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Speaker 1: The World's a pigeon podcas Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. Well,

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Speaker 1: we know our postgame presser numbers for Bill and Mack

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Speaker 3: Well, last week, you know, he hid from us per usual.

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Speaker 3: Well, the emailers have time to write out an email.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 1: at Jills Stadium, and it's Steelers week. Very short week,

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Speaker 1: very difficult week to get ready for short turnaround. We

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Speaker 1: have to move around practice shows. We're not even gonna

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Speaker 1: during our show. So very upset about that. It's not

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Speaker 1: even gonna be a Thursday show. Yeah, Evan and I

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Speaker 1: do picks, a special Tuesday picks. Did we sell the hurry? Uh? Yeah? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Look more so?

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Speaker 4: All right, it's only one bye.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh geez, you didn't print out my sheet though.

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Speaker 4: The last bye of the season, I believe.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the Cardinals they're among them. I think, right, they

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Speaker 4: Don't figure out.

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Speaker 8: Sorry, I'm only paying atention about three teams right now.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, watch three? Why is that dud?

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Speaker 7: The Panthers, the Cardinals.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of interested in the Bears all of a sudden,

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Speaker 8: I'm really rude for Justin Fields to play great.

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, I mean we talked about it at

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Speaker 1: is there anything left to say about the six Nothing?

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Speaker 1: I don't even want to call it a game that

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Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, like, what are we doing here?

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Speaker 7: I mean I watched a little I watched a little film.

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Speaker 7: I mean I just thought it looked in sync. And

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Speaker 3: Those guys were mostly on top of things. I thought

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Speaker 7: I think it was fun though, just about watching this

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Speaker 1: So the bigger question is is the defense twenty twenty

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Speaker 7: I'll just say my first thought coming out of it

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Speaker 7: You can't go into next year with just Matthew judaan As.

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Speaker 1: The ball and they're like, I don't know, we'll just

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Speaker 4: Like, you know, the Chiefs haven't been great on offense.

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Speaker 1: Well you know, most of the and that's the other thing.

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Speaker 1: They all have good records, but they're vulnerable, you know

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Speaker 7: Well they got three to four losses. I mean, I

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Speaker 7: it's it's I mean I was having the same thought

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Speaker 7: that the top four teams were nine and three, nine and.

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Speaker 1: Three, eight and four, eight and four in the AFC, you.

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Speaker 7: Know, you'd probably come into the season like, man, the

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Speaker 4: But like I would just I would just look at

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Speaker 4: it and say, like, Dolphins, Ravens, Chiefs, right beyond those three,

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Speaker 4: who do you think has a chance to represent the AFC?

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Speaker 8: Well, I mean the Bills maybe.

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Speaker 4: Right now, the only other team I would put in

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Speaker 1: Right now because all the quarterbacks are hurt, you know.

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Speaker 1: But like at the beginning of the season, we thought.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so which team who's not in those three? Cincinnati

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Speaker 4: would yeah, I said it, Yeah, you still have the Jags.

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Speaker 7: They smell like the Jags. What if the Texans keep

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Speaker 4: You know, I mean you think that the Texans can

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Speaker 1: Right if they need to get hot, you know, it

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Speaker 1: It just they're good.

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Speaker 3: They're a good modern NFL defense. And if they weren't

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Speaker 4: Six and six is more than reasonable if they had

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Speaker 3: It's not a functioning NFL offense. It's not a professional

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Speaker 1: Did you hear the cut from Zoe that they were

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Speaker 3: Throw a go ro out, you know, But that because

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Speaker 1: I got so frustrated last night. I'm watching the game,

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Speaker 3: They weren't try I was talking to Deuce about this

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Speaker 1: At you know who's up, you know whose contracts are.

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Speaker 7: But you know, it's like part of me was wondering

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 1: Like what are you gonna do? Like, what are you

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Speaker 4: On Sunday, Evon was pointing out these plays where ten

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Speaker 7: And I mean the the you know, the drop slash overthrow,

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Speaker 1: And I think he got blown up in the backfield

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Speaker 1: on this one, I think, and.

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Speaker 4: They had a couple of those they had they were

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Speaker 4: setting They was certainly setting something up with him sort of.

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Speaker 3: They were setting something up. The first motion that they

445
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Speaker 3: never called. We call that boomerang yeah yeah, boomerang back yeah,

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Speaker 3: which I mean what you know.

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Speaker 7: One thought, I was like, I don't know what the

448
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Speaker 7: miscommunication was between Andrews and Strange because the defensive tackle

449
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Speaker 7: just came right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So yeah, bab I always, I said this last week.

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Speaker 3: I think I always operate under the assumption that David

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Speaker 3: Andrews is correct, So.

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Speaker 1: Like he's leaving it to Strange.

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Speaker 3: Strange, So it was I think it was supposed to

455
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Speaker 3: be pin poll and Strange never pinned. So Andrews pulls

456
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Speaker 3: out in front of him on the sweep and Strangers

457
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Speaker 3: supposed to pin his guy inside and Strange never pinned.

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Speaker 3: So that's how you.

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Speaker 7: But I mean, just to bring the point home, like

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Speaker 7: on that play, I was like, throw the Thornt in there,

461
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Speaker 7: like he's got a little bit of space, Like you know,

462
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Speaker 7: he's the only guy on this team that can move.

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Speaker 7: You know, when you're I think you're two on three

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Speaker 7: on the backside, so I mean, you have a little

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Speaker 7: bit of numbers to work with.

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Speaker 8: I don't know, it's just.

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Speaker 3: They call those advantage throws, so they're actually more like

468
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Speaker 3: a pre snap reed of like leverage and numbers based

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Speaker 3: off of just what the quarterback's looking at, so it's

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Speaker 3: not like a full fledged RP.

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Speaker 1: They call it. Who are you talking about, Bill O'Brien, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: how do you know?

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Speaker 3: He told me?

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I'm just wondering because I know every team

475
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Speaker 1: has their own Lexico.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, yeah. I asked him a while

477
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Speaker 3: ago about the fact that pretty much every RPO that

478
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Speaker 3: they run is a run, like they never throw them,

479
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Speaker 3: and it just drives me nuts because of the reasons

480
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Speaker 3: that Mike is saying. It's like, you have the numbers

481
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Speaker 3: over here, and he you know, he's so he tells

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Speaker 3: me that they're they're called advantage throws at least here.

483
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Speaker 3: Some police call them different things. But uh, it's a

484
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Speaker 3: pre snap read, so you're not reading the defensive movement

485
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Speaker 3: post snap and then making it reading a player and

486
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Speaker 3: then making a decision based off that read. And I think,

487
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Speaker 3: when in doubt, handed off is kind of the mantra

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Speaker 3: in the locker room on those. And so if you're

489
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Speaker 3: not like one hundred and sure that that throw is

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Speaker 3: going to work, then your coach to just hand the

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Speaker 3: ball off, you know, So it's it's basically a run.

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Speaker 7: It's also was it the first third down that they

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Speaker 7: threw like just a little screen to the left side

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Speaker 7: to Parker who couldn't even get past the first block.

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Speaker 7: It's just like, why are we throwing that to Parker?

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Speaker 7: Like throw it to Thornton.

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Speaker 1: But you know, going back to what you know, Zoe's

498
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Speaker 1: lament during the game is we're easy to defend again,

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Speaker 1: you know, like if you're gonna have ten guys in

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Speaker 1: the box question, you gotta try something. You gotta go

501
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Speaker 1: over you gotta do something to get over that to

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Speaker 1: make them honest. But we just can't. And then when

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Speaker 1: we try, you know, it goes right through Thornton's hands.

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Speaker 3: Or it's too fifty to fifty, which is more like

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Speaker 3: twenty eighty these days, to Devonte Parker. And you know,

506
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Speaker 3: he went one for five on those deep shots. And

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Speaker 3: I thought some of them are some some spotty decision

508
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Speaker 3: making by Zappi just trying to throw it up to

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Speaker 3: Parker and make something happen. But with Thornton, I no

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Speaker 3: one is saying that Thorton would be a thousand yard

511
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Speaker 3: receiver someplace else if he was drafted by another team.

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Speaker 3: He has clear issues, route running issues, ball skills, things

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Speaker 3: like that. I just wish for him and I wish

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Speaker 3: for the like what would have happened if he was

515
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Speaker 3: coach correctly when he got here, And what would happen

516
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Speaker 3: if he was used correctly with his speed within the

517
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Speaker 3: framework of the offense. Would he be a useful deep threat?

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Speaker 3: Not again not saying that he would be a fifteen

519
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Speaker 3: hundred yard receiver, but would he be a functioning NFL

520
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Speaker 3: deep threat. It just seems like he has never improved.

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Speaker 3: And this is another thing that I get on Troy

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Speaker 3: Brown about, like how is this guy making He's clearly

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Speaker 3: talented enough to get open. He's got the speed, and

524
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Speaker 3: he's got the ability to get open at the NFL level.

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Speaker 3: He was opened at least half a dozen times in

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Speaker 3: this game on Sunday, But they just can't seem to

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Speaker 3: get him to be able to well catch the ball,

528
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Speaker 3: which would be a good start. But also, you know,

529
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Speaker 3: the some of the route running is just robotic and

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Speaker 3: stiff at the top of the route, and it's like, why,

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Speaker 3: where's the coaching where? How are we improving guys? How

532
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Speaker 3: are we working with guys to improve their technique. I

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Speaker 3: can't help but think with Thornton, if he was in

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Speaker 3: Kansas City with that coaching staff, in that system, with

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Speaker 3: that quarterback, would he be Marquez Valdez scantling for the

536
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Speaker 3: Chiefs because he it very well could be like it

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Speaker 3: looks like that.

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Speaker 7: They're trying to throw it to him like off the

539
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Speaker 7: break so many times and it's just he gathers himself.

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Speaker 7: He's got a bunch of stutter steps. He's tall, so

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Speaker 7: he doesn't you know, he just doesn't have that quickness.

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Speaker 7: But I mean, for me, that was just an example

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Speaker 7: of a play where he's in space. He's got a

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Speaker 7: little bit of motion. He doesn't have to stop and

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Speaker 7: cut and lose all his momentum, you know, just like

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Speaker 7: I don't know that that really I think to me

547
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Speaker 7: watching this and maybe it's stupid, it's just like this

548
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Speaker 7: is where I'm like, how coordinated is this offense? Like

549
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Speaker 7: how much are they are they are their hands tied

550
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Speaker 7: because of who they have or are they just not.

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Speaker 1: Putting enough sticking on the offensive side of the ball. Again,

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Speaker 1: Paul shows the new man on your show is you

553
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Speaker 1: don't have to have a top quarterback of the top five.

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Speaker 4: That's just Felger's matra.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's they're agreeing with it.

556
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been on the show and.

557
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Speaker 1: Yesterday. I mean, they are coming around to it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Check the twenty twenty draft. How'd that go? You know,

559
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Speaker 4: but at the top of that draft go quarterback wise.

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Speaker 1: But as far you know, it's true in terms of

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Speaker 1: winning the Super Bowl, the only you know, top quarterback,

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Speaker 1: you know, top number one overall that's done it since

563
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Speaker 1: the last twenty something years is Manning. You know.

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Speaker 4: That's the stupidest argument I ever.

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Speaker 1: I know, But that's it's a Felger fact.

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Speaker 4: If you can't stupid out of the what so if

567
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Speaker 4: a guy has picked third and he wins the title,

568
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Speaker 4: it doesn't matter because he wasn't picked first.

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Speaker 3: Well, the stat that I heard, I think was like

570
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Speaker 3: top five quarterbacks and it's like the Mannings and that's it.

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Speaker 4: In the last one of the.

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Speaker 1: Reasons, well, Brady took up so many of these about

573
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Speaker 1: that's my point, right, there's been what I'm just facilitating.

574
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying what this is, what's happening now.

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Speaker 3: But there's like fifty four super Bowls right around fifty four.

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Speaker 3: I always lose track on fifty four. Brady's won seven

577
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Speaker 3: of them, that's right, and gone to nine and then

578
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Speaker 3: everybody you know to ten, Eli's one two, Roethlisberger's won two,

579
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Speaker 3: Peyton's one two. So when you really start to factor

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Speaker 3: how many quarterbacks have actually won a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: That's then it's how many have they gone to which

582
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Speaker 1: stopped another quarterback from even.

583
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Speaker 3: Having And that's the sample size we're going with. But

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Speaker 3: he's like the forty quarterbacks in NFL history that have

585
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Speaker 3: won a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: And if you're going to base it on that on

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Speaker 4: based on that data, then you should be targeting a

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Speaker 4: quarterback in the late sixth round because that's how you

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Speaker 4: win titles. Or there's not a correlation that should be

590
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Speaker 4: drawn from spot where a guy is drafted to titles,

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Speaker 4: like you have to pick good players. If you get

592
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Speaker 4: a good player, like should should should a team that

593
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Speaker 4: picked somebody who you know, should Cincinnati be looking at

594
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Speaker 4: with laments that they took Joe Burrow because he hasn't

595
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Speaker 4: won a title, and maybe he never will.

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Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, Paul, this is what's coming. Your

597
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Speaker 1: guy has a lot of fluents, and it's.

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Speaker 4: And this is like our argument from the post game

599
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Speaker 4: show the other day.

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Speaker 1: I don't want it.

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Speaker 4: It's growing because somehow people are convincing themselves that Caleb

602
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Speaker 4: Williams is not the guy because he cried.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be that he cried. I don't

604
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Speaker 1: want to be that team with the top pick because

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Speaker 1: usually that team's a disaster.

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Speaker 4: So I don't want to be That's a different argument.

607
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Speaker 4: If you are that team, then what do you do.

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Speaker 4: I know they are a disaster. His team is a disaster.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to be picking number one overall. Ever,

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Speaker 4: I agree, but that's where we find it.

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Speaker 7: So are they saying trade down or are they saying

612
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Speaker 7: take a different position?

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Speaker 4: I trying to not as important.

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Speaker 1: I think I don't want to put words in Paul's

615
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Speaker 1: guy's mouth, but I think he's saying it's not as

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Speaker 1: it's obviously not as slam dunk as you think it is,

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Speaker 1: and it's not.

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Speaker 4: Nobody thinks that's a slam dunk, and it's a Felger argument.

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Speaker 4: It's the ultimate straw.

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Speaker 1: It's not as important as you think it is.

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Speaker 4: It's more important than you think it is, but it's

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Speaker 4: not a sure thing. No one ever says it is.

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Speaker 3: Understand how we could go from elite quarterback. Forget about

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Speaker 3: where he was Brady was drafted. Just you saw what

625
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Speaker 3: it looked like with Brady, and you see what it

626
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Speaker 3: looks like without elite quarterback, and now the quarterback is

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Speaker 3: not important.

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Speaker 4: And I do think there's part of this mentality stems

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Speaker 4: from the fact that people think you can get it

630
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Speaker 4: because they got it in the sixth round with Brady,

631
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Speaker 4: and that that will happen again, right.

632
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Speaker 3: I mean it's party. There's Jalen Hurts, you know, like

633
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Speaker 3: there's now there's more recent examples.

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Speaker 1: Jordan in the low twenties.

635
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think the biggest first round. Yeah, you

636
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Speaker 3: look at all those all those guys, and this is

637
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Speaker 3: what I you know, it's true that this offense is

638
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 3: way more than just a quarterback away. They're way more

639
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Speaker 3: than just a quarterback away. I I think offensive line wise,

640
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Speaker 3: they're probably one tackle away from being a functional offensive

641
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Speaker 3: line with a quarterback that knows what he's doing back there.

642
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 3: But receiver wise, they they are completely like, that's the

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Speaker 3: reason why Jake Browning can go into that game and

644
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Speaker 3: throw over three hundred and fifty yards like the Bengals

645
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 3: offense last night scored more points than the Patriots have

646
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Speaker 3: scored in four weeks.

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Speaker 4: And I will say this, if Cincinnati now closes the

648
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Speaker 4: season playing offense the way they did last night, I

649
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 4: will say, with Jake Browning obviously playing all the games, Okay,

650
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Speaker 4: there's a guy who's you know, clearly a little bit

651
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Speaker 4: better than that. I think last night it was a

652
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Speaker 4: combination of a really really good game plan and the

653
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Speaker 4: weapons around him. And I think that quite frankly, the

654
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Speaker 4: Jags were asleep defensively. It was a terrible performance by

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Speaker 4: the Jacksonville defense all night. Now, if he does it

656
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Speaker 4: week after week like brock Perty's been doing, then maybe

657
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Speaker 4: I'll take a step back and say, maybe he has

658
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Speaker 4: more to do it than I thought. But the numbers,

659
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Speaker 4: and I have these numbers all the time, Okay, it

660
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Speaker 4: carries them with them, I don't. I have it all

661
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 4: printed out. And this is just in the last ten years.

662
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Speaker 4: If you want a really good quarterback, the percentages are bad,

663
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 4: like no matter how you slice it. But if you

664
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Speaker 4: take him in the top ten. Nine out of twenty

665
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,959
Speaker 4: five over the last ten years, I would say have

666
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 4: panned out. Trevor Lawrence, Joe Burrow, Tua, Justin Herbert, Josh Allen,

667
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahome. These are the guys that I'm counting as hits. Okay.

668
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,239
Speaker 4: Some of the guys that I'm counting as missus, by

669
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 4: the way, are Kyler Murray, Oh Daniels.

670
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 3: Those are fighting words for me.

671
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 4: Evan. I agree. I'm fending over backwards to not include

672
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 4: these guys.

673
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Speaker 1: That makes his point.

674
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Speaker 4: I agree with you, Evan. I would take Kyler Murray

675
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 4: in a heartbeat the people. But I'm not counting those

676
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 4: as many as hits. So now I did bottom of

677
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Speaker 4: the first round. After the top ten, I'm so on

678
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 4: this counts guys like Deshaun Watson, who was twelve. Okay,

679
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 4: So I'm just going after the top ten in the

680
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 4: first round all other rounds, and I'm not counting every

681
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 4: quarterback that got taken because that would skew the number. Obviously,

682
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 4: people take flyers on fifth and sixth ands. I'm not

683
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 4: counting them. I'm talking only about guys who have made

684
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 4: the NFL for any length of time. It's nine for

685
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Speaker 4: twenty five for the top ten. It's ten of forty

686
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 4: four for the blast half in beyond. So there's a

687
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Speaker 4: million more opportunities for the guys not taken in the

688
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 4: top ten that there's a finite number in the top ten. Literally,

689
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 4: there's a million guys that I'm not including ten. So

690
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Speaker 4: it's twenty three percent if you don't If you don't

691
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 4: do it early, you got a twenty three percent. If

692
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 4: you do it early, you got a thirty six percent

693
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 4: chance of hitting. And again, Evan would argue that thirty

694
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 4: six percent should be higher because he would include guys

695
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 4: that I didn't Just to try to be overly fair, right,

696
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 4: just trying to be faia fail. Okay, the bottom half

697
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 4: of the first round guys Justin Fields, Mac Jones, Kyle Trattz,

698
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 4: Kellen Mond, Davis Mills, Jordan Love. Now, Jordan Love might

699
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Speaker 4: turn into a hit, so that could could rise by one.

700
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts as a hit, Lamar Jackson's a hit, Watson,

701
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 4: Dak Prescott, Derek Carr. Again, I'm trying to be fair.

702
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 4: If there's guys on the edge of hitting, I'm counting

703
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 4: Derek Carver. We're not cutting Kyler, Thank you, Evan. I'm

704
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 4: just trying to show you how fair I'm trying to

705
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 4: be here. Okay, I'm counting guys like Derek Carr and

706
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 4: Jimmy Garoppolo as hits. I'm counting guys like Daniel Jones

707
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 4: and Kyler Murray as missus. Yeah, Dan Jonson, I'm trying

708
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 4: to be really real, but I'm trying to be over

709
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 4: the top fair when I'm doing this. Kirk Cousins, Russell Wilson,

710
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 4: Andy Dalton. I counted as a hit. Colin Kaepernick, I

711
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 4: counted as a hit. So if there was a sniff

712
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 4: of success for a guy, I counted as a hit,

713
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 4: whereas the other way you had to be really over

714
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 4: the top good for me to count it as a hit.

715
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 4: And it's still a better percentage in the top ten.

716
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 4: So again, there's a million misses. There's a lot of

717
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 4: guys that miss Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, there's a lot

718
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 4: of guys, Zach Wilson. It's hard. Yeah, it's hard to

719
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 4: get it right, but you're making it harder if you wait.

720
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,719
Speaker 4: This is the part that people don't talk about. It

721
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 4: gets harder the longer you wait.

722
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Speaker 7: I just don't think it's if you're picking second overall,

723
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 7: especially if you're coming off a two to three win season,

724
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Speaker 7: you need to kind of have a new guy, like

725
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 7: when they march bled Sell in here, you know, and

726
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 7: it's like, all right, this is the new face of

727
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 7: the franchise. I mean, I don't know what's gonna happen

728
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 7: with the coaching staff, front office, all that stuff, but.

729
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 8: Like this team needs that.

730
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: You know.

731
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Speaker 7: It's hard for me to see if you're picking in

732
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Speaker 7: the top two not taking one of those top two guys.

733
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I look at the it's a really good quarterback

734
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 3: class in terms of depth at the top, and it's

735
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: a really good receiver class in terms of depth at

736
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Speaker 3: the top as well. I mean, Marvin Harrison Junior is

737
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 3: the prize, but like Romadunza is really good. Neighbors from

738
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Speaker 3: LSU is going to be really high prospect, key On

739
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 3: Coleman from Florida State. Like, there's going to be at

740
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 3: least a handful of first round top forty receivers taken.

741
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Speaker 3: But I just feel like all of us, and maybe

742
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 3: I'm just speaking for myself, but the coming away from

743
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 3: that draft, because you don't just have the second or

744
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 3: the third overall pick. You also have the thirty fifth

745
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 3: or the thirty fourth overall pick too. Coming out of

746
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Speaker 3: that draft with a quarterback and a number one receiver

747
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 3: at least in theory and saying this is our like

748
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 3: these two guys were building around these two guys offensively

749
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 3: for the next five to ten years. That's that's what

750
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 3: I would want to see. Regards you still add in

751
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 3: in the free agent market too, like in the veteran

752
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 3: market also. But if you came away from this draft

753
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 3: with you know, just to be realistic, because I don't

754
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 3: think it's that realistic with the Dunesay and Marvin Harrison Junior.

755
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 3: But if you came away with this from this draft,

756
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 3: with Caleb Williams and neighbors from LSU, like now you're

757
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 3: you are are Xavier Worthy from Texas, Like now you

758
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 3: have a nucleus like a building block right now offensively,

759
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 3: they don't have They don't have that. They don't have

760
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 3: any building blocks on the offensive side of the ball.

761
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Speaker 3: Besides maybe Ramandra Stevenson.

762
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Speaker 4: I saw someone had neighbors in the top beat the

763
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Speaker 4: other day.

764
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Speaker 1: He's a good prospect.

765
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 4: No, I like him a lot. Just to wrap the

766
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 4: bow on the whole Felger and maz portion of this,

767
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 4: the reason why they're so adamant about this and I

768
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 4: and I'm convinced of it. I tease them about it

769
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 4: every week and we joke around and we laugh. They

770
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 4: think everybody sucks and I'm not. I'm not exaggerating. And

771
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 4: Tony is at the top of the list. He sucks, Mike,

772
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 4: every single guy stinks. They don't except for the guy

773
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 4: who wins it all. If you don't win it all,

774
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 4: you suck.

775
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 3: Then why does he like Jimmy Garroch.

776
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 4: He's he's solid on that. He's now like so now

777
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 4: he'll also go down with the ship and say, well,

778
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 4: if he didn't leave, he'd still like forget it. I'm

779
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 4: not even gonna argue that. But Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes,

780
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 4: those are the guys that they think can play like

781
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, you'd get pushed back on Justin Herbert,

782
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,439
Speaker 4: you'd get pushed back on Tua, You'd get pushed back

783
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 4: on on they like Burrow. They like Burrow, they get

784
00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 4: you get pushed back on on on Josh Jallen, Oh Lamar.

785
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 4: They think can't play at all, Like you can't even

786
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 4: talk to them about Lamar, like they think every single

787
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 4: guy in the league sucks if they didn't win the title,

788
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 4: and that's just the way it is, Like there's no

789
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 4: there's no getting him off.

790
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 3: They're not alone on it. So I feel like because

791
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 3: he plays for the Chargers and because he plays out

792
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 3: West Patriots stands And I'm not like picking on fans

793
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 3: for this, but they only watched Justin Herbert play the Patriots,

794
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 3: and I don't know you.

795
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 4: Could have watched the game on Sunday and came away

796
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 4: with anything but being impressed with that.

797
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 3: Quarterback right in three games against the Patriots. Though the

798
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 3: production has not been.

799
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 4: The production wasn't great, but the throws were. He had

800
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 4: two bad throws in the whole game that I think

801
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 4: he was not on the same page with his receiver.

802
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,439
Speaker 4: Every other incompletion was either a really good defensive play

803
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 4: by like Jonathan Jones or Mills, or a guy dropped it.

804
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 4: And they had some big plays that were dropped. Yeah,

805
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know how you could play much

806
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 4: better in those conditions.

807
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 3: With with what the he had to throw to ye,

808
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 3: even the throw that that walked it off like that

809
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 3: end of the game. I mean, you know everybody picks

810
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 3: on Miles Bryant, but Myles Bryant is is step for

811
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 3: step with the receiver for most of the play, and

812
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 3: Herbert just puts it on an absolute perfect spot.

813
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 4: And the only difference between that and half the other

814
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 4: places that guy caught it right. Yeah, and he must

815
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 4: have looked at it and said, I don't want anybody

816
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 4: else on the field. It's either gonna be Keenan Allen

817
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 4: or I want someone new because I'm tired of Partim

818
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 4: dropping him. I'm tired of Johnston dropping him. I'm gonna

819
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 4: throw it to this guy. Was it?

820
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 3: Ericson Alexarrickson?

821
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 4: Like, I think Herbert's pretty good? Now? Does he have

822
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 4: the winning quotient like to win it all? Maybe he doesn't,

823
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 4: because he does find a way to lose a lot

824
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 4: of games that like, you look and you say, how

825
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 4: did they not win that? Whereas I think Burrow does

826
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 4: have the winning quotient.

827
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 7: Yeah.

828
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: So, right now, as we stand, the Patriots have the

829
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 1: number two overall pick. And I've heard some people say

830
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: this is a quarterback heavy draft and other people say

831
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: it isn't.

832
00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 3: He says it isn't.

833
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 4: Well, this is my point.

834
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,439
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. People are saying that, but you can.

835
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 4: Get anybody to say anything. It's a quarterback heavy draft,

836
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 4: whether you want that guy or not. That's what I do.

837
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: I've heard. You know, Caleb Williams talent is undeniable, but

838
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: there's the other stuff. And then everybody else has flaws.

839
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 7: Everybody else welcome to everybody kind of has doesn't a flaw.

840
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 7: And I haven't really jumped into any of this yet,

841
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 7: but I mean the little bit that I have watched

842
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 7: of May and Williams, it was like, yeah, I mean

843
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 7: they've got skill, and I mean I'm with you one

844
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 7: hundred percent on Williams. I mean, just you know, the

845
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 7: ability lay in the down to make crazy plays they have.

846
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 4: You know, Tom Brady can't run. That's a flaw. Like

847
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 4: he's the greatest player who's ever played the position. Everybody

848
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 4: has flaws.

849
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 3: There's there. This class has four quarterbacks at the top

850
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 3: that are as good as prospects at the top as

851
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 3: you're going to find. I mean, Caleb Williams, Drake May, Pennix,

852
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 3: and Jaden Daniels are all first round caliber quarterbacks.

853
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: Like lock it in today, where the guys picked last

854
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: year first round.

855
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 3: Caliber trying to remember the class last year.

856
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 4: Will No, he didn't get picked.

857
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 3: I look at this class as a no. One is

858
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 3: like a shot fire, can't miss prospect. But if you're

859
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 3: just looking at traits, this is up there traits wise

860
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 3: with the last you know, four or five.

861
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 4: So it's Bryce Young, CJ. Stroud, and Anthony Richardson. Those

862
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 4: are the top three of the top four pitch.

863
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: Of the draft.

864
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 3: So I think that Daniels is a better runner than

865
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 3: c J. Stroud, but I think he has a lot

866
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 3: of the same qualities as a thrower as c. J.

867
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 3: Stroud does and Pennix. I mean, what more does that

868
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 3: guy have to do to get you to like him

869
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 3: as a prospect. He goes, He goes toe to toe

870
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 3: with every single team in the Pac Twell, which has

871
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 3: been really good this year. By the way, Patchwell has

872
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 3: probably been the best conference in college football. That game

873
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 3: against Oregon on Friday night was terrific game, unbelievable game.

874
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 3: And he's just dropping, you know, deep over routes, just

875
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 3: dropping dimes on people.

876
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 4: I was impressed with both quarterbacks in that game got assaulted.

877
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 4: I don't like him to both tolls off the back foot,

878
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 4: not gonna be a good I didn't say anything about

879
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 4: the NFL for anything. I just said I thought both

880
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 4: quarterbacks played well, and I was in particular impressed with

881
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 4: Penix and his ability to close the game out with

882
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 4: the throw that Herbert made the next day, like instead

883
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 4: of just saying, I hope our defense can hold them, no,

884
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go and get a first down so you

885
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 4: don't get the ball back.

886
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, they Penix definitely has a little bit of

887
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 3: that in quality of intangible stuff and is a good

888
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 3: leader and a winner and that kind of thing. We'll

889
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 3: see what it looks like in the playoff, but I

890
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 3: would be happy with any.

891
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 4: Of those for its funny, like making fun of myself aside.

892
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 4: I was watching the usc U c l A game

893
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago, and UCLA has this edge guy. Yeah,

894
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 4: you know, I think it's a lot too or something

895
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 4: like that. Did I tell you the story was this

896
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 4: guy is really good. I'm like, and I never I

897
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 4: wasn't overly familiar with them, and I'm like, watch, I'm like,

898
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 4: this guy's really good. I'm gonna remember these are the

899
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 4: kinds of edge guys. I really like, you're supposed to

900
00:39:59,080 --> 00:39:59,959
Speaker 4: be like a top five.

901
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, nothing, that's how I fell too.

902
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 7: Judge good judge of talent right here A couple of

903
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 7: a couple other observations to throw it to the group,

904
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 7: Michael and wayn you little little concerned. I think this

905
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 7: was a little bit of a reminder that he's not

906
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 7: really truly a right tackle, maybe doesn't have quite the

907
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 7: link in the athleticism to really be a full time

908
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 7: guy there against an elite kind of pass rusher. So

909
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 7: I don't know that performance gave me a little bit

910
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 7: of a pause in terms of.

911
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: Just you know.

912
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know where you guys are at

913
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 7: right now, and I mean right now if you asked

914
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 7: me today, I don't really care about resigning the Big three.

915
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 7: I think I don't really care for I mean, I

916
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 7: think Douger's fine. He's also twenty seven. Jo Bill Peppers

917
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 7: is one year older than Douger. I kind of feel like,

918
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 7: let Dougger walk, get a real free safety, puts some

919
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 7: speed on the back end.

920
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 8: I liked having his athleticism.

921
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 4: Was this something that was work?

922
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: Now? This is all do?

923
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 7: Solo made a couple of nice place Dog made a

924
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 7: nice couple couple nice plays and at times I was like,

925
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 7: it's nice to have a guy with this kind of athleticism,

926
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 7: especially when facing you know, an athletic quarterback like Herbert.

927
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 7: He ran him down a couple of times and you know,

928
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 7: made life like tough for him. But again, what are

929
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 7: you going to invest in him to? You know, I

930
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,760
Speaker 7: mean he plays twenty to twenty five percent of the snaps.

931
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 7: It's it's hard to really say. And with him when

932
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 7: you it's like, I mean, City's out, not great, but okay,

933
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 7: and how much are we going to continue to kind

934
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 7: of play this game with the offensive line?

935
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 1: Like you know, I if.

936
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 7: We were investing in him at right guard, but if

937
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 7: you really feel like City can play right guard, yeah,

938
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 7: I will.

939
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 4: Resign if I'm convinced that he's the tackle. I don't

940
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 4: care about the guard.

941
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 3: Oh I'm resigning him either way. If you want to

942
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 3: make the same mistake you did with Joe Toney, then

943
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 3: go ahead, like if you want to let a good

944
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 3: offensive lineman walk out the door.

945
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 4: And I think the mistake with Joe Touney was wasting

946
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 4: money franchising.

947
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: Well, that's what and that's.

948
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 7: That's yeah, I mean that's where I think that the

949
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 7: debate is you know, and that's where where does the

950
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 7: money go? And you know, is it? I mean, I

951
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 7: don't want to say Michael when he's not good, but

952
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 7: is he is he just redundant? And how much of

953
00:41:58,680 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 7: an impact is he really going to have?

954
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 8: I don't know.

955
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 7: I just I mean, this is where I'm at right

956
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 7: now here week fourteen, as we sick get ready, they

957
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 7: need to do a.

958
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 4: Better job of drafting and developing. I think we all

959
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 4: if Bill.

960
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: Goes maybe more important then who's going to be the coaches,

961
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: who's going to be picking players? Who's heading up the ball? Well?

962
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 3: And I would also just say too to that, like

963
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 3: for who is he picking players for? Because Mike on

964
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 3: When who is a three hundred and forty pound guard.

965
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 3: If he if they're going to hire Ben Johnson to

966
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,919
Speaker 3: run an outside zone offense, then he's not a fit

967
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 3: for that system. So it also matters in that respect too.

968
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 3: But I with on when Who, I'm still resigning him.

969
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 3: I was a little concerned that looking back at some

970
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 3: of the tape for the first couple starts at tackle,

971
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 3: they hadn't played an elite pass rusher yet, and now

972
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 3: he's going to get Khalil Mack who just took his

973
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 3: lunch money like that was probably the worst game Mike

974
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 3: on when who's ever played.

975
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 4: That's the first time I saw him consistently exposed.

976
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,280
Speaker 3: He looked like Darian Lowe, like I it was that bad.

977
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 3: And now he's gonna get TJ. Watt this week, so

978
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 3: you're gonna see it in back to back weeks. How

979
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 3: does it look against the best of the best? I mean,

980
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 3: Mac is leading the league in sacks and year.

981
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 4: Just to end, you know, my thoughts with with the

982
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 4: when you like, if they resign a when you I

983
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 4: won't sit there and say they're wasting money. They're doing

984
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 4: like he's a good player. That's the kind of guy

985
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 4: that I think that they've been too willing to let

986
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 4: go guys that they draft, they developed, they've actually played well.

987
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 4: And I would say the same thing about Duggar. I'm

988
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 4: not going to be up in arms if they let

989
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 4: him go the way Mike said. Everything Mike said, I

990
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 4: would say, yeah, that makes sense, you know, like he's

991
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 4: you know, kind of redund kind of redundant. But if

992
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 4: they kept him, I think at some point you got

993
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 4: to keep some of your players and stop trying to.

994
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 3: I just wonder what it would look like with with

995
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 3: Dugger if you're going to keep him long term, which

996
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 3: I think you probably should with Dugger and Pepper's and

997
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 3: then like a true center fielder as the third guy

998
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 3: so that you can get to that Deron Harmon, Devin

999
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 3: Mccordya Bates last year, I don't think they ever.

1000
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 4: We never never did. We talked about him. I know

1001
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 4: we talked about him. I didn't remember if we had.

1002
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 7: Actually maybe just another way to frame this win you

1003
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 7: thing is like to your point, Paul, you gave Shack

1004
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 7: Mason a big deal, you franchise, like, can we just

1005
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 7: get a like can we just wing it with guards

1006
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 7: next year?

1007
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: Can we just wing it like let's let's.

1008
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 4: Investor say how much better? So better?

1009
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 3: And if you want, I know, winging it with guard

1010
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 3: you have seventy five million dollars in caps because you.

1011
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 8: Winged it with tackles this year.

1012
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: Why does it invest in tackles.

1013
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 4: That's a great point, because I don't care about the money.

1014
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 3: What doesn't matter, And you're letting good players walk out

1015
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 3: the door and the next quarterback is going to be

1016
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 3: on his ass.

1017
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 4: It matters to me because I think there's a finite

1018
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 4: amount of money that they that they will spend, and

1019
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 4: I don't want it spent on interior offensive linemen. I

1020
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 4: just don't think that's the only If I thought that

1021
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 4: they were going to run it like everybody else and say, yeah, yeah,

1022
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 4: we'll overpay for a WINU, but it's not gonna stop

1023
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 4: off from getting T Higgins, then I'm fine. I'll take both.

1024
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 4: I agree with you. I think he's better.

1025
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 3: Just holes Again, it's just like a couple of seasons

1026
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 3: ago when they traded Shack Mason, they low ball ted

1027
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 3: Carris and now you have to draft cold Strange in

1028
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 3: the first round and you're just creating holes off the offense.

1029
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 4: But that's letting them all go at once. Like in

1030
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 4: the span of a year, probably eighteen months, you lost

1031
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 4: your top three guards for nothing, like, for no reason.

1032
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 4: Like that's a little different than letting one guy go.

1033
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 4: But I told you, if they resign when you I,

1034
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 4: you won't hear one ounce of criticism for me.

1035
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: Does it change your perspective at all?

1036
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 4: Though?

1037
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 7: On and then you know, we've talked about this plenty

1038
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 7: about not retaining your guys and not retaining your players.

1039
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 7: But if there is a regime change. Does that matter

1040
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 7: as much because you're bringing in a new guy that

1041
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 7: you're going to try to establish all new energy anyway?

1042
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 8: I don't know.

1043
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm I'm just asking the question here.

1044
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 8: That's where I'm like my head's at.

1045
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 7: It's like, on one hand, yeah, you'd love to, you know,

1046
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 7: retain these guys, but like to Evan's point, what if

1047
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 7: they don't really fit? Like what if we come in

1048
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 7: what if a new defense coordinator. I'm not running the

1049
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,240
Speaker 7: sixth safety defense anymore. We're gonna run a free safety

1050
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 7: and a strong safety.

1051
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 4: And that's We're just looking at it in a vacuum.

1052
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 4: We have no idea what what what the scheme is

1053
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 4: gonna do?

1054
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: So seasons over Bill, whether he decides to leave or

1055
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 1: they decide to you know, have him leave, whatever. What's

1056
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: your first step if you're the Crafts, is it to

1057
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: hire a head coach.

1058
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 3: Or to hire a GM retaining Gerard Mayo?

1059
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: So you bring him in as the head coach.

1060
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 3: Defensive court do defensive coordinator?

1061
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 1: Is that allowed? Because is gerd Mao going to agree

1062
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: to that?

1063
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a title, it's probably you know, probably

1064
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,919
Speaker 3: already getting paid pretty well otherwise I don't know why.

1065
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: So you're gonna make that You're going to sign him

1066
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 1: to that before you sign your head coach and GM

1067
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: what if they don't want.

1068
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 3: That, then they're stupid. Okay, but I wouldn't hire those guys,

1069
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 3: Like what.

1070
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: If you know what if a head coach comes in

1071
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: and he wants to bring his guy or.

1072
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 3: To do like so, I guess my point is is like,

1073
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 3: this is what I hear you, but this defense is

1074
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 3: not is not schematically broken? Is really well talked about?

1075
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 4: That early?

1076
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: Do you run this defense back?

1077
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 3: I would like I I feel like that's the side

1078
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 3: of the ball that I would like to see some

1079
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 3: continuity stay. And I think Girod's the right guy, whether

1080
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 3: it's the head coach or as the defensive coordinator to

1081
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 3: do it.

1082
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: Well, let's say they make Gerard the head coach. Would

1083
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: you be surprised if he says, you know what, Steve,

1084
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: I want you, I want you on my staff the.

1085
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 4: DC, Yes, surprised? What stunned?

1086
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be would really? I don't know. I mean

1087
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: they look like they have a good relationship.

1088
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 4: They know what they're firing his father and we're going

1089
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 4: to retain his son. Yeah, I would be stunned. You

1090
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 4: asked me a question, that's my answer. But I don't I.

1091
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Speaker 1: Don't find it out of the realm of possibility.

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00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 7: I mean, I also just think in terms of the

1093
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 7: defense though, I mean, go back to our earlier point

1094
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 7: of that it's really hard to have an elite defense.

1095
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,240
Speaker 8: You can have a good defense.

1096
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 7: Is it that much to say we can just get

1097
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 7: back to a good defense, Like even if we do

1098
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 7: blow this defense up, that you know that there are

1099
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 7: enough pieces to have a competent even if it's not

1100
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 7: this gonna blow then who knows what's going to happen.

1101
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,720
Speaker 7: But I'm saying, you know, you're bringing back as many

1102
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 7: guys as you can that you want, and you know

1103
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 7: that solves it. I mean, Drod's your head coach, but

1104
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 7: he's bringing back Steve. He's a defensive coach.

1105
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: Now Drod's job or whoever the GM's job is the offense.

1106
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: Focus on the offense. We need to build an offense

1107
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: from the ground up.

1108
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Speaker 4: I just look at it.

1109
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 3: I think that there has to be there's a lot

1110
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 3: to be said in my book for the fact that

1111
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,720
Speaker 3: the defense is still playing its tails off at two intents,

1112
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 3: I agree, and somebody is responsible for that, you know,

1113
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 3: primarily and talking to the guys in the locker room

1114
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 3: after the game on Sunday, that was the first time

1115
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 3: that the defense was starting to really come out and

1116
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 3: point fingers, I know, and just be like.

1117
00:48:58,440 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: Godshaw had those contents.

1118
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 3: I mean, he said the same stuff to me as well.

1119
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 3: I didn't advertise it as highly as Andrew Allen did

1120
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 3: for obvious reasons, but I asked god Shaw, I was like,

1121
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 3: you know what about Gerrod? Like what because obviously you

1122
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 3: guys are still playing your butts off for somebody, and

1123
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 3: I don't think it's Bill, Like I just don't. And

1124
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 3: so who is it? And he said, Girod's that guy

1125
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 3: that he's the alpha. You walk into the room with

1126
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 3: Steve and Girard and the rest of the coaching staff,

1127
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 3: and Girrod is the alpha dog in that room. And

1128
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 3: everybody respects Girod Mayo, he said, we all respect all

1129
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 3: of our coaches, but that that is the guy that's

1130
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 3: leading the ship right now on that side of the ball.

1131
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 3: And I think, regardless of all the x's and o's

1132
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 3: and stuff like that, there has to be something. There's

1133
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 3: something to be said for the fact that he's getting

1134
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 3: those guys to play hard. Sure at this point of

1135
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 3: the season, and they play for him, and I think

1136
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 3: that that is you know, that was it for me.

1137
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, you know this, this is

1138
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 3: a guy that needs to be here. And I wouldn't

1139
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 3: change the defense grammatically, I wouldn't change what they're building

1140
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 3: on that side of the football. I think they do

1141
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 3: have young players that are playing in that defense that

1142
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 3: are going to continue to play well. It's really you know,

1143
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 3: the old guys are you know Lawrence guy. I guess

1144
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 3: Judaan is starting to get up there. But for the most part,

1145
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 3: you either have guys that are in their prime or

1146
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 3: young on the defensive side of the football, and I

1147
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 3: think that you should work to retain all those people.

1148
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting, like you said Douce earlier, when they

1149
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 1: play Mahomes this year, will they still be playing hard?

1150
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: It's only two weeks away, but will they still be

1151
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: playing hard? I think they're how effective will they be?

1152
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 6: You know?

1153
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 4: And I just look at Kansas City and I just

1154
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 4: I think they'll be fine against Kansas City. They haven't

1155
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:42,399
Speaker 4: done anything in months. Just we haven't seen it Herbert's good,

1156
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 4: but the defense is suddenly really good Kansas City, but

1157
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 4: their offense is just kind of pedestrian.

1158
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: Let's open it up a five to five pats five

1159
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: hundred disease. Take it out like gotta hurri because we're

1160
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,439
Speaker 1: gonna do picks today. Mark s and Everett, what's up? Mark?

1161
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 6: You should take my I think I think we're way old.

1162
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 6: I mean, you guys know me. I'm fifty five.

1163
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 10: Grew up on Evert.

1164
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 6: We used to be called the Patsies before you know,

1165
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 6: we became the best the last twenty years. It takes

1166
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 6: a little time. It's only three years removed. It's not

1167
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 6: Bill's fault. Bill used to say, coaches coach, players play.

1168
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 6: We've all heard him say that we just needed a

1169
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 6: little bit more time. We're not blowing everything up. If

1170
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 6: we bring in a new coach, it's going to be

1171
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 6: a new system. We'll lose half our coaching staff. Then

1172
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 6: we'll be rebuilding from scratch. It'll be another five six

1173
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 6: years before we're somewhere. Defense is playing great, he asked,

1174
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 6: some of our rookies still need a little more and

1175
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 6: dropping a few balls. But Bill's not the one throwing interceptions.

1176
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,280
Speaker 6: Bill's not the one fumbling on the goal line. Bill's

1177
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 6: not the one who's going off sides. You guys got

1178
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 6: to live now.

1179
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 4: He's the one who brought all those players that are

1180
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 4: doing all those things here.

1181
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 6: Yes, he picked them, he thought they were good.

1182
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 4: And he's coaching them too.

1183
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:01,439
Speaker 6: Listen, who what about Eleman? Element wasn't until Bill brought

1184
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 6: him in. Mayo wasn't nobody until Bill brought him in.

1185
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 4: Mayo Mayo was the tenth overall picking the draft.

1186
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:09,240
Speaker 6: Who picked him?

1187
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:09,919
Speaker 1: Bill?

1188
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 4: My god?

1189
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 6: Exactly?

1190
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:12,919
Speaker 1: He was on special teams.

1191
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 4: He's nobody. He was not on special Mayo was a

1192
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 4: stud linebacker at Tennessee.

1193
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, Paul, I met Gentleman, I.

1194
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 4: Met Edelman was a college quarterback that got sure they

1195
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 4: I mean, Dad and Brady allowed you to develop in

1196
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 4: into a star. But whatever, So you're.

1197
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,439
Speaker 6: Saying, you say he'd rather get rid of the Bill

1198
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 6: and bringing a whole new staff, a whole new team

1199
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 6: is start all over again, Yes, and not keep the

1200
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 6: guy who's been keeping us the way we have.

1201
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 4: Then go to and ten. Yes, I would rather do

1202
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 4: that than go to and ten. Yes to me, you're.

1203
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 6: Asking for trouble. I mean you're asking for trouble. We're

1204
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 6: gonna have a whole new everyone.

1205
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 4: What is trouble gonna be one and eleven?

1206
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,240
Speaker 6: Well, it doesn't matter this. Yes, this year we stake

1207
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 6: when last year we were okay. The year before that

1208
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 6: we made it to the playoffs. It's not like the

1209
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,760
Speaker 6: worst thing ever. I mean, we're not the Jets.

1210
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: We're not.

1211
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 4: You know, I got news for you. You're worse than

1212
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 4: the Jets.

1213
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 6: This season. Yeah, so you think Bill is totally lost it.

1214
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 6: He is not to do anything about football because he

1215
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 6: made a few bad choicest.

1216
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 4: Don't make it, Andy Hart, don't make an Andy hard argument.

1217
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 4: I didn't say that he's totally lost it. He doesn't

1218
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 4: know anything about football. I don't think he's done a

1219
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 4: good job of coaching the team. They get a delay

1220
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 4: of game every week, they have to call a timeout

1221
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 4: to avoid a delay a game every week. They get

1222
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,479
Speaker 4: caught with twelve men on the field every week like that.

1223
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 4: The coaching that's coaching. Those are coaching errors, over and

1224
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 4: over and over.

1225
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 6: And we all know who it is. It's his. He

1226
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 6: hasn't been coached up not to do it.

1227
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 4: Who are we talking about.

1228
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 6: We're talking about the offensive line who constantly have false starts.

1229
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 4: I didn't say anything about false starts. I said delay

1230
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 4: a game, timeouts and bad times, and I said too

1231
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 4: many men on the field. That has nothing to do

1232
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 4: with a false start.

1233
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 6: That's coaching, because that's because the players don't know what

1234
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 6: they're doing, so take time.

1235
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: I know. But but when when when players don't know

1236
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: what they're doing, the coach gets blamed.

1237
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 6: Of course he gets blamed. But we know that coaches

1238
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,919
Speaker 6: coach and players play players not good enough, He's gonna

1239
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 6: make a mistake.

1240
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 4: But he keeps trotting out those players.

1241
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 1: I know, But when, But Mark, look at it the

1242
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: other way. Whenever you see those teams that are very

1243
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: rarely penalized or you always say, well, that's a well

1244
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: coached team. So the opposite has to be true too, right, And.

1245
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 6: I get and I get that, but you don't. I

1246
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 6: get that, But it's not really what's going on.

1247
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: Yes, it is.

1248
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 6: If we all had a homes we'd all be great coach. Okay,

1249
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 6: if we all had a Brady, we'd all be great coaches.

1250
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 4: Exactly. You just made my argument for me. Yeah, without Brady,

1251
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 4: you just have a regular guy, just like everybody else.

1252
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: Thanks, Mark, I mean, listen, I I I hear what

1253
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: he's saying, but it's time listen.

1254
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 4: It's fine to be honest with you. And I know

1255
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 4: Mark a little bit, which is why back at him

1256
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 4: the way I did, because I do know who I

1257
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 4: know Mark, I used to be with teammates. The thing

1258
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 4: that I can't get around is you can't just totally

1259
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 4: rest on past accomplishments and just say that that's what

1260
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 4: it is, okay, Like you have to sort of adjust

1261
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 4: to what you're seeing in the moment. And yeah, you

1262
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 4: can make an argument to be honest with you. I

1263
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 4: respect Mark's loyalty to Bill Belichick and understanding and recog

1264
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 4: Now I'm not trying to be patronizing, recognizing what he

1265
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 4: did for twenty plus years and not wanting to just

1266
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 4: flippantly throw that away and move on. Brian Morey, who

1267
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 4: used to be a big part of this show with

1268
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 4: Red and I, I feels the same way. He can't

1269
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 4: believe he hasn't He's wisely not addressed this with me,

1270
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 4: but I know he has with you and Matt Freed right.

1271
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 4: He finds it unbelievable, finds it fathomable that it's even

1272
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 4: a thought, and there's part of me that really looks

1273
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 4: at that and says, that's impressive loyalty. And I'm not

1274
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 4: making fun of I'm not saying that ironically at all.

1275
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 4: Like I know this guy has done so much for

1276
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 4: my team. I can't believe that you would even think

1277
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 4: about replacing him. I think differently, but two people can

1278
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 4: look at the same thing and have reasonably different I

1279
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 4: have differences of a pion.

1280
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: Bill was on board, and I mean on board, not

1281
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: just reluctantly on board with someone else coming in and

1282
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: running personnel, and he just focuses on coaching. I'd be

1283
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: okay with that.

1284
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 4: I wouldn't, you know, because he would coach it the

1285
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 4: same way he's coaching it now. I think he loves

1286
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 4: these games, the last three games, like holding the score down.

1287
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 4: I just I don't think he's interested in trying to outscore.

1288
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 4: I think Brady was so good that that's what happened

1289
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 4: is it didn't matter.

1290
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: Logan's in Indiana. What's up? Logan?

1291
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 10: Hey guys? I love your show.

1292
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 4: Thanks hi, Evan real quick.

1293
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:55,879
Speaker 6: You're the fan.

1294
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 10: I love your input on this show. I love all you.

1295
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 4: Guys, but you're Evans that along evn't had to go

1296
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:04,439
Speaker 4: and uh talk to Bailey's app.

1297
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it's confronting dais all right.

1298
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,240
Speaker 4: Well he's gonna ask him why he.

1299
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 10: Controversial question, mister crafts your guys the boss. If you

1300
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 10: don't want to answer it, that's fine. But is there

1301
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 10: a power struggle going on here? Like the crab tail

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Speaker 10: Belichick for drafting Mac Josephs the man you're gonna stick

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Speaker 10: with you're coaching because Belichick wants to put the best

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Speaker 10: product on the cannot think that Mac.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he told him specifically to you know,

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Speaker 1: draft Mac or eight quarterback. What I do think is

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Speaker 1: that he told you need to be more collaborative, because

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Speaker 1: that word was used by Belichick and by Craft. And

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Speaker 1: so if that means listen to Matt grow more or

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Speaker 1: listen to your scouts more when they give you suggestions,

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Speaker 1: that could be part of it. And if you want

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Speaker 1: to call that a power struggle, okay, But I doubt

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Speaker 1: that Craft would be unwise enough to go in and

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Speaker 1: demand to pick a certain player, because when you start

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Speaker 1: doing that as an owner and things go bad, who

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Speaker 1: do you fire? Yeah? Right, you don't set yourself up

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00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: like that as an owner. Yeah, it just.

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Speaker 10: Sounded like Bill was a little high on Bailey.

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Speaker 6: Just a couple of little combats.

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Speaker 1: Well, well, I think he was doing that because he

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Speaker 1: liked his attitude and I think he didn't like Max

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Speaker 1: at it.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think it's one thing. He didn't turn it over.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that part of it.

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Speaker 4: He kept saying he didn't turn it over. He didn't

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Speaker 4: turn it over, he didn't turn it over, and he

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Speaker 4: ignored the fact that they didn't move the ball and score.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Logan, thanks Paul's Foods here. Uh so

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Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break, eat a little bit

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Speaker 1: so that we're refueled for the second half because we

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody, Maddie here. Bill Belichick spoke to the

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Speaker 1: media yesterday.

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Speaker 5: Let's listen to what he had to say.

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Speaker 12: I know it's a few times up in the game

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Speaker 12: that you know, you guys moved ball well at times

1357
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 12: but couldn't inside the red area of the scoring position. What,

1358
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 12: in your perspective prevented the offense from being able to

1359
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 12: move the ball to the red zone or down the

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Speaker 12: go line.

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Speaker 13: I think there's a number of factors. Let mean, first

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Speaker 13: of all, and we get it there, we got to

1363
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Speaker 13: do more with it. You know, we have a couple

1364
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 13: of negative plays in those situations, and you know that

1365
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 13: put us out.

1366
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 9: You know, put us out. We weren't able to convert on.

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01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 13: We're on a long field, so that's that's always hard

1368
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 13: to you know, move the ball an extra thirty or

1369
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 13: forty yards, you know, but they look, that is what

1370
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 13: it is. We get the ball there, still got to

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01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 13: do more with it. But you know, we got to

1372
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 13: one drive. I think it was like fourteen plays and

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01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 13: something like that, and you know, went from the down

1374
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Speaker 13: somewhere around the ten to the thirty, so you know

1375
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 13: it's a good drive, but still not really even in

1376
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 13: scoring range.

1377
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Speaker 9: So you know, it's a combination of.

1378
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 13: Not having enough explosive plays, not being able to do

1379
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Speaker 13: well enough when we got the ball into the plus

1380
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 13: plus territory, and you know, plan on long field always,

1381
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 13: you know, makes it statistically harder to make long drives

1382
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:07,439
Speaker 13: compared to short ones.

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Speaker 9: So those are some of the things.

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Speaker 13: But I mean, in the end, when we get there,

1385
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 13: we just got to do more with the opportunities that

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01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 13: we have when we get the ball in the scoring area.

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Speaker 12: And just one quick fall up. Were you pleas enough

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Speaker 12: with the offensive performance to start Bailey again on Thursday?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, well we'll talk about the game plan here today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 12: Expecting Chris back.

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Speaker 14: In reference to yesterday and also kind of more generally

1393
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 14: this season, what do you do with being the main

1394
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 14: problems in terms of the offensive production?

1395
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 9: Is it is a talent issue? Is it an execution issue?

1396
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 6: There is?

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Speaker 14: Obviously the defense has you in games, but the offense

1398
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:56,479
Speaker 14: has not been able to seemingly live up to their end.

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Speaker 9: Of the bargain. Yeah. Well, there's no question we need

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01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 9: to be more productive offensively, so just keep working on it.

1401
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 15: Is it a talent issue?

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01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 9: Execution?

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Speaker 1: What do you what do you feel?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 13: I think there's it's a combination of things. But if

1406
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 13: we can can make them, make them better, then collectively

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01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 13: we think it will have better results.

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Speaker 14: Ken White t mind staffs on defense yesterday? What have

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01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 14: you seen from him in his development and how has

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Speaker 14: he grown into more playing time?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 13: No, I mean can's you know, hard working kid. He's

1413
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 13: out there every day and and that's how you get better,

1414
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 13: get better with being on the practice field, working on

1415
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 13: your techniques or reads or fundamentals, your keys, and then

1416
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 13: you know, improving your techniques. He's done all those and

1417
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 13: gets gets better every day and you know, is improved

1418
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 13: of the course of the season. That's sort of it's

1419
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 13: a credit to his hard work and coachability that that

1420
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Speaker 13: he's done.

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Speaker 1: I get.

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Speaker 16: Next question, Michael Hurley, and I encourage others to raising.

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Speaker 14: Hand if you have a question, Bill, just a quick

1424
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 14: question on Bailey.

1425
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 9: I know it's limited sample.

1426
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 14: Size and a couple of passes yesterday probably could have

1427
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 14: been hot, but fifty percent completion right through this point,

1428
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 14: are you seeing a.

1429
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 9: Different quarterback than what you had last year in Bailey

1430
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 9: or what have you? What is I don't know, fifty

1431
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 9: sticks out to you or not?

1432
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 13: Yeah, well again, I'm always looking to, you know, increase

1433
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 13: our production on everything, so passing games, you know, and

1434
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 13: part of function of the quarterbacks, function of the receivers,

1435
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 13: pass protection, and the plays the way they match up

1436
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 13: against the coverages. So just try to keep moving forward

1437
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 13: to maximize every one of those areas the best we can.

1438
01:03:56,200 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 14: H Chris Ryan All for Rainbow. I want to asked

1439
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 14: well about Pittsburgh on a short week, what are you.

1440
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 15: Know the challenges of taking them on or anybody on.

1441
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 14: This in a short week, particularly when you're looking to

1442
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 14: find some consistency on one side of the ball.

1443
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 9: Uh.

1444
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 13: Yeah, well again, it's uh, every team has has one

1445
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 13: of these games, and you know we've all had them

1446
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 13: in the past. So it's about rest, recovery, being physically

1447
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 13: ready to go, and then only you know, quick turnaround

1448
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 13: from yesterday's game to Pittsburgh saut and report today and

1449
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 13: you know, a couple of days of trying to you know,

1450
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 13: get things covered.

1451
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:44,959
Speaker 9: You know, pretty far into the season.

1452
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 13: I don't think there's a lot of you know, new things,

1453
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 13: but it's more adapting into what we do against what

1454
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 13: they do, which is different than what we've seen. Especially defensively.

1455
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 13: There's just a lot of odd spacing BA defense. Not

1456
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 13: that we haven't seen that, but you know, these guys

1457
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 13: obviously do a lot of it, and so we'll have

1458
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 13: to and they do it their kind of their style

1459
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 13: of doing it, and so we'll have to adapt that

1460
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 13: to some of the things that you know that we want.

1461
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 4: To do in this game.

1462
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 9: So so yeah, it's a quick quick turnaround that.

1463
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 13: Again physically mentally and and uh and then from a

1464
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 13: game planning standpoint, you know, we just all have to

1465
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 13: you know, not try to do too much game planning,

1466
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 13: but you know, physically be ready to go and be

1467
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 13: ready to compete for sixty minutes.

1468
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 16: Right Well, thanks question to cot to random exact costs Well,

1469
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 16: a similar question, but specifically on Pittsburgh's offense counts up.

1470
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 16: Is it to develop a game plan to them this

1471
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 16: week given the coordinator change, the entry to the quarterback

1472
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,439
Speaker 16: that just happened, and including the short week.

1473
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 13: Right, Well, again, when you're when you're this far into

1474
01:05:57,600 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 13: the season, I don't think you know, you'd see a

1475
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 13: too many teams on a Thursday game, you know, revamp

1476
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 13: and run a whole new offense. You know, at this

1477
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 13: point you're and you've committed a lot of time and

1478
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 13: reps to what you do, and you you know, modified

1479
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 13: a little bit for the specific opponent, but you pretty

1480
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 13: much are what you are at this point in the

1481
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 13: season and in terms of schematically, and I don't think

1482
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 13: you're put in the twenty or thirty new plays this week,

1483
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 13: so even it was a full week.

1484
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 9: So I just you know, I think you prepare for

1485
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 9: what what you've seen.

1486
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 13: We played this team last year, so we have a

1487
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 13: little bit of a background at least with some of

1488
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 13: the personnel and certainly the defensive scheme. But there's always

1489
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 13: the unknown. You know, something different could happen, and if

1490
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 13: it does, I'm if you're ready to adapt to it.

1491
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 9: Thank you.

1492
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 14: And one more, uh, do you anticipate anticipate Matthew Judon

1493
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 14: being able to return to practice it all down the

1494
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 14: stretch this season?

1495
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 9: We'll see. That's a good question. Yeah, we'll see.

1496
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 13: That's that's a medical questions, So see how that plays out.

1497
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 13: I know he's working hard. You know, Matt's been an

1498
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 13: here and uh, you know it works hard on a

1499
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 13: on a daily basis. But again that that's a medical

1500
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 13: question that you know I wouldn't be able to answer.

1501
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 9: You know, it looks like the last question for Zach Cups.

1502
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 7: Morning built.

1503
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 17: But what does Moping need to show you in order

1504
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 17: to earn a more significant role defensively? I know you

1505
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 17: had some opportunities early in yesterday's game, but only I

1506
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 17: believe over the last couple of weeks.

1507
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 13: Well, you know, we have pretty good depth at that position,

1508
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 13: and obviould say Peppers and Dugger, you know, two of

1509
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 13: our best players and to the better players in the

1510
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 13: league at that position. So not really looking to get

1511
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 13: them off the field and you just get playing time

1512
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 13: for somebody. Use players around guys like Doug and Pepper's

1513
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 13: situationally because you think they can help you in that

1514
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 13: situation in a certain package. And so that's that's really

1515
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 13: what players need to do in situations like that, is

1516
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,919
Speaker 13: you know, develop an opportunity and and then be ready

1517
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 13: to perform well when those opportunities come to.

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Speaker 9: Create more opportunities. So and tased on that. He's he's

1519
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 9: a hard working kid.

1520
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 13: He you know, really pays attention, very studious and attentive,

1521
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 13: and you know he's improved a lot through the course

1522
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 13: of the year. I don't think he's a good player,

1523
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 13: will be a good player, but you know, he's still

1524
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 13: young and inexperienced. And let's say right now, you know

1525
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 13: the guys ahead of him are just ahead of them.

1526
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 18: When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes, no

1527
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 18: replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery,

1528
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 18: everyone could focus on the perfect opening night FedEx where

1529
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 18: now it's next for residential delivery.

1530
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 4: Only and now great moments in.

1531
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 1: History. But but that's my point. They didn't. I think

1532
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,679
Speaker 1: Levy was caught the wave there. He had a great team,

1533
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 1: great person you know, great players. They were oh my.

1534
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 4: Whoa sorry who unnecessary one forever right, that came out

1535
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 4: of nowhere.

1536
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 1: They were, they were loaded. We'll get that on posting.

1537
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 1: Get that on post That's another great moment from all

1538
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 1: right back here in Patriots Unfiltered eight five five past

1539
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:36,600
Speaker 1: five hundred is the ACE ticket outline web radio at

1540
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 1: Patriots dot COM's email address. We're going to do picks today,

1541
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 1: so we gotta hurry. But Chris with A T, I

1542
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:44,759
Speaker 1: A N S on the phone, what's up, Christian?

1543
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 15: Hey, what's going on?

1544
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 1: Guys? Hey?

1545
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 15: You know call is like mock that just want to

1546
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 15: make you bag your head off the table. Look, we

1547
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 15: all want to go back to two thousand and three

1548
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 15: when Tyle Loff picked off Times THEFC Championship game. But

1549
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 15: you know, the best the dynasty, you know portion of

1550
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,679
Speaker 15: the dynasty that year, Like it was just phenomenal. It's great.

1551
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 15: It's over twenty years ago. And I don't know how

1552
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 15: you could possibly watch these past four seasons that think

1553
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 15: that changes are warned and officiate doesn't convince you with that.

1554
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 15: I don't know what will like. I I'm just baffled

1555
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 15: with people like and I don't know if you guys

1556
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:28,599
Speaker 15: have seen it, but I all over all over Twitter,

1557
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 15: uh you know, online wherever. Oh the defense the past

1558
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 15: three games, they've been liked. So who have they played?

1559
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 4: And it can score point? This one was was you know,

1560
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 4: more impressive than the other two.

1561
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: It was rainy.

1562
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not even taking that. I think the

1563
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 4: defense has played hard. I think Evan the way Evan

1564
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 4: puts it is right. They they're continuing to compete. Now,

1565
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 4: I'm with you, Christian, and I've been down this road.

1566
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 4: I'm not going to go in today. I think they're fine.

1567
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:06,560
Speaker 4: I think the defense is fine, right, but you know,

1568
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 4: I just haven't seen them, you know.

1569
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 1: But that's the thing you bring back. But what's going

1570
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:13,679
Speaker 1: to change, you know, Like what is going to change

1571
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:17,560
Speaker 1: if you bring back Bill and the staff and what

1572
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 1: is going to change? It's sometimes you just need a

1573
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:24,599
Speaker 1: new start, you know. And I understand like, oh, maybe

1574
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 1: it's going to take you know, two or three years

1575
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: to rebuild again or maybe longer, but like that's what

1576
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 1: we're looking at anyway, you know.

1577
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 7: Right, And it's not like Bill Scott like six seven,

1578
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 7: eight years, like I mean you know, it's it's got

1579
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 7: to happen the next few years.

1580
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 4: And that's a big part of it for me. Like

1581
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 4: if you were fifty five, I would say, yeah, give

1582
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:43,560
Speaker 4: him a chance to fix this.

1583
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 15: Yeah, totally different conversation.

1584
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:47,719
Speaker 4: But he's said he's going to be seventy two in April.

1585
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 4: I just don't know if he'll be around, you.

1586
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 1: Know, And you know I said it before. If we're

1587
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:56,760
Speaker 1: lucky enough to get Caleb Williams or Drake may you

1588
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 1: want a coach that's going to be there with him

1589
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 1: as he grows, you know, like so they grow together,

1590
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 1: you know, you know, and and hopefully that's an offensive coach.

1591
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 1: You know, no disrespect to Gerard Mayo, but that whoever there,

1592
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 1: whoever is there on the offensive side, is with him.

1593
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 1: For you know, you don't want to be in that

1594
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 1: situation where the young quarterback is going through coordinators. It's

1595
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 1: just it's not a way to learn how to play

1596
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 1: this game. We already did that around me, all right.

1597
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 7: There is a part of me though, that, just for

1598
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 7: entertainment's sake, would love to hear the Belichick pitch of

1599
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:34,879
Speaker 7: if you wanted to stay and what he thinks needs.

1600
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 1: To give it to you, well, yeah, but I mean,

1601
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 1: I I'd love to hear love it.

1602
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 7: I mean, but I'd also say I don't want to

1603
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 7: hear the they just have to play better, Like I

1604
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 7: would like to hear the real like this is what

1605
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 7: was missing this year.

1606
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 4: I think you started to hear it a little bit,

1607
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:55,599
Speaker 4: you know, like some of the defensive players, like if

1608
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 4: we had an offense you know, you know, yeah, right

1609
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 4: in the middle of right, right right in the mid

1610
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,560
Speaker 4: of the playoff picture, and you know, you know, the

1611
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 4: turn turnovers have really really hurt us and not you know, injuries,

1612
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 4: you know, Like I think it's like I always make

1613
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:15,719
Speaker 4: fun of the Felger fact, Like you can use facts

1614
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 4: like Matthew Judar and Christian Gonzales getting hurt were two

1615
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 4: significant injuries to that defense. That's a fact. Like it's

1616
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 4: a stretch to then say instead of two and ten,

1617
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 4: you'd be ten and two, which I think some people

1618
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 4: exaggerating a little bit. Some people have sort of said,

1619
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 4: like that's the difference between competing and not competing, And

1620
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 4: it's not like just like I keep saying, like the

1621
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 4: Patriots turnover problem, right, it's not to be like they

1622
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 4: didn't lose Sunday because they didn't get shut out, because

1623
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 4: they turned the ball over all over the place. They

1624
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 4: had one fumble that was gonna precede a third and long.

1625
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 4: You know, so maybe they would have kicked a field goal.

1626
01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 4: Maybe they lose six to three instead. I don't know.

1627
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 4: But you can sit there and say they've turned the

1628
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 4: ball over a lot this year and convince yourself that's

1629
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 4: why they're two and ten. And I always say, how

1630
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 4: do I put it, Fred? They don't. They don't suck

1631
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 4: because they turn the ball over a lot. They turned

1632
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,600
Speaker 4: the ball over a lot because they suck, do you.

1633
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 1: Know what I mean?

1634
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, the players aren't good enough. And again the coach

1635
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 4: is responsible for the players.

1636
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 1: But it's someone like Maury just.

1637
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:30,680
Speaker 7: Willing to eat a two win season because because of

1638
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:32,560
Speaker 7: what the past was, and and you know, and and

1639
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 7: and not even just a two win season by itself, but.

1640
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:39,440
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, to me, it's three straight seasons, five seasons.

1641
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 7: Of going down and and and guys aren't developing, and

1642
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 7: you know, it's just it feels right now like you

1643
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 7: don't really have anything in the cupboard anymore, like there's

1644
01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 7: really nothing. I mean, you listen to Evan trying to

1645
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 7: talk about what can you hang your hat on an offense?

1646
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:53,720
Speaker 7: It's just, you know, I just and I also just

1647
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 7: think there's a bigger thing that there's just a time,

1648
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 7: like it's a certain time.

1649
01:14:56,400 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 1: It's just direction. You're driving a car and you go

1650
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 1: into a place you've never been before, this before GPS,

1651
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you find yourself in this

1652
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:08,560
Speaker 1: dirt trail. You can keep going if you want, but

1653
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 1: you probably should turn around and go in a different direction,

1654
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, And sometimes you just

1655
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 1: have to turn around and go in a different direction.

1656
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 1: And that's where we are.

1657
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1658
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 7: And part of me wonders too, of how much is

1659
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 7: you know, why did the offense kind of carry over

1660
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 7: if you know what I mean from last year? Cause

1661
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 7: it's just I can't get over how much we were

1662
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 7: just constantly lamenting Matt Patricia last year and it's just

1663
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 7: that right now it's just as an effective a Why

1664
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 7: did that carry over?

1665
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 6: You know?

1666
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 1: Is it all Max fault? I don't. I don't really

1667
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 1: think so.

1668
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 7: I mean, I think it's you know, I just I like,

1669
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 7: as I was getting that, I think you just at

1670
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 7: a certain time in sports, and it's crazy that that

1671
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 7: Bill's been here is twenty four years or whatever it is.

1672
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 7: But it's just at a certain time, you kind of

1673
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 7: it's time, you know, And that's to me what it

1674
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:56,640
Speaker 7: kind of feels like. It's just this isn't fixable in

1675
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 7: his time frame, even if we wanted him to, and

1676
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 7: he you know, we thought you would be capable of

1677
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 7: doing it.

1678
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:03,800
Speaker 8: I have a hard time thinking that he can fix

1679
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 8: this team.

1680
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 1: And you know like it. You know, I fans don't

1681
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 1: want to hear about money, But if I were the crafts,

1682
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:14,759
Speaker 1: the thing that would scare me the most is seeing

1683
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 1: on the secondary market ten dollars tickets now. Being a

1684
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 1: season ticket holder becomes an economic decision because I can't

1685
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 1: get my money back on the second Like you know,

1686
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to five games, sell the rest,

1687
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 1: and you know it's it's a break even. So why

1688
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 1: would I ever give my tickets now? If you can't

1689
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 1: do that? Now? It's an economic decision. Do I really

1690
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 1: want to hold on? Take a loss? Every year? And

1691
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 1: you know, these waiting less people, you get the phone call,

1692
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 1: you're up, I don't know, you know, I know interesting,

1693
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 1: I know I've been waiting for twenty years, but yeah, no,

1694
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 1: I'm on the way. And that's if I'm really, if

1695
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 1: I'm the Craft, I'm worried about that. And not to

1696
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 1: say that you fire Bill and all of a sudden

1697
01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 1: you're going to be good again. No, but you would

1698
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 1: still in your fan base. You you draft that quarterback high,

1699
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 1: you have a new GM who's you know, taking you know,

1700
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 1: getting guys in free agency that are exciting, and you're

1701
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 1: instilling hopeing to your fan base and they're saying, okay,

1702
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 1: you know, yeah right now, there's none of that, And

1703
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 1: that would scare me if I was the.

1704
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 7: Crest and that and that goes to my point earlier

1705
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 7: of you need that number one pick quarterback that you're

1706
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 7: gonna trots out there and in April and say here

1707
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 7: we go. This is you know, and I mean I

1708
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 7: felt it with Mac even you know, with Bill not

1709
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:35,400
Speaker 7: even in question at that point. You know, just with

1710
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:37,639
Speaker 7: having Mac out there, I got a first round quarterback,

1711
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 7: there's you know, a new vibe here and you know,

1712
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 7: just you know, whatever it might be, you know, Drake,

1713
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:44,680
Speaker 7: may they roll them out there like that's you'll have

1714
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:45,639
Speaker 7: that same feeling again.

1715
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 1: You'll feel renewed and like, all right, we have a new.

1716
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 4: We're starting a new chapter with a total understanding that

1717
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 4: it may not work, like you might not get the

1718
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 4: right guy, and you may be back in that same place.

1719
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 4: Like That's why it is a cycle for the bad.

1720
01:17:57,360 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 4: You know, the Jets have done it with Donald and

1721
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 4: Sanchez and Wilson and you know you but you got

1722
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 4: to you got to get the right guy, and you

1723
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 4: got to keep trying. If you don't get it right,

1724
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:10,679
Speaker 4: you can't just I think Fred's analogy about the dirt world.

1725
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 4: You can't just keep going down the path that you

1726
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:15,639
Speaker 4: know is wrong. You need to keep trying to find

1727
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 4: that guy. I've heard a lot of the San Francisco model, right,

1728
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 4: And I heard my buddy Mike this week, Mike g

1729
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 4: Reees talk about you know, I'm kind of one, you know,

1730
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 4: talking myself into that San Francisco's model. You know what

1731
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 4: they did right, Just everybody understands what they did right.

1732
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 4: They violently traded up in the first round to use

1733
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 4: the third overall pick on a quarterback. They missed, yep.

1734
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:42,680
Speaker 4: And now they had other guys to allow them to

1735
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,560
Speaker 4: get away with those misses and ultimately plugged in a

1736
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 4: seventh round guy who was played as well as they

1737
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 4: could have ever possibly hoped that the number three overall

1738
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:53,759
Speaker 4: pick would play. So it worked.

1739
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 1: And you talk about an advanced offense, that's an advanced

1740
01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 1: offense and the parties his secret weapons. He can run it.

1741
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 1: Not not to say he's the best passer or the

1742
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 1: best run but he can run that offense. And that's

1743
01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 1: all they need is someone who can run that offense,

1744
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:14,560
Speaker 1: because every time you turn around, someone different has the

1745
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 1: ball making a play. It's it's it's a fun team

1746
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 1: to watch. That's good. He too, He is good.

1747
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:23,799
Speaker 7: Yeah, I still feel though he goes against my feeling

1748
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:25,680
Speaker 7: of what the m v P should be though. I mean,

1749
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 7: you know, it's just not the m v that's the

1750
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 7: best player or the worst team around him, you know,

1751
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:34,599
Speaker 7: the guy that has willed the like you can't give

1752
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 7: it to like the quarterback we go.

1753
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 4: I don't think he's the m v P of his team.

1754
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 4: That's why I wouldn't get I mean, I think he's

1755
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 4: like fifth on the list of his team.

1756
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree, Yeah, but yeah, it's it's it's

1757
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. Sam's in Michigan.

1758
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 4: Sam, Hey, guys, how's going Sam?

1759
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:56,720
Speaker 11: All right?

1760
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:59,520
Speaker 1: So quick question you guys gonna lose to Alabama.

1761
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 19: Mark, my sister in law actually goes to Alabama, so

1762
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 19: I kind of win either way.

1763
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 1: Okay, So next.

1764
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 19: March, Girod Mayo's the head coach. I'm sure the Crafts

1765
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 19: want a little bit of continuity. You bring in some

1766
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 19: kind of offensive minded offensive coordinator. Who again it's kind

1767
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 19: of a crap shoot.

1768
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 1: Would he's offensive minded? Yeah?

1769
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah, I do too. You have let's say the

1770
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:28,560
Speaker 19: number two or three pick one of the quarterbacks. Like

1771
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 19: you guys said earlier, it's it's it's what chance, Pennix, whoever, Williams,

1772
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 19: it doesn't matter. Do you do what Houston does last

1773
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:40,840
Speaker 19: year and you try to package move up, take a

1774
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 19: Martin Harrison junior, a Joe Alt like the tackle from

1775
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 19: penn State.

1776
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 1: Do you try to do it together?

1777
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 6: Do it a little more quickly?

1778
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 1: Do you you know what I mean?

1779
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:50,679
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1780
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:54,559
Speaker 1: Yeah? Do you get aggressive? Do you do you start,

1781
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 1: you know, spending assets in the now?

1782
01:20:57,760 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 7: I just don't know if they have the assets that

1783
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:01,680
Speaker 7: that Houston had last year to pull this kind of

1784
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 7: and I'm.

1785
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:04,600
Speaker 19: Not I don't know what kind of picks they have

1786
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 19: in the later rounds, And I'm not a talent evaluator either.

1787
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:07,560
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1788
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 19: Maybe it is worth it in this kind of draft

1789
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:11,120
Speaker 19: to keep your second and thirds, and I know the

1790
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 19: day two picks are really valuable, but I mean, Houston,

1791
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:16,080
Speaker 19: I'm not saying it's going to work every year, but

1792
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:18,760
Speaker 19: they're in a position of competer a playoff spot, and

1793
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 19: then it seems to work out well for them.

1794
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, I just I think the thing scares me is

1795
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:25,400
Speaker 7: just trying to get cute and overthink it, and it's

1796
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:27,560
Speaker 7: just you just you know, don't don't don't do that,

1797
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:28,680
Speaker 7: think about what you need.

1798
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:29,679
Speaker 1: You need a quarterback.

1799
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 7: I mean it's you know, as much as people want

1800
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:33,800
Speaker 7: Marvin Harrison Junior, I just I like and I get it,

1801
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 7: like he's good and I'm sure it'll be exciting, but

1802
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:38,080
Speaker 7: also it's just I look at like that out of

1803
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 7: the field after you introduce the draft pick, and it's like,

1804
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 7: the quarterback is the biggest position in this game, and

1805
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:45,720
Speaker 7: it would be yeah, it'll be fun to roll a

1806
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 7: wide receiver out there, but now it's like, so I

1807
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 7: was going to throw it to him, We're gonna be

1808
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:50,720
Speaker 7: able to protect it. You know, how many times is

1809
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 7: the game is he really going to touch the ball.

1810
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 7: And you know, I like, I'd love to have him

1811
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 7: on the team, but I just don't get cute. The

1812
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:58,760
Speaker 7: quarterback is the thing, and and until otherwise, you don't

1813
01:21:58,760 --> 01:21:59,680
Speaker 7: have a quarterback right now?

1814
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 1: Thanks Sam, all right, a lot of emails coming in

1815
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 1: a lot of emails, Joe writes in he says, do

1816
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 1: we owe Matt Patrician apology? Could it be that he

1817
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 1: was not so inept? Even a great chef or a

1818
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:20,520
Speaker 1: good chef can't make a decent dinner with dollar store groceries.

1819
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:22,840
Speaker 4: I think you might owe him an apology if you

1820
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:26,600
Speaker 4: were really like like like Fred's whole thing. But he

1821
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 4: didn't do a good job coordinating in the offense, much

1822
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:30,599
Speaker 4: like Billy Oh is not doing a great job right now.

1823
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 1: I said he deserved to thank you.

1824
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it. That's silly, But no, it isn't. Yes

1825
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 4: it is.

1826
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:38,600
Speaker 1: Why does he deserve a thank you for forgiving it

1827
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:40,719
Speaker 1: his all in something he had never done before?

1828
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 4: He was asked to do a job, Thanks for trying,

1829
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 4: and yeah.

1830
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:46,720
Speaker 1: And he gave it his all, and you know he

1831
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:47,679
Speaker 1: was a good soldier.

1832
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 4: And then he you know nothing about first of all,

1833
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 4: you know nothing about how hard he tried, he tried hard. No,

1834
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 4: you don't.

1835
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:55,280
Speaker 1: Why how do you know?

1836
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 4: How do you know? It's all I'm saying, work for Bill,

1837
01:22:58,520 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 4: you try hard.

1838
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 1: You know, that's just the way it is.

1839
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:03,640
Speaker 4: Some guys in the locker room right now that might

1840
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 4: disagree with you.

1841
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:08,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm talking about coaches. They don't. There's no lack

1842
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:08,559
Speaker 1: of effort.

1843
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 7: But if Bill were to stay here, like, can you

1844
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:11,760
Speaker 7: imagine him saying we're going to bring in a new

1845
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:13,600
Speaker 7: offensive coordinator for a third year in a row, Like,

1846
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:15,639
Speaker 7: would you have any expectation that will look any different

1847
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:18,639
Speaker 7: unless they had significantly better personnel.

1848
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:21,759
Speaker 4: Here's the thing is, are they going to bring someone

1849
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 4: from outside who's going to bring in an entirely different

1850
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 4: offense than I could? I could wrap my mind around that,

1851
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 4: But I think part of the problem is the system.

1852
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:33,599
Speaker 7: Well that's and I mean and I beyond even the system.

1853
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 7: I just questioned the overall philosophy and if no matter

1854
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:38,720
Speaker 7: who that offensive corner, because I felt like Billy Oh

1855
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:42,400
Speaker 7: had he wasn't like Josh who was just completely enmeshed

1856
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 7: and grain in this system. I don't know, I just

1857
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:47,400
Speaker 7: I think even if you bring in the hot shot,

1858
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 7: which whiz kid under Bill with the philosophy of how

1859
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 7: they want to play, it might kind of look the same,

1860
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 7: or at least they would, you know, they wouldn't be infesting.

1861
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 4: To hear all the talk recently about and I think

1862
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 4: this is part when things go bad, Guys get their

1863
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 4: messages out there to people. But a lot of talk

1864
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 4: from like Burt Breer, Ted Johnson and those guys talking about,

1865
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 4: you know, how handcuffed Billy Oh has been right, you know,

1866
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 4: like he's and I do get them, but you know,

1867
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:19,879
Speaker 4: absolutely Freddy and I do think there's probably some similance

1868
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:22,519
Speaker 4: of truth to it because I just listening to Bill

1869
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 4: Belichick pound and pound and pound away at the turnovers. Yeah,

1870
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 4: like that's a hard way to play. I wrote in

1871
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 4: my notes that posted this morning, like it's one thing

1872
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 4: to not turn the ball over. That's great, But the

1873
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:37,599
Speaker 4: quarterback's job isn't to just not turn it over. It's

1874
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 4: to make plays too, not just avoid bad ones.

1875
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 1: He goes in there petrified to make a mistake. That's

1876
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:43,680
Speaker 1: no way to go.

1877
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 4: And I thought that some of those sacks on Sunday

1878
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:50,599
Speaker 4: were examples where he wasn't willing to try to make

1879
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 4: a play, and he was holding the ball too long.

1880
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:55,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tim and Phoenix. BB is playing chess with checker

1881
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 1: pieces and wondering why it's not working. It's a case

1882
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:02,600
Speaker 1: after can't two and not a case of want to.

1883
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 1: It's a case of okay, I can't not want. He

1884
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:08,599
Speaker 1: has stated over and over his job is to put

1885
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 1: players in the best position to succeed. Not all players

1886
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:14,600
Speaker 1: are created equal. Asking current player actual to play like

1887
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 1: former awesome patriot is not putting said current player into

1888
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 1: a position to succeed. I have a theory on the drafting.

1889
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 1: In the last ten years, he's drafted players he wants

1890
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:26,640
Speaker 1: to work with. To me, this is meaning he is

1891
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 1: taking players that don't push back like LT did insert

1892
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 1: great player here. He's drafted and staffed a bunch of

1893
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:37,760
Speaker 1: yes men. Iron sharpens iron cliches.

1894
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:40,080
Speaker 8: I don't know, I don't.

1895
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:42,960
Speaker 7: I mean, I bristle a little bit. It's just like

1896
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:45,680
Speaker 7: he only wants sick of fans to do what he wants. Like,

1897
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 7: I mean, I just I like, and I know that

1898
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 7: that doesn't necessarily fit the narrative, but I just I

1899
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:52,320
Speaker 7: think it just comes down to the players. I just

1900
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 7: think they don't have enough good players. They haven't drafted,

1901
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:58,720
Speaker 7: and their whole structure has gotten completely upset. And then

1902
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:01,800
Speaker 7: right now it's beyond fixing. It's not like, oh, we

1903
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 7: had a bad draft. It's like you've had multiple bad

1904
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 7: drafts strong in a row. Right now you're getting nothing.

1905
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:10,320
Speaker 7: I mean, you have no one left from the twenty

1906
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 7: nineteen draft class.

1907
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:11,920
Speaker 8: Like those things.

1908
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 1: It's just.

1909
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 8: I don't know, I don't know where to point it.

1910
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,320
Speaker 4: I just I, well, I think it's even letting him

1911
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 4: off the hook in a little way, you know, like, well,

1912
01:26:20,280 --> 01:26:22,160
Speaker 4: you know, he's playing, and I know that part of

1913
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 4: it is all the cliches like that the email are

1914
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:28,720
Speaker 4: cleverly you know, sort of worked into that email, you know,

1915
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:35,679
Speaker 4: but there's playing checker chests with checker pieces like that's coaching.

1916
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:37,560
Speaker 4: Like you can't just say, well, this is what I do,

1917
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 4: and I adapt my what I do to the talent

1918
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 4: that I have and then not do that, you know.

1919
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:44,760
Speaker 4: And I think that one of the things that made

1920
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 4: Bill so successful, you know, during the glory years and

1921
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:51,760
Speaker 4: during the run was they and we talked about this

1922
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 4: when we're you know, sort of before when we're talking

1923
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:56,120
Speaker 4: about the two thousand and three season that you're working

1924
01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:59,679
Speaker 4: on a podcast for you know, commemorating the two thousand

1925
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 4: and three championship. They always were able to find a

1926
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 4: way to beat you, regardless of whichever way you wanted

1927
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 4: to play, and I think Bill was willing and able

1928
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 4: to adapt to the sort of three yards and a

1929
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:17,879
Speaker 4: cloud of dust that started the dynasty toward a transition

1930
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 4: toward a more wide open game where they're by design

1931
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:24,800
Speaker 4: throwing the ball fifty times in a game, not because

1932
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:26,560
Speaker 4: they had to, because they felt like that was what

1933
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 4: was best. They could beat you throwing it, They could

1934
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 4: beat you running it, they could beat you in a

1935
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 4: defensive battle, they could beat you in a shootout. And

1936
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 4: now I don't feel like that they operate that way anymore.

1937
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 4: I don't think that they have more ways to win,

1938
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 4: and I think it's by design they want to keep

1939
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:43,680
Speaker 4: the score down and try to win that way. And

1940
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:46,560
Speaker 4: I just don't think, you know, and that's part of

1941
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:49,080
Speaker 4: like the score down the last couple of weeks. And

1942
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:51,400
Speaker 4: I'm not telling you the other team should have had

1943
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:53,360
Speaker 4: thirty points, because they shouldn't have all three of them.

1944
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 4: I mean, especially the Giants had no no offense whatsoever,

1945
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:02,599
Speaker 4: with a third string, undrafted rookie. I mean as an argument, Okay,

1946
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 4: if taekwon, Thoorton takes that end around to the house,

1947
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 4: which he almost did, do you think they win the

1948
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 4: game seven six?

1949
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 8: Maybe?

1950
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1951
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 4: I don't think there was any chance that you know,

1952
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:15,719
Speaker 4: now they might have won the game, but not seven

1953
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 4: to six. That wouldn't have been the end of the scoring.

1954
01:28:17,479 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I I have trouble getting there.

1955
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 1: But I mean, I know what point you're making.

1956
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:24,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, I think it's one thing to say he's

1957
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:27,600
Speaker 4: playing chess and again I know the emailers making the

1958
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:30,760
Speaker 4: making a joke, but he's playing chess with checker pieces. Well,

1959
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 4: it's his job to find what those checker pieces, no, no,

1960
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 4: what the checker pieces can do and put them in

1961
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 4: the best position to succeed. Not like well I used

1962
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 4: to put Teddy Bruski here and he did this, But

1963
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 4: Julini Tavai can't do that. Do you know what I mean, Julie,

1964
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:48,479
Speaker 4: I think had a terrific season.

1965
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:53,519
Speaker 1: Evan great from Zappy. Evan Zach is back from Zappy.

1966
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 1: Now Evan is from Maam, Yes, sir, yes, ma'am. What

1967
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:00,280
Speaker 1: did he say? Yes?

1968
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:02,200
Speaker 4: Serious man like that's that's all I, me and you.

1969
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:04,640
Speaker 4: We we stepped all over from That was brilliant. That

1970
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:05,599
Speaker 4: was that was our bad.

1971
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 1: He kept going.

1972
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:09,599
Speaker 4: The ending was the best part. Yes, and were stepping

1973
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:10,720
Speaker 4: on him. I feel bad.

1974
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 8: Now, come on, guys, we had so much in the tank.

1975
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 1: He kept going, well, uh.

1976
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:19,679
Speaker 3: ZAPPI said in not so much words, not that it's

1977
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 3: surprising whatsoever, but that he's starting on Thursday.

1978
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:29,280
Speaker 1: He wouldn't be talking you guys. Guess what he was like, like, I.

1979
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:32,560
Speaker 3: Would say, you know, I forget, I don't want to

1980
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:35,639
Speaker 3: put words, I forget the exact phrasing. But he said

1981
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 3: he was gonna leave it up to Bill to make

1982
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:40,760
Speaker 3: that announcement, but that you could kind of tell that.

1983
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 4: He was like, that would have been funny if you said, yeah,

1984
01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:44,640
Speaker 4: I'm starting and then Buill didn't start him.

1985
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:48,519
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm I'm feeling that that the winds are blowing

1986
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 3: that way sort of response. But I thought that in general.

1987
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:56,800
Speaker 3: Andrew Callahan asked him, like, what were some of the

1988
01:29:56,880 --> 01:30:01,640
Speaker 3: positives from the film, and his big positive was procedurally,

1989
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:04,000
Speaker 3: they were pretty good, like.

1990
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:05,639
Speaker 8: They feel like trolling questions.

1991
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:10,719
Speaker 3: Week called the plays right, got out of the huddle,

1992
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 3: got to.

1993
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:13,519
Speaker 4: The we had one delay game and one time out

1994
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:14,759
Speaker 4: we had to take to avoid another.

1995
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:18,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, those types of things. He said that. You know,

1996
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 3: someone asked him about all the all the ISO deep

1997
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:25,280
Speaker 3: shots to DeVante Parker, and he said that a halftime

1998
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:27,280
Speaker 3: that was an emphasis that they wanted to push the

1999
01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:28,960
Speaker 3: ball down the field a little bit more.

2000
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:32,760
Speaker 8: Uh, I done, Like, buddy, we scored six points.

2001
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 1: There wasn't too much good. Come on, what are we

2002
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:34,479
Speaker 1: talking about?

2003
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:34,559
Speaker 9: Well?

2004
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 3: Zero, they scored zero.

2005
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:38,240
Speaker 1: Zero points.

2006
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:41,680
Speaker 3: Some of the deep shots to Parker, I thought, and

2007
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 3: I mentioned this in after further review, that a little

2008
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 3: bit of tunnel vision, you know, just kind of I

2009
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:49,280
Speaker 3: guess he's trying to make a play and trying to

2010
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:52,879
Speaker 3: make something happen, But I thought there were better options elsewhere.

2011
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 4: They called a deep shot, and you were the quarterback,

2012
01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:58,439
Speaker 4: would you look anywhere but the deep shot, because I

2013
01:30:58,479 --> 01:30:59,920
Speaker 4: wouldn't but see that, I guess.

2014
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:02,080
Speaker 7: Would run the offense as it is meant to be run.

2015
01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:04,040
Speaker 1: Paul, he would go through his progression.

2016
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 3: I guess that's like to the issues with what they're

2017
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:15,280
Speaker 3: calling right now, is that like they're just they would

2018
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:18,519
Speaker 3: always argue that unless it's a screen, this is what Bill.

2019
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:23,040
Speaker 20: Always there's no intended receiver, but yet he's hitting his

2020
01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:25,720
Speaker 20: back foot and he's chucking it to DeVante Parker, so

2021
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 20: obviously he's being told to let's just take a few

2022
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:31,000
Speaker 20: shots here and see what happens sort of thing.

2023
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:34,080
Speaker 3: And he's not reading out the rest of the play.

2024
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 3: And I thought it was a good question against Taylor

2025
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:39,599
Speaker 3: Kyle's and he just said, well, we said at halftime

2026
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:41,599
Speaker 3: we wanted to take some shots, so we started taking

2027
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 3: some shots.

2028
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:45,599
Speaker 1: Was he in a good mood? A little?

2029
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:45,800
Speaker 6: You know?

2030
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:47,800
Speaker 3: I think all these Thursdays are tough.

2031
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:49,320
Speaker 4: They're tough.

2032
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:50,240
Speaker 1: What was he wearing?

2033
01:31:51,320 --> 01:31:53,479
Speaker 3: Patriot hoodie? I don't know which one. I'm not gonna

2034
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:55,000
Speaker 3: steal Deuce his thunder.

2035
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:55,680
Speaker 1: And I think you can't do.

2036
01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:59,639
Speaker 3: But I you know, it's a tough week. I think

2037
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 3: guys are energy levels a little down.

2038
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:03,839
Speaker 1: A lot of media there.

2039
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:06,320
Speaker 3: Tons of media, really packed house.

2040
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:07,280
Speaker 1: You're kidding me.

2041
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:12,400
Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you. I couldn't tell. There wasn't a

2042
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:14,480
Speaker 3: seat available in the place.

2043
01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:16,479
Speaker 16: There.

2044
01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:20,679
Speaker 4: That's it, though, Well, there's only one day, no Celtics.

2045
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 3: There's no one day of media availability this week, No Celtics,

2046
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:27,120
Speaker 3: no Bruins, So I guess everybody.

2047
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:32,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, off season, all right, all right, So as promised,

2048
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:36,160
Speaker 1: we're going to do picks today because tomorrow is going

2049
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:39,920
Speaker 1: to be just Paul and Deuce tomorrow.

2050
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:41,720
Speaker 4: I think tomorrow might stop buying.

2051
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:48,000
Speaker 1: But and okay, Evan and I will did did Paul?

2052
01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:52,080
Speaker 1: Okay that uh, Evan and I will be on a

2053
01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:56,759
Speaker 1: bus to Pittsburgh going to the airport. So we figured

2054
01:32:56,800 --> 01:33:01,280
Speaker 1: we get this out of the way today. Callers, though, Paul,

2055
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:02,639
Speaker 1: what happened last week?

2056
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:08,160
Speaker 4: Let's see last week it was Alex and Evan nine

2057
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 4: and four. Yeah, there you go, Paul and Mike eight

2058
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:18,200
Speaker 4: and five and Fred seven and six. With the spread,

2059
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:22,040
Speaker 4: it was Evan and Paul nine and four, Alex eight

2060
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 4: and five, Mike six and seven, and Fred five and eight.

2061
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:26,960
Speaker 2: Tough.

2062
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:31,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, season standings, Alex extends your lead by a game

2063
01:33:32,360 --> 01:33:35,519
Speaker 4: one twenty five and sixty eight. Paul won twenty and

2064
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:39,519
Speaker 4: seventy three, Evan won eighteen and seventy five, Mike and

2065
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:43,080
Speaker 4: Fred tied at one seventeen and seventy six. That's rough, guys.

2066
01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:45,200
Speaker 8: Do you think Alex gonna be upset when she finds

2067
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:46,640
Speaker 8: out that the result of all these this.

2068
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 1: Is just all right? You want yeah, moving on, Yeah,

2069
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:54,360
Speaker 1: no girl holds please? Uh.

2070
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:58,479
Speaker 4: Paul leading with the spread ninety eight, eighty seven and eight,

2071
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:04,719
Speaker 4: followed by Alex At ninety five, ninety and eight, Evan

2072
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:08,439
Speaker 4: ninety two, ninety three and eight, Fred ninety one, ninety

2073
01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 4: four and eight, and Mike eighty six.

2074
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:15,920
Speaker 3: I'm ninety ninety three and eight. So I'm one game.

2075
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:20,839
Speaker 1: You gotta get above five hundreds, you know, man, college scholars.

2076
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:23,200
Speaker 1: College tuition is on the line.

2077
01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 4: So that's where we stand.

2078
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:24,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2079
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:25,040
Speaker 8: For who your dog?

2080
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:26,479
Speaker 1: For future kids?

2081
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:27,760
Speaker 4: Who are your father?

2082
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:31,840
Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna skip over the Patriots tonight Thursday night.

2083
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:35,240
Speaker 1: I should say, I'm all mixed up Tuesday for Thursday stuff.

2084
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 1: And we'll go to one o'clock on Sunday. The five

2085
01:34:38,479 --> 01:34:41,439
Speaker 1: and seven Bucks are at the six and six.

2086
01:34:41,439 --> 01:34:45,880
Speaker 4: Falcons, Atlanta by two and a half. Battle for the

2087
01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:47,120
Speaker 4: NFC South.

2088
01:34:48,280 --> 01:34:51,160
Speaker 1: Where's the lead? Where's the game at Atlanta? Atlanta?

2089
01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:56,320
Speaker 7: I'll go with Atlanta. I'm all thrown off, I don't

2090
01:34:56,320 --> 01:34:58,800
Speaker 7: know my sheet. I'm gonna go with Atlanta and I'll

2091
01:34:58,880 --> 01:34:59,519
Speaker 7: lay the points.

2092
01:34:59,680 --> 01:34:59,920
Speaker 1: Please.

2093
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:06,240
Speaker 4: Hey, we will get Alex's at another time. So Evan, I'm.

2094
01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:09,320
Speaker 3: Gonna go Atlanta two at home and I have them

2095
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:10,400
Speaker 3: by three, so it was two and.

2096
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:11,479
Speaker 4: A half, right, correct?

2097
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:13,280
Speaker 3: I get the Falcons, Falcons, Falcons.

2098
01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm having a hard time with the Falcons all year.

2099
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:18,240
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna be with the boys here and take

2100
01:35:18,240 --> 01:35:18,839
Speaker 4: the Falcons.

2101
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:22,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the Falcons as well, both ways.

2102
01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 4: I thought for sure someone would take Tampa. No, probably Alex,

2103
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:27,080
Speaker 4: she's leading.

2104
01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:29,439
Speaker 1: The Falcons are the new Lions when it comes to picking,

2105
01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:31,080
Speaker 1: so you can never win with them.

2106
01:35:32,200 --> 01:35:34,040
Speaker 3: What happened to you and Baker? You guys break up?

2107
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:34,920
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2108
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:37,200
Speaker 4: Big win. Last week.

2109
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:41,479
Speaker 1: Sunday at one on Fox, the six and six Rams

2110
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:43,440
Speaker 1: are at the nine and three Ravens.

2111
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:45,280
Speaker 4: Ravens by seven and a half.

2112
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:47,840
Speaker 1: Oh, I like that one.

2113
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:49,760
Speaker 8: Y'all.

2114
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:52,200
Speaker 7: Take the Ravens to win, but I'm gonna take the

2115
01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:53,719
Speaker 7: points please for the ROMs.

2116
01:35:56,960 --> 01:36:00,240
Speaker 3: I like the Ravens and I'm gonna take them both ways.

2117
01:36:00,240 --> 01:36:01,360
Speaker 3: I think the Ravens are really good.

2118
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:07,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, coming off the bye too. Yeah, I'm gonna take

2119
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:10,840
Speaker 4: the Ravens and lay the points. With the Rams having

2120
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:12,280
Speaker 4: to come all the way across the country, and I

2121
01:36:12,360 --> 01:36:14,120
Speaker 4: think they're just okay. I don't think they're ready for

2122
01:36:14,160 --> 01:36:14,639
Speaker 4: the Ravens.

2123
01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:18,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the Ravens, but I will take the points.

2124
01:36:18,600 --> 01:36:21,360
Speaker 7: Here you go, yep, I don't think you're ready for

2125
01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:24,719
Speaker 7: I don't think you're ready for the Raven's not about

2126
01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:25,360
Speaker 7: taking the hook.

2127
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:30,280
Speaker 1: Fox Sunday at one nine and three, Lions are at

2128
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:30,880
Speaker 1: the four.

2129
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:34,679
Speaker 4: And eight Bears Detroit by three and a half.

2130
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:39,280
Speaker 7: Wow, it's not a very very small Yeah, I think

2131
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:42,600
Speaker 7: it is the Lions. Yeah, I'm gonna just take it

2132
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 7: if it's available.

2133
01:36:43,720 --> 01:36:46,960
Speaker 8: Lions, layam, Sure that's right, Paul.

2134
01:36:47,120 --> 01:36:50,920
Speaker 3: Well, the Bears just beat the Lions not too long ago.

2135
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:52,439
Speaker 4: Well, they should have beaten the Lions.

2136
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:54,679
Speaker 1: But it's hard to be choking twice in the same

2137
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:57,120
Speaker 1: They choked it away by giving up two scores in

2138
01:36:57,160 --> 01:36:59,760
Speaker 1: the last five minutes. I checked out in the five minute.

2139
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:02,640
Speaker 1: That's memory. They're gonna win. They But I like the.

2140
01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:05,080
Speaker 3: Lions both ways in this game. I think that that

2141
01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:07,400
Speaker 3: was a one game type of thing.

2142
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:09,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do too, and I will take the Lions

2143
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:12,719
Speaker 4: both ways. But uh, I mean, Detroit is not trending

2144
01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:14,639
Speaker 4: in the right direction. They should have lost to Chicago.

2145
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:17,599
Speaker 4: They kind of got manhandled by Green Bay. Then they

2146
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:19,760
Speaker 4: almost blew a huge lead against New Orleans so they're

2147
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:20,439
Speaker 4: not playing well.

2148
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:23,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got the Chicago and Green Bay games like

2149
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:24,679
Speaker 3: kind of Yeah.

2150
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:26,360
Speaker 4: Nine and three is nine and three.

2151
01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:28,719
Speaker 1: I will go with the Lions both ways.

2152
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:32,360
Speaker 4: I think this one's a layup, So roll on the Lions.

2153
01:37:32,439 --> 01:37:35,680
Speaker 1: Seven and five. Colts is Sunday at one at the

2154
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:38,880
Speaker 1: six and six Bengals coming off a big Monday.

2155
01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:39,960
Speaker 4: Night win Colts by one.

2156
01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:42,120
Speaker 7: It's a weird one.

2157
01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:45,080
Speaker 1: So Browning is Browning, Nagel gonna be Browning.

2158
01:37:45,160 --> 01:37:45,400
Speaker 6: Guys.

2159
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:49,760
Speaker 1: Name is Jake Jake Browning. All right, let's go for it.

2160
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:53,040
Speaker 7: I'm gonna go Jake Jake Browning Mania I'll take I'll

2161
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:55,479
Speaker 7: think the Bengals and I'll I'll take that point.

2162
01:37:57,120 --> 01:38:00,360
Speaker 3: I also like the Bengals both ways. I think that

2163
01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:02,360
Speaker 3: they have something brewing with Browning.

2164
01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:03,400
Speaker 1: Oh, I like that.

2165
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:08,000
Speaker 4: I will take the Colts short week the Cincinnati feeling

2166
01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:11,400
Speaker 4: good about themselves. Yeah, I think it might be a

2167
01:38:11,439 --> 01:38:11,800
Speaker 4: one off.

2168
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:15,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna go with the Colts as well, just

2169
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:16,719
Speaker 1: because wrong.

2170
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:18,599
Speaker 4: I wish I liked more about the Colts to feel

2171
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:19,439
Speaker 4: good about that pick.

2172
01:38:19,560 --> 01:38:24,040
Speaker 1: But Sunday at one, eight and four Jaguars, probably without

2173
01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:28,120
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, are at these seven and five Browns.

2174
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:29,919
Speaker 3: Without all their quarterbacks.

2175
01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:33,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I played well, just left.

2176
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:36,599
Speaker 4: Browns by one and a half until the end.

2177
01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:39,840
Speaker 1: Has pretty some uncertainty there. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna

2178
01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:42,439
Speaker 1: go with the Browns and I'll lay the point I have.

2179
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:45,519
Speaker 3: I have a Browns minus three. But maybe the line

2180
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:47,960
Speaker 3: moved because of Trevor Lawrence, but it could be.

2181
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:50,800
Speaker 4: I just went this morning and went on DraftKings one

2182
01:38:50,840 --> 01:38:52,200
Speaker 4: of the Cleveland by one and a half.

2183
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:55,240
Speaker 3: I'm taking the Jaguars, not because I like C. J.

2184
01:38:55,360 --> 01:38:57,720
Speaker 3: Bethard that much, but I just think that's a really

2185
01:38:57,760 --> 01:39:00,839
Speaker 3: good team and they'll kind of rally around the quarterback

2186
01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:02,599
Speaker 3: and pick them up and carry him. Here.

2187
01:39:02,680 --> 01:39:05,640
Speaker 4: Have we heard anything more about Lawrence.

2188
01:39:05,479 --> 01:39:06,280
Speaker 3: High ankle spring?

2189
01:39:06,479 --> 01:39:08,160
Speaker 4: Okay, so I will take Cleveland.

2190
01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:11,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I take Cleveland in their defense at home.

2191
01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:15,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, their defense is ridiculous at home. I agree, Freddy.

2192
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:19,920
Speaker 1: Sunday at one Fox the one at eleven Panthers are

2193
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:21,440
Speaker 1: at the five and seven.

2194
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:23,559
Speaker 4: Saints Nolans by five and a half.

2195
01:39:24,479 --> 01:39:28,320
Speaker 1: Panthers, All right, this is your upset pick of the week, folks.

2196
01:39:30,160 --> 01:39:31,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the Panthers.

2197
01:39:31,320 --> 01:39:33,720
Speaker 4: Though I really am to win outright, to win.

2198
01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:35,280
Speaker 8: Yep, I'm gonna go with the Panthers.

2199
01:39:35,479 --> 01:39:38,920
Speaker 1: Want one overall. I believe it'll will it into.

2200
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:40,120
Speaker 8: Assistance so I can take.

2201
01:39:41,439 --> 01:39:46,240
Speaker 3: Whatever we're Now we're now picking teams for the Patriots

2202
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:48,559
Speaker 3: to lose. Like you know, before it was like, oh,

2203
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:51,400
Speaker 3: who do we need to lose for the Stadia the

2204
01:39:51,479 --> 01:39:54,120
Speaker 3: number one pick or number one you know seed. Now

2205
01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:55,040
Speaker 3: we're the number one pick.

2206
01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:56,400
Speaker 6: I am.

2207
01:39:57,040 --> 01:40:00,280
Speaker 3: So this might be Jameis Winston for the Saints. Car

2208
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:01,320
Speaker 3: got knocked out of that.

2209
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:04,840
Speaker 4: Game concussion and like short amount of yeah.

2210
01:40:04,680 --> 01:40:07,280
Speaker 3: So I don't think he's playing. I too, am gonna

2211
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:10,800
Speaker 3: take the Carolina Panthers and an upset. And maybe that's

2212
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:13,559
Speaker 3: my heart picking, but it's my head is saying Panthers.

2213
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:15,800
Speaker 4: I will take the Saints both ways.

2214
01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:18,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's rare that I can pick an obvious game

2215
01:40:18,439 --> 01:40:20,720
Speaker 1: because others are betting with their heart. Usually it's the

2216
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:24,000
Speaker 1: other way around. I'm picking the Saints both ways. Uh.

2217
01:40:24,200 --> 01:40:27,920
Speaker 1: Sunday at one CBS, the seven and five Texans are

2218
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:28,960
Speaker 1: at the four and eight.

2219
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:31,360
Speaker 4: Jets Houston by six and a half.

2220
01:40:32,439 --> 01:40:33,000
Speaker 1: Oh boy.

2221
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:36,439
Speaker 7: Uh sounds like trying to go back and going back

2222
01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:39,920
Speaker 7: if they can force him back into the game. I

2223
01:40:39,960 --> 01:40:41,640
Speaker 7: don't know, not good, hard to take the Jets. I'm

2224
01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:43,880
Speaker 7: gonna I'm gonna take the Texans and I will lay

2225
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:44,280
Speaker 7: the points.

2226
01:40:44,479 --> 01:40:45,280
Speaker 8: Crazy though, So.

2227
01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:50,439
Speaker 3: The Jets have also signed Brent Rippin Ripens, so he's

2228
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:50,880
Speaker 3: now on.

2229
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:53,000
Speaker 1: Their their relation.

2230
01:40:53,400 --> 01:40:58,120
Speaker 3: I've heard of Mark. Yeah, right, it's his uncle. Yeah,

2231
01:40:58,400 --> 01:41:01,240
Speaker 3: we went back that would be any trick we went

2232
01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:01,840
Speaker 3: backwards on.

2233
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:06,280
Speaker 1: That one family. Yeah, wo.

2234
01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:12,000
Speaker 3: Mark Rippon. I don't know why it's so weird.

2235
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:15,920
Speaker 1: Somebody tell me, I forget what that sudden We've gone

2236
01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:16,640
Speaker 1: to Appalachia.

2237
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:19,760
Speaker 3: I am taking the Texans here, but I'm going to

2238
01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:22,000
Speaker 3: take the Jets to cover. I think their defense keeps

2239
01:41:22,040 --> 01:41:22,519
Speaker 3: it close.

2240
01:41:23,040 --> 01:41:28,320
Speaker 4: I agree with Evan. I think the Jets. If I

2241
01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:31,439
Speaker 4: hate to say this, but Zach Wilson played last week,

2242
01:41:31,479 --> 01:41:35,040
Speaker 4: they probably would have won. I will take the Texans

2243
01:41:35,120 --> 01:41:37,000
Speaker 4: to win the game somehow, but I'll take the six

2244
01:41:37,080 --> 01:41:37,439
Speaker 4: and a half.

2245
01:41:37,680 --> 01:41:39,519
Speaker 1: A good reason to watch this game is just to

2246
01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:42,920
Speaker 1: see how CJ. Stroud does against this really good defense

2247
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:45,639
Speaker 1: against the Jets. I'm going to go with the Texans

2248
01:41:45,680 --> 01:41:47,639
Speaker 1: to cover in this game.

2249
01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:53,920
Speaker 4: So there, Why do you like? Why is it personal

2250
01:41:53,960 --> 01:41:55,559
Speaker 4: affront every time you make a pick?

2251
01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:56,360
Speaker 1: So there?

2252
01:41:58,200 --> 01:42:03,559
Speaker 4: That one in your pocket. What you said, not the pick? Yeah,

2253
01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:05,280
Speaker 4: Mike picked the same thing as you.

2254
01:42:05,479 --> 01:42:08,639
Speaker 1: I'm not. I just think, you know, how are these

2255
01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:11,800
Speaker 1: young guys doing? And you want to see them tested? Yeah?

2256
01:42:12,240 --> 01:42:12,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was.

2257
01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:17,360
Speaker 1: We'll get to Uh okay, let's it for the one

2258
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:21,280
Speaker 1: one o'clock games four oh five, of which there are two,

2259
01:42:22,040 --> 01:42:25,839
Speaker 1: six and six Vikings are at the five and seven Raiders.

2260
01:42:26,720 --> 01:42:31,439
Speaker 4: Uh Minnesota by three. Man, So we got one, two, three, four, four,

2261
01:42:31,640 --> 01:42:32,840
Speaker 4: four o'clock four.

2262
01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:35,439
Speaker 1: In the late afternoons. Be living your best life?

2263
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:35,760
Speaker 7: Pause?

2264
01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:35,960
Speaker 3: Right?

2265
01:42:36,280 --> 01:42:37,640
Speaker 1: So you know me?

2266
01:42:37,800 --> 01:42:37,840
Speaker 6: So?

2267
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:38,400
Speaker 1: Well? Guy?

2268
01:42:38,840 --> 01:42:44,240
Speaker 4: How many are there four games? We're going quad box.

2269
01:42:44,280 --> 01:42:46,360
Speaker 7: I'm getting a little bit of a Spider Man meme

2270
01:42:46,439 --> 01:42:50,840
Speaker 7: on this game here, Vikings Raiders, and I'm gonna say the.

2271
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:53,160
Speaker 4: Number three Minnesota by three.

2272
01:42:53,320 --> 01:42:55,120
Speaker 1: God, this tough teams.

2273
01:42:55,160 --> 01:42:56,800
Speaker 8: I'm gonna go with the Raiders. I'll go with the

2274
01:42:56,880 --> 01:42:58,280
Speaker 8: Raiders at home with the upset.

2275
01:42:58,479 --> 01:42:58,679
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2276
01:42:58,880 --> 01:42:59,360
Speaker 1: I don't know why.

2277
01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:02,360
Speaker 4: I'm surprised one's talked about this spread like that spread

2278
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:03,160
Speaker 4: seems weird to me.

2279
01:43:03,439 --> 01:43:06,960
Speaker 3: I just I do both these teams think. I don't know,

2280
01:43:07,080 --> 01:43:09,240
Speaker 3: I'm going Raiders at home just because they're at home.

2281
01:43:09,360 --> 01:43:11,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna do the same thing as Mike and

2282
01:43:11,479 --> 01:43:13,479
Speaker 4: Evan for the same reason. Evan just said, I just

2283
01:43:13,560 --> 01:43:16,439
Speaker 4: think it's two kind of struggling teams and the home

2284
01:43:16,479 --> 01:43:18,559
Speaker 4: team is getting three points. I think it's weird.

2285
01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:20,360
Speaker 1: But are the Raiders ever home?

2286
01:43:21,400 --> 01:43:22,960
Speaker 4: That could be too. Maybe they look at it as

2287
01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:24,640
Speaker 4: they don't really have much of it. Maybe that's it

2288
01:43:24,840 --> 01:43:26,280
Speaker 4: this Minnesota travel.

2289
01:43:25,960 --> 01:43:28,120
Speaker 1: Though, I don't know, it's not really anything to get

2290
01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:28,920
Speaker 1: out of Minnesota.

2291
01:43:29,120 --> 01:43:32,080
Speaker 4: That's not really a lot a lot of renbistential questions

2292
01:43:32,200 --> 01:43:35,000
Speaker 4: going on, like Dallas to Indiana just to get out

2293
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:37,439
Speaker 4: of it. Who would have thunk Detroit turned into one

2294
01:43:37,479 --> 01:43:41,120
Speaker 4: of those teams, right, Yeah, that's true. But anyway, we

2295
01:43:41,160 --> 01:43:42,080
Speaker 4: all have Vegas.

2296
01:43:42,120 --> 01:43:45,759
Speaker 1: What do you got, Freddie City, they can drive Raiders.

2297
01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:50,080
Speaker 1: Raiders four tells me that's gonna be one we go. Yeah,

2298
01:43:50,160 --> 01:43:53,320
Speaker 1: oh and four, four or five, six and six. Seahawks

2299
01:43:53,479 --> 01:43:55,800
Speaker 1: are at the nine and three forty nine.

2300
01:43:55,760 --> 01:43:57,599
Speaker 4: Ers Niners by ten and a half.

2301
01:43:58,479 --> 01:44:01,000
Speaker 1: Oh boy, yeah, I'm gonna every single one of those

2302
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:01,880
Speaker 1: ten and a half points.

2303
01:44:02,200 --> 01:44:03,240
Speaker 3: I still don't know what that means.

2304
01:44:03,479 --> 01:44:04,639
Speaker 8: They're they're really good.

2305
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:07,000
Speaker 4: For laying the point. Yeah, I means you're taking the favorite.

2306
01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:10,040
Speaker 3: Okay, thanks, Thanks for that clarification.

2307
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:18,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, sometimes he just says it, which I'm like, which

2308
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:19,600
Speaker 4: side is this?

2309
01:44:21,200 --> 01:44:24,560
Speaker 3: And so the Niners just blew out the Seahawks. But

2310
01:44:24,880 --> 01:44:26,960
Speaker 3: I watched that game and it didn't get to a

2311
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:31,360
Speaker 3: blowout stage until late in the game. Uh, still taking

2312
01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:33,000
Speaker 3: the forty nine ers both ways, So I just think

2313
01:44:33,040 --> 01:44:33,719
Speaker 3: that they're a wagon.

2314
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:36,760
Speaker 4: San Francisco tends to do that though. They just wear

2315
01:44:36,840 --> 01:44:38,080
Speaker 4: on you and by the end they.

2316
01:44:38,040 --> 01:44:41,599
Speaker 3: Getting in the playoff game last year too, against the Seahawks,

2317
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:42,200
Speaker 3: they warmed down.

2318
01:44:42,240 --> 01:44:43,760
Speaker 4: He did the same thing to Dallas. Yeah, like that

2319
01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:46,040
Speaker 4: Dallas playoff game last year was a lot closer than

2320
01:44:46,120 --> 01:44:49,439
Speaker 4: the score. I'm gonna I'm gonna do the same thing.

2321
01:44:49,479 --> 01:44:51,679
Speaker 4: I was tempted to take the points. I just don't

2322
01:44:51,680 --> 01:44:54,599
Speaker 4: think Seattle's very good. I don't think they have the pushback.

2323
01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:55,320
Speaker 4: We'll see.

2324
01:44:56,439 --> 01:44:59,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a tough game running up the flat pole.

2325
01:45:00,200 --> 01:45:05,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm gonna go with the last one.

2326
01:45:05,720 --> 01:45:07,120
Speaker 4: I have no idea what he's going to happen.

2327
01:45:07,120 --> 01:45:09,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna direction. What do you think I'm gonna pick

2328
01:45:09,439 --> 01:45:09,800
Speaker 1: on this one.

2329
01:45:09,880 --> 01:45:11,720
Speaker 4: I think you're gonna take San Francisco, but you're gonna

2330
01:45:11,720 --> 01:45:12,240
Speaker 4: take the points.

2331
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:15,080
Speaker 1: You're right, You're right. No, this is the type of

2332
01:45:15,120 --> 01:45:16,680
Speaker 1: game Pete Carroll gets his team up.

2333
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:19,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think I do think that NFC West thing.

2334
01:45:19,160 --> 01:45:23,080
Speaker 4: I think the Seattle own owning San Francisco is part

2335
01:45:23,120 --> 01:45:24,519
Speaker 4: of that. I just think that there's too big of

2336
01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:26,040
Speaker 4: a gap between the teams now.

2337
01:45:26,040 --> 01:45:29,599
Speaker 1: Right, But that's a big spread for this type of game.

2338
01:45:29,680 --> 01:45:33,240
Speaker 1: So Seahawks have been playing tough, so I will take

2339
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:37,200
Speaker 1: them to cover, but not win. Four, five, six, and

2340
01:45:37,320 --> 01:45:44,640
Speaker 1: six Bills. This is the Anderson window game because the

2341
01:45:44,680 --> 01:45:45,519
Speaker 1: windows closing.

2342
01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:47,400
Speaker 4: Oh, I see what you did that.

2343
01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:48,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Bills.

2344
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:50,160
Speaker 4: I think the Chiefs have plenty left.

2345
01:45:50,360 --> 01:45:53,040
Speaker 1: Bills are at the eight and four Chiefs.

2346
01:45:54,600 --> 01:45:57,080
Speaker 4: Kansas City by two and a half, the vulnerable Chiefs.

2347
01:45:58,200 --> 01:45:59,639
Speaker 8: God, I just I can't.

2348
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:01,920
Speaker 7: I mean, I like to say I think Buffalo catches

2349
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:04,479
Speaker 7: Kansas City on and off night and and kind of

2350
01:46:04,840 --> 01:46:06,400
Speaker 7: pulls out a win that they need. But I just

2351
01:46:06,439 --> 01:46:08,920
Speaker 7: can't pick against Mahomes. Evan laid it out. He's the

2352
01:46:08,920 --> 01:46:09,960
Speaker 7: best player in the league right now.

2353
01:46:10,640 --> 01:46:14,280
Speaker 3: Chiefs, why do you want never mind? Why do you

2354
01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:15,080
Speaker 3: want Buffalo to win?

2355
01:46:15,200 --> 01:46:15,760
Speaker 1: I know, I don't.

2356
01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:17,760
Speaker 4: I just well, like Buffalo's done.

2357
01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:21,120
Speaker 7: I just think it'd be more interesting if they kind

2358
01:46:21,120 --> 01:46:23,080
Speaker 7: of make a final push here and show something here

2359
01:46:23,120 --> 01:46:23,439
Speaker 7: at the end.

2360
01:46:23,439 --> 01:46:25,799
Speaker 3: But okay, fair enough, I'm going to take the Chiefs

2361
01:46:26,120 --> 01:46:30,240
Speaker 3: both ways. I'm gonna assume in this pick that Taylor

2362
01:46:30,280 --> 01:46:32,000
Speaker 3: Swift is going to be in attendance, and he always

2363
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:33,080
Speaker 3: plays better when she's there.

2364
01:46:33,160 --> 01:46:36,919
Speaker 4: So the last game last week, I will take Buffalo

2365
01:46:37,200 --> 01:46:40,799
Speaker 4: because I think in the regular season Buffalo has controlled

2366
01:46:40,920 --> 01:46:43,160
Speaker 4: Kansas City and the playoffs been a different story.

2367
01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:46,719
Speaker 3: Was that that game last week? Yeah, they barely showed her.

2368
01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:48,920
Speaker 4: On the TV, showed her walking in with Brittany.

2369
01:46:49,040 --> 01:46:49,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2370
01:46:50,120 --> 01:46:52,320
Speaker 3: I guess maybe they finally have realized that it's a

2371
01:46:52,360 --> 01:46:54,120
Speaker 3: little overplayed and stop playing what.

2372
01:46:54,240 --> 01:46:57,080
Speaker 1: They even announced it before the game, and Taylor is in,

2373
01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:00,320
Speaker 1: you know, in attendance. I think NBC has something going

2374
01:47:00,400 --> 01:47:03,400
Speaker 1: on with her, you know, in terms of some business deal.

2375
01:47:03,560 --> 01:47:05,320
Speaker 4: But that sounded on tooled.

2376
01:47:06,920 --> 01:47:07,360
Speaker 1: Peacock.

2377
01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:13,360
Speaker 4: There's a peacock loosing peabody yesterday. You see that, Yuess,

2378
01:47:13,400 --> 01:47:16,880
Speaker 4: someone has a pet peak pety peacock. Wow, it got

2379
01:47:16,920 --> 01:47:17,680
Speaker 4: loose on Route one.

2380
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:18,960
Speaker 8: Oh jeez, is a peacock.

2381
01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:20,800
Speaker 1: Okay, that's don't worry about it.

2382
01:47:20,840 --> 01:47:22,080
Speaker 4: I'm sure they shut it down.

2383
01:47:24,520 --> 01:47:25,680
Speaker 3: Human walking, just like.

2384
01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:29,160
Speaker 1: I'll take the Chiefs both ways.

2385
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:31,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, they probably won't lose two in a row.

2386
01:47:31,479 --> 01:47:34,720
Speaker 1: Four twenty five CBS. The six and six Broncos are

2387
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:37,160
Speaker 1: at the five and seven Chargers.

2388
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:38,120
Speaker 4: The Black by three.

2389
01:47:38,840 --> 01:47:41,840
Speaker 1: Oh surprised a little on that.

2390
01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:45,679
Speaker 7: Uh No, I think these are two pretty to Midland teams.

2391
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:47,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, evenly matched kind of teams.

2392
01:47:47,320 --> 01:47:48,519
Speaker 4: Five and seven, six and six.

2393
01:47:48,640 --> 01:47:50,800
Speaker 1: The crowd will be half and half, right, it's not,

2394
01:47:51,120 --> 01:47:51,360
Speaker 1: it's not.

2395
01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:53,920
Speaker 4: It'll probably be more for Denver.

2396
01:47:54,200 --> 01:47:56,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know a couple of Denver fans out

2397
01:47:56,200 --> 01:47:56,880
Speaker 1: there to you.

2398
01:47:56,960 --> 01:48:03,160
Speaker 4: Now, La John, Denver, John, I'm for breakfast. I'm gonna

2399
01:48:03,160 --> 01:48:06,880
Speaker 4: take the Chargers Roads Chargers for Mike I do.

2400
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:08,200
Speaker 1: I like I like that Herbert.

2401
01:48:08,680 --> 01:48:10,679
Speaker 4: I like that Herbert. I like the cut of his jib.

2402
01:48:12,720 --> 01:48:12,840
Speaker 14: Uh.

2403
01:48:13,800 --> 01:48:16,320
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take the Broncos. I picked them last week,

2404
01:48:16,360 --> 01:48:19,200
Speaker 3: I think last two and I didn't get that one correct.

2405
01:48:19,400 --> 01:48:21,880
Speaker 4: We should have. Yeah, they would poist a score at

2406
01:48:21,920 --> 01:48:23,439
Speaker 4: the end and Russell Wilson threw a pick.

2407
01:48:23,680 --> 01:48:23,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2408
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:29,560
Speaker 3: No, I'm just gonna take the Broncos because I just

2409
01:48:29,680 --> 01:48:32,360
Speaker 3: watched the Chargers offense score six points and I like

2410
01:48:32,439 --> 01:48:34,599
Speaker 3: the Broncos defense, so I'm gonna take the Broncos.

2411
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:37,479
Speaker 4: Oh, I wrote the wrong thing down for you. I

2412
01:48:37,600 --> 01:48:42,719
Speaker 4: am going to take the LAC with Mike. I think Denver.

2413
01:48:44,760 --> 01:48:47,000
Speaker 4: I think that they're a product of those turnovers that

2414
01:48:47,040 --> 01:48:48,680
Speaker 4: they create, and I just think it's a hard way

2415
01:48:48,760 --> 01:48:52,920
Speaker 4: to play now San Diego, the Chargers could turn that over,

2416
01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:55,320
Speaker 4: make it easy for him, But I'll take the lack.

2417
01:48:56,000 --> 01:48:58,920
Speaker 1: I am gonna go with the Broncos to win this game.

2418
01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:04,040
Speaker 1: They're not I know, doesn't know that, and they're upset

2419
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:07,000
Speaker 1: about that. They're very upset that they're making them play

2420
01:49:07,240 --> 01:49:09,639
Speaker 1: a road game, especially in December.

2421
01:49:09,720 --> 01:49:12,320
Speaker 4: I think they sent one of those letters to the league.

2422
01:49:12,479 --> 01:49:16,879
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, No, A lot of teams, in all honesty,

2423
01:49:16,920 --> 01:49:19,680
Speaker 1: a lot of teams did complain about the scheduling for

2424
01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:20,840
Speaker 1: the Broncos.

2425
01:49:20,400 --> 01:49:22,400
Speaker 4: That they get an unfair advantage, that they have too

2426
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:23,000
Speaker 4: many home games.

2427
01:49:23,080 --> 01:49:26,120
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, well they definitely got an unfair advantage on Christmas,

2428
01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:29,120
Speaker 3: just like you couldn't make the Broncos go on the

2429
01:49:29,200 --> 01:49:30,400
Speaker 3: road on Christmas, God forbid.

2430
01:49:30,479 --> 01:49:32,080
Speaker 1: I mean, if you know, if you're going to say,

2431
01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:36,000
Speaker 1: oh Christmas Eve, Broncos playing a home and away, there's

2432
01:49:36,080 --> 01:49:37,840
Speaker 1: no question they're going to play home that's just the

2433
01:49:37,880 --> 01:49:39,519
Speaker 1: way they do it. Yep, I thought of it. I

2434
01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:43,400
Speaker 1: thought of that. Do you have a kiss for Ferris Bueller?

2435
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:46,080
Speaker 4: That was where it was from my Fris Bueller.

2436
01:49:46,760 --> 01:49:49,360
Speaker 1: Their family in their family right right?

2437
01:49:49,880 --> 01:49:50,080
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2438
01:49:50,400 --> 01:49:57,559
Speaker 1: Good? Good? Due? Okay, we no, I just thought of it. Okay,

2439
01:49:58,320 --> 01:50:02,240
Speaker 1: eight twenty Sunday night, and for sure the ten and

2440
01:50:02,360 --> 01:50:04,760
Speaker 1: two Eagles are at the nine and.

2441
01:50:04,840 --> 01:50:07,880
Speaker 4: Three Cowboys Dallas by three and a half.

2442
01:50:08,040 --> 01:50:14,200
Speaker 7: Good game, I okay, I'm going with Dak.

2443
01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:17,200
Speaker 8: Sorry for yelling. I'm gonna take the Cowboys at home.

2444
01:50:17,240 --> 01:50:19,400
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna see a little little mini slump

2445
01:50:19,439 --> 01:50:20,160
Speaker 1: here for the Eagles.

2446
01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:24,040
Speaker 3: I I think I picked the Eagles last week, which

2447
01:50:24,040 --> 01:50:26,200
Speaker 3: I shouldn't have done. That was a bad pick on

2448
01:50:26,360 --> 01:50:28,920
Speaker 3: my part because they la.

2449
01:50:29,680 --> 01:50:30,320
Speaker 1: You weren't alone.

2450
01:50:30,400 --> 01:50:34,240
Speaker 3: This guy he was like the reason why you were

2451
01:50:34,280 --> 01:50:36,880
Speaker 3: all over it. And the Eagles I have played a

2452
01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:39,599
Speaker 3: lot of one score games. They haven't really been great.

2453
01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:42,840
Speaker 3: And in this game, I'm I'm gonna take Dallas for

2454
01:50:43,120 --> 01:50:46,120
Speaker 3: for that reason. I just think that until we see

2455
01:50:46,160 --> 01:50:49,360
Speaker 3: the Eagles play a really good team and the Bills

2456
01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:52,280
Speaker 3: are not included in that and and win handedly, I

2457
01:50:52,520 --> 01:50:53,920
Speaker 3: think these games are gonna be close.

2458
01:50:54,040 --> 01:50:57,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, without help, I would say as well. I am

2459
01:50:57,120 --> 01:50:59,960
Speaker 4: going to take Dallas. They made a big stink out

2460
01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:03,080
Speaker 4: of that spread last week. Was disrespectful to the Eagles,

2461
01:51:03,200 --> 01:51:05,400
Speaker 4: like they went from one point favorites to three point

2462
01:51:05,479 --> 01:51:08,320
Speaker 4: underdogs and they were all up. And this spread, to me,

2463
01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:12,479
Speaker 4: is more disrespectful to Philadelphia who has sort of run

2464
01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:16,200
Speaker 4: that division, you know, with Jalen Hurts, and they're underdogs

2465
01:51:16,200 --> 01:51:17,719
Speaker 4: by three and a half. I'm going to take the hook.

2466
01:51:18,160 --> 01:51:19,760
Speaker 4: I think Dallas will win the game, but I think

2467
01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:21,040
Speaker 4: they win by a field goal.

2468
01:51:22,040 --> 01:51:25,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. I love seeing the Cowboys lose, but

2469
01:51:26,080 --> 01:51:28,240
Speaker 1: I just something's going on with the Eagles. I think

2470
01:51:28,600 --> 01:51:30,200
Speaker 1: they've kind of lived on the edge and I think

2471
01:51:30,240 --> 01:51:32,840
Speaker 1: they're going to get a little come upp and coming down.

2472
01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:37,479
Speaker 4: Yea MVP caliber over the last couple of months.

2473
01:51:37,479 --> 01:51:42,000
Speaker 1: It's all about the cadence. Yeah, I'll take the Cowboys,

2474
01:51:42,080 --> 01:51:46,920
Speaker 1: but not to cover doubleheader on Monday. Why is that,

2475
01:51:47,320 --> 01:51:47,800
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2476
01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:52,479
Speaker 4: Because you see they scheduled two games on Monday, they

2477
01:51:52,520 --> 01:51:53,479
Speaker 4: start at the same time.

2478
01:51:53,560 --> 01:51:55,639
Speaker 1: This is all because the Broncos are playing at home.

2479
01:51:56,240 --> 01:51:57,519
Speaker 1: It screws everything up here.

2480
01:51:57,560 --> 01:51:59,080
Speaker 4: Can you to be your favorite and look up Christmas

2481
01:51:59,160 --> 01:52:01,479
Speaker 4: last year, I think Broncos and Rams played. Can you

2482
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:02,639
Speaker 4: tell me where that game was playing?

2483
01:52:02,800 --> 01:52:04,000
Speaker 1: Well, what do you have to like?

2484
01:52:05,479 --> 01:52:07,200
Speaker 4: I just think it's ridiculous that they made in all

2485
01:52:07,240 --> 01:52:09,120
Speaker 4: seriousness that was a shot at you. But in all

2486
01:52:09,160 --> 01:52:13,280
Speaker 4: seriousness they make in dn't replay on Christmas Eve Night

2487
01:52:14,120 --> 01:52:16,320
Speaker 4: last year? I think they played on Christmas Day. It

2488
01:52:16,439 --> 01:52:18,640
Speaker 4: was like the only game on Christmas Day. Do they

2489
01:52:18,720 --> 01:52:21,200
Speaker 4: have to play games like on Christmas Eve Night and

2490
01:52:21,320 --> 01:52:21,920
Speaker 4: Christmas Day?

2491
01:52:22,040 --> 01:52:22,439
Speaker 1: They don't?

2492
01:52:22,520 --> 01:52:23,719
Speaker 3: Thanks Paul, I appreciate.

2493
01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:24,880
Speaker 4: I think it's silly.

2494
01:52:25,680 --> 01:52:30,760
Speaker 1: So eight point fifteen on ESPN, ESPN two, ESPN Deportes.

2495
01:52:32,680 --> 01:52:35,280
Speaker 4: ESPN eight throughout the Apple.

2496
01:52:35,520 --> 01:52:38,280
Speaker 1: This is interesting. Four and eight Titans are at the

2497
01:52:38,479 --> 01:52:42,000
Speaker 1: nine and three Dolphins. What's interesting that both of these

2498
01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:43,480
Speaker 1: games are owned by ABC.

2499
01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:48,280
Speaker 4: OH Miami by thirteen and a half ah, and.

2500
01:52:48,320 --> 01:52:50,120
Speaker 1: The Titans fired their special teams coordinator.

2501
01:52:50,160 --> 01:52:52,040
Speaker 4: By the way, is going to pick the Getting getting

2502
01:52:52,040 --> 01:52:54,719
Speaker 4: two punts blocked for touchdowns was the final straw.

2503
01:52:54,840 --> 01:52:56,559
Speaker 7: I had to go look and say, what does it take?

2504
01:52:56,760 --> 01:52:57,360
Speaker 1: What does it take?

2505
01:52:57,600 --> 01:52:58,280
Speaker 8: That's what it takes.

2506
01:52:58,360 --> 01:53:01,040
Speaker 1: Okay, he's about he about to take the Titans.

2507
01:53:01,080 --> 01:53:02,600
Speaker 8: I'm not taking the tight No.

2508
01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:04,400
Speaker 4: I always at least taken that away that.

2509
01:53:04,520 --> 01:53:07,679
Speaker 7: That ship has sailed. I can't be foolish, especially Miami

2510
01:53:07,680 --> 01:53:09,719
Speaker 7: at home. I'll take Miami. I will lay all fourteen

2511
01:53:09,720 --> 01:53:10,200
Speaker 7: of those points.

2512
01:53:10,400 --> 01:53:12,360
Speaker 3: That means he's not taking the Titans.

2513
01:53:12,360 --> 01:53:12,680
Speaker 1: I did not.

2514
01:53:13,600 --> 01:53:16,439
Speaker 3: I'm going to take the Dolphins, and I am going

2515
01:53:16,520 --> 01:53:17,840
Speaker 3: to take them both ways as well.

2516
01:53:18,600 --> 01:53:20,880
Speaker 4: Yeah. I thought about taking the points because it is

2517
01:53:20,920 --> 01:53:24,080
Speaker 4: a lot, but I can't do it Miami both ways.

2518
01:53:25,840 --> 01:53:28,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna take Miami both ways as well. Now,

2519
01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:34,439
Speaker 1: the next game is also on ABC and ESPN plus

2520
01:53:35,439 --> 01:53:38,080
Speaker 1: it's the five and six pack. Six and six packers

2521
01:53:38,120 --> 01:53:40,840
Speaker 1: are at the four and eight Giants. But here's my question.

2522
01:53:41,560 --> 01:53:44,439
Speaker 1: So the first game is on ESPN and ESPN two,

2523
01:53:45,320 --> 01:53:47,479
Speaker 1: why not put one game on ESPN and the other

2524
01:53:47,520 --> 01:53:50,560
Speaker 1: game on ESPN two rather than do all this hodgepotch

2525
01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:53,839
Speaker 1: for one and why not put both of them on ESPNL.

2526
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:56,280
Speaker 4: This year, all the Monday night games have been on ABC.

2527
01:53:57,040 --> 01:54:00,080
Speaker 4: And I don't know this for sure, but some and

2528
01:54:00,160 --> 01:54:02,240
Speaker 4: explained it to me that it was because of the strike,

2529
01:54:03,080 --> 01:54:05,280
Speaker 4: the writers strike, so that they wanted to They figured,

2530
01:54:05,320 --> 01:54:07,240
Speaker 4: we'll just put these games on ABC because we don't

2531
01:54:07,280 --> 01:54:08,720
Speaker 4: have original programming.

2532
01:54:08,880 --> 01:54:13,320
Speaker 1: Right, But why why put the same game, which is

2533
01:54:13,560 --> 01:54:16,880
Speaker 1: the Titans and Dolphins on ESPN and ESPN two.

2534
01:54:17,240 --> 01:54:18,840
Speaker 4: So my guess is one of those will be the

2535
01:54:19,600 --> 01:54:20,200
Speaker 4: Manning cast.

2536
01:54:20,320 --> 01:54:23,200
Speaker 1: Oh maybe, okay, well they should say that. I don't.

2537
01:54:23,280 --> 01:54:24,599
Speaker 4: I don't know that. That's a guess.

2538
01:54:24,760 --> 01:54:28,120
Speaker 3: That's maybe that is Usually they stagger the start times.

2539
01:54:28,200 --> 01:54:29,040
Speaker 1: Then yeah they don't.

2540
01:54:29,360 --> 01:54:31,600
Speaker 4: Yeah. I liked that they didn't stagger because now it

2541
01:54:31,680 --> 01:54:33,360
Speaker 4: allows me to watch it like I do the red zone.

2542
01:54:33,400 --> 01:54:35,040
Speaker 1: I'd like it if they both started at seven.

2543
01:54:35,360 --> 01:54:37,560
Speaker 4: Red zone is completely ruined football watching for me.

2544
01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:40,280
Speaker 3: Well, that's my question is like, is Scot going to

2545
01:54:40,320 --> 01:54:43,560
Speaker 3: be at the desk on Monday night and have both We.

2546
01:54:43,560 --> 01:54:45,320
Speaker 4: Won't have to worry about the last game standing.

2547
01:54:45,960 --> 01:54:46,640
Speaker 3: I would love that.

2548
01:54:47,080 --> 01:54:49,200
Speaker 1: All right, six and six Packers at the four and

2549
01:54:49,280 --> 01:54:50,320
Speaker 1: eight Giants.

2550
01:54:50,040 --> 01:54:52,560
Speaker 4: Queen Bay suddenly red hot by six and a half.

2551
01:54:52,720 --> 01:54:54,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, Packer fans are feeling that.

2552
01:54:55,320 --> 01:54:56,200
Speaker 3: They're feeling the love.

2553
01:54:56,400 --> 01:54:58,680
Speaker 8: We uh we were there this summer. We saw this team.

2554
01:54:59,160 --> 01:55:01,839
Speaker 4: Is time to beatle playing again because I know Tyrod

2555
01:55:01,880 --> 01:55:03,920
Speaker 4: Taylor is eligible to return.

2556
01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:06,280
Speaker 3: I think he is. I think I think we got

2557
01:55:06,320 --> 01:55:07,160
Speaker 3: chicken cutlets again.

2558
01:55:07,280 --> 01:55:09,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm going to take the Packers, and I'm gonna

2559
01:55:09,160 --> 01:55:09,640
Speaker 8: lay the points.

2560
01:55:11,600 --> 01:55:14,000
Speaker 3: I'm going to take the Packers both ways as well.

2561
01:55:14,160 --> 01:55:18,280
Speaker 3: I think that Jordan Love I he's I wanted to

2562
01:55:18,400 --> 01:55:20,880
Speaker 3: like Jordan Love from the Summerduce and then he played

2563
01:55:20,920 --> 01:55:22,880
Speaker 3: poorly to start the season, but now he's starting to

2564
01:55:22,920 --> 01:55:24,960
Speaker 3: come around, and I think I'm all over the place

2565
01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:25,560
Speaker 3: with Jordan Love.

2566
01:55:25,560 --> 01:55:27,000
Speaker 4: I don't know if I like him. When the guy

2567
01:55:27,080 --> 01:55:28,920
Speaker 4: plays eight games, that's not the end of his career.

2568
01:55:29,080 --> 01:55:30,400
Speaker 1: I just don't know what to think about.

2569
01:55:31,200 --> 01:55:32,200
Speaker 3: Well, I'm back in.

2570
01:55:32,320 --> 01:55:33,200
Speaker 1: He's told me back.

2571
01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:35,240
Speaker 7: I felt sporadic when we were there, Like he would

2572
01:55:35,240 --> 01:55:37,080
Speaker 7: make some throws like whoa, and then he would have

2573
01:55:37,200 --> 01:55:37,880
Speaker 7: some brain farts.

2574
01:55:37,960 --> 01:55:39,560
Speaker 1: But part of the process.

2575
01:55:39,560 --> 01:55:41,240
Speaker 4: I'm going to take Green Bay, but I'm going to

2576
01:55:41,320 --> 01:55:43,840
Speaker 4: take the six and a half. Okay, Monday night game

2577
01:55:44,080 --> 01:55:48,040
Speaker 4: MetLife Stadium. They've played a little better, They've showed some giants. Yeah,

2578
01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:50,440
Speaker 4: they've They've won a couple in a row. They had

2579
01:55:50,480 --> 01:55:52,200
Speaker 4: to buy. I think they keep it close.

2580
01:55:52,320 --> 01:55:56,960
Speaker 1: Okay, one of those was Patriots, but anyway, I left

2581
01:55:57,000 --> 01:55:59,760
Speaker 1: that part out. Yeah, I'm going to call the Felger fact.

2582
01:56:00,040 --> 01:56:02,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the Packers both ways, all right,

2583
01:56:02,400 --> 01:56:05,920
Speaker 1: now we go back to Thursday, way back, do we

2584
01:56:06,040 --> 01:56:10,440
Speaker 1: have to? Thursday eight fifteen on Prime video? H two

2585
01:56:10,520 --> 01:56:13,280
Speaker 1: and ten Patriots are at the seven and five Steeler.

2586
01:56:13,880 --> 01:56:17,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna imagine Mitchell Trubisky is your quarterback? Yes, yes, correct?

2587
01:56:17,760 --> 01:56:20,960
Speaker 4: The Steelers by six six?

2588
01:56:22,240 --> 01:56:22,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's enough.

2589
01:56:24,040 --> 01:56:24,760
Speaker 1: I'm nothing.

2590
01:56:24,920 --> 01:56:26,560
Speaker 7: Now I'm gonna take the Steelers. I just I think

2591
01:56:26,600 --> 01:56:28,879
Speaker 7: they've got, you know, a slightly better quarterback.

2592
01:56:28,920 --> 01:56:30,080
Speaker 8: For what it's worth, They've got t J.

2593
01:56:30,200 --> 01:56:33,040
Speaker 7: Watt, They've got just more talent and you know, just

2594
01:56:33,240 --> 01:56:35,720
Speaker 7: on the road, tough spot to play. I will so

2595
01:56:35,840 --> 01:56:37,560
Speaker 7: I will take the Steelers. I will lay the points

2596
01:56:37,640 --> 01:56:40,480
Speaker 7: and my score is twenty six.

2597
01:56:42,040 --> 01:56:43,800
Speaker 3: How sad is it that you just said that they

2598
01:56:43,880 --> 01:56:47,720
Speaker 3: have the better quarterback when Mitchell Trubisky is the quarterback

2599
01:56:47,800 --> 01:56:50,520
Speaker 3: for the Pittsburgh Steelers. I look at this game from

2600
01:56:50,760 --> 01:56:54,680
Speaker 3: the Patriots offense, and I can Bill O'Brien like earn

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01:56:54,720 --> 01:56:56,840
Speaker 3: his paycheck this week? Can we do that? Because the

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01:56:56,920 --> 01:56:59,560
Speaker 3: Steelers defense really highly rated, got a lot of really

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01:56:59,560 --> 01:57:03,640
Speaker 3: good play, really really predictable scheme like they run what

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01:57:03,720 --> 01:57:06,640
Speaker 3: they run they always have under Tomlin. It's different from

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01:57:06,680 --> 01:57:09,280
Speaker 3: what they used to do, but it's still the same.

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01:57:09,760 --> 01:57:12,160
Speaker 3: You know what you're gonna get on game day? Can

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01:57:12,240 --> 01:57:14,360
Speaker 3: we have a game plan where we get some open

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01:57:14,440 --> 01:57:17,440
Speaker 3: guys and get ZAPPI go in a little bit. I

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01:57:17,600 --> 01:57:21,840
Speaker 3: still say no, but it would be nice to see

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01:57:22,040 --> 01:57:24,680
Speaker 3: the offensive coordinator that you brought in with thirty years

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01:57:24,720 --> 01:57:29,200
Speaker 3: of experience do his job at a high level. I

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01:57:29,280 --> 01:57:31,000
Speaker 3: worry about the Steelers defensive line.

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01:57:31,320 --> 01:57:31,560
Speaker 4: TJ.

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01:57:31,640 --> 01:57:33,040
Speaker 3: Walla was a little banged up in that game, but

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01:57:33,040 --> 01:57:35,720
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna be all right, and that defensive

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01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:38,800
Speaker 3: line should take this game over for Pittsburgh. I have

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01:57:39,120 --> 01:57:45,120
Speaker 3: thirteen to six and another terrible Yeah.

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01:57:45,200 --> 01:57:47,560
Speaker 4: I have a similar kind of game, low scoring. I

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01:57:47,640 --> 01:57:50,240
Speaker 4: don't know how you can pick otherwise. The over under Mike,

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01:57:50,520 --> 01:57:52,840
Speaker 4: we remember thirty one and a half. It's like the

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01:57:52,920 --> 01:57:55,720
Speaker 4: lowest I can ever remember seeing in all my days

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01:57:56,000 --> 01:57:56,680
Speaker 4: high Yeah.

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01:57:57,960 --> 01:57:59,440
Speaker 3: That's higher than Iowa Michigan.

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01:58:01,320 --> 01:58:05,520
Speaker 4: This is just two offenses that have really struggled. I'm

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01:58:05,560 --> 01:58:08,760
Speaker 4: gonna take Pittsburgh to win short week at home. I

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01:58:08,920 --> 01:58:10,960
Speaker 4: do agree with Mike. I think they have at least

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01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:13,560
Speaker 4: some pieces on offense to be a little bit better,

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01:58:13,960 --> 01:58:16,000
Speaker 4: and that's the difference. A lot of field goals sixteen to.

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01:58:16,120 --> 01:58:20,600
Speaker 1: Nine, seven hundred percent improvement for the Patriots this week.

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01:58:21,080 --> 01:58:22,680
Speaker 1: But they lose sixteen to seven.

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01:58:25,720 --> 01:58:27,680
Speaker 7: Well, this is Thant seven hundred percent of zero still.

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01:58:27,560 --> 01:58:30,480
Speaker 4: Zero, Dace, leave him alone. He's on a roll.

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01:58:33,280 --> 01:58:38,879
Speaker 1: Come I get it. Sixteen to seven? Yeah, unfortunately, touchdown?

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01:58:38,920 --> 01:58:39,680
Speaker 8: What's a touchdown?

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01:58:39,760 --> 01:58:39,920
Speaker 4: Mike?

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01:58:40,720 --> 01:58:42,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna get a touchdown. And I'm telling you

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01:58:43,080 --> 01:58:44,600
Speaker 1: right now, Big Bold.

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01:58:44,720 --> 01:58:47,040
Speaker 8: I honestly like I might not to spoil my key,

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01:58:47,200 --> 01:58:48,760
Speaker 8: uh defensive score, Like I.

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01:58:48,800 --> 01:58:50,200
Speaker 4: Just gonna say, who scores it? Dougar.

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01:58:50,280 --> 01:58:51,720
Speaker 8: I'd love to see the defense score.

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01:58:51,720 --> 01:58:53,520
Speaker 7: I feel like they would be so fired up, like

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01:58:53,600 --> 01:58:55,360
Speaker 7: after all this and how much they'd like, you know,

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01:58:55,480 --> 01:58:58,000
Speaker 7: the offense like we today before you.

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01:58:58,560 --> 01:59:00,880
Speaker 1: What if they what if they scored touchdown and dug

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01:59:01,040 --> 01:59:04,520
Speaker 1: Or handed the ball to Bailey's at He's like, that's

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01:59:04,560 --> 01:59:05,040
Speaker 1: how it's.

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01:59:04,920 --> 01:59:09,440
Speaker 21: Done, before Brandon Schooler gives the ball to Bailey's It's

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01:59:10,680 --> 01:59:15,000
Speaker 21: we didn't get the because I realized there's a one

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01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:16,840
Speaker 21: minute left. But this is something that I thought that

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01:59:16,960 --> 01:59:21,000
Speaker 21: you would agree with me, Paul. The very first thing

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01:59:21,080 --> 01:59:25,040
Speaker 21: that Bill Belichick says on Sunday postgame press conference, go Ahead,

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01:59:25,640 --> 01:59:29,560
Speaker 21: says they lost the game because they didn't play complimentary football,

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01:59:29,960 --> 01:59:32,400
Speaker 21: and they didn't get the field position that they but

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01:59:32,640 --> 01:59:33,840
Speaker 21: but they moved the ball.

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01:59:35,360 --> 01:59:39,760
Speaker 4: It was noted in post game and fifty yards moving

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01:59:39,800 --> 01:59:40,120
Speaker 4: the ball.

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01:59:40,280 --> 01:59:43,440
Speaker 3: And then he sits there and he blames the defense

2659
01:59:43,640 --> 01:59:46,560
Speaker 3: and the special teams for not winning field position and

2660
01:59:47,080 --> 01:59:48,760
Speaker 3: that is why you lost the game.

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01:59:49,640 --> 01:59:52,600
Speaker 1: Get him out of here, Oh boy, wow, out of here?

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01:59:53,000 --> 01:59:56,360
Speaker 1: All right, Mike drop by Evan. All right, that's it

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01:59:56,480 --> 02:00:00,720
Speaker 1: for this show. Uh Paul induced to will be back

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02:00:00,720 --> 02:00:08,160
Speaker 1: tomorrow because running program director over there, So the show

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02:00:08,200 --> 02:00:12,880
Speaker 1: will go on tomorrow and Catch twenty two. When is

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Speaker 1: that tomorrow at ten am? Okay, so you look forward

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