Speaker 1: Hey, it's Bobby Bones. I want to hop on here
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Speaker 1: Welcome to episode sixty of The Bobby Cast and with
Speaker 1: Kip Moore today. Good because you tune here showing up
Speaker 1: here today. Can you talk about what you're doing today? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was doing this thing with UM with Chase Salia
Speaker 1: when we've filmed last week where I was on the
Speaker 1: on the track with him in Michigan and it's uh,
Speaker 1: they've picked some athletes where they've they're kind of asking
Speaker 1: how do they get ready for race? What music they
Speaker 1: listened to? And he listens to my music so it's
Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. It was cool man, Um, you know
Speaker 1: I read in the chase. It's funny. I met him
Speaker 1: probably a year and a half ago. Drake White and
Speaker 1: I were playing a show and he was kind of uh,
Speaker 1: he was announcing both of us, and so we got
Speaker 1: to hang. Then I got to know him then, and
Speaker 1: I didn't know that, you know, he was a fan
Speaker 1: of the music back then, so we talked about it
Speaker 1: back then, and uh, it was neat man, just seeing
Speaker 1: his whole world, because I can admit that I'm not
Speaker 1: like I didn't grow up with NASCAR. Really, I've seen
Speaker 1: race it's probably like you have, but I don't know
Speaker 1: the detail of it. So him bringing me, you know,
Speaker 1: in the garage, showing how they build the cars up,
Speaker 1: tear him down after almost every race, all the aerodynamics
Speaker 1: that go into it, and then and then it was
Speaker 1: kind of like me picking his brain on the way
Speaker 1: he likes to you know, you would think a NASCAR
Speaker 1: driver I would want to listen to like really pumped
Speaker 1: up music, but he's like, I like to get as
Speaker 1: calm as I possibly can because the race is so long,
Speaker 1: and it helps me kind of settling and knowing that
Speaker 1: it's gonna be. You know, he likes really chilled out
Speaker 1: music before he gets in a car. That's an interesting thing.
Speaker 1: Who who's coming to you before and say hey, Which
Speaker 1: was surprising to you, is that, man, I really love
Speaker 1: your music where you're like, wow, that's cool, like you
Speaker 1: like my music. Um Man, I can't think of the
Speaker 1: top of my head right now. I know there's been
Speaker 1: a few of those cases where any other artists, even
Speaker 1: in town, that they will call you be like, dude,
Speaker 1: I just heard the song of yours and it's fantastic. Um.
Speaker 1: Jaren Johnston, I'm such a fan of what the collect
Speaker 1: three do uh so much, and jar and I are
Speaker 1: we've become pretty good buddies. But I can remember when
Speaker 1: the first time he heard that was us. He's like,
Speaker 1: if you don't put this song out, I'm gonna come
Speaker 1: up with your house and fight you. Mar So, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's just he was a big fan of that, and
Speaker 1: then we ended up touring together after that, so um, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know I didn't know that. You know, Jared was
Speaker 1: around with in my music, so you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: cool man, when other people that you respect respect what
Speaker 1: you do. You're an interesting guy, and I think in
Speaker 1: the past six months or so, we probably got to
Speaker 1: know each other better than we have in the past
Speaker 1: three and a half years before that. But we were talking.
Speaker 1: We're you and I are up in a room at
Speaker 1: our management office. We're talking about Bob Dylan. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you were talking and you were like, you know, I
Speaker 1: still and I was listening to you because listen, I
Speaker 1: like to listen. And you and you were talking, and
Speaker 1: you're talking about Bob Dylan, and you were talking about
Speaker 1: I used to study Bob Dylan lyrics, and I was like,
Speaker 1: look at this guy, another layer of the onion. I
Speaker 1: think kept more onion I did. Man, you know, I
Speaker 1: feel like, um, I feel like Dylan somewhat kind of
Speaker 1: saved me from myself. I can be um. I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm I'm really coming out of that, but I UM,
Speaker 1: I can battle a lot of my own demons pretty heavily.
Speaker 1: And at the time when I really discovered dealon, I mean,
Speaker 1: my dad played him something growing up. But you know,
Speaker 1: when you're when you're fourteen and fifteen, you can't comprehend
Speaker 1: what Dylan singing about and what can you relate to it?
Speaker 1: You can enjoy the music and the melody, which I
Speaker 1: did kind of the same thing with with Seeger and Springsteen,
Speaker 1: but I can't relate to but Bob Seeger against the
Speaker 1: Wind when I'm fourteen, you know. But um, the more,
Speaker 1: you know, I left home when I was like seventeen,
Speaker 1: and I went like seven hours away to go play school.
Speaker 1: But you know, go to basket and play basketball away
Speaker 1: from school. And and then I've been traveling ever since
Speaker 1: and just living life and diving into stuff wide open.
Speaker 1: And I've been on my own, taking care of myself.
Speaker 1: And I can remember living and the biggest dump the
Speaker 1: last time I went recently to drive by the place,
Speaker 1: and I had yellow tape around the whole place. I guess,
Speaker 1: I guess something like that I went down, But man,
Speaker 1: it was awful. It was. It was awful, man. And uh,
Speaker 1: just that feeling of which I'm sure you've had, that
Speaker 1: where looking around at all your friends kind of on
Speaker 1: the hamster wheel of life that sometimes I admire that
Speaker 1: I wish I could, you know, be that way. The
Speaker 1: people that just you know, they'll go work for the
Speaker 1: dad's insturance company or whatever, and and they'll make a
Speaker 1: good living. They'll you know, plant roots, you know, plant roots,
Speaker 1: have a wife and kids, and and go through that
Speaker 1: whole kind of structure that we're all kind of programmed
Speaker 1: to due at a young age. And here I was
Speaker 1: living in a complete ship hole. Am I allowed to
Speaker 1: say that on this just feeling like the biggest low life.
Speaker 1: But at the same time I had that exciting feeling
Speaker 1: every morning I woke up that anything could happen where
Speaker 1: I felt like everybody else they knew exactly what the
Speaker 1: day was gonna be, and it was gonna be like
Speaker 1: when they came home. There was an excitement of just
Speaker 1: feeling like and they could light and constrike tomorrow. And
Speaker 1: I think that when I really dove into dealing, and
Speaker 1: around seven, I mean I would I would spend I
Speaker 1: get off work and I'd write from from five to
Speaker 1: twelve o'clock at night, and then I would lay on
Speaker 1: the floor. I've always liked to lay on the floor.
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but I had a record player
Speaker 1: and I would listen to all the old deal in
Speaker 1: records told three or four o'clock in the morning, and
Speaker 1: I'd write. I'd write out his lyrics. I try to
Speaker 1: understand the way he was using his metaphors and everything
Speaker 1: and the playoff of words. He was the best to
Speaker 1: playoff of words. And I was just blown away by
Speaker 1: his music. I was so well. It was such an
Speaker 1: aspiring time for me, and I felt like I really
Speaker 1: related to a lot of what dealing was saying a
Speaker 1: lot of music, and I feel like I've always had
Speaker 1: that that passionate spirit about me, and I looked at
Speaker 1: things in an innocent kind of way, which a lot
Speaker 1: of his music was was. There was such an innocence
Speaker 1: to it. There's that I have a lot of onion.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of onion to talk about here. What
Speaker 1: do you There's also the part that I found it
Speaker 1: struck me is that you had a couple of hits
Speaker 1: and you wouldn't got an apartment your first decently nice
Speaker 1: place to live. It was my first place. It was decent,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't good for your soul, so you had
Speaker 1: to move out. Yeah, I felt like I found myself
Speaker 1: all of a sudden. It's kind of like I thrive
Speaker 1: on misery, misery in a weird way, but I found
Speaker 1: myself comfortable for the first time in my life. Where
Speaker 1: I was coming home, I was watching TV. I was
Speaker 1: laying on the couch and eating good food and and
Speaker 1: I and all of a sudden, I felt like I
Speaker 1: was I was losing a little bit of that inspiration
Speaker 1: in that drive, that kind of So I called Brett,
Speaker 1: who is my publisher, HTT James, who's written a million hits.
Speaker 1: And he Brett had bought this old house that was
Speaker 1: built in the like mid eighteen hundreds. It's one of
Speaker 1: the last remaining ones down there Music Road where they're
Speaker 1: building all this stuff arounds behind Losers, that that one
Speaker 1: old building with the black iron gate, and it's the spooky, ist,
Speaker 1: erious dark. Everything about that place is not where you
Speaker 1: want to live. But it's great for writing. And I've
Speaker 1: written almost the entire up all night record in that house.
Speaker 1: And there were there's a room upstairs. It's just this
Speaker 1: It's awful. Man, that's a really tiny little box. Men,
Speaker 1: it's a lot smaller than this room. And I called
Speaker 1: him and said, hey, man, I want to move into
Speaker 1: that room and I want to write my next record
Speaker 1: in there, you know, in in in the house again,
Speaker 1: you know. And so I moved all my stuff into
Speaker 1: that room, was crammed in there, and I was I
Speaker 1: slept on a on a twin bed for about for
Speaker 1: about two years, and the hot water heater didn't work,
Speaker 1: so I took cold showers every morning and that was
Speaker 1: like thirty seconds in and out. So my when I
Speaker 1: would go on the road, it was like heaven in
Speaker 1: an arena, like a shower and arena. It was like
Speaker 1: I got hot water, you know, so but I would
Speaker 1: I wrote almost the whole Wild One's Record for the
Speaker 1: most part. In that house. There was no furniture. There's
Speaker 1: no um, and there's a there's a couple like random
Speaker 1: like regular chairs and not chairs like this, and you've
Speaker 1: got no TVs. It's all and it's crazy haunted. I
Speaker 1: got haunted stories that would blow your mind, which finally
Speaker 1: ran me out. And I got a place because it
Speaker 1: was so scary at night, so you didn't want to
Speaker 1: be comfortable. What do you think that comes from? What
Speaker 1: are you think the root of that is? Hey? Do
Speaker 1: you create better from sadness? I feel like I at
Speaker 1: that time in my life, and I've learned how to
Speaker 1: just channel a different side of me where I don't
Speaker 1: I don't I don't quite need that as much, but
Speaker 1: I still I live I live very very moderate on purpose,
Speaker 1: like I have a tiny little house on the other
Speaker 1: side of town, and um, I don't really have any things. Um.
Speaker 1: I tried, but I felt like for me, it played
Speaker 1: a trick on my mind where I still felt like
Speaker 1: I was at the bottom where I feel like I
Speaker 1: write better out of desperation. So it you know, taking
Speaker 1: culturewers every morning, sleeping on that twin bed, which I hated. Man.
Speaker 1: I had an old junk mattress. It was, it was,
Speaker 1: it was awful, man. Uh, but it just it played
Speaker 1: a trick on me to where I still felt like
Speaker 1: I was completely broke and trying to go after something.
Speaker 1: And I've kind of learned how that that I don't
Speaker 1: need that as much now. Um. But I still like
Speaker 1: when I travel, I like stay in hostels. Um. We
Speaker 1: just did that whole backpacking through Ice and you know,
Speaker 1: staying in the hostels, and um, I do that when
Speaker 1: I go to MAUI sometimes Costa Rica. Um. And I'll
Speaker 1: write a lot of music when I'm out there like that,
Speaker 1: and I'll meet interesting people, and I don't you know,
Speaker 1: it's almost get uncomfortable. Like I though I'm around from
Speaker 1: in the fourth seasons, I'm uncomfortab around those people. They're fine,
Speaker 1: they're nice, they're get I get uncomfortable around that kind
Speaker 1: of setting, really fine dining and luxurious rooms, Like it's
Speaker 1: a weird thing. Man for me, you talk about the
Speaker 1: place being haunted. We've talked about this a bit, but
Speaker 1: you're convinced, like it's not maybe it was a ghost
Speaker 1: to you. It's not maybe there's no there's no there.
Speaker 1: This is I'm probably about to get off on a
Speaker 1: weird place here. Um, for me, it could have also
Speaker 1: been I was. I was not in a good headspace
Speaker 1: at all. Um, I wasn't. I wasn't a really weird
Speaker 1: I've already written like a whole second project that pretty
Speaker 1: much got shell of the label. They were like, we
Speaker 1: don't have radio stuff here. This is too as you
Speaker 1: this is to this, this is too And that's heartbreaking
Speaker 1: is as a writer and artist and you turned something
Speaker 1: in And I try to explain that to a lot
Speaker 1: of people sometimes too. Where my old jobs there was
Speaker 1: a beauty and just going to work, doing the job,
Speaker 1: going home kind of having that mindless feel of Okay,
Speaker 1: now I can devote this other part of my time
Speaker 1: to a girlfriend or whatever kind of thing or family
Speaker 1: or I was present when I would leave work and
Speaker 1: you know, with this job, you're even yours, You're you're
Speaker 1: constantly on judgment for everything. I don't I wouldn't trade
Speaker 1: my job or anything, but it's your it's a constant
Speaker 1: state of judgment. And Um, that was a hard thing
Speaker 1: to turn in something I was so passionate about, which
Speaker 1: I hope sees the life of day one day. Um.
Speaker 1: But I was in a bad, bad place. And I've always,
Speaker 1: um had a heart for God. And I'll say that openly,
Speaker 1: like I've always been really connected with God, even even
Speaker 1: when I'm not reading, even when I don't go to church,
Speaker 1: I just always I know that God is always with me.
Speaker 1: And I've usually been pretty good about reading scripture going
Speaker 1: to church. And you know, I just go by myself
Speaker 1: at night or going Tuesday nights or whatever. I'm sitting
Speaker 1: in the back and I leave and I stay connected.
Speaker 1: And at that time I was really I wasn't connected
Speaker 1: at all. And it wasn't that I was out, you know,
Speaker 1: doing blow all night and stuff like. It was just
Speaker 1: I was I was completely separate, and I was in
Speaker 1: a bad dark place. I could barely get out of bed.
Speaker 1: I felt like a lot of mornings. Um, And uh,
Speaker 1: maybe I was susceptible too, because I believe there's about
Speaker 1: a good and evil all the time going on around
Speaker 1: and maybe I was at that time of my life
Speaker 1: really susceptible to that entity tricking with my mind. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but I can tell you the stuff that
Speaker 1: went down that house. I mean, it would be you know,
Speaker 1: clear's day. I go down and get a drink of water,
Speaker 1: and and the garbage disposal was underneath the sink. You
Speaker 1: have to flip the switch, turn it on, and I
Speaker 1: will be walking off on that thing with bag cut
Speaker 1: back off. I turn around, I look and all the
Speaker 1: hairs be up in my arm. And I walked back
Speaker 1: off and would just go old house. That's what I
Speaker 1: would say. If I be like old house, like, I
Speaker 1: would look up underneath the switch is still off. I can,
Speaker 1: I can. I got a million of those. There was
Speaker 1: a there's a pantry and it used to have a
Speaker 1: hole in the floor, and I'm the only one there.
Speaker 1: And I would at night, you know, late at night,
Speaker 1: you know, I go in, maybe get get a snack
Speaker 1: out of the pantry, and I look and the basement,
Speaker 1: the basement was a spooky spacement. Ever, but the light
Speaker 1: would be on underneath the pantry foollboard, and I'd be like,
Speaker 1: I know I cut that off. I know that wasn't on.
Speaker 1: I was in here last time, cut it off. Come
Speaker 1: back this morning. Thing was on. You have to flip
Speaker 1: the switch on the turn it off. I mean a
Speaker 1: short if the if the switch is off, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna get a short like it's not you know so.
Speaker 1: But the kicker was I'd be laid in my bed
Speaker 1: and it's happened about three times. And on the second time,
Speaker 1: I told my manager said, hey, to me, a favorite
Speaker 1: look from your place. And this happened as I really
Speaker 1: settled into the house and was living there. I've been
Speaker 1: writing songs there for four or five years and people
Speaker 1: have had little stuff happened. But the minute it was
Speaker 1: like I moved in there at all, kind of started
Speaker 1: building up and it was almost like they were going like, oh, buddy,
Speaker 1: you got dried, you got to get you know so.
Speaker 1: But I can remember laying there in bed about three
Speaker 1: and it always happened close to three o'clock. I remember
Speaker 1: laying there and that my bed and I don't know
Speaker 1: what grenades sound like. I got no clue, but it
Speaker 1: would be like us being this room and it sounds
Speaker 1: like somebody's just setting grenades off all through your house,
Speaker 1: and it would sound like five people decided on the
Speaker 1: count of three, we're gonna raise as much as hell
Speaker 1: as we can, and every it sounded like. And I
Speaker 1: was in a tiny room and it sounded like there
Speaker 1: was a fist on every inch of the wall on
Speaker 1: all around me, just slamming and banging. And you can
Speaker 1: imagine waking up to that feeling like the fear of
Speaker 1: that first of all, feeling like someone's break into your house.
Speaker 1: The second of all, this is a whole another bag,
Speaker 1: to the point where my bed was physically shaken, like
Speaker 1: there's like the house the foundation was almost shaken. My
Speaker 1: bed was moving, and I wake up and I would
Speaker 1: come to and it would last for three or four
Speaker 1: seconds as I had woken up, and the fear behind
Speaker 1: that man was just and I would try to just
Speaker 1: I pray and be like, I'm not gonna let this
Speaker 1: bother me. I'm good, and I eventually lay back down.
Speaker 1: And it happened about three different times. I had a
Speaker 1: broom from me to you, sweeping ten solid seconds to
Speaker 1: where I just sat up, and I mean every hair
Speaker 1: and I just kind of I know, I'm not hearing
Speaker 1: a broom beside me right now, and I lay back down.
Speaker 1: After it would stop, I lay back down and it
Speaker 1: would start right back up. And I even like sat
Speaker 1: up in my bed. I cut the lights on, and
Speaker 1: I said at one point and said, hey, look clean
Speaker 1: all you want. I said, this place he's cleaning. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm good with you. You can clean all you want.
Speaker 1: Not I laid back down, but I was scared to death.
Speaker 1: But I was trying to get myself calm. But you know,
Speaker 1: that might have been a whole another thing. Man, that
Speaker 1: could have been I don't know. I mean, to me,
Speaker 1: it was a ghost, but it could have also been
Speaker 1: what I was talking about earlier. I'm not sure. I
Speaker 1: still don't know what that was. So you moved. But
Speaker 1: and that hasn't happened since. No, I mean, I've barely
Speaker 1: been back in there since. I used to write in
Speaker 1: there every single day, and I wrote this whole new record.
Speaker 1: I didn't write one song in there, and that's kind
Speaker 1: of gave me a sense of piece because I feel
Speaker 1: like it's the best stuff I've done. But I felt
Speaker 1: like I was confined to I love that wild one's record,
Speaker 1: And like I said, I wrote almost everything in there.
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Speaker 1: I guess probably eight months or so, you and I
Speaker 1: met for breakfast and you were singing in the morning.
Speaker 1: I know that was a thing. Yeah, I was like,
Speaker 1: why are you singing in the morning, You're like my
Speaker 1: low end, it's best for my low end. No idea,
Speaker 1: that was even the thing. So explain that to me
Speaker 1: and to people who have no idea about the recording
Speaker 1: process and vocals, you know. And once again that was
Speaker 1: for me that that's kind of a thing for me
Speaker 1: is and the first thing in the morning before I've
Speaker 1: I've been talking a lot or singing because I sing
Speaker 1: like all my own harmonies on this record two. So
Speaker 1: you have to use a whole different You've got to
Speaker 1: really stretch that high end. And once you've burned that
Speaker 1: high end a whole lot, you know, you're singing for
Speaker 1: an hour straight. That low ends just kind of it's
Speaker 1: still there. I mean I was just I kind of
Speaker 1: naturally have a deeper voice, but it's the width and
Speaker 1: you can feel it on the mic, you can feel
Speaker 1: it in the control room. The width that I have
Speaker 1: in the morning is just different I have late at night.
Speaker 1: Once I'll burn that out, and it's just that's just me,
Speaker 1: just kind of learning from singing, you know, doing so
Speaker 1: many demos throughout the years and being like, man, my
Speaker 1: voice just in the morning, it feels like there's a
Speaker 1: whole different width to it. And maybe that's become a
Speaker 1: psychological thing too, but I just feel I feel really
Speaker 1: strong getting the most width out of my voice in
Speaker 1: the morning. Do you feel like you sing better in
Speaker 1: the shower? I wonder if legitimately great singers feel like
Speaker 1: they even sound better in the shower. I feel like
Speaker 1: everybody sounds better, but you do, like you ever seen
Speaker 1: the shower to go day? Because I do, and I'm
Speaker 1: even from a good singer, but you're a really good singer,
Speaker 1: do you sing it go? I'm even better in the shower.
Speaker 1: I think I'm pretty incredible in the show out. It's
Speaker 1: then's like it's like a natural reverb chamber. But then,
Speaker 1: why don't we create. Why don't I go into their studios?
Speaker 1: Why am I not like singing? It's some really good
Speaker 1: studio that never a lot of a lot of recordings nowadays.
Speaker 1: When you when you hear those old records, you hear
Speaker 1: Freddie Mercury, and you hear these old guys, um, those
Speaker 1: Guns and Roses records, all this stuff. Man, they were
Speaker 1: all singing in these You listen to these Zeppelin records
Speaker 1: that they're playing drums in this massive like stairwell where
Speaker 1: it's all that verb, like it used to be tracked
Speaker 1: a lot more that way. Um. Now everybody's trying to
Speaker 1: compress and get this tight tight, you know, trying to
Speaker 1: put pads all over these walls to lock everything in
Speaker 1: where it's just really dry sound, and they like mixing
Speaker 1: that way. It's just how times have kind of changed. Um.
Speaker 1: But I like singing in the Verbie room, and I
Speaker 1: you know, I there was a there was a little
Speaker 1: bit doing this new record more than I ever have,
Speaker 1: you know, having a little bit that natural verb in
Speaker 1: the room. And Blackbird has got like the greatest reverb
Speaker 1: chamber ever over there at that studio. But you don't
Speaker 1: really want to sing leads in there. Because it's just
Speaker 1: too boomy and then it just gets all washy. But
Speaker 1: backgrounds are amazing in that room. Talking about that for
Speaker 1: a second. That's interesting. So you'll sing leads in one place,
Speaker 1: but backgrounds and another. Yeah, like if you want to
Speaker 1: get like a big you know, big gang vocals, all
Speaker 1: that Death Leppard stuff that just sounds so massive on
Speaker 1: all that like Hysteria record, and you know, I'll guarantee
Speaker 1: you that was done in a massive reverb chamber. Um.
Speaker 1: And I know, like for wild Ones with with lipstick,
Speaker 1: you hey, when you're doing that this big haze. We
Speaker 1: got around all got around one mic, all six of
Speaker 1: us and did the big haze just because it just
Speaker 1: kind of sounds like a swirling all around you. Where
Speaker 1: you want your that lead vocal to you know, speak
Speaker 1: right to you kind of thing. I still like having
Speaker 1: old schoolbird want to leave vocal um, but for the
Speaker 1: most part, you want that to be a little tighter
Speaker 1: on this new record. I'll talk about that for a second,
Speaker 1: because I think you went through this process a little
Speaker 1: different than you have before. You did a lot more
Speaker 1: of this yourself kind of and I've read the stuff,
Speaker 1: but I've heard you talk about it too. So why
Speaker 1: did you approach this record different than the last because
Speaker 1: you recorded somebody with that telling anybody right? Um? First off,
Speaker 1: you know, I did the first two records with Brett James,
Speaker 1: who Man, I I take a bullet for Brett to more. Man.
Speaker 1: I love that dude with all my heart and and
Speaker 1: we're like brothers. Um. And he's amazing. Brett's such an
Speaker 1: incredible songwriter, musician, singer, everything. UM. But I just I
Speaker 1: felt like on this one, I had been writing these songs,
Speaker 1: and I've been living with him so much, and we
Speaker 1: we were great at co producing records together, but we
Speaker 1: were we butt heads a lot. We would and I
Speaker 1: mean I'd hear one party here another part, and I
Speaker 1: felt like sometimes that took a little bit of a
Speaker 1: strain on our friendship a little bit. Um. Brett's one
Speaker 1: of the best friends I've ever had. UM. And I
Speaker 1: just felt like going into this one, as far as
Speaker 1: that part goes, I've been living with these song so much.
Speaker 1: I've already been you know, I'll lay in my bunk
Speaker 1: and I'll after I come with the guitar riff or
Speaker 1: whatever that's kind of inspired me in that day, I'll
Speaker 1: sing all the parts that I'm hearing like around that,
Speaker 1: like I'll just start building the track vocally. I'll build
Speaker 1: a whole track just singing wise, where I'm singing the
Speaker 1: beat and then I'm layering like Okay, this is what
Speaker 1: the baseline is gonna do, and I'll do all that
Speaker 1: and I'll sing, Okay, this guitar part is gonna do
Speaker 1: this on the second bar right here on on the
Speaker 1: four chord, and I'll kind of sing all these different layers.
Speaker 1: And I had it. Yeah. So it was one of
Speaker 1: those things where I knew exactly what I wanted. I
Speaker 1: knew exactly how I wanted to sound. Um, So when
Speaker 1: I went in I didn't want anybody giving me pushback
Speaker 1: on I knew what I wanted, and I knew I
Speaker 1: wanted to go in there and sing a little bit um.
Speaker 1: You know. I wanted to do some funky stuff that
Speaker 1: I hadn't done before. And I believe so much in
Speaker 1: the melodies of this record. Um, but I did. I
Speaker 1: I kind of why I once had only been out
Speaker 1: for a year. It really wasn't time to As far
Speaker 1: as the country world goes, you know, it's it's still
Speaker 1: that whole cycle of you make a record every two
Speaker 1: or three years, which drives me crazy, drives me crazy,
Speaker 1: drives me crazy. Um So, and I'm always writing, but
Speaker 1: I kind of gathered this handful of songs that I
Speaker 1: believed in a whole lot. Man, this is a really
Speaker 1: cool thing and been kind of creating. Um So I
Speaker 1: went in and uh, I just recorded like four or
Speaker 1: five of them, and I went in like as a
Speaker 1: you know, in like a record style, like I'm you know,
Speaker 1: approaching it like a record and they came back and
Speaker 1: I was just I was so happy with him, and
Speaker 1: I just kind of went to see Brian right now
Speaker 1: in our red and I said, man, I just I
Speaker 1: want you to hear what I've been doing. You tell
Speaker 1: me what you think. I've been recording some sides. And
Speaker 1: I played him for him and he called me back
Speaker 1: and he was just kind of flipping over and he
Speaker 1: was like, I gotta go place for the label right now,
Speaker 1: all right. So the next thing I know, I'm getting
Speaker 1: a call a few days later and he's like, you
Speaker 1: gotta go in and make a record. This is great,
Speaker 1: we gotta get this stuff now. So for the next
Speaker 1: eight or nine months, that's all I did. Every time
Speaker 1: I got the road. I was recording right and trying
Speaker 1: to finish that record over the last year. So you
Speaker 1: do four or five songs. But then when you know
Speaker 1: you're doing a record, does that change how are your
Speaker 1: writing songs? Because at first it feels like you're writing
Speaker 1: for you, you're creating for you, you don't know where
Speaker 1: it's gonna go. Now you have a direction where you
Speaker 1: know where's going to go. Does that change the creative
Speaker 1: process in your head? I think before it might have. Um,
Speaker 1: but I think I was in such a confident headspace
Speaker 1: where I was going and I knew what I wanted
Speaker 1: to do, and I knew what I wanted to say
Speaker 1: that um yeah, I just I was more just kind
Speaker 1: of like, all right, I'm I'm ready to go. I'm
Speaker 1: ready to do this, and and I recorded only thirteen
Speaker 1: are gonna make the record? And I probably wrote thirty
Speaker 1: for this project, and uh recorded twenty one of them.
Speaker 1: Because you just getting so close to the songs and
Speaker 1: you're like okay, and then a lot of times you're
Speaker 1: going into to track one and that's when you realize,
Speaker 1: all right, this song is not quite as good as
Speaker 1: I thought. And what tracking means is you have a
Speaker 1: band played this song like, yeah, like comeing to scratch
Speaker 1: over the top of it. Um. But I mean like
Speaker 1: in tracking, a lot of the tracking idea, like a
Speaker 1: lot of this record was just me and David Garcia
Speaker 1: in his house and that was a very different process
Speaker 1: for me too. Well, we just played all the instruments
Speaker 1: and we just built it from the ground up in
Speaker 1: his house. Um. I did a track with the band
Speaker 1: on about it, um, and UM, you know I would
Speaker 1: I would play the instruments on that too, and and
Speaker 1: you know, get all the music down first and then
Speaker 1: I do the vocals after. Guitar man was the only
Speaker 1: one where that's the main and when I can't wait
Speaker 1: through the here. It was all on one take and
Speaker 1: it happened really spontaneous where we had the full band
Speaker 1: playing it, and when the take was over, it never
Speaker 1: felt right to me. We'd probably played it five or
Speaker 1: six times as a full band, and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: something just not speaking right to me on this song.
Speaker 1: And we all took a break to step away from it,
Speaker 1: and Tom Bukavac and Dave Cohen, we're just kind of
Speaker 1: sitting there messing with each other, just the organ and
Speaker 1: one guitar and I told I told him as I
Speaker 1: acted like, I was just like, hey, start over, like
Speaker 1: you're playing that from the top, just kind of mess
Speaker 1: around with each other. And I hit record without him
Speaker 1: even really knowing it, and I walked into the vocal
Speaker 1: booth and sang it from the top down in one take.
Speaker 1: And so that whole take that you hear on the
Speaker 1: record is just all of us in one take. That's
Speaker 1: so that's gonna be. That ended up being the song,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think it's you know, I think
Speaker 1: it's the most powerful track on the record. So um yeah,
Speaker 1: So that some really cool organic stuff happened like that
Speaker 1: on this record. And then that's not gonna make it.
Speaker 1: You said you gotta cut songs. No, I've already. I've
Speaker 1: got the records done. I got thirteen, like we I
Speaker 1: just got my master copy yesterday. So that's exciting, right man.
Speaker 1: It's do you like hearing? You like hearing yourself back? Yeah?
Speaker 1: When you've worked that hard? Yeah, I mean you love hearing, Like, Uh,
Speaker 1: I get weird if I go to a gym or
Speaker 1: something and they assume just because I played country music, Oh,
Speaker 1: get more than here. Let's put on a country playlist
Speaker 1: that he's you know what, I feel weird doing that
Speaker 1: field was are so you say you're going somewhere sometimes
Speaker 1: I'll turn you one good. Like I guess I kind
Speaker 1: of feel like an asshole, you know I do. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm a freaking asshole in the gym right now. Plays
Speaker 1: turn on country music, you know, like I'll get picked up,
Speaker 1: you know, you get picked up from a venue and
Speaker 1: they're like, Okay, let's turn on the country station. They
Speaker 1: turn them. I'm like, hey, country music. It's not the
Speaker 1: only thing I listened to. I played country music. But
Speaker 1: but uh, but yeah, man, I mean like getting back
Speaker 1: that master copy um and and riding around and here
Speaker 1: and what you've worked at so hard and hear it
Speaker 1: back and it's came out even better than you hope.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a it's and that's the and that's
Speaker 1: the part where I wouldn't trade this job for nothing.
Speaker 1: You know, It's like that feeling I'm one of the
Speaker 1: few people on this planet. It gets to have that
Speaker 1: exhilarating feeling man, of just like you've you stepped out,
Speaker 1: you've put yourself for exposure to be completely bashed, man,
Speaker 1: and just having that excitement of like this might be
Speaker 1: this might be amazing, this might be lightning in a bottle,
Speaker 1: that's the cool thing. It might tank. But when when
Speaker 1: I was telling some of this other day, like, I
Speaker 1: have such a sense of piece about me now because
Speaker 1: it's like not that I didn't with while one, because
Speaker 1: I made the record I wanted to make. But this one,
Speaker 1: more than any project, I did the exact songs I
Speaker 1: wanted to. There was no outside influence. I recorded them
Speaker 1: exactly like I wanted to. The sounds were exactly like
Speaker 1: I wanted to. I did this red Ord just like
Speaker 1: I had it in my head, and I followed through
Speaker 1: with it, and I stuck to my guns, and I'm okay,
Speaker 1: if it feels like I can lay my head on
Speaker 1: my pillow at night going, I did it exactly how
Speaker 1: I wanted to. So if that, if that doesn't work,
Speaker 1: I can sleep. I can live with that. But I
Speaker 1: can't live with is, you know. I mean, I even
Speaker 1: had people when I was I wasn't working at radio,
Speaker 1: you know, And I understand it from the label side,
Speaker 1: they won't, you know, they've seen this artists that all
Speaker 1: of a sudden had this breakout record that okay, we're
Speaker 1: gonna make some money off. It's all. It's all about money,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's a business, you know,
Speaker 1: so we want to keep this train going. And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you got a couple of slip ups,
Speaker 1: and it was like when they shelve that next record,
Speaker 1: it was like everybody started sending me songs, and man,
Speaker 1: I hated them, but I was smart enough to hear
Speaker 1: him and go, that's a hit song. It's a hit song.
Speaker 1: I know it, say hit. I could sing this, let's
Speaker 1: be hit the more. But I couldn't. First off, I
Speaker 1: couldn't stand on stage and sing that every night. I
Speaker 1: don't believe it. Second of all, if it didn't work,
Speaker 1: that's when I'm really going to freaking spiral downward. Like
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't lay my head on my pillow
Speaker 1: at night. So for me, it was like I politely,
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm paraphrasing, but I can remember. I
Speaker 1: wrote one of the people that labeled I'm really close with,
Speaker 1: and he just you know, I don't know what his
Speaker 1: reaction to it was. I never got a response, but
Speaker 1: I didn't sent like seven or eight songs. You know,
Speaker 1: we're all thinking you should cut one of these for
Speaker 1: your next single, you know whatever. And I I said, look, guys,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you'all trying to help me. I understand where
Speaker 1: your heart's at. I know that y'all want the best
Speaker 1: for this, and I want the best for this whole thing.
Speaker 1: But if I said I'll quick playing music, I'll never
Speaker 1: touch a guitar again if I have to recording of
Speaker 1: these songs, it's not happening. Sin And that's what I sent,
Speaker 1: And so no I ever wrote back to me. And
Speaker 1: that's and that's when I and after that, you know,
Speaker 1: I was still in the font for a while, but
Speaker 1: it was it was a couple of months after that
Speaker 1: when I really kind of picked myself back up and
Speaker 1: started writing Slow Heart. What got you out of that?
Speaker 1: What made you pick yourself back up? I think there's
Speaker 1: a lot of things. I think that for me a
Speaker 1: big thing kind of coming back. Um, whenever I'm connected
Speaker 1: to my faith, whenever I'm just spending time in that,
Speaker 1: I'm in a lot more peace. And it's the crazy
Speaker 1: thing about that is I know that about myself, yet
Speaker 1: I'll still push it aside. I'll push it aside for
Speaker 1: months sometimes and then I'll get back into it, um,
Speaker 1: and that's when I'm at the most piece. I think
Speaker 1: there was a combination of that. I think that a
Speaker 1: big thing happened to um day, you know, and I've
Speaker 1: already written probably half of it when this happened, but
Speaker 1: it was a whole another half. I was Dave Lapsley,
Speaker 1: who's you know, one of the closest people to me
Speaker 1: in my life. Was my guitar player since the day
Speaker 1: that I moved here. I mean, he believed in me
Speaker 1: from day one, and he was playing me for twelve
Speaker 1: or thirteen years and he was I mean he was,
Speaker 1: we were We were thick as thieves, and I just
Speaker 1: shared everything with Dave and he went on all the
Speaker 1: radio tour stuff and it was just me and him
Speaker 1: and you know the bond you create doing that, trying
Speaker 1: to get somewhere together. Um. And even before I had
Speaker 1: a record deal, me and him were touring out of
Speaker 1: my jeep for like three years. See A believed in
Speaker 1: me a long time ago, and they were getting the
Speaker 1: gigs every weekend. I was gone opening for Trace or
Speaker 1: Billy or whatever. But you know the game, and there
Speaker 1: was no money in it, so it's just me and
Speaker 1: him and a Jeep not guaranteed a dime and having
Speaker 1: a hustle, me selling one T shirt and the demo
Speaker 1: that I wasn't supposed to sail back there and like
Speaker 1: two or three songs and the people still show up
Speaker 1: with those old demos and UM and him, you know,
Speaker 1: I I tell him to go hustle and go make
Speaker 1: friends and find us a place crashed tonight and he'd
Speaker 1: find se. We we crashed on fans floors for two
Speaker 1: or three years, every single show, after every show, and
Speaker 1: I'd sell the merch and uh so I say all
Speaker 1: that because he was like a brother to me. And UM,
Speaker 1: back in like December, you know, at the end of
Speaker 1: our tour, he said, you know, and he had been
Speaker 1: obviously contemplates for a while, but his wife got offered
Speaker 1: this really huge job for a for Apple, and um
Speaker 1: they had to move to Minneapolis, and he was like, man,
Speaker 1: she she really wants his job. You know, it's a
Speaker 1: whole lot of money, and UM, you know we're gonna
Speaker 1: do it. You know, that was like the biggest blow
Speaker 1: for me. It was such a blow because when you
Speaker 1: go through all of that and at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, it all a lot of times comes down
Speaker 1: the money had we been a big successful band by
Speaker 1: the end, which we're you know, in that stage of
Speaker 1: we're successful, but you're not making the kind of money
Speaker 1: with the worries like that go away with family and
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. And he's got a family
Speaker 1: to take care of. And I felt so like responsible
Speaker 1: for that, and it was just it was the most
Speaker 1: it was. It was heartache for me. I mean I
Speaker 1: I shed tears of the whole thing because I always
Speaker 1: had this dream of us getting to this mountaintop together
Speaker 1: and me and him standing on that and just being like, man,
Speaker 1: look who we did, you know, and that's with all
Speaker 1: my band, but you know he was with me first. Um,
Speaker 1: So that's when I kind of went away. I went
Speaker 1: out and surf for a month and and MAUI then
Speaker 1: surf for a month Coast Rico and went to Iceland.
Speaker 1: During all that time, man, I just I just finally
Speaker 1: started letting go of all that burden of that man
Speaker 1: and just kind of I was carrying all that weight
Speaker 1: even before that, feeling like you gotta keep the whole
Speaker 1: train movement, which I'm sure you do. Sometimes You've got
Speaker 1: people are now that are employed because of the success
Speaker 1: of your show, and you feel that responsibility of and
Speaker 1: these people are counting on me to keep being creative
Speaker 1: and keep this thing going, and you feel like a
Speaker 1: failure when your songs aren't working. And even though our
Speaker 1: show those we're doubling and tripling in size, it was
Speaker 1: like everybody else's viewing it as it was a failure,
Speaker 1: because people in Nashville are in such a bubble where
Speaker 1: you think it's all about you know, it's just radio,
Speaker 1: and if you're not working in radio, then well he
Speaker 1: must not be working. Let's push him to the side,
Speaker 1: and let's focus on this guy because he's got some
Speaker 1: hits going on over here. And I felt all that,
Speaker 1: you know, um, so I think it was a combination
Speaker 1: of all that. And then as I I got out
Speaker 1: there and I spent some time in prayer and I
Speaker 1: was surfering, I was finding that piece, and I just
Speaker 1: kind of I just came out on a different side,
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, if you ever supposed to happen,
Speaker 1: when he's gonna happen, this is all divine playing however
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be. And all I can do is
Speaker 1: wake up and be happy that I've been blessed with
Speaker 1: this amazing life that I fought so hard to have,
Speaker 1: and I don't know how long it's gonna last. You
Speaker 1: don't know how long your thing's gonna last. And it
Speaker 1: was just a sense of peace in that after I
Speaker 1: really sat down and think about it. It's not my fault,
Speaker 1: you know, of that the thing with Dave didn't work out,
Speaker 1: and letting go of all that garbage, and man, when
Speaker 1: I came out on the other side, on the other side,
Speaker 1: man that the music. I started showing. The music, the
Speaker 1: melodies started showing in this sense of even the song
Speaker 1: like Bittersweet Company, that's such a heart wrenching lyric. It
Speaker 1: was like these amazing, happy melodies on top of which
Speaker 1: was the Jukes of Motown, which was I love about Motown.
Speaker 1: But um, just when you hear this record, man, you
Speaker 1: can sense it. There's a better place mentally that I
Speaker 1: got to the as much as I love Wild Ones,
Speaker 1: where I was when I created Wild Ones. You talk
Speaker 1: about a mountaintop, What is your mountain top? I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think that That's another thing Bobby. For me
Speaker 1: for so long it was happiness was Man, when we're
Speaker 1: finally headlining that big arena and we're finally playing that stadium,
Speaker 1: and and I just I see it completely different now,
Speaker 1: you know. Some other day was asked me, you know,
Speaker 1: what are your goals for two thousand and eighteen, And
Speaker 1: when I said I don't have any, they looked at
Speaker 1: me like I was crazy. That doesn't mean that I'm
Speaker 1: not ambitious, doesn't mean that I don't want to be
Speaker 1: the you know, be great at what I do. Doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that I still don't want to sell out stadiums
Speaker 1: and do that whole thing. But my my goal is
Speaker 1: to canntinue to make music and hopefully people show up
Speaker 1: and want to sing it, you know, and and to
Speaker 1: be on the stage with my best friends play and
Speaker 1: just to hope to that's my goal. That's my Now,
Speaker 1: I'm I find myself being so much more present, living
Speaker 1: in the moment as far as this year is gone
Speaker 1: with shows. It's like there's a there's a happiness because
Speaker 1: I'm I was always thinking about, oh god it, well,
Speaker 1: this has happening. I gotta I gotta try to fix this.
Speaker 1: Now we're not gonna get to this next spot. And
Speaker 1: I was always thinking ahead, which caused me to be
Speaker 1: a complete wreck as a human being. Um, and now
Speaker 1: it's and I still have that thing of I'm I'm
Speaker 1: always strategically Okay, we gotta focus on this and we
Speaker 1: gotta you know, I'm I'm still that guy, but I'm
Speaker 1: letting go of the stuff that I can't control. I'm
Speaker 1: enjoying the moments that are meant to be enjoyed. So
Speaker 1: I think that's been the biggest change for me. And
Speaker 1: I don't see a mountaintop anymore. It's it's. Man, that'd
Speaker 1: be awesome if we were able to play that stadium,
Speaker 1: but it's badass if we're headline in the theater to
Speaker 1: all right too, and we got three thousand people singing
Speaker 1: along like so um, My mindsets changed in that sense
Speaker 1: for sure. Talk about your live shows for a second,
Speaker 1: because you put a lot of work. I mean, you
Speaker 1: take the live shows seriously, you pay, have a lot
Speaker 1: of tension to the crowd, probably more than you should. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think I think to your detriment sometimes
Speaker 1: for sure, for sure. And that's another thing that I'm learning.
Speaker 1: I've gotten better at that, man, Like I'm I'm starting
Speaker 1: to really you know, even after our conversation, you know,
Speaker 1: I thought about the Steve Martin thing that you were
Speaker 1: telling me about last time. You know, I had a
Speaker 1: couple of shows here recently, man was I mean it
Speaker 1: was just insanity, insanity the shows And I saw a
Speaker 1: couple of despondent faces that usually would have I would
Speaker 1: have been like, so why can't why why are they
Speaker 1: enjoying themselves? They might be enjoying the self, they enjoying
Speaker 1: them selves in a different way. But I was quickly
Speaker 1: able to be like, let's keep playing like I you know,
Speaker 1: just and it was it felt good to be that way. Um,
Speaker 1: but I do man, I take I take it serious.
Speaker 1: I've never missed a sound check my whole career. I've
Speaker 1: never missed a sound check. Um, I'm super I'm I'm
Speaker 1: super locked in when the show's even going on while
Speaker 1: I'm entertaining. And the next day I'll be like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, brod are you You didn't You didn't You
Speaker 1: didn't play the five chord on the on the fourth
Speaker 1: bar of the course last night, the second course, you
Speaker 1: know whatever, you come look at me and be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I did No, you didn't. You missed it. You missed
Speaker 1: a note and you were flat on the bend on
Speaker 1: the opening your lipstick. I wasn't, Yeah you were. Uh
Speaker 1: you know, Dusty played the I'll record all the shows
Speaker 1: and we played the board back and well listen, I'll
Speaker 1: be right there and I'll go all right, you know,
Speaker 1: I got you, And they'll be like, he were you
Speaker 1: paying attention to that? And I'm like, so, I'm super
Speaker 1: hyper focused with stuff like that, because man, I just
Speaker 1: I think about being a great band. The bands and
Speaker 1: inspired me. Man I just how amazingly locked in they
Speaker 1: were on stage. And I also think about so many
Speaker 1: of these people. That's why I never I've seen through
Speaker 1: strep throat a million times I've gotten early on my career,
Speaker 1: I was always sick from all the travel and I
Speaker 1: wasn't sleep and I was always sick. You know, I
Speaker 1: won't canceled shows. I'm sure I'll probably they'll they will
Speaker 1: come a time when I just physically can't do them
Speaker 1: one day. But I try to see him through everything.
Speaker 1: Um I these people, you know, some of them are
Speaker 1: making minimum ways and they've been saving up for this show.
Speaker 1: They've been saving for months and looking forward to this show.
Speaker 1: And I can't just go out and go through the motions. Man,
Speaker 1: I gotta give them everything we got. And that's the
Speaker 1: only reason that during that law, because radio is so
Speaker 1: huge for any artists. Any artist's line when they say
Speaker 1: they don't want to be played on the radio and
Speaker 1: something like all the big guns, Tom Petty Merle Haggard
Speaker 1: was like, I'm just dying for one more hit, you know,
Speaker 1: towards anything. Everybody wants to be heard by the masses.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I mean that's you want
Speaker 1: your songs to be heard. Doesn't mean that you're setting
Speaker 1: out if you get heard by the masses. That's there's
Speaker 1: been so many of our favorite songs we've sing along
Speaker 1: with our whole life. They weren't sell out songs. They
Speaker 1: were just amazing songs. And you're always willing to write
Speaker 1: that amazing song like a song like guitar Man, and
Speaker 1: you're hoping that it gets heard by your fan base, yes,
Speaker 1: but you're hoping that it gets heard by millions of
Speaker 1: others that never had a chance to hear your music.
Speaker 1: You know, that's a special thing. Righting down the road
Speaker 1: and hearing your song on the radio. Man's that's a
Speaker 1: powerful thing. Um So I can't remember what the hell
Speaker 1: we were talking about. Oh yeah, So for me, it's
Speaker 1: just like, you know, I just look at it, like
Speaker 1: the way we poured ourselves and the way we were
Speaker 1: so attended to detail and trying to give every ounce
Speaker 1: of ourselves every night during those you know, up until
Speaker 1: kind of running for you, but more with this song
Speaker 1: is kind of this song is kind of the first
Speaker 1: time that I'm really having some momentum since Pretty Girl.
Speaker 1: But our fan base has tripled in size through this
Speaker 1: lull where a lot of people the minute that radio
Speaker 1: has gone, artists is dead in the water. And that's
Speaker 1: just a fact. Um. But we I think because we've
Speaker 1: prided ourselves so much on that live show and staying
Speaker 1: authentic to ourselves that we've we've been able to thrive
Speaker 1: during this downtime. Let me play this new song here,
Speaker 1: so right now when you hear this, you hear this
Speaker 1: a year from now, and this won't be the new song,
Speaker 1: but right now, more girls like you. So God name
Speaker 1: and what part of the process did you record this song?
Speaker 1: I recorded this uh back in December early December. Um
Speaker 1: that was that was Josh Miller um singing a piece
Speaker 1: of that course a line from that course. Um he
Speaker 1: he said, Uh. All he had was want to reach
Speaker 1: for a proud of stuff, set it on a ring,
Speaker 1: put it on your hand, and that was kind of
Speaker 1: all we had. And then it was like we had
Speaker 1: the melody, but that was kind of the only line,
Speaker 1: and then I just kind of went straight into that,
Speaker 1: and then I started playing that acoustic riff that you're
Speaker 1: here in the beginning, and then the melody. I immediately
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I haven't living I go out
Speaker 1: old Mustang Montana Fields and I was just kind of
Speaker 1: singing about my life. And we didn't quite know where
Speaker 1: the song was going at that time, but I could
Speaker 1: tell by the line he said, you know I want
Speaker 1: to reach for the bight of star and sell in
Speaker 1: the ring. Well, all right, well we're talking about, you know,
Speaker 1: finding that right person. So then it was me talking
Speaker 1: about my life in that opening verse, and uh, I've
Speaker 1: been living like a wild on Montona Fields. Might earn
Speaker 1: me a bad ritation and never stopped these wheels, And
Speaker 1: that was just kind of like, you know, I might
Speaker 1: have heard the grumbles of different things about the way
Speaker 1: I live or whatever, but it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I just keep going on about it. But I was
Speaker 1: trying to find a way in an interesting way to
Speaker 1: get to what he was saying. And then we just
Speaker 1: we started flying with that, me and Josh and David
Speaker 1: Garcia and Steven Lee Olsen. May I listen to that
Speaker 1: song the first line again, I've been living like a
Speaker 1: wild old Mustang out of Montana fields. Might earn me
Speaker 1: a bad reputation, but never stopped these weeks from rolling
Speaker 1: and going too far, from from going and rolling too far,
Speaker 1: running and gunning a little too hard, so unrained, so untamed.
Speaker 1: I was just picturing, and I had the image in
Speaker 1: my head I was pictured. Montana is one of my
Speaker 1: favorite places. I just I love the people of Montana
Speaker 1: so much. I love being out there. And I was
Speaker 1: just picturing this wide open range in my head that
Speaker 1: I've seen as we've passed through Monte on the bus,
Speaker 1: and picture in this wild horse that you can't quite
Speaker 1: And that was the image. And I'll ride around. Image
Speaker 1: is a whole lot. I'll get an image in my
Speaker 1: head and then I'll ride around how that pertains to
Speaker 1: my life and that So that was in my head
Speaker 1: as I sped out that first set of verses. Is
Speaker 1: that you you feel like that you like that verse? Man?
Speaker 1: I mean it's I know that I've been aloof and
Speaker 1: hard to rain in. I know it many times. I've
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of people that I've really you know,
Speaker 1: you know, not a lot. I don't even know why. Hell,
Speaker 1: I just said a lot. I've I've gotten close to
Speaker 1: a couple of people and in my journey along this
Speaker 1: whole thing, And I know that I've I've been tough
Speaker 1: to rain in. Like I know that about myself. I've
Speaker 1: been so just trying to go after this thing so
Speaker 1: hard man, that it's just it's taken up all my
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Speaker 1: all right, So I want to talk about give me
Speaker 1: one second, Bob, and he's the bathroom, all right, Kith
Speaker 1: was gonna go to the bathroom, go to my bathroom. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna keep it. We're gonna keep rolling. So you
Speaker 1: just go for it. The rule of this is we
Speaker 1: don't stop the tape and we don't edit. So I
Speaker 1: believe this is the first time ever that anyone has
Speaker 1: had to go to the bathroom. I think Jaco and
Speaker 1: had to go, but he didn't say they held it
Speaker 1: the whole time. That's funny. So he happens in my
Speaker 1: bathroom minute ago. And he walked and he was like,
Speaker 1: I also am a single man because there's just it's
Speaker 1: just so I like temperary glasses in there, because I
Speaker 1: have a bunch of different kind of glasses. And he
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I get it, I get it. And
Speaker 1: I was like, you're the actually the first person that's
Speaker 1: ever because I didn't mean my bathroom doorp with Cole
Speaker 1: here the other day my bedroom door. And my bedroom
Speaker 1: is right next to this studio, and we have a
Speaker 1: bathroom that's actually in the studio, but it's like a
Speaker 1: toilet and there's no soap, and there's like back to
Speaker 1: the books, it's kind of a storage room with a toilet.
Speaker 1: And so anyway, keeps in my bathroom right now. And here,
Speaker 1: let's hear that little song from kit more. Here. Let's
Speaker 1: see how about something by a truck. Here we go
Speaker 1: the girl and a red sun dress or another kids
Speaker 1: and there we go, he's coming back it's a beautiful
Speaker 1: they come out you guys. Yeah, like that bathroom messy
Speaker 1: huh it is? I told you I'm a single dude,
Speaker 1: and it looks like mine. I can't I can't hate
Speaker 1: on you that. But you got a record player just
Speaker 1: like mine in there. It's a good record player, man,
Speaker 1: I love that freaking thing. I got two of those
Speaker 1: in my house, like one upstairs and one down. What's uh?
Speaker 1: What do you? Let's say you go home tonight. What
Speaker 1: are you gonna put on right now? I have got
Speaker 1: a Dann Vogelberg album on the right now. But I
Speaker 1: had a James Taylor on the night before. UM had
Speaker 1: an old deal dealing record. Um. Yeah, A tough day.
Speaker 1: You tell me what song you put on? Yeah, a
Speaker 1: tough day. It's a tough day. Uh. Stolen car Bruce
Speaker 1: springstey Man because that song just rips your heart out,
Speaker 1: That's what it does. Song just completely and I like
Speaker 1: to a lot of people it's funny, man, Like I'll
Speaker 1: meet people who like, you know, whenever they're broken hearted
Speaker 1: or wherever they're going through a bad time. I don't
Speaker 1: want to listen to anything you know, sad like I
Speaker 1: just I want to get my you know, I like
Speaker 1: tapping into that part of my soul. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't try to run from it. Like I like tapping
Speaker 1: into it and getting it out there. Stolen car right
Speaker 1: from the river Verret. It's so honest. The song is
Speaker 1: so honest. Man. It's we got married and we swore
Speaker 1: we never part, but a little by a little, you know.
Speaker 1: It's it's He's sorrows him and any Lennox and uh,
Speaker 1: Patty Griffin. I think he sings sorrow better than anybody
Speaker 1: than into that. Man. That's interesting to say singing sorrow
Speaker 1: because when I think of singing sorrow, I think of
Speaker 1: Michael Stipe. Do you think of who Michael Stipe from
Speaker 1: R m oh Man? I think I think about sorrow singers.
Speaker 1: That's the That's the interesting concept. Sorry, Like who are
Speaker 1: the best singing sorrow? So well? Man, um uh, what's
Speaker 1: the song I'm thinking about? Man? That's um oh gosh.
Speaker 1: In that movie Love Actually um when she finds out
Speaker 1: finally finds out that he's that that he's having an
Speaker 1: affair with the young girl at the office, and there's
Speaker 1: that song that's I know the artists and I'm all
Speaker 1: of a sudden I'm I have the soundtrack of did
Speaker 1: oh Johnny Mitchell, that's who sings that. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: both sides. Now, it's this song incredible lyric. If this
Speaker 1: song doesn't move you and there's something wrong, like with
Speaker 1: your soul, there's something missing. And this rolls and flos
Speaker 1: of angel hair, a nice cream castles in it and
Speaker 1: feather canyons everywhere. Book with clouds that way, but now
Speaker 1: they only block the song. You can hear emotion. She's
Speaker 1: talk about a clouds being these beautiful things and now
Speaker 1: how I look at him after heartbreak? They only block
Speaker 1: the sun, you know, they bring the rain. It's like,
Speaker 1: what a amazing way to write about that topic. And
Speaker 1: that's how she does the whole song. Man. I just
Speaker 1: I like to tap in the that stuff when I'm
Speaker 1: feeling that way. I mean, she's things sorrow, the best,
Speaker 1: simply the best. You're interesting guy to me because you've
Speaker 1: done a lot of different things, and you mentioned earlier
Speaker 1: you have basketball scholarship. You're a good athlete as a kid,
Speaker 1: So you want to play ball. I'm assuming you play golf.
Speaker 1: You're guard? Yeah, man I was. I was a point
Speaker 1: guard and yeah, man I I still have that trash
Speaker 1: talking to me when I go play. Did you love it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I loved it. I didn't love golf. I played golf
Speaker 1: because I looked up to my dad's so much. Um
Speaker 1: he was an amazing man that he was tough. He
Speaker 1: was really tough growing up. Um. I have so much
Speaker 1: appreciation for him in so many unique ways now. And
Speaker 1: as he got older, he softened, and as we got
Speaker 1: older we learned how to handle him too. But growing
Speaker 1: up as a kid, he was the single most blunt
Speaker 1: human being ever met. He's a dying breed. I mean
Speaker 1: he would shoot you so straight, and he would talk
Speaker 1: to a six year old the same way he would
Speaker 1: a thirty year old. There was no difference. And he
Speaker 1: didn't know how to sugarcoat stuff. Um, So that was
Speaker 1: really tough. As a kid. I could score thirty five
Speaker 1: in a game and come home and I would only
Speaker 1: hear about the mistakes that I made. And he was
Speaker 1: an incredible athlete. He was a three sport, you know,
Speaker 1: college athlete. He was pro golfer. My granddad was a progolfer.
Speaker 1: My great granddad was a progolfer. I never played golf.
Speaker 1: I never had any desire to, and He never pushed
Speaker 1: me to play. He never tried to put a club
Speaker 1: in my hand. My middle brother was an All American
Speaker 1: at golf um, and I had only like, you know,
Speaker 1: able in it when I was a kid. If I
Speaker 1: went out there to beat the golf course with him,
Speaker 1: and you know, the little you know, it's a little,
Speaker 1: tiny little club in our little hometown, and and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I might go out there and riding three
Speaker 1: wheeow with him, and while he picked up balls, I
Speaker 1: might hit a couple. But I never actually played until
Speaker 1: I quit baseball in my junior year and I was
Speaker 1: just waiting on basketball season. So it was my junior
Speaker 1: kind of going into my junior summer in my senior
Speaker 1: years about to start, and I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I had a couple of fans on the golf teams,
Speaker 1: like men. I was just gonna go hang out with
Speaker 1: the d the day, gon hit a few balls, go
Speaker 1: see my dad out there. And I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna just I'm gonna see if I can play this
Speaker 1: game kind of thing when I'm waiting on basketball season
Speaker 1: to start. And I remember being on the range and
Speaker 1: hitting and he came up behind me and he always
Speaker 1: made me nervous because I was always trying to make
Speaker 1: him be proud, and that still translate that translator over
Speaker 1: the music big time. Um. But I can remember him
Speaker 1: standing beside me, behind me. He didn't say a word
Speaker 1: like five minutes, and I was like, what does her thing?
Speaker 1: Was he do? And making me nervous? And I was
Speaker 1: kept hitting balls and he finally kind of walked up
Speaker 1: beside me and looked at me. And he was an
Speaker 1: intimidating guy too. He's a big, just stacked dude, and
Speaker 1: he he looked at me and he so I was damn.
Speaker 1: He said, your swing was ship when you were a
Speaker 1: little kid. I don't know what's happened, but you have
Speaker 1: one of them, you know, the most perfect plane and
Speaker 1: swings that I've seen. And it was I couldn't believe
Speaker 1: I was getting a compliment like that from me. So
Speaker 1: I became a maniac all of a sudden. That's all
Speaker 1: I did. Next morning, I was out there at seven am,
Speaker 1: and I was there until dark, hitting balls all day.
Speaker 1: And in one summer, you know, I basically was playing
Speaker 1: for four months and by the end of that summer,
Speaker 1: I was shooting the sixties. This was a maniac with it,
Speaker 1: and he was just always like he come out there
Speaker 1: when I was hitting. He was like, man, you keep
Speaker 1: doing this, You're gonna be something in this game. Like
Speaker 1: you you can play. So it just was all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, I wasn't even think about that. But I
Speaker 1: never loved the game. Was just I could play. I
Speaker 1: could really play. So it's a horrible putter, but uh,
Speaker 1: and he would boy, he would shoot you straight with that. Um.
Speaker 1: But um. But I still took my basketball shop ship
Speaker 1: and I wanted to do that for a while, and
Speaker 1: then I eventually just I wanted to see what I
Speaker 1: could do in that game. And I wanted to do
Speaker 1: it because he was always talking about when I go
Speaker 1: home any if you know, and you know, if you're
Speaker 1: going out and play with the golf team, and if
Speaker 1: you got to any ball. He was excited about how
Speaker 1: good I was. So I found myself just being like
Speaker 1: just a psychopath with practice, and I quit basketball and
Speaker 1: I put all my focus on that for like two
Speaker 1: or three years, and then when that was done, I
Speaker 1: just completely quit. I never really played anymore. I just
Speaker 1: kind of stopped every now and then, like you know,
Speaker 1: I'll talk a little trash to Jaco or somebody and
Speaker 1: be like, man, you can't play. I got there and play.
Speaker 1: I you know, I don't know. I've never played with Jake,
Speaker 1: but I teased with him. I went and did this
Speaker 1: thing for lady a couple of years ago, and he
Speaker 1: was he was chipping around. You know, Jake's just dressed
Speaker 1: at the dime, you know, he he he looks the
Speaker 1: fart out there. And I saw him chipping, and I
Speaker 1: was just trying to mess him. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: you've got a little hitch in your back swing right there.
Speaker 1: You're not quite on plane either, really, you know, am
Speaker 1: I not taking the back far? I could get this
Speaker 1: guy's head quick right here. Man, I could destroy him
Speaker 1: just in the middle game. But he had a good swing.
Speaker 1: Jake had a good swing. Colt, I've heard, I've held
Speaker 1: I've heard Coults a real baller, and I could, you know.
Speaker 1: And me and Colt were actually we both we love Jake,
Speaker 1: and we we were both kind of teasing with Jake.
Speaker 1: You know. Colt was kind of, you know, being like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: I'll take Jake's money. Man, when it comes out of money,
Speaker 1: he can't, he can't get it done. So but I've heard.
Speaker 1: You know, Colt played on nationwide tour and that's you
Speaker 1: gotta be a player to play on that. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's some really good players out there. What are you
Speaker 1: trying to stay with your music now? Like, what are
Speaker 1: you trying to say with your music? Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: have like a you know, people ask me what is
Speaker 1: your sound and what are you like? I don't have
Speaker 1: a specific thing that I'm trying to say. I'm just
Speaker 1: always trying to be authentic in my emotions and transparent
Speaker 1: with the the place that I'm at at that time
Speaker 1: of my life. And we get pressed all the time.
Speaker 1: We gotta send you gotta sing to the younger females.
Speaker 1: I was the one to buy other records, and I've
Speaker 1: always just been like, man, horseship man, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1: I can get up there and try to make the
Speaker 1: same record over and over just so I can. Man,
Speaker 1: I've seen what we've been building in an authentic fashion,
Speaker 1: and I believe it's because I have stayed true to myself,
Speaker 1: and I think that people are smart enough to see that.
Speaker 1: And I'll never make the same record twice like I'll
Speaker 1: keep I want to. I want this record to the
Speaker 1: stage of where I'm at my life right now, and
Speaker 1: you'll see that in the songs, you know. Um, And
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna try to stay relevant just by reaching
Speaker 1: that younger demographic, like I'm gonna I want my audience
Speaker 1: to grow with me in life as I'm growing. And
Speaker 1: there's not a specific thing I'm trying to say. It's
Speaker 1: just happening too, certain things like you know, like like
Speaker 1: more girls like you. That was a very honest depiction
Speaker 1: of where I was at kind of in that week
Speaker 1: in my my my thought process, you know. With just
Speaker 1: I remember I was watching a dad with his daughter
Speaker 1: out in the ocean, like a three weeks before I
Speaker 1: wrote that song, and and trying to teach her out
Speaker 1: to surf, and he couldn't serve himself and he was
Speaker 1: probably not teaching the right things. And she's been trying
Speaker 1: for two hours and couldn't get up, and so I
Speaker 1: paddled over to her, and she was probably nine ten
Speaker 1: years old, and uh, and I just sat out there
Speaker 1: with her for like forty five minutes and told her
Speaker 1: how to surf, and with within this forty five minutes,
Speaker 1: she was getting every time she was riding at great
Speaker 1: and she was so excited, and it just it just
Speaker 1: where that door has always been shut, I find, I
Speaker 1: find myself And it's not a maturing thing. It's just
Speaker 1: that my life has changed and I'm seeing things differently now.
Speaker 1: So it was just kind of I felt myself internally
Speaker 1: a lot more open to that balance in my life.
Speaker 1: And I don't need to be such a maniac with
Speaker 1: just the music because there's so much more. And I
Speaker 1: look forward and I look forward to that. I look
Speaker 1: forward to having a little girl and having you know,
Speaker 1: a wife and I'm crazy about you know, one day,
Speaker 1: and and have a place here and write songs, but
Speaker 1: also have that place over there in Molly when we
Speaker 1: can go hang out and stay and I can teach
Speaker 1: them both how to surf and hang out. Like I
Speaker 1: look forward to that. So, I mean, that's just where
Speaker 1: my head was at day. So that's what I wrote about.
Speaker 1: If my head is there in that place, I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna write about some bullshit about you know, just going
Speaker 1: party and or whatever you know that I'm not. I'm not,
Speaker 1: you know, gonna do that just to hopefully have a
Speaker 1: radio hit that relates to these people over here. Like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna write what's what I'm feeling at that time.
Speaker 1: I feel like you got a lot to say. I
Speaker 1: feel like we can talk like three hours here too.
Speaker 1: We already talked for over hour. Does it feel like
Speaker 1: that really? Oh? Yeah, over our like our minutes. I
Speaker 1: thought we've been here for like thirty minutes. I didn't.
Speaker 1: You don't even realize it. I'll be charging for the
Speaker 1: therapy bill. You're You're good at it, man, Like you
Speaker 1: know a lot of times we have to do interviews
Speaker 1: where it's, first of all, it's not even a conversation,
Speaker 1: doesn't I just reading cut cards and points and it's yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I mean like this is I can do this. Man.
Speaker 1: To be fair, I have the benefit of one knowing
Speaker 1: you better. Now. I don't need any pint, any paper,
Speaker 1: I have nothing. I'm done in front of me. Um.
Speaker 1: It's easier, easier when you know what's going and I
Speaker 1: don't even know, like I don't even I feel like
Speaker 1: I learned a lot about you in the last how
Speaker 1: so I appreciate the time and I can't wait. I
Speaker 1: can wait with the record to come out, Like there
Speaker 1: are songs I've never ever heard before you're talking about,
Speaker 1: like let me take that car. Yeah, Kevin, I went
Speaker 1: right the other day. Man, I've been talking about that. Man,
Speaker 1: I just I've never felt anything like that. Dude, that
Speaker 1: was insane. I just didn't know what car could do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my car goes fast. I appreciate that. White Episodes is
Speaker 1: Mike sixty eight. So record comes out because there was
Speaker 1: a debate, there were there were two dates went up September.
Speaker 1: September eight, record comes out because past the Tember you
Speaker 1: can check it out. Guitar man, as I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to hearing. I'm not even gonna hear it till the
Speaker 1: record comes out. Like I don't listen to music early
Speaker 1: because I like to listen to a lot people here
Speaker 1: for the first time. So I'll be waiting for September eight.
Speaker 1: Unless that's one of the bonus tracks. They'll be vinyl,
Speaker 1: so you'll have to like spend take a night, man,
Speaker 1: and pop it on your vinyl player. I appreciate the talk,
Speaker 1: A good one, all right, keep more episode sixty eight
Speaker 1: sixty that's Bobby Cats. Thank you very much, and we'll
Speaker 1: see you next time.