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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff.

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Speaker 2: You're a weekly reminder that this is the podcast, and

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Speaker 2: it happens twice a week, which is why it's your

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Speaker 2: weekly from whatever. Anyway, this is a rewind episode. It's

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Speaker 2: about the Luddites. Here.

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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Cool People Did Cool Stuff? Your podcast,

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Speaker 2: it's yours. You belongs to you because it's part of

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Speaker 2: the commons. You see what I did there. If you

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Speaker 2: didn't listen to part one, you have no idea what

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about. But you might know my guest Robert Evans.

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Speaker 3: That's Ryan the Bastards. Yes, and I legally own all podcasts. Actually,

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Speaker 3: I came up with the idea. Before me, no one

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Speaker 3: had ever had the idea to steal the human voice

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: I invented that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the first wax cylinder or Robert Evan special.

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Speaker 3: That's right, That's right, it's audio Pizza Hut.

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Speaker 2: Our producer is Sophie.

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Speaker 1: Every I think Robert says is a lie. Everything Margaret

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Speaker 1: says is the truth.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 2: You know, market guards.

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Speaker 3: If podcasting ever doesn't work out, you and I could

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Speaker 3: get get a gig doing that guardding some rich guys.

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Speaker 2: Dungeon, I look good in the suit, a full plate

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Speaker 2: like every now and then the Internet figures out that

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Speaker 2: some Victorian rich people had had like hermits that they

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Speaker 2: hired to like little property. The new one should be

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Speaker 2: the the Ominous Guards, the arminiust.

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Speaker 3: Guards, one of whom tells only lies and the other

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Speaker 3: speaks the truth.

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Speaker 2: And honestly guarding our legal liability by cutting out when

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Speaker 2: we say things we shouldn't. Is our audio engineer, Daniel Hi, Daniel, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: All Robert fucking say it?

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Speaker 3: Hi, Daniel, Okay good?

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Speaker 2: And our theme musical was written for us by un women.

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Speaker 2: And this is part two and a two parter about

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Speaker 2: the Luddites. And I wonder if there's people who actually

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Speaker 2: only listened apart two of mine because they know the

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Speaker 2: first part is context. But you're gonna miss so much

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Speaker 2: and you won't understand why it's cool if you don't

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Speaker 2: go back and listen to part one. There's poetry and fire.

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Speaker 2: So the Luddites. I mentioned that there was a war

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Speaker 2: going on in Europe, the Napoleonic Wars, and this was

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Speaker 2: fucking up industry and the economy and food and all

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Speaker 2: of that shit. It didn't help that you also get

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Speaker 2: there's a fucking comet in the sky and everyone you

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Speaker 2: know is dying in Europe fighting a Napoleon, and trade

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Speaker 2: embargoes are cutting off entire markets for tech style exports,

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Speaker 2: which is ten percent of what the British people do

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Speaker 2: for work. Food prices are rising dramatically. People are living

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Speaker 2: and all of these fucking factories are suddenly popping up everywhere,

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Speaker 2: and trade unionism is outlawed, and we do and don't

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Speaker 2: know a lot about the Luddites. There are endless well

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Speaker 2: vow of secrecy really seriously. A lot of what we

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Speaker 2: the end of their lives. And it's like the eighteen

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Speaker 2: fucking talk about that shit. You know, so not the

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Speaker 2: best way to get super accurate information. They're also such

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Speaker 2: mythic figures that everyone tries to write a story onto them.

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Speaker 2: I'm honestly doing it too. I'm trying not to right,

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Speaker 2: but it's impossible. But we do know a lot of

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Speaker 2: their actions. The Luddites weren't all over England. They were

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Speaker 3: Leicester. I know that because I've pronounced it wrong on

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Speaker 2: But it's Leicester.

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Speaker 2: Leicester, sure, because they're the different The bigger areas have

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Speaker 3: Get your shit together, England.

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Speaker 2: Come on, I know, I know. Well they're still fighting

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Speaker 1: Did you just say, get your shit together, England?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the one thing we don't want them to do.

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Speaker 3: You're right. The last time that happened, it went badly

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Speaker 3: for a lot of people when Albion Rises were all

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Speaker 2: Yeah, some of us. Actually that's the next line of

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Speaker 2: my script. Some of us don't know a lot about England. Say,

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Speaker 2: of a stone. And the same thing is about to

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Speaker 2: happen now, because get it, there's a I'm trying to

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Speaker 5: Sophia, Oh, are you talking about the fact that nobody

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Speaker 5: has seen Printess Kate Middleton in many months and the

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Speaker 5: photoshop fail and the royal family is not explaining why?

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Speaker 2: Yes, which I knew about because of you. You're welcome,

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Speaker 2: thank you. Whereas if you want to know about kings

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Speaker 2: hundred years. I'm your girl, but things that actually impact

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Speaker 1: This does not impact our lives.

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Speaker 2: But that's good.

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Speaker 1: Cap Middleton may not be alive, which.

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Speaker 1: Or if you fall conspiracy theories with a brand new face, ooh,

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Speaker 1: I hope there's still a sword. Me too, should always

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Speaker 2: The other thing that you might know about England is

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Speaker 2: who was a bear named Little John. For those of

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Speaker 2: In fact, our story starts in Noddingham. Okay it started.

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Speaker 2: when it is more self consciously. The Luodites on November fourth,

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Speaker 3: You're like, really they're all along? Yeah, who's to know?

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Speaker 3: You know? Yeah, But a.

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Speaker 2: Small group of people gathered and disguised themselves. Some of

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Speaker 2: smash up not all the frames, but the wide frames.

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Speaker 2: went at it again. This time the owner was ready.

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Speaker 2: One Luddite died, and he shouted out, proceed, my brave fellows,

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Speaker 2: to see, for everyone to get mad at the murder.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't like I put his head on a pike

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Speaker 3: They did, our boy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly in the Marge Simpson voice.

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Speaker 2: The lud eight smashed their way into the building. The

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Speaker 2: chose to sabotage. That same night, other Luits attacked another

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Speaker 2: It's at this point, it's November nineteen eleven that they

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Speaker 2: started sending letters out communicats, if you will. All of

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Speaker 2: The letters are stop treating workers as disposable, or will

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Speaker 2: quite literally terrorism. Yeah, they had no structural power over

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Speaker 2: They picked a leader, a fictitious one, and the first

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Speaker 2: if this is actually the origin. One historian Kirkpatrick's Sale

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Speaker 2: slang that sent all of a lud meant to smash

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Speaker 2: an actual king from eighteen twenty five named King Lud

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Speaker 2: It could also be connected to a King Lund of

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Speaker 2: the first century BC, who is connected to the Celtic

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Speaker 2: god Lud. That oh, and King Lund might be where

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Speaker 2: the name London comes from. It might come from Lundstown,

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Speaker 2: but other people make the etymology is out people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when when you're getting shit that old, it's usually like,

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Speaker 3: this is one of our better guesses.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it used to be the best I can tell.

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Speaker 2: It used to be a little bit more like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's Lundstown totally, it's from King Lund. And then like

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Speaker 2: I know, Lord Byron is the expert at this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then like a couple of years after this,

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Speaker 2: It's like he died of accidental poisoning. But most people

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Speaker 2: So what I'm telling you is that the Ludlight's prime

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Speaker 2: must be poured forth to ascend to heaven and testify

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Speaker 2: Can you commit a whole country to their own prisons?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Or England. He stood alone in the House of

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Speaker 2: and Yorkshire are like, all right, let's fucking go, and

437
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 2: they went even harder. Raids become more and more frequent,

438
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 2: despite attempts to stop them. In Yorkshire, they're stockpiling arms

439
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 2: that they're like robbing from militias and from houses of

440
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 2: rich people. They're more violent, they are more disciplined, and

441
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 2: they're more likely to perceive themselves as a revolutionary force.

442
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 2: They add a solemn oath to the mix, and to

443
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,959
Speaker 2: be to join the movement is to be twisted in

444
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 2: because these are like wolf spinners and shit right, I

445
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 2: like that, Yeah, as if an individual fiber is spun

446
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 2: into yarn. Yeah, that's good. The oath was a far

447
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 2: more poetic and long winded way of saying if I snitched,

448
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 2: someone should kill me. They've got secret signals and like

449
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,919
Speaker 2: hand gestures. They have a call in response, and the

450
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 2: call in response is what are you determined? What for

451
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 2: free liberty? And the government is like, hey, this is

452
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:05,199
Speaker 2: an insurrection and they're they're right. They call themselves the

453
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 2: Army of Redressers sometimes, and they are genuinely building towards

454
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 2: the revolution. At least many of them saw themselves this way.

455
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,719
Speaker 2: Not necessarily everyone involved, but this is manstr of every revolution, honestly.

456
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

457
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 2: They were in connection with quote, the Papists in Ireland.

458
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 2: They were building ties with Scotland and France. They're doing

459
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 2: what a lot of different people who are mad at

460
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 2: the English government do, which is like, yo, France, you

461
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 2: want to invade? Could you invade real quick?

462
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 3: Yeah?

463
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 2: And they were putting out explicit calls to end the

464
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 2: monarchy and usher in or republic. At the core of it,

465
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 2: they're mad because they're starving, right, they are barely able

466
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 2: to find work. They're subsisting off of oatmeal and like

467
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 2: a scarce potato here and there, and they're watching people,

468
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 2: especially infants, die of malnutrition.

469
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 3: Yeah. That would that would make me unhappy.

470
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 2: I would be missed, Yeah, a little bit upset.

471
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

472
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 2: I might write a strongly worded letter.

473
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but I would be writing letters two or

474
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 3: three times a week.

475
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. And these people were too. They just the strong

476
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 2: words were a little stronger and they had something behind them.

477
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

478
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 2: And I think one thing that's hard for the modern

479
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 2: European left to understand about the Luddites is that these

480
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 2: workers were fighting for tradition against the industrial revolution. They

481
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 2: were fighting for cultural lifeways. So they weren't revolutionaries in

482
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 2: a certain context, right. They were fighting for the preservation

483
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 2: of an existent or a previous way of life. Yeah,

484
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 2: there were utopian dreamers among them, but it was a

485
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 2: utopianism based on the foundations of their actual life ways

486
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 2: and culture, and as a vibe more familiar to leftists

487
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 2: and radicals who come from outside the imperial core, is

488
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 2: what I would argue. Sure, it also is part of

489
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 2: why the right wing tries to claim this kind of stuff.

490
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 2: At this point, they add arson to their toolbox. On

491
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: January nineteenth, eighteen twelve, they burn down a mill with

492
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 2: no one inside, and soon they burn an awful lot more.

493
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 2: And at this point, none of them, even when they're

494
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 2: running around with axes and swords and shit, none of

495
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 2: them are killing people on purpose at this point. And

496
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 2: I think, actually they haven't killed anyone at this point.

497
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 2: A lot of them have died. One of the more

498
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 2: notable Ludites was of the more militant variety, was this

499
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,719
Speaker 2: man named George Meller, who is twenty four in eighteen twelve,

500
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 2: and he was a veteran of the Napoleonic Wars, and Robert,

501
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 2: I don't know if you knew about this thing that

502
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 2: I learned about from you years ago from one of

503
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: your podcasts, about how when you go train soldiers to

504
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 2: go fight wars overseas, they can come back and become revolutionaries.

505
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it turns out if you make people really good

506
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 3: at fighting and then they get angry at you, you

507
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 3: have a problem.

508
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the Luodites, especially once you get up

509
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 2: into Yorkshire. So this veteran of the Napoleonic Wars, he

510
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: and presumably other veterans, gave the Luddites their military structure

511
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 2: and tactics. And he was a cropper. Basically he cut

512
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: cloth for a living, which is a very physically demanding job,

513
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 2: and croppers were famously large, strong, and fighty. He had

514
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 2: apprenticed for seven years at this job, and not that

515
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: many people could do this job, so it paid comparatively well.

516
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 2: New shearing frames were putting them out of work very quickly,

517
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 2: and soon he'd be lucky to just work in some

518
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 2: factory somewhere if he found a job at all.

519
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 3: Sure.

520
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 2: So in eighteen twelve and in April eighteen twelve, George

521
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 2: Meller and more than one hundred of his closest friends

522
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 2: armed themselves with everything from guns to rocks and everything

523
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: in between, and they marched on a mill called the

524
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: Rawfolds Mill owned by a mister Cartwright. Some of the

525
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 2: men carried huge sledge hammers called Enoch, like they'd be

526
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 2: like make way for Enoch when some hammering needed to happen.

527
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 2: And they were called this because the maker of the

528
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 2: hammers which they used for work was a guy named Enoch,

529
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: and he's like not on their side. He also made

530
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 2: a bunch of the machines. It's just like his design.

531
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: But they're Luodites, so of course they're aware of and

532
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: making reference to biblical forces when they say all this shit.

533
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: Enoch is a guy who lived for three hundred and

534
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: sixty five years and walked into heaven alive rather than

535
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 2: waiting to die.

536
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 3: Pretty based.

537
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they storm this mill, but it's not empty.

538
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: Mister Cartwright and nine others with four loyal workers and

539
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 2: five soldiers from the local militia, they're inside and they've

540
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 2: like defended there. They've like built everything to have little

541
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: pulleys that pull up things to block things and reinforce

542
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 2: the door and all this shit, and the defenders open

543
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,479
Speaker 2: fire and they're like, bring forth Enoch, and Enoch, you know,

544
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: runs to the front and starts to batter down the door,

545
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 2: which is heavily reinforced. Takes a very long time for

546
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: them to break through. And now we get to my

547
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 2: favorite named character and the whole story, with my favorite

548
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: line in the whole story. A young apprentice named John Booth,

549
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 2: forever known to history as not the other John Booth.

550
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: This is the good John Booth. He did not shoot

551
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 2: Abraham Lincoln. Instead he himself.

552
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 3: When people don't shoot Abraham Lincoln. One of my favorite

553
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 3: things for people to do is not shoot Abraham Lincoln.

554
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 2: I know almost everyone in the world has succeeded at that.

555
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, the vast majority of people, even one Musk as

556
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 3: far as I know, has not shot Abraham Link. Now

557
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,959
Speaker 3: would he have? Maybe?

558
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 4: Does?

559
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 2: He probably have a secret machine to build a time

560
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 2: machine to go back and shoot Abraham Lincoln sooner so

561
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 2: that he can have aparthe'd last longer in South Africa.

562
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 2: Who can I can't legally say m I can't prove

563
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: it yet. But the good John Booth, he takes a

564
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 2: musket ball to the leg and he goes down, and

565
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 2: soon enough a blacksmith is shot too, and the alarm

566
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: bell is ringing, and the literal cavalry is on its way,

567
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 2: and so the Luddites retreat and they're like, there's like

568
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 2: tearful goodbyes where they're like, I don't think we can

569
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 2: take you with us, but remember your oath. Okay, bud okay,

570
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 2: good luck my friend, and they like leave tearfully. They

571
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: leave two wounded, dying comrades. There's no time to drag

572
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: them away. Both men were interrogated, neither gave anything up,

573
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: and it might be apocryphal, but it's my favorite last

574
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 2: words in history. The interrogator, possibly the local priest, who

575
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 2: is a super anti Luddite guy, is like, all right,

576
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: tell us what you know, give us some names. John

577
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 2: Booth looks up and says, can you keep a secret,

578
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 2: And the priest is like, of course, John Booth says

579
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: so can I.

580
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 3: God, that's cool.

581
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

582
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 3: And then stuff like that too, where it's like they

583
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 3: could have stopped anyone from learning about his last words,

584
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 3: but it was just too cool to not. Even as

585
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 3: the guys you killed them, you're like, well, but we

586
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 3: got to tell people that was just too badass.

587
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: Or like they were like can you believe the ricalcitrins

588
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 2: of these stupid you know whatever. But yeah, no exactly.

589
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: And John Booth dies on the operating table as they're

590
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 2: amputating his leg. This is not a good time to

591
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 2: get shot in the leg.

592
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, not like today. Today is really a golden

593
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 3: age for getting shot in the leg.

594
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 2: I'll tell you of any year that has happened. Yeah,

595
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: if I were to pick a year to get shot

596
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: in the leg, it's probably like fifteen years ago or something.

597
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 3: If you've become unstuck in time like Billy Pilgrim and

598
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 3: you're planning on getting shot in the leg at some point,

599
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 3: now is definitely the destination.

600
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. One of the soldiers inside the mill refused

601
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: to shoot on the crowd when he's ordered to. He

602
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 2: puts down his gun and says he can't shoot upon

603
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: his brothers, and he is court martialed. And then because

604
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: of all of English history is one tiny town. And

605
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: I'm going to tie in, Yeah, three more literary figures.

606
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 3: There have only been thirty people in English history. Yeah,

607
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 3: at least that wrote things that got remembered. There's another

608
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 3: reverend in the town. And this one's not anti Luddite.

609
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 3: He's an Irish Anglican guy. I don't think he's like

610
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 3: pro them specifically, but he's like nousual or whatever. And

611
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 3: he sees people sneaking into the church's graveyard at night

612
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 3: to secretly bury too Luddites who'd been killed in the raid,

613
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 3: whose names are lost to history, and he didn't say

614
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 3: anything to anyone about it, because no one should be

615
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 3: punished for performing a Christian burial. That guy's name was

616
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 3: Reverend Patrick Bronte, only famous to history because his three

617
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 3: daughters are the fucking Bronte sisters who wrote like everything.

618
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 3: The guy Cartwright, the mill owner is hated by Luddites.

619
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 3: Every door after this happens, after these people are killed,

620
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 3: has vengeance for the blood of the innocent chalked on

621
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 3: it one morning after the death of good John Booth

622
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 3: and the others based And it's this interesting thing where

623
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 3: I think the people, the Luddites genuinely believe that they

624
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 3: have been wronged for being shot while they're trying to

625
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 3: destroy things with axes and hammers, you know, yeah, yeah,

626
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 3: which sounds almost silly now, but like in retrospect, you're

627
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 3: like well, probably shouldn't shoot people for destroying property. That's yeah.

628
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: The Luddites, for the first time, they are planning specific

629
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 2: and actual violence. When Cartwright was leaving town, he'd been

630
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 2: in town testifying at the court martial of the soldier.

631
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 2: He wasn't like, oh, I understand my boy. He was like,

632
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 2: fuck you, you didn't fucking shoot people. Some folks from

633
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 2: the bushes tried to shoot him but missed, and no

634
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 2: one knows for sure whether that was like trying to

635
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 2: kill him or it was like warning shots to be

636
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 2: like get the fuck out of here, but they were

637
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 2: probably trying to kill him. Around this time, they develop

638
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 2: a new tactic, food riots. Food riots start breaking out everywhere.

639
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 2: A lot of historians discount them from the story of

640
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 2: the Luddites, and I think that's because of misogyny, because

641
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: it's mostly men doing the raids at night, and it

642
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 2: is mostly women leading and participating in the food riots

643
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: and being hanged for it. At least two of these

644
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: women called themselves Lady lud while leading these fucking food riots,

645
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 2: and people are like, ah, is this really count? I

646
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 2: don't know. The prices of basic foods were skyrocketing. One

647
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 2: woman named Hannah Smith. She was fifty four. She was

648
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 2: hanged for handing out potatoes to a crowd from a

649
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,439
Speaker 2: cart she commandeered. They called it highway robbery in order

650
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: to hang her, and food riots turned into rob the

651
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 2: militias and steal their guns riots, and soon the overall

652
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 2: tactic of the Luddites was to start with a food

653
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 2: riot and then move into attacks on factories and mansions.

654
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 2: Two men in dresses led a riotous crowd to a

655
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 2: factory owner's mansion and then everyone like broke out the

656
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 2: windows of the place with rocks. And this is the

657
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: only known for certain time that cross dressers were involved,

658
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: but it is the symbol of the movement for generations

659
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 2: to come, is to have like kind of like a

660
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 2: big strong man with a sledgehammer wearing a dress. And

661
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 2: what's interesting about it is that the historians who like

662
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: the Latites tend to downplay the cross dressing, whereas those

663
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 2: who like want to accuse it of being like silly

664
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 2: and fight against modernity and annoying play up the cross dressing.

665
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: But even the downplayers are like, well, there might have

666
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: been more articles of women's clothing like here and there

667
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 2: among the rest of the raids. I don't know, you know,

668
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 2: this was a common method of disguise and more like

669
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 2: carnival that was part of rebellions in England and Ireland

670
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 2: at this point. It comes from this sort of world

671
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 2: turned upside down thing that happens at festivals, which is

672
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 2: the like someone's king for a day, or you know,

673
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 2: the lay people are the priests and the priests or

674
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 2: the lay people this kind of thing, and off in

675
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 2: the Luddites will claim themselves as general Luods wives and

676
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 2: I of course you'll be shocked to know. I think

677
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 2: is really cool that they were all a bunch of

678
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 2: weird cross dressers.

679
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 3: Yes, that is like, that's also just a thing the

680
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 3: English do a lot. I mean, like we all know

681
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 3: our Monty Python. There's like a long and complicated history

682
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 3: of cross dressing specifically in the UK yep.

683
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 2: But what there isn't a complicated history of in the

684
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 2: UK is advertisement. Because if you're listening to this in

685
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 2: the UK, all of the sponsors are good and moral.

686
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 3: We're entirely sponsored by the British Royal Family. That's right, Yeah,

687
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 3: so check that out. You know, you know, the British

688
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 3: Royal Family is such a good deal that you're about

689
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 3: to get like two or three monarchs in the space

690
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 3: of just a couple of years, so really, you know,

691
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 3: constantly working on that value.

692
00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and remember to use the promo code sausage fingers.

693
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 2: Here are the ads, and we're back. Okay. So another time,

694
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 2: five floodites are killed and eighteen injured when thousands of

695
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 2: women and men storm a factory and we're met with

696
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 2: rifle fire. So you're moving towards these daytime raids, these

697
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 2: like larger mass actions. And it's around this point when

698
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 2: even the misogynists have to admit women were heavily involved

699
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 2: in the movement. Yeah, the crowds get larger and larger,

700
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 2: the attacks get more brazen, and the persecution becomes more deadly.

701
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: And these crowds would march with a straw dummy held aloft,

702
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 2: which represented ned lud and they flew a fucking red flag,

703
00:38:54,640 --> 00:39:00,280
Speaker 2: the flag of revolt, which is way older than state socialism. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

704
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 2: And as many as thirty people were killed one day

705
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 2: in an attack on one owner's mansion. They were met

706
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 2: with sword and rifle from cavalry and they're still at

707
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 2: this point rarely shooting back their goal isn't violence, not directly,

708
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 2: but intimidation and destruction. It's around this point that spies

709
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 2: are starting to successfully get into the movement, at least

710
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 2: nine of them, and around one or two of the

711
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 2: arrestees were starting to talk, but really very very few.

712
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: In the end, the government, not particularly fond of being overthrown,

713
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 2: just put thousands of soldiers into these tiny areas, like

714
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: fourteen thousand soldiers. I've read somewhere that one in seventy

715
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 2: people in the entire triangle was a soldier GMNY Christmas.

716
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: The rewards kept getting raised higher and higher. At some

717
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 2: point they're offering two thousand pounds, which is literally a

718
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 2: lifetime's wages as forty years of wages at the decent

719
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: previous artisan rate. No one takes it. The occupying force

720
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 2: was rather rude, to say the least. They weren't there

721
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 2: weren't enough barracks, and they were all housed in like

722
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 2: local pubs, and just kind of like took over these towns.

723
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 2: And then at the end of April they entered their

724
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: final phase where most movements that don't succeed go. When

725
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 2: most movements that don't become widespread popular revolt across the

726
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 2: entire country.

727
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 3: Don't become a government, right. Yeah.

728
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 2: Some of them turned to reform because the government started

729
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 2: promising like, oh well, like look into some stuff, and

730
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 2: some of them, because of the repression, turned to increasingly

731
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 2: isolated acts of armed insurrection, violence, expropriation, and assassination in

732
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 2: the name of outright revolution. One owner had picked the

733
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 2: wrong name for his family. His name was Horsefall, and

734
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 2: he said he wanted to ride his horse up to

735
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 2: the saddle in Ludite blood. He really didn't like the

736
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: Luddites very much, and he was so famous for saying

737
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: this shit that little kids, like local kids in the

738
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 2: area would like run in front of his horse and

739
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 2: be like like, I'm general, lud what are you gonna do?

740
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,720
Speaker 3: You know, Oh boy, brave kids.

741
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 2: I know, like they're not quite old enough for the

742
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 2: factory job. Just kidding their old enough for the factory jobs. Mellow,

743
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 2: that veteran of the Napoleonic Wars, he has it out

744
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 2: for this particular owner for Horsefall. He once says that

745
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 2: he saw an infant die at its mother's breast while

746
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 2: Meller like rode by oncarrying he like holds in his

747
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 2: version of the story, I think It's like he like

748
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 2: holds the dead baby up to Mellow, who's like, I

749
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 2: don't even give a shit, fuck you, you know, I

750
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: don't really believe that story is too pat but it

751
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 2: might have happened. I don't know. He doesn't like horsefall,

752
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: so him and three of his buds waylaid horsefall and

753
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 2: shot him to death. And he fell off his horse.

754
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 2: And what he said as he fell was not poetic,

755
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 2: but it was definitely accurate. He shouted murder.

756
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 3: Well, okay.

757
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 2: He didn't die right away. He died thirty six hours later.

758
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 2: His last words were, these are awful times doctor. And

759
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 2: that's like kind of I'm like, yeah, I get some

760
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 2: empathy there, you know, yeah.

761
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

762
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 2: And the revolutionists are robbing mansions for guns for revolution

763
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: that doesn't happen. The reformists are failing to get basic

764
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 2: water down reforms pushing through the house, push through the

765
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: House of lords, Like the House of Commons will like

766
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 2: take their demands and water them down extensively and then

767
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 2: put them to the House of Lords, who are like,

768
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: we don't give a shit. Where the House of Lords.

769
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 2: Only Lord Byron is on their side in the House

770
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 2: of Lords, and it just loses steam in the face

771
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 2: of military occupation and repression. Also the Comet's gone. It's

772
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: largely seen as a movement that failed, and that is

773
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 2: mostly true. It did not win lasting reforms, it did

774
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: not stop the industrial Revolution. To be fair, no one

775
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 2: else did either. But strategically it was actually kind of

776
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 2: interestingly a stalemate. The government wanted to kill a lot

777
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 2: of them, wanted to vi and kill or deport just

778
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: so many people. They had a massive occupation of the area.

779
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 2: They only managed to get a couple dozen convictions in

780
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: the end with this army, and they managed to send

781
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 2: some Ludates to Australia, and they hanged others. But for

782
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,919
Speaker 2: all their spies and the astronomically high bounties, the Crown

783
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: couldn't get many arrests, and those they arrested, they couldn't

784
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 2: get too many convictions. Because this is the thing that

785
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 2: the Lueddites were best at. They shut the fuck up. Yeah,

786
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 2: that is the whole secret. Many many more of them

787
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: would have died. You had thousands and thousands of people

788
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 2: committing capital offenses. No one talked, so not everyone walked,

789
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: but most people did. Thousands of lives saved. They kept

790
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 2: their mouths shut for decades after. It wasn't until the

791
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 2: end of the nineteenth century that people started talking about

792
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 2: the wild shit they'd done in their youth. It was

793
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 2: also successful that it cemented the Luddite name into history,

794
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: though of course the powers of culture and control have

795
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 2: done an amazing job of turning it into a byword

796
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 2: for doesn't understand how to program a VCR which shows

797
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 2: how old I am, but what I could mean part

798
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 2: of a seriously amazing armed insurrection that like it is

799
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 2: seventy two degrees in early March in the mountains while

800
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: I'm recording this. If the lot I succeeded, it might not.

801
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 3: Be yeah, and we could still have clothing.

802
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: I know, because they weren't trying to get rid of

803
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 2: the idea of automating anything.

804
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 5: Yeah.

805
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 2: If they had been like, hey, y'all, we're going to

806
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 2: automate a lot of your jobs. Here is a living wage,

807
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: or here is like other ways to express your artistic craft,

808
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: or like here's some you know, or like you're the

809
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: one who can operate this machine, don't worry, here's a pension.

810
00:44:55,760 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 2: Like could have been fine, But I will end with

811
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 2: one more quote from Queen May that poem by Percy Shelley,

812
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 2: Just a bit of the utopian imagining, because this is

813
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 2: after the Luddite rebellion, this poem comes out and it

814
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 2: is the bible of the working class for multiple generations.

815
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 2: A brighter morn awaits the human day, when every transfer

816
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 2: of Earth's natural gifts shall be a commerce of good

817
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: words and works, When poverty and wealth, the thirst of fame,

818
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 2: the fear of infamy, disease and woe, war with its

819
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 2: million horrors, and fierce hell shall live but in the

820
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 2: memory of time. Wow, them's the Ludites.

821
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, maybe take some lessons out of those folks,

822
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 3: as we're going to need to do something about this

823
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 3: whole seventy two degrees in march in the mountains.

824
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, bit.

825
00:45:59,520 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 3: You know.

826
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 2: Some of the other lessons you can take out of

827
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:06,439
Speaker 2: it are like, well, sometimes things work and sometimes things don't.

828
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 2: And just because something's the more militant doesn't make it right.

829
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 2: And sometimes because things the more reformist, it doesn't make

830
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 2: it right. And it takes all of us trying different things,

831
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, And what it also takes is pivot

832
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 2: to plugs.

833
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, sure, read my book After the Revolution, Oh

834
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 3: point which is about the aftermath of a successful revolution

835
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 3: and shit's still fucked up as it always is, but

836
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 3: now there's a big rolling city. So that's pretty cool.

837
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 2: That is what I like about the book After the Revolution.

838
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: People haven't read it, they should go out and read it.

839
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, we had a revolution and it didn't

840
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: fix everything, and yeah, some things are more interesting and

841
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 2: some things are worse, and some things are better, and

842
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: some things would have been worse anyway, and like I

843
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 2: appreciate that it's a little bit more honest. Like I

844
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 2: like this utopian imagining. This poem. I'm closing with Shelley

845
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 2: being like, oh, you know, we'll be a time without

846
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: war and disease and power and like no one will

847
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: be poor and one to be rich. And it's like cool,

848
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 2: and I'm all about that, but it's also not how

849
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 2: it's going to go. Yeah, you know, no, like that's

850
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: the one thing that's the that's the Margaret Killjoy promise.

851
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 3: Yeah you gotta. I mean, one of the things that

852
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 3: that rodden Berry got right is that you don't get

853
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 3: any steps towards utopia without some disasters along the way.

854
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 3: And then one thing that people who eventually took the

855
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 3: series from him. Got right? Is that maintaining Utopia is

856
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 3: also a constant battle? Yeah, things just start nice forever. Yeah,

857
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 3: I really I've been on I've been on a Star

858
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 3: Trek kick lately too. I've been really into the way

859
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 3: that Yeah, people have picked up the ball and run

860
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 3: with it and been like, oh, maybe the Federation isn't perfect,

861
00:47:54,719 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 3: and like, but what is perfect is? I have another podcast,

862
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 3: its called Live Like the World Is Dying, which comes

863
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 3: out every Friday, and I'm one of three hosts, and

864
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 3: we talk about how to navigate living in bad times

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Speaker 3: and also, Sophie, what do you got?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, in the near future, check out Margaret's

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Speaker 3: baking cookbook Live Like the World Is Pieing. Oh my god,

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Speaker 3: that's all I got.

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Speaker 2: It was Margaret cookbook. It would literally just be how

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Speaker 2: to make hard tech everyone. This is my final plug, everyone,

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Speaker 2: make hard tech. If you eat it, you'll break your teeth,

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Speaker 2: but it lasts forever if you keep it away from moisture,

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Speaker 2: light and heat. So hard tech it's the way you

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Speaker 2: turn your flour into non dour times. Bye.

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