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Speaker 1: grew up on an everybody Welcome to the episode A

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Speaker 1: hundred and thirties six films. You ever think we'd make

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Speaker 1: it this far film? Uh No, you thought they? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I still I don't think we should. You should have

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Speaker 1: made it this fire, I said. We I'm gonna say you,

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Speaker 1: it's always like it's your show, your fans, your listeners, yes,

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Speaker 1: your funk ups. Hey, listen, people are gonna find out

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Speaker 1: a minute what we're up to today. But I just

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Speaker 1: went to the liquor store. It was like nine in

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Speaker 1: the guy ided me. He took out my I D

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Speaker 1: this is a new You've done that to study the eyes?

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Speaker 1: liquor stores. It's tough. It's gotta be tough. Probably a

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Speaker 1: lot of underage rascals getting away with a lot right now.

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Speaker 1: They're looking in your eyes. The guy said, Oh, I

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Speaker 1: thought you were in your twenties, thanks man. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: you why I got that alcohol coming up real quick.

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Speaker 1: we doing right now? What does don't even worry about?

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that in a minute. We got a

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Speaker 1: lot of get we got a lot to get to. Um.

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Speaker 1: Last week I was hungover. This week we're gonna be drinking.

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Speaker 1: So maybe I have a problem. Yeah, I didn't. You

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Speaker 1: get very ups didn't someone email you a concerned listener

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Speaker 1: several months during quarantine? Yeah, during quarantine, a certain listener

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Speaker 1: email and to say that I was drinking a lot

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Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I didn't. I responded and just

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Speaker 1: said could be like, I like, how you have You

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Speaker 1: have no problem responding to stuff like that aggressively. But

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Speaker 1: that guy, you were like, maybe there's anything's possible anything.

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Speaker 1: There's no way for me, no way for me. The well,

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Speaker 1: today we have Pete Munich from he's the founder, really

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Speaker 1: the guy behind the Rocky Mountain go to Alliance. Him

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Speaker 1: and I hiked up a four and a half mile trail,

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Speaker 1: gained two thousand feet and ended up at nine thousand

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Speaker 1: Have you ever been there? In phil Sack? Do we

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Speaker 1: say is the highest highest point there? Yea. So Pete

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Speaker 1: think I should probably start, you know, hiking a little

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Speaker 1: bit more Elk seasons coming up. You don't know anything

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Speaker 1: like you will in the years to come. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: about mountain goats. Phil, Have you ever seen You've ever

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Pete. And that's coming up real soon. But

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Speaker 1: started to get down from his stand. I was in disbelief.

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Speaker 1: I knew I was a heavy sleeper, but to sleep

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Speaker 1: through a gunshot breaking the peacefulness of the woods. I thought,

426
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Speaker 1: there's no chance, and he must be messing with me.

427
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 1: But sure enough they're in the clearing. Was one big

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Speaker 1: dough shot right through the heart. Needless to say, to

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Speaker 1: this day, every time I returned from the woods empty

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Speaker 1: hand and my dad asked, how is your nap? And

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Speaker 1: the story is retold several times a year at any

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Speaker 1: hunting related gathering. I hope the stories makes you chuckle.

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Speaker 1: I love you, Phil, I love you so much. I

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Speaker 1: just put that at the end, respectfully, Dave Daniel Wait,

435
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Speaker 1: what so all these people writing in aren't actually saying

436
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Speaker 1: hi to me? That's just you, that's just me. I

437
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:44,959
Speaker 1: just I'm trying to build you up. I don't want

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Speaker 1: you to go to Ronella's show permanently, Respectfully, Dave Daniels,

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Speaker 1: playing the Jingo Phil shot not so sharp moment, so

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Speaker 1: you don't have that's it. Thanks to work Sharp. Go

441
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Speaker 1: to the work sharp YouTube page and see the work

442
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: sharp workshop every week over there, And Dave, you're gonna

443
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Speaker 1: get yourself a worksharp field sharpener for your trouble and

444
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: you're napping in the woods. See I like that one.

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Speaker 1: That was a very uh it was a very passive,

446
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: not so share moment that he didn't do anything. He

447
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: didn't go out of his way to do something stupid.

448
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: He just took a nap, just took a missed out

449
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Speaker 1: on a great opportunity. Yeah, I missed that on those

450
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Speaker 1: yellow warblers that we're probably flying around tweeting away. Well, Dave, thanks,

451
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Speaker 1: And I will tell you that I'm a heavy sleeper.

452
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: I nap all the time, especially in the tree stand,

453
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Speaker 1: especially while turkey hunting. Um not so much while elk

454
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Speaker 1: cunning and other things. But the midday. You'll you'll realize

455
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Speaker 1: this feel when you get to actually go hunting one

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Speaker 1: day the hunting nap and the sun is just beaten

457
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Speaker 1: down and you find some shade, you lean up against

458
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Speaker 1: a tree. What would normally be uncomfortable is suddenly extremely comfortable,

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Speaker 1: and it leads to some of the best sleep you've

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Speaker 1: ever had. Whether it's fifteen minutes or thirty. So that's

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Speaker 1: how that goes. Um, all right, well, and take another

462
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Speaker 1: sip of my unnamed cocktail right in to go ahead, Phil,

463
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Speaker 1: take a sip. I think that's got already. He'll just

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Speaker 1: cross this if you see. If you hear any mistakes

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Speaker 1: and this week's edit of The Hunting Collective, it's because

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Speaker 1: Phil was drunk and hydrated. That's right, right, and that's

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Speaker 1: what you want to be. Those are two things that

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Speaker 1: you want to be in life. Is drunk and hydrated

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Speaker 1: at least, I say, and listen to me. So turning

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Speaker 1: from that silliness onto something a little bit more serious,

471
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: mountain goats. Mountain goat conservation and management in many places

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Speaker 1: across the country. It's probably, like I said earlier, it's

473
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Speaker 1: probably something that you don't think about too much, but

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Speaker 1: it is important. It is absolutely something that we should

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Speaker 1: be thinking about because it has an analogous feeling about it.

476
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Speaker 1: When when you're talking about invasive species strangely and also

477
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Speaker 1: competition between two species, and so you're gonna hear about that.

478
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: Think about this as hard as you can through Pete

479
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 1: and I up there, what fet So when we're going

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Speaker 1: up the hill. We had a bunch of winds, so

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00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: you we we might. We're gonna kind of drop into

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Speaker 1: not mid conversation, but early in the conversation and Pete

483
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: is You're gonna learn a lot about Pete. But Pete

484
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: it works as a sales manager for Stone Glacier. He

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00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: lives here in Bozeman, and I think eight years ago

486
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: he founded Rocky Mountain Go to lines UM as a

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00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: mid twentiessothing individual. Not many people in their early twenties

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Speaker 1: mid twenties are starting conservation groups, not many at all.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I've never He's the only one I've ever met.

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00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: I wasn't starting any kype of organization when I was

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Speaker 1: that age UM, and so that's that's one of the

492
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Speaker 1: really interesting parts of his story. Also his fight against

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Speaker 1: UM goat calling in some of our national parks. UM.

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Speaker 1: There's been two particular interesting cases that we talked about.

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Speaker 1: One was an Olympic National Park, is ongoing an Olympic

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Speaker 1: National Park, and one was in t Towns down in Wyoming.

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Speaker 1: Both of those populations UM are looking to be extrapated,

498
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: are looking to be taken off those ranges. And as

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Speaker 1: a hunter, as you'll hear us talk about as a

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Speaker 1: hunter and a conservationist. Somebody cares about wildlife. That's tough

501
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: to see. It's tough to see somebody go up in

502
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,479
Speaker 1: a helicopter and gunned down any type of wildlife. So

503
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: this is why to me, this is a very important conversation.

504
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: We had a lot of fun while chatting. But again,

505
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: mountain goats have more meaning to me after hearing from

506
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Speaker 1: Pete than they did before. So enjoy halfway up a mountain,

507
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: Pete Munich, Rocky Mountain, go to Lone. Alright, Pete, we

508
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: were just talking about how you know, there's probably a

509
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Speaker 1: thousand hunting podcasts. No Buddies ever podcast is from from

510
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: right to spot or here, Probably not in this exact one. No,

511
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: I feel pretty special. We'll get a couple of hikers

512
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: coming up. So if they do, if they do come

513
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: past us, we may have a guest interview. You never

514
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: know who you gonna run into, you don't, You probably

515
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: end up knowing them. In a sound like this, yeah,

516
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: a place like this, talk about sacagew A Peak in

517
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: this little just so people get a real good idea.

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00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: I know we talked about a little bit, but get

519
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: a real good idea of exactly what we're looking at here. Yeah. Um.

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Speaker 1: Bridger Mountains are the kind of the North South mountain

521
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: Range just north of Bozeman, and zack Jawa is the

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00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: highest peak. UM. We circled around the east side of

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Speaker 1: the mountain range this morning and accessed the trailhead by

524
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Speaker 1: Fairy Lake. UM. If you live in Bozeman, you're probably

525
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: very familiar with it. Um. But they introduced the mountain

526
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: goats here in the early nineties, and they brought them

527
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: from the tobacco roots, and there's been a combination of

528
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: really good habitat, really good minerals, and good genetics and

529
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: what we have here on the bridges or some of

530
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: the largest mountain goats. Yeah, you're talking about if you

531
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Speaker 1: get up up north in Canada, they have the genetics

532
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: of the twelve inch eleven inch goats, big old, big

533
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: old stout guys. Um. But in the States, a nine

534
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: inch goat is is what you're looking after. Yeah, absolutely,

535
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Speaker 1: If I mean, if you've got a mountain goat tag

536
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Speaker 1: in your pocket, and any of the lower forty eight

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00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: states that have goats, that nine tenants goat is certainly

538
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Speaker 1: a trophy and it's raining and Windy. So if you

539
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: guys here wind it's just just deal with it, because

540
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: they're sitting on just deal with it. We're on the

541
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Speaker 1: eze of the cliff. We're doing all the work. You're

542
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: probably in your car, you're not doing anything. It's really

543
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: probably worth the ship and the driving rain on the

544
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: side of the cliff for you, and it's really for

545
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: you guys. Um, we have to talk about before we move.

546
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: I want to understand how a guy just like yourself

547
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: who works for a pack company just decided to start

548
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: a conservation organization, because I think every every conservation group

549
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: has is an interesting origin story, but r g m

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00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: A has a pretty pretty legit one. But before we

551
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: get to that, there, I've I'm trying to drum up

552
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: a conspiracy around Ronnella drawing this goat tag the rich

553
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: getting richer. So what's your official your official statement on

554
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: Ronella draw on the goat tag and Montana the coveted.

555
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: I'm excited about it because I hope I can get

556
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: to go hunt in with him. Yes, um, so you

557
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: know it's a it's a hunt for me too, but yeah,

558
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: you know it makes people scratch their head. Yeah, I

559
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of rooms to talk. I've had

560
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: a lot of luck myself and Draws as have I have.

561
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: I just I just feel like he sent out an

562
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Speaker 1: all company email when he got it, and in the

563
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: head I was just like Ronella draws goat tag and

564
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: I'm like person and maybe I may be making that up,

565
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: but he did send it all email out to to

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Speaker 1: our entire company announcing that he got let's go hero

567
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: lock layer of headline, local television personality and author. He will, yeah,

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00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: and we'll talk a lot about it. And I think

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00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: that it opens up what we're gonna talk about here.

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00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: And as we've already kind of touched on in the

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Speaker 1: in the Windy Basin, you know this, this goats themselves.

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00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: They're native in some places, non native in others, um

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Speaker 1: which which causes and you know, which ends up with

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00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: an interesting dichotomy about how we see them, how we

575
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: approach them. We kind of look at them um as

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00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: a species within these ecosystems. And that's to me why

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00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: it's one of the reasons why I want to chat

578
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: with you for a while, But also I think why

579
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: people should be more interested in them, because they do

580
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: represent kind of a nagging conflict Yeah, mountain goats have

581
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: been successfully captured and relocated all over in North America

582
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: UM and with a lot of success success stories behind

583
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: that kind of effort. Unfortunately, sometimes times that kind of

584
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: proactive wildlife management in the moving or introducing of a

585
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: mountain ungulate into a habitat where it didn't previously exist,

586
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: can create some conflict, whether it's with a native ungulate

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00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: that already calls that spot home, you know, be a

588
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: maybe a big horn sheep or alpine plant life that

589
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: perhaps takes a bit of a beating because of the

590
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: goats being there. But yeah, it is interesting when animals

591
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: get this uh the deaf kiss of of the being

592
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: called non native because they're easy to get rid of

593
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: when they get u labeled that way. Yeah, it's an

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00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: interesting interesting I'll call it a ploy. Indeed, when you

595
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: think about folks that are in favor of this um

596
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: idea of and we should get to the specifics of it,

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00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: this idea of calling coats and large numbers to eradicate

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00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: them from a range or any really ecosystem, you think

599
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: of that as I think if it is nefarious, but

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00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: that's probably disingenuous on a lot of levels, Like can

601
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: you break down what you think the like the approaches

602
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: that we we both kind of disagree with, but there's

603
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: got to be a legitimate approach here. Yeah. I don't think, uh,

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00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: the National Park Services are bad people. I don't think that.

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00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: I think they're actually they're really great people, and they're

606
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: they're smart and educated, and I think they have good intentions. Um.

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Speaker 1: But to them there, they have a job to preserve

608
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,959
Speaker 1: natural flora and fauna and that's what their agency does.

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00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: And to them, they're doing their job and they're trying

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Speaker 1: to preserve a landscape back to a previous time I

611
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 1: suppose before the mountain goat was there. So I don't

612
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,439
Speaker 1: think it's a an evil or malicious thing. I think

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00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: it's just different parties at the table with different objectives.

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Speaker 1: And that's how I have to stop myself at some

615
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: point because you because because when you and I'm sure

616
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: you do this too, when you when you think about

617
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: aerial gunning of any any animal for the for the

618
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 1: nonconsumptive purpose, you just don't think of that. It's a

619
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: well meaning initiative, but you can't you can't discount where

620
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: it's coming from. Yeah, sometimes you have to emotion from

621
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Speaker 1: from management and science. You see something up there that's

622
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: big rock, big rock, and we're hopefully we got a

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Speaker 1: hiker coming yea, hopefully. She looks like she hopefully she'll

624
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: be willing to join us. And she looks like she's

625
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: taking her very serious. She's rolling, she's getting makes me

626
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: feel bad. Um well, Rocky mount go to alliance? What

627
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: what brings a person like? How old were you when

628
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: you started this? Uh, twenty two? You couldn't have been

629
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: twenty two years old? So most when I was twenty two,

630
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: let me tell you about story. I wasn't starting any

631
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 1: conservation alliances. Well I wasn't. I wasn't making all good

632
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: decisions of that chapter of life either, but um yeah,

633
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: it was just kind of one of those things that

634
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: happened out of it just kind of fell into place. Um.

635
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: I don't really give myself too much credit because it

636
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: just just sometimes that's just how the cookie crumbles. And

637
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: I inquired looking into uh mountain goat conservation efforts and

638
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: what that looked like and kind of came up empty handed,

639
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: and then just very quickly teamed up with a local

640
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: biologist and started orchestrating some ground based volunteer efforts to

641
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: assist with their data collection, and uh, flash forward eight

642
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: years later and we've got the continents one and only

643
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: Mountain Goat Conservation Group. Yeah. I mean, you guys have

644
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: seven board members. I know you just hired a couple

645
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: of people. Yeah we did. You know, we brought on

646
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 1: a sponsorship and membership coordinator. Really just in a short

647
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: time poured a lot of gas on the fire. Yeah,

648
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: it's nice to be paying somebody for real. Oh man,

649
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: these guys are just crushing and it's just this workload

650
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: that has has needed some attention for a long time,

651
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: and these guys have dove right in and we've got

652
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: a lot of great momentum right now. Yeah, I mean,

653
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: how does it feel to be able to say that

654
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: after you just come up with an idea? You see,

655
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: you know, see an issue, You see a whole in

656
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 1: the conservation world, see a species that you know it's

657
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: not imperiled some places they're imperiled, but you know, just

658
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: needs some more attention, something you're passionate about. And then

659
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 1: down the road somebody's getting paid to support. Yeah, it's

660
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 1: it's pretty interesting kind of step back and think about

661
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: it that way. Um, I have a hard time delegating

662
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: and hand handing things off, especially when I'm like passionate

663
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: about it. Um. But the older I get them, the

664
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: more I learned to delegate, and uh that has been

665
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: a very productive thing for me. So uh yeah, I

666
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: like moving in that direction, and it seems like the

667
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: more people we get involved, the better it is for

668
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: for the goats and for the organised station. Yeah, do

669
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 1: you find what's you know? You guys are eight so

670
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: years in. What do you find to be the most

671
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,919
Speaker 1: challenging thing about you know? Because you have to Every

672
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: organization has like this, this un unspoken mandate to grow

673
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: or spoken mandate to often. Yeah, you gotta grow, but

674
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,439
Speaker 1: you also got to do the right thing. Yeah, I think,

675
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,959
Speaker 1: you know, we started our organization at a cool time

676
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: where there was a lot of digital platforms available to us.

677
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: So I think like starting the Elk Foundation back in

678
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 1: the sixties is for right, a lot more paperwork than

679
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: what we do online today, a lot more copy work.

680
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, just you know, if we are just a

681
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: group of volunteers until recently and finding those dedicated hours

682
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: to grow the organization into build membership, build corporate sponsors,

683
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: get more money in our conservation fund, that just requires

684
00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: dedicated people and dedicated hours that I don't always have personally. Well,

685
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: it's cool because I you guys do the the less

686
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: than one club there at the sheep show. You guys

687
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: are part of that. Now we kind of uh adopted

688
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: that concept and we've we've invented the Billy Goat Society,

689
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: which is the less than one club version for Mountain

690
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: Goat Hunters or r m g A members. So if

691
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: you've never told a mountain goat, you can be in

692
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: this drawing to when your first goat hunt. I could

693
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: tell the hiker is confused. She locked eyes on us,

694
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: and she was She stopped for a minute and she

695
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 1: was like, I'm still contemplated when I want to tell

696
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: her we're doing I think each other. We're trying to

697
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: like communicate with oat and aircrafters. Yea, I should take

698
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: my thing on. We're doing it's weather instrumentation. We're looking

699
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: for a down to chopper. Um. Yeah, I mean I

700
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: went into you guys booth at the wash sheep Show.

701
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 1: It had to be a couple of years ago. Um.

702
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: And I want to say that your brother, your brother

703
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: was for sure in there. Your brother's name is Adam

704
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: and your dad was in there. I think for sure,

705
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: Jim and Adam and it's rock me at that moment,

706
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: like this is, you know, as big as these organizations.

707
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: Yet I'm of course, you know, involved in some organizations

708
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: in the industry. It's like as big as they get.

709
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: It's cool as ship to walk into a booze and

710
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: have you running around crazy, then your dad and your

711
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: brother signing people up. Yeah, it's a family affair. Um.

712
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: My dad has been instrumental in our organization since the

713
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: very beginning, from helping uh get our you know, nonprofit

714
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: status to just he's been secretary treasurer of the organization

715
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 1: since the day one. That's awesome. Yeah, he's helped quite

716
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: a bit. Yeah, yeah, I feel is he get a

717
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: stick with it? I mean, what is I guess of

718
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: The better question is did he get you into all this? No? No,

719
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: he didn't. My dad does not hunt. It's not fish. No,

720
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: it's actually kind of interesting, uh super cool guy, badass

721
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: pilot and the Air Force and stuff, but it was

722
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: not super outdoorsy and I kind of got myself into

723
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: it and I was in high school. Yeah, good morning, Hi,

724
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: how are you? It's is it weird to see people

725
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: with headphones on up here. We're conducting a survey. We're

726
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 1: curious if you enjoy hiking up or down? More down, down? Checking?

727
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: Pull us out. You headed to the m He's spending

728
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: the whole day up here. You got some you got

729
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: some miles ahead of you. Well, we won't stop you.

730
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: It would be a good day. We're just crazy enough

731
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 1: to record a podcast up here. Don't ask us why,

732
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: because nobody else would do it. It's kind of cold.

733
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: It's called The Hunting Collective. It's a podcast about while

734
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 1: we're looking for mountain goats. If you see any, I'm

735
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: sure you'll see several today. Yeah, let us know, let

736
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: us know how it goes. We'll have fun, have a

737
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: good one, enjoy your day. We'll have a lot of guts. Well,

738
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: haven't have a lot of guests. It looks like we've

739
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: at least three more guests in the show coming up.

740
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: I think we should get set up a chair like

741
00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: a ten questions, ten question a spy. Yeah, take a seat. Yeah,

742
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: that's it's it's uh tourist season. Although I don't I

743
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: don't think any tourists are going all the way to

744
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,479
Speaker 1: the m in a single day. Maybe. Oh this gal

745
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: here is doing something pretty bad as pretty bad as Yeah,

746
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: if everybody's familiar with the Bridger Ridge Run, she is

747
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: re enacting it all in her own right now. That

748
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: is how far is it over? She's gonna go to

749
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: Baldy and then drop down. Yeah. From here, she'll head

750
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: south past nine Nuki, going to Ross Pass, go through

751
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: Bridger Bowl, over Saddle to Baldy and down to the M.

752
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: It's a nice little Friday It's pretty hardcore Friday afternoon. Yeah,

753
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: that's the That's one of the cool things about living

754
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: in this town as a East Coast kid, like drawls

755
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: in hardcore folks in all shapes and sizes. People do

756
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 1: cool stuff here. Yeah. First time my kid, first time

757
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: my kid and I were at the M. You know,

758
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: he loves he loves to opine that he can make

759
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: it to the top, that I can make Like, buddy,

760
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: you're three. He's like, I'm not getting on your back.

761
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk. And proud man, he's a proud. He's proud.

762
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: He's proud Irish man. And the uh first time he

763
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: saw somebody gliding off the top, he uh that was

764
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: I think he's probably gonna want to do that to

765
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: my dismay. But the time or two up there, that's

766
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: pretty crazy. Yeah, it's a little bit. Anyway, you're back

767
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: to We got another guest coming. We'll take a break

768
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: when he gets here. But that's the one thing about

769
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 1: you and and knowing you in the industry and seeing

770
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: how you kind of moved through it that that I

771
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: think people would be that I am the most interested in,

772
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: you know, kind of the your reflections on those eight

773
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 1: years and and what it you know, what it means

774
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: to you to get this far and knowing that you've

775
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: got plenty plenty to travel. Yeah, is just quick to

776
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: look forward to, Mick. We have so much work to do.

777
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: There's so much to do. There's so much to do,

778
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: and I think it is probably appropriate at time to

779
00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: look back at some of the things. We have a

780
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: calm bushed and the organization that does exist today because

781
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: of everybody's hard work. And yeah, I'm proud of it.

782
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: It's my my little brain child. I guess I'm kind

783
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: of proud of so very much. Yeah, you very you

784
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: should be proud of it. And so you guys are,

785
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: where's the money getting spent? Right now? I know we

786
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 1: talked about collars, and there's there's there's relocation, there's translocation.

787
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things. You got it. Yeah, several

788
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: things like that going on right now. Uh. We're funding

789
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: quite a few of the callers being used in the

790
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: Olympic capture and relocation happening later this month. Um. And

791
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: then yeah, we've got some ongoing funding for some different

792
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: research from that that go biome, the stomach study of

793
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: what we've talked about, the the pellets to Uh. Yeah,

794
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: there's a handful of other projects. If you get on

795
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: the rmg IS conservation blog, there's a whole library of

796
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: different projects. We were working off time to time. But

797
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,439
Speaker 1: right now we're in the pits of volunteer season, which

798
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: is when we're traveling around and backpacking into the mountains

799
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: in different states and kind of doing what we do best,

800
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: and that's climbing mountains and finding goats. That's not a

801
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: bad thing to be good at, especially in this country. Um,

802
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: what are those volunteer to described to people? Those volunteer

803
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: things and I'm sure a lot of people I want

804
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: to get out on a weekend, get in shape, see

805
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 1: some country, see some cool critters are interested in that's

806
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 1: what's that look like when people jump in there. Yeah.

807
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 1: So they're typically two to three day backpacking trips where

808
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: we kind of divide and conquer and different mountain goat

809
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: management areas. So we'll get a group of call it

810
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: twenty to thirty people and we'll break up into search teams.

811
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: We'll scatter out into different areas and then kind of

812
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,439
Speaker 1: post up for the weekend and we just document every

813
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: goat sighting, uh with extreme detail, trying to conduct a census. Well,

814
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: what's there? Good morning? How's it going, Sara? Oh? I

815
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: think yeah, you kind of just wiggle, you'll make it.

816
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: Good luck. It's a little steep, it's worth it. Um,

817
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: yeah we should. We should definitely just put like a chair,

818
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: like a bean bag chair between two ferns, between two cliffs.

819
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: Take a seat. Uh, would you like a Seltzer water

820
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: or a white two cliffs? This guy's got it. I

821
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: thought for a minute this guy had a little kid.

822
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: But it's a dog, thank god. Uh you thought that

823
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: German short hair pointer was a human? Yeah, down there

824
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: at the bottom, not here, pretty clearly a dog. It's

825
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: a five yards away that that that wouldn't make me great? Hunter?

826
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: Is that a child. But I I did tell you

827
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: the story that a woman country like this the time

828
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: I was hallucinating Paul. It feels like a flex. It

829
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: feels like a like a really douchey flex to even

830
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: talk about it at this moment, but it's real. What's

831
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: really happened. I was telling you. I think that we

832
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: brought that up was a mere coming up this steep

833
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: switch back here that we decided to post up in

834
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: that I told you that you can get vertigo kind

835
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: of going up and down this stretch of trail, and

836
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: you're like, where ago you wanna talk about vertigo? I'm

837
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: telling you about telling you about vertigo? You know this

838
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: one time. That's the joking around the office I always

839
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: make I try to avoid that any of those fucking

840
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: flexes or just like you know at one time when

841
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: I was hacking in the interior of Alaska, you gotta

842
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: avoid that that stuff. But you want to tell your stories, Um, well,

843
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,959
Speaker 1: I mean we'll get going here and get up this peak.

844
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: I don't know. I highly doubt when we get up top.

845
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: That's why I wanted to stop here. Yeah, I'm glad

846
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: we got to meet some some intrepid individuals. But I

847
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: highly doubt when we get up top that there will

848
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: be much in the way of a podcasting going on,

849
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: although it's pretty quiet right here at the moment. We'll

850
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: go summit and then if we got to come back off,

851
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: we will. Yeah. Well, so if you may hear from

852
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: us at the summit, socker, do we a peak? You

853
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: may not. Don't just keep waiting. If you don't just

854
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: keep waiting, this podcast may never come out again. You

855
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 1: never know. Somebody finds this tape here a couple of

856
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: weeks from now, just in the rocks here from now,

857
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: somebody sliding down this shoot on their butt exactly like

858
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: is that? Is that a zoom recorder? You check out

859
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: what's on that? No ship, All right, let's get up there. Alright,

860
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: we're back between two cliffs, beating Ben. We really should

861
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: do a show like that. We are right back where

862
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: we started, right back as I promised you before we

863
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: left you last the peak of a little windy. We

864
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:51,479
Speaker 1: successfully summoned it, though, Yeah, we did summit. Nice people

865
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: from New York. Yeah, from New York. The whole family

866
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: of people going up there. We got a couple coming older,

867
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: couple coming up with there with her pup. It's a

868
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: you know, there's a balance, right, as you said, coming

869
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,280
Speaker 1: up here on like a Saturday in July tomorrow, it'day

870
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: Friday tomorrow be a lot of people. You want to

871
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: see that at some level, But at another level, would

872
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: you rather be in solitude? Yeah, Like I said, like

873
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: coming up here like weeknights and early mornings and stuff

874
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 1: when you can kind of have it all to yourself. Yeah,

875
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 1: we did see one. We saw one billy up there.

876
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: He was you know, he gave us a glimpse. He

877
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: was what would you say, twards thousand yards over a

878
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,439
Speaker 1: thousand yards over there he was. He was a poke

879
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: across there like a nice goat that was a big boy. Yeah.

880
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: And that's one thing we were talking about too that

881
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: we hadn't touched on that. You know, one of the

882
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: things that over the years with goats that hadn't been

883
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: as there are huntable populations and tags started to be

884
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: more prevalent around the West judging goats is I got

885
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: a lot of jokes about your nation technique. So that's

886
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: like I've been writing them down on my journal. Um,

887
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 1: but talk about you know, what you guys are doing

888
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: to get the word out about how to how to

889
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: sexa mountain goat? And then you know what it really

890
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: what the tactics are. Yeah, we can definitely go over that.

891
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: We'll say hide to our new friends here. We had

892
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: a beagle. Oh, a beagle all the way up here.

893
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: Looks like a rabbit dog. Yeah, I know a guy

894
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: that has a few of else. How's going? How are you?

895
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:24,399
Speaker 1: How are you? Hi? Pup? I know it's weird we're

896
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: podcasting up here? Is that weird? Do you prefer going

897
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: uphill or downhill? Yeah? We should. We should put side

898
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: hill in there. Yeah, that could be an option. That

899
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: would one. It's awful, It's awful. How's gone? What are

900
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: you guys from? Oh? Nice? Cool? Nice we had we've

901
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,399
Speaker 1: had New York, Colorado. We're getting good up here. Yeah,

902
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:56,720
Speaker 1: just down to Bozeman. Yeah, it's called the Hunting Collective.

903
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: That's the podcast. So you guys are unwitting Yes on

904
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 1: the show? Welcome to it? Welcome? Yeah, well thanks for

905
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: being on. I wish I had like a parting gift

906
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: or something to give you, like a sticker, but I

907
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: just forgot a good one. Yeah. You're talking about gender

908
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: identification mountain goats and why it's important and what we

909
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: look for there. But yeah, kind of the curse of

910
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: the mountain goat is that the boys and the girls

911
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: look very similar. Both have short, black horns, white bodies,

912
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: and have a lot more similarities than differences. Um, and

913
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: that can be a detrimental thing come hunting season if

914
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: nanny's are accidentally targeted and harvested and taken out of

915
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: the population. Maybe accidentally. So we do focus a lot

916
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: of our efforts and energy on the educating too, sportsman

917
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: of those key identifiers, on how to tell billy's from

918
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: nanny's and and not just that, but explain why it's important.

919
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: And um, yeah, we gotta what I believe to be

920
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: the greatest educational tool for the mountain goat hunter on

921
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: our website. It's a it's an eight minute video we

922
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: produced with Mr Stephen Ronella rating it. Mr Marks Cat,

923
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: I remember did that? Cat and Adam Fosse put that

924
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: together years ago. Now you're affiliated with Adam Fosse. Yeah,

925
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 1: Adams a very good friend of mine. Unfortunately on the

926
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: board of rm G A Sin's day one. Actually, like

927
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 1: most Canadians, complete asshole can barely be around them. Real jokester,

928
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: real jokester if you're listening to Adam, which you're probably not,

929
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: uh moved back to Bozemann. Candida is not. Can't think

930
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: we're going to be able to talk him into that one. No,

931
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: I've tried. I tried one time, didn't didn't work out. Yeah,

932
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: we made that that video, which, um, you know, that

933
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: topic had been discussed and kind of produced before, but

934
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: nothing in the last twenty five years. So it was

935
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: time to kind of repurpose and re author all of

936
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: that into a more digestible package. And now a lot

937
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: of managing agencies have adopted that video and courage and

938
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: even sometimes demand their tag holders to watch it. So

939
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: I think that's a really valuable tool that we came

940
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,760
Speaker 1: out with. One of the one of the bigger winds

941
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: for mountain goats kind of across the board is just

942
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 1: helping people identify billies worst nannies. Yeah, you're looking at

943
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: horn shape yep is one of them. Yeah, that's a

944
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: big one, and probably horn mass or thickness, yes, is

945
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 1: probably less of a less of a easy one. But

946
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: then you have the urination posture. Yeah, and that's kind

947
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: of the nail on the coffin, we say, But Yeah,

948
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: you're kind of looking at a handful of different things,

949
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: and starting with the horns, there is some slight differences

950
00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 1: between the billies and nannies. Where the billies are typically

951
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: going to have thicker horns and a more gradual curvature

952
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: um with some noticeable black glands behind the back side

953
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: of the horn. Nanny's um have a skinnier horn on

954
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: average that kind of goes up and then at the

955
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 1: top has a pretty sharp kink in it, like a

956
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: noticeable turn in the horn. Um, We're billies don't really

957
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 1: have that, uh, that noticeable turning point. What do you

958
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: compare them to like a candy cane and the Nike swoosh, Like, oh,

959
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: I've been I used the Nike swoosh. Um, I've heard

960
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,760
Speaker 1: you say that, but I've heard that before. But I've

961
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 1: thrown that around before. It's kind of the billy's got

962
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: the Nike swoosh going just a clean curve and then uh,

963
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 1: nanny's a kind of like this like lower case R

964
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: or it's like straight up and then just a little

965
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 1: bit of a short turn there. Yeah, but a lot

966
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: of that is always uh up for debate, and there's

967
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: a lot of variables and some some nanny's are really

968
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: big and some these are really small, and so we

969
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: like to have we encourage people to wait to watch

970
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: the animals urinate, which they do very differently. Well, they

971
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,919
Speaker 1: often do that when they're getting out of their beds. Yeah, yeah,

972
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: they do. Yeah, so if you if you view them

973
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: for long enough, you'll often see them go to the

974
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 1: bathroom and the nannies squat like a girl dog, like

975
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: a female dog out in your yard, and the billies

976
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: kind of stretch it all out like a big draft

977
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 1: course like Clydesdale. Yeah, I'll think of some jokes here.

978
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure I can't take anything serious. But um, so,

979
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: you know, goats being a fascination of yours, we were

980
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: talking about this coming down the ridge here they they

981
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: have and we we've already touched on the Olympic National

982
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 1: Park situation and also the um I think the one

983
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: that's more interesting to me just because of the way

984
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 1: it went down, which is a Grand Teton situation. Um,

985
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,919
Speaker 1: there's an economy here that I want to explore that's

986
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: kind of a broader context of kind of what the

987
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: what the goat represents. But let's let's run through those

988
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: two situations. Yeah, start with Grand Tea town. So in

989
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: Grand Teton, you had a small herd of native bighorn

990
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: sheep in the Tatons um that in recent years have

991
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:23,240
Speaker 1: not been doing great. And uh, now have some mountain

992
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: goats out of Idaho came trickling in and have been

993
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: doing very well in the Tetons and inhabiting some of

994
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: this native sheep habitat and kind of pushing them out

995
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: and competing for the best habitat there, which there isn't

996
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: a ton of. It's a small area and we're talking

997
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: smaller populations. Were got a hundred mountain goats in the

998
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: Grand Teton situation. You have a thousand mountain goats in

999
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: the Olympic situation. Um, but yeah, you have a struggling

1000
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: native ungulate and Grand Teton that was the mountain. The

1001
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: introduction of the mountain goat, even though it introduced itself,

1002
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: was a detriment to this animal, and people were quick

1003
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: to uh defend that native big horn sheep heard and

1004
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: uh get those goats out of there. What they did

1005
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: was they quickly moved towards lethal removal, and um, I

1006
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: think they successfully called like thirty five to forty animals

1007
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: and in a day before well here's the wind, deal

1008
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: with it out there, deal with it. We're not gonna

1009
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: We're not coming down. Our next guests are actually headed

1010
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: up the trail. Um. They looked like they might have

1011
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: a lab. I think it's a gold golden lab, golden retriever.

1012
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: It's a good looking dog. I'm not doing good at

1013
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: my dog identification. I thought the first at least that's

1014
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: a step up to to get the actual species right.

1015
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I don't know. I'm I need to get

1016
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: in better shape and just get my checked. That's a

1017
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: black lab. No, that's a Golden retriever. Dumbass, your dumbmass um. Yeah,

1018
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 1: so those are different situations in my mind. Um, I

1019
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: am in favor of protecting this the native sheep um,

1020
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: even if it's a bit of a uh a lost cause. Um,

1021
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: I fear. I fear that the sheeper and uh kind

1022
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: of a bad spot with or without the mountain goat

1023
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: being there. But I am in favor of protecting native

1024
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,919
Speaker 1: ungulates in Grantee On National Park. I'd like to see

1025
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: those animals, those mountain goats live, captured and relocated. They're

1026
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: far more valuable alive than they are dead. Um. But yeah,

1027
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: that's the interesting thing about Olympic National Park. There is

1028
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: no competing native ungulate, just like New Zealand, there is

1029
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: no competing ungulate within It becomes like it becomes like

1030
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: an ideology at that point, or a philosophy of what

1031
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: is native, what is non native? This purest ideology of

1032
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: like we're gonna go back in time to when things

1033
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: were perfect. My question is like what point what day?

1034
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: Like day, pick a day on a real calendar and

1035
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: show me when we arrived it because there was something

1036
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: that we've never seen before before we got here. Yeah,

1037
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: that's a that's a tough one. And that's where I

1038
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: think it becomes interesting to me. When you're just talking

1039
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: about an idea, right, you're not talking about like tangible

1040
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: wildlife management to a point where you're saying, when you're weighing,

1041
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: which I think the complexity of all wildlife management should

1042
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: allow for this, but weighing one thing against another. But

1043
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: when one thing you're weighing is the eradication of a

1044
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: species within an ecosystem, that's that's a heavy weight. You know,

1045
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: that's something that we that we don't normally do here.

1046
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: We don't really partake in and and to to the

1047
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: point we were making earlier, it doesn't get a whole

1048
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 1: lot of pub a lot of press that these things.

1049
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: I hadn't heard the Grand Teaton thing until a couple

1050
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, until the alarms went off. But we should,

1051
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: we should tell the story of like exactly what happened

1052
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: there because, um, the Park Service put a helicopter in yere,

1053
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: right they did. Yeah, they they basically got their plan

1054
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: past which approved them for all sorts of stuff from

1055
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 1: capture relocation, lethal removal by volunteer, lethal removal by UH

1056
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: federal helicopter gunmen. And what's the plan process there? The

1057
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: plan process like to submit the plan and then getting approval, right, Yeah,

1058
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: so there's an E I S and they have to

1059
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: they have to kind of write out a couple different

1060
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: options of what they they are wanting to do, and

1061
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 1: then when that gets approved, they can move forward with

1062
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: their approved options. They kind of circumvented the approved options

1063
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: that were probably had the most public support, the live capturing, relocation,

1064
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: the UH calling and harvesting and salvaging hopefully by volunteers.

1065
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: Those that were the options kind of written in that.

1066
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: I think maybe we're just put there for public support.

1067
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: And as soon as they got the public support and

1068
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: they got green light on this whole thing, they skipped

1069
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: all of that and they just put the chopper in

1070
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: there and they just started shooting. And that went on

1071
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 1: just for a couple of hours for the Secretary of

1072
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 1: the Interior called the Grand Teton National Park and told

1073
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: him to cut it out. Cheese man. Yeah, that's something. Well,

1074
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look into that. I've I've been reading about

1075
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 1: it a little bit. Again, much like the Olympic situation,

1076
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,439
Speaker 1: there's not a whole whole lot out there. Um, it's

1077
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: not like you can read it in the you know,

1078
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: like a major newspaper. Even even aside from that, in

1079
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: in wildlife and ecology papers and websites and folks that

1080
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: cover this. It's not I mean, it's there if you

1081
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 1: look for it for it though, And that's you know,

1082
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 1: some of the that's some of the news we try

1083
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: to broadcast, and that's what we try to use our

1084
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 1: soapbox to kinda tell the story and bring it to light. Um, yeah,

1085
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: we're definitely gonna I'm definitely gonna crack it open. We're

1086
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: gonna look at it on metator dot com and and

1087
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: try to present what's what's there, it's not there. I

1088
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: think it's compelling to to recount even that story of

1089
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 1: a copter being in the air and then having to

1090
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: call it down. Um, because, like like we said earlier,

1091
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 1: you don't like to think of these things is nefarious.

1092
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: I don't. That's not the approach that I'm gonna take

1093
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: to it. But it's a it's a it's an emotion

1094
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 1: or a feeling that I got to resist when I

1095
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: think about aerial gunning of a species that's not it's

1096
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: not a real attractive option. No. Um, so what's the update.

1097
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: There's there's not there's really not much of an update everything.

1098
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: When the brakes got thrown on uh. Shortly after that,

1099
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 1: COVID kind of shut down the park service and stuff.

1100
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 1: Every the time, it just came to a grinding halt. Um.

1101
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 1: We did strike up conversation with Grand Teton and with

1102
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 1: some other neighboring biologists in Wyoming about the possibility of

1103
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 1: capturing and relocating those animals, and unfortunately we're often discouraged

1104
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: to do that because, oh, the teaton are really hardcore

1105
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: terrain and capturing him is too too complicated and dangerous,

1106
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: which I respect that sure, but all mountain goat habitat

1107
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 1: is technical and dangerous. So just to dismiss it right

1108
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 1: away because you think it would be too hard, Um,

1109
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of that. Yeah, I mean

1110
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 1: it's again, the threshold for aerial gunning of any total

1111
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: population should should be I talked about that a lot

1112
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 1: with gun control, Like dude, the threshold for an elective

1113
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: official to enact you know when we talked about this

1114
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: with the Trudeau in Canada and at the point I

1115
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 1: made the people that are that wanted to have a conversation,

1116
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 1: which I do respect, is that the threshold. All I'm

1117
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 1: saying is the threshold for with you know, in the

1118
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: a vacuum but no second Amendment. The threshold to do

1119
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 1: something like that to restrict someoney's rights or in this

1120
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 1: case eradicated species should be should be high. We should

1121
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 1: hold those officials to a very high and stringent standard,

1122
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: and we should go over with fine tooth comb. And

1123
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 1: that doesn't seem like that's been done here no. Um,

1124
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 1: you know, it's been an ongoing thing. Like when you

1125
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: look at Olympic National Park, they've been trying to get

1126
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 1: into their mountain goats for decades, decades and decades, and

1127
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 1: how long have you been there? Do we say that

1128
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 1: they were put in there in the twenties, so it's

1129
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 1: been a it's been a hundred years. Right, how's it going, guys?

1130
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: How are you? Did you make it to the top?

1131
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 1: He did a little windy? It's a little windy up there, right?

1132
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 1: Why we came back down there? Have a good one.

1133
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,439
Speaker 1: That's our fourth guest between two clips. We didn't ask them, Hey, guys,

1134
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: do you like to go uphill or downhill? More? Well done?

1135
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 1: We got two uphills, two downhills. You guys from? Where

1136
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: are you guys from? We we're still trying to decide

1137
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 1: where are you guys from? Okay? Nice? Well, really it's

1138
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: like a tapest tramp here. We like it. This is

1139
01:04:53,000 --> 01:05:00,919
Speaker 1: a podcast where locals why not? Yeah, we're from Data

1140
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: Valley Bosman. We just got nothing else to do, so,

1141
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: you know, we're figured we'd come sit between two cliffs.

1142
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,919
Speaker 1: We're calling this between two cliffs. It's an interview show.

1143
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 1: Have a good one? Is this really could become a thing? Man? Yeah?

1144
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 1: We might have to come back and do this again. Yeah, Um,

1145
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: we'll come back on a Saturday, serious, like that country polane.

1146
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: They'd be like, how did your podcast grow so fast?

1147
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 1: Like I came up with a bunch of stickers face

1148
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 1: to face and sack ag we a peak. But anyway, yeah,

1149
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: how long you know, I know kind of the facts

1150
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 1: around Olympic I don't know the t ton and I

1151
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 1: don't imagine it matters because it's gonna be decades and decades,

1152
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 1: well longer than we've been we've been there. Yeah, So

1153
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 1: the goats were put on the Olympic Peninsula in twenties

1154
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: by some sportsmen. The Park Service came in the thirties

1155
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 1: and set up shop, made it a national park, and

1156
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 1: from day on declared the mountain goat as exotic as

1157
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 1: a zebra. So, um, that is different in the sense

1158
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: of grandtiton, because we're talking about a native big horn

1159
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 1: population that calls that home, that's being a little bit

1160
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 1: stepped on by a population of goats that are moving

1161
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: in from an introduced population in Idaho. So a lot

1162
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: of a couple of moving parts there. But have you

1163
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 1: talked to biologists on the ground in either of these places?

1164
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 1: Park Service officials, I'm sure you've tried to have a

1165
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 1: dialogue here Um, is there indoctrination from decades of declaring

1166
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: these these exotic non native species? Um, how do you

1167
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 1: tell how how those dialogues go. Yeah, Um, it's pretty

1168
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: black and white. Two most wildlife managers, I would say,

1169
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 1: on the whether their native or not in certain areas,

1170
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 1: it's like, well, did did we put them there? Or

1171
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 1: were they already there? Um? But it Yeah, they've fought

1172
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 1: it for a long long time. They've wanted them gone

1173
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 1: for a long time and continually had their plans rejected.

1174
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 1: And then there was a chain of events starting in

1175
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 1: two thousand and ten with the fatal goring of that guy,

1176
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 1: and then uh, that kind of snowballed into a little

1177
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 1: bit momentum. And I mean it took it still took

1178
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 1: ten years, two thousand twenty, you know, and h they're

1179
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 1: kind of finally getting what they've wanted for a hundred years.

1180
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 1: I guess, Well, we we put in a bunch of

1181
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 1: us a meeting to put in I know, I think

1182
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 1: basically everybody on our content team put in and I

1183
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 1: know a lot of people probably calling you, some people

1184
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 1: called me actually when we was talking about doing it.

1185
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 1: And we're excited for the opportunity to get to hunt

1186
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 1: quote unquote a mountain goat in that country. Now I

1187
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 1: agree a concept of it actually being a hunt. I'm down, dude,

1188
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 1: let's go. That's a dream for most folks who like mountains,

1189
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 1: like the back country. But as you explain, it ain't

1190
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 1: a hunt. No. Um, Yeah, I think I crushed some

1191
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 1: dreams some of the phone calls I got. But yeah,

1192
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: a lot of people who were excited to go mountain

1193
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 1: goat hunting on the Olympic Podinsila, what a great opportunity.

1194
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:16,599
Speaker 1: And that's just really not what's going on out there,

1195
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 1: that this is a col in which means you shoot

1196
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 1: every single animal you see from the males, females, kids

1197
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:27,560
Speaker 1: in year lens, every one of them. And there's no

1198
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 1: uh responsibility to salvage any of these animals. So you're

1199
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 1: you're just a hired you're a hit man. Well, and

1200
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 1: I filled out the filled out the form. It was

1201
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 1: really an application resume basically, and the form, you know,

1202
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 1: it makes clear. And then in conversation with some folks

1203
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 1: at MPs, it made clear that yes, while it's it's okay,

1204
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 1: it's not it's not against the rules of the operation

1205
01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 1: to take the meat. It is it is aunt reproductive

1206
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 1: to the activity you're not. So if you shoot one

1207
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 1: on a ridge over there, five yards away, and you

1208
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 1: want to take the half a day to go get

1209
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: the meat and pack the meat out, they're gonna tell you, well,

1210
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 1: look there's ten of them over here, go shoot those.

1211
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 1: And so it wasn't gonna be as pretty as anybody

1212
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 1: would have wanted it to. Yeah, and I think as

1213
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 1: this continues to unfold them, some more of that will

1214
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 1: kind of come to light. Yeah. Yeah, and we wanted

1215
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:31,560
Speaker 1: none of us actually got picked. Um, no one. Do

1216
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 1: you know anyone they got picked? Uh? Not personally. I

1217
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 1: was contacted by a team or two. I'm super excited

1218
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 1: they got drawn and it's like not a draw. I

1219
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 1: just couldn't share their enthusiasm. But um, yeah, yeah, I

1220
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 1: think it's it's it's hard to imagine for me as

1221
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 1: somebody who's just curious, also as from a journalistic perspective,

1222
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 1: to be able to describe to somebody what it feels like,

1223
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 1: what it looks like, the on the ground elements of

1224
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 1: something like this isn't it was important to me. So, um,

1225
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 1: I'm bummed for that reason that we we didn't get drawn.

1226
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 1: We didn't get included. But it wasn't. It wasn't the

1227
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 1: excitement of pursuing. I would love to see that country,

1228
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: to see those animals in that country. That's kind of

1229
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 1: where it where it stopped. Yeah, for the last hundred years.

1230
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:23,600
Speaker 1: You can just go walk in there and see that

1231
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 1: and now this woe. This will be the end of it.

1232
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 1: Look at this beautiful boy. Wow, look at that black lab.

1233
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 1: This is a golden retriever. Hey, very like textbook through

1234
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 1: a bread golden. That's not a black ladd. No, this

1235
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 1: is not a black lab. All right, well, thank you.

1236
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Anybody morning, Hi are you hey? We

1237
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 1: had a question for you. We're doing a podcast. You

1238
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 1: like uphill or downhill better? That's right, that's right, a

1239
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 1: lot of uphill, you agree? Uphill? Where are you guys from?

1240
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:00,560
Speaker 1: We're a very good there is the first people, the

1241
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 1: first locals we've ran out to all day, have a

1242
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 1: good one. I feel like these two snowboarders, snowboarders of July.

1243
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Yeah, they're going to

1244
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 1: shred a little snowy shoot around the corner over there.

1245
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: It's a great one and you'll see it as we

1246
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 1: drive out of here, but it's a big death cool

1247
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:25,639
Speaker 1: are people hike all the way up and over sack

1248
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 1: and around nine Nuki to go hopping at the top

1249
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 1: and just down just not just this morning? Are you

1250
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 1: guys say we've started a great conversation Montin. It's interesting

1251
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 1: to see how people like some people want to like

1252
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 1: stop and wonder. Other people are just bombing. It's like

1253
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 1: it's a nice what's that? Yeah? Yeah, we're just a

1254
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: couple of yo, a couple of local weirdos podcasting between

1255
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 1: two clips. I really think we should. You need to

1256
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 1: plug the show, bring a foot on a couple of

1257
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 1: bean bag chairs. It's up, guys. Have you got a

1258
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 1: question for you? Uh? Upillow downhill? Well you like more?

1259
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 1: Yeah you d answer is definitely gonna be downhill there.

1260
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 1: You guys are messing up our our pole here with you.

1261
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 1: Everyone else seems to like going up pool. Where are

1262
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 1: you going to? Yeah? But a lot of people saying uphill, yeah,

1263
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:29,760
Speaker 1: we enjoy. We guess that have fun in there? Have fun?

1264
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:31,640
Speaker 1: He say, should have it all to yourself. You're the

1265
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:35,560
Speaker 1: first boards going up. Yeah, he's a podcast. We're just

1266
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 1: weird on it right now. Yeah, you're on it. It's

1267
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:45,639
Speaker 1: called it's called the Hunting Collective. Yeah. Yeah, I hope

1268
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:47,560
Speaker 1: you get to punch. You get it. You're gonna get it.

1269
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 1: I hope you find what you're looking for out there.

1270
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 1: Oh good one. Uh so yeah, I mean, let's let's

1271
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:58,680
Speaker 1: run through Olympic a little bit more. Um, you know

1272
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 1: the history of it. The goats were there before we

1273
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 1: said this sport. The goats are there before the Park services.

1274
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:08,759
Speaker 1: Goats were there before we declared it off off limits

1275
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 1: for uh, you know, consumptive use, things of that nature.

1276
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 1: So where it's gonna happen, ye know, we know they're

1277
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 1: going to eradicate him. When did they postponed it because

1278
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 1: of COVID? They uninvited me because of COVID this summer,

1279
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 1: but uh they at the end of July. Just so

1280
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 1: starting here very soon, um, will be the fourth and

1281
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 1: final round of capture and relocation of goats getting caught

1282
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 1: in the Olympic National Park being handed over to the

1283
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 1: state of Washington and then trucked into the North Cascades

1284
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 1: and released into a couple of different sites there. Um,

1285
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 1: we should say that we should cover that and say

1286
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 1: this is the largest as you'll explain easy. You can

1287
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 1: explain there, it's easy for me to. Maybe you have

1288
01:13:56,240 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 1: a grim view of everything that's going on, but there

1289
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:05,240
Speaker 1: is a lot of conservation winds two uh kind of

1290
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 1: to highlight as well, and the biggest of those being

1291
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 1: that this relocation project, this is the largest uh and

1292
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 1: most involved mountain goat relocation project in human history. So

1293
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 1: to date, over three mountain goats have been captured and

1294
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 1: relocated and that's never been done before, not on that scale.

1295
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 1: And so that's that's something where you know, like researchers

1296
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 1: and wildlife managers learned a lot from that. UM. There

1297
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 1: are benefits and kind of on all aspects of that

1298
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 1: capture from different uh, different researchers getting to partake in

1299
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:47,599
Speaker 1: things and get their hands on a lot of animals. UM.

1300
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:53,440
Speaker 1: And then just as far as reseeding the North Cascades

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01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 1: and revitalizing a native heard in Washington. So that's a

1302
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 1: big win. UM, it's not all bad. It's just this

1303
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 1: final the final chapter, the cleansing you know peninsula that

1304
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to swallow. But everything up to this

1305
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 1: point RMG has been involved in heavily and in the caption,

1306
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:18,599
Speaker 1: relocation and the logistics of that and uh, the funding

1307
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 1: of that, and when it's come to the lethal removal

1308
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 1: removal of these animals, we are not not part of

1309
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 1: it at all. Yeah. Um, I don't want to be.

1310
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to be. Yeah, I don't. I don't.

1311
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:36,639
Speaker 1: I just I'm not I'm not the guy to do that. Yeah. Yeah,

1312
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 1: I mean when we thought about it, we definitely struggle

1313
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:42,760
Speaker 1: with it. We knew. I knew even you know, for

1314
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:44,479
Speaker 1: knowing what you're about, what you guys do that, I

1315
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 1: was like, it's not even worse approaching this conversation. But

1316
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 1: there's I hope someone. I hope we can find someone

1317
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 1: out there. If you got picked, if your team got

1318
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:55,600
Speaker 1: picked to go and do this. I'm not interested in

1319
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 1: the politics of it or even really the management of it,

1320
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 1: but I am interested in the on the ground feeling

1321
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 1: of it, experience, the experience of it. You know what

1322
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 1: it's like to go and be part of that, and

1323
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 1: then you know, if you're a hunter or you love wildlife,

1324
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 1: what you come away with that as you know what

1325
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 1: that whether you still support it and you still understand it.

1326
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 1: And the folks that are there putting this operation on

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01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 1: can articulate their points to you in a way to

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01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 1: make you kind of, you know, at least sympathize with

1329
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:25,519
Speaker 1: what they're trying to do more than I do currently.

1330
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know, saying with you sure, yeah, um.

1331
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 1: I think it would be an interesting kind of perspective

1332
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 1: to see whence all this happens. What's interesting was when

1333
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 1: when all this was being drafted and proposed and adopted,

1334
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 1: we uh, you know, and every when the volunteer call

1335
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:46,560
Speaker 1: in was discussed, it was very much discussed with the

1336
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 1: hopes of oh that that's great, that you know, it

1337
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 1: sounds like an opportunity for teams to go out and

1338
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 1: recover these animals and salvage hide and horns and meats

1339
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 1: and um. Forally that has not been prioritized that we

1340
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:08,560
Speaker 1: are they are utilizing volunteers before lethal helicopter gun in.

1341
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 1: But it almost just seems to be just to like

1342
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 1: check that box and a piece a piece again. I

1343
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 1: can tell you from from going through that process, it

1344
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 1: was clear through the ap right and so you know

1345
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 1: how god hunt is. I don't I've never done it,

1346
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,680
Speaker 1: but I've been in country word where it happens in

1347
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:31,560
Speaker 1: this country. You shoot one and it slides down it

1348
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 1: goes down to shoot, and it slides down to the

1349
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 1: bottom of a drainage or ravine or some gnarly the

1350
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 1: whole that you want to go in, and it takes

1351
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 1: the rest of the day to get over there and

1352
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 1: get it field dressed. So it's clear, it's clear, even

1353
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 1: without them telling you this, that that kind of activity

1354
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 1: would be frowned upon because it's time and energy spent. Yeah,

1355
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 1: against not against the goal, right, because it's the time

1356
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:59,680
Speaker 1: it takes to do it. Yeah, just different players at

1357
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 1: the table will here. Yeah, but at the end of

1358
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 1: the day, mountain goods are more valuable to me alive

1359
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 1: than they are dead. Yeah. Yeah, you should have to say.

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01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 1: You shouldn't have to say that, dude. You should not

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01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 1: have to say, in this fucking country, I'm gonna cuss

1362
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 1: down and do I'm from because the Irish will come

1363
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 1: out of me. You shouldn't have to say that. And

1364
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:21,719
Speaker 1: I get to the point where they're pushing out other species.

1365
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,599
Speaker 1: It's it's a choice you make between one dead thing

1366
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 1: possibly in another a dead thing. But even beyond that,

1367
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 1: you should you know, that's a position that I don't

1368
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 1: want anyone to be in that loves a species, whether

1369
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 1: it's a game species or you're just a predator species

1370
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 1: or anything. You know, because we've been through that in

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01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:44,680
Speaker 1: this country and that so that's a tough thing. Um,

1372
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 1: it's a tough thing to think about. And so hopefully

1373
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 1: you know everybody's listening to this. You can, you can.

1374
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that you have to support what we're

1375
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 1: talking about or fully support the call, but look into it. Yeah,

1376
01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 1: it's just I respect all the players at the table.

1377
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 1: There's a lot of a lot of interest groups here,

1378
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 1: and I think, like I said, there's a lot of

1379
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 1: conservation success to focus on through all of this, and

1380
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 1: there are a lot of triumphs that are coming out

1381
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 1: of this. UM. There are just some parts of it

1382
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 1: that are that are tough for me as a mountain

1383
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:23,600
Speaker 1: goat advocate to uh kind of stomach. Well do you

1384
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:26,800
Speaker 1: see this? Are there other hotspots where this potential in

1385
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:32,640
Speaker 1: the future. Well, yeah, I mean anywhere that anywhere that

1386
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:35,760
Speaker 1: sheep and goats co exists, you have the potential for

1387
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 1: conflict like this. Um. They co exist symbiotically often and

1388
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 1: then sometimes they don't. Sometimes mountain goats have reputation for

1389
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 1: kind of being bullies and pushing cheap out of spots. Um,

1390
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 1: every situation is different when it comes to that. But yeah,

1391
01:19:56,920 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 1: when you like talk about movie animals around and whether

1392
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 1: you get permission to do it or not. Like in

1393
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 1: Utah right now they're trying to introduce some goats into

1394
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 1: a wilderness area in the FEDS or trying to stop

1395
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 1: them from doing that, and um, it's just yeah, the

1396
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 1: never ending dilemma of native or non native. Yeah, and

1397
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 1: and the proximity to native and non native. In the

1398
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 1: case of the Mountain how many states are they native? Uh,

1399
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 1: the native and Montana the native. Yeah, there's and this

1400
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 1: is that's a tough one too because people there's people

1401
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:31,560
Speaker 1: that argue their native in Colorado and then people to

1402
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 1: argue that they're not native in Colorado. And then same

1403
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 1: with Utah. People say they're they're native here, They're all

1404
01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:40,640
Speaker 1: they're not native here. And you imagine it's just a

1405
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 1: tool for an agenda, right in that case, when it's

1406
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 1: when when you can say I want them to be

1407
01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 1: here so they're native. I don't want them to be

1408
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 1: here so they're non native. It's a tough situation to

1409
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 1: be in. Well, you know, they had back as far

1410
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 1: as the last ice age, there was mountain goat remains

1411
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 1: found in Mexico. So as the ice retreated north, the

1412
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 1: out and goat kind of went with it north. Uh,

1413
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 1: with the mountain goat like Sonora, There's no way to know.

1414
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 1: And if it was icy enough, I guess, I guess

1415
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 1: that could work. Yeah, yeah, that's why. Again, I'm glad

1416
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 1: that you're doing what you're doing. I'm glad that we

1417
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 1: can focus on this a little bit. I don't I

1418
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:21,680
Speaker 1: hate to shy away from sticky situations. I like to

1419
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:23,639
Speaker 1: dive into them and just think about them. And as

1420
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:25,680
Speaker 1: as as you kind of pull the layers back of

1421
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 1: of the mountain goat itself, the idea of it being

1422
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 1: in the Rocky Mountain Ranges, the idea of it being

1423
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 1: its native habitat, the idea of it approaching into habitats

1424
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:39,679
Speaker 1: non native, all of that kind of paints a broader picture.

1425
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 1: And we talked about this last week. We're in that

1426
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:45,000
Speaker 1: in yellow Stone. It just paints a broader picture of

1427
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 1: the complexity of wildlife management. Oh my gosh, what a

1428
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:55,599
Speaker 1: what a menagerie con using players at the table. All right,

1429
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna wait here. We got a couple of our

1430
01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 1: last guests on between two cliffs or come it up.

1431
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 1: Um that nolex wearing a rich red vest it is

1432
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 1: which I'm not familiar with that breed, but there's a

1433
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 1: rover rover red rover. So we got our last. It

1434
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 1: looks like a family, full family coming up, mom, whole gang.

1435
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 1: I'm seeing people get out. I love it man incitually

1436
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 1: going into goat country. Well in this country too, this

1437
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 1: is tough country. So the people that are here, you

1438
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 1: don't you don't see any people here that are having

1439
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 1: a bad time, even if they're sweating it out. What

1440
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:37,160
Speaker 1: I like about this is people can come up here

1441
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:41,000
Speaker 1: and have an encounter with a mountain goat, and that's

1442
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:46,600
Speaker 1: a really unique thing for population. So I like to

1443
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:49,559
Speaker 1: think that everybody that comes up and does this hike

1444
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 1: has an opportunity to have kind of a an intimate,

1445
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:56,760
Speaker 1: uh encounter with a mountain goat, and then hopefully from

1446
01:22:56,840 --> 01:22:59,639
Speaker 1: that comes it's kind of interest in the passion. It's

1447
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:01,599
Speaker 1: kind of an interesting comparison to to a national park

1448
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:04,680
Speaker 1: because this is not unlike what you would see on

1449
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 1: a trail the trailhead in either one of the two

1450
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 1: places we've talked about you know, we gotter bells coming

1451
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 1: coming back here, some bear bells or air bells. Yeah,

1452
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:16,559
Speaker 1: so this is you know, people on the trailhead enjoying

1453
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 1: this stuff. Nobody's out here for something reasons. They're out

1454
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:23,720
Speaker 1: here to see it. Nobody's from here, just a couple

1455
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:27,879
Speaker 1: of people from here. And so that feels like Yellowstone.

1456
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 1: It feels like a national park. The high traffic, beautiful,

1457
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 1: high trafficked, airy with wildlife about, you know, and so

1458
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 1: it's got that feeling um in many ways. And so

1459
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:40,520
Speaker 1: it's nice to but everybody is here for that experience

1460
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 1: and they appreciate it the way we appreciate it. I'm

1461
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 1: sure special place. It is special views. We just need

1462
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 1: to we got rid of the wind. We just needed

1463
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:53,720
Speaker 1: to see a goat which, yeah, we got the one.

1464
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 1: That's a that's a pretty slim morning of the goat side.

1465
01:23:56,280 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 1: And it's true. At least we got to see. That's true.

1466
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 1: That's true. They might be down, they might just be

1467
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 1: down in the parking lot. They're gonna be down. They

1468
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 1: are sometimes looking assault off the Yeah, man, I've seen

1469
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 1: it right down there at the lake scene cheap doing

1470
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 1: that too. I've seen him looking the soft road. Really.

1471
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:19,599
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's another common issue with habituation of mountain goats.

1472
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:22,840
Speaker 1: They'll look up urine human urine stains, so as people

1473
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:24,599
Speaker 1: hike along the trail and stop and take a pee,

1474
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:27,840
Speaker 1: goats will go home to get the salt out of

1475
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 1: the urine stain in the soil. So that's is actually

1476
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 1: a a topic of conflict between humans and mountain goats.

1477
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:40,560
Speaker 1: These mountain goats and urine stories, they seem to have

1478
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 1: a lot of around the mountain. Well, before we let

1479
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 1: you go and we get our last guests on between

1480
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:54,800
Speaker 1: two cliffs, um, I feel like they're gonna say downhill. Um,

1481
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:56,960
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be downhillers. But then we gotta

1482
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 1: make our our choice. Tell a story of your first

1483
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:01,840
Speaker 1: mount and go hunt. Oh gosh, because of what you

1484
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 1: tell me eight years ago, nine years ago. Yeah, my

1485
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 1: first mountain was my own mountain goat hunt. I drew

1486
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 1: a tag in two thousand eleven and I hunted here

1487
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 1: in Montana and I ended up hunting super late season

1488
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:17,320
Speaker 1: and harvesting a mountain goat on Thanksgiving morning, forty eight

1489
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 1: hours left in the three month season. That there's no

1490
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:25,080
Speaker 1: way that wasn't there was a winter Wonderland. Um. But

1491
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:27,400
Speaker 1: that's really what kind of like planted the seed of

1492
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 1: like my interests in mountain goats and then ultimately like

1493
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 1: passion for conserving them. Um. But that was really cool

1494
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:41,640
Speaker 1: experience for me and evolution of like me hanging out

1495
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:43,639
Speaker 1: in the mountains, because that was before I had any

1496
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:47,600
Speaker 1: nice gear and uh maybe before I knew what I

1497
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 1: was doing mountain goat. But I harvested a great nine

1498
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:55,080
Speaker 1: and a half inch billy with a full winter coat.

1499
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:58,400
Speaker 1: He lives in the front room at Stone Glacier Showroom.

1500
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:00,800
Speaker 1: You've probably seen him many times. I've dranking. I think

1501
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 1: I drank a beer right beside it. Many people have. Um.

1502
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:09,840
Speaker 1: But from then I was telling you coming down, and

1503
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 1: I'm guilty of inviting myself on every mountain goat hunt

1504
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:17,639
Speaker 1: I can invite myself on. So yeah, I think I've

1505
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 1: been on seventeen, really seventeen of them. Now, well, you're invited.

1506
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 1: If I ever draw, you're invited. I appreciate that. I

1507
01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:27,680
Speaker 1: would definitely be there. I intend to hang. People just

1508
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:29,599
Speaker 1: want me to come so I can tell them which one.

1509
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 1: I don't think it really has anything to do with

1510
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:36,080
Speaker 1: people enjoying my company. You've carved out an important niche

1511
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 1: and conservation, yes or no, and then we can blame

1512
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 1: it on the rocket. Yeah, I'll tell you what. I

1513
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:49,559
Speaker 1: still every mountain goat hunt, I go on. I mean,

1514
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:51,680
Speaker 1: I'm pretty confident most of the time when we make

1515
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 1: that decision to harvest an animal. Very confident and uh,

1516
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 1: but I still hold my breath until you walk up

1517
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:01,160
Speaker 1: and made the legs. We were talking about bear hunting

1518
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 1: coming down. We just got out of bear season and

1519
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 1: the same thing there, especially in this country, is open country.

1520
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 1: And you know, catch a bear in a timbered meadow,

1521
01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 1: you know, like just in the meadow right out of

1522
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 1: the timber, looks like a good one. You run up

1523
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:15,160
Speaker 1: there and get a shot. Going to timber, buddy, do

1524
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 1: that this year. Yeah. It's just glad they taste all right,

1525
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:22,680
Speaker 1: because that's gonna be an easy pack out. But yeah,

1526
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's something that you know, if you're

1527
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:27,599
Speaker 1: out there, you can go to your to the website, right,

1528
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:30,160
Speaker 1: that's right, go to lions dot org. Yeah, just take

1529
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:31,720
Speaker 1: a look at it. Take a watch. It's got the

1530
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:35,560
Speaker 1: the dulcet tones of one Stephen Ronnella. Yeah, there's a

1531
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:40,680
Speaker 1: lot of cool content on there between the video we

1532
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,800
Speaker 1: made was Steve and then our conservation blog is just

1533
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:47,679
Speaker 1: kind of all the news and happenings of conservation across

1534
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:51,760
Speaker 1: the continent. Yeah, get interested, man, because it's there's a

1535
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 1: lot that you've done. Here comes our last guests. Hi,

1536
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:56,920
Speaker 1: can we ask you a question? Do you like? Go

1537
01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 1: on uphillar down here? More on the mountain, don't fall off? Okay? Cool?

1538
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 1: Power through it? We like it. Hey, guys, good good?

1539
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 1: How are you guys? Where are you guys from? Perfect

1540
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:17,800
Speaker 1: second group of locals. Everyone else has been from from

1541
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 1: other states. We have got New York, Colorado, from all

1542
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 1: around Indiana, or from from Randy looking just recording a podcast.

1543
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:31,760
Speaker 1: I'm talking about goats, talking about guys. Yeah, perfect to do.

1544
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:35,600
Speaker 1: I hope you guys see something. All right, we got it.

1545
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:37,679
Speaker 1: Pill for the wind, pill for the wind. I'm gonna

1546
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:43,160
Speaker 1: take up pill um. Yeah, even going up hill, um,

1547
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay downhill. Oh shit, because I can go.

1548
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:50,680
Speaker 1: You're an innovator, I can go faster. Okay, yep, I'm

1549
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 1: with you. I don't get wind you probably like speed.

1550
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 1: Don't get winded, and it would the bad part is

1551
01:28:57,479 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 1: right like your quads get what I was gonna say

1552
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 1: many guys about the blisters. You gotta think about the blisters.

1553
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:05,320
Speaker 1: You gotta think about your the burning of the legs,

1554
01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:08,640
Speaker 1: you know, I know, like I like Cam Haynes, I

1555
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 1: always think, if he's you know, just keep going. It's

1556
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 1: not what is it, It's not it's hard. If it's harder,

1557
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:19,720
Speaker 1: it's better. I can't I can't remember sometime tune of

1558
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:23,240
Speaker 1: that um every time I talk, can sometimes listens. Every

1559
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:25,680
Speaker 1: time I talk, he always says, I'm talking. I'm not

1560
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:28,960
Speaker 1: talking about him. I'm not. I love you man. Um.

1561
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:32,880
Speaker 1: I just can't remember the slogans. That's all. That's all.

1562
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, but going downhill, especially getting some loose screen,

1563
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:40,920
Speaker 1: you feel good. You know, there's there's the when I

1564
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:42,759
Speaker 1: was at YETI, we worked on a film called Arctica

1565
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:46,120
Speaker 1: Red with with the with the fosses and the seacats

1566
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:48,479
Speaker 1: of the world, and they're so good, so much good

1567
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 1: footage from the Kenzie Mountains up up north of those

1568
01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:56,680
Speaker 1: guys just beating up screen with their tracking polls. I'm like,

1569
01:29:56,680 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 1: I always thought, just running through it looks so cool. Man.

1570
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:01,640
Speaker 1: That's that's one of the coolest. That's one of the

1571
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:04,639
Speaker 1: coolest drone shots I've ever seen. It's pretty cool. So yeah,

1572
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick with uphill only because it only because

1573
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:11,719
Speaker 1: it takes it takes a little bit of a little

1574
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:13,519
Speaker 1: bit of doing. There's a little bit of effort. But

1575
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 1: I can see downhill. It's it's more fun. I'm gonna

1576
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:18,280
Speaker 1: stick with downhill because that's the direction we are going

1577
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:21,519
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, we're gonna head downhill. Well, um man,

1578
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:24,000
Speaker 1: I do I appreciate all you're doing, like it's it's

1579
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:28,880
Speaker 1: it's absolutely unique thing that you've endeavored to do. And

1580
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:31,759
Speaker 1: I know you didn't you know, set out the change

1581
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:33,479
Speaker 1: the world. Just want to check out some goats, but

1582
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:36,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's a it's they're an interesting animal that

1583
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:39,200
Speaker 1: sit at kind of a nexus like many other animals

1584
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:41,639
Speaker 1: like the mountain lion that we talked about last week.

1585
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:44,640
Speaker 1: They it sits now at this this interesting point in

1586
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:49,080
Speaker 1: time and also just and what it represents. And so

1587
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 1: you know, the more we know about them, the more

1588
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:54,160
Speaker 1: we talk about them, the better my my opinion. Yeah, Yeah,

1589
01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:56,360
Speaker 1: we hope to get you out on a field project

1590
01:30:56,479 --> 01:30:58,479
Speaker 1: or come do some stuff like this here in the

1591
01:30:58,520 --> 01:31:00,040
Speaker 1: next year. Yeah, I've never been in the crazy I

1592
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:02,759
Speaker 1: know you guys do some stuff crazy we have, Yeah, crazy.

1593
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:05,200
Speaker 1: Just got a new biologist over there. We're looking at

1594
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 1: the craziest right now. They just got a new regional

1595
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:10,920
Speaker 1: biologist over there, so I hopefully look forward to working

1596
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:13,439
Speaker 1: with him in the years ahead. Get some boots in there,

1597
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm gay man anytime. Also Stone Glacier. Yeah, man,

1598
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 1: come come see the goat collection. Feel like if you're

1599
01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:24,720
Speaker 1: in the mountains, you can't find any mountain goa, it's

1600
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:27,160
Speaker 1: just stopped by the stone glaciers. Are you still guys

1601
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:29,880
Speaker 1: within the COVID mindset? Are you still doing the growler?

1602
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 1: If people bring in you know, uh, that's a hunting

1603
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:36,280
Speaker 1: season thing that they're like a fall hunting season thing primarily,

1604
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:39,719
Speaker 1: or or don't bring anything for bucks and beers campaign,

1605
01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:42,639
Speaker 1: don't bring anything in there. Now, well, our show room

1606
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:47,320
Speaker 1: is open. We're just doing our social distancing and offering

1607
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:51,519
Speaker 1: masks at the door. But um, hopefully come fall we

1608
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:54,080
Speaker 1: do have the doors open again. So that's one of

1609
01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:56,799
Speaker 1: the best parts of working there in the fall, seeing

1610
01:31:56,960 --> 01:32:01,320
Speaker 1: just the crazy amount of animal people bring by. And

1611
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:03,479
Speaker 1: uh not missed that, man, I missed change for a

1612
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 1: photo for a growler of beer had that idea. It

1613
01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:11,880
Speaker 1: was a collective kind of idea between Lyle and Jeff

1614
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:14,160
Speaker 1: and I thought we were just kind of spitballing one day.

1615
01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:16,719
Speaker 1: I think I said, cool, if we had a Polaroid

1616
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:18,960
Speaker 1: camera here and we you know, somebody bring by their

1617
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:20,680
Speaker 1: antlers or snap a photo of them and put on

1618
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:23,479
Speaker 1: the wall. And then Jeff was very quick said it's

1619
01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:25,200
Speaker 1: a good idea. You know what to make it better,

1620
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:29,240
Speaker 1: you got a beer, and then uh, Lyle ran with it,

1621
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:31,600
Speaker 1: and we all just kind of made it happen. We

1622
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:32,760
Speaker 1: been doing it for a couple of years and now

1623
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 1: so if you come to Stone Glacier you'll see a

1624
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:37,840
Speaker 1: huge collection of photos on the wall of people who

1625
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:40,280
Speaker 1: have brought their creators by. It's a you know, when

1626
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 1: I was a kid, there was checking stations. Yeah. Yeah,

1627
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:45,719
Speaker 1: we joke that there was still checking there's check stations

1628
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:48,200
Speaker 1: on the highway and stuff. During we joked that the

1629
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:50,679
Speaker 1: FTBP would be smart to put one in our parking lot.

1630
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:54,240
Speaker 1: That where's coming these dudes posted up with Bino was

1631
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:56,840
Speaker 1: like checking out what's going on? Yeah, I mean that's

1632
01:32:56,880 --> 01:32:58,360
Speaker 1: when I was a kid. I'd love to go get

1633
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:01,519
Speaker 1: like a cold cut sub and a coke and hang

1634
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:03,680
Speaker 1: out and just look at look at bucks that were

1635
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:05,320
Speaker 1: in Big Bucks where I came from. But that's that's

1636
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:07,479
Speaker 1: something that you guys have kind of recreated in a way.

1637
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:11,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, for sure there's a good culture in there.

1638
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 1: I hope everybody is able to make it through at

1639
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:15,400
Speaker 1: some point. All right, Man Stone Glacier, Rocky Mountain, go

1640
01:33:15,439 --> 01:33:18,479
Speaker 1: to lines Um. I really appreciate you spending some time,

1641
01:33:18,520 --> 01:33:21,320
Speaker 1: and we'll come back for between two cliffs here later

1642
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:23,320
Speaker 1: this year. We'll be back soon. We'll be back. Thanks

1643
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:26,320
Speaker 1: for us, Jonas, thanks for having me, Thanks thanks for listening. Peace.

1644
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:39,360
Speaker 1: That's it. That's all you've done, your cocktail film, Lode.

1645
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:43,880
Speaker 1: I'm going slow, take a little drink, see I always

1646
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:47,400
Speaker 1: because my my wife takes uh several years to finish

1647
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:49,600
Speaker 1: one drink. It's a problem. Yeah, And I used to

1648
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:51,560
Speaker 1: think that she was just a slow drinker. But the

1649
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:54,680
Speaker 1: more time I spend around other people, I just to

1650
01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:57,200
Speaker 1: finish than everybody, So I just think I'm a fast.

1651
01:33:57,360 --> 01:33:59,320
Speaker 1: One of the reason why we like you here, don't

1652
01:33:59,479 --> 01:34:03,720
Speaker 1: collective because you drink, and you drink a lot. Um. Well,

1653
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:06,840
Speaker 1: thank you to Pete, thank you to everyone out there.

1654
01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 1: For listening, and thanks to our emailers for telling us

1655
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:12,800
Speaker 1: what birds we heard and for giving us some not

1656
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:14,960
Speaker 1: so sharp moments. Again, not to sharp moments will continue

1657
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:17,240
Speaker 1: throughout the fall. So do you want to be considered

1658
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:19,120
Speaker 1: for not so sharp moments? T HD at the mediator

1659
01:34:19,160 --> 01:34:22,680
Speaker 1: dot com. Tell us all the dumb things you did

1660
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:28,599
Speaker 1: outside not too long, not too short, just right, just right,

1661
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:31,000
Speaker 1: and you'll get chosen and you'll win a field sharpener.

1662
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:35,760
Speaker 1: Same thing our element cocktail that we created that we're

1663
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 1: both riding pretty high on right now. I'm feeling I'm

1664
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:41,200
Speaker 1: feeling good. You're feeling good. I was incredibly nervous walking

1665
01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:43,160
Speaker 1: into this room this morning. I thought this was going

1666
01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:44,880
Speaker 1: to be a terrible drink. You don't trust me. We're

1667
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:48,040
Speaker 1: in We're in the next. Nope, don't trust you. It was.

1668
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:51,680
Speaker 1: It was good. It's delicious. And also, you don't have

1669
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:54,640
Speaker 1: to make a cocktail with this. In fact, uh, just

1670
01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:57,439
Speaker 1: don't make a cocktail. Just drink it. Just drink it.

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01:34:57,840 --> 01:34:59,800
Speaker 1: Put it in some water and drink it. That's fine

1672
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,600
Speaker 1: and hydrated. You should do that. I'm not saying you

1673
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 1: shouldn't do that. I'm saying it's okay to be creative.

1674
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:09,080
Speaker 1: It's okay to drink at t se am on a Monday,

1675
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:12,800
Speaker 1: and that's that's fine, there's nothing wrong with that. So

1676
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:14,719
Speaker 1: that's how we want to introduce element to the show.

1677
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:17,599
Speaker 1: You can see hear him, hear about him every week

1678
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:21,880
Speaker 1: here from them quite often, so welcome, please support them

1679
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:24,479
Speaker 1: win and if you can, it's important to the show.

1680
01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:28,880
Speaker 1: Keep us chugging along here at the Hunting Collective. Anything else, Phil,

1681
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:32,160
Speaker 1: anythink us you're feeling anything other statements? You're you're feeling hydrated,

1682
01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:35,160
Speaker 1: you're feeling a little bit tipsy. Um, I cleaned up

1683
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:37,600
Speaker 1: the mess I might here. Yeah. I just want to

1684
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:41,200
Speaker 1: say thank you, um, because so sometimes people come in here,

1685
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:43,760
Speaker 1: whether it's with a coffee or with a bunch of

1686
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:46,840
Speaker 1: fake meat, and they make a huge mass would do that,

1687
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:50,640
Speaker 1: and sometimes they don't clean it up. Uh, So I

1688
01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:52,400
Speaker 1: want to thank you for just being right on top

1689
01:35:52,439 --> 01:35:55,040
Speaker 1: of that. No problem, No problem. Well we'll see you

1690
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:58,160
Speaker 1: guys next week on The Hunting Collective. We're moving through August.

1691
01:35:58,200 --> 01:36:01,840
Speaker 1: We're getting towards ELK season, more talk, more fun, hunting

1692
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:06,280
Speaker 1: adventures right here on the show. Say bye, Phil, goodbye.

1693
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:10,080
Speaker 1: You know, because I can't go a week without doing

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01:36:10,439 --> 01:36:23,519
Speaker 1: rung Oh without absolute run breaking, out right absolutely drinking