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Speaker 1: One more day. Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, Zach

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Speaker 1: Kershman joins me for one more conversation before the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five NFL Draft. So what do the latest mock

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Speaker 1: draft say? Who's been mocked to the Cardinals at sixteen

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Speaker 1: the most? What do we think will happen? Also, players

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Speaker 1: are back in the building. The off season strength and

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Speaker 1: conditioning program is underway, and on day one we heard

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Speaker 1: from Paris Johnson Junior, Michael Wilson, and Garrett Williams. It's

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two, Episode eight seventy two, and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Who to Baker? What Heart?

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Speaker 1: What rent?

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Speaker 3: This guy's unbelievable?

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Speaker 4: He's ad the ten half of five. He's it again,

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Speaker 4: So more hurry Magic.

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Speaker 2: Whow Here's Craig Trieler.

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Speaker 1: So you're familiar with the Swedish rock band Europe. Correct Sach, No,

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Speaker 1: just the blank look on your face gives me all

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Speaker 1: I need to know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, not at all.

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Speaker 1: So you've not heard of Europe the rock band.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: Have you heard of the Final Countdown?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Bingo, there you go. Now now I can see the

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Speaker 1: light bulb just went off.

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Speaker 3: Did you do Do? Did did Do?

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Speaker 1: Sung by the Swedish rock band Europe?

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Speaker 4: Okay, you sent me up there. You could have said

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Speaker 4: do I know the Final Countdown?

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Speaker 3: First?

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Speaker 1: The other way around?

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Speaker 3: Do you know who the band is?

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Speaker 1: That? Yes? But see everyone knows the song, not everyone

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Speaker 1: that saying the band, which.

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Speaker 4: Is fair, but I think that the music matters more

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Speaker 4: than the band.

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Speaker 3: True.

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Speaker 1: By the way, that song was released in nineteen eighty,

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Speaker 1: which was how many years before you were born.

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Speaker 3: My parents were sixteen.

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Speaker 1: I just opened the door for that one.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well there's a reason I bring that up

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Speaker 1: because we are on the final countdown to the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five NFL Draft one more day and then we

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Speaker 1: can eliminate all the guessing, the predicting and actually discuss

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Speaker 1: a player, several players, and what their roles will now

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Speaker 1: be with the Arizona Cardinals, because, as we heard from

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Speaker 1: and then what role. So if they're in or if

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Speaker 1: they are if if they hear their name called, one,

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Speaker 1: we know they're a good person. Two team believes they're

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Speaker 1: a good player. Now three it's the we can speculate

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Speaker 1: what kind of role because I don't know if MANI

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Speaker 1: But then that becomes the next step, and the dominating

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Speaker 1: part of the conversation in the offseason is with these

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the role that a player might have on April

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Speaker 4: role that they might have in September, October, November. I mean,

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Speaker 3: To just be over.

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Speaker 4: But who are we kidding? Once the you know, mister

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Speaker 1: Speaking of mock drafts, the final mock draft tracker on

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Speaker 1: Azcardinals dot Com will be released on the day of

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Speaker 1: as the number of times we've heard these names or

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Speaker 1: Kenneth Grant defensive lineman out of Michigan, James Pearce junior

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Speaker 4: One hundred percent. We started to do these mock draft trackers.

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Speaker 4: One point zero was released a few days before the combine,

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Speaker 4: if I'm not mistaken, and the overwhelming favorite at that

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Speaker 4: So there was a lot of things that, you know,

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Speaker 4: The number one thing though, that is changing what the

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Speaker 4: that the Cardinals have zero interest in drafting a quarterback

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Speaker 4: on a tight end. You have the highest paid tight

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Speaker 4: at sixteen. It doesn't change the positions of need. There

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Speaker 4: Kenneth Grant sliding down a lot of draft boards, James

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Speaker 4: then John day Barn started to steadily climb. But he

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Speaker 4: has also picked some steam up at pick sixteen, as

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Speaker 4: has Jihad Campbell, the linebacker from Alabama. He has been

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Speaker 4: Kenneth Grant is the number one prospect for the Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: A couple of things First is okay, you mentioned why

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Speaker 1: things change. One, it's you get more information on these

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Speaker 1: there are two different entities. And again going back to

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Speaker 1: what Mani has said, your needs in April change when

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Speaker 1: I can give you five names that might hear in

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Speaker 1: Another five names that maybe they're going to be heard

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Speaker 1: the last twenty four hours. Peter Schrager, now with ESPN

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Speaker 1: longtime NFL network, has made the jump to the mothership

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Speaker 1: if you will.

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Speaker 3: How about that transfer portal move.

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Speaker 1: Nically done? He does, and he's done this for years.

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Speaker 1: Only one mock.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Peter King would also usually just do one mock

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Speaker 1: draft twenty four hours before. And again Peter Schrager mentioned

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Speaker 1: when he wrote this on ESPN dot com, it's what

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Speaker 1: he is hearing from league sources, team sources, not necessarily

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Speaker 1: what maybe the team particularly needs, but what other teams

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Speaker 1: you mentioned today Baron, the cornerback out of Texas, is

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Speaker 1: who Schreger believes is the pick for the Cardinals at sixteen.

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Speaker 1: He writes this, Remember head coach Jonathan Gannon is a

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Speaker 4: One hundred percent. The best move of free agency in

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Speaker 4: party when you're on your way back. Cardinals Cover two

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Speaker 4: will have instant reactions post draft pick, and then we'll

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Speaker 4: also be talking once my Austin for and johnathanan and

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Speaker 4: address the media at the end of the night. We'll

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Speaker 4: also come back on here and discuss what they spoke

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Speaker 4: about as well. So those are just your programming notes

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Speaker 4: for your very long draft night before we do it

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Speaker 4: all again on the rounds two and three the next night.

446
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Speaker 4: When it comes down to my opinion of what I

447
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Speaker 4: would hope for the Arizona Cardinals to do, I'm very

448
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 4: much in the same boat as you, Craig. I want

449
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Speaker 4: that defensive front player player a defensive front seven selection,

450
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Speaker 4: because the guys we mentioned they're getting a little bit older,

451
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Speaker 4: and I would love for an outside linebacker to learn

452
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Speaker 4: from somebody of the likes of Josh Sweat. You know,

453
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Speaker 4: you bring in a guy like Mikel Williams, who I

454
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Speaker 4: know is now starting to his draft status has fluctuated

455
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Speaker 4: all the way from top eight, top nine all the

456
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Speaker 4: way down to the lower twenties, so I've seen him

457
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Speaker 4: going all over. I know he's over under betting odds

458
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Speaker 4: right now. I'm pretty sure he's at fifteen and a half,

459
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Speaker 4: so that's writ in the sweet spot with the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 4: I would love a guy like Mikel Williams, the edge

461
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Speaker 4: rusher from Georgia, just a big body who has a

462
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Speaker 4: quick first step and truly could bull rush and the

463
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Speaker 4: offensive lineman both on the inside and the outside. And

464
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Speaker 4: also if you get a defensive tackle as well, Walter

465
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Speaker 4: Nolan and Kenneth Grant, Derek Harmon, there are a lot

466
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Speaker 4: of different players that could learn from the likes of

467
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Speaker 4: Dalvin Tomlinson and Kalays Campbell, and they could also lean

468
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Speaker 4: on guys like Darius Robinson and Dante Stills, who have

469
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Speaker 4: recently gone through this draft experience and are learning what

470
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Speaker 4: it takes to be in the league. If the Cardinals

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Speaker 4: do go offense, I'm not going to be complaining because

472
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Speaker 4: there hasn't been as much reinforcements draft free agency towards

473
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Speaker 4: that side of the ball. But I do think the

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Speaker 4: trajectory of this team. The Cardinals have invested a lot

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Speaker 4: in previous drafts on offense, I would like to see

476
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Speaker 4: a boost on defense.

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Speaker 1: Derek Carmon a name that hasn't been mocked a lot

478
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Speaker 1: to the Cardinals. Bucky Brooks his four point zero does

479
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Speaker 1: have harmon with the selection at sixteen a junior out

480
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Speaker 1: of Oregon sixt' four three thirteen, second team AP All American,

481
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Speaker 1: Third Team All Big Ten. So again, and you look

482
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Speaker 1: at someone that what's their role going to be on

483
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Speaker 1: game day? Certainly if you're a defensive tickle coming in,

484
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Speaker 1: it might be a little bit harder to crack that rotation.

485
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Speaker 1: At the same time, I'll keep saying that Zach Is,

486
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Speaker 1: the draft is not just about twenty twenty five. It's

487
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Speaker 1: about twenty twenty five and beyond. And when you look

488
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Speaker 1: at defensive tackles, currently on the roster. Darius Robinson is

489
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Speaker 1: the only one that is signed past twenty twenty six,

490
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Speaker 1: and then there are other players that have contracts but

491
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Speaker 1: no guaranteed money. So this all again, you're not drafting

492
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Speaker 1: for the now all the time. It's with an eye

493
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Speaker 1: towards the future. So again, now that we both publicly

494
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Speaker 1: said we believe it's or hope that it's going to

495
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Speaker 1: be a defensive player or a defensive front seven, you

496
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Speaker 1: watch and it's not gonna be that at all. It's

497
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Speaker 1: gonna be a cornerback or an inside linebacker like we

498
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Speaker 1: discussed earlier.

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Speaker 4: Which I wouldn't be opposed to, because I think if

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Speaker 4: you would have said to me before the combine, you're

501
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Speaker 4: gonna be drafting a cornerback or an inside an ironbacker

502
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Speaker 4: at that point, I probably would have dismissed that claim

503
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Speaker 4: and said, there's no shot that that's happening. The Cardinals

504
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Speaker 4: are gonna be going after the defensive front seven now

505
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Speaker 4: seeing how much of an emphasis has been put on

506
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Speaker 4: the trenches on the defensive side of the ball, and

507
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Speaker 4: you know, the desire to bring back a guy like

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Speaker 4: Baron Browning and put him on a two year deal

509
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Speaker 4: and then to bring in Josh Sweat on a four

510
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Speaker 4: year deal. I mean, these are the Cardinals have not

511
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Speaker 4: played around, They have not messed around about adding reinforcements

512
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Speaker 4: to those rooms. But you also want to add some

513
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Speaker 4: more youth to it as well. You want to be

514
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Speaker 4: able to add some more compliments there. You saw some

515
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Speaker 4: flashes from Xavier Thomas and from Bjo Jolari. You know

516
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Speaker 4: that these are two young guys now on the outside

517
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Speaker 4: linebacker room that can make a difference. But I wonder

518
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Speaker 4: what outside linebacker coach Matt Feeney actually does with them

519
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Speaker 4: as well.

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Speaker 1: Line of scrimmage. We've heard it from Mani, We've heard

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Speaker 1: it from JG. Yes, it becomes a little bit more

522
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Speaker 1: difficult when you're picking middle of the draft to relate

523
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Speaker 1: in the draft, which is where you always want to

524
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Speaker 1: be picking. You never want to have a top five pick,

525
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Speaker 1: so it's always best player available versus what do you

526
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Speaker 1: need and hopefully there's a marriage between those two, and

527
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Speaker 1: then you're not going out and reaching for someone because

528
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Speaker 1: there's a definitive hole that you have and this is

529
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Speaker 1: the last opportunity, barring signing someone off the street to

530
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Speaker 1: kind of fortify your roster. Cardinals are not in that position.

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Speaker 1: They have no holes. Again, we can think that there

532
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: might be need for an upgrade. But yes, this team

533
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Speaker 1: can go out and play a game this Sunday if

534
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Speaker 1: they want to with Isaiah Adams penciled in as potentially

535
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Speaker 1: your right guard or Royce Newman, who they brought in

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Speaker 1: someone to kind of battle. Now, could they bring in

537
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Speaker 1: someone else within the draft. Yeah, But this team, MANI

538
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: has done a good job in free agency and even

539
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Speaker 1: the first two years with the draft to kind of

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Speaker 1: figure out this is what we feel our team identity is.

541
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Speaker 1: These are the players that we want to build around,

542
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Speaker 1: and they've gotten to the point now we're picking at sixteen,

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Speaker 1: is okay, Let's see how.

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Speaker 4: The bowl board falls before.

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Speaker 1: Us, and then we can make our selection.

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Speaker 4: Of course, and I'm sure Moni's phone is going to

547
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Speaker 4: be ringing a little bit as the Cardinals, you know

548
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Speaker 4: that their name starts to pop up on the ticker

549
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Speaker 4: and there's they get put on the clock. My theory is,

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Speaker 4: I'm not anti the Cardinals drafting and offensive lineman to challenge,

551
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Speaker 4: especially on the interior offensive line position. It's just at

552
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Speaker 4: pick sixteen, if the Cardinals were to trade back into

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Speaker 4: the first round and they were able to select a

554
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Speaker 4: guy like Tyler Booker or you know, Kelvin Banks has

555
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 4: started to start to slide down some boards. You're able

556
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Speaker 4: to get some of these selections there. I'm not opposed

557
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Speaker 4: to that, I'm really not. But at pick sixteen, with

558
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 4: a loaded defensive line and edge rusher group, I've guess

559
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 4: there are a lot of question marks that I think

560
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 4: were not there around the combine time. You know, a

561
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 4: lot of character concerns have started to pop up, a

562
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 4: lot of health statuses have started to change between February's

563
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 4: combine and now with that being said, though, I do

564
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Speaker 4: still think that defensive front seven is the direction to go.

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Speaker 1: And that's the question as far as all right, at sixteen,

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Speaker 1: do you get the third best front seven player, but

567
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Speaker 1: that player is ranked higher on your board than maybe

568
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Speaker 1: the second best offensive lineman. And again, that's that discussion

569
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Speaker 1: that you have, but you have it before you're on

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Speaker 1: the clock, And those are the discussions that teams have

571
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Speaker 1: before day one of the draft, because by the time

572
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Speaker 1: you get to day one, you can't have any of

573
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Speaker 1: those discussions because time moves so fast when you're on

574
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Speaker 1: the clock. Yeah, it's ten minutes. But if you're fielding

575
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Speaker 1: phone calls, you don't want to have that conversation in

576
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: the room going all right, what do we think of

577
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 1: this player, what's his role going to be? Where they

578
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Speaker 1: fit within the roster. No, those conversations have to be

579
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Speaker 1: held before that.

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Speaker 4: If you watch the flight plan from last year, stick

581
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Speaker 4: and pick, you know that the Cardinals wanted Marvin Harrison

582
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Speaker 4: Junior or fourth overall. They said to Marvin on the phone,

583
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Speaker 4: it's been you, It's always been you. But for their

584
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 4: second first round pick, which ended up being Darius Robinson,

585
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Speaker 4: they had him in the back of their mind. We

586
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 4: want Darius here. We hope that he's going to slide

587
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 4: down the board, and you start to see, like, my

588
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 4: Moni's literally counting on the picks, all right, three picks,

589
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 4: two picks, one pick. So that by the time that

590
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 4: the Cardinals were on the clock at twenty seven, they

591
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 4: knew exactly what to do, and what they were discussing

592
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Speaker 4: was not They weren't contemplating who they should select. They

593
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 4: were talking about how excited Darius Robinson's going to be

594
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Speaker 4: once he ends up picking up the phone to only

595
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Speaker 4: be a fly in that war room right now, Craig

596
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 4: would be would be amazing.

597
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't have access. As Paul Calvic likes to say,

598
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: our key card does not gain us access into that room.

599
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Speaker 1: Cardinals was six picks as we speak here on this Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: one in each of the first five rounds and then

601
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Speaker 1: in a seventh round selection. All coverage all three days

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Speaker 1: beginning on Thursday, Azcardinals dot Com, and the number of

603
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Speaker 1: different channels and platforms as well. There'll be a ton

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Speaker 1: of dissecting and hearing from these new players in the

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Speaker 1: days to come. Speaking of hearing from players, kind of

606
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: getting lost. This week is officially, at least I'm calling

607
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Speaker 1: it officially, Zach. Year three of the Money and JG

608
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: Era officially began on Tuesday when players were brought back

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Speaker 1: into the building for the start of the offseason strength

610
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Speaker 1: and conditioning program. This is now year three. Players are

611
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Speaker 1: working without coaches on the field, but they are getting

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Speaker 1: their work on the field and in the weight room

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Speaker 1: and in the classroom as well. Certainly, seems like it's

614
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Speaker 1: been a good turnout based off the parking lot out here,

615
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Speaker 1: in the number of cars in the players loot, and

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Speaker 1: then the pictures that we've seen on Azycardinals dot Com.

617
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Speaker 1: And then on Tuesday, we also got a hit chance

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Speaker 1: to hear from Paris Johnson Junior, Michael Wilson, and Garrett Williams,

619
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Speaker 1: all of whom back in the building, all of whom

620
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Speaker 1: excited me back in the building. But a couple of

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Speaker 1: takeaways from each of these three, I think the biggest

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Speaker 1: takeaway from Paris one, okay, two takeaways. One, He's healthy

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Speaker 1: if that was ever a concern. He's healthy after missing

624
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Speaker 1: the last three games with a knee injury last season.

625
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Speaker 1: And then something that he brought up and I hadn't considered,

626
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Speaker 1: but he will be on quote the same side for

627
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: a second straight season. That hasn't happened since high school.

628
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: He is going to play left tackle for a second

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Speaker 1: straight year, and he has not had that at all

630
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: at Ohio State or in the NFL. As far as

631
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: being at one position back to back years, there's always

632
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: been moved to guard or right tackle or left tackle.

633
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Speaker 1: So the fact that he knows where his home is

634
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: going to be in twenty twenty five, I think says

635
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: a lot for him.

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Speaker 4: I hope that that shoots down any rumors that people

637
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Speaker 4: have about Paris moving over from the left side to

638
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 4: the right side of the line so that the Cardinals

639
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 4: could draft a left tackle. Paris Johnson Junior is the

640
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 4: left tackle of the future for the Arizona Cardinals. He

641
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 4: finished twenty twenty four as a Pro Bowl alternate, and

642
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 4: for the first time in his career, he missed games

643
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 4: after the knee injury, and I asked him about that.

644
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 4: He said that it made the offseason feel a lot

645
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 4: longer than usual for him, and that is why he's

646
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 4: had that itch to come back into the facility and

647
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 4: be with the guys, and throughout that he's worked a

648
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 4: lot on his stands, He's worked a lot on his technique,

649
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 4: and he gets to reunite with the offensive line coach

650
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Speaker 4: that helped propel him to an NFL starter or an

651
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 4: NFL first rounder in Justin Fry, the new offensive line

652
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 4: coach for the Arizona Cardinals who was his offensive line

653
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 4: coach at Ohio State. So there's a lot of familiarity

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Speaker 4: there and I'm excited and I'm eager to see how

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Speaker 4: that ends up working for Paras Jawnson Junior. He said

656
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Speaker 4: that he and coach Fry are on the same page

657
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Speaker 4: a lot of the time. Which is awesome to hear.

658
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Speaker 4: You would love to hear that, because especially that room,

659
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 4: it's a continuity and cohesiveness are super important. If one

660
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Speaker 4: person makes a mistake, it messes up the entire offensive line.

661
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Speaker 4: So Paris said he's going back to some of those

662
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Speaker 4: techniques in training development that he learned from Ohio State

663
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Speaker 4: that he was familiar with, to couple together with the

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Speaker 4: physicality and the two years of experience he already has

665
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Speaker 4: in the league. Couple that together with the fact that

666
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Speaker 4: now he's going back to left tackle for the second

667
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Speaker 4: year in a row, something which he hasn't done since

668
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Speaker 4: high school. Sky's the limit for Paris. He was very

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Speaker 4: hard on himself and said that now is the time

670
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Speaker 4: he wants to show to the world that he is

671
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Speaker 4: the best tackle in the game. He showed flashes of

672
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Speaker 4: it last year, now he's got double down on it.

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Speaker 1: Wants to be a little bit more vocal, not just

674
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Speaker 1: that hype man on game day, but actually be vocal

675
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Speaker 1: during the week as far as not just within the

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Speaker 1: offensive line room, but his teammates as well, whether that's

677
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Speaker 1: offense or defense. To be a leader, which I think

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Speaker 1: he is trending to be that guy. Especially he's into

679
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Speaker 1: year three because well, your three, you're almost a veteran. Now,

680
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Speaker 1: I mean the life span of an NFL player as

681
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Speaker 1: far as average years in the league is not much

682
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Speaker 1: more than three years. So here is year three for

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Speaker 1: Paris Johnson Junior.

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Speaker 4: But it's also the left tackle position CRG.

685
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Speaker 3: That's true.

686
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Speaker 4: We know how important that position is on the field.

687
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Speaker 4: We talk about, you know, the quarterbacks and the most important position,

688
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 4: and getting to the quarterback is the next most important thing.

689
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Speaker 4: But who's stopping that. It's your offensive tackles, it's your

690
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Speaker 4: offensive line. And on Kyler Murray's blindside there on the

691
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Speaker 4: left handle on the left side, Paris Johnson Jr. Was

692
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Speaker 4: drafted for that reason was to protect was to protect

693
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Speaker 4: Kyler Murray's blind side. He's done a really solid job

694
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Speaker 4: at that. And he took on the role from DJ

695
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Speaker 4: Humphries last season. Once hump and the Cardinals parted ways,

696
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 4: Paris became the hype guy. He was the one that

697
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Speaker 4: had the huddle for the offensive lineman and for the

698
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Speaker 4: defensive lineman. And I was standing on the field for

699
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Speaker 4: all the home huddles and to see how animated Paris got.

700
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Speaker 4: He was pushing. He was shoving, he was yelling. But

701
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Speaker 4: there's one thing for certain is that he got the high.

702
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Speaker 4: He's got the guys pretty hyped up. And I remember

703
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Speaker 4: the following game after he got injured against the Patriots,

704
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 4: the Cardinals played the Carolina Panthers and yelled the thro

705
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 4: hold got into the huddle and he goes, guys, I'm

706
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Speaker 4: not gonna push you like Paris did, and everybody kind

707
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 4: of got a chuckle. But I think that that was

708
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 4: missing in that game against the Carolina Panthers. We know

709
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Speaker 4: how much of a slow starting was for the Cardinals

710
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 4: offense that that does make a difference. Now he wants

711
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 4: to be a little bit more vocal, not just on

712
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Speaker 4: game days but from the Monday through Saturday as well.

713
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Speaker 1: Player that wants to do more in twenty twenty five.

714
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Speaker 1: Michael Wilson always enjoy listening to him, and he always

715
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Speaker 1: has great answers and thoughtful responses, and he doesn't come

716
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Speaker 1: across as a me guy or it's about me. And

717
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 1: when I'm gonna say this, just know that I understand

718
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Speaker 1: the context in which he mentioned this, but I thought

719
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Speaker 1: it was interesting Zach when he was asked about all

720
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Speaker 1: right this coming season year, three. What are you working on?

721
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Speaker 1: What do you want to do? And he mentioned producing

722
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Speaker 1: more showing up on the stat sheet. That's a very

723
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Speaker 1: individual thing, but he said it in the context of

724
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Speaker 1: helping the team. He wants to have better numbers because

725
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Speaker 1: he believes I do too, that if he has better numbers,

726
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Speaker 1: the team is performing better and has a better chance

727
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Speaker 1: at moving off that eight win mark to nine, ten, eleven,

728
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: twelve wins. But he is someone that again, everyone in

729
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: this league, everyone, every professional athlete, has a little bit

730
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Speaker 1: of an ego. And yes, Michael Wilson had a decent season,

731
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: an okay season, but forty seven receptions, five hundred and

732
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Speaker 1: forty eight yards, four touchdowns. He believes those numbers can

733
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Speaker 1: be better and probably should have been better based off

734
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Speaker 1: how he watches film postgame scene where he could have

735
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Speaker 1: had a catch, or could have run a better route

736
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Speaker 1: or come back for the football. As he said, he's

737
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: his own worst critic, and he believes that if he

738
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Speaker 1: performs up to his standards, he could have much better numbers,

739
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Speaker 1: which would lead to much better success for the Arizona Cardinals.

740
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Speaker 4: There has been talked throughout the draft process about the

741
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 4: Cardinals drafting a wide receiver two and a speed stir

742
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 4: somebody that could go down the field to Matthew Golan

743
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 4: Golden A Tet McMillan from Arizona, although his name has

744
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 4: been last mock to the Arizona Cardinals as the draft

745
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 4: process has been on. I'm pretty sure I just saw

746
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Speaker 4: a mock draft where he was put up to number five.

747
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 4: So Tet McMillan has had a very wide range as well.

748
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Speaker 4: But the reason why I bring this up is because

749
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Speaker 4: Michael Wilson, you know, he hears all that kind of noise,

750
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 4: and while the production hasn't been there on the stat sheet,

751
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 4: the production has been there in a way that the

752
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 4: common eye, the untrained eye might not see. Michael Wilson's

753
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 4: an incredible blocking wide receiver, which has helped James Connor

754
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 4: have back to back one thousand yard seasons. Super important,

755
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 4: and that's something that Jonathan Gannon has talked about. If

756
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 4: you don't block, you're not going to get the football

757
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 4: thrown your way. You have to earn the trust of

758
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 4: your quarterback and your teammates so that when you do

759
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 4: get open and the balls going your direction, there's confidence

760
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Speaker 4: and there's trust that you're going to be able to

761
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Speaker 4: make a play. With that being said, there were a

762
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Speaker 4: couple times last year where Kylleer Murray and Michael Wilson

763
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 4: did not connect and if they would have connected. I

764
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 4: think back to the game against the Carolina Panthers and

765
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Speaker 4: the game the following week against the Los Angeles Rams.

766
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Speaker 4: Kyler Murray rolls out to the right side of the

767
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 4: field and he tries looking deep and the two were

768
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 4: not able to be on the same page. They get

769
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 4: on the same page. Michael Wilson's stat sheet gets another

770
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 4: one hundred plus yards added to it and two extra receptions,

771
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 4: and that does make a big difference. So while a

772
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 4: lot of analysts and experts are talking about the Arizona

773
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 4: Cardinals and the wide receiver two position, Michael Wilson has

774
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 4: the capabilities of being that guy. And Kyler Murray has

775
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 4: said throughout a few different interviews that he still has

776
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 4: to believe that Michael Wilson could be a one thousand

777
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 4: yard receiver in the NFL, and Michael Wilson also has

778
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Speaker 4: that same belief.

779
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Speaker 1: It's fascinating to hear these players talk. Again, it's and

780
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 1: what we see on a stat sheet doesn't always show

781
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: up on the football field, because you make a great

782
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: points back as far as all right, what's your role

783
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: on this particular play as a wide receiver. Maybe it's

784
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 1: not to get the pass, maybe it's not to get open,

785
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: but it's to block, and you might have had a

786
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,959
Speaker 1: great game blocking. Yet you look at the stat sheet

787
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,439
Speaker 1: and you had two catches for fifteen yards. So again

788
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 1: going back to the numbers, not there, And it's more

789
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: than just the numbers. As Michael Wilson mentioned as well,

790
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: but at the end of the season, I think he

791
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: wants to see better numbers for him because in his eyes,

792
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Speaker 1: he believes that means that the Cardinals have had better

793
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Speaker 1: success because he's had more of an impact on the

794
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Speaker 1: t Of.

795
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 4: Course, the more he puts in and brings to the table,

796
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 4: the more opportunities that open up for Marvin Harrison Junior

797
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 4: or for Greg Dortch or Zay Jones. Because when you haven't,

798
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 4: when a lot of focus is put on Trey McBride

799
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 4: and Marvin Harrison Junior, you want to be able to

800
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 4: have that trust and that confidence in Michael Wilson. While

801
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 4: they do have that, the offense wasn't open up in

802
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 4: a way that Michael Wilson was able to explode in

803
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 4: the ways that I think a lot of people were

804
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 4: hoping to see from wide receiver two. But it's not

805
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 4: a personal accolade to look at me. I want a

806
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 4: thousand plus yards. He knows that if he gets a

807
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 4: thousand plus yards, that's going to turn into more wins,

808
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 4: better production for the offense, and more weapons potentially being

809
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 4: opened because of an added focus on number fourteen.

810
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: The other player we heard from on Tuesday Garrett Williams,

811
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: and with him it was his presence at Patrick Peterson's

812
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: retirement press conference. No connection with P two at all,

813
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: did not play with him, yet we saw him behind

814
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Speaker 1: us during that press conference along with Trey McBride sitting

815
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Speaker 1: with Budda Baker and JT. Now Buddha and JT did play,

816
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: their careers have overlapped with Patrick Peterson. But to see

817
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: Garrett Williams, who does wear twenty one the number of

818
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: that P two war here and at some point will

819
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: be in the Ring of Honor as long as Larry

820
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald's number and name gets up there first. But that

821
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Speaker 1: having Garrett again on that day on a Monday, either

822
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Speaker 1: come in or early, get your workout, in and before

823
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Speaker 1: you leave, at least, as he said, quote pay homage

824
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: to the player before him and someone that he looks

825
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: up to, because yes, Patrick Peterson very very good cornerback,

826
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Speaker 1: excellent cornerback, maybe even in the Hall of Fame cornerback,

827
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Speaker 1: and that's someone that Garrett Williams wants to be like

828
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Speaker 1: to have that kind of an impact on a team.

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Speaker 3: OOKA.

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Speaker 4: If Garrett Williams could have a career that could resemble

831
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Speaker 4: what Patrick Peterson had, I'm sure he would one hundred

832
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 4: want to sign up for that. Garrett Williams is also

833
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 4: a student of the game. He has a notebook where

834
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 4: he goes through so many different notebooks because he's so

835
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 4: focused on the guys that he's lining up against and

836
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 4: the different play calls that he typically sees from the

837
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 4: opponent of the opposing offense. He's a student of the game.

838
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 4: And it's that pre draft interview that stood out to

839
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 4: the coaching staff into the front office that made them

840
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 4: want to select Garrett Williams even though he was coming

841
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 4: off the ACL injury, because of how he's a student

842
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 4: of the game. When you get to learn about the

843
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 4: history of the game and not just the history of

844
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 4: the game. But you have a guy that you resemble

845
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 4: a lot of You're wearing his jersey number, you're in

846
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 4: the same facility that he used to practice in. When

847
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 4: that happens, and you're wearing the same Cardinal burrhead logo,

848
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 4: that's a bond that only the two of them are

849
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 4: going to have. So it's a it's a testament to

850
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 4: Patrick Reederson's career, and it's a testament to Garrett Williams

851
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 4: always striving to want to have something more and to

852
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 4: be the best version of himself.

853
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: If you want to hear all three, Harris, Michael and

854
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: Garrett got Asycardinals dot com and what they had to

855
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: say on day one of the off season strength and

856
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: conditioning program. You mentioned the history of the game before

857
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: we cut you loose to go work on that mock

858
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: draft tracker. I'm gonna let you talk about yourself and

859
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: in a good way. Don't get sidetracked here, Zach. The

860
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: history of the game, your story on Asycardinals dot com

861
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: all to talk about Travis Hunter, and let's not forget

862
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: that once upon a time there was an Arizona Cardinals

863
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: player by the name of Roy Green. In fact, going

864
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: back before was Arizona, who played both wide receiver and

865
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Speaker 1: cornerback and played it at a high level before he

866
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: transitioned to full time wide receiver. And you had a

867
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Speaker 1: chance to discuss that with him when Roy was in

868
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: the building in fact, last week, when he was on

869
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 1: the Big Red.

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Speaker 4: Rage, and before there was Travis Hunter, there was Roy

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Speaker 4: jet streaming Green. And if Travis Hunter once they get

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Speaker 4: glimpse of what it takes to be a two way

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Speaker 4: player in the NFL, being able to play both defensive

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Speaker 4: back and wide receiver, all he has to do is

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Speaker 4: turn on the tape of nineteen eighty one and watch

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Speaker 4: how Roy Green was able to do it. Because in

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Speaker 4: nineteen eighty one, Roy Green three different times and it

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Speaker 4: was the first time since nineteen fifty seven that this

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00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 4: had happened three different times in a game. He had

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Speaker 4: an interception and a reception in the same game, and

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Speaker 4: that was something that had not happened since a Washington

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Speaker 4: player did it in nineteen fifty seven. And I was

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Speaker 4: asking Roy just about his experience playing the position and

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Speaker 4: what Travis Hunter is going to learn about playing the position,

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00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 4: because he said, if a team drafts him and only

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Speaker 4: forces him to play one side, of the ball. He's

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00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 4: quote never going to play football again, end quote. And

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Speaker 4: that was telling. And when I asked Roy about that,

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Speaker 4: he said, well, he better get prepared for how difficult

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Speaker 4: it is going to be. Travis Hunter might have made

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00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 4: it look easy in college ball. And not that the Pack,

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00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 4: not that the Big Twelve is any slouch of a conference,

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Speaker 4: not at all, But the NFL is a different game.

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Speaker 4: The physicality and the motor that these guys play with

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Speaker 4: those fifty sixty snaps are very different than the fifty

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Speaker 4: sixty snaps he plays on one side of the ball

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Speaker 4: in college. And then you start to think about that

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Speaker 4: fifty sixty snaps on offense and then fifty sixty snaps

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Speaker 4: on defense. That's over one hundred and twenty snaps. You're

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Speaker 4: playing two games to every players one. So Roy was

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00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 4: simply talking about just how difficult it is for that

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Speaker 4: to be done. After nineteen eighty one, Roy, they realized

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Speaker 4: how good of a wide receiver Roy was, and they

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Speaker 4: moved him over to two wide receiver and kept him there,

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Speaker 4: And even though he was drafted as a defensive back,

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Speaker 4: wide receiver became the position he became very popular for.

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Speaker 4: But when you think of Roy Green, you think about

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Speaker 4: the versatility and the willingness to play on two different

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Speaker 4: sides of the ball, and when that ends up happening,

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Speaker 4: because Travis Hunter will find out his destination, where he's

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Speaker 4: going to be going, and how they're going to divvy

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Speaker 4: up his snap totals. Roy Green's got some advice for him,

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Speaker 4: and it's to just be prepared for the long rule.

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Speaker 1: It's good for from a player who did it once

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Speaker 1: upon a time and did at a very high level.

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Speaker 1: Now the question is how long can Travis Hunter do

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Speaker 1: it in this National Football League here in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: So it's gonna be fun to see where Hunter lands.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun to see what the Cardinals do

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Speaker 1: at pick sixteen. Zach, are you ready?

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Speaker 3: Oh so ready? I'm so ready.

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Speaker 4: I'm so ready for the mot That sounded like a

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Speaker 4: sigh of relief. Yeah, I'm ready for the mock drafts

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Speaker 4: to be done and there's no more draft primers. You know,

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Speaker 4: we're ready to go. Bring on twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Sounds good to me. By the way, for those that

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Speaker 1: what a shame she had another SI. See that's a

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Speaker 1: All right, go get back to the mock draft.

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Speaker 3: I'm already working on it.

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Speaker 1: On that note, we will put a lit on this

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Speaker 1: edition of Cardinals, Cover two, presented by Hyundai, probably partner

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Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our

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Speaker 1: executive producer Jim Mama Andre, our associate producer Cody Fincher.

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Speaker 1: For Zach Kershman, I'm Craig Rayel Lou. We'll talk to

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Speaker 1: you next time here on Cardinals cover two,