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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Battleground Podcast. Today we

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Speaker 1: have an incredible, incredible guest. Also timely. I'm sure you've

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Speaker 1: seen the success of the movie The Sound of Freedom,

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Speaker 1: which had beat Indiana Jones at the box office a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. Absolutely incredible movie that brings a

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Speaker 1: ton of attention to child traffic, child trafficking.

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Speaker 2: It amazes me. You know how this just misses people.

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Speaker 1: People either don't pay attention to it, they don't want

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Speaker 1: to pay attention to it, They turn a blind eye.

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Speaker 1: But today we've got a guy I've known for a

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Speaker 1: very very long time. Actually, his name is Jeff James.

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Speaker 1: Jeff is a Secret Service agent. For over twenty years,

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Speaker 1: he protected US presidents and he was also the Secret

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Speaker 1: Service liaison for the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

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Speaker 1: And again, this is why I say this episode so timely.

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Speaker 1: So Jeff, welcome to the show man. I'm so grateful

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Speaker 1: to have you here.

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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you, Sean, and honored to be here.

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Speaker 1: So so we were talking in the virtual studio before

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Speaker 1: getting on that you were actually I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you were a gym teacher at Frankin Regional High School

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Speaker 1: and West. We're both from western Pennsylvania. But you were

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Speaker 1: a teacher and we all called you Coach James. And

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Speaker 1: I was in sixth grade.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was actually teaching English and in the middle

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Speaker 3: school in high school and I was coaching football. So

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Speaker 3: so yeah, and yeah, the the way our past crossed

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Speaker 3: and then didn't cross again until you know, you went

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Speaker 3: on to the Army and had your illustrious career, and

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Speaker 3: then you came to a speaking event for the clarin

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Speaker 3: alumni and we re engaged there and that was, geez,

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Speaker 3: that was probably in twenty ten. Maybe, yeah, it was,

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Speaker 3: it was a while ago.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's just just so crazy, how small of a

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Speaker 1: world in this this crazy place that we live in now. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and I just feel like even back when I was

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Speaker 1: in sixth grade, I remember, even as a student, people

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Speaker 1: talking about, well, coach James, he wants to join the

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Speaker 1: Secret Service. And this is probably I mean, you didn't

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Speaker 1: join until ninety six, so sixth grade. I mean I

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Speaker 1: you give give me a sense of of why where

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Speaker 1: did this desire to join the US Secret Service come from?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: So, you know, I feel first that I have to

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Speaker 3: say I'm blessed and fortunate that all I ever wanted

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Speaker 3: to do growing up was either be a teacher or

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Speaker 3: You know, I've I taught high school for six years

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Speaker 3: there at Franklin, and then you know, the opportunity came

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Speaker 3: why don't you think about applying? And you know, initially

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Speaker 3: I was, you know, I said, you know, I don't

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Speaker 3: have a law enforcement or military background that you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm not what they're looking for. But you know what

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Speaker 3: So at that time, you know, everything was still snail male,

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Speaker 3: I was going to come back unemployed and be looking

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Speaker 1: So well, tell me about that. Tell me first about

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Speaker 1: the risk, because that that is a real risk. In

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Speaker 1: especially at a place like Franklin Regional, is very very

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Speaker 1: there must have been something driving. You must have really

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Speaker 1: wanted to do this and be willing to risk. You know,

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Speaker 1: what's a great a great career, one that's obviously fulfilling,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And and it was just that, just an opportunity

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Speaker 3: But back then, you know, the state universities were putting

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Speaker 3: Everybody was moving south. You know, if you go to

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Speaker 3: even my dad said to me. You know, my dad,

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Speaker 3: with you, I was going to do it regardless. You know,

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, it's clearly something that you know, when

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Speaker 1: at least for me, I've known when something unique presents

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Speaker 2: What am I supposed to be doing?

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Speaker 1: Even if I'm working something that's that's fulfilling and I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. You know, I studied a lot about

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Speaker 3: because everybody knows the Secret Service, how they protect the president,

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Speaker 3: you know, what my career might look like, what what

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Speaker 3: I'll have friends who reach out to me and say, hey,

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Speaker 3: And you know, again blessed and fortunate that I married

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Speaker 1: I mean, when I was in Afghanistan, I wasn't married,

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Speaker 1: terms of sacrificing their freedom for a job to serve

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Speaker 1: this country at so, Jeff, what was it like, because

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Speaker 2: Did you think that they were ever going to call?

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Speaker 2: And what was it like when you got the call

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Speaker 3: Well it? You know, they give you little indicators that

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Speaker 3: you're getting close, Like I remember they sent me for

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Speaker 3: that for me was the polygraph examination, and you know,

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Speaker 3: fortunately I passed that, and but that was still probably

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Speaker 3: me that they do now is a pre employment PT test.

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Speaker 3: Back then, you didn't do it. You did your first

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Speaker 2: My god. So yeah, so mad, it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: So holy cow, what was the trade? So you make it?

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Speaker 3: So the so basic training is six months long, and

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Speaker 3: when the Secret Service was established on April fourteenth, eighteen

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's the point I was going to make

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Speaker 1: So tell us about it, because I have genuinely no

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Speaker 3: So there's one way genuine currency is printed. And our

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Speaker 3: You know, I bought a bunch. It's sitting there. I'm

433
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 3: getting ready to buy more this week and just go

434
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 3: out and practice. In the Secret Service, when when I

435
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 3: was in Washington, d C. For eighteen years, we had

436
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 3: to shoot at least once a month, So we were

437
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 3: constantly pulling triggers because and you know, it's all that

438
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 3: muscle memory and repetition, and you know when you're when

439
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 3: you're getting tunnel vision and your heart's beating, you know

440
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,679
Speaker 3: that that level of training that you're going to fall to,

441
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 3: we wanted it to be. We want it to be

442
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 3: as high as possible.

443
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 1: When so much of what you do is scenario based.

444
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're not pulling the trigger for twenty

445
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: two months and maybe you're just target shooting, you know,

446
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,439
Speaker 1: if you're qualifying, you're not. I mean there are a

447
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 1: million different scenarios that could pose a threat to either you,

448
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 1: your your buddies, you know, somebody that you're trying to protect.

449
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: And if all you've done is shoot a piece of

450
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 1: paper to qualify, how could you possibly be ready for

451
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: all of the nightmare scenarios that could come your way.

452
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and and look I think you know, the reason

453
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 3: that bothers me the most isn't because of I'm not

454
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 3: saying like, oh, I came from a better place. The

455
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 3: reason it bothers me the most is I want every

456
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 3: cop that home.

457
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 2: At night exactly exactly right.

458
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 3: And you know if if and I tell them, you know,

459
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 3: I tell anybody who listens to me, you know, take

460
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 3: training personally because that guy just like you, right, that

461
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,479
Speaker 3: guy wants to kill you, just like you experienced in

462
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 3: real life in Afghanistan. And if he's three feet away

463
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 3: or if he's one hundred feet away, are you going

464
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 3: to be able to put accurate fire on him? Are

465
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 3: you going to move to cover? Are you going to

466
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 3: use concealment?

467
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 1: You know?

468
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 3: So you know, I they get sick of hearing me

469
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 3: talk about it. We talk a lot about mental reps

470
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 3: and dry firing and all these things we can do

471
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 3: in kind of quiet moments that still get your reflexive

472
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 3: mind and your reflective mind to come together to put

473
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Speaker 3: you in a better place.

474
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Speaker 2: So I.

475
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Speaker 1: That is so spot on. I couldn't agree more. And

476
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Speaker 1: it's those little things, Jeff, if left unattended in training,

477
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: can come can be very big things, problematic things in

478
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: a real life scenario. And so okay, so take me

479
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 1: back to I have a question about the currency, is

480
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 1: the process?

481
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 2: Is it? Is it known? Is it public?

482
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: Could somebody say could a counterfeitter say, okay, well I

483
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: know where they make the paper, I know how it's cut,

484
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: I know how it's printed. Can't Can someone just do

485
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: the same thing? How would you tell the difference?

486
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 3: You could if you had enough money. So, making genuine

487
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 3: counterfeiting genuine currency so that it could pass is going

488
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 3: to be expensive. And one of the things we found

489
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 3: is stay sponsored counterfeiting of these other countries trying to

490
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 3: infiltrate our economy with counterfeit currency because they know it'll

491
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 3: weaken the dollar. You know, specifically, there was a note

492
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 3: that was coming out of North Korea that got dubbed

493
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 3: the supernote. It was so good and it was one

494
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 3: hundred counterfit hundred dollars bill and but it's it's essentially

495
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 3: state sponsored, a state sponsored terror attack on our economy

496
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 3: is what it was.

497
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 2: For you, I've never heard this is never in the news.

498
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's crazy. How do how does North

499
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: Korea get something like that? How is it shipped here?

500
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: How do they how do they get that get well,

501
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: those hundred dollars bills here?

502
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you can whatever comes over in courier

503
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 3: bags to two embassies and ah yeah, consulates. I'm sorry,

504
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 3: I couldn't think of that word. It's okay, isn't isn't

505
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 3: searched like they they bring it over and it just

506
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 3: like our stuff that goes overseas to our embassies and consulates,

507
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 3: you know, they do. Those countries do the courtesy of

508
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 3: not you know, going in our bags and stuff like that.

509
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 3: So that's that's probably how it gets over here. And

510
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 3: then it's given to you know, they're operatives who are

511
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 3: here on the ground, and it's it's distributed. Look, it

512
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 3: never gets to the point where it's going to They can't.

513
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 3: That's too small of a ding to truly damage our

514
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 3: our economy. But it is. It is state sponsored, a

515
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 3: state sponsored terror attack, just like I said, on our economy.

516
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 3: You know, it's wow. And just to give you some

517
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 3: real numbers, and again these are a little bit stale,

518
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 3: but the last numbers I got were the three big cities,

519
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 3: New York, Miami, and Los Angeles. Those three cities taken

520
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 3: about one hundred thousand dollars a week in in counterfeit currency.

521
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 3: So just those three cities alone account for fifteen million

522
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 3: dollars a year in counterfeit Western Pennsylvania. The last statistic

523
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 3: I got was that it was about seven thousand dollars

524
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 3: a week in counterfeit. So it's still a substantial enough problem,

525
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 3: like you would think in twenty twenty three, who's still

526
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 3: going to try to make fake money? But it's still

527
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 3: substantial enough that we need to. When I say we,

528
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 3: I mean that the Secret Service needs to eas to

529
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 3: chase it down, and they.

530
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Speaker 1: Do that once it's in circulation, Jeff, I mean, for

531
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: all I know, I don't, but I mean I could.

532
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: How would I know if something that's so good, how

533
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: do you how do you hold people accountable for spending

534
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: counterfeit money and once it's in circulation that they might

535
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: not know is even counterfeit when they have it.

536
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, we would get that and and and it's you

537
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 3: just figure that out through your investigation. So you know

538
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 3: how say a bad guy goes to Target with three

539
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 3: fake twenties excuse me, and they you know, they give

540
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 3: it to the cashier and then you come in with

541
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 3: one hundred dollars bill that's genuine, and they give you

542
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 3: those three twenties back. Then your next stop is I

543
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 3: don't know, a seven to eleven and they catch it.

544
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 3: You know, the local police are going to come. You know,

545
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 3: they're going to detain you. We're going to come and

546
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 3: talk to you. And look, it's going to be a

547
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 3: miserable four.

548
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 2: Hours for yeah, I mean that would suck. That would

549
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: Can you imagine that would suck so badly? That would

550
00:29:58,840 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 2: be terrible.

551
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 3: While we figure it out. But you know, we're gonna

552
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 3: look at you know, because we track every note because

553
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 3: here's the thing. Counterfeiters. While some of them are very good,

554
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,479
Speaker 3: they're also lazy, right, they're not changing a lot of

555
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 3: serial numbers. So we'll say, all right, this serial number

556
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 3: has been seen from the Carolina is up through New York,

557
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 3: and we look at your travel and we sorry, we

558
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 3: know Sean hasn't left western Pennsylvania in the last six months,

559
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 3: so we know you're probably not out there distributing kinterfit currency.

560
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 3: You know, you're going to be out sixty bucks, And

561
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 3: like I said, it's going to be a miserable twenty

562
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 3: four hours while we background a little bit. But but yeah,

563
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 3: that good people get stuck with bad money once. Unfortunately,

564
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,479
Speaker 3: and I'll tell you I feel worse for is. You know,

565
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 3: somebody goes in, like I said, to Target. You know,

566
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Speaker 3: Target's a big company. They're gonna they're gonna charge two

567
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 3: cents more for shampoo and cereal and stuff like that.

568
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 3: But you got a mom and pop store, you know,

569
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 3: where they're trying to pay insurance, rent employees. You know,

570
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 3: they get defrauded a couple times a month out of

571
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 3: a couple hundred bucks, and that can that can be

572
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 3: significant to a small business owner. So that's where that's

573
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 3: where I'm glad we were we were aggressive about it

574
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 3: was to really help the merchants who were getting defrauded.

575
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: Well I'm I'm like so fascinated by this, and you're right.

576
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: That was My next question was about small businesses. You know,

577
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: some of the larger corporations can probably handle it, or

578
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: they have insurance to cover themselves or whatever. You know,

579
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: it's probably spent one hundred million dollars a year on

580
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: lawyers alone to.

581
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 2: Help them deal with stuff like this.

582
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: But you know, there are lots of small businesses and

583
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: you know all over this country. In fact, that's the

584
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: backbone of our economy is the American small business. And

585
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: you know you're right, a few hundred bucks a month,

586
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: this counterfeit that adds up very very quickly to some

587
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: of these people who especially if you're just starting out

588
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: in the first two or three years of your small business,

589
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: you're not you aren't making a profit, you're not in

590
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: the black yet, So I mean, that could be something

591
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: that make or breaks you. And what's crazy to me

592
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: is that I never, and I mean never hear about

593
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: this stuff on the news. I don't think I've ever

594
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: heard of a counterfeit story, counterfeit money story on any

595
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: of the national media and any of the blocks in

596
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: the last fifteen years.

597
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm just not paying attention, but.

598
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 3: Well, if you google it, you'd find it. Probably the

599
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 3: last big story you'd see was and I'm guessing maybe

600
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 3: three or four years ago, the Secret Service actually reopened

601
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 3: its office in Peru because the influx of counterfeit coming

602
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 3: from Peru was starting to be significant, and they had

603
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 3: a pretty big seizure down there. I think they seized

604
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 3: twenty million dollars in counterfeit US currency. So that was

605
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 3: a big win, not just for the Secret Service but

606
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 3: for you know, for the United States in all and

607
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 3: and we're fortunate too that the you know, the government

608
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 3: down there is cooperative and finding helping us find these people,

609
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 3: and they're you know, putting them in jail where you

610
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,479
Speaker 3: get some parts of the world where you know, they

611
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 3: wouldn't let us touch one of their citizens, and even

612
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 3: if we knew who it was, they were going to

613
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 3: do anything to them. So wow, So at least at

614
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 3: least the provins were cooperative with us.

615
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's just something that most Americans aren't even

616
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you always hear somebody that might be carrying

617
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: a counterfeit twenty or something. But i've it makes sense

618
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: when you say it. You know that other state sponsored

619
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: bad actors would do something like this to attack our economy,

620
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: and it makes you wonder, you know, of course there

621
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: we're always under threat of cyber attack. Of course, our

622
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: elections are always under threat from foreign entity to try

623
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: to undermine us. It's like this country is under attack

624
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: from our enemies almost every single day, and most Americans

625
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: don't even realize it, Jeff.

626
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: They just go about their daily lives.

627
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: And I think that's a great thing because that's part

628
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: of what it means to live in a free country.

629
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: But there are people out there that like you, who

630
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: for twenty plus years stood on the parapet to guard

631
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: against some of these threats. What do you make of

632
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: all that? Having seen having seen the dark side, so

633
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: to speak? How do you can you can?

634
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 2: You can you relax? Now? Have you done twenty some years?

635
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: Well? You know, the first thing I want to say is,

636
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 3: you know, the service I put into our country pales

637
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 3: in comparison to the service that you put in. So

638
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 3: let's just.

639
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: Establish that right now from thank you, but thank you

640
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 1: for saying that. But I don't know, Jeff, there's something

641
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: about secret service agents who are willing to you have

642
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: to be willing to lay down your life or take

643
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: a bullet for the people that you're protecting.

644
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 2: That's a whole different thing, you know.

645
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I volunteered to serve after nine to eleven and

646
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: went and got blown up a bunch of times in Afghanistan.

647
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: But it's not like it's not like I wanted. It's

648
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 2: not like I wanted to get blown up.

649
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: Like, if you see a threat like you, you people

650
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: are will you're crazy, You're willing to jump in them

651
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: in front of a bullet to save somebody that you're protecting.

652
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 2: That's a level of dedication that just is is unbelievab

653
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: or rare.

654
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 3: Our big thing was if our preparation and our advance

655
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 3: were and you know, using the assets that we had,

656
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 3: was if all that was done right, it would never

657
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 3: get to the point where we had to jump in

658
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 3: front of a gun. So you know, when I when

659
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 3: I would do a trip and I got off Air

660
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 3: Force one with the President, I was confident that the

661
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 3: men and women who were on the ground already for

662
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 3: a week setting everything up, are having us walk into

663
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 3: the most secure environment we could and and you know,

664
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 3: it's it's been a long time. You know, the last

665
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 3: legitimate attempt on the life of the president was you know,

666
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 3: when Ronald Reagan March Story of nineteen eighty one, when

667
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 3: John Hinkley shot Ronald Reagan. And you know, there's been

668
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 3: scares and we've stepped in front of plots, and you know,

669
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 3: again I don't I don't know as much since I've left,

670
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 3: but you know, there were several significant plots during my

671
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 3: time that were that our intelligence partners CIA, NSA, FBI,

672
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 3: you know, fed to us and we were able to

673
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 3: get in front of. But the biggest thing that I

674
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 3: always remember and I thought about every day was, you know,

675
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 3: we haven't had a landslide victory for president since Rom

676
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 3: mcgregan beat Mondale. And in fact, you know, we've had

677
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: a few where the person who lost the popular vote

678
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 3: became president. So you know, I made sure that I

679
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 3: was always cognizant of the fact that every time we

680
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 3: took the president out of the White House, fifty percent

681
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 3: of the people who were putting eyes on him didn't

682
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 3: want him to be president. And and you know when

683
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 3: I and it doesn't matter if they're holding up a

684
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 3: sign that says they think he's great. You know, that's

685
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 3: that's easy to fake, right, So yes, and I would

686
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 3: you know, anytime I got the chance to be in

687
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 3: a leadership role, I would I would tell you know,

688
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 3: we do our briefings before the shift, and I just say, hey,

689
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 3: let's let's go. Let's start the day assuming today is

690
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 3: going to be the day we get attacked, so when

691
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 3: it happens, it doesn't surprise you, Like, let's put ourselves

692
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 3: in that mental place already, and you know, it's just

693
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 3: I don't know. I was blessed and fortunate to do it,

694
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 3: and and it was just a mission. I love the

695
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 3: mission of of of Protection was like the investigations were okay,

696
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 3: but I really I love the protection. I'm glad that's

697
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 3: what the majority of my career was was dedicated to.

698
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 3: And and you know, even the time I spent at

699
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 3: the National Center was you know, some of the things

700
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 3: I got to do there were unique, and they were

701
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 3: great opportunities for me. And and so you say about

702
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 3: you know, looking at the dark side, you know that

703
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 3: that was one of the And and I've been frank

704
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 3: about this in public before. I heard stories there of

705
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 3: things that happened to children that I will never repeat

706
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 3: because and I get a little bit emotional about this

707
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: because very frankly, I don't want it to live in

708
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 3: anyone else's head. Like I don't want my wife to

709
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 3: know about it. I don't want my kids know about it.

710
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 3: I don't want you to know a lot of it.

711
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 3: And I used to say that people, if you don't

712
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 3: believe in the death penalty, spend a week over there

713
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 3: and see what people do to kids, see what people

714
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,479
Speaker 3: do to their own kids, and and you will change

715
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 3: your mind about what kind of people should have the

716
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 3: privilege of living on this earth and what kind shouldn't

717
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 3: because that that mission. And I'll tell you the people

718
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 3: that work there and the people that have worked there

719
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 3: for decades, they're they're better, better people than I am

720
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 3: because their ability to see these things and withstand them.

721
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 3: And very frankly, there were some people that worked there.

722
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 3: I remember one girl, she was an analyst. She just

723
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 3: called one day and said, I'm never coming back. And

724
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 3: when my time Nick Nick was done, her stuff was

725
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 3: still sitting on a box and a shelf because she

726
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 3: never even came back to get her stuff. It's it's

727
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 3: tough stuff to see every day, and it you know,

728
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 3: so that you know, people hate for all kinds of reasons,

729
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 3: like people want to kill the president, they want to

730
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 3: kill candidates. That almost runs off off my back a

731
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 3: little bit. But the time I spent, you know, seeing

732
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 3: how people hurt kids, that's that's really you want to

733
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 3: talk about a dark it's dark stuff to see. That's

734
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 3: that's it right there.

735
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: Well, let's let's talk about that and go go where

736
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,479
Speaker 1: the conversation takes us, because I want to hear about

737
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: your time protecting the presidents as well, you know, and

738
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: get a sense of how you go from you know,

739
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: a new agent to a presidential detail. But let's stick

740
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: with this. In your time as liaison for the National

741
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: Center for Missing and Exploited Children, that that would you

742
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: say is Nick Mick. The acronym is Nick Mick.

743
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: Correct.

744
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, everything that you see with the Sound of Freedom

745
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: today and the movie with Jim Cavizio came out and

746
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: it's a mega, mega.

747
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: Successful at the box office. So a couple of things. Uh.

748
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: First of all, I think people clearly recognize that that

749
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: child trafficking is a real problem problem, I think, which

750
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: is why you see the movie as successful as it is.

751
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: When you look at everything that's happening at the border.

752
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: Clearly our enemies are using an open southern border to

753
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: traffic children. And the more I read about how horrific

754
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: this stuff is, the cartels, the cartels prefer it almost

755
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: because children can be resold. Whereas you know, you sell

756
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: cocaine or something, it's you sell it and it's gone.

757
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: Children can be resold over and over again, and it's horrifying,

758
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: you know. I read an article the other day saying

759
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: that at the height of slavery in this country, three

760
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty some thousand African Americans were brought to

761
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: this country, but the numbers are almost just as bad

762
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: today with children and adults being trafficked across the border.

763
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: Although you're not seeing the auctions and the people in shackles,

764
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: it's all happening behind the curtains. Is bad, Jeff, And

765
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: and I mean that it's it's just as bad, and

766
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: maybe maybe maybe it's even worse because no one sees it.

767
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 2: It's offen people's radar. And I.

768
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: Why I have so many questions for you on this topic,

769
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: But why does the media? Why does it seem like

770
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: the media is working overdrive to make it seem like

771
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 1: this is just some sort of conspiracy theory.

772
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 3: So that so that part, that part I don't know,

773
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 3: but I will tell you the reason you don't see

774
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 3: the auctions and people in shackles is because it's all

775
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 3: done online. Now you can go online and rent a

776
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 3: child for sexual exploitation. It is strikingly easy. Now you

777
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 3: do it enough times, eventually you're going to get caught. Right,

778
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 3: But that child is going to be abused hundreds and

779
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 3: hundreds of times in their lifetime, and then once they

780
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 3: reach a point where they age out and they're no

781
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 3: longer just horable to the perversions of a pedophile. Very frankly,

782
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 3: they're they're murdered like they'll they'll either some of the

783
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 3: nice ones will send them on their way, but say go,

784
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 3: you know you're we're done with you now. And they're

785
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 3: you know, they're damaged permanently mentally and physically. But you

786
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 3: know some of them, like these these pimps, will just

787
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 3: kill that kid and you know, go find another one.

788
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 3: And and look, this isn't if you don't think it's real.

789
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 3: This isn't hard to find out if anybody listening to

790
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 3: you has their has their doubts. If you google like

791
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 3: h underage sex sting, you'll find that in all these

792
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 3: big events that happen, whether it's a Super Bowl, All

793
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 3: Star Games, these these guys who are trafficking these kids

794
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 3: will gravitate to those large events. They'll put advertisements online

795
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 3: and they'll sell these kids. During like All Star weekend

796
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 3: like we have coming up for the for the for

797
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 3: Major League Baseball and the FBI, the Marshall's Secret Service,

798
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 3: I'll get together. They formed these task forces and they

799
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 3: they go in and they arrest all these guys and

800
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 3: you'll see like forty kids will get rescued in a

801
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 3: weekend and fifteen of the pimps will be will be arrested.

802
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's striking. And we were talking in

803
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 3: the studio prep earlier that you know, I found I

804
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 3: realized the date I said it wrong earlier it was.

805
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 3: It was May twenty first of twenty twenty two. Fourteen

806
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 3: year old girl was at a Denver or a Dallas

807
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 3: Mavericks game with her dad and she excused herself to

808
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 3: go to the bathroom and she never came back. And

809
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 3: here in this arena for twenty thousand people, some guy

810
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 3: grabbed her by the arm and took her away, and

811
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 3: she was I think it was a couple weeks later

812
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 3: she was finally rescued, but he was trafficking her like

813
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 3: it like took her think of all the security at

814
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 3: an NBA game, Like took her out of this game.

815
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 3: So look, if you want to put your head in

816
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 3: the sand, that's fine, but I'll tell you. You know, Mike

817
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 3: are sixteen, fourteen and eleven, and we talk a lot

818
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 3: not to scare them. We talk about precautions. You know,

819
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 3: I tell people all the time. Take twenty minutes at

820
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 3: your dinner table once a week and talk about whatever,

821
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 3: what if we get separated in target, what if we

822
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 3: get what if the house catches on fire? You know,

823
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 3: these little touch points that you're going to give your

824
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 3: kids are going to be life very frankly, could be

825
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 3: life saving.

826
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: You know, we gotta tell us right now, because first

827
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: of all, I'm like you, I'm getting emotional about this,

828
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: and how the hell does something like this happen in

829
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: the most advanced nation in the world has ever known?

830
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 2: In the freest I mean it is.

831
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: I watched a podcast with a Navy Sirshan Ryan show.

832
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: He had some guy on there who is a who's

833
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: an ethical what they call an ethical hacker, who would

834
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: go after these online websites that you talked about, hack

835
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: into the to the background of them, and give law

836
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 1: enforcement all of this, all of this information. People's address

837
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: these pedophiles who pray on these kids. And what struck

838
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: me is, first of all, how local law enforcement, God

839
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: bless him, because their heroes. They go to work every day,

840
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: they don't know if they're ever coming back, Jeff and there.

841
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: They're heroes in our society and they protect us just

842
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: like just like you did. It on the Secret Service.

843
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: But how how just unequipped they are to deal with

844
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: stuff like this and a lot of it. They say, oh,

845
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: this stuff isn't admissible because you hacked it.

846
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 2: Like what?

847
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 1: But but like there are he would tell story Sean

848
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: in this in this other guy on his podcast to

849
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,479
Speaker 1: tell stories about how they would know about these people

850
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: would know about these pedophiles. They're watching these pedophiles, but

851
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: they don't have enough to actually do a sting or

852
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: go after hi because they don't have a case built yet.

853
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: So they're just watching over and over again this pedophile

854
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 1: doing terrible things to kids so they can build a case.

855
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: It's like, well, what about the damn kid who's who's

856
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: been targeted for a year and you know he's being

857
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: targeted for a year. It's almost like, and I'm saying this,

858
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: not you, but it's almost they ever see that movie Untouchables,

859
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: It's almost like we need a unit.

860
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: Like that that that that just.

861
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: Operates behind the scenes with no bureaucratic red tape and

862
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: just goes after these assholes. Because I cannot believe that

863
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: we allow this to happen in America. I just cannot

864
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: believe it.

865
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know the message I send to parents.

866
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 3: And look, I'm not the perfect parent. I tell my

867
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 3: kids all the time. You know, I get I get

868
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff wrong. You know I tell them

869
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 3: I get it wrong. But don't ever question how much

870
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 3: I love you, like you know that thing. But so

871
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 3: I will never judge you as a parent. But here's

872
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 3: how I there's one way I'm going to judge you

873
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 3: as a parent. If you don't know what your kids

874
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 3: are doing online, if you don't know where they're going

875
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 3: and who they're going with, I'm going to judge you

876
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 3: a little bit because guess what, that's how the bad

877
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 3: guys are going to get to your kid through the

878
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 3: gaming systems, through the online chat. You know, they're they're

879
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 3: gonna you know if you like. Look, kids aren't built

880
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 3: to make good decisions, like fifteen year olds aren't good

881
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 3: built twelve year olds. They're not built that way. Their

882
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 3: mind isn't ready yet. So they need our protection like

883
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 3: people that say, like I had one case of a

884
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 3: of a woman her daughter was was trafficked for a

885
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 3: very short time and we were able to and when

886
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 3: I say we, I mean federal law enforcement, local LA enforcement.

887
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 3: We were able to get her recovered, and even after

888
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 3: she was recovered, I was having a conversation with the

889
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 3: mother about, hey, you know, make sure you're watching what

890
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 3: happens on our phone. Look at who's talking to her,

891
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 3: And she said, well, I don't want to invade her privacy.

892
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 3: That's her phone. And I'm like, are you are you

893
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 3: kidding me? Like, you know, the message I said to

894
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 3: my kids is, you know, you'll get You'll get your

895
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 3: privacy when you're when you're an adult out of the house.

896
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 3: You know, if you're in my roof, you know we're

897
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 3: gonna we're gonna have talks and I'm going to protect you.

898
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 3: And it's you just really need there's so many negative

899
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 3: forces trying to get to your kids. And look, you

900
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 3: know I grew up. I'm the youngest of seven kids.

901
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 3: My mother's two brothers lived right next door to each other,

902
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 3: not far from where I grew up, just about three

903
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 3: miles away. Between the two of them, they had twenty kids.

904
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 3: You know, I wasn't as close with my dad's side,

905
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 3: but you know, I had an ant I was closer to,

906
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 3: and so I had all these people who were you know,

907
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 3: role models for me. Who were the coaches you know,

908
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 3: I had great teachers and I was very fore I

909
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 3: went to a high My high school wasn't great, but

910
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 3: you know, I had I had some quality of people there.

911
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 3: You know, we had involvement in sports and stuff like that.

912
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 3: So it was you know, I guess the old saying

913
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 3: it takes a village, right, and and very frankly, it

914
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 3: was a lot of people who were praying for me

915
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 3: when I wasn't even smart enough to pray for myself.

916
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 2: You know.

917
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 3: And again I something like get emotional about. But I

918
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 3: think that's something else that that's that's missing. You know,

919
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 3: my wife and I both work full time, but we

920
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 3: still have that time for our kids. And you look,

921
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 3: and I know a lot of super single parents, but

922
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 3: but it is so it's so tough to just keep track.

923
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 3: But that would be my one piece of advice is

924
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 3: if you know, you just got to know what your

925
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 3: kids are doing online. You got to know who they're with.

926
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 3: And I know it's hard for harder for single parents

927
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 3: when you're when you're just running that solo, but you know,

928
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 3: the you know, when when that unit, when that family

929
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 3: unit dissolves, those kids are going to look for affection

930
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 3: and from whoever's given it to him, or attention, whoever's

931
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 3: given it to him. And it's not always people who

932
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 3: have good intentions.

933
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: Make sure it's And it's so hard today, Jeff, because

934
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like things are so different for

935
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: kids today because with with the internet now, I mean

936
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: you look back, I mean, the internet was like not

937
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: even a thing when I was. I mean maybe like

938
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: towards the tail end of my high school, it was

939
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: in its infancy and stuff. And like I remember going

940
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: on to Napster and like getting on the queue and

941
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: downloading Metallica songs or something something, you know, like way

942
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: and it would take it would take four days to

943
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 1: download one czar or something like. It was like it

944
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: was nothing back then. And cell phones were just flip phones.

945
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: Now we got these phones that like they're like a computer,

946
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: all the information in the world right in the palm

947
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 1: of your hands, and and it you know, most parents,

948
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: I think it's reasonable to say, you know, I want

949
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: my teenagers to have a cell phone. If they're out

950
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: in the event of emergencies, they can call. But these kids,

951
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: you know, bullying takes on a whole different stint in

952
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: today's day and age because it's like back in the day,

953
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: someone wants to someone wants to bully you. It happens

954
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: to school, at least you can you know, you can

955
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,479
Speaker 1: get home and you put it behind you for some time.

956
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: Now you can't because it's on your phone and they've

957
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: got social media and these bullies are posting stuff on

958
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:41,439
Speaker 1: social media. But by the same token, it's like they're

959
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: our kids are constantly exposed to this stuff, and if

960
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: they have a phone, like there's always the possibility in

961
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: the threat that that that they're talking to something they

962
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: might be a completely innocent thing, you know, where you

963
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: have a kid talking to someone who they think is

964
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 1: a kid, but it's not a kid, right, you know.

965
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 3: I mean, you're right all that.

966
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: You just have to be so vigilant, it seems. But

967
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: it's like you talked about the challenge of single parenting.

968
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: It's challenged even if you're even if you're married. It's

969
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: just it's a constant thing. And you were talking about

970
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: if you were how you still walk your daughter to

971
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: the restroom even today. Yeah, because as a parent you

972
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: just always have to be on guard, it seems.

973
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we you know, we went to a

974
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 3: pirate game not too long ago, and you know, it's

975
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 3: it's worth it's worth missing a couple outs to make

976
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 3: sure that you're the one day she's gonna be twenty

977
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 3: and I'm not gonna do it right. But now that

978
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,240
Speaker 3: she's sixteen and my other one's eleven, my son is fourteen,

979
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 3: you know, when they're in this phase, it's worth me

980
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 3: missing a couple outs to make sure I got eyes

981
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 3: on them going in and see them when they come out.

982
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 3: And especially, like like I said, that girl at the

983
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 3: Dallas Members game, her dad probably thought that was one

984
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 3: of the most secure places he could take her. You know,

985
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 3: you come in through metal detectors and there's people in

986
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 3: yellow jackets all over the place, there's police, and she

987
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 3: got taken from that place.

988
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 2: And it's how did it happen? Jeff? Can you give

989
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 2: me a cent? Like what?

990
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 1: I don't know the ins and outs of it, and

991
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: I don't want to be a Monday morning quarterback. But

992
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 1: when these kids, when he grabs her by the arm,

993
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: can't she scream? Can't she say something? I mean, how

994
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: how do you how do these traffickers do it?

995
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 2: Yeah?

996
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 3: Well that's just so it's the intimidation, right, the guy

997
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 3: comes up grabs her by the arm and says, you know,

998
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 3: if you say a word, you know, I'll shoot you

999
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 3: right now, or I'll kill you or whatever. You know,

1000
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 3: And you know that part of what he said, I'm

1001
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 3: not sure, but she was. She was missing for ten

1002
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 3: days and she was eventually recovered in Oklahoma City. So

1003
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 3: that's how far she was traffick not just the number

1004
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 3: of times she was trafficked, but the distance they took

1005
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 3: her from home. So but but that's how we that's

1006
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 3: you know, I tell my parents, my kids, like we

1007
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 3: I think your listeners are gonna think I'm some kind

1008
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 3: of nutsjob.

1009
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 2: But you know, I don't think that at all. I

1010
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 2: don't think that at all.

1011
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: Man, I don't think I think my listeners and they

1012
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: need to They need to hear this.

1013
00:52:58,800 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 2: They need to hear these stories.

1014
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 3: We have drills about different stuff, like the answer if

1015
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 3: somebody tells you grabs you by the arm and says,

1016
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 3: don't make a sound, the answer is to scream. Like

1017
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 3: in my kids to this day, when they walk away

1018
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 3: from you, they're like, hey, I'm gonna run over here

1019
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 3: and do this. I'm like, all right, what's the plan.

1020
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 3: And they're like scream and I'm like, yeah, you know,

1021
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 3: if someone's in our home, Like the plan if someone

1022
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 3: gets in our home is they lay flat on the floor,

1023
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 3: flat on the bed and they scream and I'm like

1024
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 3: why and they're like, because when dad comes in the room,

1025
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 3: anybody who's standing up is going to get shot. And

1026
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, that's.

1027
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 2: Just tell us.

1028
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,439
Speaker 1: I want to hear all of every all of these lessons, yeah,

1029
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: because I mean I want to hear them. I mean

1030
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: because this is this is so so important, it's so.

1031
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 3: Important, you know, I can I can show you one

1032
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 3: hundred I want to say hundreds. That's huge exaggeration. I

1033
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 3: can show you dozens of YouTube videos of kids who

1034
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 3: get abducted, who somebody comes up and grabs their hand

1035
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 3: and they quietly walk away with a child. But I

1036
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 3: can also show you as many that when that child

1037
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 3: starts kicking and screaming, that pervert drops them and runs. Like.

1038
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 3: Bad guys don't want they want the path of least

1039
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 3: resistance and everything right. So it's like when people say, oh,

1040
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 3: my car was broken into, Now you left your door unlocked,

1041
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 3: like because bad guys are just trying doors, like, they're

1042
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 3: not smashing out windows. So when that child starts to fight.

1043
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 3: And this is for adults too, right, because because the

1044
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 3: statistics are odd like oddly the same that someone who's

1045
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,240
Speaker 3: abducted by a stranger, like a true stranger production, not

1046
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 3: a not a non consent, non custodial parent, but like

1047
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 3: a true stranger abduction. It's pretty much the same in

1048
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 3: adults and kids that seventy two percent of them are

1049
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 3: dead within three hours.

1050
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 2: So you know, I tell people like, wait, why is

1051
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 2: that why?

1052
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 3: Well, because yes, because the it's like a fix, right.

1053
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 3: The perv grabs the kid, they go, they do what

1054
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 3: they gotta do to get that energy out of them,

1055
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 3: and now they have this kid, right, and they're like

1056
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 3: and it's like a guy who kidnaps a woman to

1057
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 3: rape the woman he rapes her. Now he's like, well,

1058
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 3: what am I going to do now? And they have

1059
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:14,720
Speaker 3: they kill her. So so it's so you know, those

1060
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 3: those first moments and my kids, you know, we talked

1061
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 3: a little bit about self defense, and it's it's getting

1062
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 3: better now that they're getting bigger, you know, and they

1063
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 3: have a little more strength and can do stuff. But

1064
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 3: you know the big thing is you got to make noise,

1065
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 3: You got to be loud. You got to fight, because

1066
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 3: that's not what the bad guys want. You got to

1067
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 3: draw attention to it, because if not only am I

1068
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 3: going to hear it, but even if I'm at the

1069
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 3: other side of the store at that point, there's gonna

1070
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 3: be probably someone like you there who's going to come

1071
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 3: up to this dude and say, oh, dude, like, what

1072
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 3: are you doing. And even if he starts to like, oh,

1073
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 3: this is my daughter, she's just throwing a tantrum, and

1074
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 3: by that time, I'm going to be there and I'm

1075
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 3: going to say the hell she is? And and you

1076
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 3: know it's but but getting attention is the big thing,

1077
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 3: you know, fighting it even if the fighting isn't effective,

1078
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 3: like a five year old isn't going to overpower a man,

1079
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 3: but that kicking and screaming that, you know, making themselves heavy,

1080
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 3: all that, you know that that's all important. And when

1081
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 3: you look at all those videos of of when kids

1082
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 3: essentially say their own lives, that's what they do. They

1083
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 3: they fight, they make noise, they kick, they scream, the

1084
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 3: yell and it gets attention a and it lets that

1085
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 3: bad guy know this isn't going to be the easy

1086
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 3: pickings you thought it was. Going to be and they're

1087
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 3: gonna they're gonna get out of there.

1088
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 1: When you say make yourself heavy, you're talking about a kid.

1089
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 1: Just like it's like I can make a joke a

1090
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: very serious scenario, but trying to get a kicking and

1091
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: screaming kid out of.

1092
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 2: A car seat or in a car seat, you know,

1093
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 2: just fight like that, like just make it hard for

1094
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 2: them to carry you. Yeah, and you can.

1095
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 3: Still you can make yourself heavy and fight at the

1096
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 3: same time. You know, it's not it's just about you know,

1097
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 3: when someone wants to be carried, it's easy, but when

1098
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 3: someone doesn't, it's you know, you know how different. You know,

1099
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 3: like you said, that three year old that wants to

1100
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 3: weigh a hundred pounds, there are all a sudden one

1101
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 3: hundred pounds, but those are and like I said, these

1102
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 3: are the things that we'll take, you know, twenty minutes

1103
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 3: every week and talk about, you know, like we have

1104
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 3: the fire plan in our house that you know, we

1105
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 3: all meet. The mail boxes for our neighborhood are just

1106
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 3: coincidentally straight across the street from our house, so you know,

1107
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 3: no matter how you go out, we meet at the

1108
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 3: at the mailboxes. So like two of us aren't out back,

1109
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 3: and three of us out front, and now I think

1110
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 3: there's you guys are still in there. So I'm running

1111
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 3: back in a burning house looking for you. You know,

1112
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 3: we all meet at the same place, and you know

1113
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 3: we're all out. The house can burn, we can replace everything.

1114
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 3: So the important thing is getting out and making sure

1115
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 3: everybody's accounted for. You know, situations like you get separated

1116
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 3: in target. You know, our plan is, uh, they're going

1117
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 3: to look for somebody with a name tag, preferably a female.

1118
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 3: Just I know that sounds biased in a lot of ways,

1119
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 3: but the number of female offenders is incredibly small compared

1120
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 3: to male offenders. So they're going to look for someone

1121
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,919
Speaker 3: with a name tag and say, hey, I can't find

1122
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 3: my dad, or I can't find my mom, or they're

1123
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 3: just going to make their way to the customer service

1124
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 3: desk and tell them. And my thing is, if I

1125
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 3: can't find you for a couple of minutes, I'm going

1126
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 3: to make my way to the front of the store

1127
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 3: by the registers and the customer service desk, and hopefully

1128
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 3: we're going to meet up there. But if you don't

1129
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 3: tell your kid that little bit, they're just going to

1130
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 3: wander around that store forever looking for you, and you

1131
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 3: guys can be doing this the whole time and missing

1132
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 3: each other instead of saying, all right, when you get

1133
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 3: that tingle in the back of your head, we've been

1134
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 3: separated too long, go to the front of the store,

1135
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 3: to the service desk, and well that's where you're gonna meet.

1136
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 2: It can happen in a second too. If you've got

1137
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 2: little kids.

1138
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: It's like, imagine you're at a crowded soccer field or something,

1139
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: and you know, you think that you got kids playing

1140
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: in multiple fields, right, and you know, one game ends

1141
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: the other one in shortly after that, you got you know,

1142
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: parents walking this way and that, like super crowded, like

1143
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: may coming. Maybe your kid thinks yeah, maybe you think

1144
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: your kid's going to the car, maybe they're maybe they're

1145
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: going to the concession stand. All of a sudden you

1146
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: lose them and then you panic and it's like, what

1147
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: what do you do in that situation?

1148
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 2: If you're a kid. You know.

1149
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 3: The other thing I would do is whenever we went

1150
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 3: somewhere big, like you know, our local amusement park here

1151
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 3: is Kennywood right in Ytsburgh. But even if it was

1152
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 3: Disney or a concert I would take a picture of them,

1153
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 3: so if something would happen, they would disappear. What are

1154
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 3: the police going to naturally ask, is what was he wearing?

1155
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 3: I could say this and I show them the picture.

1156
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 3: I could even send them the picture and they could

1157
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 3: send it out to everybody who's looking for my child. Now,

1158
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 3: so not that a back. I couldn't throw new clothes

1159
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 3: on them, but that's a pretty you know, that's a

1160
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 3: bigger stretch. So now they have a picture of my

1161
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 3: son exactly what they looked like the last time I

1162
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 3: saw them, or my daughter.

1163
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: Wow, just that two second, great idea. It's a great idea.

1164
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: So what do you what do you tell your kid?

1165
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: I mean it was going to ask you about the

1166
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: separation thing, but what do you tell your kids about?

1167
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 1: You know, because you talk about phones and or just

1168
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: electronics or video games are another thing where they've got

1169
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: these open source chats where kids are playing all these

1170
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: video games and they're talking to people who are strangers

1171
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: because they're like on a team together or something. But

1172
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: really the person they're talking to might not be a

1173
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: twelve year old kid. It might be a thirty year

1174
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 1: old guy pretending to be a twelve year old kid

1175
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: and trying to build a relationship with with them. I mean,

1176
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: how what do you tell your kids about engagements like

1177
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 1: that or do you have any rules or parameters set.

1178
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:36,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, or thing like yeah, And it ticks them off,

1179
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 3: but they don't friend. They're not allowed to friend anybody

1180
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 3: they don't actually know. And you know what, that's probably

1181
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 3: a good practice for adults. Like you know, I'll get

1182
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 3: frame requests and I feel like I sound like a

1183
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 3: joke when I say it's I'll get frame requests from

1184
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 3: people who went to the same high school as me,

1185
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 3: but I didn't really know them, and it's and I

1186
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 3: just it's a leap for me to make that connection.

1187
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 3: So I sometimes, I I should say sometimes usually I will.

1188
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 3: I will always ignored if I don't actually know them.

1189
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 3: But that's that's the big thing. And my kids will

1190
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 3: tell me about, oh, they're so and so's friend from

1191
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 3: and you mentioned soccer, like a soccer team, and I'm like, yeah, no,

1192
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 3: you're not, You're not doing that because there are a

1193
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 3: significant amount of cases. And again it's something you could

1194
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 3: google where it is the the forty five year old

1195
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 3: guy pretending to be a fourteen year old girl and

1196
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 3: I had when I was at Nickmick. You know, there

1197
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 3: were dozens of cases like that where it was just

1198
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 3: you know, someone pretending to be someone else, gained the

1199
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 3: child's trust, got them to meet somewhere. In fact, we

1200
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 3: had one case where it was two guys each pretending

1201
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 3: to be a fourteen year old girl. When they met up,

1202
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 3: we arrested both of them. So you know, they arranged

1203
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 3: this meeting and we just arrested both. So it happens

1204
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 3: quite a bit, you know, and you see the things

1205
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 3: like to catch a predator and stuff like that, you know,

1206
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 3: and I know that's set up in conjunction with law

1207
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 3: enforcement in the places that do it, but you know,

1208
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 3: that's just how it happens, Like they start chatting with

1209
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:19,919
Speaker 3: this person. And I'll tell you one story that happened

1210
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 3: out of Tyler, Texas. A buddy of mine down there

1211
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 3: at the time named Todd Hiles was part of this

1212
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 3: task force. So the Internet service providers have gotten very

1213
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 3: good about, you know, as much as they can knocking

1214
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 3: down these these illicit these illicit posts. So they had

1215
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 3: an undercover who put an ad up that said something

1216
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 3: to the effect of fourteen year old boy looking to

1217
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 3: meet adult men for sex. They put it on Craigslist

1218
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 3: and said meet me at the McDonald's on I don't know,

1219
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 3: I thirty five or whatever. So it was up for

1220
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 3: about ninety seconds and Craigslist immediately took it down when

1221
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 3: they realized what it was. So they set up to

1222
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 3: see who would come show up there to try to

1223
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 3: meet with this with this fourteen year old boy, and Sean,

1224
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 3: I kid you not. He told me. They were coming

1225
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 3: in at such a rate of regularity that their initial

1226
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 3: plan was to arrest them right there in the restaurant,

1227
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 3: take them out front, you know, put them in the

1228
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 3: cars and go. They said, the guys were coming in

1229
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 3: the front so fast that they were ended up taking

1230
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 3: them out the back, so the guys coming in front

1231
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 3: wouldn't see what it was and run off.

1232
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 2: You've got to be kidding me. How would add.

1233
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 3: Up ninety seconds one guy showed.

1234
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 2: Up and all these people saw that in that time.

1235
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and and look this compulsion that these bad guys have.

1236
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 3: They can't they can't help themselves, Like how many times

1237
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 3: do you see on that to catch a predator where

1238
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 3: they say, oh, I knew it was a scale. I

1239
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 3: knew it was a sting. I just couldn't help myself.

1240
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 3: It really is like and I talked to psychologists and

1241
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 3: psychiatrists who say, we wish there was a pill that

1242
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 3: we could give them, like we can give to cure

1243
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 3: you know whatever. But but but this compulsion, like they

1244
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 3: can't they can't resist themselves. One guy at that sting

1245
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 3: in Tyler showed up in a refrigerated truck with like

1246
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 3: five tons of ice cream. So they even called the

1247
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 3: They called the company and said, hey, you might want

1248
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 3: to come get your stuff before, like we're we're seizing

1249
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 3: the we're seizing the the truck and we're arresting him,

1250
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 3: but the trailers still sitting here, if you want to

1251
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 3: come get your product. Yeah, it's uh.

1252
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 2: And these are all these are all men, all all

1253
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:37,959
Speaker 2: sickos doing this stuff.

1254
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the large majority. There's there's there are there

1255
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 3: are female offenders, but they're they're reasonably rare that that happens.

1256
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 3: You'll see it more times in conjunction with acting with

1257
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 3: a male, in concert with a male to lower kids,

1258
01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 3: but the pure female offender is rare.

1259
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, why I mean, what what I mean? It sounds

1260
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 2: like a drug addiction.

1261
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's very close to that. Yeah, that's like

1262
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 3: I said, they can't. They can't help themselves even even

1263
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 3: when they know like that. Like we talked about risk earlier, right,

1264
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 3: the risk of me coming back from Secret Service, washing

1265
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 3: out of Secret Service training, coming back to find a

1266
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 3: new job was a little bit calculated, but would have

1267
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 3: been worth it and ended up being worth it. Worth

1268
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,439
Speaker 3: the risk. These guys are willing to willing to risk

1269
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 3: their liberty, their lives, their marriages, their you know everything.

1270
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 3: They got to very frankly have sex with a child.

1271
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 2: I mean, an add up on Craigslist, of all places.

1272
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 2: It's not like I mean, it's Craigslist, you know, it's

1273
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 2: not like a site.

1274
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 3: That's it's not the dark web.

1275
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, that's right. It's not the dark Web.

1276
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 2: It's Craigslist. So like it was up for ninety seconds,

1277
01:05:57,800 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 2: and you had so many people that you didn't even know.

1278
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 2: That's scary as hell. Yeah, it's scary as well.

1279
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: No, I mean, and again and and so you said,

1280
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 1: you said, my audience would think that you're crazy talking

1281
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 1: about all this stuff with your kids based on these stats.

1282
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 2: How could you not talk about this stuff with your kids? Right?

1283
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 3: And and and thank you for saying that, because it

1284
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Speaker 3: makes me feel a little less crazy.

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Speaker 2: But I mean the thing, I can't believe this.

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Speaker 3: I talk to groups of parents and I tell them, like,

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Speaker 3: this is how easy it is. So if your child

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Speaker 3: has their their their gaming name, and they have their

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Speaker 3: picture as there, and I tell people all the time,

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Speaker 3: don't make your avatar your picture put up. You know

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Speaker 3: mine's Captain America.

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Speaker 2: Right. So so.

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Speaker 3: If I find a child whose avatar is their picture,

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Speaker 3: I already know what they look like, and I'll get

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Speaker 3: in a chat room with them and I'll just say, oh, hey,

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Speaker 3: you look like one of my cousin's friends. You know,

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Speaker 3: he goes to Franklin Regional. Where do you go to school?

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Speaker 3: And you're very innocent kids, very innocently answer maybe I

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Speaker 3: go to Mars. That's where my kids are. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: Oh I have another cousin who lives in Mars. His development.

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Speaker 3: He lives in you know Shady Trees Estates. Where do

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Speaker 3: you live?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 3: I live in you know Smithfield Estates. So now with

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Speaker 3: two questions, I already have the picture. With two questions,

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Speaker 3: I know what school district your kid goes to and

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Speaker 3: what neighborhood you're in. Now, the bad guys do surveillance

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Speaker 3: just like we do. Right, So all it would take,

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Speaker 3: especially for a small school district like Mars, who really

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Speaker 3: only has I think seventeen buses that pick kids up,

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Speaker 3: it would take me probably two days of sitting in

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Speaker 3: that neighborhood that's Smithwood Estates or whatever you want to

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Speaker 3: call it, to do a little surveillance see that kid

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Speaker 3: get off the bus and watch which house he goes to.

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Speaker 3: And as I continue that grooming process, right and now

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Speaker 3: I say, all right, you know, maybe we can meet

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Speaker 3: up sometime. I already know where he lives. So that's

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Speaker 3: how easy it is. It was it was too easy

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Speaker 3: questions to find out you know, where the kid lived,

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Speaker 3: and you know, and eventually, once I build that rapport,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to get their real name, right you're you're,

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Speaker 3: you know, your avatar might say, you know, Captain America.

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Speaker 3: But eventually, you know, I'm going to get the real

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Speaker 3: name out of the kid too. And that's that's just

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Speaker 3: how easy it is. Two or three simple questions that

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Speaker 3: these kids very innocently divulged to someone who they think

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Speaker 3: is a friend online. That's why I tell my kids

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Speaker 3: about if you don't know that person. You're not You're

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Speaker 3: not getting on there and chatting with him.

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Speaker 1: Where, Jeff, where do these predators buying large strike for

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Speaker 1: lack of a better term, where do these interactions with

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Speaker 1: these kids actually happen?

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Speaker 2: Where?

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Speaker 1: I mean, can you give me a sense of how

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Speaker 1: they actually make contact me obviously beyond the craig list stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you said, so someone surveiling a school and they're watching

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Speaker 1: a kid, and that you talk about the grooming process,

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Speaker 1: like talk can you talk about like what that looks

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Speaker 1: like for people? Where these predators strike and if there

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Speaker 1: are warning signs? What what are they?

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Speaker 2: If you're a parent looking at this stuff.

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Speaker 3: So their initial interaction is going to be through places

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Speaker 3: like discord gaming sites, you know, chat rooms and stuff

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01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 3: like that. That's the initial And I had a guy

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Speaker 3: tell me I worked a case where he said, you know,

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Speaker 3: I'll get on these game gaming platforms and I'll send

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Speaker 3: out hundreds of messages to kids a night, hoping I

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01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 3: get one or two reactions. And you know the next

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Speaker 3: step is, you know when you propose the meetup, right,

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Speaker 3: you say, you know, like, hey, you know I'm going

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Speaker 3: to be in your area next week. You know, how

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01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 3: about we meet face to face and the things to

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01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 3: look for, you know, and and that's I know I'm

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01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 3: simplifying it, but that is really how simple it is.

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Speaker 3: That's how fast it happens. And that's what comes back

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Speaker 3: to knowing what your kids are doing online and knowing

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01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 3: who they're hanging out with, and the things to look for,

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01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 3: you know, if if you know, if you're if your

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01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 3: child starts to be more distant, if they're breaking curfew

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01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 3: of course, things like that, if they're turning off the

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Speaker 3: location on their phone and you're not able to say, like, hey,

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Speaker 3: you know, why why is it turning out, if they don't

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01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 3: have a good reason why they're doing that, and if

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Speaker 3: it's happening consistently, and then the other part, so that

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01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 3: might indicate they're they're doing something was they're going somewhere

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Speaker 3: you don't want them to go. But the indicators that

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Speaker 3: they're being trafficked are things like, you know, they're going

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Speaker 3: to become more withdrawn the girls, young girls will start

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01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 3: to wear like more makeup and dress more provocatively.

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Speaker 2: And this is.

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Speaker 3: Something else that like school SROs are trained to look for.

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Speaker 3: Right if that girl all of a sudden is coming

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01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:58,679
Speaker 3: to school tarted up for lack of a better reason.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's something that they're going to pay attention to.

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Speaker 3: So this has gotten you know, more attention from the

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Speaker 3: schools and and you know people who are going to

1377
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Speaker 3: recognize that. There's even training now for police, Like when

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Speaker 3: you pull a car over and there's a miner in

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Speaker 3: the car, what kind of questions you should ask the minor?

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Speaker 3: You know that kind of thing. So, so that's gotten better.

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Speaker 1: You talked, you talked about single parents, Jeff, I mean, uh,

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Speaker 1: what about you know, single parents who work, you know,

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Speaker 1: in schools out for the summer and kids are home

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01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 1: during the summer, and and what do you what do

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Speaker 1: you do? I mean, and maybe kids are old enough

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Speaker 1: that they don't need a babysitter, or maybe they have

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Speaker 1: a babysitter, but the babysitter is not away. First of all,

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Speaker 1: it's like as great as a babysitter is there can be,

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01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 1: and it's still not their own children. So maybe they

1390
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:42,759
Speaker 1: don't know to look for some of this stuff.

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Speaker 2: What do you do? What what are single.

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Speaker 1: Parents do in those scenarios when they're at work all

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Speaker 1: day and their kids are at home.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, again, it's so tough you know, you have to

1395
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 3: look for those signs that you know, again if they're

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01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 3: if they're being exploited, you know, those signs of withdraw

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01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,599
Speaker 3: you know, and you're looking for you know, they're they're

1398
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 3: pulling away there, you know, they just the idea of sadness.

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Speaker 3: If they're answering calls in the middle of the night,

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01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 3: if they're trying to leave at odd hours, you know,

1401
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 3: all that is going to be like someone's calling them

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01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:19,439
Speaker 3: and saying, hey, you got to be here, so it

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01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 3: you know, those are all those are all indications. But yeah,

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01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 3: it's tough. I mean, like you know, I I'm I

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01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 3: see my kids less than a day than I don't

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01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 3: see them, right, So I get home from work at

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01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 3: four o'clock and you know they go to I go

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01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:36,439
Speaker 3: to bed at ten. That's six hours of the day.

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01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 3: So I have this six hour window where I see them,

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01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 3: but there's more hours in the day that I don't

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01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 3: see them, you know, same with my wife. So yeah,

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01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 3: like you said, a single parent'sy it's even tougher. And

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01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 3: then you're you're trusting, like you said, you're trusting that

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01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:54,679
Speaker 3: person who isn't emotionally invested with your child. The way,

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01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 3: you are right to to do the right thing. But

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01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 3: it's yeah, it's tough, you know, but but the big things,

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01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 3: you know, and I think the things we had growing

1418
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 3: up were you know, open dialogues. You know, don't be

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01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 3: afraid to have tough conversations with your kids. You know

1420
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 3: they'll roll their eyes a lot, but you know, you know,

1421
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:14,640
Speaker 3: make sure they know that they can come to you

1422
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:18,639
Speaker 3: and make sure you have plans and you know, stuff

1423
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 3: like that. It's that that communication pieces is going to

1424
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:23,599
Speaker 3: be big because, like I said at the very beginning,

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01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 3: if they're not getting the attention from us, they're going

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01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 3: to find it somewhere else, you know. And we've all

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01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 3: seen these stories and we all know the stories that

1428
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 3: like that.

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Speaker 1: So well, Jeff, if if somebody, you know, if let's

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01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 1: say the worst happens and we see some of these

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01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 1: stories where kids go missing and you said, seventy two hours,

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01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 1: how often did you find a kid after they went missing?

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Speaker 3: Well there's this there's been more of a phenomenon lately

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01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 3: of what's called long term missing recoveries. Someone like you know,

1435
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 3: goes back to like Elizabeth Smart, where she was gone

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01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 3: for what nine months? I believe we're actually seeing some

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01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 3: of these kids who were gone, the three girls in

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01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:13,680
Speaker 3: Cleveland who were gone ten twelve years respectively. You know,

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01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:18,760
Speaker 3: this has kind of become a phenomenon that's happening. But

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01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 3: for the large majority of kids who are who are

1441
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 3: in a true stranger abduction, time is of the essence.

1442
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:29,719
Speaker 3: I tell people all the time, like, you know, don't

1443
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 3: don't waste an hour looking for your kid. If you

1444
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 3: can't find them, call the police. Get get boots on

1445
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 3: the ground, moving and mobilized to look for your child.

1446
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 3: And people say like, oh, you know, I didn't want

1447
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 3: to bother the police. Hey, you know what, that's that's

1448
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,599
Speaker 3: why we're here bother us like this, this is our

1449
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 3: like your child will become our mission. So you get

1450
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 3: people moving, and you know, if an amber alert is

1451
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 3: is justified. You know, you really can't have an amber

1452
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 3: alert unless you have a description of a car. But

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01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 3: if that's something that you have, if a witness says, yeah,

1454
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 3: so I'm getting that silver Corolla and take off, you know,

1455
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 3: get that, get that put out. The Amber alert system

1456
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 3: is is wow, just so many kids saved because of

1457
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 3: an Amber alert. But it's that's the big thing is

1458
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:23,639
Speaker 3: is you know, a quick response timeliness in that response.

1459
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 3: But I would also tell parents never to give up hope.

1460
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 3: You know, if the worst thing happens and your child disappears.

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01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 3: We're seeing again this, this pattern of kids being recovered

1462
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:38,720
Speaker 3: years later, and it's, uh, it's the closest thing to

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01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 3: a miracle you ever see.

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01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 2: Frankly, Jeff, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've been talking to you in that for

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Speaker 1: an hour and fifteen minutes, and I mean I would

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Speaker 1: love to. I mean, I so much I want to

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01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:51,800
Speaker 1: talk to you about, but I don't want to keep

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01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 1: you for too long. I mean, maybe you can just

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Speaker 1: come back for a part two, would that be okay?

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Speaker 1: I'd love to, Yeah, I mean because there's so much.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I want to talk about your time protecting presidents,

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01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 1: I want to talk about what you're up to now,

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01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:07,720
Speaker 1: and I just I just feel like an hour and

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Speaker 1: fifteen minutes is on one subject.

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Speaker 2: Man, I want to be respectful of your time, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be glad to come back, all right, everybody,

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01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 1: Jeff James, I'm talking to him for seventy five minutes

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01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 1: on the horrors of child sex trafficking and what parents

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01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 1: can do to protect their families and protect their children.

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01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 2: Pragmatic things, ladies and gentlemen, And so, as.

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01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:34,000
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Speaker 1: algorithm stuff that I don't really understand. But as always,

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Speaker 1: thank you for watching. Never quit, never surrender. God bless

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Speaker 1: you all, and God bless us this amazing country that

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Speaker 1: we live in. Jeff, thanks for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Man hmm