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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What's up, everybody,

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Speaker 1: It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight Fire, Thursday, December sevente Thank

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Speaker 1: you for making me a part of this glorious morning.

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Speaker 1: We're close to Christmas. Yes, the programming schedule will include

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Speaker 1: some podcast next week, some podcast the week of New

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Speaker 1: Year's Eve. Ain't nobody going out on New Year's Eve.

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Speaker 1: I know you're gonna be listening to the podcast. Um

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Speaker 1: at least, I hope you're not going out. Hope everybody

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Speaker 1: is doing well. COVID's getting ugly in this country. Football

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Speaker 1: continues to plow on. I have a friend who listens

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Speaker 1: to this podcast out here in l A works in

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Speaker 1: an e er. I won't say what hospital, but he

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Speaker 1: got vaccinated this week. Very excited for him. He got

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Speaker 1: the paperwork and everything. He will have a second shot

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Speaker 1: coming up. I myself hope to get vaccinated next month.

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Speaker 1: We all know I'm an essential worker. Uh go doing radio,

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Speaker 1: TV podcasts obviously essential. But we got a great show

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Speaker 1: ahead for you. Former NFL GM He's built some major winners, folks.

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Speaker 1: This guy, he's had the mightas touch everywhere he's gone.

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Speaker 1: Scott McLuhan. He's had some ups and downs in his career,

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Speaker 1: but all in all, I mean, there are some guys

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Speaker 1: who know how to evaluate football talent, and he's one

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Speaker 1: of them. You're gonna love this interview. We talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about my Jets, yes, and I see your tweets. Guys,

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Speaker 1: you don't want to hear about the Jets. You fast

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Speaker 1: forward through it. It's only a little Trevor Lawrence Jets

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Speaker 1: stuff in there. Um, it's just a great, great interview

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Speaker 1: and it's not about me. Listen to this guy and

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Speaker 1: you'll learn something. So we'll get to that shortly. But

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Speaker 1: I wanted to do the best bet right off the top. No,

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Speaker 1: we're not diving into James Harden stuff preseason NBA. No thanks.

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Speaker 1: I watched a little college basketball. I'm a couple of

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Speaker 1: buddies of mine have a college basketball model. I told him,

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Speaker 1: get through a few weeks, I will start blindly betting

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Speaker 1: what the machine says. So we're close to their um.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like I found an edge in Thursday

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Speaker 1: Night Football, So let's get to the best bet. After

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Speaker 1: the glorious Baltimore Ravens cover on Monday Night Football. In

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Speaker 1: what is affectionately referred to as the poop game from

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. Best bet fifty three five and five a

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Speaker 1: robust and we talked about failure earlier this week on

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Speaker 1: the podcast is Winning in Gambling, Folks Sports Gambling. UM,

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Speaker 1: so I'm not mad at it. Fifty five and five

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Speaker 1: and the best bet for Chargers Raiders kind of a

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Speaker 1: difficult handicap here. UM, a lot of injuries popping up.

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Speaker 1: We know the Chargers are out of the race. Backing

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Speaker 1: Anthony Lynn has been bad for your health. UM. I

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Speaker 1: do feel like this is a no brainer. If you

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Speaker 1: can get the three and a half with Anthony Lynn

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Speaker 1: and Justin Herbert, you've got to take it. I cannot

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Speaker 1: back the Raiders here. This is a beat up team

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Speaker 1: that is really struggling defensively. Uh. If you've looked at

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Speaker 1: any injury reports this week, I'm sure you haven't. But

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Speaker 1: that's what I'm here for, um, the Raiders. Cleveland Ferrell

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Speaker 1: That's huge. This is a guy who had two strip

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Speaker 1: that Jets with Cleveland Ferrell their best pass rushers out.

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Speaker 1: Damon Arnette cornerback again out concussion. Jonathan Abram the cornerback.

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Speaker 1: He tried to come back last week. He got lit

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Speaker 1: you can get three. I still took the three as well.

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Speaker 1: Chargers are. They have a couple issues of their own.

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Speaker 1: Mike Williams uh a little banged up. The big that

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Speaker 1: Um Denzel Perriman their linebacker, doubtful. That's not good against

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Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs in the run, Um Austin Ekeler questionable and

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Speaker 1: The honey Badger, A couple of things bounced a way.

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Speaker 1: get to the interview with Scott mccleuin, former GM in

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Speaker 1: multiple NFL front offices. Jason likes to think he knows

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Speaker 1: everything when it comes to sports. I know what sports

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Speaker 1: fans want, but for everything he doesn't. He knows a

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Speaker 1: this guy, his resume is pretty impressive. Packers, Seahawks, Niners.

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Speaker 1: Uh well, I think we'll answer a lot of quarterback

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Speaker 1: how are you today? Man? I'm doing next to the partner.

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Speaker 1: How you doing? You know? I'm good? I boy you

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Speaker 1: there is so much out there on the internet about you.

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Speaker 1: As I was doing background for this, Scott, You've done

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Speaker 1: everything in this league. Holy cow. I love the idea

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Speaker 1: I just want to start with big, big, big picture stuff.

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Speaker 1: What do you look for when you're building an organization?

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Speaker 1: You know? You know what? It's a very good question,

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Speaker 1: and it's a very important question. I think as as

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Speaker 1: and that's easy to figure out, very easy. Like like

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Speaker 1: And then top to the bottom or everything. It's the person.

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Speaker 1: It's the individual. It's the passion, it's the understanding how

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Speaker 1: not yourself. It's not about ESPN, it's not about the

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Speaker 1: That's that sounds like an answer that I would get

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Speaker 1: well said. So, Scott, I want to back up here,

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Speaker 1: it looks like you're your big sport was baseball growing up.

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Speaker 1: That's where you excelled. You a minor league baseball. UM.

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Speaker 1: Seattle john Sneyron myself about him. You can see because

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Speaker 1: nineteen other teams passed on Rogers? And my question is,

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Speaker 1: did you ask Aaron Rodgers the same? What will make

421
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Speaker 1: you think that I should draft you question that you

422
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Speaker 1: asked Alex Smith? Yes? Yes, do you know I can

423
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Speaker 1: go into it. I'm not gunning. I'll just let you

424
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Speaker 1: know this. Mike McCarthy, Well, I'm not gonna get into it,

425
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 1: but yes I did, and it was a totally different answer,

426
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Speaker 1: and uh and I made the right thing in my opinion.

427
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Speaker 1: You know, now, Aaron's phenomenal player. First about Hall of

428
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Speaker 1: Famer VP probably this year, that's great. But for the

429
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Speaker 1: situation I was in at the time, Alex Smith was

430
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 1: a perfect choice, perfectly. And you built that basically that

431
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Speaker 1: team that Jim Harball won with and went to the

432
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and the game against the Ravens, no doubt.

433
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Speaker 1: A lot of people around me, a lot of your coaches,

434
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Speaker 1: the whole package. You know, you know how it works.

435
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, no, no, I was I was lucky.

436
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 1: I had good draft picks. I hit on a lot

437
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 1: of them, which is awesome because it's hard to do.

438
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 1: And I identified the person not so much a player.

439
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: And that's when you started doing that, that's when you

440
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 1: started rolling the person over player. Would be you're kind

441
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,120
Speaker 1: of overriding theme heading into the heading into the draft

442
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Speaker 1: when you're analyzing prospects, no doubt about it, no doubt

443
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Speaker 1: about and the things unique about me now running my

444
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 1: scouting service. I'm not face to face of coaches. I'm

445
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Speaker 1: not face the face of players. And I tell everybody

446
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 1: hires me from the from the team wise or from

447
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 1: wise the one you had my service as I listen, guys,

448
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 1: so I can tell you talent, that's simple. My wife

449
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: can sit next to me and watch a game. He

450
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 1: scored three touchdowns. He's a good player. But identify the individual.

451
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 1: That's when you succeed. That's what we did and saying France,

452
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 1: that's what we did in Seattle. Where we nailed it

453
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: was the mid round guys, you know, not star but

454
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 1: not either, but also knowing this guy's football through and through.

455
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: You find through and through and football players you got something,

456
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,719
Speaker 1: you know. And Frank Gore's not the biggest, not the fastest,

457
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,360
Speaker 1: not the strongest, never gonna be, never has been. You

458
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: know what, he cries at the game. See he loses,

459
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,479
Speaker 1: He cries, and you see an adult cry in the

460
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Speaker 1: locker room that just gave his heart and soul. It

461
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 1: proves to you that's what you want to find. That's

462
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Speaker 1: where it's at. If you find enough of those guys.

463
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Speaker 1: I don't care. I told you you know you have

464
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: blues and Reds in the NFL meaning Blues are like

465
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: you know, Cronier Pro Bowlers. You know, you might might

466
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Speaker 1: have two or three. You don't make your luck. Reds.

467
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: You know, they're they're you're gonna have probably hopefully five

468
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,360
Speaker 1: fifteen of those guys held a people of guy in there,

469
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: and it was like, okay, well it's Paris Harrelson, it's

470
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Speaker 1: the Sean Goldson. You know, the guys you drafted in

471
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Speaker 1: the fifth round, sixth round, seven rounds. But you know what,

472
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: they're football players and and and and that's all the

473
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Speaker 1: matters do them, you know. And they're good guys off

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Speaker 1: the field, the good guys on the field. But there's

475
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: tough sons and guns and they just get after your ass.

476
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: And it's perfect. We haven't talked about the Washington day.

477
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: I can call them the Redskins. You were there when

478
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Speaker 1: they were the Redskins, and you were there when r

479
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: G three popped. Now, I'll I don't remember when exactly

480
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Speaker 1: you arrived in d C, but you were there for

481
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 1: the r G three Kirk Cousins thing. And I'm you know, listen, Scott,

482
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Speaker 1: when r G three had that rookie year. This guy

483
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: looks like the next big superstar, UM, and it kind

484
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: of unraveled. What do you remember from your time in

485
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Speaker 1: Washington with RG three, who went from hey man Andrew

486
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Speaker 1: Lux the best quarterback in this draft to oh, geez,

487
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: is it maybe r G three to it's not URG three. Well,

488
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 1: it's funny to answer that question because I was. I

489
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: was in Seattle. We went there and when he got

490
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: it the playoffs game, yeah, completely getting hurt? Was was

491
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: that game? RG three? Robert Griffin loving the death, very

492
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: good person, very good football player. UM walked in. You know,

493
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: Jay was the head coach, you know, Gruden and UH

494
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: had to identified with what's best for this organization, you know,

495
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Speaker 1: And and you went through the whole off season O

496
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Speaker 1: t a S, main camp, the whole package, you know,

497
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Speaker 1: training camp, and Kirk won the job, playing simple, playing simple,

498
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: and it's nothing in dropping nothing at all. Um. I

499
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Speaker 1: think he lost a little bit of his talent level

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Speaker 1: from the standpoint of having the knee again, UM, which

501
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 1: was a big part of his game. UM. But as

502
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: a person and as a quality individual, I was totally

503
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Speaker 1: with him. And characters won the job. Kurt Playton simple

504
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: won the job. I bring up our G three because

505
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: we're seeing a couple quarterbacks, not necessarily running quarterbacks. But

506
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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson won the m v P last year kind

507
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: of sort of has been figured out a little bit

508
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: this year. And then Kyler Murray who burst on the

509
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: scene last year's surprising rookie year, awesome start to this year,

510
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,959
Speaker 1: and they've kind of figured him out in recent weeks. Um,

511
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 1: I'm just curious you you chuckle it figured him out.

512
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 1: But where are you on some of the mobile quarterbacks, um,

513
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: as opposed to the traditional pocket passers. I'm I'm I'm

514
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: totally with letticism in any position, any position. UM. Also

515
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: understand what this league was built with and what's one

516
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: in this league and few and far between our mobile quarterbacks.

517
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: It's pocket passers with a good offensive line, tight end,

518
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: running game, special teams, and you're good to go. UM.

519
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: And the receivers what I was, I was in Seattle.

520
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: We had average receivers. We want we beat the heck

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Speaker 1: out of the Broncos like it was nothing. We had

522
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: no I mean, you know you can say, well you

523
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: had so and so you had personally harder than well, yeah,

524
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Speaker 1: he remember a kickoff? You want a receiver for us,

525
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 1: you know, but we had a hell of the defense,

526
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: we had damn good special teams, we had a heck

527
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Speaker 1: of a coaching staff in in a dang smart quarterback,

528
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: and and and that's what it's all takes. And it's

529
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: people want to make it so freaking hard. It's not

530
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: that hard. It's not that hard at all. It's the

531
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Speaker 1: fact that just understanding who you are and what you

532
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: are and then build to your strings and stay away

533
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: from the weaknesses. You know, I mean, you make it

534
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: sound easy, like who you are, what you are. Listen, Scott,

535
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: I've been a New York Jets fan for three three decades.

536
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: There is no identity. We had Randy Mueller on former

537
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: executive with the Dolphins last weekend. I'm like, you know,

538
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: you think of the Steelers. You know that's a tough franchise.

539
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: They're gonna win in the trenches. And I just don't

540
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: know what the Jets identity is. And I started fast

541
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: forward to the Jets here, but I know that you

542
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: were in Philly with Joe Douglas and he's now running

543
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,239
Speaker 1: the Jets, the Jets front office. And I gotta say, Scott, like,

544
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: how the hell do you fix this? This winless broken

545
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: franchise with and I'm not gonna trash the owner because

546
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: who knows. You may be working for him at six

547
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: months for all, I don't. But uh, the Jets have

548
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: lacked an identity. Bill Belichick in their division has an

549
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: identity for the Patriots. What do the Jets do? What

550
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: do you do? If you're the Jets? You know what

551
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: the thing is? Hands down? D is the perfect guy.

552
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: Perfect guy. He's been around Ozzie newso Um, He's been

553
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: around really good personnel people and been around success. And

554
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: that's how you identify it. First of all, you get

555
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: taught by somebody, but you see it face to face,

556
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: you see it I and that's when you start building stuff.

557
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: I was lucky to be in Green Bay. I was

558
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: lucky to be born a Raider and be around my

559
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: dad all those years and all the Super Bowls and

560
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: all the success they had, because then you feel it,

561
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: Then you feel it. Did you get it? Um? Adam

562
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: Gates I respect a lot. He was with me and

563
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: when I was in San France, and March brought him

564
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: in when March was r OC and he didn't work

565
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: out of course from Mars, but he is not the detriment.

566
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: But he has to make sure the quarterback place better.

567
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: He has to. He has to. And he means, well,

568
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I don't fee man him. I don't

569
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: know if he sat down and face to face and

570
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: talked to him. He means, well, and Frank Gore tells

571
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: me that quarterback Donald. He said, he's the real deal.

572
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: You're like Alex Smith. You get like this guy even

573
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: I'm like really yeah, And he's like yeah, he's like Scott,

574
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: believe me. And I said, Frank, you never like him,

575
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: and he said, no, I don't like you. I have

576
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: no recently like you. This son of a gun is

577
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: our guy. If you want a guy, he's our guy.

578
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, well what's our guy. And he's like, well,

579
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: I'm coming with you. I'm retiring, so I'm coming with you, buddy.

580
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: He's not giving me a scout. You're not gonna do

581
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: you that. But he swears by Donald and these words,

582
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: by games. He just said, there's just no talent here.

583
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: But Joe Douglas, you give him time. You're fined, You're fine,

584
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: I promise you. All right, Well, let me ask you

585
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: this that you have your own scouting service. Um, And

586
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not asking you to give away a ton,

587
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: but if I throw a couple of names at you

588
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: for college football players, are you willing to offer any

589
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: thoughts on them? I mean, obviously I'll start with Trevor Lawrence. Um,

590
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: you know what do we get me here? If if

591
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: he goes to the Jets Trevor Lawrence stuff stuff? You

592
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: know what? He Uh, he's not gonna wile you kind

593
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: of like a Payton Manning athletically, but stud you make

594
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: every throw. And the reason why he's only what lost

595
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: one game in three years of college football because he's

596
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: the leader. He foresees and he attacks and he gets

597
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: it done done. I mean it's impressive. You go back

598
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: to his high school take go back to his record

599
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: in high school. I mean, it's just amazing. Winners or winners,

600
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You can't build them. They

601
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: either do or they don't. You know, I'm sitting here

602
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: watching tour right now. Two is a winner, you know?

603
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: And is he flashy? Is he sexy guy? No? But

604
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: you know what, he finds a way to get w

605
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: and when sudden right, so you mentioned to it, let

606
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: me just quickly divert and ask you Um, he's down.

607
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: His top tight end looks like he's he's out this week.

608
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: He's down Parker jachiem Grant is hurt. Um. I gotta

609
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: be honest. He's going up against Belichick this week, Scott.

610
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: We know Belichick eats rookie quarterbacks for breakfast. Um, this

611
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: is a bad spot for two, is it not? Oh no,

612
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: it's possibly a bad spot, but it's also a spot

613
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: to prove himself. You know what I'm saying, And and

614
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: that's what you look for. It like it's gonna be tough.

615
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: Damn good coach, I mean, with the best coach effort.

616
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: Who knows defensive minded guy is gonna get after you,

617
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: is gonna send you at you you've never seen before.

618
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: But how do you respond to it? That will prove

619
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: who you're gonna be going forward. And that's what makes

620
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: a good quarterback, that makes a good player in any position.

621
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: Get challenged and see how you respond. Right back to

622
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: the college players, let me go to b y U

623
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: S quarterback Zack Wilson two years ago. Not on the

624
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: NFL prospects. Um, right now, Zach Wilson looks like he's

625
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: probably a first round pick, Scott am I Am I

626
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: going overboard here? No, you're not going overboard. The thing

627
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: about it is you gotta figure the average. Wise, it's

628
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Speaker 1: gonna be three to four, maybe five going the first round,

629
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Speaker 1: you know, usually three to four. And personally my opinion

630
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: right now, he'd be the fourth um good player, smart player. UM,

631
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: So let me assume, at the risk of assuming Lawrence

632
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: Fields Lance and then well, okay, all right, yea yea.

633
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: I just I when I look at Wilson, maybe it's

634
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: I haven't seen enough of him, but the guy that

635
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: popped into my head, Deshaun Watson, for some reason, I

636
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: just I like what I see in this kid. Yeah,

637
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: you know what. He again, he's a part of the system,

638
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: and and I give respect for that, and you know,

639
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: not knocking b y U and the older players and

640
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: all that stuff, but he, uh, he's in the right

641
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: right storm right now from standpoint of just understanding how

642
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: to play and what to play and what he's gotten

643
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: fund them on the offensive blind to take care of

644
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 1: in the running game. Um, but now he's got talent.

645
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: He seems you know, again, I don't know him personally,

646
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: he seems like a really good kid, um, and I

647
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: pull for those guys. I try to find the positives,

648
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: nothing negatives, and he uh, he definitely has positives. You

649
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: can throw the credible the ball. Um, he's one. You know, again,

650
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: winning is winning man. As a quarterback, he touched ball

651
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: every freaking snap. You know, on offense, You've got something

652
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: going for you. And that's so cool because him For

653
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: a couple two more players, one guy who's working out

654
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: out here in l A Micah Parsons, linebacker from Penn State.

655
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 1: Now he did opt out. I'm curious where GMS will

656
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: stand on if you opt out. I saw some you know,

657
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: idiotic takes back in August. Well, how what's his commitment

658
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: to football? You know, like to me is acidine, I

659
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe you agree with that, No, I totally disagree.

660
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: You know what, what more can he prove? You know, honestly,

661
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: and you know, the guy's gotta make a living. The

662
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: guy who got take care of his family, you know,

663
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: not just immediate family, but his family for the future.

664
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: Guy's damn good football player. And I drafted linebackers in

665
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: the first round and I've seen and stuff and this

666
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: guy led ship and you know what I'm saying for

667
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: them to question his football watch you take. How about

668
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: you question your integrity? The one this question is integrity

669
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: because watching who you drafted, you know what I'm saying,

670
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: don't challenge a football player as a football player, because

671
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: if you're not a football guy, then you're not a

672
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: football guy. They question you as much of you question them.

673
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: And if you say this, guy, why do you opt out? Well,

674
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: millions of dollars in family, you know, and I'm old

675
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: school partner, you know, I'm through and through with football

676
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: players being football players. And but totally was Mike, totally

677
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 1: understand why you ought to know. What else can you do? Jackals? Okay, great, dude,

678
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: Frank Gore, go back, get hit a nunder three hundred

679
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: fifty times, run the football, okay, and then come the

680
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: NFL and just take two or three years off your career.

681
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: That's fine. No, No, I mean the guys. Legit player, guys,

682
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: legit players. Alabama receiver, you're buying stock in more Devonte

683
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: Smith or Jalen Waddle Smith hands down, huh hann I

684
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: would have I would agree, and that Waddles coming off

685
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 1: the injury, which stinks um awful, awfu well. I watched

686
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: all the tape last year. I watched all the tape

687
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 1: this year. I've got all of them. I've been through

688
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: the whole package. I gave Smith last year, and everybody

689
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 1: left to me because he said he's under seventy pounds.

690
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: I gave him a first round grade last year. If

691
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: he comes out this some of guns and he deserves

692
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: be in the first round. I said, not because the size.

693
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: I understand the skinny ankles, skinny risks, the d seventy

694
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: five pounds, But I said, this is ambities Steven Smith,

695
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: you know from the Panthers. Okay, yeah, this some of

696
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: he is competitive beyond his side, I promise you and

697
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: this guy can fly. This guy can change the game.

698
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: I want play you know what also the same way.

699
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, I from stand what is the game?

700
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 1: But go back and look at you know, DeVante's numbers

701
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: and the games he shows up in L s Okay,

702
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,919
Speaker 1: you know, I mean big time game, big time game.

703
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: Who takes over him? L Shoe beats him, but still

704
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: he takes over. He's not afraid of the big moment.

705
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: And if you watch him this year, just watch him

706
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: when the play's over. You watched when the guys trying

707
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: to mess with him, yeah, how he responds to him.

708
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: You know what I'm trying. It looked messed up. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

709
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's it's it's the guy's uh guys,

710
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 1: that did I mean? And I wish he was bigger.

711
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: And you worry about derbildy. You have to because it's

712
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: a big man's game. I get all that stuff. But

713
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: a summer gun is a good football player. Like I said,

714
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: I've done this a long time. He's one of the

715
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: best players I've ever seen. He reminds me of Peter

716
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: Ward come out of Florida State. I don't remember that,

717
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: of course. Yeah, dude, he didn't almost win the Heisman.

718
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: I think like Vick got it that year. Yeah, it's

719
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: the best grade gave the guy, Peter Ork So so

720
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: Jamaar Chase is behind Davonta Smith for you the l

721
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: s u no no, no, no, no, I didn't say that. Okay, alright,

722
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: just make it suious, all right, I'll get you out

723
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: of here on this one. Scott Um, Joe Burrow and

724
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert. You know you mentioned two way you love him? Ay,

725
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: were you surprised by how well each of them has

726
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: done this year? And you know it's early, but who's

727
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: And this is a tough one because we don't know

728
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: who the next Chargers coach is gonna be, maybe the

729
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: Bengal change coaches. But who do you think has ends

730
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: up having a better career. Okay, well I'll tell you this.

731
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: I gave Justin the best grade. I gave Burrow the

732
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: second best grade, and gave two of the third best grade. Um.

733
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: Now again, I've been in situations where I had the

734
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 1: draft guy number one overall, or I've been a situation

735
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: we took a guy in the third round and have

736
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: come into play. Now. A lot depends on the system,

737
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: the coaching, you know, and in the allan around him.

738
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: But I think Justin Herbert has been incredible for a

739
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: team that really doesn't have a running game. You know

740
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: that they last back early. He came back now, of course,

741
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: but for him to be mentally that quick, but you

742
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: knew that when everybody you know, well he's from you

743
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: know you he lives in a bubble, he's this and

744
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: his parents are really good people, you know what I'm saying.

745
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: And it's anything of Alex, you know, and and and

746
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: totally different rookie years, totally different. You know we we struggle, struggle,

747
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,720
Speaker 1: struggle to forty niners. But Herbert stepped up right away.

748
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: I mean he got told you listen, you gotta you're

749
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: gonna start, you know, two minutes from now. You gotta

750
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: go out there and take a snap. He's like wow.

751
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: But maturity wise he's so good and in Burrows the

752
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: same way. He can't go from Ohiouse state to Baton

753
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: Rouge and become a captain and be a leader. And

754
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: when you don't live in that area, if you make

755
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: if you understand what I'm saying, I mean it's geographically,

756
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: it's totally different. Midwest and Southeast, totally different. You Gott

757
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: mcclu and the ladies and gentlemen, Scott, you know, tell

758
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: us a little bit about the recruiting service. I don't know.

759
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: Do you see yourself going back to an NFL front office?

760
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: You know, UM had multiple calls recently. I have some

761
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: really good friends that have been and will be GMS again,

762
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: UM that I'll help out for sure. I don't foresee

763
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: myself going back into an office. UM. I have five kids.

764
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: I have three of my own, and I have two

765
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: step children and a lot of work, you know, which

766
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 1: is great and I love helping my my guys out

767
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: and it's all packer guys. It's it's all sat guy.

768
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's really good people that

769
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: are really good persons. And like I told you, with

770
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: football players, man, that's what's about. You know, you identify

771
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 1: what they have and they don't have, but then address

772
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: what they can do and didn't take care of it,

773
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 1: you know, And that's that's it. I'm telling you, partner.

774
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: It's a simple game. It's not hard. I mean, it's

775
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: been played for hundreds of years. I mean, whatever it is,

776
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: eighty years, I don't know. But but you know what

777
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 1: I'm saying, it's the same. Run the ball, you know

778
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 1: in the winter time, play good defense and play good

779
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: special teams, and you're fine. You're fine. You're gonna you're

780
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: gonna win more than you lose. And that's I mean.

781
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: I've been lucky to be around a long time. But

782
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: I've seen guys that aren't smart that bill to identify

783
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: that in win games and win Super Bowls. And I

784
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: see guys that are really smart, they talk themselves out

785
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: of there, just like, Okay, why the seventh step drop,

786
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: why the five sund why why when they're you know,

787
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 1: they're blitz and every freaking snap. Well that's my system. Okay,

788
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: Well system's gotta change. The games change, the generations have changed,

789
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: the players have changed. You don't have your two hundred

790
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 1: seventy five pound defense man. You have a two on

791
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: defensive man. It's coming off the edge, blitzen your ass,

792
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: coming after your hard. You know, it's like what seven

793
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: stuff drops? What we do. I'm like, okay, you gotta

794
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: get you got hurt, Yeah, we got hurt, just like alright,

795
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: good stuff. Scott mccluan enjoyed that Colorado winter. Scott, I'll try, buddy,

796
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: very good. I take it easy. Thanks, yeah, thank you