Speaker 1: Hey, Discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
Speaker 1: just to touch, to get you through. Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig
Speaker 1: into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking
Speaker 1: about this week's full episode subject on Marilyn Manson. We
Speaker 1: are previewing the coming b York episode, talking about the
Speaker 1: worst bands of the nineties, and we go through your voicemails,
Speaker 1: text DMS emails and as always, a whole lot of rosie.
Speaker 1: All right, Discos, let's get into it. So I'm reading
Speaker 1: this great book called Maidens by Alex Mikilitis. I think
Speaker 1: that's how you pronounce his name. Apology's Alex if I
Speaker 1: got that wrong. It's one of those modern day I
Speaker 1: get the Christie type who'd done it. Books that we've
Speaker 1: talked about here. Books. I love books. I know a
Speaker 1: bunch of you love as well. And last night, I
Speaker 1: came across this passage that I thought was super relevant
Speaker 1: to the music in true crime storytelling that we're doing here.
Speaker 1: It's short, I'm going to read it to you now.
Speaker 1: It says a long time ago, psychopathy used to be
Speaker 1: called simply evil. People who were evil, who took delight
Speaker 1: in hunting or killing others were written about ever since
Speaker 1: Mideia took an axe to her children, and probably long
Speaker 1: before that. The word psychopath was coined by a German
Speaker 1: psychiatrist in eighteen eighty eight, the same year Jack the
Speaker 1: Ripper terrorized London from the German word psycho pastiche, literally
Speaker 1: meaning suffering soul. For Marianna, that's the character in the book.
Speaker 1: For Mariana, this was the clue, the suffering, the sense
Speaker 1: that these monsters were also in pain. Thinking about them
Speaker 1: as victims allowed her to be more rational in her
Speaker 1: approach and more compassionate. Psychopathy or sadism never appeared from nowhere.
Speaker 1: It was not a virus infecting someone out of the blue.
Speaker 1: It had a long prehistory in childhood. And that's the
Speaker 1: end of the passage. So basically, what that quote is
Speaker 1: telling us, and what medical history is telling us, is
Speaker 1: that psychopaths are not born, They're baked in childhood from
Speaker 1: the suffering that these people experience from their own past trauma. Now,
Speaker 1: in almost every episode that we've covered here where we
Speaker 1: dive into a musician's past, particularly the more psychotic musicians,
Speaker 1: the ones who have allegedly killed like Jerry V. Lewis,
Speaker 1: those who are sexually abusive, megalomaniacs like Diddy, the psychotically
Speaker 1: ambitious like Madonna, the violently drug crazed like James Brown,
Speaker 1: and every one of those cases we find in our
Speaker 1: research suffering. As the quote that I just read to
Speaker 1: you says, Now, as always, I'm not excusing these quote
Speaker 1: unquote suffering souls. I'm simply trying to understand them. And
Speaker 1: like I've always said, what made James Brown carry a
Speaker 1: shotgun across cross country police chase and violently abuse women
Speaker 1: while fueled on crazy amounts of drugs? Okay, what made
Speaker 1: him do that is the same thing that made one
Speaker 1: of the greatest musicians in the history of the world.
Speaker 1: The fact that he was raised in a whorehouse and
Speaker 1: disciplined as a young boy by being held upside down
Speaker 1: in a burl bag and beaten with a wooden Stick.
Speaker 1: Without that trauma, you don't get the drive to become
Speaker 1: the hardest working man in show business, and you don't
Speaker 1: get that artistry, and you don't get the psychotic behavior either.
Speaker 1: Same goes for the rest of the musicians that I mentioned. Now,
Speaker 1: for those of you who are new to Disgrace ND
Speaker 1: this week, again, we're not trying to excuse the behavior
Speaker 1: of these musicians. We're just trying to understand it. So
Speaker 1: to this week's episode subject, Marilyn Manson, that quote that
Speaker 1: I read you says that before they had the word psychopath,
Speaker 1: they just called those who willingly hurt others evil. The
Speaker 1: introduction of the word introduced the concept of suffering and
Speaker 1: thus the possibility, I guess, of further understanding. We all
Speaker 1: understand evil. It's black and white. Psychopathy is a little
Speaker 1: more gray, a little more complicated. Now, do I think
Speaker 1: Ditty is a psychopath? Yes? Do I let Ditty off
Speaker 1: the hook for what he's done? No? Do I understand
Speaker 1: why he did it? Yeah? I kind of do. As
Speaker 1: you can tell from the two full Sean Combs episodes
Speaker 1: that we've released, particularly Part two that dels into his
Speaker 1: history and the murder of his father, by a notorious
Speaker 1: Harlem gangster. That trauma, that suffering. It not only allows
Speaker 1: us to understand what these artists have done, but it
Speaker 1: also in some cases, not in all, but in some cases,
Speaker 1: drives the artists to contrition, to empathy. But what about
Speaker 1: this week's subject, Marilyn Manson. Was his behavior that we
Speaker 1: detailed in this episode psychotic? Yes, was there past suffering
Speaker 1: in his life trauma debatable? Now. I was struck when
Speaker 1: reading Marilyn Manson's autobiography by the fact that there's nearly
Speaker 1: zero examples of the artist's humanity quite the opposite. In
Speaker 1: humanity is one of the goals of the artists. In
Speaker 1: the one time that the artist that Marilyn Manson bends
Speaker 1: toward humanity, it's for completely selfish reasons, if we're to
Speaker 1: believe him, because he believes that being humane will help
Speaker 1: him with his art. So what does that make Marilyn Manson, Well,
Speaker 1: it makes him unique amongst all the subjects that we've covered.
Speaker 1: But does his lack of humanity, his striving for inhumanity,
Speaker 1: not only make him a psychopath but instead make him evil?
Speaker 1: Truly evil? I don't know the answer to that, but
Speaker 1: I hope the answer is no, I'm always rooting for
Speaker 1: the comeback, just like Don Kove and a certain Jewish carpenter,
Speaker 1: I've always rooting for mercy. Part of what I think
Speaker 1: is going on here with Marilyn Manson is I think,
Speaker 1: you know, in his autobiography, I think he's a bit
Speaker 1: of an unreliable narrator. He's trying, no, I I was
Speaker 1: about to say desperately, but not desperately. He's trying in
Speaker 1: the autobiography to paint a picture of a different type
Speaker 1: of artists, and he does a damn good job in
Speaker 1: doing that. Now, what we think of that artist is
Speaker 1: a completely different story. There's been a ton of hate
Speaker 1: and anger directed to Marilyn Manson in our social posts
Speaker 1: this week, and I get it. I get the anger.
Speaker 1: But one poster commented that Marilyn Manson aka Brian Warner
Speaker 1: has cleaned himself up. In my research, I've come across
Speaker 1: next to no examples of empathy from Marilyn Manson. I
Speaker 1: hope it exists. I hope it's there. If anyone's a fan,
Speaker 1: hit me up, let me know, let me know what
Speaker 1: I don't know, Okay, If Brian Warner has had some
Speaker 1: sort of redemption beyond getting just back on the road
Speaker 1: and filling stadiums and getting his career going again. If
Speaker 1: he's changed in any demonstrably humane ways, I want to know,
Speaker 1: so hit me up six point seven nine oh six
Speaker 1: six sixty three eight on voicemail and text, or at
Speaker 1: Disgrace lampod on the socials. We'll keep the Marilyn Manson
Speaker 1: conversation at a low hum. We'll keep that going and
Speaker 1: figure this out, try and get more into it, because
Speaker 1: you know, love him or hate him, you just can't
Speaker 1: get around the fact that he's a fascinating individual. All right,
Speaker 1: speaking of fascinating individuals like yourselves. This week, for those
Speaker 1: of you who are new here, let me break it
Speaker 1: down for you. Okay, let me break it down for
Speaker 1: you what we do here, all right. On Tuesdays, we
Speaker 1: release a new full scripted, sound designed episode of Disgraceland,
Speaker 1: our bread and Butter, so to speak, like we just
Speaker 1: did this past Tuesday with Marilyn Manson. On Thursdays, we
Speaker 1: release these after party bonus episodes where we discussed the
Speaker 1: full episode and where I take your calls and texts
Speaker 1: relative to the full episodes. Question of the week, which
Speaker 1: gets asked the week prior, and at the end of
Speaker 1: the full episodes, on Fridays, we dip into our archive
Speaker 1: of over two hundred and thirty five full episodes and
Speaker 1: relaunch a previously released episode. Okay, it's like when that
Speaker 1: TV show that you used to watch back in the
Speaker 1: day would air or rerun. Okay. We call these rewind episodes,
Speaker 1: and we do this because we have so many days episodes,
Speaker 1: all right. It helps expose new listeners to some of
Speaker 1: our past hits. Occasionally, those rewind episodes that we release
Speaker 1: on Fridays are part of a multi episode story, and
Speaker 1: in that case we release both parts one and two
Speaker 1: over the weekend, which is what we're doing this Friday
Speaker 1: and this Saturday with our rewind episodes on The Rolling
Speaker 1: Stones at Altamont and The Rolling Stones in Exile. These
Speaker 1: are two of my favorite episodes on one of my
Speaker 1: favorite bands of all time, and I cannot wait for
Speaker 1: you guys to hear them if you have not already.
Speaker 1: If you have, I can't wait for you to re
Speaker 1: listen and get your deeper insight when we talk again
Speaker 1: next week. Now, Next week on Tuesday is our new episode.
Speaker 1: Our next new episode on b York and the truly
Speaker 1: psychotic man, not a musician, truly psychotic man who tried
Speaker 1: to murder her. Okay, this is our swing at one
Speaker 1: of those old school nineties obsession suspense thrillers. All right,
Speaker 1: that's what we try to do in this episode. So
Speaker 1: when you're listening to that episode, guys, be thinking about
Speaker 1: is the b York story the wildest story of obsession
Speaker 1: and deranged fandom in music history. It's pretty fucking deranged,
Speaker 1: as you shall hear. But if it's not the most arranged,
Speaker 1: or if it is, either way, I want to hear
Speaker 1: your thoughts on it. Six poet seven nine or six
Speaker 1: six sixty three eight, voicemail and text with your answers,
Speaker 1: and you might hear yourself on next week's after party.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna take a quick break and drink
Speaker 1: some tea, gonna give my voice arrest. I'll be back
Speaker 1: in a flash though, with your calls text and DMS
Speaker 1: on last week's question of the week of the most
Speaker 1: subversive artists of the nineteen nineties. Background after this, all right, guys,
Speaker 1: we are back, And as I say every week, you
Speaker 1: know where I'm Adam in the phone booth, it's the
Speaker 1: one across the hall. I am hanging on the telephone
Speaker 1: six one seven nine oh six six six three eight.
Speaker 1: You want to get your voicemails into me? You want
Speaker 1: to get your text into me? Six one seven nine
Speaker 1: oh six six six three eight. Real quick before we
Speaker 1: get into the calls and the text and the emails
Speaker 1: and all that. Please Apple podcast listeners, those of you
Speaker 1: who are new, especially new Apple podcast listeners, make sure
Speaker 1: you have auto downloads turned on for this show for
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Speaker 1: All right, last week we released our episode on the
Speaker 1: Go Gos, and we followed that up on Friday with
Speaker 1: a rewind episode on Madonna. The Go Gos episode prompted
Speaker 1: this conversation of the greatest girl groups of all time,
Speaker 1: and we went through some some lists that we found online,
Speaker 1: and strangely enough, despite having despite being the only group
Speaker 1: of female musicians in the history of the world who
Speaker 1: had a number one album, the Go Gos were left
Speaker 1: off a lot of those lists. And you guys, clearly
Speaker 1: were want to talk about that, and you want to
Speaker 1: talk about some of the greatest girl groups of all time.
Speaker 1: In addition to the Go gos and I want to
Speaker 1: give you guys a little more space here on this subject.
Speaker 1: So let's check out this voicemail from Katie in the
Speaker 1: four to one four.
Speaker 2: Hey, Jake, this is Katie from the four one four. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know it's a nine to one number, but I'm
Speaker 2: a time flint anyway, I'm waits the game for the
Speaker 2: best all female rock bands of all time. But after
Speaker 2: listening to the after party, I am so disappointed that
Speaker 2: Hanny was not even part of the conversation. They were
Speaker 2: self taught musicians and wrote all their own music. There's
Speaker 2: the first all female band to put out a full
Speaker 2: length album on a major label, which.
Speaker 3: Was none other than the Beatles'.
Speaker 2: Label, Apple Records, and they were the first all female
Speaker 2: bands to achieve a top forty hit in nineteen seventy one.
Speaker 2: They were one of David Behi's favored bands, and he
Speaker 2: has said about the un quote they were one of
Speaker 2: the finest fucking rock bands of their time. They were extraordinary.
Speaker 2: They wrote everything they played like motherfuckers was just colossal
Speaker 2: and wonderful, and nobody ever mentions him. They're just as
Speaker 2: important as anybody else who's ever been and ever, it
Speaker 2: just flenn't their time. All that evidence and a Bowie endorsement.
Speaker 2: They absolutely are just top spot on that Greatest of
Speaker 2: All Times list. You definitely got to check.
Speaker 4: Him out later, Katie.
Speaker 1: I this is why I love discos, This is why
Speaker 1: I love the Disgrace Handlis series. I have never ever
Speaker 1: even heard of Fanny. I've never heard of Fanny. Unbelievable.
Speaker 1: I just looked them up while I was listening to
Speaker 1: your call, and I can't wait to listen to him.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Apple Records, so you know it's
Speaker 1: going to be real. David Bowie endorsement and for all
Speaker 1: the reasons you just mentioned, Katie, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Everyone else, get into Fanny, give him a spin, Get
Speaker 1: back to us, Get back to Katie, let us know
Speaker 1: what you think. Six one seven nine oh six sixty
Speaker 1: sixty three eight voicemail and text eight one two calls
Speaker 1: in with the following voicemail.
Speaker 3: Hey Jake, I'm sorry trying this one more time because
Speaker 3: I am awkward on the phone. I just wanted to
Speaker 3: point out the Slits as an all group band that
Speaker 3: contributed a lot to punk rock specifically, and then the
Speaker 3: other person I wanted to point out not an all
Speaker 3: girl group, but as a front woman that hasn't been
Speaker 3: mentioned as polystyrene from the X ray specs. I feel
Speaker 3: like they deserve a mentioned regardless of how awkward I am.
Speaker 3: And yeah, that's it, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Eight one two not awkward at all. Your voicemas are
Speaker 1: always welcome here. Thank you. And I have to admit
Speaker 1: I think we did. I think someone did mention the
Speaker 1: Slits briefly. Maybe it was on social media. It wasn't
Speaker 1: in the after party, but I have to admit I've
Speaker 1: of course heard of the Slits. I'm sure I have
Speaker 1: heard the Slits, but I've never never actively sat down
Speaker 1: and listened to a Slitz album. So callback or textback
Speaker 1: six ones, have a nine oh six six sixty three
Speaker 1: eight and tell me where to start. Give me one
Speaker 1: one song or preferably one record, one album for me
Speaker 1: to start with. For the Slits. Appreciate the wreck and
Speaker 1: the call eight one two, Thank you very much. All right,
Speaker 1: moving on to where are we going here? Let's go
Speaker 1: to Toronto the four to one.
Speaker 4: Six Jake, It is Diana calling from Toronto. I just
Speaker 4: listened to the Marilyn Nanson episode. It was incredible. I
Speaker 4: saw them open for Nine inch Nails in ninety six
Speaker 4: in Toronto. It was incredible. They absolutely blew nine inch
Speaker 4: nails out of the water and nine to nails through
Speaker 4: an amazing show that night. Yeah, they they were great,
Speaker 4: and you know, it takes a bunch of madness to
Speaker 4: create art that good. But my interest in that artist
Speaker 4: begins and ends with how they treat people consentually. Anyway,
Speaker 4: you mentioned Al Jorgenson in that episode, Uncle Al. I
Speaker 4: would love to hear an episode on Al Jorgenson. Such
Speaker 4: an interesting person. And uh yeah, thanks so much.
Speaker 1: Have a great day, Diana, preciate you a great call.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Al Jorgensen from Ministry is definitely
Speaker 1: on our list. He has been for a long, long,
Speaker 1: long while. I know there are exillion stories out there,
Speaker 1: but I'm interested in the sort of depravity and the crime,
Speaker 1: assuming there's some true crime to Al's pass. But I'm
Speaker 1: also just interested in that scene, that industrial scene, and
Speaker 1: digging more into it. There's it's just so rich and
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of vivid details I'm sure
Speaker 1: that spring from that research. So pumped to get into
Speaker 1: Uncle Al. As you say, thanks to the call, Diana
Speaker 1: up there in Toronto six one seven, nine oh six
Speaker 1: sixty six three eight. You guys want to call me
Speaker 1: a voicemail, send me a text nine three seven texts
Speaker 1: in Hey must say it was genius that the tune
Speaker 1: used from the melotron for the Marilyn Manson episode was
Speaker 1: Winnie Cooper Broke My Heart. The Wonder Years ty in
Speaker 1: did not go unnoticed. Rock a rolla bill from the
Speaker 1: nine three seven Bill from the nine three seven. I
Speaker 1: gotta say, back when I was I was a little
Speaker 1: kid myself, Sean Hastings up on Birded Hill, we were
Speaker 1: crushing hard on Winnie Cooper. So obviously the Paul from
Speaker 1: Winnie Cooper rumor gave us this in I've mentioned Winnie
Speaker 1: Cooper prior in episodes in the show. I don't know where,
Speaker 1: back in the past somewhere. If someone hears it right
Speaker 1: back in, let me know. Six seven eight rights in, Hey, Jake,
Speaker 1: I think you should do a hair metal episode on
Speaker 1: whoever you dislike the most? But seriously, I think most
Speaker 1: influential of their generation is George Michael John Jony from
Speaker 1: the six seven eight Jony, thank you so much. Yikes,
Speaker 1: who who do I dislike the most? From the hair
Speaker 1: metal scene. That's tough. That's tough. It would probably be
Speaker 1: whoever is sort of the most, whoever has the most
Speaker 1: lack of humor about themselves. You know what I liked
Speaker 1: about Poison Brett Michael's aside. I liked that CC, even
Speaker 1: though I hated the band, I liked that C. C.
Speaker 1: Deville was in on the joke. You know, he kind
Speaker 1: of had this attitude like I just I just want
Speaker 1: to play guitar, man, I don't know why got me
Speaker 1: dressed like a fucking cue tip, you know, like he's
Speaker 1: got the white hair, the white sneakers. I think that
Speaker 1: dude was genuinely I could be wrong, but I think
Speaker 1: he was genuinely like into New York Dolls, into Johnny Thunders,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of what he wanted to be. But
Speaker 1: he ended up in that band. And I love that
Speaker 1: sense of humor, being able to laugh at yourself about
Speaker 1: the ridiculousness of yourself and your music. And I mean
Speaker 1: that goes for the great rock and roll bands. All
Speaker 1: of them are ridiculous. Some love. I mean, it's a
Speaker 1: fucking rock and roll I mean, after spinal Tap, you know,
Speaker 1: the veil was lifted. We know what's happening, so I
Speaker 1: don't know. To Jony's point here, if there are any
Speaker 1: hair metal bands that just are not in on the
Speaker 1: joke that took themselves very seriously, hit me up, let
Speaker 1: me know. Maybe I'll dig into that. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't like being overly negative, but it is an
Speaker 1: interesting angle. Jewels from the four two five up in Seattle, texting, Hey,
Speaker 1: I grew up in LA and your show about the
Speaker 1: Go Gos takes me back. I was hunk back then
Speaker 1: and too young for clubs, but a friend of mine
Speaker 1: knew the doorman at the Whiskey got to see the
Speaker 1: police when Sting was still chubby and they were all
Speaker 1: sunburned as hell. I don't recall, but I think that
Speaker 1: night at the Mask my friend got into a fight
Speaker 1: with the singer from the Dickies. Good times, love your shows,
Speaker 1: love the personal recollection here, Jules appreciate you six one
Speaker 1: seven nine six six six three eight you want to
Speaker 1: hit me up? Six one seven texts and hey, there's
Speaker 1: no way we didn't cross paths in the pit or
Speaker 1: at Pizzeria Regina or Newberry Comics are all three Back
Speaker 1: in the day in Harvard Square I was neither a
Speaker 1: punk or a metal head so much as a hard
Speaker 1: rocker who was friends with both. That's kind of like
Speaker 1: what I was, really, I mean, yeah, really. It goes
Speaker 1: on to say the most memorable night was his metal
Speaker 1: head with crazy long red hair named Kyle, who was
Speaker 1: first to get his hands on nineteen eighty seven's Garage
Speaker 1: Days re Revisited before anyone else, and he unwrapped the cassette,
Speaker 1: threw it in his boombox, and we all listened to
Speaker 1: it for the first time that night, and we were
Speaker 1: blown away. I can remember that I wasn't there, but
Speaker 1: I had my own exact experience with Garage Days. I
Speaker 1: remember it was coming. We were all waiting for it
Speaker 1: down at City Hall Music on High Street in Clinton,
Speaker 1: mass and I think they had the poster up before
Speaker 1: the album was even available at the store, and we
Speaker 1: were just salivating. Wanted to hear the first taste of
Speaker 1: Metallica without Cliff Burton, of course, Jason Newstead. What a great, great,
Speaker 1: great piece of music. Garage Days eighty seven. Damn, that
Speaker 1: was a long time ago. Six one seven nine oh
Speaker 1: six six six three eight. You guys want to hit
Speaker 1: me up on voicemail or text on anything. That's how
Speaker 1: you do it. Gonna want to hear next week your
Speaker 1: answers to the question of the week regarding B York
Speaker 1: in our B York episode which is coming up, and
Speaker 1: that's going to be, of course, is the B York Story,
Speaker 1: the emblematic story of the most obsessed fan in music history,
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. Fans, if you're listening, you might have something
Speaker 1: to say about this, But check out that Buyork episode.
Speaker 1: Get at me, let me know six one seven nine
Speaker 1: oh six six six three eight on the voicemail in
Speaker 1: the text machine. You can also DM me at disgracelam
Speaker 1: pod active on Instagram, active on x active on Facebook
Speaker 1: as well, if that is your chosen form of communication.
Speaker 1: I am here for Justin g on Facebook right saying, hey,
Speaker 1: poor old Fatty always getting the bum wrap. Justin's talking
Speaker 1: about our Hollywood Land episode today on Fatty Arabuckle. I'll
Speaker 1: talk about that a little bit later in the episode.
Speaker 1: Christopher Labella right, say hey, Jake, where's Van Halen? Part three?
Speaker 1: I can't find it? Go Gos were great. Took me
Speaker 1: right back to nineteen eighty two eighty four when I
Speaker 1: was eight to ten years old watching him on MTV. Christopher,
Speaker 1: there is no part three on van Halen. I think
Speaker 1: we said all there needs to be said about van Halim.
Speaker 1: But Christopher, if you disagree, write us back and let
Speaker 1: us know. Guys at Disgrace lamp Pod on Facebook, on Instagram,
Speaker 1: you want to hit me up, let me know anything
Speaker 1: that's on your mind. I'm around. I'm here for you.
Speaker 1: I'm here for you every single week. You know that.
Speaker 1: I don't let you down, unlike some certain sports teams
Speaker 1: I can name, but I'm not gonna do that. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to do that in the sports. In the
Speaker 1: thirty second sports rant, Matt, give me a little ticking clock.
Speaker 1: I know you can do it. Give it to me,
Speaker 1: give it to me, given me. I'm just gonna say,
Speaker 1: right now, the fucking Red Sox, the fuck with the
Speaker 1: Red Sox. Okay, this has been building. You heard it
Speaker 1: last week. It's it's at a point where I'm almost
Speaker 1: fully bailed on the season. And again it's the beginning
Speaker 1: of June. Okay, I bought my son a Mets hat
Speaker 1: the other day. I know Jan Soto's in a slump.
Speaker 1: I don't care. I need something to root for. In
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball, and these Red Sox are beyond a disappointment. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's it. That's it. That's the sports rant. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: keep it light this week. I don't want to be cynical.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be negative, but they are forcing me.
Speaker 1: They are backing me into a fucking quarter. I'll be
Speaker 1: back after this with the Hollywood ab minute. All right,
Speaker 1: we are back. Thank you very much for sticking around
Speaker 1: with us. Hey, quick shout out to Disco Laney. Laney's
Speaker 1: a long time listener Disgrace Land. She's in our Patreon
Speaker 1: chat and she let us know she had a proud
Speaker 1: mom moment. Let us know that her son, Brandon, congrats Brandon.
Speaker 1: Brandon is starring in their town's production of The Million
Speaker 1: Dollar Quartet, and Brandon is playing Johnny Cash. And I
Speaker 1: just think that is Brandon's going to be a real
Speaker 1: cool motherfucker to play Johnny Cash. So congratulations Brandon as
Speaker 1: Johnny Cash. She said to Bob Dylan before we took
Speaker 1: the stage, I say to you, go track some mud
Speaker 1: on the carpet, all right. I mentioned Patreon. Patreon is
Speaker 1: where all Access members come to chop it up with me.
Speaker 1: And get a little more conversation going. In addition to
Speaker 1: that conversation, All Access Disgraceland. All Access members also get
Speaker 1: ad free listening of Disgraceland and and hollywood Land. All right,
Speaker 1: we just added that feature this week. Plus, All Access
Speaker 1: members get one extra exclusive episode of Disgraceland per month.
Speaker 1: Our last one was on David Crosby. Not sure who
Speaker 1: are the one is on this month? I should know.
Speaker 1: I should be able to tell you that, Matt maybe
Speaker 1: chime in here. Yeah.
Speaker 5: The next episode is on Shannon Hoon, the lead singer
Speaker 5: for nineties band Blind Melon.
Speaker 1: Okay, more on hollywood Land listen exciting news. All right.
Speaker 1: First of all, for those of you who are like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck is hollywood Land? Who is this guy?
Speaker 1: Sorry he's talking about Disgraceland. I was talking about Hollywoodland.
Speaker 1: For those of you who are new here, hollywood Land
Speaker 1: is the other podcast that I host, which is basically
Speaker 1: just like Disgraceland, but instead of music and true crime,
Speaker 1: it's Hollywood actors, actresses, directors, et cetera, and their true
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Speaker 1: that week's subject. We're getting into our recommendations over there,
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Speaker 5: This part of the Rap Party is all about recommendations
Speaker 5: music and movie recommendations, but they are recommendations inspired by
Speaker 5: the actor or actress or director whoever we're covering this
Speaker 5: week in our full episode of Hollywood Land, So Fatty
Speaker 5: Arbuckle being this week's subject and looking ahead to next
Speaker 5: week's subject, John Belushi, We've got big dudes on the brain.
Speaker 5: So to that end, Jake, I need some big dude music, Rex,
Speaker 5: what do you got?
Speaker 1: John Belushi made me think about Blues Brothers, made me
Speaker 1: think about John Lee Hooker, made me think about this
Speaker 1: song I'm obsessed with by John Lee Hooker called grinder Man, which, yes,
Speaker 1: which to me is the sound of violence, and you
Speaker 1: wouldn't know so from the lyrics. The lyrics are about
Speaker 1: a baseball player, but it's a double entendre for second,
Speaker 1: and it just sounds so fucking mean. It was recorded
Speaker 1: for the Stacks label, which doesn't make a lot of
Speaker 1: sense for John Lee Hooker, but somehow it all works when.
Speaker 5: It comes to movies. I was thinking about big dudes
Speaker 5: and movies, Big funny dudes and movies, which is obviously
Speaker 5: a long list. John Goodman, who has been in a
Speaker 5: billion movies, I know, But my John Goodman recommendation is
Speaker 5: this movie called Barton Fink from nineteen ninety one, directed
Speaker 5: by Joel and Ethan Cohen, two of the greatest to
Speaker 5: ever do it. Barton Fink is really it's unlike any
Speaker 5: other movie. It's strange, it's horrifying, it's funny, and if
Speaker 5: you're a creative person, if you write, or you paint,
Speaker 5: or you make music or whatever, it will hit you
Speaker 5: hard because it's about this playwright named Barton Fink played
Speaker 5: by John Cicero, who moves from New York to Los
Speaker 5: Angeles in nineteen forty one in order to write scripts
Speaker 5: for Hollywood. So he's basically taking He's going from this brainy,
Speaker 5: aready playwright to being a paid screenwriter in Hollywood to
Speaker 5: write schlock. Right, And then there's this sweaty, intense as
Speaker 5: fuck performance by John Goodman, a guy who who isn't
Speaker 5: what he says he is. And all I gotta say
Speaker 5: is that once you see this, there's this one scene
Speaker 5: with him running down this hallway of a hotel, and
Speaker 5: it's the whole thing is on fire and he's screaming.
Speaker 5: You will never be able to look at Joungleman the
Speaker 5: same way twice.
Speaker 1: All right, I've never seen that. I've never seen Barton fink.
Speaker 1: Any check this out. It's gonna take your recommendation, all right. Guys,
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Speaker 1: You want to send me an email on any subject,
Speaker 1: all right? This email comes from a fellow by the
Speaker 1: name of Ed Trask, subject the Go Gos message. The
Speaker 1: presentation of the Go Gos coming out of a West
Speaker 1: Coast punk rock scene layered in historic drudge and creative
Speaker 1: prowess writing their own songs and landing into pop music
Speaker 1: history was well done. But I love the idea that
Speaker 1: there are plenty of all girl punk rock bands that
Speaker 1: wrote their own songs and in their eyes, succeeded in
Speaker 1: changing and influencing punk and rock bands that I toured
Speaker 1: with or watched and loved. Examples being L seven Bikini Kill, Lunicic,
Speaker 1: Seven Year, Bitch Babes, and Toyland Pussy Riot Bratmobiles Shown
Speaker 1: a Knife, to name a few. These bands obviously never
Speaker 1: had the pop cultural impact and success of the Go Gos,
Speaker 1: but had plenty of stories of grit, will and talent
Speaker 1: which helped them fight to become successful touring bands. The
Speaker 1: question being what actually is success, especially after the Nirvana
Speaker 1: major label feeding frenzy. Were you a successful band because
Speaker 1: you had two records on labels like Discord or Touch
Speaker 1: and Go Or were you a success when you signed
Speaker 1: a major labeled deal? Cheers Ed Trask eighth four Ed,
Speaker 1: the answer to your question is the latter, sorry, the former,
Speaker 1: you were a success. So yeah, if you were a
Speaker 1: Discord Records or Touch and Go and you had a
Speaker 1: couple records out and you were out there torn and
Speaker 1: planting people in different cities who were coming to see
Speaker 1: you and paying tickets to see you beyond your immediate
Speaker 1: region of local fans, I say that's a success. I
Speaker 1: say success is can you can you fill a club,
Speaker 1: a reasonable size club and a bunch of different cities
Speaker 1: outside of your own and sustain yourself as a musician.
Speaker 1: That to me is a success. Now, of course that's
Speaker 1: going to change for the musician as they get older
Speaker 1: and as they try to do different things and they
Speaker 1: have different goals all that stuff. Obviously, I don't think
Speaker 1: you're saying that. I was saying that the Go Gos
Speaker 1: were a success because there were a major label band
Speaker 1: and had a number one record, and that's not what
Speaker 1: I was saying. They were, of course the success. They
Speaker 1: were the biggest success with that number one album. That
Speaker 1: was my point number one success of all girl groups
Speaker 1: with that number one album. The bands you mentioned a
Speaker 1: bunch of them I actually had the opportunity to see
Speaker 1: and play with back in the nineties and they were phenomenal.
Speaker 1: I saw L seven L seven actually Bikini Kill, played
Speaker 1: with the Lunachics a couple times. I think I played
Speaker 1: with seven Year Bitch, Saw Babes and Toyland. Never saw
Speaker 1: Pussy Riot or Brat Mobile, Saw Shown a Knife. Just
Speaker 1: incredible bands, incredible time and history for females in music
Speaker 1: doing it in the punk world in the underground. It
Speaker 1: was I don't know, I don't know if there'll be
Speaker 1: another time like it hard for me to put my
Speaker 1: finger on what made it so special here on the spot,
Speaker 1: but it's something that I want to delve into. You've
Speaker 1: compelled me, Ed Trask and the A to oh four.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the email. Guys. If you haven't heard those
Speaker 1: bands Lunachics, Shown a Knife, seven Year, Bitch, Babes, and Toyland,
Speaker 1: et cetera, go check them out. All right, Guys, you
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Speaker 1: bands of the nineties. And I was thrown a heater
Speaker 1: there I was. I had a lather worked up. I
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Speaker 1: a mention. I should say a couple of the artists
Speaker 1: from our archive who were discussed in this episode, who
Speaker 1: we have episodes on, who you guys can go check
Speaker 1: out and if you're interested in any of these subjects,
Speaker 1: just check the show notes. Matt Boden. We'll have the
Speaker 1: show in episode information there for you so you can
Speaker 1: easily find them in our archive. We talked about Sean
Speaker 1: Diddy Combs, got two episodes on Sean Combs and we
Speaker 1: will have more in the future. We talked about James Brown,
Speaker 1: you know. And again the archive is just stuffed with
Speaker 1: so many artists. Willie Nelson, Cardi b the Beatles, We've
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Speaker 1: all right. In honor of this week's subject, Marilyn Manson,
Speaker 1: this is me reading you the Billboard charts of number
Speaker 1: one songs for the day Manson's album Anti Christ Superstar
Speaker 1: was released, and forever redefine what subversion means for pop music.
Speaker 1: That was on October eighth, nineteen ninety six. Here you go.
Speaker 1: Number one. Macharna Los del Rio last week one, peak
Speaker 1: position one weeks on chart forty three. Number two, I
Speaker 1: Love You Always Forever week Donald Lewis last week peak
Speaker 1: position number two weeks on chart seventeenth week number three,
Speaker 1: It's all coming back to Me Swinging Dion last seven,
Speaker 1: peak position number five weeks on Check number four twisted
Speaker 1: positions of cheat sweating last week, pak position for water
Speaker 1: change for weeks on charms seventeen last number five. We're
Speaker 1: going got five fours Last check Peposi changs quit talking
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