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: of a California psychiatrist, his body found stuffed in the 5 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 1: trunk of her Mercedes Bins and somehow Kelsey Turner has 6 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: managed to skate with just ten years behind bars Awi. 7 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: I Meancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for 8 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation. And Sirius X 9 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: one eleven, a former Playboy model sentenced to at least 10 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: ten years in prison in the last days after she 11 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: copped a plea in the beating death of a renowned 12 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: California psychai boy. Apparently she had been milking him for 13 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: money from the get go. Kelsey Turner, who apparently appeared 14 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: in Playboy Italia and Maxim, was handed down a prison 15 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: sentence between ten and twenty five in Clark County, Nevada, 16 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: for her role in the death of, as I mentioned, 17 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: the renowned psychiatrist, doctor Thomas Burchard. The doctor who was 18 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: in and let me just say intimate and him transactional 19 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: relationship with Turner, was murdered and crammed into Turner's car. 20 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: Now that's no way to go and no way to 21 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: be found. And he actually had a longtime love. Now, 22 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:54,559 Speaker 1: this woman, the playboy model, had previously taken an alpha plate, 23 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: which is a guilty plea in which you never actually 24 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: admit you did it. Now she took an alphred plea 25 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: to second degree murder, and we've been waiting on the sentence. 26 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: Prosecutor's claim. Turner twenty nine directed her boyfriend John Kennison 27 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: to attack doctor Burchard when he came to visit her 28 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: in Vegas. The boyfriend Kennison reportedly beat a seventy one 29 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: year old psychiatrist with a bat before the site was 30 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: stuffed in the trunk. This playboy bunny turn killer was 31 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: actually driving Mercedes bins. Somebody was giving her a lot 32 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: of money. But how was this tangled web weaved? And 33 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: what was a renowned psychiatrist doing hooking up with a 34 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: playboy etolia model for Pete's sake with a boyfriend? Listen, 35 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: when did you learn that his body had been found 36 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: ten days after I had reported him missing? It was 37 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: that was such a scary time, in those ten days 38 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: of not knowing, not knowing? Should I you know? How 39 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: to how to do anything, you know, just that that 40 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: was scary, the scariest time, really, I think, just the fear, 41 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: you know, he coming home, and probably about by the 42 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: day before, about the eighth of the ninth day, I 43 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: began to realize to myself that he probably wasn't ever 44 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: coming home, you know, even though I kept hoping and hoping. 45 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: And then when they called me, you know and told me, 46 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: which was right before it broke on the news, it 47 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: was it was just it was devastating, even though I 48 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: kind of thought I had prepared myself to hear the 49 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: worst news. You are listening to the psychiatrist, the doctor 50 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: and the trunks long time love and of course in 51 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: typical police scenarios they long time love with a suspect 52 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: number one. But how does a renowned psychiatrist end up 53 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: dead in the trunk? Who is this guy? Listen? Well, 54 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: he was out going, He loved his practice, he loved 55 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: you know, his patience, you know, doing everything for them. 56 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: Magic was his hobby and he learned that mainly to 57 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: do magic tricks to kind of engage the children because 58 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: he was a child psychiatrist. Nowadays, originally they were children. 59 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: Now nowadays it was a little bit more on the 60 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 1: adult side. He had started seeing them as children and 61 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: um through you know, and continue following them and into 62 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: their adulthood. That was rather one of when he turned 63 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: sixty five, he was seventy one, and when he had 64 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:13,239 Speaker 1: turned sixty five, he was concerned, you know, worried about 65 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: his patients that if he retired they would be left 66 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: with no one or having to start over with a 67 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: new doctor. And so his idea of retirement was to 68 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: cut his work week down to four days and take 69 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: Mondays off. So how does a trip to Vegas fit 70 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: into that four day work week? That's what I'm trying 71 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: to find out. Where was she at the time? For 72 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: a long time love Doctor Thomas Bichard was somehow stuffed 73 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: in a trunk dead, unless he was killed in the trunk. 74 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: We're learning a lot about him that speaks volumes with 75 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: me an all star panel. Troy s Layton, high profile 76 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: defense attorney joining us out of LA and you can 77 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: find him at Troy Sleyton. Doctor jin Man, family therapist, 78 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: marriage therapist, host of Couples Therapy and Family Therapy on 79 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: vh one, The Doctor Jen Show on Sirius XM, and 80 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: author of the relationship Fix. You can find her at 81 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: doctor gen dot com. Doctor Kendall Crowns, Deputy Chief Medical 82 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: Examiner for Travis County, Texas. That's Austin and senior lecturer, 83 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: University Texas and of course, forensic sciences Chris Buyer's former 84 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: police chief John's Creek twenty five years as a police officer, 85 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: now PI and polygrapher at Chris Buyer's investigations in polygraphs 86 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: dot com. Alexis Terrescha Crimalline dot com investigative reporter. Quick 87 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: question to doctor Kendall Crowns, Doctor Crowns, this guy is 88 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: a psychiatrist. Now just fill me in. In order to 89 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: be a psychiatrist, isn't it true? You have to become 90 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: a medical doctor, go through undergraduate four years than what 91 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: three or four years of medical school, then in turn 92 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: in your chosen field psychiatry for I guess three or 93 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: four years after that. How does it work? Yeah, that's correct, Nancy. 94 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: You get your undergraduate degree, you go to medical school, 95 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: and then once you graduate, then you choose your residency 96 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: in psychiatry. I do believe they do a one year 97 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: internship in internal medicine before they do. I think three 98 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: years in psychiatry, so four years of internship and how 99 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: long is medical school? Four years? Troy Slaton, did you 100 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: hear that we go three years to law school? For 101 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: one more year? We could have been doctors. Boy, I 102 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: should have done that. Who told me that I would 103 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: have been able to make my mother proud? I know exactly? 104 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know what, Troy, You're right? How my 105 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: mother begged me not to go into criminal prosecution? Oh yeah, 106 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: one more year and of course brilliance, a degree in biology, 107 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: and a few other things which would have been needed. 108 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: So this is a psychiatrist that has spent his life 109 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: in child psychiatry, and it really speaks volumes in my 110 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: mind to doctor jim Man that he started in child 111 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: psychiatry and his patients loved him so much. The bulk 112 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: of his practice is them as they grew up, they 113 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: stayed with him. It's pretty amazing. And I have to 114 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: tell you, I remember when I first started out as 115 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: a therapist. I was working in a mental health clinic 116 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: and every other intern who came in would come in 117 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: saying I want to work with children, And within six months, 118 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: every one of them was like, I can't meet this 119 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: because it's particularly challenging with a lot of the time 120 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: you're dealing with difficult family systems and parents who don't 121 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 1: want to change, and you know, things that are just 122 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: really challenging, rebellious kids. So you know, this guy sounds 123 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: like he was amazingly patient and kind and really cared 124 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: about his clients. Guys were talking about doctor Thomas Bouchard 125 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: who ends up after all these years of practicing dead 126 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: in the trunk of a BMW. Alexis Terreschut Crime Online 127 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:58,719 Speaker 1: dot com investigative reporter also with Lead Stories dot Com. Alexis, 128 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: tell me about the discovery of him and the trunk 129 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: of a BMW. How long had he been here? Been 130 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: in the trunk? And I'll just also like to find 131 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: out from Chris Buyers how ye forensically process a car trunk. 132 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: But first to you, Alexis, So, he had been missing 133 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: for about ten days and not related as car was 134 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: sound abandoned on the side of the road in Las Vegas, 135 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: in a neighborhood, and it was very clear when you 136 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: looked inside the car that something had happened. Why would 137 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: you look in the car if I see a car 138 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: by the side of the street, I don't get out 139 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: of my car and go try to look in the trunk. 140 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: I believe the police were called because it had been 141 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: abandoned for so many days. Okay, so why didn't they 142 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: just put a boot on it in a yellow ticket? Well, 143 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: I think when you see blood in a car, it 144 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: makes you think something happened. So they saw blood on 145 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: the interior, right, Yes, there wasn't. Yes, there was blood 146 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: in the interior of the Alexis are you're giving me 147 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: a renewed interest for playing t any questions? So the 148 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: police get called because there's an abandoned BMW. The police 149 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 1: get there and in plane view and I am emphasizing 150 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: those words because I know Troice Slaton is listening. In 151 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: the veteran defense attorney, plane view has a legal meaning. 152 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: For instance, if a cop goes by your car, parks 153 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: on the street, and in plane view he sees a 154 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: line of coke on the dash, oh yeah, he's she 155 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 1: can totally get in your car and impounded and get 156 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: the evidence. Because they see evidence of a crime, they 157 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: don't need a search warrant. It is in plane view. Generally, 158 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: whatever a ordinary citizen and civilian can do, a cop 159 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: can do without a warrant, agree or disagree, Roice Slaton. 160 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: And the reason why this is so important is because 161 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: if the police gather evidence illegally, then it's and all 162 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: the evidence that flows from that would be fruit of 163 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 1: the poisonous tree, and that evidence and everything that flowed 164 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: from it could be excluded from any criminal trial that follows. 165 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: All right. For instance, I'd like to give an example 166 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: when I'm speaking with yourrs. If cops are breaking a 167 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: home without a warrant and it's not an emergency extent circumstances, 168 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: and there they find evidence of another crime. Let's just 169 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: say they find cocaine with a delivery address. They go 170 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: to that location and find a drug lord. No, you 171 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: can't arrest a drug lord because the original evidence is 172 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: fruit from the poisonous tree, an illegal search. He's correct 173 00:11:46,960 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: again times stories with Nancy Grace in the Last Days, 174 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: the former Playboy model sentenced to at least ten years 175 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: behind bars for the brutal beating of a California psychiatrist 176 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: and he stuffed in the trunk of her Mercedes Bins. 177 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: Why did a renowned psychiatrist, highly educated fall for this girl, 178 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: he had to note at the get go, when she 179 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: was milking him for money, that she was up to 180 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 1: no good. Alexis Terreschut Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter. 181 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: When they opened the car, tren what alexis well, and 182 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: they could they could see the blood. There's also been 183 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 1: a rock thrown through the window of the car as 184 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 1: it was on the side of the road, and so 185 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: that also is suspicious as well, and thrown into the car, 186 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: not thrown out. And in the trunk they find the 187 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: body of doctor Burchard. To you, donder, General Crowns, Jeffrey 188 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: Chiefs Medical sam Or, Travis County, that's a fine cattlefish. 189 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: You've got a dead body in the trunk that's been 190 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: in there in Vegas heat for days and days. What 191 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 1: do you do? So the body's probably going to be 192 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: markedly decomposed, bloating with green discoloration and skin foot Oh well, wait, waite, white, white, white, 193 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: white white. What you just reeled it all off so quickly. 194 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: What did you say the first thing you said? In 195 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: the heat in the trunk, it's going to make the 196 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: body decompose. You're going to decompose no matter what, but 197 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: in the heat you're going to decompose more rapidly. So 198 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:51,719 Speaker 1: you said markedly decomposed or marginally decomposed, markedly market then 199 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: I heard something about either green or purple. Yeah, the 200 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: body will turn kind of a greaming coloration. The skin 201 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: will start it's slipping off. Then it will start bloating 202 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: from the decomposition gases. So the body, how the what 203 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 1: does a body bloat? Because you have bacteria in your 204 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: body right now, it's sitting in there kind of kept 205 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: in check by your body. But once you die, the 206 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: bacteria no wander has restraint put on it, and then 207 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: it begins breaking you down. And when it's breaking you down, 208 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: it starts forming gas. And the gas that form results 209 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: in the bloating of the body. You know how I 210 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: always explain it to a jury why a body bloated. 211 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: I would use a piece of fruit, like a banana 212 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: or an apple. When it starts to quote go bad, 213 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: you smell it and it starts looking different, it turns 214 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: the color. Well, if that's sounding inside your body, those 215 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: gases and the same ones that make a banana smell 216 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: are gathering inside your body with nowhere to go, so 217 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: your body blows. That's a very rudimentary explanation, but that's 218 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: how I can understand it. Do you think in just 219 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: ten days after Kennel crowns that there can be an 220 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: idea of the body or because it's been the trunk, 221 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: is it so as you say, marketly decomposed, you can't 222 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: make an id Yeah, so it would be difficult to 223 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: do a visual idea at that point. You would probably 224 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: have to rely on fingerprints, and I hope that there 225 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: was fingerprints available to run them against or then go 226 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: with dental records or DNA and if there's a presumptive 227 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: ad to make the identification to Chris Buyer's for em 228 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: Police Chevy John's Creek at Chris Buyer's investigations a polygraph 229 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: dot com. Have you ever seen a case like this 230 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: body in a trunk? Yeah? Absolutely have, And it's as 231 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: bad in this Georgia heat as it is out there 232 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: as well. Had one there was in a trunk several 233 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: days and you know, besides the point of view, you 234 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: can smell that after several days. I've been to hous 235 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: Eve an apartment here in Atlanta, and a body's been 236 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: inside long enough you could smell it from outside the door. 237 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: How far away can you smell it? I can guarantee 238 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: if you're standing at the trunk of a car, you 239 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: can smell it after ten days, because again I've smelled 240 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: it up front doors and found bodies and living rooms, 241 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: in bedrooms decomposed. So and if the smell, you'll never forget. 242 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: I was just gonna say that because people have asked me, 243 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: how do you know you're smelling a dead body? And 244 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: I always say, you know what. I don't know, but 245 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of like, or at least from me, 246 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: when you see a snake on the side of the street, 247 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: you immediately know get away from that. How do you know, 248 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: I don't know, but you know, I guess evolutionary instinct. 249 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: Alexa's terrest check. I'm a little bit embarrassed for you 250 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: because you did not mention the stinch that must have 251 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: been coming out of that trunk. Any Coffi's right mine 252 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: would open it up absolutely. And they you know, they 253 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: had seen the rocks through the window abandon on the desert. 254 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: This is not something where it was maybe they didn't 255 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: think it was a car accident, you know, and the 256 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,479 Speaker 1: people had gotten in another car and ridden away and 257 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: just ran to come back later for their car. So 258 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 1: while all this is happening a renowned child psychiatrist stuffed 259 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: in the trunk of a BMW back home. The long 260 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 1: Time Love is waiting for doctor Rochard show up. Take 261 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: a listen to this. Well, he was scheduled. He flew 262 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: there on Friday or March first, and he was scheduled 263 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: to return the fourth, the following Monday. And I first 264 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: noticed that there was something wrong on Sunday morning. I 265 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: spoke with him Friday, and we texted on Saturday, and 266 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: I began to feel that there was something wrong on Sunday. 267 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: But I had received a couple of texts in the 268 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: afternoon that I just knew were not him. You know, 269 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: She's so right. Everybody has a unique style of writing 270 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: a text. For instance, I would never write along verbose texts. 271 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: I try to make it as short and brief as possible, 272 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: even cutting letters out of words to him, and to 273 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 1: make it quick. Well, she knew immediately this was not 274 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: his style of writing. Listen to what jud tells me. 275 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: Just the vocabulary wasn't his vocabulary. It was more of 276 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: an edu came to it. Just it just wasn't him. 277 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 1: I could just tell it wasn't him talking or texting 278 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: me and I said, so, I said, you know, all 279 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: the time, I don't believe this is you. You need 280 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: to call me. And then after that the phone did, 281 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: and early Sunday morning that same day, I woke up 282 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: very early, about five or so in the morning, just 283 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: thirty five, just feeling something was really wrong, you know, 284 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: just kind of scared, more and more scared than anything, 285 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: and than those checks in the afternoon. It really really 286 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 1: raised some flags, and I was worried. I didn't hear 287 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 1: from him at all, and I checked and I kept checking, 288 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: and he had not checked in for his flight. Worried. 289 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. It's called routine evidence. And again 290 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: I don't mean that it's run of the mill or 291 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: typical or stereotypical evidence, but evidence of someone's routine. I 292 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: like to call it behavioral evidence. Troy Layton, of course, you, 293 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 1: as an expert defense attorney, can't slice all sorts of 294 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: holes in this. But when someone has a routine. For instance, 295 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: I get up every morning, I packed the children's snacks, 296 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: I loaded the car to take them to school, I 297 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: get my mom's breakfast ready. I start looking at crimes 298 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 1: all across the country, and then I enjoy cleaning out 299 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 1: the guinea pig cage. That is a routine that has 300 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: strictly followed. If I were to suddenly decide, you know, 301 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,239 Speaker 1: I'm going to go to the hair salon, or I'm 302 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: going to go to an early morning eatery and not 303 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,439 Speaker 1: take my children to school this morning, that would be 304 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: contrary to a routine, right it would, and that would 305 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: be admissible evidence of someone's routine or habit is admissible 306 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: in order to show their conformity therewith and any deviation 307 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: from that could be important evidence for a jury. Of course, 308 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: a defense of journy like yourself can slice it up 309 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: like Thanksgiving turkey, because just because you have routained asn't 310 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: mean you're always going to follow it absolutely and and 311 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: and certainly that would be important and compelling evidence for 312 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: a jury. And someone can certainly argue that that there 313 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: is no textbook on the way that's telling you. I 314 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: was just waiting for you to pull that out of 315 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: the moth balls. There's no text If there is no 316 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: textbook for the way that somebody is supposed to act, 317 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 1: especially when somebody is paying for somebody else to uh 318 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: to have a luxury apartment for somebody that they're not 319 00:21:44,200 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: married to prime stories with me. It's a grace. Ex 320 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: playboy model Keltzy Turner finally sentenced and a renowned psychiatrists slaying. 321 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:17,479 Speaker 1: This doctor, doctor Thomas Burchard, had helped so many people 322 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: in his life, A very well known psychiatrist in California. 323 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,479 Speaker 1: He gets tangled up with his playboy model and he 324 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: ends up dead, stuffed in a car trunk. What happened? 325 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: Listen to the Long Time Love g d Earl Monday. 326 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: I still hadn't heard from him, and his flight was due, 327 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: I think around one forty, and so I decided to 328 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: go to the airport to meet the plane. He had 329 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: his card, you know, in the long term parking lot there, 330 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: but I still I went with my son to meet 331 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: the plane. I I discot something was wrong and I 332 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: needed to, you know, and I watched every single person 333 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: come off the plane, and it wasn't him. And by 334 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: this time I'm very, very concerned, and I speak with 335 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 1: the gate agent and they checked and he had never 336 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: checked in for his flight, and he wasn't on the flight. 337 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: And then I knew something was, you know, just horrible. 338 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: I going to aunt to ask did he explain why 339 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: he was going to Vegas for three days. Listen, some 340 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: of it was business business? What kind of business? Lands 341 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: you dead? And the trunk of a BMW? I mean, 342 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: doctor jen Man, I'm all for trust. In fact, my 343 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: husband was out of town right now. He had to 344 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: go on a business trip for guess what three days? 345 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: Oh you know what. It just keeps going through my head, 346 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: the three hour tour from Gilligan's Island. Why is there 347 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: was three Something that's something for me to think about 348 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 1: in all my spare time. So, doctor jen Man, when 349 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: do you start checking out what your husband's doing? And 350 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: when do you decide not to worry about it? But 351 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: I think when your gut instinct says, oh, something's wrong. 352 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 1: I'm a big believer in listening to the gut instinct. 353 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 1: And you know, I'm sure we've all read Gavin de 354 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: Becker's book The Gift of Sphere, where he talking about 355 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: that gut instinct tends to be based on a thousand 356 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 1: different things that are unconscious mind picked up. That was 357 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: actually concrete evidence that we haven't fully made sense of. 358 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: And I think that when your gut goes something doesn't 359 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: feel right, that's when you start checking it. Because our 360 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 1: guts tend to be pretty on target when we listen 361 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: and gem And did I ever tell you about the 362 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: time I read my husband's email just for the fun 363 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 1: of it. I thought I was going to die. Oh cool, Never, 364 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: that's a good again, it was awful one business email 365 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 1: after the next. Oh, it's like reading a tax audit. 366 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: Long story short, What business does this guy, a psychiatrist 367 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: have in Vegas? To you? Alexas Terreschuk? Wasn't his practice? 368 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: Wasn't it in California? In practice was in California. He 369 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: had been to Vegas several times for large medical conferences. 370 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: Did you say conferences? Now right there? The hair on 371 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: the back of my neck just goes up, because isn't 372 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 1: it true? Chris Buyers, your former police chief, twenty five 373 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: years on the force. Now you're a PI and I 374 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: bet you do a lot of divorces. How often have 375 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: you heard he went to a conference? Please? Oh? Yes, 376 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: the conference starts lots of problems, for sure. A lot 377 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: of conferences. Sometimes there's not even really a conference. That's 378 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: why you have Google ladies to look up and find 379 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: out if there's a conference. So sometimes he goes for conferences, 380 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: but we find out a lot more was going on 381 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: in Vegas. Take a listen. He had helped a lot 382 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: of women, a lot of people, you know, men and 383 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: women with you know, they were down on their lock 384 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: or you know, he would help them to pay their 385 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: rent or their car payments, or get the medicine that 386 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: they needed. Um, you know, rather than going through and 387 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: I told them, you know, lots of times he probably 388 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 1: would be better off, you know, going through a charity bit. 389 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,719 Speaker 1: Now he would directly help them make sure that, you know, 390 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: they got what they needed. So hold on just a moment, 391 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: Alexis Rush, Chuck, He's not just going to Vegas for 392 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 1: a medical conferences. I'm so glad you tell me about 393 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: the medical conferences. What do you mean by quote helping 394 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: a lot of women, such as with car payments or 395 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: rent sounds like a honey trap. I would usually use 396 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 1: the word sugar daddy in this case. This would be 397 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 1: a wealthy older man taking care of younger women, beautiful 398 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: younger women, And that seemed to be the case here. 399 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: He was paying for multiple women, and she did. His 400 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 1: fiance and long term partner said that there were men too, 401 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: but that he was very, very generous with his money. 402 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: He had plenty of money. He'd worked as a doctor 403 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: for forty years in California, was very wealthy and was 404 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 1: very generous with things that he paid for other people. 405 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: Usually that's called a sugar daddy. You know. Troice Layton, 406 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 1: veteran criminal defense attorney joining me out of LA. Do 407 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: you remember the time in your career that you totally 408 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: realized you were jaded? Because when I hear of this 409 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: renowned psychiatrist helping beautiful, young, glamorous playboy playmates, I immediately 410 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 1: think the worst. Well, he certainly can't accuse him of 411 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: not being a sophisticated individual where he didn't know what 412 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: he was doing. In fact, statements from his long time partner, 413 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: Miss Earp, say that when when she confronted him with 414 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: the over three hundred thousand dollars that he had spent 415 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: over the year, Yeah, I choked on that that he 416 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: said he knew what he was doing and he could 417 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 1: afford it, so he would I get that figure right? 418 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 1: Three hundred thousand dollars, three hundred thousand dollars, And so, Nancy, 419 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,959 Speaker 1: this was not a person who didn't know what he 420 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: was doing him. He was obviously I don't know that 421 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: I was a sophisticated just because you've got an MD 422 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: at the end of your name. If you're supporting women 423 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,479 Speaker 1: in Vegas to the tuna three hundred thousand dollars. As 424 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, I don't think that's smart at all, 425 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: Doctor jen Man. I have a friend, Well, let me 426 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: sign acquiance has a wonderful marriage, leaves the wife because 427 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: he falls in love with a stripper who then uses 428 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: him to pay her children's private school, and then when 429 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: they all graduate, she dumps him. By this time, he's 430 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: lost his marriage, he's lost his stockbroker traitor certificate, he's 431 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: gone bankrupt, and he's living in the basement of a 432 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: college fraternity brother when we believe and ever learn, Yeah, 433 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: I see things like this all the time. You know, 434 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: one of the things which wrong with you people Kendall Crowns, 435 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: Chris Buyers and Troy's Clayton. Do you think the stripper 436 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: is in love with you? Never mind? No, I don't 437 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: think the stripper is in love with me personally. I've 438 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: never been to a strip club my wife for twenty 439 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: five years. Yeah, God bless you, and I've only been 440 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: to strip clubs um with a subpoena in my hand. 441 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: Looking for somebody. And I also went in the daylight 442 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: hours and they're really nasty with delights on. But that's 443 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: a whole nother cannon ORMs. What is wrong with these people? 444 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: Jin Man? No? They what Crowns what I said? No 445 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: one wants to get infotago. I mean, you know, skin 446 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: surface infections. My goodness. Those strip clubs, I'm sure are 447 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: very unclean. Who wants to go in there? Now, there's 448 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: a true expert. He can work in a skin condition 449 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: into a stripper on a pole. Okay, go ahead, jin Man, 450 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: thank you, doctor Crowns. Jen what is wrong with these men? Well, 451 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: I think that you know, I remember a friend kind 452 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: of like you were saying, an acquaintance that I that 453 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: I want to knew who was having an affair with 454 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: a much younger woman, and what he kind of said. 455 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: When I see myself reflective in this young, much younger 456 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,040 Speaker 1: woman's eyes, I feel young. And I think that a 457 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: lot of these men who make choices like this, our 458 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: guys who are feeling the clock ticking, they're feeling they're 459 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: getting older. Alexis Urez Chuck is one of the women 460 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: that he was helping, named Kelsey Turner. Yes, and guys, 461 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: Kelsey Turner, is she or is she not a playboy playmate? 462 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: Alexis she has a playboy model. There's a little bit 463 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: of a difference between the two, and I say potato. 464 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: So you're telling me there's a difference between a playboy 465 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: playmate and a playboy model. Or guess what they don't 466 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: teach that at law school. Take a listen to our 467 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: cut seventeen. This is a friend of Kelsey Turners named 468 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: Logan Kennison speaking to our friends at Access Hollywood reducing 469 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: Tom brush Hard was Kelsey's sugar daddy. I told him, 470 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: I said, you know, like thinking might be taking advantage 471 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: and he said, well that's okay. I can afford it. 472 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: But none of them life this Kelse Turner, Kelsey Turner. 473 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: It's my understanding. Less terres Chuck. They renowned psychiatrist is 474 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: playing not only for an apartment, but at home for 475 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: her and Selena's gip. He was, and he had given 476 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: her money cash over the years, not just a little amount, 477 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: like hundreds of thousands of dollars just to her. Boy, 478 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: that is some friend. Take a listen to our cut ten. 479 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: This is our friends at k SBW. Kelsey Turner no 480 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: stranger to posing for the camera, now posing for her 481 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: criminal mug shot. Accused of brutally beating a man who 482 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: Peter rent and showered her with money about three hundred 483 00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: thousand that I know about, and possibly more, possibly more well, 484 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: take a listen to ks n VNS three Vegas Our 485 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: Cut fourteen. The suspect is twenty five year old Kelsey Turner. 486 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: She was listed as a public figure on Instagram, a 487 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: model and actress with more than one hundred thousand followers. 488 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: What is her relationship with the victim? There is a relationship. 489 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: At this point, the investigation is extremely active and ongoing, 490 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: so I'm not going to get into any specifics regarding them. 491 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: A man who knew the doctor tells the NBC station 492 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: in Monterey Burchard was paying the rent on this home 493 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: in California where Turner, her kids, and her mom once lived, 494 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: and was giving them cash and he were from two 495 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: to four thousand a week easily. He told me. He 496 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: met Kelsey on the website and met up with her, 497 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: and they talked, and they went and had dinner a 498 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: few times, he says. Eventually, Turner and her family were 499 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: evicted when Burchard stopped paying rent. She moved to Las 500 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: Vegas and Burchard went to check on her. Now Turners 501 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: in jail accused of killing him. So he's not only 502 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 1: paying for her house in Selena's her apartment, but for 503 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: her whole family to live there. We'll take a listen 504 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,800 Speaker 1: to what we learn from KSBWR cut thirteen. Let neighbors 505 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: say the actual incident occurred at a residence in the 506 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: Las Vegas Valley and then the body was found out 507 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: by the lake. That home we initially suspected was on 508 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: Puritan Avenue in Las Vegas. That's based on this arrest 509 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:35,280 Speaker 1: record from earlier this year. Then boyfriend arrested for domestic 510 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:39,399 Speaker 1: violence the victim, Turner, with her address listed. I went 511 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: to that home Monday, neighbors confirming with me. Police have 512 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: been to the home several times in the last month, 513 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: including a CSI unit as recent as this past weekend. 514 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 1: The home also matches the neighborhood in Turner's arrest Warren. 515 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,840 Speaker 1: According to that warn't, Las Vegas police say inside the 516 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: home they found Burchard's keys, his vest, and blue latex 517 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,720 Speaker 1: gloves like the I found in the garbage can. Outside 518 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: of the home. Police also found cleaning supplies blood, a 519 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,879 Speaker 1: broken door with blood on it, and towels, the same 520 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 1: towels that matched the ones in the car with Burchard 521 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,959 Speaker 1: Turner's two door BMW. There was blood on the passenger seat, 522 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: the back seat, and in the trunk. That's where Brochard 523 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: was found with wounds that left a unique pattern on him. 524 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,240 Speaker 1: So what do you do with that choice? Lytton, veteran 525 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 1: trial lawyer. Matching towels? Isn't that quiet? The coincidence the 526 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: towels found in the BMW with the dead body and 527 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: all the blood matched the towels in the home. I 528 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,720 Speaker 1: would look at who else had access to the home. 529 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: If I'm defending this playboy model and her boyfriend, I 530 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: would want to also know who else was there, and 531 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: we certainly know that she had roommates in that Las 532 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,839 Speaker 1: Vegas home. Your incredible weren't the only really are incredible? Next, 533 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,240 Speaker 1: you're going to blame the mailman that delivers the mail. 534 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say, hey, hey, anybody 535 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: could buy those towels at Macy's. There's absolutely no connection whatsoever, 536 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,280 Speaker 1: you know, Chris buyers for em Police Chief John's Creek. 537 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: Isn't it amazing? How after someone is found dead in 538 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: another location, someone else turns into a neat nick at home. 539 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: All the bleach, the cleaning supplies, the latex gloves. It's amazing, 540 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 1: isn't it. It just inspires you to what clean your 541 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: bathroom and buy any shower curtain? Yeah? Absolutely, it is 542 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: funny how that happens. And you know, one of the 543 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: things that they just said in that last clip, that 544 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: was Turner's car he was found in. I don't believe 545 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 1: we had touched on that before, so led right back 546 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: to that house and for it to be cleaned up 547 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,320 Speaker 1: so nicely, that does raise some serious questions. Kelsey Turner, 548 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:47,760 Speaker 1: playboy playmate or as Alexa stresscheck says playboy model. Well 549 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,720 Speaker 1: the boyfriend that you are hearing, Chief Chris Buyers referred 550 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: to John Logan. Kennison decided to speak out. Take a 551 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: list to our cut night and our friends at Access Hollywood. 552 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: When they searched the house, they found blood and cleaning supplies. 553 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 1: What do you think happened? According to Penia, Turner and 554 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: Kennison instructed her to clean the house while Thomas waited 555 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 1: in Turner's car hoping to be taken to the hospital. 556 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,240 Speaker 1: She claims it was the last time she saw Thomas alive. 557 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: Kania subsequently played guilty to accessory to murder to Alexis Rushchuk. 558 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: Who is Pinia. She is the roommate. She's a roommate 559 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: who also lived in the house with Kelsey and her boyfriend. 560 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 1: So Kelsey Turner and boyfriend. I wonder how the psychiatrist 561 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: felt about that, the boyfriend, John Logan Kennison. They come 562 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 1: home with a lot of cleaning supplies and say clean 563 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,880 Speaker 1: up pronto, and apparently she does well. Take us to 564 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: our cut eighteen. This is Logan Kennison again, right or 565 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: wrong speaking to access Hollywood. Can you just walk me 566 00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 1: through the day as you remember it. Kennison claims that 567 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,800 Speaker 1: at some point during the gathering, an altercation occurred between 568 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 1: the couple's roommate, Diana Penya and Thomas. Did you leave 569 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:19,319 Speaker 1: in Kelsey's car? How do you think that Tom's good 570 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 1: body ended up in the trunk of Kelsey's car. You're 571 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 1: saying Diana killed doctor Brusher. Sounds like Troy Slayton. They 572 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,800 Speaker 1: took a page out of your book. Who's left standing? 573 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 1: The roommate blame her, but she took a cheap deal 574 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 1: a successory. So where does that leave the playboy playmate 575 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 1: and the lover pointing the finger at her? She obviously 576 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 1: took a deal in order to save her own skin, 577 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 1: So I would argue that she can't be trusted. She can't, 578 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 1: she can't she pled guilty. You want to trust the 579 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 1: playboy playmate sleeping with a with a psychiatrist with a 580 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,879 Speaker 1: boyfriend into we have somebody who pled guilty to accessory 581 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 1: to murder and exchanged her truthful testimony in exchange for 582 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: a sweetheart deal. You know I'm not so shamed about 583 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 1: in her skin? Can correct me? Tell me again? Troice Layton? 584 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,879 Speaker 1: Whose car was he found in? He was found in 585 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:32,799 Speaker 1: the Playboy playmates? I bet that her to spit it out? 586 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:38,040 Speaker 1: Didn't it? Um? And how is he sleeping flame somebody? Nancy? 587 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 1: If I wanted to frame somebody, where would I want 588 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,360 Speaker 1: to put some Only does the roommate, with no motive 589 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 1: at all, hide the dead body? Oh? She now thinks 590 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: of framing her roommate. Okay, hold on, let me think 591 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 1: this thing through. So if the roommate did it, why 592 00:39:55,719 --> 00:40:03,240 Speaker 1: didn't Kelsey Turner reported to nine one one, um, thank scared? Scared? Scared? Yes, okay, 593 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 1: sar fitting together. So Alexis terres shut, what's the evidence 594 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,760 Speaker 1: against the playboy playmate? Excuse me model? Well, the evidence 595 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 1: is is that the roommate was there in the house 596 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 1: and she said that doctor Burchard was Actually she didn't 597 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 1: see it happened, but he was somehow hit in the 598 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 1: head and he was bleeding at their house, and so 599 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,400 Speaker 1: she said, and he said he needed to go to 600 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 1: the doctor. And so she saw him get in the car, 601 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,360 Speaker 1: and she saw Kelsey and her boyfriend Logan get in 602 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 1: the car, and that was the last time that she 603 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:41,399 Speaker 1: saw the doctor alive. Quick couple of questions. Alexis terrest 604 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,320 Speaker 1: think of this as a lightning round. Who was a 605 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,800 Speaker 1: doctor sleeping with Kelsey Kelsey Turner? He was paying for Kelsey, 606 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,839 Speaker 1: and he was paying for her house and was paying 607 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,719 Speaker 1: for a car. I don't know that he was necessarily okay, 608 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: So he was paying for her house and Selenas and 609 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,960 Speaker 1: her apartment and her BMW car payment, but yet not 610 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 1: sleeping with her, okay, And who had he just cut 611 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:12,800 Speaker 1: off financially? Kelsey Kelsey, a former playboy model sentenced to 612 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 1: at least ten years in prison. In the last days 613 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 1: after she copped a plea and the beating death of 614 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 1: a renowned California psychiatrist. Take a listen to our friends 615 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,719 Speaker 1: at Fox. A former playboy model learned her fading court 616 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 1: today for killing a California psychiatrist under a plea deal. 617 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,839 Speaker 1: Kelsey Turner was sentenced to ten to twenty five years 618 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,000 Speaker 1: in prison. Turner pleaded guilty to second degree murderer in 619 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 1: the twenty nineteen deadly beating the doctor Thomas Burchard. She 620 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: entered what is known as an Alfred plea meeting. She 621 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,280 Speaker 1: only admitted that prosecutors had enough evidence to prove her guilt. 622 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: Birchard's body was found in the trunk of an abandoned 623 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:56,239 Speaker 1: car near Lake Mead. Ten to twenty five. They'll let 624 00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:02,239 Speaker 1: her out early, I guarantee you. What a shame, What 625 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 1: a shame. Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend.