1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From our nations. How do we reopen this economy? The 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: latest on how this pandemic is impacting farmers. What does 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: this do for the United States relationship with China? Bloomberg 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: Sound On, The Insiders, the influencers, the insides. We're responding 5 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: to this crisis and manufacturers are stepping up like never before. 6 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,159 Speaker 1: You're looking at SEVENY Kennedy for different ductines. How do 7 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: we make sure a pandemic of this gale never happens again? 8 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Surrelate on Bloomberg 9 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: and one oh five point seven f M h D 10 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: two drives. Very Secretary Stephen Nutian says that the United 11 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: States cannot shut down the economy even if the coronavirus resurges, 12 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: and Senator Uh and UH Senator Lindsey Graham gets a 13 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: sweeping power to probe Obama officials over Russia. Meanwhile, President 14 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: Trump is going to hit back on the campaign trail, 15 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: resuming Rallies and Tulsa. On June nine, Team lots to 16 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: get through. We've got an all star panel critic Gupta 17 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Markets Live Reporter is gonna give us the market 18 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,559 Speaker 1: reaction the stocks have tumbled the most in twelve weeks 19 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: on the economy and the virus, and Tony Capaccio Bloomberg 20 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: Pentagon reporter Plus will check in with al Matter and 21 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: Tyler Deaton, republican trategist and fundraiser. He is the president 22 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: of Allegiance Strategy. Is always good to have tie on 23 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 1: the program. Stocks tumbling the most in twelve weeks. They're nervous, folks. 24 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: They're nervous about the economy reopening or lack thereof the 25 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: pace of the reopening, the virus making over this, you know, 26 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: nerves of a second wave. I mean, the anxiety is palpable. 27 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: Joining us on the line a good friend and colleague, 28 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: critic Gupta. She is Bloomberg Markets Live reporter. What happened today? Well, Hi, Kevin, 29 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: it was a crazy day. You really saw a combination 30 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: of three things all culminating in this massive drop, the 31 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: most we've seen since March. And now the first things. First, 32 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: we've had this incredible rally coming up, a lot of 33 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 1: people really uh seeing some momentum, really investing their cash 34 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: into the market, saying there will be a B shape recovery, 35 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: of very quick economic recovery. As well as we see 36 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: the economy reopen, and as we see people really piling in, 37 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: that always sets up a kind of the stage for 38 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: people to very quickly uh sell off as well, And 39 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: that's kind of what you're seeing today. That's just one factor, though, 40 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: the second being that that we did see some case 41 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: counts rising from Texas, Florida, and California. So there are 42 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: some actually fundamental fears here that we could be uh 43 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: in the early stages of the second wave of the virus. 44 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: So you are seeing some PTSD uh some trauma, if 45 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: you will, that we could actually, worst case scenario, return 46 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: to this lockdown in order to save lives. That's number two. 47 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: And number three, we did hear some pretty stark warnings 48 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: from Dr Fauci and I'm a Powell yesterday thing at 49 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: once again, this b shape recovery that everyone's hoping for 50 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: may not be as quick and rapid as they think 51 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 1: it will be. So meanwhile, Treasury Secretary Stephen manutians telling 52 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: lawmakers that even if it resurges, you can't shut down 53 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: the economy. But it's looking like the markets didn't even 54 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: blink off of that. Off of that news, the SMP 55 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: five hundred sank almost six percent approaching the seven percent 56 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: threshold that would have triggered an exchange mandated trading pause. 57 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: Then you go through the day, I mean, and you're 58 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: just hearing just about just how how really remarkable of 59 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: a day on Wall Street, a wild day on Wall Street. 60 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: It was, uh that the Bloomberg Dollar Spot index surged 61 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: one percent. So you look at all of those indicators, 62 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: cretty groups of Bloomberg markets, live reporter um, and it 63 00:03:54,760 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: just seems like there's still so much uncertainty. It really is. 64 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: And I think the best gauge of that is just 65 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: looking at the volatility index. Uh, That's just the best 66 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: way of looking at how much a certainty there is. 67 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: Actually saw a massive spike. A lot of people were 68 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: really optimistic as early as yesterday, say that the VIX 69 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: was returning back down from that three level we saw 70 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: back in March two backdowns of the the twenties, which is 71 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: still a very elevated level, but it means that certainty 72 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: is coming back, things are returning to normalcy. And then 73 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 1: then the span of one trading session backed up to forty. 74 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: That is a scary number of folks. Uh. And of 75 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: course you are seeing that major bid for the dollar 76 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: like you mentioned up one point two percent on the 77 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: session after we've already seen this trend in the dollar 78 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: to the downside. So it really tells you here that 79 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 1: people were scrambling to get their hands on the dollar today. 80 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: Um once again on that safe pave and bid. You 81 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: mentioned Stephen Minucha and and it's interesting that the markets 82 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: didn't really react to the fact that the economy wouldn't 83 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: shut down. It seems like the focus has been shifted 84 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: a little bit away from what policy makers and governments 85 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: state governments in particular, are saying regarding how they're going 86 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: to approach the second wave. It's really coming down to 87 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: how the underlying consumer will respond, and that is where 88 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: the uncertainty really lies. We don't know if there is 89 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: a stronger resilience to going out to the movies, for example, 90 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: or traveling or getting in your car and taking that 91 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: summer vacations, or people will really have that fear still 92 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: instilled in them and want to stay home. That's really 93 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: where the uncertainty lives, all right. There's so much uncertainty, 94 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: so much human gloom coming from Wall Street today. Is 95 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: there anything optimistic, Is any sign of optimism, any sign 96 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: of hope that you can get us, give us I 97 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: absolutely can, and good good. I was listening to you 98 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, oh my god, you know it's Friday eve. 99 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: You know we're almost to the weekend. I need something, 100 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: I need something. Well, here it is, uh the stock 101 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: that's sold off so much. Maybe this is the worst 102 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: of it, um. And I say that with a little 103 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: bit of caution, but hopefully maybe we'll see some green tomorrow. 104 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: I mean, remember, this was really just some paring back 105 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: of all the all the games we saw in the 106 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: past few weeks, all kind of showing up in this 107 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: one day in the past when we've seen markets really 108 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: tank by this much of of the margin, uh, the 109 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:22,799 Speaker 1: next day we see them right back in the green 110 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: um and gaining once again. So this could just see 111 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: a one day thing, as we have all these factors 112 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: I just talked about, like you said, show up in 113 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: the spelling spree all one day. But you could again 114 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: see some buying on the dip. I've talked to them 115 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: traders who say they've actually uh found it a great 116 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: time to actually put their money to work. So you 117 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: could see all the major abages back in the green 118 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: again tomorrow. What are some and that we've got like 119 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: two minutes up. What are only a minute and a 120 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: half left? What are the what are some of the 121 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: industries that you've noticed, or what's the biggest industry or 122 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 1: sector that you've noticed has really really transitioned well during 123 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: this time and adapted well during this time that may 124 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: be surprised you. I'll keep it short here, Kevin, don't worry. 125 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: I think healthcare has been pretty interesting. Actually, you're really seeing, uh, 126 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: these healthcare companies uh really come to the forefront and 127 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: invest in their R and D. And of course a 128 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: lot that is coming from how we deal with the pandemic, vaccines, 129 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: drug treatment, So you are seeing, of course the healthcare 130 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: sector rally off that, but even companies who aren't directly 131 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: working on the COVID nineteen vaccines have started to invest 132 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: in their own R and D uh kind of divisions. 133 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: And I think that really sets up the stage well 134 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: for any future illnesses we may have us in addition 135 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: to of course how these companies are performing uh for 136 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: the long term. So I think healthcare is one that's 137 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: really interesting to watch, and not just because of the pandemic. 138 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: What about in the in the athletics space, in terms 139 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: of some of the nuts sport in certain gym's and 140 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: in those stocks, how have they been? Which companies do 141 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: you think have adapted well for them? Oh? I have 142 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: how hard time picking out companies. Um, but I've got 143 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: to say, Uh, it really depends once again on this 144 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: reopening narrative, and I have a hard time, once again, 145 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: like you said, naming individual companies because it could just 146 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: change so quickly day to day. It's really all about 147 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: the consumer. And your guess is as good as mine. 148 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: Bomb which sector has bombed? Which sector has bombed? Uh? 149 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: Energy right now, I think we're kind of hoping for 150 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: that rotation. A lot of people are kind of will 151 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: that into into reality, and the energy still under performing 152 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: as we see oil prices take a hit. That move 153 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: away from tech as the safe haven hasn't really transitioned 154 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: as well as I think a lot of investors were 155 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 1: hoping for into those clilical names like industrials like materials 156 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: and definitely like energy. Alright, Cretty group to Bloomberg Markets 157 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: Live Reporter, appreciate you dropping by to give us the 158 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: lay of the land. The stocks tumble the most in 159 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 1: twelve weeks on the economy, but I like the hope. 160 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 1: I like the optimism. 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Barada, she's going 170 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 1: on vacation. Our EPs going on vacation for two days. 171 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: You know, Christine Barrada. What would the world, what would 172 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg sound On be without Christine Barrada. Tony Cappaccio is 173 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: on the line, Bloomberg Pentagon reporter. Tony, how are you, buddy? 174 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: I haven't talked to you in months. I am my healthy, wealthy, 175 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: but not why you know? Well, those are good treating, 176 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: those are good things. Right this day and age, it 177 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: seems like everywhere you turn, there's more questions. All right, Tony, 178 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: you've got this great story on the Bloomberg terminal. Today 179 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: the U. S. Army unit was issued bayonets. It's a 180 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: prep for the DC protest duty. They were gonna use bayonets. Bayonets. 181 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: What are we? What year is it? Go ahead? All right? 182 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: I think this was standard This would have been standard 183 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: issue equipment, with no intention that they'd be put on rifles. 184 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: They were also we should lie AMMO to put in pouches. 185 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: So you know, this is the Old Guard at Arlington. 186 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: They're the Army's oldest active duty unit. There's about fift 187 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: hundred of them total. People tour see them guarding the 188 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: Tomb of the Unknown, but they're also the President's ceremonial Guard. 189 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 1: And about four to eight these troops out of the 190 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: hundred in the whole unit, but up to eight hundred 191 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 1: were put on active alert last week and they were 192 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: issued porters to will put bayonnets and scabbards and have 193 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: live AMMO. I don't think they would have gotten to 194 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: the point of a bayonets on rifles zone. But uh, 195 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: the Aspirate acknowledge that today. In a letter yesterday, Aspiral 196 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 1: Secretary Aspert acknowledge that to the Armed Services Communey Chairman 197 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: Adam Smith, who I have to give a shout out 198 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: to he very he got a tip on this and 199 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: he put this in a letter to Esper last week, 200 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: asking and the fun were they brought and put on 201 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: duty and where they issued bayonets, and they forced the 202 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: Secretary to answer in a candid way. You know, it 203 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: really is remarkable. When I saw the bayonets, I thought 204 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: back to that debate between Obama and Romney. You remember this, 205 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: the horses and bayonets, when Obama went off to Romney 206 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: for that. Not only do I remember that, Kevin I 207 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: was at an Army conference and I spent to two 208 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: and a half days. They're tracking down how many bannets 209 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: the Army currently has, and I got'ta tell you the Marines. 210 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: The Marines had the fastest answer. They came back within 211 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: two hours. It took the Army like two or three days. 212 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,599 Speaker 1: So yes, I remember, don't give me in trouble with 213 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: the Army. Don't give me in trouble Tony. Tony Capaccio 214 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: is on the line. He's Bloomberg's Panagon remporter. We're talking 215 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: byets This is why I I this is why this 216 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: job keeps me on my toes. You know, it is 217 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: because I never know what the heck the news is 218 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 1: gonna bring. Okay, you mentioned Secretary ask for what's he 219 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: been up to. I mean it's been a it's been 220 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: a you know, a very um notable, news worthy past 221 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: couple of weeks. What can you tell us about where 222 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: things stand between the Pentagon and the White House? I said, 223 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: My my impression is now things are solidifying a little bit. 224 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: Last week, Esper took a major step to break the 225 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: reputation that he's Mark Yesper for everything the White House 226 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: says he does. Coming out with the statement that was 227 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: not clear by the White House was was a gutsy 228 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: move that could have got him fired. I think today's 229 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: uh stated by by Milly, the Chairman of Joint Chiefs, 230 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: pretty much criticized and heavily racism in the US and 231 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 1: military and our need to be a better society. I 232 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: think that means in the president even more. But I 233 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: think Esper right now is in the clear. You remember 234 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 1: Kevin if he may be only there till November of 235 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: Trump loses. So I'm not sure Trump wants to have 236 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: the turmoil of another defense secretary. Okay, yeah, that's a 237 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: that's a really good point. Tony Capache is on the line. 238 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: I'm sticking with this theme. You know, I saw an article, 239 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: uh there a report yesterday Bloomberg and others that Russian 240 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 1: planes were a couple of miles outside of Alaska. Can 241 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: you tell us what happened and what what that means? Okay, 242 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 1: this is assarily normal occurrence being this has happened with 243 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 1: some repair, some this has been repeated. This is not 244 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 1: an extraordinary event. F twenty twos, the Pentagon, the Air Forces, 245 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: stealthy fighters intercepted them. But uh, this is the Russians 246 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: have been doing this for years, prodding and prodding and 247 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: make they each kind of know the rules of the game. 248 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: But I wouldn't get too worked up over this when 249 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: they happened quite a bit. If Russian planes started flying 250 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: over Los Angeles, then you have more of an issue, alright, 251 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: because that was that's one of the things that caught 252 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: my attention yesterday, and you know the internet. Um, Tony, 253 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: let me also ask you about the U. S and 254 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: China relationship. What developments can you tell us just from 255 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: from a from a national security standpoint that you've noticed 256 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: over the past couple of weeks. I think the US 257 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: has continued to put vessels into the region there, and 258 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: a Navy vessel recently went through the Straight of the 259 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: Taiwan Straights, and I see an unabated Navy activity there. 260 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: They're not, uh, they're not putting enough presence there to 261 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: stick their nose in the Chinese face basically, but the 262 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: US is signaling subliminally and also through occasional transits of 263 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: the especially the Straight, that the the US is still 264 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: there and as a as a presence. Now about a 265 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: month and a half ago, the US can discontinued its 266 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: permanent bomber presence on Guam, which means where we don't 267 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: we don't normally have planes there twenty four hours a 268 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: day now, but the Air Force readjusted and is now 269 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: putting in periodic patrols or flights, bomber flights from the 270 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: US to the Guam region kind of in and out, 271 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: versus being there on a twenty four hour basis. So, 272 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: especially for Secretary Esware, I mean, he's really been one 273 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: of the people, along with Secretary Pompeo, who have been 274 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: trying to make the case to Europe that China is 275 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: a growing threat to Europe as well. But have they 276 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: been successful or have you noticed any developments on the 277 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: European front that they're getting more in line and and 278 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: and changing their approach with how to deal with China? 279 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: And not at all? In fact, I think the United 280 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: Kingdoms and adaptation of Huawei's technology for its five gen networks, 281 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: I think that was a real sign that Europe does 282 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: not believe in crying wolf of by China as much 283 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: as the United States has been doing. So you don't 284 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: think they've been listening at all? Are They've been listening, 285 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: but they haven't been acting on it? Is there? Is there? Why? 286 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: Why isn't there the frustration in Europe at at Beijing 287 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: and the Communist Party for how they mishandled Corona virus? 288 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: That there? That there seems to be in the United States? Well, 289 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: I mean, how can you blame China for what happened 290 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: in Italy and all those nations? I mean, I can't. 291 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: I just don't see worthy is are an influx of 292 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: Chinese travelers into Europe? Was the issue there? All right, 293 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: Tony Capaccio, We're gonna leave it there. We're gonna have 294 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: to leave it there. Tony, I very much appreciate you 295 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: coming on giving us all of the lay of the land. 296 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 1: It's it's been long overdue. My friend I kept saying, 297 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: where's Tony, Where's Tony every time, especially when we were 298 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: talking about Secretary Aspert. That's Tony Capacio. Bloomberg kind of 299 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 1: gone reporter more coming up next we pivot to politics. 300 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: Al Mother is going to join us, and of course 301 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: Tyler Deeton. Download Bloomberg Sound On podcast on Apple it Tunes, 302 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: at Bloomberg dot com, or by downloading Bloomberg Business App. 303 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: You can also find me on Radio dot com, I 304 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 1: Heart Radio, and Spotify. My name is Kevin Surley. I'm 305 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: the chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg TV and Radio. You're 306 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: listening to Bloomberg one. This is Bloomberg Sound On with 307 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: Kevin Surley on Bloomberg and one All five point seven 308 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: F M H D two. Lebron James, giving an interview 309 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: to The New York Times, says that he's all in 310 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 1: for and in fact, he and another group of prominent 311 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: African American athletes and entertainers, they've started a new group 312 00:17:55,720 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: aimed at protecting African Americans voting rights. Uh. And they 313 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: say he he said in an in an interview quote. 314 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,719 Speaker 1: Because of everything that's going on, people are finally starting 315 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: to listen to us. We feel like we're finally getting 316 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: a foot in the door. How long is up to us. 317 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: We don't know what we feel like. We are getting 318 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: some ears and it's some attention, and this is time 319 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: for us to finally make a difference. They're calling this 320 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 1: organization more than a vote uh, and it's going to 321 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: be a voter registration effort as well as a get 322 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: out the vote effort. UM. This according to Lebron James. Now, 323 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: they made no mention, they made no mention a President 324 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: Trump in their remarks. But Lebron remember he had the 325 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: betto remember Betta of Orke, Remember that shirt back in 326 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: Texas when Betto of Orke was running against um Tech 327 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: Cruz Remember ted one. But then Lebron James came out 328 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: with the whole T shirt. So this is not his 329 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: first dabble into politics. But again the New York Times reporting, um, 330 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: they the scoop on this, that that they're launching this 331 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: this new group. J mart reporting that Jonathan Martin all 332 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: right joining us on the telephone line. A good friend 333 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: of the program, Al moder, democratic strategist and partner at 334 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 1: Brownstein Hyatt Farber and sharek Al. How are you, hey, Kevin? 335 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: How you doing? I can't complain, you know, But did 336 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: you see Joe Biden today? He was in my home city, Philadelphia. 337 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: I miss it in Philadelphia, and he released a plan 338 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: to reopen the economy with some major federal support. He 339 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: says the President Trump only has a one point plan 340 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: and that's just reopened. But uh, Biden saying it's gonna 341 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: have to be more measured than that, and here's how 342 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: he would do it. What did you make of that? Oh? 343 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: I think it's good that the vice president needs to 344 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: get out there and show America what he's willing to do. 345 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: Um but his money where his mouth is, so to speak, 346 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: and and give people the sense that if they change 347 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 1: course in the middle of this great strategic time I'm sorry, 348 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: tragic time and our our history, they do so with 349 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 1: a purpose and for good reason. You know. I think 350 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: people aren't going to change course if they don't feel 351 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: like the switch is gonna make a difference. And so 352 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: I think it's great that he's coming out with a 353 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: progressive plan that's more comprehensive in terms of investing in 354 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: America's feature than Trump's and so on balance, very positive. 355 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: I saw the president folks making fun of him, but 356 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: that's what they're gonna do, so you can't get around that. Well. Meanwhile, 357 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: I mean there this really is a study in contrast. 358 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: Because President Trump is lining up rallies for in like 359 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: a week and a half and tels, He's going to 360 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: host in person fundraisers. He's getting back to a sense 361 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: of normalcy, which is what he would like to project. 362 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,679 Speaker 1: That is a sharp contrast from what Biden world is doing. 363 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: And I'm wondering, yes, everybody gets it that that's that 364 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: he you know, he's trying to portray and project a 365 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: more measured approach. But at the same time as he 366 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: putting himself at a disadvantage by not doing some of 367 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: these things that the that the other campaign is doing. Yes, uh, 368 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: in a short and I think I think that he 369 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: can be out there. He can be more active and 370 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: still be safe. He can do town halls and be safe. 371 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: He can go visit sites of importance and be safe. Um, 372 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: and he can visit with voters and be safe. Now, 373 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: I'm not I wouldn't encourage a person rally because that's 374 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: not a good idea. But at the same time, where 375 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: were all the critics when people were protesting, justifiably the 376 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: horrific racially motivated killing. So you can't have it both ways. 377 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: And I think the president is trying to be on 378 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 1: the side of action and energy. And I think when 379 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 1: Democrats uh complain about safety, they look weaker, whether or 380 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: not their arguments or intellectually coherence. And so I think 381 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: the Vice President audit it out there more the scenes, 382 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: more active al manyors online. He's a democratic strategist. And now, 383 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I appreciate the candor, I appreciate the honesty 384 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: because you didn't give me talking points right there. Yeah, 385 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: I mean because truthfully what you just said about the protests. 386 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna put it in in a in 387 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: a small town perspective where I grew up and outside 388 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: of Philly. You know, they can't get a haircut right now, 389 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: but they can go to the Jersey Shore. They can 390 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: you utilize their freedom of speech and participate in in 391 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: the in the peaceful protests. Uh. But but these small 392 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: town stores and mom and pop shops are still shuttered, 393 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 1: and I don't think it makes sense to a lot 394 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,479 Speaker 1: of people. So when you magnify that confusion on the 395 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: lens or through the prism of the standard bearer of 396 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, and you've got I don't know, I 397 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: mean it to me, it's it seems incredibly incredibly um 398 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: awkward for lack of a better word for what that 399 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: what they would like to be projecting. Yeah, and I 400 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: also think it plays in the President's sort of hurtful 401 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: and hateful desire. It's a portray Biden um in a 402 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 1: certain light. I'm not going to repeat his nicknames, but 403 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: for everybody's listening to knows what they are. And so 404 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: I think to counter that, you just got to show 405 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 1: activity and action. And look, this is complicated. There's no 406 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: black and white answer. Uh. If you take the health 407 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: imperative and that's your only driver, nobody should do anything. 408 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: If you say you've got to help people get back 409 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: to work and the economies get back and get going, 410 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: nobody should do anything to protect health. But neither of 411 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: those imperatives are above and beyond. You got to put 412 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 1: them together and figure out the best balance you can. 413 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: Where I come down is you need to give people 414 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,959 Speaker 1: the opportunity to make a living. If they choose not 415 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: to go back and end of the workforce because of fears, 416 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: then that's that's probably a good choice for them. But 417 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: let's give people a choice. All right, Well, well, I 418 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: mean fascinating, fascinating, Okay, any update on in terms of 419 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 1: who's going to pick for the VP? Do you think 420 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: it's gonna be Kamala? Who do you think? Who do 421 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: you think if I knew that Kevin I could make 422 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: a lot of money? I don't know. I think obviously 423 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: it's not shocking, uh for me to say that. I 424 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: think the odds of him picking an African American have 425 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: gone up since the Floyd killing. Um that you know, 426 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: for obvious reasons. Um. But I think Joe Biden is 427 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: a guy who really is a visceral politician who's gonna 428 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,479 Speaker 1: do what he feels most comfortable with. And I think 429 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 1: he's also serious with the fact that he wants to 430 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: pick somebody who he thinks could be president in four years, 431 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: because it's not clear to me that he's necessarily going 432 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,959 Speaker 1: to run twice. So who is that? Is that a mayor? 433 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 1: Is that a congress person, Is that a senator? You know, 434 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 1: the person has to check that those boxes, I think, 435 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: or she has to check those boxes, I should say, 436 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: and um, that doesn't narrow it a little bit. And 437 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: I think that some of the candidates who would be 438 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 1: spectacular from an energy standpoint, um and um and and 439 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 1: getting the base out might not check every single one 440 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: of those boxes that he's outlined. You know, it is 441 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: some of the names that have come up. Keisha Lance 442 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: bottoms Uh, the Atlanta mayor, she's been in the national 443 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 1: spotlight in addition to Kamala Harris, Congresswoman Val Demmings. She 444 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: has said that she's she's confirmed that she's getting vetted 445 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 1: for the position. So there there are a host of 446 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: different names. Susan Race is even someone potentially that has 447 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 1: been rumbled about as potentially being on on being looked 448 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: at as well. But I want to go back to 449 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: the point that you said you're not convinced he would 450 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: run for a second term. And do you do you 451 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: think he's going to need to to declare that ahead 452 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 1: of the election or no. No, But I think that 453 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: it's it's it's sort of a parent and it's part 454 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: of why he is suggesting he used to have somebody 455 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: who can step in. Why do you think it's apparent 456 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 1: not to interrupt you? But why do you think it's 457 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: a parent Well, because I think he came to this 458 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: race somewhat begrudgingly and reluctantly. He thought about running in 459 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: twenty six. He had a lot of personal tracks it 460 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: in his life, and he chose not to um for 461 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 1: very valid reasons. And I think he came to this 462 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 1: a bit reluctantly too. And the reason that he's doing 463 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: and is not for ambition or greed or anything like that. 464 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: But he wants to, he say, restoring the soul of 465 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: the nation. And you know, um, I don't think he's 466 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 1: trying to build a legacy like most presidents or you know, 467 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,959 Speaker 1: spend eight years, you know, getting stuff that can go 468 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: in the museum. For him, he's really trying to sort 469 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: of save our country from what he perceives to be 470 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: an aberration in our history. And so winning, um, I think, 471 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 1: at least as he sees it, would accomplish that pretty quickly. 472 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: So I I just find that remarkable and I and 473 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: I think that up on a debate stage, that contrast 474 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: will be remarkable, especially if he's able to get more 475 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: Republican endorsements, but not and not just the never trumpers. 476 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: But I don't know. I'm out a fascinating conversation. Thanks 477 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: so much for making from you today. Democratic Strategist had, 478 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: of course a partner at Brown Sting, Hyatt, Farber and 479 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: shrek Um breaking down everything and really not holding back. 480 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: Coming up, we're gonna check in with Tyler Deaton to 481 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 1: get the Republican viewpoint. I'm Kevin Cirelli. I'm the chief 482 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio. And 483 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: you're listening to Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg's Sound On with 484 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: Kevin Surreley on Bloomberg and one oh five point seven 485 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: f M HD two. I'm Kevin Sirelli. I'm the chief 486 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio. Tyler 487 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: Deaton's on the line. Tyler is a Republican strategists and fundraiser. 488 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: He's the president of Allegiance Strategies. Tyler, what have you 489 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: been up to in these quarantine times? Well, you know, 490 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: Congress was out for a little bit around Memorial Day, 491 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: but now they've been back and we're just trying to 492 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 1: see what all we can get done before we hit 493 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: the next big break around the fourth of July. You know, 494 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: what do you think they're going to get done another 495 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: round of economic stimulus. I think that's a great question. 496 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: There's not a lot that's moving. I think another stimulus 497 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: package is inevitable. Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has already put 498 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: a price tag on it up up to but no 499 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: more than one trillion dollars. I think that as we're 500 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: starting to feel more of the economic impact a lot 501 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: of your listeners have probably seen. Stock markets took a 502 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: huge hit today, down six percent on the SMP six 503 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: and a half percent down on the DOW. I think 504 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: that the Republican majority of the Senate has been waiting 505 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: for more economic data to decide what the next stimulus 506 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: packets should look like. But I'm going to move. I 507 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: think that Senator Tim Scott from South Carolina has put 508 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: forward a criminal justice reform package. I think we should 509 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: expect that would get some floor time this summer um 510 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: with everything that's happening around the country and other than that, 511 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what's gonna move. Oh, I 512 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: will let me ask you about that. About Senator Tim Scott, 513 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: the Republican from South Carolina. He's been the point person 514 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: for the White House in terms of a potential a 515 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: potential piece of legislation for for reform. But what I 516 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: want to know is, for something this um enormous, typically 517 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: it wouldn't pass before an election. And I'm wondering if 518 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: it's obviously not going to be um, you know what, 519 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: everything that the Democrats want, but is there enough appetite 520 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: for common ground for it to be passed UM before 521 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,479 Speaker 1: the election? Do you know what I'm trying to get at? 522 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: I mean, because because I do, I do, and you're right. 523 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: I mean, look like it's hard for these two parties 524 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: to come together um anytime, but especially in the heat 525 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: of an election, and especially on a topic like this. 526 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: And that's that's what I was gonna say. I think 527 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: that on this topic, just because of how much energy 528 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: there is around the country right now to do something, 529 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,239 Speaker 1: I think what we might see is that, um, the 530 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: Senators might come together with a sort of a modest 531 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: bill that they can do this summer, and then I 532 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: think you might see a much bigger bill move during 533 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: this this upcoming Lane Duck session in the December. I 534 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: think after the elections you could actually see a bigger 535 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: package move. But I guess what I would want to 536 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: point out is that there is a lot of common 537 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: ground here. I've seen today. Just today, Senator Rounds, a 538 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: Republican from South Dakota, and Senator Blanta, Republican from Missouri, 539 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: both said that they're open to taking Confederate general's names 540 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: off of military basis UM. And I gotta say, you know, 541 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: I was surprised that the um these guys stepping up, 542 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: well surprised, So, you know, I don't know, I don't know, keV. 543 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: There might be a little bit of a glimmer of 544 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: something coming together to actually some bipartisanship. So I was 545 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: taking my walk, you know, earlier today and I was 546 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: just thinking that, I mean, it's just been such a 547 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: doom and gloom news cycle today. I need some hope. 548 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: I need some defiant hope. Tyler Deaton's on the line. 549 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: He's a Republican strategist. Tie. I want to talk about 550 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: down ballot races. It's something that I haven't been been 551 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: paying as much attention to over the last couple of weeks. 552 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: And we have to because obviously who controls the House, 553 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: and the Senate has such such enormous implications for policy 554 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: no matter who's in the White House. So how have 555 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,239 Speaker 1: the how is pandemic? How has UM George Floyd? How 556 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: is that at all impacted the trajectory of of the 557 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: Senate UH and the House. I made this point to 558 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: Tom Keene earlier this week that it's it's a bit 559 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: more nuanced because if you're an incumbent, no matter which 560 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: party you're in at the state level, if you're an 561 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,959 Speaker 1: incumbent at the state level, the pandemic might have hell 562 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: to you because it hasn't allowed for your opposition to 563 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: criss cross the state or criss cross the district and 564 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: campaign as aggressively as they might have hoped. Well, I'll 565 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: tell you it's It all boils down to the map, 566 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: because everybody knows the electoral college is basically determined by 567 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: six or seven swing states, and this fall, the Senate 568 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: majority will also be controlled by about six or seven states. 569 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: And a few of those states are the same state, 570 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: North Carolina being one of those big top up states. Um, 571 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: whoever wins the White House probably need to win North Carolina, 572 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,719 Speaker 1: and then you have a Republican Senator Tom tillis up 573 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: for re election UM, and that's a tight race. And 574 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: so it's hard to say right now you know what 575 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: affects these races more COVID nineteen UM, the protests. I 576 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: think that there's a lot more information still to come 577 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: on what the economy actually looks like in November. But 578 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: look Arizona, Colorado, Maine, Georgia. These are all other states 579 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: that have Republican senators running for re election, and right 580 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: now they've all got a tough race. None of them 581 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: have a cakewalk. And so I know that UM majority 582 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: leader McConnell as well as the Democratic leader Chuck Schumer, 583 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: they're both watching this closely. Think that right now it's 584 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: just it's too early to say how this affects any 585 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: particular race, but it is for sure UM a tight, 586 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: a tight race to see who actually controlled the Senate. Kevin, 587 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that more and more Republicans do 588 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: believe that UM the Senate could flip, and so these 589 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: races are all just as important to a lot of 590 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: people as the race for the White House. Do you 591 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: think thetory of that UM Democrats need to win three 592 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: of these races UM and win the White House, or 593 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: if they need to win for you know, I would 594 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,959 Speaker 1: at least flag for folks that there's this. Um. You know, 595 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: Doug Jones is the Democratic senator from Alabama. He was 596 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: able to to squeak in because Republicans lost their minds 597 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: and nominated Roy Moore. Um, it seems like this time 598 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,800 Speaker 1: I don't think that Republicans are going to make the 599 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 1: mistaken Alabama again, And so Democrats are starting at a 600 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: small disadvantage because they're all but guaranteed to lose that 601 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: seat in Alabama. But even still, if Democrats can pick 602 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: up four seats, they could have control of the Senate. 603 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: Are your Republican strategist, Are you nervous about how Trump 604 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: has been doing the past couple of weeks. Um, I 605 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 1: am not so much nervous about how Trump's been doing. 606 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,359 Speaker 1: I'm nervous for our economy, Kevin. I think that I'm 607 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: nervous that it just doesn't seem like our parties can 608 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: come together on even the most basic things anymore, and 609 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: so look like we need another stimulus. Maybe that's partially 610 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: why I believe that there will be one. I think 611 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: we need one. I think that Congress is gonna have 612 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 1: to come together with some other economic rescue. Unemployment is 613 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: still and people are talking about the second wave of 614 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: the virus. I think we're just not thinking about what 615 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 1: that means for a second wave of economic pain. And 616 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: that's what we need to start talking about. You know, 617 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,439 Speaker 1: hospitality jobs, they're just some of them aren't coming back, 618 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: and so we've got to be thinking, to be thinking 619 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 1: with with innovation and mind. All right, so how do 620 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 1: we do that. We've got two minutes left and two minutes. 621 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: Tell me how we think of it all here in 622 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: two minutes, let's do it, you know, I think I 623 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: think that would be good. Tie tie, listen. Time is 624 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: of the essence. If we can do it in too, 625 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,919 Speaker 1: THI let's do it in too. I'll tell you. There's 626 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 1: one idea that's out there that I think has a 627 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: lot of promise UM, and it's to help with the 628 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: nonprofit sector. Okay, there are all these charitable organizations and 629 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: they're just getting destroyed by the bad economy. UM, And 630 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 1: that could be a great way to employ people. UM 631 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: is to look at these social service organizations and just 632 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: have the government UM, instead of trying to run some 633 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: of these programs itself, get money out into the charitable organization, 634 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 1: let them employ people, let them do some of this 635 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,879 Speaker 1: work that they know best. I think that that could 636 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 1: be a really exciting way to solve this. UM. I 637 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 1: know that there's a bill circulating that would would make 638 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: that part of the next relief package, So I think 639 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,720 Speaker 1: that people should keep an open mind for that. Tyler, 640 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 1: what are you streaming tonight? I think I'm still gonna 641 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,399 Speaker 1: be watching Lost. I'm I'm reaching which season everyone's watching Lost? 642 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 1: I was ahead of the curve. I watched it when 643 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 1: it was live. Wait, wait, which season? You've got a 644 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: hurry off? The season three? I'm like half. So you've 645 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: been down the hatch, you've been down the hedge and 646 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: clan a baby, Clan a baby. All right, Tyler Deeton, 647 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 1: Republican strategists appreciate you coming on and uh indulging with 648 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,799 Speaker 1: me President of Allegiance as well. Coming up tomorrow, we're 649 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,839 Speaker 1: going to continue the conversation. Hopefully we get a better 650 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,839 Speaker 1: news cycle tomorrow. Folks, don't you know, don't don't blame 651 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: the messenger. I'm Kevin si really, chief Washington correspondent for 652 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio. It's beautiful Bay. On 653 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: a walk, you're listening to Bloomberg's so bess h