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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast loves the Star Wars franchise.

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Speaker 1: We welcome to another episode of the Around the NFL

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Speaker 1: Podcast of Greg Rosenthal sitting in for Dan Hansas. Our

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Speaker 1: humble host has gone, but you know who else isn't gone?

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Speaker 1: A room filled with some heroes all across the globe.

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Speaker 1: Mark Sessler and Patrick Claibon in Los Angeles. What's happening? Jen's, well,

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Speaker 1: you're satisfying that around the globe portion, Mark, Mark around

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Speaker 1: the same place. You're not about drive from Claibon. So

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Speaker 1: it would be cool though, if you guys were together

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Speaker 1: at Claibon's house, that would have like really surprised me

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Speaker 1: if you just had your arm around you. Not that

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Speaker 1: you guys aren't friendly, but it just would have been

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Speaker 1: a first for this podcast. But we're setting other bounds

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Speaker 1: here with me. It's Friday morning here in Tokyo. It's

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Speaker 1: Thursday afternoon, three pm. In Los Angeles. It's six pm.

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Speaker 1: Where Dan is about to attend or at a Yankees

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Speaker 1: Red's game. To hope him and the boys have fun

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Speaker 1: there we were, we were together Claibon and I think

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Speaker 1: Mark might have been there too, on the day that

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Speaker 1: Andrew Luck retired, and that's uh, that's part of what

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about this episode. Was Zach Kiefer

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Speaker 1: from The Athletic coming on to talk about his pod

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Speaker 1: series that I remember that that day, Well, when Andrew

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Speaker 1: Luck retired, you were you were hosting a housewarming party. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we were having a shrimp boil and things good, Things

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Speaker 1: were good, Drinks were flowing, and then everybody started looking

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Speaker 1: an hour and a half was breaking. Actually, I unfortunately

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Speaker 1: did not attend that party on but but what I

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Speaker 1: how I tracked that party was because I was home.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking I was not feeling too well, So

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Speaker 1: I was home on the couch, you know, just tracking

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Speaker 1: Twitter when the news broke and then obviously the world froze.

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Speaker 1: But suddenly like a flood text from every other person

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Speaker 1: in NFL media from Clay Ban's yard, tweeting photos from

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Speaker 1: various angles of the yard of everyone else in n

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Speaker 1: NFL media looking at their phones about the Andrew Luck news.

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Speaker 1: So is this just like event inside the event? I know,

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Speaker 1: we've we've done this show so long now we started

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Speaker 1: like histories that are encompassed entirely while we've started doing

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Speaker 1: this podcast. Andrew lux career isn't exactly that. I started

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Speaker 1: but the podcast didn't started, uh until a a year later.

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Speaker 1: But it's it's crazy to think back. But what you

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Speaker 1: being happy I was there. I was not long for

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Speaker 1: that party. Uh my on Walker, you know when he

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Speaker 1: didn't stay there for too long. But either way, you

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Speaker 1: gave me a good out not to go have to

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Speaker 1: fire off words for for Ali Bun Purry. That's what

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Speaker 1: I do. That's what I do, gret. I just give

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Speaker 1: I would tell you one little note about that and

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Speaker 1: we'll get into zact. But being at home that Colts

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Speaker 1: was like you would have known after. But Schefter tweeted

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Speaker 1: that as the news job Graver. I mean Hunter Renfro,

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Speaker 1: July Friday. I'm already there. I'm on July. I am

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Speaker 1: in the future. By the time you listen to this,

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Speaker 1: from the future that none of these franchise tag guys

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Speaker 1: you questionable use of your power. It could it could

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Speaker 1: And if you're not familiar, there's a deadline July fifteenth.

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Speaker 1: so you you should have your left tackle on pay

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Speaker 1: don't think it's a quick fix though, Greg, do you

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Speaker 1: The player doesn't really have any leverage. Yeah, he'll get

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Speaker 1: offseason and now you have Sean Payton's and I mean,

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Speaker 1: I have to believe Sean Payton completely knew this was coming.

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Speaker 1: This this whisper campaign draped over your first season as

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Speaker 1: a head coach. So it's a little bit of a mess.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I to me, I feel like Steven Ross.

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Speaker 1: He gets these big ideas sometimes, um, and he could

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Speaker 1: be someone that maybe would fall for that kind. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying your fault more. Sean Payton is an

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Speaker 1: excellent coach, but it would be a shame that someone,

436
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Speaker 1: even if they fared pretty well, we're bounced after year one. Um,

437
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Speaker 1: to get the bigger prize in Sean Payton. But that's

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Speaker 1: how it goes. Yeah, It's it's Sean and Company playing

439
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 1: the Game of Thrones, right, um, and not only tying

440
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Speaker 1: yourself to these teams, but tying yourself within those divisions

441
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Speaker 1: as well as if to say, hey, um, I might

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Speaker 1: be coaching here and you can just imagine that the money. Uh,

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Speaker 1: It's it's like the worst kept secret in the world

444
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Speaker 1: that he's going to be somewhere. Uh. And that's what

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00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: you even said it. In his his press conference retiring

446
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 1: from the Saints, he actually said, I see myself in

447
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Speaker 1: football again. It might be on the sideline. Uh Like

448
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 1: so that that was pretty even even in that press

449
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Speaker 1: comm It might be on the sideline next year, like

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Speaker 1: he admitted it. Even then. If you're Mike McCarthy, doesn't

451
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Speaker 1: it just feel like you're you're with someone that you

452
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Speaker 1: knew you're just like, I'm hanging on for dear life.

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Speaker 1: I know we're breaking up at some point I will

454
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Speaker 1: be dumped for this ex boyfriend, Sean Payton type character

455
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Speaker 1: that the Cowboys have been infatuated with, Jerry Jones infatuated with.

456
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Speaker 1: It's like you know it's coming, It's gonna happen. Be

457
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Speaker 1: the Cowboys coach. It's like Mike McCarthy just go through

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Speaker 1: the motions for the next nine months, have a good time,

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Speaker 1: especially considering right, because during Mike McCarthy's time away from coaching,

460
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Speaker 1: where he he became a computer right, and he was

461
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: analytics man, he's he's ran the numbers and he knows, right,

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy knows it's not like a clock. Um. He's

463
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Speaker 1: perfectly well aware of watching this situation. And and that's okay, right,

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Speaker 1: He's he's got a ring. He got the coach the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys for a couple of years. And if it, if

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Speaker 1: it goes soll to go south, he's getting paid, right.

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Speaker 1: What some some team that has a good quarterback that's

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Speaker 1: expected to do well will be a disappointment this year.

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Speaker 1: It might not be the Chargers or the Dolphins or

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys, if you want to throw them in there.

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Speaker 1: It might be some other team and and they will

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Speaker 1: watch on Payton. But I'd be a little worried because

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Speaker 1: it said, I'm reading from the article here, Mark, you

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Speaker 1: mentioned the warm weather that being a fact. Now, okay,

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Speaker 1: uh quote, having a good quarterback would be helpful, but

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Speaker 1: that isn't the number one or number two factor the

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Speaker 1: associate and says, okay. On a much lower scale, the

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Speaker 1: close associate said he would also Sean Payton prefer to

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Speaker 1: work in a market where he could golf some what right, right?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess he wants it to be like

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Speaker 1: you know, in the winter, probably too during the season.

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Speaker 1: I would guess, of course they throw in the caveat

483
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Speaker 1: those work ethic in long hours largely limit these opportunities

484
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Speaker 1: to the offset reminding me a little bit. And there's

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Speaker 1: no one more similar in the last fifteen years to

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Speaker 1: build Parcels to me than Sean Payton, who was his mentor.

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Speaker 1: And it is giving me Bill Parcels getting that final

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Speaker 1: paycheck in Miami vibes. And I know Parcels wasn't coaching

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Speaker 1: at the time, but golf was a big priority for

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Speaker 1: him at the time too, And that was a fiasco

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Speaker 1: where he got like the biggest payday of his career

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Speaker 1: and gave very little in return. And I and I

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Speaker 1: don't think Sean Payton would be quite like that, but

494
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Speaker 1: he is getting closer to sixties. And if golf is

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Speaker 1: mentioned in the article, that's a red flag I don't

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Speaker 1: want him. I mean, Parcels only took that Cowboys job

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Speaker 1: prior to the Dolphins one to pay off his divorce,

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Speaker 1: So I mean, not only, but that was a large

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Speaker 1: motivating factor. Guy, you're you're breaking the myth for me.

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Speaker 1: Bill Parcels only worked super hard and he was super

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Speaker 1: about the game and motivation. You're telling me he was

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Speaker 1: just a person. He's just a selfish guy. Who who

503
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Speaker 1: are guests earlier in this offseason, Mike West tough had

504
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 1: some had some rough things to say about including off air.

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Speaker 1: We we can't we can't repeat that, but I do

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Speaker 1: apologize claim and I cut you off in the middle

507
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Speaker 1: of that. But that is the first time someone's ever

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Speaker 1: cut you off from Tokyo live on air. So that's great.

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Speaker 1: We're breaking new Yet I don't mind cut me off whenever. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what. By the way, you're wearing a

511
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Speaker 1: plaine white tea. Are plain white tees making a comeback

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Speaker 1: right now? Because I've been wearing a lot of plain

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Speaker 1: white teeth. I've been wearing plain black teas for about

514
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Speaker 1: ten years, and I did decide this summer it's like

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00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: time to mix it up now. It's all about the

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Speaker 1: plane white tea. It's the color temperature of the sunlight

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Speaker 1: coming through. It's actually a light blue. So when you

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Speaker 1: say that, I can see that. I would have thought

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Speaker 1: it was white too. But you're right, and don't take

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00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: fashion cues from for me, Greg, I know nothing about fashion.

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Speaker 1: I actually rejected as a concept, So I just put

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Speaker 1: the shirt on because it's comfortable. Well, I'm color blind,

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Speaker 1: and my family rejects me as a concept for that reason.

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Speaker 1: Many times they make fun of me. It's really I'm

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Speaker 1: really in the like my kids are in the middle

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Speaker 1: of their childhood and their dad is the butt of

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Speaker 1: all jokes, like section of my life, so that that's

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Speaker 1: what this track. I think color blindness is often funny

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Speaker 1: to children too, so that that that adds to it.

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Speaker 1: All Right, a couple of more quick news items before

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Speaker 1: we get to Zach Kiefer and talk Colts, and we'll

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Speaker 1: talk Andrew Luck and Colts. By the way with them,

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Speaker 1: Baker's Progressive Ads are over. I thought that was just

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Speaker 1: a note where they we taped our last show before

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Speaker 1: Baker had a media availability with the Panthers. Nothing big

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Speaker 1: came out of that. He sort of, um, I guess

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Speaker 1: would set all the right things if you think there

538
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: is such a thing about the brown didn't didn't get

539
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: too spicy. But the most notable thing for me was

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Speaker 1: he did confirm the Progressive Ads are over that he

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Speaker 1: had pitched an idea to Progressive of doing like some

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Speaker 1: moving out of the stadium, which I I, you don't

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Speaker 1: blame him. He's one of the finest actors of our generation.

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Speaker 1: And uh, I think the idea would have worked, but

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Speaker 1: Progressive said, no, Mark, are you and your children disappointed

546
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: mine are they love those ads? Um I I grew

547
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: to not like them because I think the thing and

548
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: I think Claybold and I've talked about this before, we're like, um,

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Speaker 1: these ads need to be scaled down when the players

550
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: going through like a traumatic season where it's like, oh,

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00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: your team's down thirty to seven, and now here's a

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00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: whimsical ad about you eating breakfast with Bernie Kozar in

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Speaker 1: the in the stands. I don't like. I don't need that.

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Speaker 1: So it's like the less the more. The other thing

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Speaker 1: is we will talking and Threw Luck In a minute

556
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Speaker 1: in one of those great six episode pods that Jack did,

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Speaker 1: I'd mentioned that Andrew Luck is a first round pick,

558
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 1: simply refused and turned down millions and millions of of

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Speaker 1: of national ad dollars because he's like, I'm not doing

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00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 1: this till I know I'm a good quarterback in the NFL.

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00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, that's the other way to go. I mean, Baker,

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00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: you know that rookie season I think set him up

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Speaker 1: to fly as a as a national sponsor. But um,

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00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: I thought they were often egg in the face compared

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Speaker 1: to what was happening with the team on the field

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Speaker 1: outside of that playoff here, which is why you shoot

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Speaker 1: two commercials, right, every commercial we have a good and

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Speaker 1: I'm bad, and you roll the bad commercials, the games

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Speaker 1: bad and the good commercials the game is good. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think it's kind of the theme of the off

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Speaker 1: season is people not wanting Baker anymore and the progressive

572
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: to be that final strike in that aspect that that

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Speaker 1: had to be tough for I think it was good

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Speaker 1: though that first of all, take take the money. There's

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Speaker 1: an argument to be made to take it because you

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Speaker 1: don't know, and you know your opportunities might be in

577
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Speaker 1: a certain window for every one could be Andrew Luck

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00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,239
Speaker 1: on the purity scale with that too, I get that,

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Speaker 1: but didn't didn't somebody complain about Luck doing our commercial

580
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: in his rookie year. I feel like that was a story,

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00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: but you know, they did try to compare and as

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Speaker 1: Mark mentioned, ZAX podcast kind of broke up this dichademic

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Speaker 1: people concluding West a little bit. I remember, or I

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Speaker 1: think we talked about in the podcast, would talk about

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Speaker 1: how much r G three had a million ads that

586
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Speaker 1: but maybe maybe there was one also Luck might have

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Speaker 1: known his strength and weaknesses like Baker was smart to

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Speaker 1: do that because I think he might have set up

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Speaker 1: future work. Uh, whether it's an advertising or just acting.

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00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: I think Andrew luck knew that probably wasn't gonna be

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Speaker 1: his strength as an actor on commercials. He probably would

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Speaker 1: have been awkward, and uh, it's fine. I also like

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Speaker 1: Baker's total I wouldn't say disregardle of Sam Donald. They

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Speaker 1: talked about, you know, competition all this, but he made

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Speaker 1: it very clear that he expects to start Week one

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Speaker 1: against the Browns. Uh, and he's looking forward to that game,

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00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: which is sort of putting Donald to the side. And UM,

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't blame him too much for that confidence.

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00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: I think we'll be starting that game too. Uh. Final

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Speaker 1: couple of stories quick when Rodney Hudson's future is up

601
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: in the air in Arizona. I only threw this one

602
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Speaker 1: out there because A he's like a really good center

603
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: and was key to their season last year. But be

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Speaker 1: the it was interesting to me how social media can

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Speaker 1: shape a story. They sent out, uh a tweet this

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Speaker 1: week that said like getting ready for the two season,

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Speaker 1: like ready to protect or whatever, and they just sent

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Speaker 1: out their four starting offensive lineman without Rodney Hudson. Maybe

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Speaker 1: don't send that. Maybe you don't send that tweet because

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00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: it's people didn't need justin pew in a hype tweet

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Speaker 1: on July twelve. Uh, they sent out the four, but

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Speaker 1: they left Hudson out. It's just like, no just sending

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Speaker 1: out one of them. Send out Calvin Beacham by himself.

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Speaker 1: So they said not the four without Hudson, and uh,

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Speaker 1: I think Pro Football Talk was the one that noticed this,

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Speaker 1: so I'll give them credit on that. Uh. They also

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Speaker 1: are in the practice of sending out happy birthday tweets

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Speaker 1: and uh, Hudson shared a birthday with another member of

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Speaker 1: the roster. I need to I should find it now,

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00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: but familiar. I wasn't familiar with this man, but he

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Speaker 1: shared a birthday with him. They sent out the birthday

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Speaker 1: tweet to him, but not to Rodney Hudson, whose birthday

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Speaker 1: was also that same day, Tuesday. So something's going on there.

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Speaker 1: It's just something to watch. It's actually one of the

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00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: only contractual or disagreement sort of battles I think that

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Speaker 1: might go into the season. It's very rare that actually happens.

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Speaker 1: But it wouldn't surprise me if this, if if we

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00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: mentioned this as an aside on August that this is

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Speaker 1: still happening, and in one little note, because I mean,

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Speaker 1: we know the Cardinals were hot on we were hot

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Speaker 1: on their trail out of the gate last year. I

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00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,239
Speaker 1: thought they were fascinating and they really crumbled. But a

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Speaker 1: big part of it, beyond you know, the injury to

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins, was when Rodney Hudson went out. They won

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Speaker 1: the first two games, like one against the Houston Texans,

636
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Speaker 1: and they beat up on the Browns and the Browns

637
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: were in a bad spot. Then they lost the next

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Speaker 1: three without Rodney Hudson and he was a huge part

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Speaker 1: of it. And so they don't really have anyone on

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Speaker 1: the roster right now to fill in for him. So

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Speaker 1: I do wonder, because we wondered what if J. C.

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Speaker 1: Treader might wind up somewhere, They're gonna have to find

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Speaker 1: someone to replace them because that's a major gaping hole

644
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: for the ten million dollars. So they should just either

645
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: figure out what's going on. I'm get seen he wants

646
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: to be paid more, which makes sense considering what centers

647
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: are making. He's one of the best ones out there.

648
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: But well, there's Chuck Harrison USA today had a tweet

649
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: said followed up on Rodney Hudson's status, asked if he

650
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Speaker 1: was done in Arizona, was told believe so. So I

651
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: don't know if it's just simply a quick fix with money.

652
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: We'll see by the way that the other player, I

653
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: shouldn't disrespect this man, Masi Sanders, who's it was a

654
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: third round draft pick this year, a linebacker. Um, so

655
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: you know, has a promising career and does deserve to

656
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: be wished a happy birthday like right, so happy birthday

657
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: right to mass I. I just want to say, like

658
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: we're like a lower level player. He's no wonder, we

659
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: don't know him. He's a third round rookie, hasn't hasn't

660
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: played quite yet. Finally, Mitchell Schwartz has retired. Happy trails

661
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: to him one of the best right tackles of his generation.

662
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: Miss last year really a back injury ended his career

663
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: a little early, but he had a great run there

664
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Speaker 1: with the Browns. And then Levian Bell says he's sitting

665
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: out two to focus on boxing. He's boxing Adrian Peterson

666
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: coming up, Clay Bron something I never thought i'd say.

667
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: I guess like someday we'll have like a we'll talk

668
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: about Levan Bell's retirement, but this feels like this is

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Speaker 1: basically the end of his career. What a weird career,

670
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: but four three or four years one of the most

671
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: dynamic running backs I've ever seen in my entire life.

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00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: He would be in he'd been at his peak, I

673
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: would say top five running back I've seen in the

674
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: last fifteen years. And which, right, is another reason to

675
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: hate the tag, because we really got robbed of a

676
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: season of Levian Bell when he was at his peak. Um,

677
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: and it would have been nice to to watch a

678
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: really good football player play football, but there was this

679
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: opportunity to not pay him, and so they took it. Yeah.

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00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: He he sort of expressed some regret. I think about that.

681
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if you would say regret, but he

682
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: he said he would handle some things differently on Twitter

683
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: this week, and when it came to if he could

684
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Speaker 1: go back and do it again, I don't. I don't

685
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: know what that well, and the way he said it, Gregg,

686
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: you said, like if I had a legit time machine

687
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: to go back to, that would be so lit. That's

688
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: when he That's when he put in his retirement statements,

689
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 1: which a lot of people would take that opportunity, all right,

690
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: short of erasing children right now, I would I feel

691
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: the hands of time bearing down on me more every day.

692
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: I'm definitely gonna be one of those older people that

693
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: just thinks about death all the time because I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: forty three. Now It's okay. I think it's a way

695
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: to enjoy life while you're here, to like be appreciative

696
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,959
Speaker 1: of of every day is be conscious that it won't

697
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: last forever. But forty three is at the point where

698
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: it's like, well, you do the math and there's a

699
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 1: solid you know, there's a there's always a solid chance

700
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: you're more than halfway. But even if you have good health,

701
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: like you might be after halftime here, you you might

702
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: have just you know, they might have just done the

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Speaker 1: halftime show. You might be like starting that first third

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Speaker 1: quarter drive something like that. I'm just these were played on.

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00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: These were the type of pep talks that Greg would

706
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: give me when he was my supervisor back in the

707
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: day that just I kind of get you, you know,

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00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: ready to roll, just like you don't know how many

709
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: more seasons you're gonna have. Mark, let's really write up

710
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: this story on ben Hart socks training camp injury. All right,

711
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 1: that was the news. That's it. Let's take a quick

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Speaker 1: break and then we'll get to Zach Keeper. I'm Zach

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Speaker 1: Keeper from The Athletic and I'm the host of a

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Speaker 1: new podcast series called Luck. It's the Andrew Luck Story

715
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: as you've never heard it. The series looks to answer

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00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: this question, how did the greatest quarterback prospects since John Elway,

717
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: the very player the Colts moved on from Peyton Manning

718
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Speaker 1: for end up walking away from the game before he

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00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: was thirty years old. All right, we are excited to

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Speaker 1: welcome in Zack Keefer. You know, I let into the

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Speaker 1: break kind of with some existentialist talk. What is life

722
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: really mean? How do you maximize that time? Do you

723
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: do it through finding meaning through work? I do? I mean,

724
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: I at least feel like that's an important part of life,

725
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: Otherwise it would be too much time to kill. I

726
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: think Zach Kiefer being here talking about Andrew Luck is

727
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: the perfect guy to let us know, because when I

728
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 1: think Andrew Luck weirdly, I think he brings up Zach

729
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: more existentialist questions than most NFL superstars of the last

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Speaker 1: You know, a couple of decades. Let me ask you

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Speaker 1: guys this. So when you heard there's a six part

732
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: series coming out on Andrew Luck three years after you retired,

733
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: he hasn't said a word in retirement. Like, what's your

734
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: first reaction? Is it like curiosity? Is it disdain? Is

735
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: it ambivalence? Like should people care about him? I'm just curious,

736
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Speaker 1: what do you guys think? You know? I I, Um,

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00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: I knew we were doing this today, so I had

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Speaker 1: a big wide birth of time because we're doing the

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Speaker 1: show much later than we normally do. And I was like,

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Speaker 1: I want to uh research this properly, and it was

741
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: it was you, and you've done great work with us

742
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: in the past, and you're in your peace on s.

743
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: I knew from a writing and research angle that you

744
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: were going to deliver. Um. I found myself initially being like,

745
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like I know everything about it.

746
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: Not everything, but I kind of have a sense of

747
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck. And it was around episode two point five,

748
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: and I will show you something right here. I don't

749
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: know if you can see this, but this is like

750
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: my little tracker that shows how long I walked today.

751
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: I put on the air pods and walked four point

752
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: five Miles just listening to these episodes back to back,

753
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: because I think it became more and more layered, and

754
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: I just find Andrew Luck a perfect contrast of the

755
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: modern day quarterback who is not just a robot stuck

756
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: in the game, um, but beyond that, you really hit

757
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: on from a football side, which I kind of think

758
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: I forgot about because he retired at a young age,

759
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: and you start to have an idea of Andrew Luck

760
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: maybe not loving the game as the next person. It

761
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: was to Quell Jackson who said, outside of Frank Gore,

762
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: no one had a greater passion for football. No one

763
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: found more joining it, and that is competitive nature. I

764
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: think there was the line about the monster that lurks

765
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: within from David From David Shaw, like, I mean all

766
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: the stuff I found out from a football angle, but

767
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: also the personal angle. It's like it is a must

768
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: listen if you want to just deep dive on the

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00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: life of an NFL quarterback that made a really unusual decision. Yeah,

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00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: that's a great point. Mark, Like, there's this great duality

771
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: with Andrew Luck, right, like does he love football? He

772
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: walked away young, But like you just heard from JaQuel Jackson,

773
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: like Andrew Luck loved football so much that it made

774
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: him question if he loved football enough. And he was

775
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: a ten year linebacker in the league, and he ran

776
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,919
Speaker 1: counter to all these stereotypes, like he was this star

777
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: quarterback in Texas, but like he was the valedictorian and

778
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: he went to Stanford and he was an architecture major

779
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: and he didn't really care if he won the Heisman.

780
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: And then he was in the NFL and he had

781
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: this little velcro wallet with his college logo on it.

782
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: He was a millionaire and he had this bevel crow wallet.

783
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: He had a flip phone, and everyone knows about the

784
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: flip phone. But like his teammates would get piste off

785
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: because they would send him pictures and they he couldn't

786
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: open up the pictures, like he he genuinely, he genuinely

787
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: didn't care about the nonsense, Like he just didn't and

788
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: he cared about football. And there's this great Matt Hasselbout quote.

789
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: He said, like a lot of guys in this league

790
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: just love being in the NFL. Not all of them

791
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: love football. There's a difference, and Luck was the latter.

792
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 1: He loved football and his career is just I think

793
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: the podcast does two things if it does it well.

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00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: It it explores the personality and how he's unique, and

795
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: it also explores his career, the Peyton Manning thing and that,

796
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: and that's really unique to to me. Yeah, it's it's

797
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: an opportunity to to not just look at Andrew Luck

798
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: in his career, but football and the way that we

799
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: perceive it, right. And what got me interested was the

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00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: first ad that I that I heard and shout out

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00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: right to you know, Zack if you were part of

802
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: putting it together, because it immediately got to the core

803
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: of me. Right, what if the Colts had protected Andrew

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00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: Luck and this uniquely gifted football player that we were

805
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: able to watch, but so many different aspects were striking

806
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: against the person that he is, um and there was

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00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 1: this whole conversation about the player and the way he

808
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: went about it and like what loving football actually is.

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00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: But Andrew never got to be a part of that discussion, right,

810
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: and so like to have him be able to be

811
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: a part of that after the fact, I think it's

812
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: good because it's there are so many different things that

813
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: go into this game from a player's perspective that that

814
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: we don't really get because of the atmosphere and attitude

815
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: surrounding the game, and so anytime that we can turn

816
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: and look at football in the mirror is a good

817
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: opportunity that we should take. Oh yeah, I mean to

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Speaker 1: answer your question, Zach, I was like, oh, this is

819
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: a great idea of and I mean because he's one

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00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: of the most fascinating characters and that we've had in

821
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: the NFL. Because he was one of the most fascinating

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00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 1: players unfortunately, just the way my simple mind works, and

823
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: probably there's other people like it. If he wasn't one

824
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: of the most dynamic, exciting players on the field, and

825
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 1: I would put him right there to me with Patrick

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00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: Mahomes and Lamar Jackson. It's just like as a player,

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00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: just as exciting as any player. Justin Herbert I'd throw

828
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: in there now too. As just that that I've seen

829
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: come into the league in last fifteen years, maybe I'm

830
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: not quite as interested, even though I know he's so

831
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: interesting as a person and he's a unique guy. But

832
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: but the fact that he was that good, that he

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00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: gave that much joy to me watching it, thought well,

834
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 1: this is perfect, And I thought of Wes and and

835
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: it's interesting because you know, listeners might not be familiar.

836
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: Zach wrote a great piece about West and the athletic

837
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: and we talked to him um for a long time

838
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: about that, and he did a great job with that.

839
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: So we associate Zach with West too, But I associate

840
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: h Andrew Luck with West because not only was West

841
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: like a huge, huge fan of Luck as a player,

842
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,919
Speaker 1: immediately he was sort of fascinated by him. I think

843
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: he saw the story of Luck as fascinated and I

844
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: think he saw him as the next great NFL player

845
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: from minute one. I started doing this article called QB

846
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: Index in twenty twelve, and it was just following that

847
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: Rocky Draft class. I watched everything and he was such

848
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: a fascinating player. So I put that all together and

849
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm I was glad you were doing it.

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00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: And even then, to Mark's point, I I sort of

851
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: felt like I knew Luck, but I kind of forgot

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00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: the timeline of it all, you know. I forgot how

853
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: strange it was that it was the calf and the

854
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: ankle injury, and how surprising that was, and how umen

855
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: season when he came back from those two lost years,

856
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: really almost three lost years to to injury that that

857
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: affected him, how great he was in and that's what

858
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: made the retirement all the more stunning. And so I

859
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: I was relearning things, but I had really forgotten how

860
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: crazy and how condensed the timeline of it was covering him,

861
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: uh in in person, Zach, I know I'm going on here,

862
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: but I kind of want to get back to something

863
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: Mark said, which was the dichotomy of just like what

864
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,280
Speaker 1: it was like covering him, And I'm kind of thinking

865
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: before the injuries came up that like he was like

866
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: a cocky m fer on the field, you know, and

867
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: sort of what that the economy was like, where like

868
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: it was such a different person off the field. But

869
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: he's like he played like a cocky guy. Like he

870
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: played like he thought he was the best player in

871
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 1: the league. When he was on the field, he couldn't

872
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: hide that. That's the great contradiction, right. He's this goofy

873
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 1: nerdy architecture major who has this goofy laugh and would

874
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: use words like modus operandi and perpetuity and press conferences

875
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,959
Speaker 1: and then after the press conference gaggle breaks up, he'd

876
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: come up to me and say, Hey, did I use

877
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: that right? Like I've been waiting weeks to try and

878
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 1: use that I'm like, you're the weirdest dude. And then

879
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: you hear David Shaw describe him as this as this

880
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: monster who's gonna kill you and then step over you

881
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 1: after he killed you. And you know, there's the scenes

882
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: from his first game at Stanford when he runs right

883
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: into the safety when he's supposed to go out of

884
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: bounce and he runs off the field and he goes,

885
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, I'm supposed to avoid

886
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: the contact, and Shaw was like, yeah, we we designed

887
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: place so you don't get hit, and He's like, I

888
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: just had to get hit, man, I just had to

889
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: get hit. So like both of those things were at war.

890
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: And and it's really like the story of his career

891
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: is this like goofy nerve. But inside he was kind

892
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: of like this beast who could have played tight end,

893
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: could have played linebacker. I mean he would drill linebackers

894
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: to the turf and then help them up off the

895
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: field and say good hit, like we're gonna we're gonna

896
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: see another Andrew look like he was. He was one

897
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: of a kind in a lot of ways. And and

898
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: I'm not allowed to take my reporter hat off, but

899
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: let's just say I did back in the day. It's

900
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: fun as hell to watch that dude play. Like those

901
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: teams were not good. That cold team was not good

902
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 1: in they won eleven games seven at the Buzzer because

903
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: this rookie quarterback was insane. I think one thing that

904
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: you um really educate people onto, because no injuries are

905
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 1: more hidden in the NFL than quarterback injuries in general.

906
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: You find out later that you know someone was playing

907
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: with this le malady that for they could barely walk

908
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: and they two to Andrew lux recovery was almost done

909
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: in covert fashion where he'd be in before other players,

910
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: taking every type of shot and they you know, they

911
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: would be a fraternity where normally they would say I'm

912
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: going through something and you know it, but in this

913
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: case it was very much hush hush, and you described

914
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: in words a couple of times that at the end

915
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: you saw a man who had been drowning for four

916
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: years through this pain and that the fun, all this

917
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: joy that he brought, the Frank Gore level joy turned

918
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: into a daily hell. And I really learned from that,

919
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: and I do wonder just because I also found out

920
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: that um, he and I went to the same school

921
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: in England that American school. I mean, and he and

922
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: his whole childhood was so different. Like the little nugget

923
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: about watching Adam Vinitari in in a in a World

924
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: League game and then in his first ever win as

925
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: a starter, Adam Vinitary seventeen year later is kicking the

926
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: field goal he just had. His dad had a lot

927
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,479
Speaker 1: to do with that too, But his childhood, his early path,

928
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: did that contribute it all to making peace with an

929
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: early retirement versus I'm just gonna gut this out for

930
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: more money and just do what I can to do.

931
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: Don't you think it did? I do? Don't you think

932
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: that shaped everything? Like you heard TV the Pritchard who

933
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: was the quarterback at Stanford that lost his job to

934
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: Andrew be like make pop culture references when Andrew was

935
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: in college. And Andrews like, what are you talking about?

936
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: Like he was reading the Game of Thrones books before

937
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: it was even a show. Like he it's just different

938
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: like I was when I met with him a couple

939
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: of months ago. You know, I was reading this book

940
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm gonna get him, Like I'm gonna

941
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: name this book he's never heard of and I and

942
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: I named it, and he's like, oh, he named the

943
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: author right away, And I'm like, man, like, you know,

944
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: like you can't even get that past him. And and

945
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: I think I think it plays into everything. He was

946
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: very worldly like his his his view of vacation is

947
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: very different from what an NFL player's view is. And

948
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: and I remember looking at him that night, the night

949
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: he retired, and it wasn't just a physical pain. He

950
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 1: was mentally beaten down. And it made me think, like

951
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: what are these guys owe us? What do they owe

952
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: the fans? What do they owe the league? Do they

953
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: owe this idea that they're supposed to play as long

954
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: as they can and they're supposed to, you know, y

955
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 1: a tittle walk off the field, blood dripping down their forehead,

956
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: Like what are they supposed to? What's the script? And this,

957
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: this career didn't follow the script. And I and I

958
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: asked myself to this day, like he's twenty nine years old,

959
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: he walks away fifteen days before the season opener, Like

960
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: how did we get here? Like how did this guy

961
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: that they've moved on from Peyton manning for like and

962
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: that's episode two, Like it's hard to nationally put that

963
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: into context, Like you don't move on from Peyton Manning

964
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: like he was the whole city. He was like the mayor,

965
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: and they did and it was the right football move,

966
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: But like, how did we get here? And that's kind

967
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: of what we try to answer. But that's a good

968
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: point you made, Mark, Like it starts in London, it

969
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: starts in Germany, it starts in this overseas childhood that

970
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: makes him see the world a little bit different. Mhm.

971
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: I I like I think though, yes, the background made

972
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: a difference, But it seemed like he was just kind

973
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 1: of heartbreak. And I guess that because I think people

974
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: conflate that, Okay, he has these other interests. He's smart,

975
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 1: he had you know, he can do other things in

976
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: his life, so he can walk away from the game

977
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: in a way others can. I don't know, Like you

978
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: tell me if I'm wrong, but I feel like that's

979
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: sort of misreading it. It just felt like his heart

980
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,439
Speaker 1: was broken, like sort of by the injuries that he

981
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 1: that he and I think this has happened to other

982
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: players probably too, They're just not in the same position

983
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: as Andrew. Luck that that he did love the game

984
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: so much that like that that entire process with the shoulder,

985
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: which you That's what I really learned more than than anything.

986
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: And this is it's a great it's a six part podcast.

987
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: It flies by really quick. I think the pacing is

988
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: really good, Zach, Like it didn't feel like it always

989
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: felt like it was really moving forward quickly. You did

990
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: a great job with that. But it just felt like

991
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: he loved it so much. It was almost like this

992
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: thing that he loved that totally that sort of didn't

993
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: love him back. And at that moment it his heart

994
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: was just broken and that he sort of loved it

995
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: so much that he couldn't do it again, that it

996
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: was over. That it was. It wasn't about like that

997
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: he had other interests. It was almost that he just

998
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: he felt too strongly about it that he that he

999
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: couldn't continue. And I think that that somehow makes sense

1000
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: as a human. I looked at him that night and

1001
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: I remember telling myself football has been beaten out of him,

1002
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,720
Speaker 1: Like that's what happened. It's it's the kidney, it's the calf,

1003
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: it's the ankle, it's the throwing shoulder that's torn for

1004
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: four years, it's the it's the I'm missing a body part,

1005
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,280
Speaker 1: but name one. And he's he's busted it up. Um, yeah,

1006
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: I mean Greg. But here's the thing, Like, and I

1007
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: go back to this a lot, like nobody retires from

1008
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: a calf injury, like a calf string. It wasn't the

1009
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 1: shoulder that that did it. He nearly walked away at

1010
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: age from the shoulder, and he came back and he

1011
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: had this great season and then like everything looked great

1012
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: with Frank Rock. They were getting the ball out fast.

1013
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: Frank's got these cross seen row It's like the offense

1014
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 1: just made sense. They get Whatton Nelson and they've got

1015
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: this line that protects him and he makes you know.

1016
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: He's the NFL comeback Player of the Year. And like

1017
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: I wrote, like the future of the a f C

1018
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: is Patrick Mahomes and Andrew Luck and I thought it

1019
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: was and and to your point, like why not just rehab?

1020
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: Why not just rehab for for six weeks? Why not

1021
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: just rehab for two months? Why not take a year

1022
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: off and come back, Like that's why this doesn't make sense.

1023
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: And he was working like crazy to come back until

1024
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: the last minute, like crazy, And it just I've never

1025
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: been as surprised in my life as I was when

1026
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 1: I read that and seeing right, seeing that rehab process

1027
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: play out those that can. We've kind of seen a

1028
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: corollarya where Cam Newton undergoes shoulder surgery and we see

1029
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 1: him come back and there's a similar path. Right, there's

1030
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 1: there's a lack of velocity. There's this question of how

1031
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: how is this player in this part of his career

1032
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: going to reconcile being a different type of player and

1033
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 1: from the outside looking in, and I apologies I haven't

1034
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: been able to get into the pod just yet, but

1035
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: but I do wonder how much of playing Like if

1036
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: I were to go on to a basketball court right

1037
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: now and try to play pick up, there's things that

1038
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: I can't do now right that I remember being able

1039
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: to do. And when you're Andrew Luck and when you're

1040
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: out there against professionals and you're thinking about things that

1041
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: you can't do anymore, even at twenty eight years old,

1042
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: how much that plays into a decision of whether you

1043
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: want to do this anymore? When you can be good

1044
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: at other things, right, and you recognize and you have

1045
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: the privilege because of where you come from, because of

1046
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: who you are, that you feel like you can make

1047
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: this decision and you're financially capable of doing so, that

1048
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: That was my view from from the outside looking in.

1049
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: If I can't be Andrew Luck, then I'm gonna go

1050
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: be Andrew Luck in all the other parts of my life.

1051
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: That's a really good point, because that's that's something he

1052
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: said that night he walked away, was I don't want

1053
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: to be like this team can't handle like that's not

1054
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: good enough for me and it's not good enough for them. Now,

1055
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: some of Andrew Lux better of a lot of guys

1056
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: Kobe Brissett who started that year. But I want to

1057
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: mention one thing that happened the year before when he

1058
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: was coming back from the shoulder. Everything was fine physically,

1059
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: but mentally he wasn't there yet, like that cockiness, that

1060
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: swagger that all these alpha type guys have. And he

1061
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: goes up to Tom House, who brought him back, the

1062
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: throwing guru, and he says, am I ever going to

1063
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: be great again? Am I ever going to be myself again?

1064
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: And so he had to go through that, and you

1065
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: would just think that Andrew Lux shows up on a

1066
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: football field and if he's physically healthy, he's a badass,

1067
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: But like in his head, he had lost all that confidence,

1068
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: all that confidence, And I think that is a really

1069
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: good point because it played into the same thing a

1070
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: year later when he said, if I'm dealing with this

1071
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: foot and if i can't move in the pocket, I'm

1072
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: not going to be myself and I'm gonna start to

1073
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 1: hate myself again. And and the mental struggle was real,

1074
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: like he was in some dark places. And and that's

1075
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,240
Speaker 1: something not about not a lot of athletes talk about,

1076
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 1: but that's a really relevant thing here, right. I think, um,

1077
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: you did a good great job painting the picture when

1078
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: he was in the Netherlands and he and he actually

1079
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: had a long conversation with you. I think it was

1080
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: the next offseason coming back, talking about how dark that

1081
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 1: place was. And even then, and I think when Tom

1082
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: House talked about it, it felt like Luck was still

1083
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: he struggled to talk about the mental side of things.

1084
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: And I listening to him, you know, in it and

1085
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: you can understand it. He sounded like someone who is

1086
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: who is depressed and and was struggling with with everything

1087
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 1: that was going on, and and and that might have

1088
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: played a you know, part of the retirement. I know

1089
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: you had sort of an off the record long meeting

1090
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: with Andrew Luck. I am curious, like for at least

1091
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: what you can't say, like how do you think he's

1092
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: doing now? Like how do you think he's doing in retirement?

1093
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: Like I I want to I want to believe in

1094
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: a happy Andrew Luck and and that it's going well.

1095
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: You can it was a great meeting, Like I it

1096
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: killed me that it was off the record. I get that, Um,

1097
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna honor that he wanted it to be

1098
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: off the record. He's doing great, like I got. I

1099
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 1: got no sense at any point that he was thinking

1100
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,240
Speaker 1: about coming back, that he's ever thought about coming back. Um.

1101
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: But the funny thing is, like none of this story

1102
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,959
Speaker 1: followed the script, and even to this day, it still

1103
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: doesn't all add up like you think it would, Like

1104
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: he lives five minutes from the Colts facility like that

1105
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 1: through me. They're over there trying to replace him, you know,

1106
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, Philip Rivers, Matt Ryan, and he's right there.

1107
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,399
Speaker 1: Like you could throw a baseball and probably hits hell. Yeah,

1108
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: I was surprised he lived in Indianapolis. No shape to Indianapolis. Yeah.

1109
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: When it comes to Andrew Luck, I mean, what what

1110
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 1: is his goal? Do you have a sense that he

1111
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: has like another part of his life that he wants to,

1112
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: like go be the best at because I don't think

1113
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: the thing that would be hard is like to do

1114
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: this thing so well? Have it stripped out in a

1115
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: very philosophical approach to it. I think there's a lot

1116
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: of hurt attached to it too. He sounds like he's

1117
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: in a good place, but then what's the next thing?

1118
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: Because he's he is so young. Yeah, Like imagine being

1119
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 1: that good at something and then just not being able

1120
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: to do it at twenty nine, Like you got like

1121
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: what do you like? You gotta pour yourself into something else.

1122
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: You're super competitive, Like all these guys are like that.

1123
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, and I think he you know, this

1124
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: is my words, not his, but I think he struggled

1125
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: with that. Like I think like Andrew Luck is still

1126
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 1: like this ghost in Indianapolis, Like I'll get text messages

1127
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: like I saw him at the grocery. He's alive. Like

1128
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 1: the specter of Andrew Luck has kind of become this

1129
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: like mystery in Indianapolis, and like what does he do

1130
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: to fill the days? Like he's got like money is

1131
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: not an issue for the rest of his life, Like

1132
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 1: but that's not ever what's made him happy? So That's

1133
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: another layer to this that I find so fascinating, Like

1134
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 1: what would you do if you had all the money

1135
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: in the world but no outlet, no purpose, you know,

1136
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: in he stayed at home and he's you know, he's

1137
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: got a two year old daughter, and um, like that's

1138
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: been a big part of his life for real, it

1139
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 1: absolutely has. But that's what I'm excited to see next.

1140
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: You know, he started to come out of hibernation, he

1141
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: started to show his face a little bit more. He

1142
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: thought about doing the podcast, he really did. I thought

1143
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: he was gonna do it, but then he ultimately declined. So, um,

1144
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 1: but that's a good point, Mark, And like, I don't

1145
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: only he can answer that, you know, like he's he's

1146
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: gonna have to do something. Maybe maybe it's private. Like

1147
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: I know, he's given a lot. He does a lot

1148
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: of stuff like off to the side that no one

1149
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: knows about. But like he's just too bright, you know,

1150
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: to to not do something to help the world. Right.

1151
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: He was majoring in architecture at Stanford. Like I don't

1152
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: know if you guys had any friends that uh did

1153
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 1: architecture in school, But that was the hardest major possible.

1154
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: It was the smartest people possible, and it took the

1155
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: most work possible. It's see, it seemed like if you

1156
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: were in architecture school that you couldn't do anything else.

1157
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: And he was doing that while being Andrew Luck at Stanford.

1158
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: So maybe he should get into concrete. I don't know.

1159
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: It's a great it's a great series. Uh, it's a

1160
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: six part series. It's called luck On on the Athletic

1161
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 1: exactly want to keep you, uh, to talk a little

1162
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: bit about the Colts while you have you, While we

1163
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: have you, we're gonna be selfish and take up more

1164
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: of your time. But before we do that, I did

1165
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 1: ask Graver to go look just for some clips of

1166
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 1: us talking Luck during his career, and um, this is

1167
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: a happier moment. This is maybe the peak of Luck's career.

1168
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: I think the win he had against Tennessee in eighteen

1169
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: to get back into the playoffs if you remember they

1170
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: started one in five that year was after he missed

1171
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: two years where he thought his career might even be over,

1172
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,439
Speaker 1: and he came back and he won that game. That's

1173
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: one peak. But I think if you think of one

1174
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: game as of Andrew Luck, I think you think the

1175
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: huge wild card come back against the Kansas City chiefs. Uh.

1176
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: Here was the Around the NFL podcast reacting to that comeback? Uh?

1177
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: What was that now? Eight years ago? Why? Wow? That's

1178
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: the only thing I can say. Andrew Luck is the

1179
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: first step towards legend status. Is this the beginning of

1180
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: the Andrew Luck arc towards greatness? Yeah? If if it

1181
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: wasn't already. I mean, he's broken the records for comeback

1182
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: victories and you just can't ever count him out. He

1183
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: puts the team on his back, he starts running, he

1184
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: starts passing, He's physical, he does everything well. His instincts

1185
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: are great. That fumble play was awesome. He's twenty four

1186
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: years old. He's not even twenty until September, next September.

1187
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: This guy, I mean, it's unreal what we're seeing at

1188
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: this young and age, with this um, this little experience.

1189
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine what we're gonna see five years

1190
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: from now. I feel like we've the ceiling has been

1191
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: taking out taken off. There is no limitations to what

1192
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: this guy can be. Like him, he was surrounding talent.

1193
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: I like him. As he was pulled what appears to

1194
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: be out of Amish territory and you know, we talked

1195
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: to Greg today before the Bengals game, and you said

1196
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: you would rather face Andrew Luck in the Colts over

1197
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton and the Bengals, and and that shocked me

1198
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: because I wouldn't want to deal with Andrew Luck on

1199
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: any level in the playoffs. He is just flat out

1200
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: finding a way to win these games. What about t

1201
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: Y Hilton outrageous? Yeah, he's great and they use him

1202
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: a lot like the Eagles used to Sean Jackson. I mean,

1203
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck was so good. He was almost the best

1204
00:58:56,440 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: quarterback in this game. Oh in man, you gotta get

1205
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:05,439
Speaker 1: me with like two terrible takes in one little clip Raver.

1206
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: I mean, not only did Mark point out that I

1207
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: said rather play Dalton, but I just made an illusion

1208
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: that does feel drug induced. I think that was a

1209
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: fair question on my part. Alex Smith did played great

1210
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: in like game. Poor Alex Smith had has had some

1211
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: terrible luck over the years too, and that was maybe

1212
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: the best performance of his career too, and ended up

1213
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: in a losing effort because Luck was so good. We're

1214
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: gonna take one more quick break and then Zach, we're

1215
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: gonna get you a few questions about the Colts and

1216
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: then we'll we'll get out of here and I'll head

1217
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: back to the U S Alright back with Zack Keefer,

1218
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: we talked Luck. There's no Andrew Luck on this team,

1219
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: Zach Uh. Matt Ryan is not going to be able

1220
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: to do the things that Andrew Luck did. Matt Ryan

1221
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: should not be seeking out contact Uh like Andrew Luck did.

1222
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: In fact, I think that's one of it Matt Ryan's

1223
00:59:55,720 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: best strengths that he can avoid that contact. Him being

1224
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: with Frank Reich, what do you think that combination's gonna be, like, Like,

1225
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: how do you think Ryan will be different? How do

1226
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 1: you think reich system will be different? Because listening to

1227
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: the podcast, going back to the Luck thing, it it's

1228
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: sort of reminded me, oh man, he only had that

1229
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: one year with Reich, you almost forgot, and that was

1230
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: the most efficient year of lux career. He got sacked

1231
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: the least them out in the entire league. So he

1232
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 1: totally changed who he was as a player. And it's

1233
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: one more um piece of evidence to me that Frank

1234
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: Reich is one of the pre eminent coaches to have

1235
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: if you're a quarterback and I and I mean like

1236
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: top two or three, that's my opinion. Uh so, how

1237
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: do you think that Frank Reich system and and everything

1238
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: is gonna work with Matt Ryan? How do you think

1239
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: it's going to be different? Five quarterbacks in five years?

1240
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 1: Like it seems like a made up stat um. You know,

1241
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: It's funny. I haven't thought about the current to all

1242
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: for the last three weeks because I've been on this deadline.

1243
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: So yes, Matt Ryan's the quarterback. And and it's crazy

1244
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: like during the spring, you know, talking to people around

1245
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: the organization, it's like they're just like laughing at how

1246
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 1: well this turned out. Like literally, like there were Baker

1247
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: Mayfield rumors, like there were Mariota rumors, like this team

1248
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: had no plan, Like they just entered free agency and

1249
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: we're like, we don't really love any of these guys

1250
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: out there. We're just gonna sit and see what happens.

1251
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: And then Matt Ryan magically sort of became available due

1252
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: to all these circumstances with just and and then like

1253
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: every single word we've heard about Matt Ryan has been

1254
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: unbelievable praise like he's he's a legit dude, like he's

1255
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: he stepped in and they're just like Carson Wentz, who

1256
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: like they're like, we've got the guy, and maybe that's

1257
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: a little bit ahead of myself in terms of like

1258
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 1: it just seems like it fits perfectly. I don't want

1259
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 1: to drink the kool aid too much because like I

1260
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: know how this league works. But you know, they're comparing him,

1261
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: like Reggie Wayne. Like Reggie Wayne said this, He's like

1262
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: it makes me sit how much he reminds me of

1263
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 1: Peyton in terms of a leader. They're not the same quarterback.

1264
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: Let's not get ahead of ours. So but like Matt

1265
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: Ryan came in and just owned the offensive meeting room

1266
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 1: and like he's just stepped in right away and and

1267
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: that fast, quick release is gonna be huge. Carson Carson

1268
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 1: Wentz made football so much harder than it needed to

1269
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 1: be last year. Like he had a beast in the backfield,

1270
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor, and he has a beast in the outside

1271
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 1: and Michael Pittman, and like Carson's gotta hold onto the

1272
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: ball and he's gotta wait and wait and wait and

1273
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: try to make this heroic play and sometimes he does.

1274
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: But like Matt Ryan is going to be the opposite

1275
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: in terms of efficiency, and I think it's I think

1276
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: it's gonna work like now, hem Hines told a reporter

1277
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, like Matt's gonna make the layups.

1278
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 1: Like that's a telling quote. Like he Hines is a

1279
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: really good playmaker, and they just forgot about him last

1280
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 1: year because Carson stopped throwing to him. And so I

1281
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 1: think Matt Ryan's gonna run the offense Frank Reich once

1282
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: and I think it's gonna be a lot more efficient,

1283
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit less splash then Carson. But like

1284
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 1: I feel like it's just a if it's like a

1285
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 1: perfect glove. You know, check with me in Octobe. I

1286
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: might look like an idiot. I would ask you this then,

1287
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: because you're right. Um, on this show a couple of

1288
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 1: months ago, we went through all the quotes about Matt

1289
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: Ryan and they are glowing. Does not do service for

1290
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: what they are. I mean, they're it's almost like I'm

1291
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 1: not even asking these questions either. Sometimes they just say them,

1292
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 1: they're offering them up and it's so glowing and so

1293
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 1: gushing that I I all I would ask is if

1294
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: you're Jim or Say, and you're hearing all this information,

1295
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:24,919
Speaker 1: We've got our guy, We've got Peyton manning the leader. Um,

1296
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan can still play. It's such an upgrade. We

1297
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 1: gave you what you wanted. Now if you're Jimmer, say,

1298
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: and because the culture seems really good inside team walls,

1299
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: I mean Chris Ballard, everyone views them as a top

1300
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: flight GM. We all love Frank Reich. But if they

1301
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 1: go and win nine games, Um, is there a scenario

1302
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: where the pressure inside this building turns up higher than

1303
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 1: people expected? Yeah? Yeah, it needs to one playoff appearance

1304
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 1: since Andrew Look retired zero playoff wins, and they've had

1305
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: some good teams, Like I'll give them credit, like it

1306
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: was a stunning retirement. It was a story work like

1307
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: a lot of teams would have created, right, I mean

1308
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: they just would have. They didn't, But they also haven't

1309
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 1: won enough. And Ursay's pissed man like versas pissed, like

1310
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 1: he ripped into his scouts and his staff when they

1311
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 1: lost the Titans last year two in a row, Like

1312
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: they can't beat verybel in the Titans and the and

1313
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 1: the Titans took a step back on paper. But I'm

1314
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 1: a little hesitant to count them out because Rabel is

1315
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: so good and he gets as most out of his

1316
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 1: roster is just about anybody and the Cults have just

1317
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 1: found a way to shrink in those moments against that team.

1318
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 1: So they've got to win the a f C South

1319
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: and if they don't, you know, Rik and Ballod are

1320
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: on these extensions through like twenty six. But you know

1321
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: they they Andrew Luck get out of jail free card

1322
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 1: is over. Like it's done, Like there's no more leniency

1323
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 1: with that. They need to win. They screwed up with

1324
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: the Carson Wentz trade. They got out of it miraculously,

1325
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 1: like the move Ballad made getting to like come on,

1326
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: like that's the same. But they gotta win, man, They

1327
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 1: need to be playing into January this year for sure.

1328
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: One one thing he said, Zack that makes me wonder

1329
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 1: about this franchise, especially coming off the Luck discussion, right

1330
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 1: was they didn't have a plan right, and then the

1331
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: Deshawn's circumstance happens and they wind up with Matt Ryan.

1332
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 1: But this continues to happen to this franchise where they're

1333
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 1: in a situation where they don't have a plan, they

1334
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 1: wing it and they make it work. What needs to

1335
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 1: change for them to have a consistent plan, not just

1336
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: at the position, but maybe let's say they do eventually

1337
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: find the universe hands them another generational quarterback. What's it

1338
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 1: gonna take for them to have a plan the next time.

1339
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 1: I can't wait for you to listen to the podcast

1340
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 1: because we've been asking Ballad of this question for three

1341
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 1: years and and at one point he just kind of

1342
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 1: lost it and he goes, look, everybody wants me to

1343
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 1: pick a quarterback, but if you rush into it and

1344
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: pick the wrong guy, everyone's gonna run my ass out

1345
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 1: of town. And he's right, So like, maybe winging it

1346
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 1: is a little bit of a stretch because they haven't

1347
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 1: panicked right. They haven't had a good draft pick, like

1348
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 1: they just haven't. Like they traded one first round pick

1349
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 1: for the Force Buckner. You can't really knock him for that.

1350
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 1: He's a monster. You can knock come for the Carson

1351
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 1: Wentz try. They didn't have a first round pick this year,

1352
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,959
Speaker 1: so they've just tried to fix the whole without making

1353
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:06,919
Speaker 1: it worse long term, and they're not gonna jump until

1354
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 1: they're ready to jump. They need to find a long

1355
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,439
Speaker 1: term guy. But Matt Ryan's here for two years and

1356
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 1: and urstays Ursay is thinking three or four now. He's

1357
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 1: an optimist, And I don't know about that. Let's not

1358
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 1: get ahead of ourselves. But if this goes well this year,

1359
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 1: there's no reason why this can't be a two to

1360
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 1: three year thing. And that gives them some time to

1361
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 1: find the next guy. But like Ballard said, like they're

1362
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: living like the other half of the world now. They

1363
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 1: don't have a top pick with Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning.

1364
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 1: And this is what everyone else in the NFL has

1365
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 1: to do unless you're the Green Bay Packers. Well but

1366
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: but the green Bay Package used to be run by

1367
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 1: Ron Wolf and and Ted Thompson had the same philosophy

1368
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 1: as Ron Wolf when he took over, which was take

1369
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 1: a quarterback every single year. It's like, you can start

1370
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 1: doing that and you don't have to take him in

1371
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 1: the first round. Take us, take a third, take a second,

1372
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 1: take a six. Maybe it's not and they've taken a

1373
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: couple of eight rounds, but just like younger j Seahawks,

1374
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 1: now I get it. It's like, but you can try,

1375
01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 1: and I think they need to keep trying during the

1376
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 1: Matt r And era. But I'm optimistic. I actually noticed

1377
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 1: they're they're over underwind. Total moved up to ten to

1378
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 1: the the optimism for the Colts is nationwide, only five

1379
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: teams in the NFL have a higher UH over underwin total.

1380
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 1: Now they're tied at ten with like six or seven

1381
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 1: teams are are right at ten. But that that's telling

1382
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: to me. The schedule plays a big part of that.

1383
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 1: I'm sort of on that train to the off season,

1384
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 1: so damn long that we start going against the opinions

1385
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 1: we had. Initially I was I was like, actually, the

1386
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 1: culture after isn't as good as it used to be.

1387
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,439
Speaker 1: Let's not get too carried away. But now I'm back

1388
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 1: on the Colts train. The secondary feels like it's totally

1389
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 1: boom or bust, but they feel like they should be

1390
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 1: the favorites, and I think they have a chance to

1391
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 1: to win some playoff games this year. Yeah. I mean,

1392
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 1: like the last time they played football was atrocious. Was

1393
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 1: one of the worst losses I've ever seen watching this

1394
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 1: team thirty years. I mean, the way they laid down

1395
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville. So yeah, I mean, you're add in cock

1396
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 1: Way and that's the one thing this defense really they

1397
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 1: needed a pass rusture and got ways probably just Pencilimon

1398
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 1: for ten sacks. They had a Gilmore in the back end.

1399
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 1: Can he still play. I think so. Um Darius Leonard's

1400
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 1: a question mark though, because he's coming off this weird

1401
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: back surgery that's supposed to alleviate pain in his ankle.

1402
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,439
Speaker 1: And I mean he was he was a freak last year,

1403
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:18,640
Speaker 1: Like he had like fifteen turnovers by himself, but he

1404
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: was playing on one leg. And this ankle thing keeps

1405
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,679
Speaker 1: being an issue. And that's mean he's the best player

1406
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 1: besides Jonathan Taylor. So I don't know. I think that's

1407
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 1: the fun part about training camp is like we don't know,

1408
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 1: and this team could be like seven wins and they

1409
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 1: could be like twelve wins. Yeah, and we will be

1410
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 1: tracking it all it's happened. I've kept everyone too long.

1411
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 1: You know, Cleveland's guy, his son is running around the room.

1412
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:47,440
Speaker 1: My kids are now, Zach's it's dinner time in Indianapolis. Uh,

1413
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 1: what a lovely boy there in mine, like two minutes

1414
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:55,719
Speaker 1: from barging in. So so we we should take off, Um, Zack,

1415
01:08:55,800 --> 01:09:00,720
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us again. The series luck, Uh

1416
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 1: it's all six episodes are out. You can find it

1417
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcast feeds. And uh, like we've

1418
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 1: got the lovely Clay both both Clay Brown kids are here.

1419
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 1: Thank you Patrick as well. Why don't we all say

1420
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 1: goodbye together? Just say goodbye thanks Zach. Thanks, We get,

1421
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 1: we get, we get the kids on the mic here though,

1422
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 1: there we go again. That was Zach key for mark U.

1423
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 1: I said, like, maybe we'll do minutes today. We don't

1424
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: have that much to talk about, and now it's like

1425
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 1: an hour ten. I believe you know what. It's because

1426
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 1: we enjoy um the roles that we play. I'll say

1427
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 1: it that way. Why make it forty minutes when we

1428
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 1: can make it sixty four minutes? So I just wanted

1429
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:45,759
Speaker 1: to jump in to point out that Zach said good

1430
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 1: point mark or great point mark three times and realized

1431
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:53,679
Speaker 1: I was thinking you might because great point I think.

1432
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 1: I think anyone that's listening to I mean, he listens

1433
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: a little bit, he probably knows that's the quickest way

1434
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 1: to curry favor with them, at least one person on

1435
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,799
Speaker 1: the panel here. So don't hit that mute button. Claibon

1436
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 1: is hitting the mute button with the kids around. Um.

1437
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 1: Thanks to everyone. This is a sloppy show. That's what

1438
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 1: happens when uh, when Dan is gone. Dan will be

1439
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 1: back next week. He'll still be in Jersey, but I'll

1440
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:17,879
Speaker 1: be back in l A. And we are getting closer

1441
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 1: to all being back in the studio. I'm not sure

1442
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 1: if it's gonna be Monday or Tuesday. We we will

1443
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: find out then, but I believe we'll have a Monday show. Claibon,

1444
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 1: we haven't seen you in like a months. It was nice.

1445
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 1: Nice to see you. I hope you've had a nice summer.

1446
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 1: I see they're working pretty hard though. Uh, you know,

1447
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,680
Speaker 1: it's Uh, it's good to be wanted. You're you're like

1448
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 1: doing some good morning football stuff. Is that? Is that

1449
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 1: the Yeah? Coming up next week, I'll be playing the

1450
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 1: Will Sellver role. Uh. If if I get to go in,

1451
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 1: we get some pending tests. Okay, Okay, that's that's Things

1452
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 1: don't change. The more things change, the more they stay

1453
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 1: the same. Uh. Until then, for Mark Sesler, Justin Graver,

1454
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 1: Patrick Clay von Key for I'm Greg Rosenthal. See you

1455
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 1: next week, he'd the call. In one of the more

1456
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 1: shocking happenings in the NFL's recent history, Andrew Luck announces

1457
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:24,600
Speaker 1: his retirement from the NFL. The Colt superstar quarterback, announcing

1458
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 1: that injuries have taken the love from the game for him. So,

1459
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 1: a man who's turning thirty years old on September twelve,

1460
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 1: met with Colts owner Jim Ursay earlier Saturday to explain

1461
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 1: his decision. And Dan Hanz is the Around the NFL podcast,

1462
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 1: presented by Sirius XM, joined by Mark Sessler, Chris Westling,

1463
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 1: and Greg Rosenthal. Uh and Boys. This is an absolute

1464
01:11:55,920 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 1: bombshell um that changes the complexion of the Colts. Obviously,

1465
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:03,719
Speaker 1: with the a f C and west Luck, nobody knew

1466
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 1: this was coming. This is this. We were at Patrick

1467
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,600
Speaker 1: Clay buns um uh shrimp boil in fact, in the

1468
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,880
Speaker 1: middle of a cornhole game, and everyone was just dumbfounded, founded.

1469
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 1: And you could say the same thing about everyone else

1470
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 1: connected to football. Andrew Luck done at age twenty nine

1471
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 1: in the NFL. When you're recording the show what thirty

1472
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 1: six hours later, You're reacting to so much more than

1473
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 1: just the news. You're reacting to the reaction. You're reacting

1474
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 1: to what you should have seen for three years, considering

1475
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:36,919
Speaker 1: the comments he's made and just looking doing the research

1476
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 1: on what he said over the last few years. This

1477
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 1: is every bit as much of a mental health issue

1478
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 1: as a as a pain issue. As a physical issue.

1479
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 1: As Jim Ursay said in two thousand seventeen, it's about

1480
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:51,719
Speaker 1: the four inch field between Andrew, lux Ears and URSTA.

1481
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 1: Took a lot of crap for that from people who

1482
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 1: didn't know what they were talking about, assumed they did

1483
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 1: from the outside looking in. But in lux own we're

1484
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 1: he is referred to the dark place, not a fun

1485
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 1: world to live in, Scared to my core, a low point, miserable,

1486
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 1: s o B. I withdrew, my life was empty, I

1487
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 1: have shame. I don't know about my worth as a human.

1488
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 1: I'm weathered and less naive. And then at the press conference,

1489
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 1: he said, this is the only way I see out

1490
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:22,759
Speaker 1: of it, and out of it is the severe depression

1491
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 1: and identity crisis that he's been going through for three years.

1492
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:30,599
Speaker 1: And he said that already a weight had been lifted.

1493
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:34,440
Speaker 1: And even though the press conference