WEBVTT - Bonus Episode - Suffering Souls, Subversion, and More Great Girl Groups 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:04.800 Hey, Discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life, 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:08.039 just to touch, to get you through. Yeah, me too. 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:12.000 This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:30.360 to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:32.720 a little thing we like to call the after party. 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:35.280 This is the show after the show, the party after 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:36.920 the party, the bridge to get you from one full 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:40.479 episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:44.320 into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:48.040 about this week's full episode subject on Marilyn Manson. We 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:51.639 are previewing the coming b York episode, talking about the 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:54.840 worst bands of the nineties, and we go through your voicemails, 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:58.920 text DMS emails and as always, a whole lot of rosie. 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:13.759 All right, Discos, let's get into it. So I'm reading 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:18.200 this great book called Maidens by Alex Mikilitis. I think 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:20.600 that's how you pronounce his name. Apology's Alex if I 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:23.880 got that wrong. It's one of those modern day I 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:26.119 get the Christie type who'd done it. Books that we've 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:28.679 talked about here. Books. I love books. I know a 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:30.880 bunch of you love as well. And last night, I 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:33.319 came across this passage that I thought was super relevant 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.399 to the music in true crime storytelling that we're doing here. 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:38.560 It's short, I'm going to read it to you now. 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:42.640 It says a long time ago, psychopathy used to be 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:47.120 called simply evil. People who were evil, who took delight 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:50.600 in hunting or killing others were written about ever since 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:53.560 Mideia took an axe to her children, and probably long 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:58.720 before that. The word psychopath was coined by a German 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:03.000 psychiatrist in eighteen eighty eight, the same year Jack the 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:08.679 Ripper terrorized London from the German word psycho pastiche, literally 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:13.200 meaning suffering soul. For Marianna, that's the character in the book. 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:16.799 For Mariana, this was the clue, the suffering, the sense 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:20.760 that these monsters were also in pain. Thinking about them 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:24.120 as victims allowed her to be more rational in her 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:30.440 approach and more compassionate. Psychopathy or sadism never appeared from nowhere. 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:33.600 It was not a virus infecting someone out of the blue. 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:37.320 It had a long prehistory in childhood. And that's the 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:39.760 end of the passage. So basically, what that quote is 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:42.880 telling us, and what medical history is telling us, is 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:48.520 that psychopaths are not born, They're baked in childhood from 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:53.079 the suffering that these people experience from their own past trauma. Now, 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:55.680 in almost every episode that we've covered here where we 0:02:55.840 --> 0:03:00.400 dive into a musician's past, particularly the more psychotic musicians, 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:05.000 the ones who have allegedly killed like Jerry V. Lewis, 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:12.360 those who are sexually abusive, megalomaniacs like Diddy, the psychotically 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:16.840 ambitious like Madonna, the violently drug crazed like James Brown, 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:20.839 and every one of those cases we find in our 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:24.360 research suffering. As the quote that I just read to 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:29.760 you says, Now, as always, I'm not excusing these quote 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:33.760 unquote suffering souls. I'm simply trying to understand them. And 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:37.240 like I've always said, what made James Brown carry a 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:43.200 shotgun across cross country police chase and violently abuse women 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:47.920 while fueled on crazy amounts of drugs? Okay, what made 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:50.800 him do that is the same thing that made one 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:53.680 of the greatest musicians in the history of the world. 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:56.640 The fact that he was raised in a whorehouse and 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:59.480 disciplined as a young boy by being held upside down 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:02.200 in a burl bag and beaten with a wooden Stick. 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:06.200 Without that trauma, you don't get the drive to become 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:08.640 the hardest working man in show business, and you don't 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:13.560 get that artistry, and you don't get the psychotic behavior either. 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.800 Same goes for the rest of the musicians that I mentioned. Now, 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:19.440 for those of you who are new to Disgrace ND 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.480 this week, again, we're not trying to excuse the behavior 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:25.400 of these musicians. We're just trying to understand it. So 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:29.320 to this week's episode subject, Marilyn Manson, that quote that 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:32.720 I read you says that before they had the word psychopath, 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:37.840 they just called those who willingly hurt others evil. The 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:41.880 introduction of the word introduced the concept of suffering and 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:47.360 thus the possibility, I guess, of further understanding. We all 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:51.520 understand evil. It's black and white. Psychopathy is a little 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:54.360 more gray, a little more complicated. Now, do I think 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:58.320 Ditty is a psychopath? Yes? Do I let Ditty off 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:01.440 the hook for what he's done? No? Do I understand 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:04.520 why he did it? Yeah? I kind of do. As 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:07.040 you can tell from the two full Sean Combs episodes 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:10.600 that we've released, particularly Part two that dels into his 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.440 history and the murder of his father, by a notorious 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:19.080 Harlem gangster. That trauma, that suffering. It not only allows 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:21.640 us to understand what these artists have done, but it 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:25.000 also in some cases, not in all, but in some cases, 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:30.440 drives the artists to contrition, to empathy. But what about 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:35.400 this week's subject, Marilyn Manson. Was his behavior that we 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:40.760 detailed in this episode psychotic? Yes, was there past suffering 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:46.200 in his life trauma debatable? Now. I was struck when 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:50.280 reading Marilyn Manson's autobiography by the fact that there's nearly 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:56.440 zero examples of the artist's humanity quite the opposite. In 0:05:56.680 --> 0:06:00.159 humanity is one of the goals of the artists. In 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:04.800 the one time that the artist that Marilyn Manson bends 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:09.320 toward humanity, it's for completely selfish reasons, if we're to 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:14.159 believe him, because he believes that being humane will help 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:19.280 him with his art. So what does that make Marilyn Manson, Well, 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:23.320 it makes him unique amongst all the subjects that we've covered. 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:29.000 But does his lack of humanity, his striving for inhumanity, 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:33.160 not only make him a psychopath but instead make him evil? 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:37.800 Truly evil? I don't know the answer to that, but 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:40.000 I hope the answer is no, I'm always rooting for 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:43.520 the comeback, just like Don Kove and a certain Jewish carpenter, 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:46.039 I've always rooting for mercy. Part of what I think 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:48.080 is going on here with Marilyn Manson is I think, 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:50.120 you know, in his autobiography, I think he's a bit 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:54.360 of an unreliable narrator. He's trying, no, I I was 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:57.400 about to say desperately, but not desperately. He's trying in 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:00.600 the autobiography to paint a picture of a different type 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:03.120 of artists, and he does a damn good job in 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:05.800 doing that. Now, what we think of that artist is 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:08.960 a completely different story. There's been a ton of hate 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:12.880 and anger directed to Marilyn Manson in our social posts 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:14.800 this week, and I get it. I get the anger. 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:18.480 But one poster commented that Marilyn Manson aka Brian Warner 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:24.200 has cleaned himself up. In my research, I've come across 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:28.600 next to no examples of empathy from Marilyn Manson. I 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:32.840 hope it exists. I hope it's there. If anyone's a fan, 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:34.960 hit me up, let me know, let me know what 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:37.960 I don't know, Okay, If Brian Warner has had some 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.840 sort of redemption beyond getting just back on the road 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:44.440 and filling stadiums and getting his career going again. If 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:49.040 he's changed in any demonstrably humane ways, I want to know, 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:51.240 so hit me up six point seven nine oh six 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:53.840 six sixty three eight on voicemail and text, or at 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:56.560 Disgrace lampod on the socials. We'll keep the Marilyn Manson 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:00.160 conversation at a low hum. We'll keep that going and 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:02.800 figure this out, try and get more into it, because 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:05.360 you know, love him or hate him, you just can't 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:09.520 get around the fact that he's a fascinating individual. All right, 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:14.480 speaking of fascinating individuals like yourselves. This week, for those 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:16.600 of you who are new here, let me break it 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:18.000 down for you. Okay, let me break it down for 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:20.960 you what we do here, all right. On Tuesdays, we 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:24.760 release a new full scripted, sound designed episode of Disgraceland, 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:26.680 our bread and Butter, so to speak, like we just 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:30.000 did this past Tuesday with Marilyn Manson. On Thursdays, we 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:32.720 release these after party bonus episodes where we discussed the 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:35.760 full episode and where I take your calls and texts 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:39.800 relative to the full episodes. Question of the week, which 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:42.079 gets asked the week prior, and at the end of 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:45.679 the full episodes, on Fridays, we dip into our archive 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:48.679 of over two hundred and thirty five full episodes and 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:52.680 relaunch a previously released episode. Okay, it's like when that 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:54.720 TV show that you used to watch back in the 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:57.960 day would air or rerun. Okay. We call these rewind episodes, 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:00.600 and we do this because we have so many days episodes, 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.320 all right. It helps expose new listeners to some of 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:06.720 our past hits. Occasionally, those rewind episodes that we release 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:09.679 on Fridays are part of a multi episode story, and 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:12.040 in that case we release both parts one and two 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:15.040 over the weekend, which is what we're doing this Friday 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.880 and this Saturday with our rewind episodes on The Rolling 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:21.400 Stones at Altamont and The Rolling Stones in Exile. These 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:23.720 are two of my favorite episodes on one of my 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:26.000 favorite bands of all time, and I cannot wait for 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:28.280 you guys to hear them if you have not already. 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:30.400 If you have, I can't wait for you to re 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:34.240 listen and get your deeper insight when we talk again 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:38.560 next week. Now, Next week on Tuesday is our new episode. 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:42.720 Our next new episode on b York and the truly 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:47.200 psychotic man, not a musician, truly psychotic man who tried 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:50.679 to murder her. Okay, this is our swing at one 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:54.559 of those old school nineties obsession suspense thrillers. All right, 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:56.599 that's what we try to do in this episode. So 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:59.559 when you're listening to that episode, guys, be thinking about 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:04.640 is the b York story the wildest story of obsession 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:09.320 and deranged fandom in music history. It's pretty fucking deranged, 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:12.760 as you shall hear. But if it's not the most arranged, 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:15.040 or if it is, either way, I want to hear 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:16.679 your thoughts on it. Six poet seven nine or six 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:19.600 six sixty three eight, voicemail and text with your answers, 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:21.760 and you might hear yourself on next week's after party. 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:24.240 All right, I'm gonna take a quick break and drink 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:26.720 some tea, gonna give my voice arrest. I'll be back 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:29.960 in a flash though, with your calls text and DMS 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:32.200 on last week's question of the week of the most 0:10:32.320 --> 0:11:00.880 subversive artists of the nineteen nineties. Background after this, all right, guys, 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:03.000 we are back, And as I say every week, you 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:04.760 know where I'm Adam in the phone booth, it's the 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:07.319 one across the hall. I am hanging on the telephone 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:10.000 six one seven nine oh six six six three eight. 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:11.760 You want to get your voicemails into me? You want 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:13.719 to get your text into me? Six one seven nine 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:16.240 oh six six six three eight. Real quick before we 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:19.120 get into the calls and the text and the emails 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:23.120 and all that. Please Apple podcast listeners, those of you 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:26.560 who are new, especially new Apple podcast listeners, make sure 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:29.240 you have auto downloads turned on for this show for 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:31.280 disgrace and that way you don't miss an episode ever. 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:35.480 All right, last week we released our episode on the 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:39.280 Go Gos, and we followed that up on Friday with 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:44.200 a rewind episode on Madonna. The Go Gos episode prompted 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:47.959 this conversation of the greatest girl groups of all time, 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:51.280 and we went through some some lists that we found online, 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:55.199 and strangely enough, despite having despite being the only group 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:58.320 of female musicians in the history of the world who 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:01.240 had a number one album, the Go Gos were left 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:04.679 off a lot of those lists. And you guys, clearly 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:07.199 were want to talk about that, and you want to 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.920 talk about some of the greatest girl groups of all time. 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:12.120 In addition to the Go gos and I want to 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:14.280 give you guys a little more space here on this subject. 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:17.200 So let's check out this voicemail from Katie in the 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:17.920 four to one four. 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:21.040 Hey, Jake, this is Katie from the four one four. Yeah, 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:22.640 I know it's a nine to one number, but I'm 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:25.280 a time flint anyway, I'm waits the game for the 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:28.559 best all female rock bands of all time. But after 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.920 listening to the after party, I am so disappointed that 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:34.720 Hanny was not even part of the conversation. They were 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:37.360 self taught musicians and wrote all their own music. There's 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:39.120 the first all female band to put out a full 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:41.200 length album on a major label, which. 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:42.719 Was none other than the Beatles'. 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:45.480 Label, Apple Records, and they were the first all female 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:48.439 bands to achieve a top forty hit in nineteen seventy one. 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:51.839 They were one of David Behi's favored bands, and he 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:53.520 has said about the un quote they were one of 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:57.120 the finest fucking rock bands of their time. They were extraordinary. 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:00.880 They wrote everything they played like motherfuckers was just colossal 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:04.040 and wonderful, and nobody ever mentions him. They're just as 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.760 important as anybody else who's ever been and ever, it 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:10.520 just flenn't their time. All that evidence and a Bowie endorsement. 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:13.720 They absolutely are just top spot on that Greatest of 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:16.160 All Times list. You definitely got to check. 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:18.840 Him out later, Katie. 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:23.079 I this is why I love discos, This is why 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:26.280 I love the Disgrace Handlis series. I have never ever 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:31.040 even heard of Fanny. I've never heard of Fanny. Unbelievable. 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:33.560 I just looked them up while I was listening to 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:35.840 your call, and I can't wait to listen to him. 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:39.360 Thank you so much, Apple Records, so you know it's 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:42.240 going to be real. David Bowie endorsement and for all 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:44.719 the reasons you just mentioned, Katie, thank you so much. 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:47.040 Everyone else, get into Fanny, give him a spin, Get 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:48.679 back to us, Get back to Katie, let us know 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:50.680 what you think. Six one seven nine oh six sixty 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:53.920 sixty three eight voicemail and text eight one two calls 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:55.760 in with the following voicemail. 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.520 Hey Jake, I'm sorry trying this one more time because 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:05.120 I am awkward on the phone. I just wanted to 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:09.560 point out the Slits as an all group band that 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:15.880 contributed a lot to punk rock specifically, and then the 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:18.480 other person I wanted to point out not an all 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:22.520 girl group, but as a front woman that hasn't been 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:27.360 mentioned as polystyrene from the X ray specs. I feel 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:32.280 like they deserve a mentioned regardless of how awkward I am. 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:36.800 And yeah, that's it, Thank you so much. 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:40.760 Eight one two not awkward at all. Your voicemas are 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:42.920 always welcome here. Thank you. And I have to admit 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:45.360 I think we did. I think someone did mention the 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:47.600 Slits briefly. Maybe it was on social media. It wasn't 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:51.200 in the after party, but I have to admit I've 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.200 of course heard of the Slits. I'm sure I have 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:56.560 heard the Slits, but I've never never actively sat down 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:59.560 and listened to a Slitz album. So callback or textback 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:01.320 six ones, have a nine oh six six sixty three 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:03.280 eight and tell me where to start. Give me one 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:07.560 one song or preferably one record, one album for me 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:10.000 to start with. For the Slits. Appreciate the wreck and 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:12.600 the call eight one two, Thank you very much. All right, 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:15.600 moving on to where are we going here? Let's go 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:18.680 to Toronto the four to one. 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:22.560 Six Jake, It is Diana calling from Toronto. I just 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:26.320 listened to the Marilyn Nanson episode. It was incredible. I 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:28.480 saw them open for Nine inch Nails in ninety six 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:31.440 in Toronto. It was incredible. They absolutely blew nine inch 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:33.760 nails out of the water and nine to nails through 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:37.200 an amazing show that night. Yeah, they they were great, 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:40.120 and you know, it takes a bunch of madness to 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:43.440 create art that good. But my interest in that artist 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:46.920 begins and ends with how they treat people consentually. Anyway, 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:51.040 you mentioned Al Jorgenson in that episode, Uncle Al. I 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:54.720 would love to hear an episode on Al Jorgenson. Such 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:57.800 an interesting person. And uh yeah, thanks so much. 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:01.000 Have a great day, Diana, preciate you a great call. 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:03.640 Thank you so much. Al Jorgensen from Ministry is definitely 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:05.440 on our list. He has been for a long, long, 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:08.880 long while. I know there are exillion stories out there, 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:11.960 but I'm interested in the sort of depravity and the crime, 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:16.120 assuming there's some true crime to Al's pass. But I'm 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:19.480 also just interested in that scene, that industrial scene, and 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:23.520 digging more into it. There's it's just so rich and 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:25.680 there's gonna be a lot of vivid details I'm sure 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:28.880 that spring from that research. So pumped to get into 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:32.200 Uncle Al. As you say, thanks to the call, Diana 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:35.200 up there in Toronto six one seven, nine oh six 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:36.880 sixty six three eight. You guys want to call me 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:39.760 a voicemail, send me a text nine three seven texts 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:42.760 in Hey must say it was genius that the tune 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:46.080 used from the melotron for the Marilyn Manson episode was 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:49.080 Winnie Cooper Broke My Heart. The Wonder Years ty in 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:52.960 did not go unnoticed. Rock a rolla bill from the 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:55.400 nine three seven Bill from the nine three seven. I 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:58.600 gotta say, back when I was I was a little 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:02.680 kid myself, Sean Hastings up on Birded Hill, we were 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:06.160 crushing hard on Winnie Cooper. So obviously the Paul from 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:09.520 Winnie Cooper rumor gave us this in I've mentioned Winnie 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:13.479 Cooper prior in episodes in the show. I don't know where, 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:16.200 back in the past somewhere. If someone hears it right 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:19.000 back in, let me know. Six seven eight rights in, Hey, Jake, 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:20.879 I think you should do a hair metal episode on 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:26.080 whoever you dislike the most? But seriously, I think most 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:29.639 influential of their generation is George Michael John Jony from 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:32.960 the six seven eight Jony, thank you so much. Yikes, 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:36.120 who who do I dislike the most? From the hair 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:41.119 metal scene. That's tough. That's tough. It would probably be 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:44.640 whoever is sort of the most, whoever has the most 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:47.520 lack of humor about themselves. You know what I liked 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:50.840 about Poison Brett Michael's aside. I liked that CC, even 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:52.920 though I hated the band, I liked that C. C. 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:56.280 Deville was in on the joke. You know, he kind 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:58.560 of had this attitude like I just I just want 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:00.280 to play guitar, man, I don't know why got me 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:02.720 dressed like a fucking cue tip, you know, like he's 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:05.639 got the white hair, the white sneakers. I think that 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:07.720 dude was genuinely I could be wrong, but I think 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:11.080 he was genuinely like into New York Dolls, into Johnny Thunders, 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:12.679 and that's kind of what he wanted to be. But 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:15.840 he ended up in that band. And I love that 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:19.760 sense of humor, being able to laugh at yourself about 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:23.200 the ridiculousness of yourself and your music. And I mean 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:25.800 that goes for the great rock and roll bands. All 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:27.840 of them are ridiculous. Some love. I mean, it's a 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:30.239 fucking rock and roll I mean, after spinal Tap, you know, 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:34.359 the veil was lifted. We know what's happening, so I 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:40.200 don't know. To Jony's point here, if there are any 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:42.280 hair metal bands that just are not in on the 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:46.520 joke that took themselves very seriously, hit me up, let 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:48.359 me know. Maybe I'll dig into that. I don't know. 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:50.960 I don't like being overly negative, but it is an 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:55.880 interesting angle. Jewels from the four two five up in Seattle, texting, Hey, 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:58.240 I grew up in LA and your show about the 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:00.760 Go Gos takes me back. I was hunk back then 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:03.399 and too young for clubs, but a friend of mine 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:05.680 knew the doorman at the Whiskey got to see the 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:09.200 police when Sting was still chubby and they were all 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:11.959 sunburned as hell. I don't recall, but I think that 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:14.560 night at the Mask my friend got into a fight 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:17.880 with the singer from the Dickies. Good times, love your shows, 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:22.360 love the personal recollection here, Jules appreciate you six one 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:26.320 seven nine six six six three eight you want to 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:29.320 hit me up? Six one seven texts and hey, there's 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:31.720 no way we didn't cross paths in the pit or 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:35.800 at Pizzeria Regina or Newberry Comics are all three Back 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:38.479 in the day in Harvard Square I was neither a 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:41.080 punk or a metal head so much as a hard 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:43.240 rocker who was friends with both. That's kind of like 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:46.760 what I was, really, I mean, yeah, really. It goes 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:48.560 on to say the most memorable night was his metal 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:51.480 head with crazy long red hair named Kyle, who was 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:54.320 first to get his hands on nineteen eighty seven's Garage 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:58.520 Days re Revisited before anyone else, and he unwrapped the cassette, 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:01.239 threw it in his boombox, and we all listened to 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:03.560 it for the first time that night, and we were 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:06.280 blown away. I can remember that I wasn't there, but 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:12.040 I had my own exact experience with Garage Days. I 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:14.719 remember it was coming. We were all waiting for it 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:17.520 down at City Hall Music on High Street in Clinton, 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:20.840 mass and I think they had the poster up before 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:24.320 the album was even available at the store, and we 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:28.679 were just salivating. Wanted to hear the first taste of 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:33.440 Metallica without Cliff Burton, of course, Jason Newstead. What a great, great, 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:37.600 great piece of music. Garage Days eighty seven. Damn, that 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:40.399 was a long time ago. Six one seven nine oh 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:41.960 six six six three eight. You guys want to hit 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:44.920 me up on voicemail or text on anything. That's how 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:47.240 you do it. Gonna want to hear next week your 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:50.280 answers to the question of the week regarding B York 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:53.040 in our B York episode which is coming up, and 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:55.960 that's going to be, of course, is the B York Story, 0:20:56.359 --> 0:21:01.040 the emblematic story of the most obsessed fan in music history, 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:03.520 Taylor Swift. Fans, if you're listening, you might have something 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:06.560 to say about this, But check out that Buyork episode. 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:09.320 Get at me, let me know six one seven nine 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:11.480 oh six six six three eight on the voicemail in 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:15.160 the text machine. You can also DM me at disgracelam 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:20.520 pod active on Instagram, active on x active on Facebook 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:23.960 as well, if that is your chosen form of communication. 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:27.320 I am here for Justin g on Facebook right saying, hey, 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:32.520 poor old Fatty always getting the bum wrap. Justin's talking 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:36.240 about our Hollywood Land episode today on Fatty Arabuckle. I'll 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:38.440 talk about that a little bit later in the episode. 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:42.359 Christopher Labella right, say hey, Jake, where's Van Halen? Part three? 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:44.760 I can't find it? Go Gos were great. Took me 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:46.879 right back to nineteen eighty two eighty four when I 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:50.679 was eight to ten years old watching him on MTV. Christopher, 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:53.160 there is no part three on van Halen. I think 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:55.280 we said all there needs to be said about van Halim. 0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:57.560 But Christopher, if you disagree, write us back and let 0:21:57.640 --> 0:22:01.240 us know. Guys at Disgrace lamp Pod on Facebook, on Instagram, 0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:02.840 you want to hit me up, let me know anything 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:05.520 that's on your mind. I'm around. I'm here for you. 0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:08.000 I'm here for you every single week. You know that. 0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:10.680 I don't let you down, unlike some certain sports teams 0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:12.480 I can name, but I'm not gonna do that. I'm 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:14.760 not going to do that in the sports. In the 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:17.440 thirty second sports rant, Matt, give me a little ticking clock. 0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:18.560 I know you can do it. Give it to me, 0:22:18.600 --> 0:22:20.040 give it to me, given me. I'm just gonna say, 0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:23.080 right now, the fucking Red Sox, the fuck with the 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:25.639 Red Sox. Okay, this has been building. You heard it 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:29.960 last week. It's it's at a point where I'm almost 0:22:30.280 --> 0:22:34.080 fully bailed on the season. And again it's the beginning 0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:37.200