1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: The report cards came out and they looked like a 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: Charlie Kohler report card here. It was very important to 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: me and one of the one of the real um 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: aspects of this trade that was critical for me to 5 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: do the trade was that this trade remained secret. If 6 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: I told you in February, you're getting Kyle Hamilton a fourteen, 7 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: what would you have said. I just said, no way. 8 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: When the draft starts, the game really does begin. But 9 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: in the end, you've always got to pay the piper. 10 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: Welcome into the lounge presented by Draft Kings today as 11 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: a special day, Garrett, because we get to pick Eric 12 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: Decasa's brain about what he was thinking heading into the 13 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: draft and during the draft, and specifically whether I was 14 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: closer to being right with my first round pick or 15 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: whether you and we all know what it's gonna be. 16 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: But I'm just saying we're getta confirmed today. Yeah, yeah, Well, look, 17 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: this is pretty rare and cool opportunity to have to 18 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: just to sit down with the man who just made 19 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: eleven picks for the Ravens. Okay, this was a pretty 20 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: historic draft for the Ravens to make eleven picks, six 21 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: and the four round and everybody's saying that this was 22 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 1: a great draft unanimously. It's not often that it's unanimous. 23 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: And and we made the you know, the comment when 24 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: we did the reaction podcast Saturday night after the seven 25 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: rounds concluded, and we said, you know, it was just 26 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: kind of Rents repeat all weekend the Ravens to make 27 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: a pick, and the instant reaction would be, I can't 28 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: believe the Ravens got this guy who was there at 29 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: that point. And that was just the trend throughout the weekend, 30 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: and there was a clear, you know, priority to get 31 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: the best available players, and the Ravens did that all 32 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: weekend long. And that is a credit to the philosophy 33 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: and the strategy that they had going into the draft 34 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: of da Costa is obviously the one behind all that. 35 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: So with no further ado, let's jump right into that interview. 36 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: We are thrilled to have general manager Eric da Costa 37 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: here with us to review the draft, give us some 38 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: insight into what was going on inside the war room. Uh, 39 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: and I want to start here, Eric. So the report 40 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: cards came out the next day after the draft, and 41 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: these things for us, they look like a chart. Charlie 42 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: Kohler report card here, all right, it was straight a's 43 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: across the board. Do you wake up the morning after 44 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: the draft and kind of check out the report card? 45 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: See if you're gonna put it on the fridge. I 46 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: would say that I get notified by various people. My children, 47 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: my wife, family, friends will notify me. It feels good. 48 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: You know, I hadn't really gotten straight as since probably 49 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: high school. I certainly didn't get straight as at Colby 50 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: College in Maine. Um, so, you know, it's it's cool, 51 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: But in the end, it's really the feeling that you 52 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: get when you just like the player, when you talk 53 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: to him on the phone. When you get a guy 54 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: that if you're really strongly about where the ownership, the 55 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: coaches like him, the scouch like him, um, the head 56 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: coach like them. That's when you know you've got a 57 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: good player that's gonna come in and really help the team, 58 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: not what the media says or what the report cards say. Right. So, 59 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: as as this draft is going on, we spent so 60 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: much time talking about obviously, who is going to be 61 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: when you go into a draft. Are you hoping that 62 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: a player falls like you know, we talked about Derek 63 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: Stanley and Sauce Gardner and the potential of maybe those 64 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 1: guys could fall, and you trade up, like how are 65 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: you approaching it? And are you rooting for one of 66 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: those guys to kind of fall down the board? I mean, 67 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 1: you do? You do do that? Before the draft, you 68 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: kind of think about the various scenarios and who could 69 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: fall and who may not fall and who won't be there. 70 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: But when the draft starts, the game really does begin. 71 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: And for me, it's really strategic. You know, it's like 72 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: playing a game of Chess or risk or Strtigo, which 73 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: games that I liked as a kid. You know, when 74 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: you're just like trying to figure out if this happens, 75 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: and this happens, and if this happens, this is what 76 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: we're gonna do. If the phone rings, we may do 77 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: this based on these players. And so as you get 78 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: into the heat of the moment, you don't really have 79 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: time to think about the emotional aspect of like which 80 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: players might be there. You're just focused on like, listen, 81 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: no matter what happens, we have to make the best 82 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: pick or we react accordingly. And so I try not 83 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: to get caught up in that. And it's always gonna 84 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: be an emotion when you're sitting on a guy and 85 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: he gets picked, which we can talk about later, but 86 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: in the end, you gotta make a pick at some point. 87 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: You have to have the pick in mind and you 88 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: have to be strategic, it's smart, and make the best 89 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: pick you can. So, like, you know, as the draft 90 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: is going on, all a sudden, Stanley comes off the 91 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: board at three. That was kind of like an inflection point, 92 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: like you didn't nobody knew, well, we didn't know what 93 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: the Texans are gonna do you know what I mean? 94 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: Instinctly seemed like a little bit of a super surprise 95 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: there to degree. Yeah, like like you're kind of like, 96 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: oh no, Like do you guys do that in the 97 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 1: draft room? Is is that kind of how it goes? 98 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: Like at that point it would be closer to your 99 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: pick maybe where there's a little bit of um anger 100 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: or frustration or disappointment. Maybe like if you're sleeping on 101 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: one guy that you think is going to be then 102 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: you're getting very close to the pick and he gets 103 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 1: picked right before you pick. That's a tough feeling. But 104 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: you know, five picks before, ten picks before, um, it's 105 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: really just business as usual, carry on, like We're just 106 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: trying to organize our thoughts. I'm trying to be as 107 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: clinical as possible. I mean, honestly, like, no one's talking 108 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: to me leading up to our pick. Everyone leaves me alone. Yeah, 109 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: Analger that was literally, no, there's no one talking to me. 110 00:04:55,960 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 1: Everyone's just quiet. Um, it's silence. And you know, the 111 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: first person that may say something would be Steve saying 112 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: who are we picking? And honestly, up until the point 113 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: that we make the pick, no one in the draft room, 114 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: those who were picking except for me. Wow, So did 115 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: you like, how confident were you that, uh, you knew 116 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: who we were going to end up taking. Did you 117 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: did you feel like when the first round started, Okay, 118 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: we got a decent shot of Kyle Hamilton's No, I 119 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: wouldn't say that, Ryan, you know, I wouldn't say that. 120 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: I would have guessed somebody else. I would have thought 121 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: maybe one or two other players might be there, or 122 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: we would have traded out. And for me, actually, the 123 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: scenario that I thought would probably be most accurate might 124 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: be that a team picking in the twenties would have 125 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: traded up to fourteen to take a receiver. And I thought, 126 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: looking out at it, that maybe Chris Olave might have 127 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: been there at fourteen and had that happened, I feel 128 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: like our phone would have rung. Interesting. So the interesting things. 129 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,040 Speaker 1: So after the cornerbacks both go then to do of 130 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: that went right? Then it was a run on offensive 131 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: tackles and wide receivers kind of like you're mentioning, right, 132 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: and the run on receivers was really what was gonna 133 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: push somebody down to us. Were you rooting for a 134 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: run on wide receivers and and was there at any 135 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: point because you knew that you were going to trade 136 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: Marquis Brown that you thought maybe you could even get 137 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: in on that run on wide receivers. Yeah, So that 138 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: was part of my strategy was to keep the trade 139 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: as quiet as possible, which is very hard to do 140 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: in this business. And you guys would want probably surprised 141 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: too that this thing didn't leak out. And that's a 142 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: credit to the Cardinals, that's the credit to Hollywood and 143 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: his agent and to uh Me, I guess, but it 144 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: was very important to me. Then. One of the one 145 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 1: of the real um aspects of this trade that was 146 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: critical for me to do the trade was that this 147 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: trade remained secret because there were two factors. One, perhaps 148 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: there was a receiver there that we might have picked. Two. 149 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 1: I didn't want a team that needed a receiver to 150 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: jump us to take the receiver. I wanted them to 151 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: come to our spot. I didn't want to reduce our 152 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: potential for making a trade. Um, And I also want 153 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: to keep alive of the potential that we might have 154 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: drafted a wide out. If there was a while out 155 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: there that we would have taken. It wasn't just any 156 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: wide out, it was a specific wide out that we 157 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: might have taken it fourteen. So um, what made this 158 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: draft special I think was that the receivers there wasn't 159 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: around on receivers, disappointing to us in some ways because 160 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: it probably reduced our potential of doing a trade and 161 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: getting more draft capital. On the other hand, Kyle Hamilton's 162 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: fell and he was a player that we coveted, and 163 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: so for us, even though we didn't have a trade opportunity, 164 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: even though there wasn't really a receiver there that we 165 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: would have taken it fourteen, in hindsight, the fact that 166 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: Kyle was there made it a home run for us. Interesting. Yeah, 167 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: it's kind of you know, looking back on it, like 168 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: as a receiver start going. I'm sitting there cheering in 169 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: my head. I'm like, take all these even anything about 170 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: the child. And then the picks made, and then the 171 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: Hollywood News is announcing a fan at the draft. I 172 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: was in Vegas and a fan said to me, did 173 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: they just trade Hollywood? And I said, no, you just 174 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: got I thought he got make take he got the 175 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: fake fake Rabbit account. I thought that's exactly. I thought 176 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: that's what happened. I was like, no, that's the fake account. 177 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: He's like, no, look at it. I'm like, I guess 178 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: it's real. I guess it's real. Well, you know, if 179 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: Ryan reported and it would have been questions strongly by 180 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: that community, just would have been another one of those 181 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: Minki isms. But m yeah, so that you know, I 182 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: let's just say this. I'm sure you guys probably asked 183 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: me about Hollywood. Hollywood is probably one of the players 184 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: that I have the most regard for and affection for, 185 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 1: because he's my first pick that I made as a GM, 186 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: and he and I have a great relationship, still have 187 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: a great relationship. He and I talked multiple times this spring, 188 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: and um, you know, I'm under the opinion and maybe 189 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: I'm just mellowing as I get older. But if players 190 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: really don't want to play here, then I don't have 191 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: a strong feeling for keeping them. All things being equal, 192 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: you know, Um, I appreciated his thoughts, appreciated you know, 193 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: where he was at in his career, Um, and I 194 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: told him I would try to help him, all things 195 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: being equal, but the organization had to win meeting. We 196 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: had to make a trade that I felt was a 197 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: strong trade beneficial to the Ravens. We made a lot 198 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: of trades, as you guys know, Some look great at 199 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 1: the time, some look great after the fact. Some look 200 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 1: great at the time and end up being bad trades. 201 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: But for me, I always want to win the trade, 202 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: and I'm always gonna try to win the trade no 203 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: matter what happens in the short term and also the 204 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: long term. That was very important to me, and I 205 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:57,479 Speaker 1: expressed that to Hollywood. He understood, his agent trede Andy understood, 206 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: and we felt that, you know, all things being equal, 207 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: I would have preferred to keep Hollywood, but knowing his mindset, 208 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: knowing what was important to him, his desires, we made 209 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: a trade that we feel like we could live with 210 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: at the time, that will look good in the future, 211 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 1: and um, we look forward to watching him play in Arizona, 212 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: but we also look forward to watching Tyler Linda Barhm 213 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: play here in Baltimore. Right. Well, and when you step back, 214 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: I mean, you've got three years of Marquees playing on 215 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: his rookie contract and then you recute essentially the pick 216 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: that you used on him. So I mean, just business wise, 217 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: like that's a good move. Yeah, And also there's the 218 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: financial aspect of it. We save a little bit of 219 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: money this year, not much, but that next year moving forward, 220 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: you know, had we picked up his fifth year option, 221 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: we're talking about over thirteen million dollars plus. Now we're 222 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: talking about a long term contract, which, as you guys 223 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: have seen, these wide receiver contracts like off the chart, 224 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: and that would be pretty hard for us to do. 225 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask about this later, but while we're 226 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: on this topic, I think it's kind of interesting like 227 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: this this off season in the NFL is unlike anything 228 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: we've ever seen. You've just seen so much player movement. 229 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: You know, marquee players like Tyreek Hill and Russell Wilson 230 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: and Shaun Watson like getting moved around. Does that How 231 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: is that factored Marky's Brown, Like, how is that factored 232 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: into as you're building the team, the strategy that goes 233 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: into it, And do you think that this is like 234 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: a new normal? Like to me, it's a little bit 235 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 1: more NBA esque with player movement. And do you think 236 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: this is kind of the new normal that we're gonna 237 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: see in the NFL? Well, I do agree with you. 238 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: I think the NBA has affected our league for sure. Um, 239 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 1: I just think what it does is it it really 240 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 1: tells me or shows me that the draft is truly paramount. 241 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: I mean there's certainly different ways of doing things. I mean, 242 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 1: the Rams less need those guys UM Coach McVeigh and 243 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: Kevin dem Off. I mean, they did an amazing job 244 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: this year of building that team, and the way that 245 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: they were able to do it is very unique and 246 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: different than anyone else. But I still feel that with 247 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: the pace scale as such, that the draft, having a 248 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: litany of picks, drafting as many players as you can 249 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: every year is really really important at least the way 250 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: that I think about constructing a team that really fits. 251 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: Because contracts going up and up and up, the salary 252 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 1: cap will continue to go up and up and up, 253 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: and if you have really good players. It's just simple economics. 254 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: You can't keep everybody, and so having young players on 255 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: rookie pay scale every year is critical and it makes 256 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 1: a lot of sense to do it that way. You can, certainly, 257 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 1: as I said, do it another way, but for us, 258 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: when I look at the end result of what we're 259 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: trying to accomplish, having multiple draft picks every year, having 260 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: as many draft picks in the first, second, third, fourth 261 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: rounds every single year is critical to keeping a stable 262 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: franchise and a strong foundation of players. So let's get 263 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: back into the first round and kind of how it 264 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: was unfolding. So it picked thirteen, right, So Jamison Williams 265 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: goes to the Lions pick thirt team, You've got Kyle 266 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: Hamilton's on the board and Jordan Davis. The Eagles decide 267 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: to trade up in front of us, presumably thinking we're 268 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: gonna take Jordan Davis, which was a very popular mock 269 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: draft pick to us. What's going through your head when 270 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: you see the Eagles trade up? I was thinking, thank 271 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: god Kyle Hamilton's is still on the board because he 272 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: was the highest rated player, quite honestly, and it wasn't 273 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: super close between those two. Now, people have asked me, 274 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: would you have taken Jordan Davis? Yeah, we would have. 275 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: Jordan Davis was an excellent football player, is an excellent 276 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: football player. It fits us very very well. But as 277 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: we mocked out and looked at all the different scenarios 278 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: and no scenario did we see Kyle there for us? 279 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: And so yes, I think it was an easy pick 280 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: for most mock drafts to make because Jordan Davis would 281 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: have been the highest rated player in most mock drafts 282 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: at that time, but that would assume that Kyle Hamilton's 283 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: wasn't on the board. So for us, um as I've said, 284 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: it was a gift that Kyle was there, because had 285 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: Kyle been gone and had Jordan's been gone, we would 286 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: have been in the conundrum right then you would have 287 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: been looking for the trade back. Yeah. I really wasn't 288 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: ringing at that time, right inter thing, If I told 289 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: you in February you're getting Kyle Hamilton's a fourteen, what 290 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: would you have said? I just said, no way, Yeah, yeah, 291 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: it didn't look like it. I mean sometimes I feel 292 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: like it's almost like a blessing, like you root for 293 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: some guys, or when you see him run a forty time. 294 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: That's a little bit slower than expected. You're like, all right, 295 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: that's how we that's how we got to el right exactly. 296 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: So um, there is sometimes it's like with David a job, 297 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: but who will talk about David not gotten hurt, which 298 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: was a terrible thing for him. There's no chance he'd 299 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: be a Baltimore Raven right now? Right? Could he have been? 300 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: This is a question for later also, but could he 301 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: have been the pick at fourteen? Had he not been, 302 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: he probably would have been. He would have been in 303 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: that scenario. He probably would have been, but I'm not 304 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: really sure, and I would say it would have been 305 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: doubtful looking at this thing now in hindsight, that he 306 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: would have been there at fourteen for us. Interesting, So 307 00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: you're I mean, it's crazy. So you're you know a 308 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: and going back to you know, this hypothetical in February, 309 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: you get two guys in this draft you thought at 310 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: that time probably wouldn't even have been there at fourteen, 311 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: and you end up with both of them. That's pretty remarkable. 312 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: And we in December we talked about taking Linda Obomba 313 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: at at wherever we picked. So you know, one way 314 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: I look at one of the way, if we want 315 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: to really feel good about the draft, we got three 316 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: guys that we would have probably considered in the first round. 317 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: When Travis Jones was even getting some late first round 318 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: buzz in some people's like Tom Palaceero put it out 319 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: that maybe he could sneak in there because there was 320 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: some uncertainty as to who could go at the end 321 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: and it wasn't a strong year for defensive lineman. We 322 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: agonized about that, and that was one of the reasons 323 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: why Jordan Davis was a good pick for us, because 324 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: there weren't many defensive linemen and to get a defensive 325 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: linement with that talent for us, it was only only 326 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: three or four guys, and for us to get Kyle, 327 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: which we were ecstatic about, and then miss out on 328 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: Jordan's but then turn around, uh and do that get Jones, 329 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: then for us it was a no brainer. Right. I 330 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: want to talk about So you now signed Marcus Williams 331 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: this offseason and drafted Kyle Hamilton's so you you know, 332 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: we've always invested a lot in the secondary, but now 333 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: to top flight safeties, maybe the best tandem in the league. 334 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: Obviously you're gonna take Kyle just because the value was there. 335 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: It was just a home run pick. But was there 336 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: also talk about the evolution of the NFL and saying 337 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: all right and looking at our a f C North 338 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: foes and saying two safeties elite safeties, like that is 339 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: just the way the NFL is trending these days. Yeah, 340 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: I think, you know, there's a lot of reasons for it. 341 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: We you know, I don't want I don't want to 342 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: really give away a lot of things, um, analytically, but 343 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: I think one of the things that we do is 344 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: we listen to our analysts upstairs, and I'm proud of 345 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: those guys the work that they do. And there's a 346 00:16:54,360 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: sense that safeties and tight ends are actually worth a 347 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: lot more than people would perceive them to be worth. Um. 348 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: And a lot of that has to do with the 349 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: rise of the passing game and what their impact is 350 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: on the passing game. And so maybe they're not corners, 351 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: maybe they're not wide receivers, but they impact the game 352 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 1: quite a bit and so for us. And there's a 353 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: theme in this draft I think too that you guys 354 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: could see in the theme for this offseason. Um, you know, 355 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: we play some teams that have excellent passing games, you 356 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: play some teams that have great young offensive talent, and 357 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: the idea that we've got really really strong corners and 358 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: potentially elite tight at some point maybe safeties. That's a 359 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: comforting factor for us and and we feel like that 360 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: gives us a really strong chance to be a good 361 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 1: defense and to build a really good team. So with 362 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: linder Bomb, you know, during the pre draft press conference, 363 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: you you talked about how you like big centers, and 364 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: you kind of threw us off the scent a little 365 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: bit and the red herring. Yeah, and we but that's 366 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: like the debate right always, And it's kind of like, 367 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: you know, the year before you you said, you know, 368 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: we love our receiving corps and you took Bateman and 369 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: and then and then we was to talk about big centers, 370 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: and I'll be honest, I felt like, maybe they're not 371 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: gonna take leondar Baum just because of that factor, you know, 372 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: just the size thing. Um. But what about him made 373 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: you feel like, Okay, well he's so I mean, maybe 374 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: he's a little bit undersize of what you preferably want, 375 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: but he's such a good player that it's worth it. Yeah, 376 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: So what I would say first to that is. You know, 377 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: I try to be as transparent and candidate as possible, 378 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: but I also want to win. So whatever I say 379 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: leading up to the draft, I mean, maybe our fans 380 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: don't really want to hear this, but there's always gonna 381 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: be an element of truth. But there's always gonna be 382 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: a mirage. There's always gonna be a smoke screen. There's 383 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: always gonna be something that I say that might be 384 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: interpreted differently. I love that I actually laugh about that 385 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: that people might actually think that we're gonna do there, 386 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: So we're gonna do this, or I don't like this player. 387 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: I do like this player. And it's just listen, we're 388 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: trying to compete with three one other teams. And I 389 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 1: also make this job. You gotta make it fun. So um, 390 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,959 Speaker 1: the game within the game, I say, we're like big centers, 391 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 1: Yeah we do, but we also like gas kicker centers 392 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: and and and we like mean centers, and we like 393 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: smart centers, and we like athletics centers. So um, we 394 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: love good football players. And Tyler, for me, he is 395 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 1: one of the best football players in this draft in 396 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: any position across the board. And so yeah, maybe we 397 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: weren't gonna take him at fourteen. Maybe we would take 398 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: him at fourteen. But the game within the game is 399 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: actually getting him at a point where you think you 400 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 1: can get him and getting an excellent football player who's 401 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: going to help you win for years and years and 402 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: years and years to come. And if people want to think, oh, 403 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: you know, they're not going to take a center because 404 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: he's too small, because Da Costa said they're like big centers. Yeah, 405 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: we do like big centers. We love big, tough, athletic 406 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: centers and smart centers. If those guys exist, they go 407 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 1: top five. So to get a guy like Tyler who 408 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: has everything you want except maybe he's not three in 409 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: fifteen pounds, good for us. I think you've mastered that 410 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: game within the game, because I mean I remember even 411 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: at the combine you brought up winder Bomb and the 412 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: conversations that you had with him there and you know, 413 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: the Iowa connection, and it was like I remember my 414 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 1: in my head, I'm like, all right, they're not taking 415 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: winder Bomb, and he brought him up and then I'm like, 416 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: but wait does he you know? It's like wait, wait, 417 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: I'm like wait, did he bring him up to think that? Now? 418 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: What that we think they're not gonna take him, but 419 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: actually they really like him. It's like there's this game 420 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: that everyone's trying to figure out, and I think, as 421 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: you said, you have a lot of fun playing that game. 422 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: One of my favorite one of my favorite is just 423 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: a pop culture thing. One of my favorite movies is 424 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: The Usual Suspects, And I love Verbal, the character of Verbal, 425 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: because he's just sitting there and he's being questioned, right 426 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,959 Speaker 1: He's being questioned by the police, and he's looking at 427 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: the board, and he's looking in the office, and he's 428 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: looking at the coffee mug, and he's looking at everything, 429 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: and he's just fabricating a story that works for him 430 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: at the time. A certain genius there. I love it. 431 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: I love it. So So you signed Morgan Moses, You 432 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 1: draft Tyler Lindenbaum, you draft Daniel. Can you talk about 433 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: the conversations that you had pre draft about building a 434 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: wall around Lamar and the importance of doing that, well, 435 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: I mean some of that actually it's just stems from 436 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: conversations that we've had with Lamar. And you know, I've 437 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: had Lamar. I've had conversations with Lamar many times, and 438 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: I said, Lamar, what can we do to help you 439 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: what is most important to you. And honestly, the thing 440 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: that he always comes back to is the offensive line. 441 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: And that's one thing that John feels really strongly about 442 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,239 Speaker 1: and Gregg feels really strongly about. And you know, I 443 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: believe as well that you went up front and um, 444 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 1: you think of our best teams and some of our 445 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: best teams we've ever had, we've had a strong, imposing, dominating, athletic, 446 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: smart offensive line. So that was a point of emphasis. 447 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: I wasn't happy with last year how last year went down. 448 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: I've taken the blame um for the lack of depth 449 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: the tackle spots, specifically last year. And uh, I don't 450 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: want that to happen again. I don't want to be 451 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: held hostage by injuries. And so that was a game 452 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: plan for us. How do we best build the offensive line? 453 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: What kind of traits are we looking for? What kind 454 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 1: of players are we looking for? And uh, and that 455 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: was a point of emphasis. Was Flea the largest human 456 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: being you've ever scouted? Yeah? So years ago I scout 457 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: the Midwest and there was a guy named Aaron Gibson 458 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 1: who was a tackle that played at Wisconsin. He was 459 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,239 Speaker 1: a big dude. Um as well, but I think, you know, 460 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: Daniels probably right up there as one of the biggest 461 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: guys ever for sure. And obviously I think when you 462 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: make that pick, and he actually talked about it after 463 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: the pick, is the Orlando Brown comparison, You just you 464 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: see the size and obviously our minds kind of go 465 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: right there was was Orlando, and that his success here 466 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: at all kind of part of the thought process and 467 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: thinking that Folele would be a good fit in this offense. Oh, 468 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I never like to compare 469 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: players that much, especially players like Orlando, you know, to 470 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: bowl tackles. Orlando did everything the right way, and he 471 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: was tough and mean, and he had a high care 472 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: factors and he's a great player and a great friend. 473 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: And I wish him the very best. And I pulled 474 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: for Orlando every single chance I get um. But Daniel 475 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: is his own person, he's his own talent, He's got 476 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: his own set of skills. He's been a right tackle. 477 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 1: Orlando was a left tackle. He played the right side. 478 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: Daniel has only been playing football I think since like 479 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen. There's a there's a steep learning curve. 480 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 1: But he's also got traits that would put him in 481 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: the top five percent of offensive tackles, size and length, 482 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,479 Speaker 1: of physicality, of the strength. So um, listen, we just 483 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: we thought in the fourth round it was way too 484 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: much talent and value for us to ignore. Uh. You know, 485 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,479 Speaker 1: it's a classic you know, Warren Buffett, you know, um 486 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: value investing, and when the price of a company drops 487 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: down below what you think that value is, then you pounce. 488 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: And uh, Daniel, that was the case. But looking at him, 489 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 1: when we see the size and we see the upside, 490 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: and we see the traits, and we see the tape 491 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: and what he can be, and for us in the 492 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: fourth nunber like, we gotta take this guy with the 493 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: job bill. You know a lot of times the early 494 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: edge rushers that we've taken have been these kind of 495 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: big bodied run stuffers that Terrell Suggs, you know, now 496 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: always a little bit different, certainly different building Tarrell Suggs, 497 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 1: but run stuffer right, and you knew obviously he had 498 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: a lot of past rushing potential. With their job bill, 499 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: it seems like I mean this in terms of past 500 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: rushing talent, this dude is special and unlike some of 501 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: our previous picks, do you see him as a very 502 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: special just a guy that can get after quarterbacks. Yeah, 503 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 1: he's got all the traits, Ryan. I mean, so we 504 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: watched a lot of Big ten football. Obviously with the 505 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 1: Maryland team here, we get a chance to see these 506 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: guys live quite a bit as well. I scouted the 507 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 1: Midwest for many years, and so I'm partial to the 508 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: midw West. Uh. With John's connection to Michigan and Mike McDonald, 509 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: we watched a lot of Michigan tape. This was a 510 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: guy that just burst onto the scene this year and 511 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: in some rays reminiscent of another guy years and years 512 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 1: and years ago, Ziggy Ansa who came in and was 513 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: basically a one year player and just kind of burst 514 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: onto the college scene and was a top ten pick. 515 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: I think, um, all the traits. This guy's got all 516 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 1: the traits. He had a great year. He played huge 517 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: and big games, very very explosive runs to the football, 518 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: you know. And then I think, if if you were 519 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: saying to me, Eric, what's one thing that you look 520 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 1: forward defensive players above anything else, It's it's running to 521 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: the football and making plays. Maybe someone else should have 522 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 1: made that you make And uh and and David did that, 523 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: and David just really impressed us with his demeanor. And 524 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 1: again you talked about a high ceiling, there is no 525 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: there is no ceiling with this guy. You know, this 526 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: guy can go as high as he wants to go. 527 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 1: It's right there for him. He's got all the trades 528 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: you look for. He's the right type of kid. Um. 529 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: He had a great season this year against top competition, 530 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: and we think this guy's just going to explode once 531 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 1: he gets healthy. A player who I've got a I 532 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: guess the soft spot for in this draft is is 533 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: Jalen Armor Davis. And that's because I took him in 534 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: my mock. It was my one out of the leven. 535 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: That was my one hit out of you got and 536 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: I got Jailan Armored Davis. So we each had one 537 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 1: uh in this year's or it's not very good. Well, 538 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: I had Jordan Davis too, so we found out that 539 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: could have easily been the pick you were I took 540 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 1: with Duffy. So all right, so Jaylen Armor Davis. Eric 541 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: just shook his head. He said, now, so when you 542 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: make when you make the pick for him? The Alabama 543 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: cornerback was Ozzi knew some the happiest guy in the 544 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: room to see you take your first Alabama guy since 545 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: you become GM was happy, as I said, like, we 546 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: we have a game plan, and when we went into 547 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: the fourth round, we had a list. We have a 548 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: list of players, and so we needed we needed about 549 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: I don't know names or so to get through the round. 550 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 1: We thought and we got the top three names on 551 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: our list with our first three picks, and so we're excited. 552 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: Um Jalen is a guy that you know, when you 553 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 1: watch this tape, you just saw the body control, the quickness, 554 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: the knee been, the flexibility to speed and quickness, ability 555 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: to mirror guys. We love corners that can do everything, 556 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: but when you get down into the fourth round, you're 557 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: trying to find corners who can do something really well. 558 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: And what he can do is cover guys. Um. He's 559 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: a sticky corner and he can do he can play inside, 560 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: he can play outside, he can play off, he can 561 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 1: play press. UM. So you know, we we recognize that 562 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: our depth at corner going into the draft wasn't probably 563 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: what has been the last couple of years, UM, at 564 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,479 Speaker 1: least on paper, so we had we wanted to address that. 565 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 1: I felt like there was a strong chance we might 566 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: take two corners in the fourth round since we hadn't 567 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 1: taken a corner prior to now. There were some corners 568 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: that we liked headed into the second round, headed into 569 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: the third round, those guys got picked before we picked, 570 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: so um. We went into the fourth round and Jalen 571 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: was one of our top picks because we felt like 572 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: he's one of the few guys left who could truly 573 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: cover with sticky coverability. And Um I gave the phone 574 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: to Ozzie and he said, roll tide. It was a 575 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: great moment and we were relieved and excited to get him. 576 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: But again, there were some other corners that we would have, 577 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: but we were going to take a hopefully to tape 578 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: at some point. Unfortunately, we were able to get Um 579 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: Williams right now, Charlie Cohler, I think in New England 580 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: they will probably say he's wicked smart, right, smart dude? 581 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I think um, But you know, what I 582 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: appreciated with him was the skills that he had. Um, 583 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: his his uh ability to stretch the field and make 584 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: plays in the passing game. There's a little bit of 585 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: Dennis Pittot to his game. I would say, Um, but 586 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: you know, smart guy that we spent time talking football 587 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: with a strong student of the game. I think he's 588 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: got um a good combination of receiving ability with upside 589 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: as a blocker, potential as a blocker in his body. 590 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: He's been a very productive player, which we think is good. 591 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: He's an excellent red zone target. He's big, he's long. 592 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: He'll be a great you know target for Lamar standing 593 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: catching radius. And uh, you know, he played in a 594 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: good offense, he played for a good head coach, came 595 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: out of a really good program in IWA Stayed. I'm 596 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: a big fan of that program. Um, and he's no 597 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: he's a Norman kid, you know. And I love Oklahoma players. 598 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: And so while we didn't draft an Oklahoma player this year, 599 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: we did draft a player from Norman, Oklahoma that was prerequid. No, 600 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: I didn't know. You know, when I was trying to 601 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: think through our mock draft, I was thinking, all right, 602 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: do they want more of a blocking tight end to 603 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: kind of help with Nick as he still comes back 604 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: from his knee. And we lost that Tom Winson in 605 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: free agency. You know, I was kind of thinking in 606 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: that mold, less of the receiver mold, but you were 607 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: thinking obviously different. Right, you took two receiving tight ends. 608 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: Is that based on kind of you were talking about 609 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: the analytics and and what makes a good offense. You know, 610 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: did you feel like going in, hey, I want I 611 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: want to add some more big bodied receivers. Yeah, I 612 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: mean that goes into him. Mean you listen to the coaches, 613 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: and Greg and uh and George are tight ends. Coach 614 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: um Gotsi and um you're just trying to find the 615 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: best players. Like I don't really love the idea of 616 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: when you're when you're getting ready for the draft, of 617 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: like being very scheme focused and just trying to draft 618 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: players that only fit your scheme or you're looking for 619 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: this one specific thing because it makes it hard to 620 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: find the high ceiling guys and so um, I think 621 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: this year, you know, for me, the fourth round, it 622 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: was something that I was focused on for a long time. 623 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: And uh we we we just thought about what my 624 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: philosophy would be and what our strategy would be, and 625 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: I relied on the analytics. Um. You know, Sarah Molle 626 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: Palais upstairs helped me and Derek Yam and Corey Kraywick. 627 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: I talked with a great friend of mine um Sig 628 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: made all from the Orioles trying to just figure out 629 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: like what my approach would be. And so one of 630 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: the ideas was that but one treat each pick like 631 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: it's an island to itself. I don't really think about 632 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: the combination of picks that you make, just focus on 633 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: the best player at the time. And also, I think 634 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: one of the things that started to resonate with me 635 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: was like, take the players that have high upside, like 636 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: a very high ceiling. So, um, if you're gonna do that, 637 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: you're probably gonna take players that can really affect the 638 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: passing game, Like if you're gonna if you if if 639 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: I'm talking about a high ceiling player and you have 640 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: two tight ends, one's a blocker and the ones a 641 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: field stretching, pass catching tight end, who are you gonna take? 642 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: So that was kind of what our mindset was interesting. 643 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: Another theme I think of the draft is I look 644 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: at it just from like a big picture standpoint, is 645 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: it is value. And we talked a little bit about 646 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: that earlier. Is getting all those guys you know you 647 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: could have taken it fourteen and getting Travis Jones. And 648 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: the third was was that a cognizant strategy going into 649 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: this draft differently than than any others, or did it 650 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: just kind of play out in that regard. Well, I 651 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: think just for us, you know, for my own personal 652 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: philosophy on drafting players goes back to probably even before 653 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: I was the college scouting director, but especially since I've 654 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: started really running the draft and and and picking the players, 655 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: is that you assign of value to every player. Every 656 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: player has a value. It's a grade. It's a final 657 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: board grade. So you take all the scouting grades and 658 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: you listen and you assign a scouting grade to that player. 659 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: That player is on the board at a certain level, 660 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: and then he gets franked amongst all the other players 661 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: on the board, but specifically all the other players that 662 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: are in that bucket or that level that grading scale. UM. 663 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: And then once you have that, the philosophy that I 664 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: believe in, which again kind of goes back to UM 665 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: a lot of reading that I do and thinking that 666 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: I've done, and maybe you know, kind of outside the box, 667 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: but the financial markets UM, the stock market investing UM. 668 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: And it basically is when the player, when the player's 669 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: value drops the low where you would take them, that 670 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: you should take them. So when the player is is 671 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: value is less than what you expected it to be 672 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: at any given time, and he's still there on the board, 673 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: you pounce. We love to buy really good players cheap, 674 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: and that, to me, you win in the margins incrementally, 675 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 1: and that's what kind of what our philosophy is. So 676 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: when you can get a guy like Travis Jones in 677 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: the third round at pick what was it, sent um, 678 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: and you think that he is on your board the 679 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,919 Speaker 1: thirty seventh I'm making that up, but it's an approximation 680 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: seven best player. There's value there. There's a lot of 681 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 1: value there. Um. When you get players like that, then 682 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 1: you should pounce. I think so often what teams do 683 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: and it may work for them, but it doesn't necessarily 684 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,399 Speaker 1: work for us. Teams are so hyper focused on need 685 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,720 Speaker 1: that they failed to really consider the fact that Travis 686 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,879 Speaker 1: Jones might be the thirty six best player on their 687 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: board and they're picking eighty or eight, five or ninety 688 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: and they're taking the offensive guard or they're taking the safety, 689 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: or they're taking their running back because they don't have 690 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: a player at that position. That's not just that's just 691 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: not how we operate in most cases. Now. If they're close. Okay, 692 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: that's one thing. But when there's a gap, when you 693 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 1: see the value of that player drop to such a 694 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 1: point that it's a no brainer. Like if you had 695 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: no needs on your team, that's how you'd operate. Well. 696 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: It needs change and needs to change, and we've seen that, 697 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: especially with us last year. So what we try to do. 698 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: What I stress is when you rank the players, don't 699 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: imagine need. Let's not think about the ravens. Let's not 700 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 1: think about what people say about our needs. Let's not 701 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: think about where we think we have holes. Let me 702 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 1: focus on that. Maybe okay, we'll try to fix those 703 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: holes at some point, but let's not be so focused 704 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,399 Speaker 1: on those holes or those needs needs. They we are 705 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 1: irresponsible in terms of selecting the best possible players to 706 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: make this team better. Right right, In terms of your 707 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,720 Speaker 1: draft board and where you had players ranked, was Jones 708 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,399 Speaker 1: the biggest steel on your board compared to where you went. 709 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: You've got a lot of steels. Were there their steals 710 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,320 Speaker 1: They might be steals, but their steels you know on paper, 711 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: and so um, you know there were some other steels. 712 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to rank the best perceived value necessarily, 713 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 1: but I would say to you that of all the 714 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: picks we made, I would say probably eight of the 715 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 1: picks were significantly above value for us where we felt like, 716 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, this is great. We're getting a player 717 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: that we love at a really, really good spot. The 718 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,919 Speaker 1: other picks probably look at it and say, okay, that's 719 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 1: basically you know, to steal a steep step a shot 720 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,479 Speaker 1: he is mm chalk, you know, meaning fair value, fair 721 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,919 Speaker 1: player race is a win, yeah, if it's a need, 722 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: but you know, but not like a huge oh my gosh, 723 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: it's like, okay, this makes sense. You never really want 724 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: to get into a situation. This happens sometimes, and I 725 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: could actually give you guys examples of players where it's 726 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 1: worked out. But you never really want to get into 727 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,240 Speaker 1: a situation where you're saying, so you're picking a hundred 728 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 1: and you're taking the hundred best player on your board. Right, 729 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: that's not a great that's not a great fit. It's 730 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: not a great look. It means something's happened. It means 731 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: you're definitely drafting need probably and um, what we talked 732 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 1: about a lot is like slip it or um standard deviation, 733 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: but I call it slipp it. Steve causal standard deviation. 734 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,319 Speaker 1: It's basically like other teams are jumping in and they're 735 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: taking players outside your sort of range of players, So 736 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 1: you know that's gonna happen. So for instance, if you're 737 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: picking at UM, let's let's talk about the fourth round. 738 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 1: If you're picking AT in the fourth round, your pick 739 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 1: actually is probably gonna come from pick sixty five to 740 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,279 Speaker 1: pick eighty in your sequence of players because of the 741 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 1: slippets other teams are jumping in, they're taking players outside 742 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 1: your range. And when that happens, it pushes good players 743 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 1: down to you. And we know that we're well and 744 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,479 Speaker 1: it's pretty remarkable. We have all the data over the years, 745 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: and we're pretty good at figuring out where that range 746 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,800 Speaker 1: of players is gonna come in. Now it gets more challenging, 747 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 1: not to talk about too much theory, but it gets 748 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 1: more challenging in that situation with your other picks in 749 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,800 Speaker 1: that range, because once you take a player at that position, 750 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,840 Speaker 1: then the challenge would be are you gonna double dip right? 751 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 1: And I think in most cases most teams would find 752 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 1: it prohibitive to do that. So for instance, say you've 753 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,799 Speaker 1: got i'll use this example, two tight ends. You've got 754 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 1: Cohler and you've got Likely, and they're both players in 755 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 1: that range. Um in a lot of situations, maybe you 756 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:03,399 Speaker 1: might take Cohler mhm. But then say, okay, even if 757 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:08,320 Speaker 1: Likely is there, we're not gonna take. But a true 758 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 1: best available player team that believes in the process of 759 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 1: what they do, it's going to say forget about that. 760 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,839 Speaker 1: If Likely is that good, we gotta take him because 761 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 1: we feel like that pick over time is going to 762 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,399 Speaker 1: be a very valuable pick for us, right totally. Well, 763 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,439 Speaker 1: we have a good track record of taking two tight 764 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:33,759 Speaker 1: ends in the same draft, right, so that also is nice. Uh, 765 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 1: One guy I want to talk about, you know, you 766 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 1: talk about value and and when you're talking about drafting 767 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: a punter in the fourth round rate is the earliest 768 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: that a punter has been taken since was that? Was 769 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,919 Speaker 1: he just so good that you were like, you know what, 770 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 1: I know, it's fourth rounds generally early for a punter, 771 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 1: but he that we could lock up this position for 772 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 1: the next ten to fifteen years and it's worth a 773 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,840 Speaker 1: fourth round picker. What was kind of your thought process there? Yeah, So, 774 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 1: you know, Jordan's a guy that in my daughter's freshman 775 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 1: at Penn State, I've seen him punt live, We've seen 776 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:08,280 Speaker 1: him punt at the Senior Bowl, at the Combine. Randy Brown, 777 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,840 Speaker 1: in my opinion, one of the best kicking coaches slash 778 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 1: evaluators of kickers and punters. We felt that Jordan was 779 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 1: one of the best guys to come out of his 780 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:22,000 Speaker 1: position in a very very long time. So listen, nobody 781 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 1: goes into the fourth round saying we want to draft 782 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 1: a punter. That's not something that you typically will do. However, 783 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 1: when you have six fourth round picks, it becomes, hey, 784 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,359 Speaker 1: this is a great pick. This is a very useful pick. 785 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,520 Speaker 1: This is a pick that we'll probably resonate for years 786 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 1: to come with our fan base and with our with 787 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: our organization because this is going to be a very 788 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: good punter. You always think about it, like, man, do 789 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 1: I want to do this? We could find a position 790 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,760 Speaker 1: player that plays a lot, a guy that could become 791 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 1: a starter on the offensive line, as a running back, 792 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,759 Speaker 1: as a corner, whatever that might be. And so you 793 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 1: always like kind of like, man, I don't want to 794 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,400 Speaker 1: take a punter. But when you have the six picks, 795 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,839 Speaker 1: it's like, this would be a great pick to make. 796 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,840 Speaker 1: And so for us, the challenge really was where do 797 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: we have to take to get him? You don't want 798 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,759 Speaker 1: to tagment one ten, So what's the strategy? And that 799 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 1: became kind of a subplot for me. With the fourth 800 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,839 Speaker 1: round was like, Okay, I know other teams want this guy. 801 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,400 Speaker 1: We knew that probably four or five other teams wanted 802 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:29,879 Speaker 1: this particular punter. Where do those teams pick? How many 803 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 1: of those teams have a fourth round pick? Where are 804 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,879 Speaker 1: their picks? In relations are picks? And it was clear 805 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 1: to me, and we've done this before, we did this 806 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,439 Speaker 1: with Sam Quock way back when, Um, it became clear 807 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:47,239 Speaker 1: to me that pick one thirty was probably, if I'm 808 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 1: fatting um, that pick was the pick we had to 809 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,399 Speaker 1: use to be able to get him well. And then 810 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,680 Speaker 1: a punter went Jake Kamara went three picks later to 811 00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 1: the Bucks. So I think you were, uh, you know 812 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 1: that was verified. Yeah, and I think too based on 813 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 1: information that we've received after the fact. I mean, listen, 814 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,640 Speaker 1: the Chargers might have taken upunter, the Bengals were taking 815 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:19,440 Speaker 1: a punter. Um, the Bucks, we're taking a punter. So 816 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 1: and there were other teams and so for us, it 817 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 1: just felt like that was the pick we had to use, 818 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 1: and you do that based on where the other teams 819 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 1: are picking. There's a risk involved. I mean, you know, 820 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,920 Speaker 1: my anxiety was like, do we use pick one thirty 821 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,360 Speaker 1: which we just picked up and there was a beauty 822 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,959 Speaker 1: there to that as well, going back from five still 823 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,880 Speaker 1: getting Tyler and then using that pick to get the 824 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,440 Speaker 1: punter audio wait till one thirty nine. Um, I believe, 825 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 1: and you know you never know this, but I believe 826 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,479 Speaker 1: had we waited to pick one thirty nine, we would 827 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,400 Speaker 1: not have gotten Jordan's. Now we would have gotten somebody else. 828 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 1: We would have got a different player at one thirty 829 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 1: that we might have lost it. But with everything being considered, right, 830 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,920 Speaker 1: you look at it and you make the best decision 831 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,760 Speaker 1: you can make. We felt like that was the best 832 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,920 Speaker 1: smartest decision at the time for us. So then your 833 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,319 Speaker 1: last pick, uh is the running back Kyler Beatty And 834 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,759 Speaker 1: you know, you make that pick and I look up 835 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,560 Speaker 1: the stats and I see that you put up sixteen 836 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,200 Speaker 1: d yards in the SEC and it gets seventeen touchdowns, 837 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,799 Speaker 1: And I'm like, how is this guy available at this point? 838 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:32,480 Speaker 1: Putting up big numbers and in major college football? Well, 839 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,480 Speaker 1: and you know, and you obviously have someone certainty of 840 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,319 Speaker 1: the running back position. We all hope j K and 841 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,160 Speaker 1: Gus are come back ready to go full strength, but 842 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:40,640 Speaker 1: you know they come back from injuries and we know 843 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,799 Speaker 1: that can be difficult to predict. What was it about 844 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,920 Speaker 1: Beatty that you really liked about him and how he 845 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,840 Speaker 1: could fit in that group with someone certainly in that mix? Yeah, so, um, 846 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:55,719 Speaker 1: number one kind of a unique story, cool story. Um, 847 00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:00,759 Speaker 1: he was a Katrina kid who relocated here and I 848 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:06,320 Speaker 1: went to friends. Um, just this kid's got special qualities 849 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,920 Speaker 1: to him first and foremost. And when I think about 850 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,120 Speaker 1: some of our best late round picks, Uh, they've got 851 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:20,080 Speaker 1: the makeup, the pedigree, the demeanor, the growth, mindset, the grit, 852 00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,360 Speaker 1: all those things. Uh. The other thing I would say 853 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:29,279 Speaker 1: is George Cokness is really a great evaluator. And I 854 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,440 Speaker 1: one point in early April told George, like, listen, go 855 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,960 Speaker 1: through this board of running backs and find me the 856 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,440 Speaker 1: best guys that we could take in the fourth, fifth, sixth, 857 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,520 Speaker 1: and seventh round. And he came back and Batty was 858 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,440 Speaker 1: one of his guys. He's like, you know, there's something 859 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,800 Speaker 1: to this kid. And when I watched him, I saw 860 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,320 Speaker 1: great balance, contact, balance, ability to keep his feet quickness, 861 00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:59,400 Speaker 1: short area quickness, burst, acceleration, vision, um in a competitive 862 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,399 Speaker 1: running style, and so I think he's a great fit 863 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,680 Speaker 1: for what we do. The fact that he did in 864 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,560 Speaker 1: the SEC, I think speaks volumes, and when you combine 865 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:13,680 Speaker 1: his physical talent with his personality and his character, it 866 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,480 Speaker 1: made it an easy pick for us to make. He 867 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,279 Speaker 1: kind of reminds me of Justin for set. It just 868 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,680 Speaker 1: kind of dawned on me that like the smaller guy, 869 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:24,880 Speaker 1: contact balance, great character, runs hard probably you know, and 870 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,759 Speaker 1: Justin one of my favorite guys that we've had come 871 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,360 Speaker 1: through here. Justin Justin had great vision and feel and balance. 872 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,120 Speaker 1: I think the one thing about Tyler is probably a 873 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,800 Speaker 1: little faster, a little quicker at the second level. Justin 874 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,479 Speaker 1: was very quick through the whole UM I think, uh, 875 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,120 Speaker 1: I think Beatty probably has another gear that maybe Justin 876 00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,560 Speaker 1: didn't have. UM, but I do definitely see the similarities, 877 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,520 Speaker 1: and I hope, I mean, I would be ecstatic if 878 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,960 Speaker 1: if Beatty ends up as good as Justin. Yeah. So 879 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,040 Speaker 1: you know, Wide Receiver obviously got a lot of talk. Uh, 880 00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,600 Speaker 1: you know, there's discussion about how we wanted that Peter 881 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,359 Speaker 1: King that we wanted Calvin Austin. The third Um was that? 882 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,120 Speaker 1: Was that a tough blow at the time? Uh, you 883 00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,719 Speaker 1: end up like we talked about with Isaiah Likely, who 884 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,480 Speaker 1: was really high on your board. But how do you 885 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,160 Speaker 1: handle that when a guy that you wanted is taken 886 00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,920 Speaker 1: right before you are on the clock. Well it's tough, 887 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:21,279 Speaker 1: you know, And that's happened many many times over the years. Um, 888 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,520 Speaker 1: sometimes it works out. I mean I can remember early 889 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:29,200 Speaker 1: on UM for me two thousand to draft. You know, 890 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,200 Speaker 1: I had been skidding the Midwest and I love it 891 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,720 Speaker 1: outside linebacker at Northwestern named Napoleon Harris. And Napoleon Harris 892 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,720 Speaker 1: on our board that year was a top twenty player 893 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:43,280 Speaker 1: I think. And he got picked right before we picked 894 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,879 Speaker 1: might have been twenty three by the Raiders and we 895 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:51,279 Speaker 1: were forced to draft Ed Read right. So Uh, I 896 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,040 Speaker 1: remember the deflation that day, you know, because as a 897 00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,880 Speaker 1: scout you always want the organization to draft a player 898 00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,839 Speaker 1: from your area. You know, he got picked and we 899 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:06,160 Speaker 1: had to settle on a transcendent player, you know. Uh, 900 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:11,880 Speaker 1: and Ed Reid that being sad it's hard, um, you know. Uh, 901 00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:17,359 Speaker 1: Kevin Colbert is the GM of the Steelers and he's 902 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,799 Speaker 1: retiring this year. UM in some capacity. Kevin is a 903 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,080 Speaker 1: great evaluator and he's an excellent scout. He's a guy 904 00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,040 Speaker 1: that every other GM in the league would hold in 905 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:33,040 Speaker 1: very high regard and highest team UM, very strategic, great evaluator, 906 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,440 Speaker 1: a great feel for talent. And Uh, he got him. 907 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,640 Speaker 1: And yeah, we were we were looking at him. We 908 00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,480 Speaker 1: liked him as a player of Austin. We had a 909 00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,319 Speaker 1: chance to see him at the Senior Bowl. Um, we 910 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,080 Speaker 1: thought we would get him. Um, I thought we would 911 00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,160 Speaker 1: get them because the Steelers had already drafted a run 912 00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,399 Speaker 1: up the receiver. It's like, how many wide receivers these 913 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:55,560 Speaker 1: guys tight ends? I mean, I guarantee you there's a 914 00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,799 Speaker 1: team right now, Okay saying how many tight ends did 915 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 1: then ends? In the fourth round. We wanted one of 916 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,800 Speaker 1: those two guys, and they got them both. So that happens. Um, 917 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,680 Speaker 1: that's the nature of the draft. That's what makes the 918 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:14,600 Speaker 1: draft challenging and fun. It was frustrating, But I think 919 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,480 Speaker 1: Isaiah it's gonna be an excellent player and we're excited 920 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,520 Speaker 1: about him. And we had a chance to see Isaiah 921 00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,560 Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl what he can do in his 922 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:28,560 Speaker 1: skill set, and he's a playmaker and he's from Massachusetts. 923 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,759 Speaker 1: Gives me some street crab when I go back home. 924 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,919 Speaker 1: Is he a Celtics fan? I know, yeah, I think 925 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,479 Speaker 1: he is. Yeah. Well, we talked a little bit about 926 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,759 Speaker 1: I don't want to you know, dive als many details. 927 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,960 Speaker 1: Not been a Boston sports fan, we probably would have 928 00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,480 Speaker 1: gone on a different so that the last time for me, Eric, 929 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,239 Speaker 1: you know, when the draft ends, I think you know, 930 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,520 Speaker 1: part of the question then becomes what's next? And do 931 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,560 Speaker 1: you you know, do you go out and do you 932 00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,359 Speaker 1: sign a veteran pass rusher of receiver or what what 933 00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,960 Speaker 1: else do you do? Um? You know, so I guess 934 00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,719 Speaker 1: the question to you is what is next? What do 935 00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,200 Speaker 1: you see is sort of the next item on the 936 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,680 Speaker 1: agendas you fill out this roster. Well, my first and 937 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,000 Speaker 1: is really to get more sleep, probably eat healthier and 938 00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,399 Speaker 1: take better care of myself than more time in my family, uh, 939 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,160 Speaker 1: and kind of get back to normalcy. We'll look at 940 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:15,920 Speaker 1: all that, We'll look at all the different moves we 941 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:21,240 Speaker 1: could make. Understanding that you know, the salary cap is finite. Uh. 942 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,240 Speaker 1: You know, some people think that it's not an actual 943 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,840 Speaker 1: cap that you know, you can manipulate the numbers and 944 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,680 Speaker 1: all that you can in the short term, but in 945 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,840 Speaker 1: the end you've always got to pay the pipers, so 946 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,279 Speaker 1: you can be you know, I hear people say this 947 00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,120 Speaker 1: all the time, and I chuckle, and I think people 948 00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,719 Speaker 1: who really understand the cap will tell you this. You 949 00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,640 Speaker 1: can be cash over cap for a few years. Yeah, 950 00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,600 Speaker 1: you can be cash over cap for a few years, 951 00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:49,160 Speaker 1: but eventually it's gonna come home. You know, the chickens 952 00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:53,480 Speaker 1: do come home to roost, and so um, you've got 953 00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,040 Speaker 1: to be responsible. You've got to understand actually how it works. 954 00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,080 Speaker 1: Not what a team might do in any given year, 955 00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:02,040 Speaker 1: or what teams do in a two year window, look 956 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,200 Speaker 1: at what those teams do over a five year window 957 00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:10,080 Speaker 1: in every single time you'll see cash equals cap. And 958 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:14,080 Speaker 1: so for us looking out, looking out and seeing what 959 00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:18,120 Speaker 1: we've done, we've got to understand that we've signed a 960 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,879 Speaker 1: lot of our own players back some star players. We've 961 00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,080 Speaker 1: done really good contracts. I think it's a credit to 962 00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:28,680 Speaker 1: Pat Moriarty and Nick Matdio and everybody else, the agents involved. 963 00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,880 Speaker 1: We've done good deals that we feel really good about. 964 00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,640 Speaker 1: And uh so that being the case, and that would 965 00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,799 Speaker 1: reference look at Mark Andrews deal that we just did 966 00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,440 Speaker 1: and look at how Mark played, So we've got to 967 00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,680 Speaker 1: be aware of that. And still, if there's a really 968 00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,160 Speaker 1: good player there, and it's not much different from the draft, 969 00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:52,440 Speaker 1: if the value of the player what we sort of 970 00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:56,040 Speaker 1: subscribe as the value of the player, if that value 971 00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:57,440 Speaker 1: is such that we feel like we can get a 972 00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,080 Speaker 1: really good player at a discount right now, will consider that, 973 00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:05,399 Speaker 1: knowing that whatever we spend now we won't have during 974 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,040 Speaker 1: a regular season. And we've been fortunate at different times 975 00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,560 Speaker 1: to do trades during the regular season. Sometimes they work 976 00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,640 Speaker 1: out really really well. Sometimes they work out sometimes they 977 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,239 Speaker 1: don't work out as well as you hope. But in 978 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,680 Speaker 1: order to do a trade during the season, you've got 979 00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,200 Speaker 1: to have a nest egg, right, So you've got to 980 00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,880 Speaker 1: be careful, and it's always a fine line of delicate balance, 981 00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,560 Speaker 1: and that's what we're looking at. That's what we're playing with. 982 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,640 Speaker 1: There were players out there right now that could help 983 00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,040 Speaker 1: our team, but it's gonna make sense for us and 984 00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,439 Speaker 1: it's gonna make sense for them, And if you get 985 00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,400 Speaker 1: that match, then there's a good chance that deal is 986 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,520 Speaker 1: gonna get done. Right. My last one is a little 987 00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:44,000 Speaker 1: bit more direct to Garrett's question, what do you assess 988 00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,719 Speaker 1: the need at wide receiver to be right now, because 989 00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:51,440 Speaker 1: you've drafted some really good, young, talented players Duverne, you know, Proche, Thailand, Wallace, 990 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,600 Speaker 1: even last year. We've seen flashes from these guys. They 991 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:57,000 Speaker 1: got a lot of potential, you know. But also you 992 00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,560 Speaker 1: trade Marquis, who was your tops wide receiver. What do 993 00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,759 Speaker 1: you see is the need at wide receiver right now? Well, 994 00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,839 Speaker 1: I would say this what you just said, Ryan, I mean, 995 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,440 Speaker 1: you guys have seen those guys. What do you think 996 00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,160 Speaker 1: of those guys? I want I've always been saying, give. 997 00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,319 Speaker 1: I want to see him like every time he touches it. 998 00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:14,480 Speaker 1: I mean, we see those guys every day here in 999 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,160 Speaker 1: the building, right We see James, you know, a lot 1000 00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,120 Speaker 1: of times James is uncoverable. You know, we see Devin. 1001 00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,680 Speaker 1: We see the speed in the toughness and the contact 1002 00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,440 Speaker 1: balance he runs within the hands. And we saw Thailand 1003 00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,040 Speaker 1: this year on special teams and then when he had 1004 00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,960 Speaker 1: a chance to make a play, he made a big play. 1005 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,560 Speaker 1: And Thailand was a guy that before his injury probably 1006 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,239 Speaker 1: would have been, I don't know, a second round pick. 1007 00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,359 Speaker 1: So we're excited about those guys. Um, you're always gonna 1008 00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:43,239 Speaker 1: have needs. There's not a team in the league, contrary 1009 00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,440 Speaker 1: to what maybe our fan base might think. And I 1010 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,400 Speaker 1: say that in the most with the most respect for 1011 00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,759 Speaker 1: our fan base, but there is not a team in sports, 1012 00:52:55,080 --> 00:53:00,640 Speaker 1: in professional sports, any team that doesn't truly have a 1013 00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,480 Speaker 1: weak position or a need. That's the nature of this business. 1014 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,319 Speaker 1: You could have a star player, he gets hurt and 1015 00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:11,800 Speaker 1: it becomes a need um. In a salary cap sport, 1016 00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,880 Speaker 1: it's very, very tough to build a team that doesn't 1017 00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,000 Speaker 1: have a need. Every year, the team that wins the 1018 00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,520 Speaker 1: Super Bowl has a weakness, has a weak position, and 1019 00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:25,720 Speaker 1: so we're aware of that. That's not an excuse because 1020 00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:30,439 Speaker 1: we want to not have any weaknesses or have any needs. 1021 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,280 Speaker 1: But we're right where we need to be at this time. 1022 00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,280 Speaker 1: We will address we will continue to augment the roster 1023 00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,759 Speaker 1: and build as the best we can, but I will 1024 00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,440 Speaker 1: caution we want to be good this year, but we 1025 00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,800 Speaker 1: also want to be good five years from now and 1026 00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,439 Speaker 1: ten years from now, and we've got to be aware 1027 00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,879 Speaker 1: of that as well. You know, if there was no cap, 1028 00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,080 Speaker 1: if you could spend in a limited amount of money, 1029 00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,000 Speaker 1: be easy to build a team. We've got to always 1030 00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:58,919 Speaker 1: have that as a lens to look through as well 1031 00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,640 Speaker 1: to be as smart as we can. And I go 1032 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,080 Speaker 1: back to how we started this conversation. The draft is 1033 00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,080 Speaker 1: and will always be paramount to that discussion, right right. Okay, 1034 00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,400 Speaker 1: Wait one more, sorry, last one, I swear, uh So 1035 00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,040 Speaker 1: one thing I think a number of pun it's noticed 1036 00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:15,960 Speaker 1: coming out of this draft is this team now is 1037 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,960 Speaker 1: it's constructed looks a lot more like the twenty nineteen 1038 00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:23,239 Speaker 1: team than the one teams right when we were gangbusters 1039 00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:27,520 Speaker 1: in strong offensive line, multiple tight ends, receiving tight ends, 1040 00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,400 Speaker 1: all that stuff going into the draft. In terms of 1041 00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,880 Speaker 1: how you were thinking about allocation of resources with this team, 1042 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,640 Speaker 1: did you have that in mind? I don't know, I 1043 00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,600 Speaker 1: think you know, again, I don't really want to compare 1044 00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:44,040 Speaker 1: and think about it much, you know. I mean, we 1045 00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:45,759 Speaker 1: love to have a defense like we had in two 1046 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,920 Speaker 1: thousand or two thousand six, you know. Um, we'd love 1047 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,799 Speaker 1: to have an offense that was as successful as we 1048 00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,600 Speaker 1: had in two thousand nineteen, you know. But in the end, 1049 00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,120 Speaker 1: you just try to build the best team you can. 1050 00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,160 Speaker 1: You try to add as many good players as you can. 1051 00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,840 Speaker 1: Every team takes on a different identity and this is 1052 00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,560 Speaker 1: this this this climate, this landscape changes very quickly in 1053 00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,520 Speaker 1: the NFL. A trend one year as pass the next, 1054 00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,400 Speaker 1: and so we want to be out ahead of the 1055 00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,759 Speaker 1: curve as much as we can. I think we've got 1056 00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:23,120 Speaker 1: a great coaching staff, a very creative, inventive coaching staff, 1057 00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,960 Speaker 1: and we're always trying to find a way, whether this 1058 00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:31,720 Speaker 1: is coaching or scouting, to exploit strategic you know, situations, 1059 00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:36,760 Speaker 1: um where we can be the best. And that changes 1060 00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,600 Speaker 1: year to year. I mean many years ago, you know, 1061 00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,080 Speaker 1: the whole comp pic thing, he felt like we were 1062 00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,520 Speaker 1: way out ahead of the curve. Now everybody is doing 1063 00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,359 Speaker 1: that to a degree. We see that every single year. 1064 00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,880 Speaker 1: Where are the other areas now that we can exploit? 1065 00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,080 Speaker 1: Where are the strategic holes that we can look at 1066 00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:54,759 Speaker 1: and say, you know what, there's an opportunity here for 1067 00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,040 Speaker 1: us to be better. That's what this is really in 1068 00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,000 Speaker 1: professional sports. That's why we love it. That's why I 1069 00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,000 Speaker 1: love it is because there are the games within the game. 1070 00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,800 Speaker 1: That's not just what happens on Sundays. It's what happened 1071 00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:08,520 Speaker 1: in March, That's what happens in August that get used 1072 00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,800 Speaker 1: Sunday's And I'm confident that will have a good approach 1073 00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:13,960 Speaker 1: and we'll be the very best team we can be 1074 00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,640 Speaker 1: for our fans and for the community. Thank you so 1075 00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,480 Speaker 1: that much for the time. Eric gave us a lot 1076 00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,520 Speaker 1: of time, a lot of perspective, and I'm fired to 1077 00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,720 Speaker 1: see these guys on the field this weekend in minicame 1078 00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:27,040 Speaker 1: to thanks guys, Thank you, thank you well, Thank you 1079 00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,760 Speaker 1: Eric da Costa. 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I just think that 1097 00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,720 Speaker 1: he is so thoughtful in the process that goes into 1098 00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,360 Speaker 1: building a team and a roster and everything evolved in it. 1099 00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:34,200 Speaker 1: He's like a very well read person on a variety 1100 00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:38,800 Speaker 1: of Like he's bringing perspective to building a football team 1101 00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,000 Speaker 1: that any CEO would bring to running a business. Or 1102 00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,680 Speaker 1: it's all about value. Man, He's a bargain shopper. That's 1103 00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,760 Speaker 1: what Eric cosses and that's how I really resonate, you know, 1104 00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,040 Speaker 1: connect with him. Yeah, but the difference your your type 1105 00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:55,840 Speaker 1: of bargain shopping is I guess there's bargain shopping and 1106 00:57:55,960 --> 00:58:00,400 Speaker 1: cheapness exactly, there's no value and you're it's I guess 1107 00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,320 Speaker 1: it's it's just there's value, but there's no upside. Right. 1108 00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:10,200 Speaker 1: Mines does not have a high ceiling low ceiling by him. 1109 00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:12,919 Speaker 1: So what was the biggest takeaway that you had after 1110 00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,040 Speaker 1: hearing from him? What, though it was very interesting, is 1111 00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,680 Speaker 1: perspective on rod receivers, you know, and they could have 1112 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,280 Speaker 1: drafted one in the first round one specifically, we don't 1113 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,760 Speaker 1: know who that guy was, which one of those wide receivers, 1114 00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,880 Speaker 1: but interesting to hear that, um and they were kind 1115 00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,480 Speaker 1: of hoping that a wide receiver was there at fourteen, 1116 00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,000 Speaker 1: the guy that they didn't want necessarily, so that they 1117 00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:33,720 Speaker 1: could have traded back with the team looking to come 1118 00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,080 Speaker 1: up and get a wide receiver. UM. Now, who that 1119 00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,600 Speaker 1: trade back would have been, who they would have gotten 1120 00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,600 Speaker 1: in that who knows. I think we do know that 1121 00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,480 Speaker 1: they would have taken Jordan Davis at number fourteen, and 1122 00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,160 Speaker 1: certainly not your guy Truck McDuffie. Well, they would have 1123 00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:50,560 Speaker 1: taken Jordan Davis, likely over not not over Kyle Hamilton's right, 1124 00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,200 Speaker 1: not over Kyle Hamilton's If those two guys, if if 1125 00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,800 Speaker 1: the Eagles had taken somebody else exactly, they would have 1126 00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,280 Speaker 1: taken Kyle. They would have taken Kyle Hamilton's right. But 1127 00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,280 Speaker 1: if it was Jordan Davis and nobody else, Kyle Hamilton 1128 00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,840 Speaker 1: was gone. It was George Dixon that he just didn't 1129 00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:09,040 Speaker 1: want to revealn't want to reveal the draft, you know, 1130 00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:10,520 Speaker 1: like he said, I don't know if you're paying attention 1131 00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:12,240 Speaker 1: to you. He said, there's always this game within the game, 1132 00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:13,880 Speaker 1: that's when he was playing there. He didn't want to 1133 00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,600 Speaker 1: reveal he didn't want to reveal that I was correct 1134 00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:20,400 Speaker 1: if I in my mock draft. Anyway, that was really interesting, 1135 00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,160 Speaker 1: you know, just a lot a lot of really cool stuff. 1136 00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,080 Speaker 1: I mean, the fact that they could have taken he 1137 00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:30,160 Speaker 1: expected a Jabo to probably go pre injury before fourteen. Wow, 1138 00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,720 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like things always work out. 1139 00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:35,560 Speaker 1: And and the fact that the wide receiver wasn't there 1140 00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,000 Speaker 1: and they didn't trade back and you end up getting 1141 00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,360 Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton's. Wow, we could be looking at that ten 1142 00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,720 Speaker 1: years down the line and say, what you know, that 1143 00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,240 Speaker 1: so fortuitous that all those wide receivers went off the 1144 00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,560 Speaker 1: board they couldn't trade back. Same thing with linder Baum, right, 1145 00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,600 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of things I think when 1146 00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,240 Speaker 1: looking back on this draft years from now, five years, 1147 00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:55,160 Speaker 1: ten years, whatever it is, we're gonna say, wow, that 1148 00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,800 Speaker 1: played out perfectly, even the Jordan's stout missing out on 1149 00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,520 Speaker 1: the wide receiver, you know, the Calvin Austen that and 1150 01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,720 Speaker 1: because he took you took Jordan's stout. If we're if 1151 01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:05,760 Speaker 1: we're looking back ten years from now and Jordan's stout 1152 01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,160 Speaker 1: still punting for the Ravens. You know, I mean, you 1153 01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,440 Speaker 1: go back through the biggest draft steals in Ravens history, 1154 01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:12,640 Speaker 1: Sam Cook in the sixth round. I believe it was 1155 01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,680 Speaker 1: has to rank one of them. He's one of them. 1156 01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,320 Speaker 1: He's got a rank in that top whatever, ten twenty, 1157 01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So like maybe Jordan's stout 1158 01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,720 Speaker 1: is that. Yeah, there was two other things that really 1159 01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,360 Speaker 1: stuck out to me. One is just kind of the 1160 01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,160 Speaker 1: player mobility that we've seen this offseason. It was interesting 1161 01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,960 Speaker 1: and and how that has affected the way that you 1162 01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,440 Speaker 1: build a team and build a roster. I found that 1163 01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,920 Speaker 1: to be interesting. I also think that it was um 1164 01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,120 Speaker 1: you know that it was just it was interesting to 1165 01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:39,880 Speaker 1: hear him talk about the value that they placed on 1166 01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,320 Speaker 1: safeties and tight ends, um and the analytics behind that. 1167 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,040 Speaker 1: So again, thank you to him. Just just great insight 1168 01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,200 Speaker 1: from him. I hope listeners enjoyed that. As always, you 1169 01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,480 Speaker 1: can email us at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL 1170 01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:52,959 Speaker 1: dot net let us know what questions you have after 1171 01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,040 Speaker 1: listening to that interview and we will be back with 1172 01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:55,720 Speaker 1: you next week.