1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: I'm Todd black Ledge, a college football analyst with NBC Sports, 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: and this is the NFL Player's Second Acts Podcast. 3 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 2: Thank you for tuning in on Peanut Tooman and this 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 2: is the NFL Players Second Act Podcast with me as 5 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 2: always my boy, room match my energy. 6 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 3: Bring it up. Let's be uplifted, come home, get excited. No, no, 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 3: you were excited. 8 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: I am excited. Guess you've been geeked all day. You've 9 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 2: been like the notes, and I want you to introduce 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 2: this next guy. Well, our next guest. 11 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 4: Well, okay, I will, I will thank first and foremost 12 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 4: of the Carolina Panthers for hosting us here at the 13 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 4: Carolina Panthers Vision Studio underneath the Bank of America Stadium, 14 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,919 Speaker 4: right here in Charlotte, where we have a quote unquote 15 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 4: a local who now lives here and I'm not gonna 16 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 4: say where, but he lives here in the city of Charlotte. 17 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 3: Probably a good thing. 18 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 4: But I just I'm so excited, Peup, You're right, because 19 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:01,639 Speaker 4: I just didn't know. 20 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 2: He doesn't know this, how excited he was, how excited 21 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 2: Rome was to have this particular person on the show. 22 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 3: Rome's being geeked all day. I kidd Yes, so he 23 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 3: was in. 24 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 4: The heart of the legendary nineteen eighty three NFL draft, 25 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 4: amazing draft, which I just didn't know. I was born 26 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 4: eighty two. I just didn't know, all right, how he 27 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 4: played quarterback in league for seven years with the Chiefs 28 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 4: and the Steelers. In that sense, it's going to be 29 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 4: a legendary, I mean absolutely legendary broadcasting career with ABC, CBS, ESPN, 30 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 4: and he's currently with NBC Sports. He's also an author 31 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 4: and a motivational speaker. He's had great quotable moments. Yes, 32 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 4: in his life. We're gonna get welcome in mister Todd Blackley. 33 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,279 Speaker 3: Pleasure pleasure calling that I just know the voice. 34 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 4: I had no idea. 35 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 5: Great to be here. 36 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 2: You have no idea how happy this man is to 37 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 2: have you on this podcast. He and I kid you not. 38 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 2: I'm trying to give your flowers. Rome has been raving 39 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 2: about She was like, man, I didn't. 40 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 3: Know, did you know that in nineteen I didn't know. 41 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 5: Well, you don't know. You have no idea. 42 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: How old I feel knowing that I called some of 43 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: his games when he was playing in Alabama. 44 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 5: And now we're doing this interview again. 45 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 2: He's been geeked and is it really is an honor 46 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 2: to have you on a podcast now to be thank you. 47 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 4: We appreciate you coming on all right, So first and foremost, 48 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 4: you know, I got before we get to the question 49 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 4: that we have written down, I just got to tell 50 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 4: you personally how much it means that, like you said, 51 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 4: I've got to know you and vern just in passing 52 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 4: over the years and even the time in Dallas when 53 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 4: I got to just sit down and just just talk 54 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 4: to you for fifteen minutes, how much that meant to 55 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 4: you know that you actually listened to me, that you 56 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 4: listen to other people and kind of pouring into me 57 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 4: as as a person that's doing the TV business being 58 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 4: in the media space now after a post football career 59 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 4: that I didn't even know that you had, had the 60 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 4: long lineage that you had, But for you to take 61 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 4: time out of your schedule to pour into somebody else, 62 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 4: that always means a lot. To always give back. Where 63 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 4: did you get that from? And how often do you 64 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 4: actually get that opportunity to look forward to doing that? 65 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: Well, I would have to go all the way back 66 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: to I mean just the way I was raised, you know, 67 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 1: I mean my dad was a football coach for forty years. 68 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 5: So I grew up, you know, in a. 69 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: Very team mindset, and everything I did in every group 70 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 1: I'm a part of, and you know that whole idea 71 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: of just paying it forward, you know. I mean, so 72 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: I had people that spoke into me. And when the 73 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: early days of my career, I had a mentor who 74 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:34,679 Speaker 1: was the first boss I ever had in TV, A 75 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: guy guy the name by the name of Guido Delia, 76 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: who is the guy who started the first white out 77 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: at Penn State. He was the guy, he was the 78 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: mastermind behind that. 79 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 4: But he's been here. 80 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 5: Was that, I want to say, not early nineties. 81 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly when, but I first worked with him. 82 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: I first worked with him in uh, well, no, I'm sorry, 83 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: it would be early two thousands for the White House. 84 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: I first started working with him in the early nineties. 85 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,119 Speaker 1: And but he just you know, really took me under 86 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: his wing and kind of taught me about the business. 87 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 5: And really challenged me to move forward. 88 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: And so I just have always you know, I've been 89 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: doing it a long time now. This this coming year 90 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: will be my thirty fourth year of calling college football games. 91 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: So I feel like I've learned a few things and 92 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: anything I can pass along, you know, I'm happy to 93 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: do that. 94 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 2: So you are a man of quotes, and as as 95 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 2: a kid, I want to read a quote to you 96 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 2: and tell me what this means to you. Work will 97 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 2: win when wishing won't. 98 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 3: When you first heard that quote. 99 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: My dad and I had it on a little placard 100 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: that I had right above my door in my bedroom 101 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: when I was in high school, you know, and it 102 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: was just what I saw every day before I left 103 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: my room. And it's just the idea that you know, 104 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: everybody wishes for good things to happen, or wishes to 105 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: be a great player, have a great team, or be 106 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: a part of something great, you know, but it takes work. 107 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: And so it's just the idea. It's very simple, kind 108 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: of catch you to remember the sixth w use but 109 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: work wins when wishing won't, you know. And so if 110 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: you want something, you got to be willing to work 111 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: for it. 112 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 2: And how has that helped you just throughout your career 113 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 2: in broadcasting, football, everything else. 114 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: Well, it obviously helped me, you know, as a player, 115 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: because you know, the higher you go and the more 116 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: competitive it gets, you know, you got to bring it 117 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: every day to have a job and to keep a job. 118 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: And then in broadcasting, which kind of like you. When 119 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: I first started, I wasn't sure I was gonna be 120 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: able to make it a career or not. I had 121 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: to take a very entry level position doing games for 122 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: the Big East television network, kind of a regional package, 123 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: and wasn't getting paid very much money. And fortunately I 124 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: had saved a little bit from playing, so I could 125 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: give it a couple of years to see if it 126 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: would develop. But I just worked at it, man, I 127 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: grind it, and and you know, I by the time 128 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: I got an opportunity with a network with ABC, I 129 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: had done three years of regional games. I had done 130 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: some NFL preseason games, and I felt like, okay, ABC 131 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: only offered me six games, and I said, I'm willing 132 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: to take a bet on myself that I've got enough 133 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: in the bank now and enough reps that I think 134 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: I can do this. And that six games became twelve 135 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: and the thing took off after that. 136 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 4: And so another quote that I kind of got from 137 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 4: you just looking you up and maybe this is kind 138 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 4: of something you kind of poured into me and kind 139 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 4: of tell me what you think when I say it 140 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 4: is that it's a privilege to play it. That's what 141 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 4: I guess you told yourself when you were playing football, 142 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 4: but you probably use that in your day to day 143 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 4: life now or what you're doing as a broadcaster. It 144 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 4: seems like how you kind of kept it going. 145 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think it's a It was a privilege 146 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: to play, even if your career like my I wouldn't 147 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: say my NFL career was a great career. I mean, 148 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 1: it didn't go Everything didn't go the way I hoped 149 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: or planned or dreamed about, but it was still a privilege. 150 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: You know. It was a privilege for me to play 151 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: seven years when the average career length is about half that. Right. 152 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: It was a privilege to be a part of that 153 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: quarterback draft class in nineteen eighty three, you know, and 154 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 1: three of those guys are now in the Pro Football 155 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. 156 00:06:58,120 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 5: But I was part of that. 157 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: To work at a network level, you know, for as 158 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: long as I have now calling games, I would have 159 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: never dreamed that I would be doing that. 160 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 5: But it's a privilege. 161 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: And I think part of the way that I remind 162 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: myself of that is I don't care what the game is. 163 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: I've done semi final national championship games, you know, college 164 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: football playoffs. I treat every game the same way, whether 165 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: it's that or whether it's a game on paper that 166 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: doesn't look like much. My preparations the same, My energy 167 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: is the same. I approach to the meetings and what 168 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: the time I put in and how much film I watch. 169 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: I treat it the same way because I think it's 170 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: a privilege to do it. 171 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 4: Do you ever, I mean how often? I don't even 172 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 4: know if you can get to see these guys, but 173 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 4: the legendary eighty three quarterback class? Yeah, all right, do 174 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 4: you guys ever like take pride when we see each 175 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 4: other's like, you. 176 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 5: Know we did that? 177 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, we were hit Like. 178 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 4: That's the one that everybody remind me to stay, weren't us? 179 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 4: You know, do you guys ever take pride or what 180 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 4: is that? 181 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: Well? Yeah, I mean you know there there was always 182 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: a little bit of a bond, you know. I mean 183 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: back from when we play played, most of us were 184 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: all in the AFC, so he kind of faced each 185 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: other and then I remember that probably the only time 186 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: that we were all together in one place. And I've 187 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: run into each one of them in different places, but 188 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: the only time we were all together. Is the Dolphins 189 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: had a retirement thing for Marino at the stadium, and 190 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,119 Speaker 1: they brought all of us down there, all six of us, 191 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: and we played golf the day before, had a really 192 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: nice dinner at one of Dan's places, and and that 193 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: was really fun. But and I think that was the 194 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: first and only time that that all of us were 195 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: together for some kind of an event like that. 196 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 4: It was crazy. He was the last one too, you know, right, Yeah, 197 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 4: And that was a fourteen No, it was twenty seven. 198 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 4: But I mean that class not even just quarterbacks. 199 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 5: Everybody, Yeah, a lot, oh yeah, how many? 200 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 3: How many? 201 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 2: Off the top of your head, do you know? 202 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 4: Uh? 203 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 2: And maybe our production crew can figure us out how 204 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 2: many Hall of Famers were in that draft class. 205 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 5: Oh man, I don't even know. I don't even know. Okay, 206 00:08:58,520 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 5: I don't know. I just I just know. 207 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: Just my my roommate and best friend at the time, 208 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: Kurt Warner was running back and he went forth in 209 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: that draft to the Seahawks and you know, ended up 210 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: being a Pro Bowl player up there, so great. 211 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 5: Billy ray Smith went to the Chargers, I remember that, 212 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 5: and Dickerson. I mean, it was unbelievable. Yeah, it was 213 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 5: a bunch. 214 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 2: So I think one of the for me, one of 215 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 2: my one of the highlights of my career was like 216 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: when I knew I made it rookie year in the 217 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 2: end zone Randy Moss. I ended up getting to. 218 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 5: Pick you made it. 219 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 2: Picked as a rookie. This is when Moss was in 220 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 2: his prime. Snatched the ball. It's a home game. I'm 221 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 2: you know, Charles the nobody Tillman. No one knew who 222 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 2: I was. I'm from Louisiana, who and I made this 223 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 2: amazing play, right, One of the highlights of my career. 224 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 2: My question to you is, what was one of the 225 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 2: highlights of your career when you were with the Chiefs. 226 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, so when I was with the Chiefs, you know, 227 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: first of all, let me take one step back. Yeah, 228 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: I mean the highlight of my career, probably the biggest 229 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: highlight was my senior at Penn State. 230 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 5: When we won the National you know, so that that. 231 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 1: Was the primary thing when I went to the Chiefs, 232 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:16,719 Speaker 1: I would say, Uh, the coolest memory for me it 233 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: was my second year and we were playing opening Day 234 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh and my dad was the offensive line coach 235 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: for the Steelers, and so I ended up being the starter. 236 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 1: The guy who was the starter, Bill Kenney, hurt his 237 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: thumb the last preseason game, so I became the starter 238 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: for Week one in Pittsburgh. So tons of friends and 239 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: family there, you know, my dad's coaching on the other side, 240 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: and we were able to win the game, and I 241 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: threw a touchdown to steppon Page. I actually ran a 242 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 1: touchdown on a naked bootleg, and so it was you know, 243 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: it was it was really a great experience for me 244 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: and and just you know, I felt like I was 245 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: ready for the moment. You know, it was my first 246 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: start in the NFL. Uh, it was against a really 247 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: good team in a hostile environment, and we came out 248 00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: on top. 249 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 2: So I want to ask another question about so you 250 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 2: said that was probably your your your senior year at 251 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 2: Penn State was probably like really the highlight, you know, 252 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 2: winning the national championship. So having played in one one 253 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 2: one and then calling some some championship games, how much 254 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 2: has it changed just from the media attention from when 255 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 2: you played till now and you know, twenty twenty four 256 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,839 Speaker 2: with social media and you know, four K television and 257 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 2: and everything. 258 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 4: I was like, also the rankings is completely different as well. 259 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: How much does that change, Like it's changed dramatically. I mean, 260 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: just like you know, just like the Super Bowl has 261 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: gotten bigger and bigger and bigger, right, and more commercial 262 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: and more hype and more attention. So it's college football 263 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: and the College Football Playoff, you know, and now it's 264 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: expanding the twelve teams this year, so it's it's going 265 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: to be even more hyped up, you know. 266 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 5: But it's great. I mean, I think it's great for 267 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 5: the game. You know. 268 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: It just shows you how much of an appetite people, 269 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: particularly in this country have for the game of football 270 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: or pro football and for college football. But yeah, just 271 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: the you know, the the magnitude of the game and 272 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: the attention on it, the media, the social media, all 273 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: of that is so much different than it used to be. 274 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean, you know, when we played, for one, 275 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: everybody was still tied to bowl games, you know, And 276 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: it just played out that we went to the Sugar 277 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: Bowl as an independent. 278 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 5: Penn State was not in the Big Ten. We were 279 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 5: an independent and. 280 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: We were ranked number two and we got to play 281 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: Georgia who was ranked number one, who went undefeated and 282 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: they were committed to the Sugar Bowl and so it 283 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: ended up being a two versus one game for a 284 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 1: national championship. 285 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 2: So do you have any social media? 286 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 5: Do you tweet you a little bit? 287 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: Yeah? 288 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, all right. 289 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 1: I was just checking to just to make sure little Twitter, 290 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: a little Instagram. 291 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 2: I didn't say the man is smart. 292 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 3: He can't. I'm gonna let you know. 293 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 2: I'm gonna sell you how smart he was. So this 294 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 2: is something that I didn't even know this existed. Yeah, 295 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 2: that one the academic Yeah here it is right here 296 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 2: is the Academic All American Hall of Fame. So you 297 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 2: got inducted, inducted into this in nineteen ninety seven when 298 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 2: nobody knew this. 299 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:16,599 Speaker 3: You graduated. 300 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:21,839 Speaker 4: You're our first guest home that's ever been so inducted into. 301 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 3: An academic. 302 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 2: Graduated Phi Kappa beta with a three point eight gpa. 303 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 5: And what was your major speech? Communication? 304 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 2: Speech communication? I didn't even know that existed. Did you 305 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 2: know existed? When they called you? Like, how did that 306 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 2: even come up? 307 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 5: Yeah? 308 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 3: Well I call this like, hey, you're so smart. You're 309 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 3: in the Hall of Fame. You're going in Like what 310 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 3: how I mean? 311 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 5: I forget how I first found out. Probably our sports 312 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 5: information people got in touch with me, you know, or 313 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 5: former ones, And I. 314 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: Tell you what I I quickly did not feel like 315 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: I belonged when I got there, and the people that 316 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: was surround these other athletes were going in were like 317 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: brain surgeons and yeah, I mean incredible people. So it 318 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: was quite an honor to be a part of that 319 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: as well. 320 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 4: We'll be back in a minute. How long time did 321 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 4: it take you post career you hang up the cleats? 322 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 4: You know, we all got our journey. I took a 323 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 4: whole year. I did absolutely nothing to really kind of decompress. 324 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 4: See I want Peanut went too a different one. He 325 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 4: went jumped into doing some broadcasting and some other things 326 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 4: in the avenues. How about you? How long did it 327 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 4: take you to hang up the cleats, like figure out 328 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 4: what you want to do and then say, you know what, broadcasting, 329 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 4: whatever that media space is, that's what I want to do, 330 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 4: especially when back it wasn't as popular as it is 331 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 4: in today's turn. 332 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 5: Weren't as many opportunities. 333 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: Yes, too, right, So my last year playing was eighty 334 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: nine with the Steelers, and I wasn't sure if I 335 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: was done yet or not. I was still working out 336 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: and training and deciding whether I was going to go 337 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: to a camp or not. And at that time I 338 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: was living in Pittsburgh and my dad had gone through 339 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: a cancer surgery. He was coaching of the Steelers, and 340 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: he had to go through, you know, a cancer surgery, 341 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: and so it was kind of convenient that I could 342 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: be there to kind of help my mom and help 343 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: take care of my dad. And while I was in Pittsburgh, 344 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: I got offered to do a job in TV. It 345 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: was the Penn State Highlight Show, and they filmed it 346 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh. And the guy was talking about earlier, Guido Delia. 347 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: He owned a production company and his company did this 348 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: show and so we would film it on Saturday. I said, sure, 349 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: I'll do it. So we would film it on Saturdays, 350 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: and you know, they would bring the tapes in and 351 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: we would cut highlights and and so basically Guido taught 352 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: me about doing on camera. He taught me how to 353 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: do voiceovers, He taught me how to write copy, he 354 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: taught me how to you know, do all this kind 355 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: of stuff. 356 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 5: And then that same year I got. 357 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: A chance to do two games. So for whatever reason, 358 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: the opening game that year, Penn State was hosting Texas, 359 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: and no, no network picked it up. I have no 360 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: idea and so so the State Football Network produced it 361 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: and Guido was my very first producer and I did 362 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: that game and then I had another game midway through 363 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: the year when Penn State had a bye week and 364 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: it was another game IOWA at Miami that did not 365 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: get picked up. 366 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 4: So did you actually get to go to in these places, 367 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 4: because you know, coming out of college, like we don't 368 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 4: actually get to go to tailgate. We don't even know 369 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 4: what that experience of a game was like. Yeah, so 370 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 4: did you get to experience this at all? Like how 371 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 4: you do? 372 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: Not? So when I did that Penn State Texas game, 373 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: that was the first time that I had been like 374 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: outside the stadium, I had experience in field at all. 375 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: But anyway, I did that Io win Miami game also, 376 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: and at the end of that year, I decided I 377 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: definitely would rather do games than studio, even. 378 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 5: Though I liked it. 379 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: And so Guido helped me put a resume tape together 380 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: and we sent it around and I got two job offers. 381 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: I got an offer from ESPN and they but they 382 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: only offered me six games. And I got offered from 383 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: the Big East Telvision Network and they offered me eleven 384 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: and so I decided, you know, look, I need as 385 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: many games as I can get, and I was gonna 386 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 1: get a thousand dollars a game, So I knew it 387 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 1: wasn't going to be enough to call a career. But 388 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: I took the Big East job and did it for 389 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: three years. And even even in those first couple of years, 390 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 1: I still wasn't sure if I was done. 391 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 5: Or not or ready to hang it up. 392 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 1: But when I got into doing it, I really liked it, 393 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: and I said, Okay, I'm ready. I'm ready to transition 394 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: and try to make this a career. But it took 395 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: three years to get an opportunity at a network where 396 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: I could say, okay, yeah, I can do this. 397 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 5: Yeah. 398 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 2: So I think I did the broadcasting. I never went 399 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 2: to the boot camp. You went to the NFL's broadcast 400 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 2: boot camp and tremendous. I just was kind of winging 401 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 2: it when I when I tried the whole broadcasting thing, 402 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 2: and I don't think I did myself any justice because 403 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 2: I didn't have a GWEDO to kind of help me 404 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 2: out or give me guidance or just pushed me along 405 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 2: and give me some instruction. My question is you started 406 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 2: out in radio first, right. 407 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,439 Speaker 1: Well kind of at the same time. It was probably 408 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 1: simultaneous that I did. 409 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 3: Okay, so why did Why did why? 410 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 2: The broadcasting TV color commentary kind of broadcasting route versus radio. 411 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 4: Yeah. 412 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: So it's funny because and I didn't know this at 413 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: the time, but my senior year, after we won the 414 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: national championship and I was graduating in the spring, and 415 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: so I had a real light schedule. I had like 416 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: a couple you know. 417 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 4: Independence back at Penn State has a schedule. 418 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I had a schedule. Yeah, yeah. 419 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 1: So but I did an independent study and one of 420 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: the things I did, I was on kind of the 421 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: little banquet circuit and was in New York a couple 422 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: of times, and I went and said sit down meetings 423 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 1: with somebody from ABC, NBC and CBS, and I wrote 424 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: my paper on what these network executives are looking for 425 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 1: in a color analyst. And at that time, I was 426 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: kind of thing, that's what I thought I might want 427 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: to do if I didn't play, or if I didn't coach. 428 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: And so I kind of wrote that, you know, and 429 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: tucked it away when it was done and didn't really 430 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: do anything with it until my career was over. But 431 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: it was always in the back of my head that 432 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: you know, I thought I would like that out You 433 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: guys probably do the same thing. 434 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 5: Man. 435 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: I remember when I was a kid, you know, just 436 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: playing out in the street, you know, and or playing 437 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: in the backyard and imitating myself, you know, I mean 438 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: just kind of call and play by play about what 439 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: I'm doing, you know, And so it kind of was 440 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: always a little bit of a natural thing that I 441 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: thought I'd like to do. 442 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 4: So is there anything else that that Todd black Is 443 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 4: wants to accomplish in his career? You've accomplished so much. 444 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 4: You're areadyre on the board of uh of a couple 445 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 4: of different honors, You're on different boards, You're on you know, 446 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 4: your academic All American Hall of Famer. Like, you've accomplished 447 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 4: so many things. Is there anything else that you're looking 448 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 4: forward to trying to accomplish, you know, put on your bill. 449 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: You know, nothing that I could pinpoint right now and say, 450 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: you know, I definitely am aiming or you know, driving. 451 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 5: To do this. I just want to keep doing this 452 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 5: for as long as I can keep calling games. 453 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: You know. The change to NBC after seventeen years at 454 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: ESPN has been really kind of refreshing and uplifting. I mean, 455 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: you know, I'm sixty three years old. My partner, Noah Egle, 456 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: is twenty six so, and he's super talented and he's 457 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: going to be a superstar in this business. He's over 458 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: in Paris right now calling the basketball stuff, so I mean, 459 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 1: he's on the fast track. 460 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 5: But it's it's been super it's come you know. 461 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fun for me, you know, to kind of 462 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: be there and be the voice of experience and and 463 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: the credibility and the relationship I have with coaches. 464 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 5: So it's been it's been really really fun. 465 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 4: What do you think about also switching conferences? Yeah, like 466 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 4: that's got to give you a little juice cause you 467 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 4: probably go to different campuses that you probably haven't been 468 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 4: to since you played as well. 469 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I so I've been doing it so long 470 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: that I've been to almost all these places. Anyway, when 471 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: I was with ESPN, because I was kind of doing 472 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: every conference right back then, so and then when a CBS, 473 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,479 Speaker 1: I did the SEC only, you know, and now this 474 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: is the Big Ten only. But the Big Ten teams 475 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: are not unfamiliar to me. But you know, college football 476 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: has changed more in the last two or three years 477 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: than it did in the twenty seven thirty years before 478 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: that I've been involved in it, right, and so this 479 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: year every conference is different. There is no more PAC twelve. 480 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: The Big Ten has eighteen teams and you and it's 481 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: coast to coast from Oregon to Rutgers, New Jersey. You know, 482 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: you know, the SEC has got sixteen teams, The Big 483 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 1: twelve is added teams, the ACC has added teams from California. 484 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 5: It's it's going to look completely different. 485 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: And you've got a twelve team playoff and they're going 486 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: to start doing a revenue sharing thing along with the 487 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: nil stuff that's happening in college football. So it's sweeping 488 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: changes in college football, and I'm just kind of hanging 489 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: on by the coattails, right. 490 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I think if I had to 491 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 2: call a game football right now, I could probably get 492 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 2: by and be Okay, you've been doing this ten twenty thirty, 493 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 2: Well you said thirty, yes, thirty four, thirty four years. 494 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 5: Yeah. 495 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 2: Is there a game or another sport that you think 496 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 2: you would want to switch over to versus just doing football? 497 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 5: Yeah? 498 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: Not in place of you know, I mean, I don't 499 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: know that I would ever want to switch to a 500 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: different sport and leave football. You know, I love basketball. 501 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: I mean when I was growing up, one of the 502 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: stops along my dad's coaching journey was he was an 503 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: assistant coach at University Kentucky when I was in middle school. 504 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: Ye and I fell in love with Kentucky basketball, you know, 505 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: And so my dream would have been to go to 506 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: Kentucky and play basketball. Well, I wasn't quite big enough, 507 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: you know, or skilled enough to play at that level. 508 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: But I did coach basketball, you know. I was a 509 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: high school basketball coach for twelve years in Ohio, which 510 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: is one of the things I did in the off 511 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: season just to kind of scratch the coaching itch that 512 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: I had. And I thought about coaching, you know, there 513 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,479 Speaker 1: were several times I thought about jumping into college football coaching, 514 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: but I just the broadcasting was just so good, and 515 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: the lifestyle was so good, and with young kids, it 516 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: was just, you know, coaching is a grind, man, that's 517 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: a hard way to go, and I knew it. 518 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 4: This is a perfect segue to my question, which is, 519 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 4: what do you tell guys that want you maybe get 520 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 4: into more broadcasting with they're calling games, what kind of 521 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 4: advice could you give them to maybe how they get 522 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 4: into it. And then also once you get there, how 523 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 4: do you separate yourself or maintain your sense of greatness 524 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 4: or things that nature, Because I'd like to stay on 525 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 4: that track versus like going to the coaching because exactly 526 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 4: what you just said. 527 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, So first of all, I would tell people. And 528 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: here's one thing I did this past year when I 529 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: went to NBC. I went to the people at NBC. 530 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: I said, look, I got some time I get on 531 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 1: site on Thursday on Friday, if it fits with our 532 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: meeting schedule, if you set up something with any of 533 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: the communications school or broadcasting schools, you know on campus, 534 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: I'd love to sit down and just do a Q 535 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: and A. 536 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 4: And just Rhyme does that with us. Yes, he talks 537 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 4: to the kids on campus. 538 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: So I did that almost every week. And then Noah 539 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: joined me about halfway through. And that was great because 540 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: I mean, he he'd fit right in. He's just like 541 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 1: he just graduated, you know. But what I tell people 542 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: all the time is, you know, first of all, anything 543 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: you can do, any experience you can get, take it. 544 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: You know, if you're on college campus, if you can 545 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 1: do women's volleyball. If you can go do a high 546 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: school basketball game, anything you can do, do it. Try 547 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 1: to get it on tape, you know, and then try 548 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: to find somebody that's in the business that you respect, 549 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: that can give you some feedback, you know. And then 550 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 1: if it's a former player or something that is getting 551 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: and gets an opportunity. 552 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 5: I tell everybody this. 553 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 1: Look, the first game I did, I got the best 554 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 1: advice I could ever get from a producer who had 555 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: produced Super Bowls, and he sat down with me and 556 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: he said, look, if you don't remember anything else, the 557 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: guy sitting next to you, his job, the play by 558 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: play guy, is to tell people what happened, who made 559 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: the tackle, who carried the ball, what the down and distances? 560 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 5: He said, That's not your job. 561 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: Your job is not to repeat what he said or 562 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: to say something that everybody can see. Your job is 563 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 1: to try to answer the question why, okay, why did 564 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: this play work? Why didn't it work? Why is the 565 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,479 Speaker 1: game going this way? Why is the momentum shifting? So 566 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: my whole career I've tried to do two things. Answer 567 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: the question why, which you can't do every play, but 568 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: I do it as often as I can, and say 569 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: it in a way that my wife would understand it, 570 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: because you're not just speaking to a bunch of former 571 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,719 Speaker 1: players and coaches, right, it's a vast audience. So you 572 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: can still explain the game and give insight, but you 573 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: got to do it in a way that everybody could 574 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 1: understand it. And so, you know, that's really the way 575 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: I approach it. And then the other thing I would 576 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: tell everybody is you've got to be yourself. You know, 577 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 1: you've got to allow your personality to come through. You 578 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: can't try to sound like a broadcaster, you know, or 579 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: try to be somebody you're not. So do your homework, 580 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 1: be prepared, but then. 581 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 5: Be relaxed enough to allow your personality to come through. 582 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 2: We're going to take a short break and we'll be 583 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 2: back in a minute. Tom Brady is stepping into the 584 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 2: broadcasting seat this year for the first time. I would 585 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 2: assume he's kind of cold Turkey no preseason games. 586 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, but he's been I think they had him underneath 587 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 4: the shadows grinding the last year. Yeah. Yeah, but go ahead, 588 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 4: how do you think he will do? 589 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: So it's funny I got kind of two parts of 590 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: that answer. So, first of all, I think he's probably 591 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 1: going to do really well. Yeah, you know, he's very 592 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 1: well spoken. He obviously knows the game. You know, he 593 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: sees he sees everything right, and I think he's a 594 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: good communicator. So I think he'll do well. I think 595 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: you're right. I think they have done some stuff with him. 596 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: I think he'll do some stuff before he does his 597 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: first major game to where he's comfortable in the booth. 598 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: So I think he'll do really well. The crazy thing 599 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: to me is, you know, I've gotten to be very 600 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: good friends with Greg Olsen. Now we're actually coaching together, 601 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 1: and uh. 602 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 4: Oh, you're part of the dynamic game. 603 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 5: I'm part of that staff. 604 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 3: So yeah, that dynamic Greg. 605 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: His dad who went nine state championships, Keithley, Me and 606 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,360 Speaker 1: Jonathan Stewart, we're all there. 607 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the name of the team. 608 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 4: Charlotte Christians is the most dynamic coaching staff in history. 609 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 2: Even know I even know about the nineteen eighty three 610 00:27:59,320 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 2: draft class. 611 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 5: Probably not. They probably know a little bit about the 612 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 5: guys that just stopped playing. 613 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 3: That's anyway. 614 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, you know, he's we've got 615 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: to be friends, and he's phenomenal at what he does. 616 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he just won an Emmy as 617 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: the Best analyst last year, and he's getting bumped down 618 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: to the number two team, which is but I think 619 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 1: he kind of knew it was coming, you know when 620 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: they hired Tom and Tom sat out last year. Uh, 621 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 1: and Greg will be fine, but he's terrific at what 622 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: he does. 623 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 2: I gotta go ahead, No, no, no, you fine? 624 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 4: Are you trying to copy to me? Right now? All right, 625 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 4: we're gonna get into some fun questions too. Our wins 626 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 4: a quarterback stats are wins? 627 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 3: Uh? 628 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so. 629 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: I mean, look, they keep scoring, right, so the ultimately 630 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: winning games is you know, I think the bottom line 631 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: number that matters the most, you know, I mean I 632 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: don't obviously stats people do a lot of stuff with stats, 633 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: but at. 634 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 5: The end of the day, it's do you win? Do 635 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 5: you get your team in the end zone? Do you win? 636 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 4: Shout out to my boy Greg McElroy because that's that's 637 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 4: his his ultimate stat. 638 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Uh Mount Rushmore? Who is on your personal 639 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 2: Mount Rushmore of influence? You get four? You've had a 640 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 2: tremendous career. 641 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,239 Speaker 4: I wanted to ask. I wanted to ask that other 642 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 4: one before go ahead. 643 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 3: Sorry, Well, since you say it like that. 644 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 4: Why I want to I want to know your best 645 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 4: cities in places to eat on the road because like 646 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 4: I go, I want to know because I need to. 647 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 4: I need to heat. I need those your communications. I'm 648 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 4: sorry about that you, that was I needed. I apologize you. 649 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 3: Does your partner do that to you? 650 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 4: I needed asked the question that I apologize, I needed it. 651 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 3: But why you Just I'll. 652 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: Get you a list. It's too hard for me to 653 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: come up with right now. Man, there's too many, so 654 00:29:59,040 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: many great ones. 655 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 3: All right, good, yeah, I quit, all right, I'll walk 656 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 3: off the set. 657 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 4: I will come back. 658 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 2: Just you got thirty you got Look, you got thirty 659 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 2: four years of just broadcasting, legendary, eighty three draft class, 660 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 2: great high school career, great college career, NFL career. 661 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 3: You've had help. 662 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 5: Along the way? Oh yeah, right. 663 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 2: If you could pick four people that have helped you 664 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 2: along the way and just get you to where you 665 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 2: are today in life, who would those four people be? 666 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: Well? Uh, so I would say my dad is one 667 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: definitely been a strong influence. Joe paterno Is another one 668 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: was a very strong influence in my life. Uh for 669 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: the time I was at Penn State. The guy mentioned 670 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,719 Speaker 1: Guido Delia, you know, as far as my broadcasting career 671 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: and my development as a as an analyst, he's definitely one. 672 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 5: And then. 673 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna give you, you know, one of those 674 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: kind of political answers on the fourth one. I mean, 675 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: it's it's hard for me to pick one, but I 676 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: have worked with so many great partners that have shaped me. 677 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: I mean I worked with Vern Lundquist, I worked with 678 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: Brad Nessler. I worked with Sean McDonough, I worked with 679 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: Mike Patrick, I worked with Mike Tirico. I mean, those 680 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: five guys are as good as anybody that's ever done 681 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: it right, and I had the privilege of working with them, 682 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: and each one of them helped me to get better 683 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: and to elevate what I do. So I would put 684 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: some combination of those five guys on that last face. 685 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 2: So it's a non people. 686 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,479 Speaker 4: I love that. I mean, you're right, your successor or 687 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 4: the people that are around you that all helped so much. 688 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 4: And I would thank you, Todd. I told pena excite 689 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 4: I was to to get up here to you, and. 690 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, like once I gotten a huge compliment to you, sir, 691 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 2: once I did more. 692 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 4: I just had no idea and I apologize for that, 693 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 4: but I love you for that because you you let 694 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 4: me know that I had no idea. Yeah, and that's 695 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 4: by the way that you portrayed yourself and carried yourself 696 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 4: and how interested you were in what I was trying 697 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 4: to do and the questions that I have for you 698 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 4: at the time. So thank you for that. And also 699 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 4: another quote, great quote that came from you from your 700 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 4: guy Joe Paterna, who's on your Mount Rushmore, and everybody 701 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 4: should listen to this because this is great. Success is 702 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 4: never final and failure is never fatal. So it's never 703 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 4: over until you give up on yourself. So thank you 704 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 4: for that. Man. A lot of people need that. We 705 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 4: appreciate that, and I got that from you, So thank. 706 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 5: You, thank you. Thanks for having me. Guys, appreciate one. 707 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 2: Thanks for blessing us, really blessing this man, because I 708 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 2: feel like when you gave the advice, he was really talking. 709 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 4: To him that I needed it. Also needed them cities 710 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 4: and with the food. But it's all good. We'll get 711 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 4: that later. 712 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 2: We will get that later. Appreciate you. I'm peanut, that's wrong. 713 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 2: This is the NFL Player Saganax podcast. Check us out 714 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 2: on our NFL YouTube channel, Share, Like, subscribe, follow, leave 715 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 2: a comment, tell a friend, and tell her friend to 716 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 2: tell her friends. 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