WEBVTT - Behind The Trial: Reflections on the Diddy Trial and Media Evolution

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a homegrowl that knows a little bit about everything.

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<v Speaker 2>And everybody, you know, if you don't lie about that.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Hey, y'all, what's up. It's Laura de Rosa and

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<v Speaker 3>this is the Latest with Laura de Rosa. This is

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<v Speaker 3>your daily dig on all things pop culture, entertainment, news

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<v Speaker 3>and all of the conversations that shake the room.

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<v Speaker 4>Baby.

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<v Speaker 3>Now we are getting into and I'm so happy we've

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<v Speaker 3>been doing this so much lately on the podcast. We're

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<v Speaker 3>getting into another conversation that is gonna shake the room. Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>And it's about conversations that shook the room. So I was,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, honored to be invited. Shout out to Jureka

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<v Speaker 3>Duncan from CBS News. Uh, I was honored to be

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<v Speaker 3>invited by her and her Association of Black Journalists New

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<v Speaker 3>York team to speak on a panel about the experience

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<v Speaker 3>of covering the Diddy trial. Now, you guys know, here

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<v Speaker 3>the Latest with Laura Rosa, the podcast that the Diddy

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<v Speaker 3>trial and that coverage was such a you know, a

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<v Speaker 3>time for us, not only because I think you know

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of people were able to really hear my

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<v Speaker 3>voice separately of anywhere else you've ever heard.

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<v Speaker 1>It, but also it was such a hustle.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean every day from you know, early four am,

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<v Speaker 3>five am mornings with the breakfast club, going right to court,

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<v Speaker 3>finishing my day six seven pm, and getting back up

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<v Speaker 3>and doing it again, to the point where I was

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<v Speaker 3>like cleetwalking, and you guys will know, we were doubling

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<v Speaker 3>up on content.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was very honest about you guys.

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<v Speaker 3>I was very honest with you guys about just how

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<v Speaker 3>I was feeling, how I was handling it, and everything

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<v Speaker 3>I was seeing in the courtroom.

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<v Speaker 5>And it stuck.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was joined by some amazing journalists, you know

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<v Speaker 3>the outlets in the room. Shout out to Picks eleven,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a local New York traditional news station. There

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<v Speaker 3>was you know, ABC was in the room. You also

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<v Speaker 3>had let me actually get their names so I can

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<v Speaker 3>make sure giving these beautiful journal journalists their credit. So

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<v Speaker 3>on the panel you had Armind Wiggins shout out to

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<v Speaker 3>Arma Yaa. I love Armand who is a YouTube content creator.

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<v Speaker 3>Celia Bussy who is a senior field producer with TMZ.

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<v Speaker 1>I worked with her there for some time.

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<v Speaker 3>Darla Miles who was a reporter for ABC seven, Jay

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<v Speaker 3>Dow who is a reporter for Pixe eleven, and then

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<v Speaker 3>Jureka Duncan, who was the moderator of the conversation who

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<v Speaker 3>I mentioned in the beginning of this from CBS News,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was there on behalf of the Breakfast Club

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<v Speaker 3>and the Latest with Lona Rosa, and we got into

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<v Speaker 3>some conversations. They weren't the easiest because covering the Diddy

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<v Speaker 3>trial and all the things we learned weren't but we

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<v Speaker 3>had it. Let's get into it.

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<v Speaker 6>Hello, everybody, thank you so much for coming. I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 6>you look so familiar. I know who you are. I

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<v Speaker 6>really appreciate you all taking the time to come together

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<v Speaker 6>to hear some of what we had to say and

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<v Speaker 6>experience while covering the Diddy trial. Welcome officially to behind

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<v Speaker 6>the scenes, behind the headlines covering the p Diddy trial

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<v Speaker 6>from start to sentencing. So for many of us, coverage

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<v Speaker 6>of Sean Diddy combe started two years ago, almost to

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<v Speaker 6>the day when his ex longtime girlfriend, Cassie Ventura filed

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<v Speaker 6>her civil lawsuit. More allegations were lodged. Colmes was later

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<v Speaker 6>arrested in September of twenty twenty four. A federal criminal

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<v Speaker 6>trial followed in May of this year and by now

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<v Speaker 6>you know the rest. The now fifty six year old

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<v Speaker 6>Grammy Award winning artists mogul and father of seven, was

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<v Speaker 6>convicted on two counts of transportation to engage in prostitution.

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<v Speaker 6>His release date is June of twenty twenty eight. Combs's

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<v Speaker 6>conviction was a pivotal moment in the culture that has

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<v Speaker 6>shaped many of us in this room. I grew up

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<v Speaker 6>listening to Colms's music, and on the outside he represented

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<v Speaker 6>someone who made it in spite of But when it

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<v Speaker 6>was all over, I felt it was important to come

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<v Speaker 6>back together with my colleagues sitting right here to reflect

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<v Speaker 6>on a once in a lifetime memory trial that shaped

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<v Speaker 6>all of us in different ways. So tonight you will

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<v Speaker 6>get a chance to speak with a diverse group of reporters, producers,

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<v Speaker 6>content creators for a revealing and respectful conversation about the

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<v Speaker 6>trial of the year. Clap it up, We're gonna make

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<v Speaker 6>some noise.

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<v Speaker 7>Hi, it's Selia Simone.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm here with Arma Legasp I'm j Dal This is

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<v Speaker 8>the latest with Lona Rosa.

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<v Speaker 4>Well that you have been in every single day.

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<v Speaker 9>Frega, how wout you describe Passi's demeanor which you took

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<v Speaker 9>the stands today.

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<v Speaker 10>Welcome to the Dissecting Vinny podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody's talking about jury.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't believe that when you're telling you right now,

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<v Speaker 3>it's true that I do believe one day, Willie, And

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<v Speaker 3>if it is a.

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<v Speaker 10>Thank you love, what do you make of the government

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<v Speaker 10>strength in this case compared to when you represented him

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<v Speaker 10>twenty six years ago.

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<v Speaker 7>And just stepped out of the courtroom? And tensions were

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<v Speaker 7>extremely high on day fourteen of the Ditty trial, prosecutors

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<v Speaker 7>accusing Ditty's attorney Ryan Steele of yelling at and humiliating

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<v Speaker 7>Ditty's formal assistant Niya, who's on the stands today.

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<v Speaker 11>Mia had a heartbreaking testimony in which she spoke about

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<v Speaker 11>being suchly assaulted by did He.

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<v Speaker 7>She mentioned seeing tons of abuse.

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<v Speaker 4>Could you imagine somebody telling you, do you know what

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<v Speaker 4>your problem is? Could you went away for a view

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<v Speaker 4>the video.

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<v Speaker 12>Jurra Island for a hour.

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<v Speaker 7>And I joked with you a couple of days ago

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<v Speaker 7>about you know, footsopb the next.

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<v Speaker 10>Generation of news gatherers who offer their own opinion.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not on either side. Let me just start there.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not on either side.

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<v Speaker 9>Did He is facing life in prison and convicted. So

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<v Speaker 9>let's break down what he's actually charged with. There are

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<v Speaker 9>five counts total in the indictment, rocketeering conspiracy, rico, two

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<v Speaker 9>counts of sex trafficking, and two counts of transportation to

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<v Speaker 9>engage in prostitution. Okay, let's start with Rigo. It was

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<v Speaker 9>a lot that was passed in nineteen seventy so that

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<v Speaker 9>the gun making takedown the mob. So he was found

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<v Speaker 9>not guilty of the racketeering charge. He was found not

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<v Speaker 9>guilty of trafficking. Well, he was found guilty of was

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<v Speaker 9>the prostitution.

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<v Speaker 7>So the first verdict Todd racketearing conspiracy, not guilty. You

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<v Speaker 7>saw him do this, pop and so top it all off.

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<v Speaker 11>This week President Nowald Trump was teasing and alluding to possibly.

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<v Speaker 4>Part of thing.

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<v Speaker 11>Sean Combs, Sewan Buffy Combs, SHAWNA did it comes there's

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<v Speaker 11>a prostitution for Casy Ventura guilty.

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<v Speaker 4>He was shocked.

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<v Speaker 7>He was visibly affected when that one came. You could

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<v Speaker 7>tell he.

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<v Speaker 8>Was not a brain for that to come like a kinetic,

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<v Speaker 8>like a real serious shock because I think you know,

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<v Speaker 8>once you start hearing the work, heinditive, not guilty.

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<v Speaker 5>Bird, it's there.

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<v Speaker 8>Maybe have been an assumption that there was going to

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<v Speaker 8>continue to be a not guilty verdict.

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<v Speaker 6>This was the most important day of this case. His

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<v Speaker 6>sentence is fifty months of incarceration at NIFFOLO, which is

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<v Speaker 6>the lead of turning for Combs asking for more time

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<v Speaker 6>to list the recommendations, also supervised release five years. No

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<v Speaker 6>reaction from Colnes. He is still sitting and there's a

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<v Speaker 6>five hundred thousand dollars fine.

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<v Speaker 8>Sean Combs dropped a different and just bowed his head

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<v Speaker 8>and just pray.

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<v Speaker 6>This is probably the first trial where I've seen so

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<v Speaker 6>much social media presence, TikTok, Instagram, bloggers, people out here.

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<v Speaker 6>So even though you're not supposed to look at your

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<v Speaker 6>phone and you're not supposed to read messages from familin

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<v Speaker 6>friends about this case, there's a lot of information out there.

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<v Speaker 13>Man.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you and thank you to Ron Thompson who put

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<v Speaker 6>that lovely video together. So before we get started on

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<v Speaker 6>the questions that I have, and we're going to open

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<v Speaker 6>it up to Q and A, I want everybody to

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<v Speaker 6>just take thirty seconds to introduce themselves, who they are

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<v Speaker 6>and why they're here. Thirty seconds, Lauren, you can start

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<v Speaker 6>us off.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody, I'm Lauren le Rosa.

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<v Speaker 3>I am the senior news producer at The Breakfast Club

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<v Speaker 3>and I am the host and a creator of the

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<v Speaker 3>Latest with Lona Roads, of the podcast on the Black

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<v Speaker 3>Effect Network via iHeart.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm here because I was. I was there. We

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<v Speaker 1>were in the courthouse and covering the trial.

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<v Speaker 3>I was covering it for the radio show The Breakfast

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<v Speaker 3>Club that I worked for, and then it spilled over

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<v Speaker 3>into the podcast, and then it took its own life

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<v Speaker 3>on social media, and it's just been such a conversation

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<v Speaker 3>because it was such a big deal in pop culture

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, in conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Jay Dawe.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm a correspondent with wpix pix eleven News and the

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<v Speaker 10>host of Community Close Up with Jay dow And I

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<v Speaker 10>was in the trenches with these amazing journalists. I'm not

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<v Speaker 10>going to break it down and call them content creators

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<v Speaker 10>because we were all there in the courtroom with pads

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<v Speaker 10>in our laps, pens or pencils taking notes that are

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<v Speaker 10>re court. You can't bring in cameras, And it was

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<v Speaker 10>an amazing experience, an eye opening experience for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is my twenty sixty.

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<v Speaker 10>Year reporting in New York City, and this is the

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<v Speaker 10>first time that I saw our business come full circle,

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<v Speaker 10>the evolution. I felt like this was the transition where

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<v Speaker 10>you had, you know, one hundred years ago radio stars

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<v Speaker 10>and silent movie stars looking to the future.

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<v Speaker 2>And I saw folks.

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<v Speaker 10>Like Lauren, like armand sitting there doing what they do,

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<v Speaker 10>delivering the same material to their own audiences, and I

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<v Speaker 10>was I was so impressed. So I'm honored to be

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<v Speaker 10>here and it's great to be a part of this.

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<v Speaker 8>Good evening everyone. I'm Darla Miles, a correspondent with ABC

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<v Speaker 8>seven New York. I have been on the streets of

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<v Speaker 8>New York City for sixteen years. I have been in

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<v Speaker 8>this industry for thirty years. Benjamin Button, Yes, and you

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<v Speaker 8>know I've I cover crime. I cover a lot of

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<v Speaker 8>high profile crime. I produced a documentary set the record straight,

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<v Speaker 8>the cold case murder of cham Master Jay. And I

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<v Speaker 8>don't do celebrity news or sports news, but whenever they

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<v Speaker 8>get arrested, you will see me in court. I just

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<v Speaker 8>really can't even remember. Because there's always the thing about

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<v Speaker 8>covering news in New York and crime and high profile crime.

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<v Speaker 8>Everything is the big story until the next big story.

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<v Speaker 8>So there was Trump, there was Jonathan Majors. I've covered

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<v Speaker 8>Luigi Mangioni, Weinstein, the Guilgo murders. I was there on

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<v Speaker 8>the first day when they found the first body. So

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<v Speaker 8>I've just been in the trenches a long time and

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<v Speaker 8>being a part of legacy media, I really feel it's

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<v Speaker 8>a duty and a calling and a purpose in life

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<v Speaker 8>to hold this seat at the table to make sure

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<v Speaker 8>there is representation and context and everything that we cover

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<v Speaker 8>when it comes to being empathetic as a human right,

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<v Speaker 8>not just a person of color, not just a woman,

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<v Speaker 8>but being the good Southern person that my family taught

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<v Speaker 8>me to be, treat people the way you'd like to

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<v Speaker 8>be treated. So I'm very humbled and honored every day

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<v Speaker 8>that I get a chance to be one of the

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<v Speaker 8>lead reporters at the number one news station in the city,

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<v Speaker 8>the number one station in the country, a legacy station

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<v Speaker 8>that really shaped local news. And like Jay said, we're

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<v Speaker 8>now part of an evolution in our and our industry

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<v Speaker 8>where the ecosystem is expanding and we're all better for it.

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<v Speaker 12>Hello.

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<v Speaker 11>I am Celia Simone. I am a senior fild producer

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<v Speaker 11>at TMZ Hence Field so for the Diddy Child, I

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<v Speaker 11>was almost exclusively in the field covering the case. I

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<v Speaker 11>really was honored to cover the case because, like Jureka said,

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<v Speaker 11>I grew up listening to Ditty's music and I was always,

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<v Speaker 11>you know, to be honest, a fan. So this was

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<v Speaker 11>a different way of seeing someone I looked up to

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<v Speaker 11>my whole life, a different way to kind of view them.

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<v Speaker 11>I will say that I'm also a YouTuber, so I

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<v Speaker 11>was really anxious to talk to my YouTube family and

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<v Speaker 11>to also do my field work. But I think what

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<v Speaker 11>was really important was my voice. People always notice my voice.

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<v Speaker 11>I have a really interesting voice. In this trial really

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<v Speaker 11>helped to further the narrative. With my voice, you probably

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<v Speaker 11>heard me saying, oh my god, Justin, I love that jacket,

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<v Speaker 11>or ms COLEMs, I love your hair, you know was

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<v Speaker 11>I kind of was carving out a lane for myself

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<v Speaker 11>strictly behind the camera.

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<v Speaker 12>No one could see my face, just in my voice,

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<v Speaker 12>and it was great. Loved it.

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<v Speaker 9>I do always recognize your voice, lie Hi. I'm Monico

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<v Speaker 9>sar Abdi. I am a senior correspondent for Extra TV

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<v Speaker 9>and weekend co host, and I was covering this obviously

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<v Speaker 9>because I am an entertainment journalism, so a journalist, so

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<v Speaker 9>I was looking through an entertainment lens. But I'm also

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<v Speaker 9>a seasoned journalist who was at network news. I was

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<v Speaker 9>at ABC before Extra came up through local news. So

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<v Speaker 9>for me, hard news meets entertainment news is my bread

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<v Speaker 9>and butter.

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<v Speaker 14>This is where I excel to bring kind of just

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<v Speaker 14>the background.

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<v Speaker 9>Like Darla said, I covered wins Epstein, Luigi Mangioni so

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<v Speaker 9>many cases, Jonathan Major's as well, and to look at

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<v Speaker 9>entertainment news through a hard NewsLens.

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<v Speaker 14>It's not very often that they mix, even though more

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<v Speaker 14>so now.

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<v Speaker 9>But taking that and also I have a large following

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<v Speaker 9>online and bringing it to the audience was a very

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<v Speaker 9>interesting experience because we've talked about in this case, this

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<v Speaker 9>was the first time that we saw a lot of

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<v Speaker 9>creators and a lot of conversation happening online. So there's

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<v Speaker 9>no blueprint for covering it, both for legacy media channel

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<v Speaker 9>and also for an online platform, and so it was

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<v Speaker 9>interesting to see how audiences received it.

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<v Speaker 14>It was interesting to see what people were interested in.

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<v Speaker 9>I will say that this case, I believe a lot

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<v Speaker 9>of legacy media outlets thought they were going to cover

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<v Speaker 9>it for the first week and that was it. And

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<v Speaker 9>then they saw the interest online and they saw the numbers,

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<v Speaker 9>and they saw the young people were interested, old people

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<v Speaker 9>were interested everyone because of the impact that did He

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<v Speaker 9>had in entertainment and how he, you know, transhid in

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<v Speaker 9>generations and so it was interesting to see them kind

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<v Speaker 9>of course correct and really try to follow this case.

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<v Speaker 9>And I think we'll see this impact for many years

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<v Speaker 9>to come.

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<v Speaker 6>Turn it up. Turn you into a very large screen here, arman,

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<v Speaker 6>we can all see you.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, yeah, it's my turn. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 15>So hey guys, my name is Armand Wiggins. I am

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<v Speaker 15>a YouTuber content creator.

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 15>I had a great time covering the trial. I've covered

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<v Speaker 15>cases before. I've covered the Megan and Tory case, so

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<v Speaker 15>I like a lot of like hip hop culture news

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<v Speaker 15>and cases. So the did He trial just fell right

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<v Speaker 15>in line for me to cover it. I felt like

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<v Speaker 15>it was important for me as a content creator to

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<v Speaker 15>come get the story for my audience because while you know,

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<v Speaker 15>we love legacy media, I think there's something that there's

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<v Speaker 15>a trust that's built in when you when you're speaking

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<v Speaker 15>to your audience every single day, and I felt like

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<v Speaker 15>it was just my duty to be on the ground,

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<v Speaker 15>sleeping outside getting the news firsthand for my supporters. You know,

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<v Speaker 15>I would love to be there with you now, but

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<v Speaker 15>you know, my people literally in one hour, less than

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<v Speaker 15>an hour last night, came up with one thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 15>to fly me out to Miami to cover the Megan

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<v Speaker 15>thee Stallion versus Malagro Gram's case. So, I mean, people

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<v Speaker 15>have a real interest in that, and so you know,

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<v Speaker 15>I'm now my people They want to hear the news

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<v Speaker 15>and from me covering these cases. So I think now

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<v Speaker 15>like this is a new lane for me and I'm

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<v Speaker 15>really enjoying it. And it's hard work, but I mean

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<v Speaker 15>it pays off really well, and I'm excited to be

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<v Speaker 15>a part of, you know, such a great conglomerate.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you, Thank you to all of you guys again

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<v Speaker 6>for being here. My name is Jureka Duncan. I'm a

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<v Speaker 6>CBS News national correspondent and I have to say this

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<v Speaker 6>particular case for me was the first time that I

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<v Speaker 6>really leaned into social media my following group by almost

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<v Speaker 6>twenty thousand and followers, because I was posting every single

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<v Speaker 6>day about the nuances of this case at a time

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<v Speaker 6>when our network actually did not cover it the first day,

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<v Speaker 6>we covered it, the last day on evening news. We

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<v Speaker 6>did cover it in the morning. But when people ask me,

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<v Speaker 6>how were you able to do that? I had the

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<v Speaker 6>benefit of not having a deadline at five or six

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<v Speaker 6>like Darla did or Jay did. And what's so fascinating

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<v Speaker 6>with what they were able to do and why I'm

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<v Speaker 6>just a study of what we do as a business,

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<v Speaker 6>is they were literally doing their social media videos and

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<v Speaker 6>then they were getting ready for five o'clock or six

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<v Speaker 6>o'clock live shot. Sometimes I think I saw you doing

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<v Speaker 6>some stuff at ten or eleven at night or a

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<v Speaker 6>couple times. So, I mean, there's a lot that was

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<v Speaker 6>asked of us, and we can delve into that, and

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<v Speaker 6>of course you all will be able to ask questions.

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<v Speaker 6>But the first question that I want to post to

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<v Speaker 6>the panel, and you guys can feel free to jump in,

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<v Speaker 6>is when you went into this trial, you went into

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<v Speaker 6>it thinking what.

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<v Speaker 5>Well for me?

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<v Speaker 3>When I went into the trial, I went into it

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<v Speaker 3>this is crazy, Like, of all the places in the

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<v Speaker 3>ways that I've seen Diddy, to be with him in

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<v Speaker 3>court is like I couldn't even fathom.

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<v Speaker 5>What seeing him in court would be like.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, all of that because I've been working

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<v Speaker 3>in entertainment for some time and I was living in

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<v Speaker 3>LA for eight years. I was working at TMC with Salia,

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<v Speaker 3>so like you know, I've been in interaction and things

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<v Speaker 3>like that. I just remember the first day being at

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<v Speaker 3>courtroom and seeing him walk out. I was like, oh wow,

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<v Speaker 3>like he man, Nothing's ever going to be the same

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<v Speaker 3>for him. So for me, it was kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>that shock of like, this is really real. People's lives

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<v Speaker 3>have been really impacted and nothing will ever be the

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<v Speaker 3>same for him. After this first day of court that

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<v Speaker 3>we're sitting in.

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<v Speaker 10>I was fortunate enough, and that's what I'm gonna call

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<v Speaker 10>it to be reporting. When Diddy was on trial the

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<v Speaker 10>first time, I was working at New York one and

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<v Speaker 10>I was what twenty five, I twenty six years old,

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<v Speaker 10>and I remember that case, and at the start of

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<v Speaker 10>this trial, I knew things were going to be different

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<v Speaker 10>because that was a state case the first one. This

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<v Speaker 10>time it was a Rico and anyone who's familiar with

0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:15.560
<v Speaker 10>a Rico case knows that when the Feds come, they

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<v Speaker 10>come hard, you know, And the whole framework of a

0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:21.800
<v Speaker 10>Rico case is designed to take down the head of

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<v Speaker 10>an organization. It was designed to take down the mob,

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<v Speaker 10>and when they're successful, they not only put you in

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<v Speaker 10>prison for the rest of your life, but they take

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<v Speaker 10>all your assets. And so the stakes were extraordinarily high.

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<v Speaker 10>So I knew and you saw it the first time

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<v Speaker 10>that Colmbs came into the courtroom. He took it seriously

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<v Speaker 10>because he knew how serious it was, and to have

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<v Speaker 10>two rows of attorneys there. He was speaking with his wallet,

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<v Speaker 10>knowing that he had to beat this, and he did.

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<v Speaker 10>He beat the rico and not many people beat Arigo.

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<v Speaker 10>So I knew that going into this case, it was

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<v Speaker 10>going to be a huge deal. It was going to

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<v Speaker 10>be mainstream. It wasn't going to be something that was

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<v Speaker 10>just on, you know, in hip hop culture and just

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<v Speaker 10>entertainment news. This was going to be a hard news adventure,

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<v Speaker 10>and our station luckily made the commitment. I was grateful

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<v Speaker 10>to hear that they were going to cover a gavel

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<v Speaker 10>to gavel and I've covered several trials gavel to gavel,

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<v Speaker 10>and this one was extraordinary, not just because of the

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<v Speaker 10>national and international media that came, but because of all

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<v Speaker 10>of the content creators that I was just sitting next to,

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<v Speaker 10>and Drika, you talked about how, you know, we were

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<v Speaker 10>trying to you know, get up our game and do

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<v Speaker 10>our social stuff and then also have to do you know,

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<v Speaker 10>Darla as to do the noon. We don't have a noon,

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<v Speaker 10>but you know, we're doing the four, five, and six,

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<v Speaker 10>we're doing the morning show, and I'm trying to figure

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<v Speaker 10>out how am I supposed to do all of this

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<v Speaker 10>and still put together a piece, you know, for the

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<v Speaker 10>for the evening.

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<v Speaker 2>But we had to figure it out.

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<v Speaker 10>We have to figure it out because that is where

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<v Speaker 10>everything is going. So yeah, going into this trial, I

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<v Speaker 10>was ready for the.

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<v Speaker 2>Unknown and we got it.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay.

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<v Speaker 8>So a couple of things. So I was I was

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<v Speaker 8>not on the first trial. I think I was somewhere

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<v Speaker 8>in the South reporting, but I was, well, yeah, where

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<v Speaker 8>is that? But I was at his first arraignment, so

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<v Speaker 8>I caught the assignment when it was when he was arrested.

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<v Speaker 8>I think it was September seventeenth. He was arrested the

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<v Speaker 8>night before. Darling, you're going to be covering the the

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<v Speaker 8>US attorney's press conference, are going to be announcing the charges.

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<v Speaker 8>So I was there for some of the earlier court

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<v Speaker 8>appearances prior to the trial and the first when I

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<v Speaker 8>first got there, it was still like old hat because

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<v Speaker 8>it's just kind of a routine. The way I approached

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<v Speaker 8>my craft is very much the way my father, the scientist,

0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:00.720
<v Speaker 8>the coach taught me. It's kind of like as to

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<v Speaker 8>make sure I check all the boxes and not to

0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:07.760
<v Speaker 8>leave us stone unturned. But again, as my colleagues have stated,

0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:11.360
<v Speaker 8>you could kind of feel the natives getting restless and

0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:15.720
<v Speaker 8>the interests really simmering. And so I actually went knowing

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<v Speaker 8>like this is going to sound crazy, but I was

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<v Speaker 8>annoyed because I knew it was going to be crazy,

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<v Speaker 8>and you know, and so I'm like, I cover, I cover,

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<v Speaker 8>I'm in this courthouse all the time.

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<v Speaker 5>I cover this all the time.

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<v Speaker 8>But there is going to be an element of chaos

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<v Speaker 8>that I know is going to be untenable and that

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<v Speaker 8>I know it's going to be exhaustive trying to tame it.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know, I'm so I wasn't annoyed.

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<v Speaker 8>I just you know, you just know, it's almost like

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<v Speaker 8>cleaning out your garage, right, You're annoyed that you got

0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:52.399
<v Speaker 8>to clean it out, but you know you don't have

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<v Speaker 8>to do it, and you're going to be happy with

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<v Speaker 8>your sense of accomplishment after the fact, So that's a

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<v Speaker 8>way to kind of frame it. So I know it

0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:02.240
<v Speaker 8>was going to be crazy. What I did not know

0:22:03.000 --> 0:22:05.960
<v Speaker 8>is how exhausted it was going to be for such

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<v Speaker 8>a long period of time, for eight weeks, getting up

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<v Speaker 8>at four o'clock in the morning, committing to standing outside

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<v Speaker 8>in line to actually make it inside of the courtroom.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, the whole dynamic with that. So you know,

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<v Speaker 8>I was I didn't really have an issue with the content.

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<v Speaker 8>I didn't have an issue with, you know, having to

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<v Speaker 8>cover federal court because I've done it so many times.

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<v Speaker 8>But I just knew that there was going to be

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<v Speaker 8>an element of chaos that was going to be unexpected,

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<v Speaker 8>that was going to make it difficult, and that rained very,

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<v Speaker 8>very true.

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<v Speaker 5>But I think we all.

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<v Speaker 8>Grew for it, and I think we all I think

0:22:45.440 --> 0:22:48.960
<v Speaker 8>we're here because we all gained a respect for each

0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:53.359
<v Speaker 8>ingredient to this news ecosystem. So I think what we

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<v Speaker 8>realize it's not legacy versus YouTube versus social I mean,

0:22:57.760 --> 0:23:01.600
<v Speaker 8>it's like making, you know, a pie, and you have

0:23:01.680 --> 0:23:05.760
<v Speaker 8>little ingredients that feed that pie. So you know, I'm

0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:09.520
<v Speaker 8>never my colleague's enemy. We're all here for the greater

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<v Speaker 8>good to inform everybody. And for me, the last thing

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<v Speaker 8>I will say on this is that I'm really a

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<v Speaker 8>stickler for facts and information because it is just it's

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<v Speaker 8>like nails on the chalkboard when people don't understand the

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<v Speaker 8>legal nuances, because I think that's how it snowballs into

0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:32.280
<v Speaker 8>you know, individuals getting jammed up because they don't really

0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:34.919
<v Speaker 8>understand how the legal system works. So for me, I

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<v Speaker 8>wanted to make sure that you know, I was very

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<v Speaker 8>very technical about covering the case, and I left all

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<v Speaker 8>the social stuff to the social queens.

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<v Speaker 4>Can I jump in there or somebody going.

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<v Speaker 12>I'll be fast.

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<v Speaker 11>What I will say is when they when the office

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<v Speaker 11>reached out to me, I felt excited and I felt

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<v Speaker 11>like we gonna gie me. You know, I really wanted

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<v Speaker 11>to that. I really wanted to get it right. But

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<v Speaker 11>it was something you know, I had done a little

0:24:06.200 --> 0:24:08.679
<v Speaker 11>bit of Luigi, I'm trying to figure out the timeframe.

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<v Speaker 11>I had did some stuff sometimes going to the court,

0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:13.840
<v Speaker 11>but I was mainly like the girl who went to

0:24:13.880 --> 0:24:16.280
<v Speaker 11>all the morning shows and found talent and got.

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<v Speaker 12>A viral clip.

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<v Speaker 11>So this was really very much structured for me, and

0:24:21.119 --> 0:24:23.240
<v Speaker 11>I was just thinking to myself, how am I going

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<v Speaker 11>to do this?

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<v Speaker 12>Like how am I going to get up?

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<v Speaker 11>And I went to half earlier do what I normally

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<v Speaker 11>get up, and like, you know, I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 11>figure out what was expected of me and how I

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<v Speaker 11>was going to deliver. And I think the first day

0:24:41.720 --> 0:24:45.440
<v Speaker 11>it really proved to me that my job was so important.

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<v Speaker 11>There was an intern that I never met.

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<v Speaker 12>She was there. I was like, what the heck.

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<v Speaker 11>Then there's like this other person that they bought in

0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:55.000
<v Speaker 11>from another state to help us. And there were so

0:24:55.000 --> 0:24:56.760
<v Speaker 11>many people that I had to work with that I

0:24:56.760 --> 0:24:59.520
<v Speaker 11>had never met, and we had to figure out who

0:24:59.600 --> 0:25:03.240
<v Speaker 11>was going to what. And once we figured out, you know,

0:25:03.320 --> 0:25:07.240
<v Speaker 11>everyone set job on that first day, it was it

0:25:07.280 --> 0:25:08.000
<v Speaker 11>was like game.

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<v Speaker 12>You know.

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<v Speaker 11>I just remember also getting to the court at about

0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:18.320
<v Speaker 11>five am and there was no parking already and I'm like, okay,

0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:21.199
<v Speaker 11>I'm gonna have to be here at four thirty to

0:25:21.280 --> 0:25:24.480
<v Speaker 11>make sure I get a parking spot. Because the office,

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<v Speaker 11>I realized with this case, especially the first day, they

0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:31.200
<v Speaker 11>were expecting me to be superwoman, the one who.

0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:32.080
<v Speaker 12>Always figures it out.

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<v Speaker 11>And I was just thinking to myself, what if I

0:25:35.359 --> 0:25:38.239
<v Speaker 11>dropped the ball this time? What if I because it

0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:40.679
<v Speaker 11>was just so different, you know, and instead of me

0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:43.639
<v Speaker 11>knowing who's going to come out that door at like

0:25:43.680 --> 0:25:46.560
<v Speaker 11>say a Sherry Shepherd show, I didn't always know who

0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:49.160
<v Speaker 11>was going to come out the car. And then then

0:25:49.240 --> 0:25:51.879
<v Speaker 11>later on in the case, we had people like popping

0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:55.080
<v Speaker 11>up special guests, and then you had witnesses who didn't

0:25:55.119 --> 0:25:57.320
<v Speaker 11>look like witnesses. And it was just so many little

0:25:57.359 --> 0:25:59.560
<v Speaker 11>components that I didn't know I was going to have

0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:00.000
<v Speaker 11>to deal with.

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<v Speaker 12>But overall, I was excited and it was mayhem.

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<v Speaker 11>The first day when I tell you, everybody TikTok, everybody

0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:10.119
<v Speaker 11>you too, I said, what the heck? It was like

0:26:10.600 --> 0:26:16.480
<v Speaker 11>fifty something social media people screaming at themselves, screaming at

0:26:16.520 --> 0:26:17.680
<v Speaker 11>each other, screaming.

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<v Speaker 12>At you, talking to you.

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<v Speaker 4>It was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>It was.

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<v Speaker 11>I was inundated with noises, and but I felt proud

0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:28.720
<v Speaker 11>to be there, and I knew I wanted to really

0:26:28.760 --> 0:26:31.200
<v Speaker 11>show up and show out, if that makes sense.

0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:36.000
<v Speaker 4>And died, yeah, okay, and you met me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 15>So for me, I'm gonna be honest, it's a little selfish.

0:26:41.720 --> 0:26:43.840
<v Speaker 15>But you know, for one, I did want to go

0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:46.520
<v Speaker 15>because I had interest in the case, and I just

0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:49.679
<v Speaker 15>felt like, Wow, this is huge. But then too, personally,

0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:52.640
<v Speaker 15>i come from a place where I'm independent, and I've

0:26:52.680 --> 0:26:57.359
<v Speaker 15>always looked for, you know, a bigger platform to back me.

0:26:57.400 --> 0:26:59.520
<v Speaker 15>I've always wanted to be a part of a larger

0:26:59.560 --> 0:27:01.359
<v Speaker 15>come GLND. I've always wanted to be a part of

0:27:01.880 --> 0:27:04.399
<v Speaker 15>an iHeart or a major news station or a major

0:27:04.480 --> 0:27:05.399
<v Speaker 15>network to push me.

0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:07.520
<v Speaker 4>But it just seems like it never happened.

0:27:07.800 --> 0:27:10.680
<v Speaker 15>And so I told myself, listen, I'm gonna stop waiting

0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:13.800
<v Speaker 15>for people to give me opportunity and I'm just gonna

0:27:13.800 --> 0:27:16.880
<v Speaker 15>create my own opportunity. So for me, I said, I'm

0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:19.560
<v Speaker 15>not sitting around waiting for somebody to say, yeah, it's

0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:21.399
<v Speaker 15>okay for you to be a journalist. Oh yeah, it's

0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:23.560
<v Speaker 15>okay for you to go get the story. I said,

0:27:23.600 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 15>you know, once this case happens, I'm gonna be an icon.

0:27:26.920 --> 0:27:27.879
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to be a legend.

0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:29.600
<v Speaker 15>These people are gonna respect me, and I'm gonna get

0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:31.399
<v Speaker 15>out there and I'm going to create my own table

0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:33.359
<v Speaker 15>and I'm gonna do a damn good job at it.

0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:36.760
<v Speaker 15>So when the thing came, when the Cassie lawsuit first hit,

0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:39.480
<v Speaker 15>I told myself, Hey, I'm going to cover this case.

0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:41.959
<v Speaker 15>I started saving my money. In January, I took out

0:27:41.960 --> 0:27:44.840
<v Speaker 15>a loan for thirty thousand dollars, booked to Airbnb and

0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:48.440
<v Speaker 15>soho Manhattan. I said, I don't care who's there, what's happening.

0:27:48.600 --> 0:27:51.439
<v Speaker 15>We're covering this case as the armaud Wiggan Show, okay,

0:27:51.680 --> 0:27:53.320
<v Speaker 15>and we're gonna go out there and do the best

0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:55.720
<v Speaker 15>that we can. You know, And for me, I just

0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:58.320
<v Speaker 15>knew that I had to go out there because I

0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:00.840
<v Speaker 15>was up against so many different people. It is gonna

0:28:00.840 --> 0:28:02.680
<v Speaker 15>be so many different personalities. I didn't know how I

0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:05.399
<v Speaker 15>was gonna navigate. I didn't know about press passes, I

0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:08.520
<v Speaker 15>didn't know about line sitters. I just knew that I

0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:10.560
<v Speaker 15>had to had a duty to get the story from

0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:13.919
<v Speaker 15>my audience. And then two, as an independent, I was

0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:15.879
<v Speaker 15>going to create some space for me to put this

0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 15>story out and I was gonna make an impact there.

0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:20.399
<v Speaker 15>And I felt like I did that, and I feel

0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:23.679
<v Speaker 15>like the story was interesting. And watching Diddy and seeing

0:28:23.680 --> 0:28:26.440
<v Speaker 15>his kids and seeing the fact that that man had

0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:29.399
<v Speaker 15>to be humbled, it really taught me a personal lesson

0:28:29.440 --> 0:28:32.960
<v Speaker 15>about you know, don't ever get to besides yourself, don't

0:28:33.000 --> 0:28:36.199
<v Speaker 15>ever get to arrogant don't ever get to cocky because

0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:39.000
<v Speaker 15>the universe, God has a way of humbling you in

0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:42.200
<v Speaker 15>front of everybody. And that was a big takeaway for me.

0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:44.080
<v Speaker 15>So I just thought it was a learning lesson. It

0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:46.120
<v Speaker 15>taught me people skills, because child.

0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:47.760
<v Speaker 4>Let me tell you something. I had got into it

0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:50.000
<v Speaker 4>with a lot of people that first first. That that

0:28:50.200 --> 0:28:54.040
<v Speaker 4>first okay, but you know, I was navigating a lot.

0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:56.280
<v Speaker 15>But I felt like I came out of that so

0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:59.360
<v Speaker 15>much better, so much stronger. And then I've gotten some

0:28:59.440 --> 0:29:01.680
<v Speaker 15>of the oppisodes, one of the greatest opportunities I've been

0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:04.920
<v Speaker 15>on television shows, radio. I finally got my chest shot

0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:07.560
<v Speaker 15>at radio, I got my shot on the news, and yeah,

0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:09.360
<v Speaker 15>a lot of great things have came from it, and

0:29:09.400 --> 0:29:11.200
<v Speaker 15>I've learned a lot and I met some great people.

0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:12.680
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, it was dope for me.

0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:16.959
<v Speaker 14>For me, I would say. So I covered the arraignment

0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:17.560
<v Speaker 14>before that.

0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:20.680
<v Speaker 9>Once the lawsuit dropped, I usually break things down on

0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:22.520
<v Speaker 9>my TikTok anyway, So I broke that down and I

0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:26.880
<v Speaker 9>could see the interests and also the need to break

0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:30.960
<v Speaker 9>down these complex legal procedures and terms and what's happening

0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:33.920
<v Speaker 9>and do it in layman's terms, right, So I did that,

0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:35.640
<v Speaker 9>and then I covered the arraignment, and.

0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:36.640
<v Speaker 14>What was shocking to me.

0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:42.479
<v Speaker 9>Was the transformation that did he made from the arraignment

0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:44.080
<v Speaker 9>where he was in a black T shirt. He was

0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:46.600
<v Speaker 9>kind of a little, you know, a little buff. He

0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:49.000
<v Speaker 9>was the person that we saw full head of black hair.

0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:51.920
<v Speaker 9>And then the first day when we saw him come

0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:55.720
<v Speaker 9>out in a crew next sweater with a collared shirt,

0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:57.239
<v Speaker 9>full head of gray hair. This was the first time

0:29:57.240 --> 0:30:00.000
<v Speaker 9>I saw him in a really long time in my mind,

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:02.520
<v Speaker 9>and I'm like, this was the guy who was the

0:30:02.640 --> 0:30:05.040
<v Speaker 9>king of New York right like you grew up seeing

0:30:05.080 --> 0:30:05.640
<v Speaker 9>him on TV.

0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:08.360
<v Speaker 14>He was celebrated for being a shrewd business.

0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:11.640
<v Speaker 9>Man and everything, the bad behavior, the making people walk

0:30:11.680 --> 0:30:15.280
<v Speaker 9>for cheesecake, all the things that he was doing and

0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:18.200
<v Speaker 9>was celebrated for in the two thousands with reality show.

0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:20.040
<v Speaker 9>On Reality show, I want to work for Diddy, making

0:30:20.120 --> 0:30:24.160
<v Speaker 9>the band, mistreating people. He is now in this courtroom

0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:27.080
<v Speaker 9>in the middle of Manhattan, and I for a while

0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:29.520
<v Speaker 9>was just trying to process all of that.

0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:32.960
<v Speaker 14>And then I will say that day, I.

0:30:32.960 --> 0:30:35.640
<v Speaker 9>Think it was two days later, maybe when Cassie first testified.

0:30:36.440 --> 0:30:39.280
<v Speaker 9>I again broke it down on my TikTok I think

0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:43.440
<v Speaker 9>what was really difficult to try to figure out as

0:30:43.480 --> 0:30:46.080
<v Speaker 9>well was the fact that you have no cell phone,

0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:49.520
<v Speaker 9>no electronic devices, you have a pen and paper, but

0:30:49.720 --> 0:30:51.840
<v Speaker 9>you still have to communicate with your producers. You still

0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:54.400
<v Speaker 9>have to communicate with the people who are back at

0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:58.000
<v Speaker 9>the office and who do not understand sometimes how all

0:30:58.040 --> 0:30:59.880
<v Speaker 9>of this works, and they think like, Okay, just go

0:31:00.200 --> 0:31:02.720
<v Speaker 9>come back and make your hit and it'll be fine,

0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:06.880
<v Speaker 9>and trying to, you know, deal with what they were

0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:10.000
<v Speaker 9>looking for and try to meet those expectations. And then

0:31:10.240 --> 0:31:13.120
<v Speaker 9>at the end of Cassie's first day testifying, I went

0:31:13.240 --> 0:31:15.520
<v Speaker 9>back and kind of like armand you kind of just

0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:18.560
<v Speaker 9>have to do things that you're not being asked to do, right,

0:31:18.600 --> 0:31:19.960
<v Speaker 9>you carve out your own lane. So I was like,

0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:22.000
<v Speaker 9>you know what, I'm sure people will find this interesting.

0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:24.200
<v Speaker 9>So I went through my notes and I broke it down,

0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:29.440
<v Speaker 9>and I think that video did twenty million views. That's

0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:32.840
<v Speaker 9>how many people from around the world were just trying

0:31:32.880 --> 0:31:37.080
<v Speaker 9>to and I think, if you're shit, and then I

0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:39.880
<v Speaker 9>like shut my phone off and it was like, girl,

0:31:39.920 --> 0:31:41.240
<v Speaker 9>I don't know why you went to sleep, like I

0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:43.440
<v Speaker 9>need part two. And so then I realized the demand

0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:45.920
<v Speaker 9>and at one point, I was making three to four

0:31:46.040 --> 0:31:46.680
<v Speaker 9>videos a day.

0:31:46.720 --> 0:31:47.320
<v Speaker 14>I would go in.

0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:50.520
<v Speaker 9>Cover, sit through the trial the entire day, do my

0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:54.160
<v Speaker 9>hits between lunchtime, come out, do any updates. Then I

0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:56.480
<v Speaker 9>would go home and do three to four videos a day.

0:31:56.520 --> 0:31:58.520
<v Speaker 9>And it went on for like eight weeks.

0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:00.360
<v Speaker 14>It was a lot. I was burned down by the

0:32:00.480 --> 0:32:02.720
<v Speaker 14>end of it, but I did see the need.

0:32:02.600 --> 0:32:06.000
<v Speaker 9>To meet the audience where they're at. People are interested

0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:08.240
<v Speaker 9>in this, and they're not going to always look for

0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:08.880
<v Speaker 9>your report.

0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:10.720
<v Speaker 14>They're not going to always come to you.

0:32:11.440 --> 0:32:15.040
<v Speaker 9>And I think this is a valuable discussion as the

0:32:15.080 --> 0:32:20.080
<v Speaker 9>industry evolves, as media changes, how can we bring people information?

0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:22.560
<v Speaker 14>How can we also adapt so that we don't go

0:32:22.680 --> 0:32:25.600
<v Speaker 14>extinct because things are looking good sometimes.

0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:29.640
<v Speaker 6>So I want to ask you, guys Rapid Fire, if

0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:32.680
<v Speaker 6>you could answer in like twenty seconds, and I'll ask

0:32:32.720 --> 0:32:35.000
<v Speaker 6>each of you a different question. Lauren, I'll start with you,

0:32:35.680 --> 0:32:39.160
<v Speaker 6>as you're reporting and telling the story, what's the number

0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:40.840
<v Speaker 6>one thing you're taking into consideration.

0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:45.720
<v Speaker 3>As I was reporting and telling the story, the number

0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:48.200
<v Speaker 3>one thing I was taking into consideration is that any

0:32:48.240 --> 0:32:50.920
<v Speaker 3>other outlet is focused on one thing and it's always

0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:52.640
<v Speaker 3>like the big thing, like they want to go for like,

0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:56.160
<v Speaker 3>what is sensational? What is like you know, because there's

0:32:56.160 --> 0:32:59.800
<v Speaker 3>a lot to cover. So I was like, I'm gonna

0:32:59.800 --> 0:33:03.240
<v Speaker 3>tell you everything. If he's sweating, if he coughs, if

0:33:03.280 --> 0:33:06.360
<v Speaker 3>he like I just wanted to be that Like, so

0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:09.520
<v Speaker 3>you have the tmzs and the Rolling Stones, and you

0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:12.440
<v Speaker 3>know everybody's sitting here that had their dot coms. I

0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:13.920
<v Speaker 3>don't have a dot com. I just had my Instagram

0:33:13.960 --> 0:33:16.680
<v Speaker 3>at the breakfast club. So on my Instagram, my main

0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:19.800
<v Speaker 3>focus was let me tell you guys every single detail.

0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:21.320
<v Speaker 3>So you felt like you were literally like I was

0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:24.040
<v Speaker 3>vlogging the case basically, but that was my focus. And

0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:26.760
<v Speaker 3>I felt like the more I did that because I

0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:28.680
<v Speaker 3>did it the first day in the video ent viral

0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:30.239
<v Speaker 3>and I never experienced that. So I was like, if

0:33:30.280 --> 0:33:33.000
<v Speaker 3>I do this a lot, people will come here after

0:33:33.040 --> 0:33:35.320
<v Speaker 3>they talk to everybody because I'll have things that people

0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:38.040
<v Speaker 3>may not get a chance to talk about.

0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:42.479
<v Speaker 6>Jay, so much was seen and heard in that trial,

0:33:42.600 --> 0:33:46.520
<v Speaker 6>how were you able to process that? And I know personally,

0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:49.880
<v Speaker 6>when the jurors were looking at those sex videos, there

0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:51.680
<v Speaker 6>was a moment in the beginning where we could hear

0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:56.240
<v Speaker 6>certain sounds, but there were graphic details of combsists and

0:33:56.640 --> 0:34:02.360
<v Speaker 6>Cassie and people's sex lives, pictures of escorts. How do

0:34:02.400 --> 0:34:04.520
<v Speaker 6>you process something like that, even though again, I know

0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:07.840
<v Speaker 6>you've been covering colms for a while and covering the

0:34:07.880 --> 0:34:10.520
<v Speaker 6>streets to New York City, but it was a lot.

0:34:10.600 --> 0:34:15.360
<v Speaker 2>It was a lot. And you know, unlike unlike Lauren,

0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:18.879
<v Speaker 2>unlike Armand, you know, where they can say what they want.

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<v Speaker 10>I mean, I was cracking up watching some of Armand's episodes, right,

0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:27.879
<v Speaker 10>I mean, hilarious, man.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, we have the FCC to worry about.

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<v Speaker 10>So yeah, I mean, there was so much graphic material

0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:38.040
<v Speaker 10>and we had to figure out a way to kind

0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:41.440
<v Speaker 10>of filter it in a way that it did not

0:34:41.600 --> 0:34:44.360
<v Speaker 10>lose its impact. But at the same time, we stayed

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<v Speaker 10>within the guardrails of traditional broadcast news. We work for

0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:53.239
<v Speaker 10>a network, and content creators have evolved to become their

0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:57.080
<v Speaker 10>own network, and so yeah, there were some considerations that

0:34:57.120 --> 0:34:57.600
<v Speaker 10>we had to make.

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<v Speaker 6>Carla, what did you learn most from covering this trial?

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<v Speaker 8>You know, one of the biggest lessons came from Salaia Me. Yes,

0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:12.760
<v Speaker 8>and I will tell this story over and over again

0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:14.600
<v Speaker 8>because you.

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<v Speaker 5>Know, like you said, it was exhausting.

0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:21.239
<v Speaker 8>Getting up early, having to log all of this information

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<v Speaker 8>by hand.

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<v Speaker 5>And for me, I don't have a.

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<v Speaker 8>Producer, so I have multiple hits a day and I'm

0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:30.600
<v Speaker 8>creating graphics and I'm like, oh, there's a BlackBerry, so

0:35:30.680 --> 0:35:32.160
<v Speaker 8>let me make sure I have a graphic that has

0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:34.640
<v Speaker 8>a BlackBerry, and let me make sure I can make

0:35:34.760 --> 0:35:38.680
<v Speaker 8>this case that has no pictures and no video as

0:35:40.400 --> 0:35:43.080
<v Speaker 8>you know, as demonstrative as I possibly can. And so

0:35:43.360 --> 0:35:45.839
<v Speaker 8>I'm I really got into the details. And so the

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<v Speaker 8>next week Seleia was like, Celia, sorry, I always get

0:35:49.200 --> 0:35:51.440
<v Speaker 8>there wrong. She was like, did you go did you

0:35:51.520 --> 0:35:54.279
<v Speaker 8>do a social media I was like, I'm tired, I

0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:54.840
<v Speaker 8>cannot do.

0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:56.920
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, I just can't. I'm old, I'm tired.

0:35:57.160 --> 0:35:58.920
<v Speaker 8>She goes, no, this is what you have to do.

0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:01.880
<v Speaker 8>So she literally walk me through how to do a

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:06.080
<v Speaker 8>TikTok in like seven minutes on the steps of the courthouse,

0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:09.160
<v Speaker 8>and you know, she was like, no, this is how

0:36:09.239 --> 0:36:12.200
<v Speaker 8>you record click click, and you can do the double

0:36:12.280 --> 0:36:14.359
<v Speaker 8>I'm like, oh, you know, and go to cap cut

0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:16.960
<v Speaker 8>and use this. And so I tell that story all

0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:20.520
<v Speaker 8>the time that I literally learned how to social media

0:36:21.080 --> 0:36:25.000
<v Speaker 8>from the queen next to me in this trial because

0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:27.840
<v Speaker 8>and just such a healthy respect.

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<v Speaker 12>So yeah, that was your girl, you got it. So

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<v Speaker 12>Celia described trial day, Oh my god, well.

0:36:40.520 --> 0:36:48.759
<v Speaker 11>Intense and intense and also just like getting a lot

0:36:48.760 --> 0:36:53.000
<v Speaker 11>of demands from the office because one thing, I kind

0:36:53.000 --> 0:36:56.080
<v Speaker 11>of I didn't start it. I definitely didn't start it,

0:36:56.120 --> 0:36:59.720
<v Speaker 11>but I think I've done it a lot. I realized

0:36:59.719 --> 0:37:02.520
<v Speaker 11>that they didn't say it, but they wanted viral.

0:37:02.880 --> 0:37:03.600
<v Speaker 12>But that makes sense.

0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:06.560
<v Speaker 11>They didn't say that, but they wanted that, and they

0:37:06.560 --> 0:37:08.320
<v Speaker 11>didn't say go get something viral.

0:37:08.360 --> 0:37:11.640
<v Speaker 12>It was like, get what you can get. I'm like, okay,

0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:12.000
<v Speaker 12>you know.

0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:15.480
<v Speaker 11>So it was really intense, but I think, like Lauren said,

0:37:15.520 --> 0:37:18.279
<v Speaker 11>it was really important for us to get content that

0:37:18.320 --> 0:37:21.560
<v Speaker 11>other people weren't going to get. And every day it

0:37:21.600 --> 0:37:24.040
<v Speaker 11>was struggle to kind of be super creative and not

0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:28.200
<v Speaker 11>be redundant. So specifically on trial day, one of the

0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:31.319
<v Speaker 11>images that I got normally I would cover the front

0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:34.360
<v Speaker 11>of the courthouse, and that one day, one of the

0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:36.719
<v Speaker 11>head producers said, Celia, go to the pack. I need

0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:39.840
<v Speaker 11>you to get the prosecutors and whoever else.

0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:40.200
<v Speaker 12>You can get.

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<v Speaker 11>And I don't know, I was just standing there and

0:37:42.160 --> 0:37:45.200
<v Speaker 11>someone just walks by and he had a backpack on

0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:48.759
<v Speaker 11>I'm like, he looks like the judge filmed him, and

0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:52.000
<v Speaker 11>then they were like, Celia, that was the judge and

0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:53.719
<v Speaker 11>that went viral and they were like.

0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:56.800
<v Speaker 12>Hey, we need more of this every day.

0:37:57.480 --> 0:38:00.759
<v Speaker 11>So it kind of I feel like I felt that

0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:04.960
<v Speaker 11>pressure to repeat that every single day and to create

0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:08.920
<v Speaker 11>fireroom moments every day, and I think we started to

0:38:09.040 --> 0:38:11.720
<v Speaker 11>become the lead of all the people that were outside

0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:15.960
<v Speaker 11>getting outside content on what was important. And it was

0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:18.279
<v Speaker 11>nerve wracking because every day it was like trying to

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:20.960
<v Speaker 11>beat and top what you got that first day. And

0:38:20.960 --> 0:38:24.000
<v Speaker 11>we got that like seven am in the morning, so

0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:28.000
<v Speaker 11>then it was like, okay, at noon, make sure you

0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:31.640
<v Speaker 11>guys get this. So it was constant struggle to top

0:38:32.400 --> 0:38:34.080
<v Speaker 11>each clip to go viral.

0:38:34.800 --> 0:38:38.160
<v Speaker 6>To Darlas point, I remember watching where you were going

0:38:38.200 --> 0:38:40.440
<v Speaker 6>when there were the rumors about Kanye. I said, I'm

0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:43.640
<v Speaker 6>following Celia, Selia gonna know where Kanye is at.

0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:47.839
<v Speaker 11>Oh wait, really quickly, I just did a video on that. Yeah,

0:38:47.840 --> 0:38:51.239
<v Speaker 11>I just did a video on that on my Instagram

0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:54.520
<v Speaker 11>and ten seconds vet every tip.

0:38:54.719 --> 0:38:57.920
<v Speaker 12>If you are a journalist, some random.

0:38:57.520 --> 0:38:59.359
<v Speaker 11>Kid that's like twenty years old, he's out there covering

0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:01.600
<v Speaker 11>the case he kept me saying Kanye was gonna come.

0:39:01.920 --> 0:39:04.400
<v Speaker 11>Everybody's like he's crazy. And I made a phone call

0:39:04.480 --> 0:39:06.319
<v Speaker 11>and confirmed that Kanye was in New York City and

0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:08.680
<v Speaker 11>the rest is history. And the next day and no

0:39:08.719 --> 0:39:10.200
<v Speaker 11>one believed me, and the next day he came to

0:39:10.239 --> 0:39:10.560
<v Speaker 11>the court.

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<v Speaker 6>I believe you, Mona. In terms of the sentencing day,

0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:19.680
<v Speaker 6>if you can describe the mood, because I feel like

0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:24.640
<v Speaker 6>it's tense and for me, everything that we learned was

0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:29.000
<v Speaker 6>coming to ahead. In terms of people also asking predict

0:39:29.080 --> 0:39:30.560
<v Speaker 6>what do you think how much time do you think

0:39:30.640 --> 0:39:32.719
<v Speaker 6>is going to get? It's like, we're not attorneys, but

0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:34.759
<v Speaker 6>it was the moment where you knew he could get

0:39:34.760 --> 0:39:37.640
<v Speaker 6>as much as twenty or he could get you know,

0:39:37.760 --> 0:39:40.560
<v Speaker 6>something a lot lower, which he obviously did. But just

0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:44.000
<v Speaker 6>describe the atmosphere inside and sort of outside the courtroom.

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<v Speaker 14>Yeah, I'll start with verdict day.

0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:50.840
<v Speaker 9>I mean, it was something that inside the courtroom for

0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:52.840
<v Speaker 9>Team Diddy was celebratory.

0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:55.600
<v Speaker 14>They beat the Feds, and then that messaging kind.

0:39:55.400 --> 0:39:58.200
<v Speaker 9>Of permeated through to the public where everyone was like,

0:39:58.200 --> 0:39:59.960
<v Speaker 9>oh my god, he beat the Feds, he beat the cave.

0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:03.040
<v Speaker 9>But that wasn't the case. Obviously, he was still found

0:40:03.040 --> 0:40:06.200
<v Speaker 9>guilty on two counts. But I feel like there was

0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:09.719
<v Speaker 9>this idea of you know, this was a hit for

0:40:09.800 --> 0:40:12.719
<v Speaker 9>the me too movement, and you know, he's not going

0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:16.000
<v Speaker 9>to be held accountable. But then as different motions were

0:40:16.040 --> 0:40:18.520
<v Speaker 9>happening for there was like about two three month gap,

0:40:18.600 --> 0:40:22.239
<v Speaker 9>right it, guys can for two months right between the yeah,

0:40:22.680 --> 0:40:25.160
<v Speaker 9>between the verdict and the sentencing, and there are different

0:40:25.200 --> 0:40:29.440
<v Speaker 9>motions and you realize that the judge, particularly when he

0:40:29.480 --> 0:40:33.160
<v Speaker 9>did not let him walk out on veil after the verdict,

0:40:33.800 --> 0:40:35.640
<v Speaker 9>you could tell that the judge was going to hold

0:40:35.719 --> 0:40:37.920
<v Speaker 9>him accountable. But what that looked like he could get

0:40:37.960 --> 0:40:41.080
<v Speaker 9>anywhere up to twenty years, But he also was never

0:40:41.280 --> 0:40:43.680
<v Speaker 9>he wasn't a previously convicted of a felony, right, he

0:40:43.680 --> 0:40:48.120
<v Speaker 9>had no record. The day of the verdict, again there

0:40:48.280 --> 0:40:50.560
<v Speaker 9>was that okay, is the judge going to throw the

0:40:50.600 --> 0:40:52.360
<v Speaker 9>book at him? Is he going to make an example

0:40:52.400 --> 0:40:55.040
<v Speaker 9>out of him? And then the judge went on this

0:40:55.280 --> 0:40:59.920
<v Speaker 9>long speech after I mean, I would explain this as

0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:03.120
<v Speaker 9>you know, both sides described a completely different didty. You

0:41:03.239 --> 0:41:07.200
<v Speaker 9>had the prosecutor saying that this man still needs to

0:41:07.239 --> 0:41:09.680
<v Speaker 9>be held accountable even though he wasn't found guilty for

0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:12.200
<v Speaker 9>what he did to Cassie, what he did to Jane.

0:41:12.200 --> 0:41:16.000
<v Speaker 9>He still exhibited violent behavior, he still used all of

0:41:16.000 --> 0:41:20.480
<v Speaker 9>his resources to control these women. And then the defense

0:41:20.640 --> 0:41:23.280
<v Speaker 9>was making it seem like, oh, no, he was a john,

0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:26.359
<v Speaker 9>he was just engaging in prostitution services. He wasn't even

0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:29.640
<v Speaker 9>running the prostitution services, right, And then came in the

0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:34.080
<v Speaker 9>judge who basically said that Cassie and Jane were so

0:41:34.640 --> 0:41:37.040
<v Speaker 9>brave for sharing their story, and this is a man

0:41:37.040 --> 0:41:39.479
<v Speaker 9>who's gotten away with a lot for a very long

0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:42.760
<v Speaker 9>time and is a violent person, has a history.

0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:43.560
<v Speaker 14>Of being violent.

0:41:43.960 --> 0:41:47.280
<v Speaker 9>And then when he read his sentence of fifty months,

0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:50.440
<v Speaker 9>I feel like you could see the air.

0:41:50.280 --> 0:41:51.280
<v Speaker 14>Being sucked out of ditty.

0:41:51.840 --> 0:41:54.200
<v Speaker 9>Before that, his kids we heard from them for the

0:41:54.239 --> 0:41:58.080
<v Speaker 9>first time where his girls gave this powerful plea to

0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:01.520
<v Speaker 9>the judge where they were saying that this is their father.

0:42:01.640 --> 0:42:04.520
<v Speaker 9>They already lost their mother. And I will say I

0:42:04.560 --> 0:42:07.359
<v Speaker 9>started getting emotional. These are two young three young girls

0:42:07.360 --> 0:42:10.840
<v Speaker 9>who are eighteen and nineteen years old, and for the

0:42:11.120 --> 0:42:13.320
<v Speaker 9>comes twins, we know that they lost their mother a kimporter,

0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:15.640
<v Speaker 9>and to say that again they were going to lose

0:42:15.680 --> 0:42:18.920
<v Speaker 9>their father. They already he already missed graduation and prom

0:42:19.360 --> 0:42:21.120
<v Speaker 9>So I will say for me, I kind of didn't

0:42:21.200 --> 0:42:23.360
<v Speaker 9>know exactly which way it was going to go because

0:42:23.400 --> 0:42:25.480
<v Speaker 9>it all rest on if the judge was going to

0:42:25.480 --> 0:42:28.040
<v Speaker 9>make an example out of him or if what his

0:42:28.160 --> 0:42:30.160
<v Speaker 9>children said really did affect the judge.

0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:32.640
<v Speaker 14>But I think he kind of fell somewhere in the middle.

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<v Speaker 6>I would say for me, Armand there are times I think, yes,

0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:43.759
<v Speaker 6>I'm ready. There are times as journalists, as producers I

0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:46.040
<v Speaker 6>would imagine as a content creator where you feel like

0:42:46.120 --> 0:42:49.800
<v Speaker 6>you grew up because we don't cover these types of

0:42:49.840 --> 0:42:53.920
<v Speaker 6>stories every day. Do you think this trial did that

0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:57.560
<v Speaker 6>for you? And how are you a different person as

0:42:57.600 --> 0:42:59.240
<v Speaker 6>a result of covering this case?

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<v Speaker 15>Yeah, I definitely feel like I grew up, and I

0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:05.399
<v Speaker 15>feel like I have the stamina to do a lot

0:43:05.480 --> 0:43:07.880
<v Speaker 15>more and I feel like, you know, the stretch that

0:43:07.960 --> 0:43:09.280
<v Speaker 15>I was looking for I got.

0:43:09.640 --> 0:43:10.040
<v Speaker 4>I got.

0:43:10.120 --> 0:43:14.799
<v Speaker 15>I felt more inspired, and I realized where my superpower

0:43:14.960 --> 0:43:17.920
<v Speaker 15>lies within this space and I and it makes me

0:43:18.040 --> 0:43:21.920
<v Speaker 15>appreciate everybody in media because.

0:43:21.680 --> 0:43:25.000
<v Speaker 4>For me, specifically our storytelling.

0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:28.160
<v Speaker 15>You know, I think for me, like the way that

0:43:28.200 --> 0:43:31.000
<v Speaker 15>I did this case, like you would see everybody going

0:43:31.040 --> 0:43:33.480
<v Speaker 15>out going live in front of the courthouse or outside

0:43:33.520 --> 0:43:36.640
<v Speaker 15>the courthouse during every break. I didn't do that or

0:43:37.120 --> 0:43:39.560
<v Speaker 15>people would you know, you guys had your hits and

0:43:39.600 --> 0:43:42.080
<v Speaker 15>stuff like that. For me, I would wait till the

0:43:42.160 --> 0:43:44.520
<v Speaker 15>end of the night because I know that, you know,

0:43:44.840 --> 0:43:47.800
<v Speaker 15>once traditional media gets the story out, everybody time everyone

0:43:47.800 --> 0:43:51.799
<v Speaker 15>gets to me, everybody knows what happened. I'm not there

0:43:51.800 --> 0:43:55.160
<v Speaker 15>to report to you play by play, like what happened

0:43:55.200 --> 0:43:58.080
<v Speaker 15>and have it all buttoned up. I'm here now here's

0:43:58.440 --> 0:44:01.480
<v Speaker 15>we all know what happened. Sit and let's talk about

0:44:01.520 --> 0:44:05.640
<v Speaker 15>it from a more raw, unfiltered lens and like I'm

0:44:05.680 --> 0:44:08.000
<v Speaker 15>going to give you the nuances kind of like Laura

0:44:08.080 --> 0:44:10.040
<v Speaker 15>la Rossa was saying, like what did he look like?

0:44:10.160 --> 0:44:12.480
<v Speaker 4>What was the hair? What did the outfit give?

0:44:12.560 --> 0:44:12.640
<v Speaker 16>Like?

0:44:12.719 --> 0:44:13.760
<v Speaker 4>What was the posture?

0:44:14.040 --> 0:44:17.040
<v Speaker 15>You know, And let's really have the conversations that once

0:44:17.080 --> 0:44:19.640
<v Speaker 15>we read the article, once we see what they say

0:44:19.680 --> 0:44:22.440
<v Speaker 15>on the news, what are we sitting around the table

0:44:22.760 --> 0:44:25.920
<v Speaker 15>and how are we discussing what we've actually consumed or

0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:28.040
<v Speaker 15>what we watched or what we read. And I felt

0:44:28.040 --> 0:44:30.400
<v Speaker 15>like for me, I found my spot where I was

0:44:30.480 --> 0:44:34.360
<v Speaker 15>like I don't have to be this buttoned up version

0:44:34.440 --> 0:44:37.359
<v Speaker 15>of like what a reporter supposed to be, because there's

0:44:37.360 --> 0:44:39.400
<v Speaker 15>a space for that person to sit back and be like,

0:44:39.400 --> 0:44:42.239
<v Speaker 15>all right, now this is now, we know what's going on.

0:44:42.320 --> 0:44:43.680
<v Speaker 4>Now let's really get into it.

0:44:43.719 --> 0:44:46.160
<v Speaker 15>And you know, this case, for me, a lot of

0:44:46.160 --> 0:44:48.719
<v Speaker 15>people kind of they had mixed feelings about how I

0:44:48.800 --> 0:44:50.959
<v Speaker 15>was reporting it, but I felt like it was such

0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:55.839
<v Speaker 15>a dark and kind of like sexual case that at

0:44:55.880 --> 0:44:58.520
<v Speaker 15>some point like we had to kind of make light

0:44:58.560 --> 0:45:00.680
<v Speaker 15>of it just a little bit because all of the stuff,

0:45:01.000 --> 0:45:03.520
<v Speaker 15>even though it was kind of creepy, it was funny,

0:45:03.800 --> 0:45:05.759
<v Speaker 15>you know what I mean, in an interesting way.

0:45:05.800 --> 0:45:08.560
<v Speaker 4>And so I thought that, you know, for the people back.

0:45:08.440 --> 0:45:11.480
<v Speaker 15>At home, you know, sitting in court every day, it's

0:45:11.520 --> 0:45:13.799
<v Speaker 15>not the funnest thing, you know, and reading a bunch

0:45:13.800 --> 0:45:15.920
<v Speaker 15>of paperwork, a bunch of words on the paper on

0:45:16.280 --> 0:45:19.239
<v Speaker 15>your screen, that's boring. So my thing was I didn't

0:45:19.280 --> 0:45:21.640
<v Speaker 15>want people to feel like they were sitting in court

0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:22.319
<v Speaker 15>again with me.

0:45:22.960 --> 0:45:25.400
<v Speaker 4>So the idea was, all right, I'm gonna sit.

0:45:25.280 --> 0:45:28.360
<v Speaker 15>In court, y'all read the news or y'all read your articles,

0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:30.200
<v Speaker 15>and then when we come back, we're gonna have fun

0:45:30.239 --> 0:45:32.160
<v Speaker 15>with this story, and I'm gonna tell you the little

0:45:32.160 --> 0:45:35.000
<v Speaker 15>things that I noticed that I seen or you know,

0:45:35.200 --> 0:45:37.040
<v Speaker 15>things that may I feel like other people may have

0:45:37.200 --> 0:45:40.360
<v Speaker 15>left out. And so I think that I think that

0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:42.480
<v Speaker 15>I grew a lot, and I think that I gained

0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:45.360
<v Speaker 15>a lot of confidence to where, you know now, I'm

0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:49.640
<v Speaker 15>not intimidated to say, yeah, I cover trials in the past.

0:45:49.680 --> 0:45:51.799
<v Speaker 15>I will be well, I'm not a reporter. I don't

0:45:51.840 --> 0:45:53.759
<v Speaker 15>have a journalism degree. I don't think i'm no. I

0:45:53.800 --> 0:45:55.920
<v Speaker 15>think I'm good enough and I think I can do it,

0:45:55.920 --> 0:45:57.799
<v Speaker 15>and I think I know my lane and I feel

0:45:57.840 --> 0:46:00.560
<v Speaker 15>like I've grown, and you know, the the biggest thing

0:46:00.560 --> 0:46:03.120
<v Speaker 15>for me was the fact that my parents were proud

0:46:03.160 --> 0:46:05.360
<v Speaker 15>of me, you know, and people were inspired by me,

0:46:05.520 --> 0:46:07.839
<v Speaker 15>and you know, not to toot my own horn, but

0:46:07.920 --> 0:46:10.280
<v Speaker 15>I feel like, you know, once they saw me up there,

0:46:10.719 --> 0:46:12.359
<v Speaker 15>and a lot of people saw me there, we were

0:46:12.360 --> 0:46:15.560
<v Speaker 15>getting those numbers and we were going viral everybody, and

0:46:15.600 --> 0:46:18.720
<v Speaker 15>they mama flew out with an iPhone and started doing

0:46:18.840 --> 0:46:21.840
<v Speaker 15>YouTube videos and tiktoks like it's no shade. So I

0:46:21.840 --> 0:46:24.840
<v Speaker 15>feel like we've inspired a community of creators, and you know,

0:46:25.280 --> 0:46:26.160
<v Speaker 15>I think that was great.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

0:46:36.880 --> 0:46:39.200
<v Speaker 6>I want to open it up now to Q and

0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:42.319
<v Speaker 6>A if you guys had any questions and I'll come

0:46:42.320 --> 0:46:43.000
<v Speaker 6>out to you.

0:46:49.880 --> 0:46:50.879
<v Speaker 12>And tell us who you are.

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<v Speaker 16>Okay, Hi everyone, my name is Asia Alexander.

0:46:54.640 --> 0:46:55.600
<v Speaker 1>This is really inspiring.

0:46:55.600 --> 0:46:57.799
<v Speaker 16>Great panel, by the way, But I was wondering if

0:46:57.800 --> 0:47:00.640
<v Speaker 16>you guys ever had any like death threats or like

0:47:00.960 --> 0:47:04.400
<v Speaker 16>anything come to you guys while covering this case, because

0:47:04.400 --> 0:47:05.879
<v Speaker 16>I know that could be a real big thing when

0:47:05.880 --> 0:47:07.800
<v Speaker 16>you're talking about like mafia's.

0:47:07.320 --> 0:47:08.520
<v Speaker 6>And all that kind of stuff.

0:47:08.920 --> 0:47:10.160
<v Speaker 4>Oh, well, I can jump in there.

0:47:10.560 --> 0:47:12.600
<v Speaker 15>I'll just say for me, I don't know if it's

0:47:12.680 --> 0:47:15.200
<v Speaker 15>necessarily well, I did get some death threats. Well, there

0:47:15.239 --> 0:47:17.880
<v Speaker 15>was a woman who attacked me outside the courthouse.

0:47:18.239 --> 0:47:18.680
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

0:47:18.840 --> 0:47:22.880
<v Speaker 15>She came and started attacking me out of nowhere for Diddy.

0:47:23.200 --> 0:47:27.040
<v Speaker 15>She was harassing me, following me. Everybody was telling me

0:47:27.080 --> 0:47:29.640
<v Speaker 15>to go inside. It was just really really weird. And

0:47:29.680 --> 0:47:31.400
<v Speaker 15>this is the thing about the cases too, because it

0:47:31.400 --> 0:47:33.239
<v Speaker 15>made me feel a little bit uncomfortable about going to

0:47:33.280 --> 0:47:36.319
<v Speaker 15>cases because it's such a public place. You do have

0:47:36.440 --> 0:47:40.000
<v Speaker 15>to watch when you have visibility, people will try to

0:47:41.080 --> 0:47:42.160
<v Speaker 15>get cloud off of you.

0:47:42.239 --> 0:47:43.320
<v Speaker 4>It's really really weird.

0:47:43.400 --> 0:47:45.680
<v Speaker 15>So they have people that are looking for moments, and

0:47:45.719 --> 0:47:49.040
<v Speaker 15>then they have people that are just kind of crazed fans,

0:47:49.239 --> 0:47:52.280
<v Speaker 15>So you always have to protect yourself out there because

0:47:52.680 --> 0:47:56.360
<v Speaker 15>people really will get over stimulated and try to attack you.

0:47:56.440 --> 0:47:59.719
<v Speaker 15>I mean I've been I was harassed, Lauren was harassed.

0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:01.360
<v Speaker 15>It was crazy out there.

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<v Speaker 12>Yes, I go, are you gonna tell?

0:48:05.200 --> 0:48:05.319
<v Speaker 6>Well?

0:48:05.320 --> 0:48:06.720
<v Speaker 12>I was gonna just I mean really quickly.

0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:12.080
<v Speaker 11>People actually came down to the court to see people. Yeah,

0:48:12.280 --> 0:48:13.759
<v Speaker 11>Like people came to visit Lauren.

0:48:13.800 --> 0:48:16.520
<v Speaker 12>People came to visit on my and I was surprised.

0:48:16.520 --> 0:48:19.560
<v Speaker 11>People would say, hey, you're that girl from TMZ right,

0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:22.719
<v Speaker 11>and I'm like, and I couldn't say no because my

0:48:22.800 --> 0:48:24.920
<v Speaker 11>phone had a big TMZ on the back of it.

0:48:25.000 --> 0:48:28.640
<v Speaker 11>But people, and honestly, even people who I didn't have

0:48:28.680 --> 0:48:31.440
<v Speaker 11>communication with in years, came to visit me at the court,

0:48:31.640 --> 0:48:33.160
<v Speaker 11>and I don't really know how I felt about that.

0:48:33.200 --> 0:48:35.640
<v Speaker 11>So that's the one thing I didn't love about the

0:48:35.640 --> 0:48:40.640
<v Speaker 11>court was having people show up just to like see

0:48:40.840 --> 0:48:41.719
<v Speaker 11>what's going on.

0:48:41.680 --> 0:48:42.800
<v Speaker 12>And what the hype was about.

0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:45.080
<v Speaker 11>Even though the police were there, I didn't feel like

0:48:45.080 --> 0:48:47.080
<v Speaker 11>they were going to help them help people jump or

0:48:47.120 --> 0:48:49.120
<v Speaker 11>get off me if if somebody did jump on me,

0:48:49.200 --> 0:48:50.000
<v Speaker 11>so whatever.

0:48:50.040 --> 0:48:52.960
<v Speaker 8>But yeah, I will say I did speak to a

0:48:53.000 --> 0:48:57.280
<v Speaker 8>content creator who had been threatened. They threatened sexual violence

0:48:57.320 --> 0:49:02.560
<v Speaker 8>against her and physical violence. And one thing I told her,

0:49:02.600 --> 0:49:05.800
<v Speaker 8>I said, this is New York City. You go report

0:49:05.840 --> 0:49:08.960
<v Speaker 8>that to the NYPD. You keep track of that. So

0:49:09.040 --> 0:49:11.399
<v Speaker 8>I was happy to be that voice. And I would

0:49:11.440 --> 0:49:15.920
<v Speaker 8>tell anyone in this room listening, if you are threatened,

0:49:17.120 --> 0:49:21.799
<v Speaker 8>don't brush it off, report it immediately. Just don't play

0:49:21.920 --> 0:49:24.440
<v Speaker 8>like that. And that was the advice I gave this

0:49:24.480 --> 0:49:27.640
<v Speaker 8>particular content creator who thought, well, I don't want to

0:49:27.680 --> 0:49:29.239
<v Speaker 8>be extra, I don't want to be too much. And

0:49:29.280 --> 0:49:31.839
<v Speaker 8>I was like, absolutely not. That is nothing to play

0:49:31.880 --> 0:49:33.560
<v Speaker 8>around with. So that did happen?

0:49:36.040 --> 0:49:37.160
<v Speaker 5>Did Hi?

0:49:37.200 --> 0:49:37.520
<v Speaker 6>You guys?

0:49:37.600 --> 0:49:38.400
<v Speaker 5>My name is Chelsea.

0:49:38.600 --> 0:49:40.560
<v Speaker 17>I am and while you graduate student, this is my

0:49:40.640 --> 0:49:46.960
<v Speaker 17>professor right here. I am also a freelance production coordinator

0:49:47.120 --> 0:49:50.440
<v Speaker 17>and social video manager for one of the public affair

0:49:50.480 --> 0:49:53.279
<v Speaker 17>sials at ABC seven. And the question that I have

0:49:53.680 --> 0:49:56.120
<v Speaker 17>is what did this teach you about the algorithm or

0:49:56.120 --> 0:49:58.560
<v Speaker 17>how people engage with your content. I hear a lot

0:49:58.920 --> 0:50:02.759
<v Speaker 17>the way you report things on TikTok is different than Instagram.

0:50:02.800 --> 0:50:04.960
<v Speaker 5>So there's one thing that it taught you.

0:50:05.280 --> 0:50:06.120
<v Speaker 12>What would it be?

0:50:06.719 --> 0:50:09.480
<v Speaker 3>I think it taught me that that whole it's saturated

0:50:09.520 --> 0:50:12.440
<v Speaker 3>conversation doesn't matter when you get at what you do

0:50:13.080 --> 0:50:17.000
<v Speaker 3>because the first day, from like the jewelry selection to

0:50:17.040 --> 0:50:19.560
<v Speaker 3>the first day of trial to the last day, the

0:50:19.680 --> 0:50:22.960
<v Speaker 3>number of content creators and people they're covering it grew.

0:50:23.280 --> 0:50:25.239
<v Speaker 3>Some days it was like kind of chill when certain

0:50:25.239 --> 0:50:28.200
<v Speaker 3>things weren't going on. But we literally in real time

0:50:28.400 --> 0:50:31.759
<v Speaker 3>watch the world realize, oh, we're not gonna get this

0:50:31.800 --> 0:50:34.440
<v Speaker 3>from just our regular outlets. We need to be everywhere,

0:50:34.440 --> 0:50:36.799
<v Speaker 3>so we need to be on the legacy media, on

0:50:36.880 --> 0:50:39.239
<v Speaker 3>social all these things. So it's very saturate. Like it

0:50:39.280 --> 0:50:42.520
<v Speaker 3>got to a point where outside of the courtroom you

0:50:42.600 --> 0:50:45.520
<v Speaker 3>wouldn't even kind of want to record anything because people

0:50:45.560 --> 0:50:48.560
<v Speaker 3>are recording you recorded. There's just so much going on.

0:50:49.280 --> 0:50:53.480
<v Speaker 3>But my numbers never stopped growing, like at all. People

0:50:53.560 --> 0:50:56.880
<v Speaker 3>still found me and still found what they wanted to

0:50:56.920 --> 0:50:59.640
<v Speaker 3>get from me. Like my numbers grew insanely, and yes,

0:50:59.640 --> 0:51:01.560
<v Speaker 3>saw all. So, I mean, I'd already kind of knew

0:51:01.600 --> 0:51:04.640
<v Speaker 3>that different platforms are for different things, but I think

0:51:04.680 --> 0:51:05.719
<v Speaker 3>that the Diddy.

0:51:05.560 --> 0:51:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Trial really.

0:51:08.160 --> 0:51:10.960
<v Speaker 3>It just really taught me just I guess, like the

0:51:11.000 --> 0:51:14.560
<v Speaker 3>importance of social media. Like I knew that when I

0:51:14.640 --> 0:51:17.479
<v Speaker 3>left TMZ, I told myself that there was no one

0:51:17.640 --> 0:51:21.200
<v Speaker 3>on social media who was actually vetting certain things but

0:51:21.280 --> 0:51:24.000
<v Speaker 3>also able to kind of like be out get with

0:51:24.040 --> 0:51:27.359
<v Speaker 3>certain things, understand what's happening culturally, really be outside right

0:51:27.840 --> 0:51:30.360
<v Speaker 3>and know what's happening, like not be disconnected from the

0:51:30.400 --> 0:51:32.879
<v Speaker 3>world and people and things. So I was like, that's it,

0:51:32.920 --> 0:51:34.960
<v Speaker 3>Like that's me naturally, I'm going to lean into that.

0:51:35.360 --> 0:51:37.799
<v Speaker 3>But during the Diddy trial, I think that was the

0:51:37.800 --> 0:51:39.840
<v Speaker 3>first time ever in my life and in my career

0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:42.799
<v Speaker 3>where it was and it wasn't about an outlet, Like

0:51:42.920 --> 0:51:45.680
<v Speaker 3>people were listening to me because they wanted to hear

0:51:45.800 --> 0:51:47.520
<v Speaker 3>me and hear certain things. And I think the same

0:51:47.520 --> 0:51:50.280
<v Speaker 3>thing happened for everybody, even if you were with the outlet.

0:51:50.480 --> 0:51:52.160
<v Speaker 14>People were looking for certain people.

0:51:52.239 --> 0:51:55.000
<v Speaker 3>So it just made me realize, like I mean, people say, oh,

0:51:55.000 --> 0:51:57.160
<v Speaker 3>social media is so saturated and this and that, and

0:51:57.200 --> 0:51:58.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, you can go at what you do and

0:51:58.880 --> 0:52:01.480
<v Speaker 3>you cutting through that's what you doing, Like none of

0:52:01.480 --> 0:52:02.040
<v Speaker 3>that matters.

0:52:02.080 --> 0:52:04.319
<v Speaker 1>People will come and find what they need.

0:52:04.880 --> 0:52:06.160
<v Speaker 5>To chime in on that.

0:52:06.400 --> 0:52:09.800
<v Speaker 8>I think it taught that the algorithms really don't matter really,

0:52:10.160 --> 0:52:13.160
<v Speaker 8>just like Lauren and everyone else has said. For example,

0:52:13.280 --> 0:52:16.440
<v Speaker 8>I had no idea what I was doing when Seleia

0:52:16.560 --> 0:52:20.160
<v Speaker 8>taught me. But I know that some of the shorts

0:52:20.200 --> 0:52:24.000
<v Speaker 8>that I did based on your tutelage, they were like

0:52:24.120 --> 0:52:30.240
<v Speaker 8>part of the YouTube top five shorts globally based on whatever.

0:52:30.400 --> 0:52:34.080
<v Speaker 8>So it just taught me it doesn't really matter. Good

0:52:34.080 --> 0:52:37.040
<v Speaker 8>content is good content, and people when they can't get

0:52:37.160 --> 0:52:41.240
<v Speaker 8>enough of something, they're going to The algorithm just doesn't

0:52:41.239 --> 0:52:43.480
<v Speaker 8>really make that much of a difference.

0:52:44.680 --> 0:52:44.960
<v Speaker 5>To add.

0:52:45.080 --> 0:52:47.759
<v Speaker 4>It's it's about giving value. That's it.

0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:50.560
<v Speaker 15>Like I'd never worried about the algorithm one time. I

0:52:50.680 --> 0:52:53.880
<v Speaker 15>never chased it. Like I was saying before, everybody was

0:52:53.920 --> 0:52:56.239
<v Speaker 15>going live and getting hundreds of thousands of views during

0:52:56.280 --> 0:52:58.799
<v Speaker 15>the day. I literally went live once a day at

0:52:58.880 --> 0:53:02.200
<v Speaker 15>six sometimes nine clock at night, and I didn't I

0:53:02.320 --> 0:53:06.000
<v Speaker 15>gained hundreds of thousands of followers, and my numbers were

0:53:06.120 --> 0:53:09.800
<v Speaker 15>always up, like we had twenty thousand and thirty thousand people,

0:53:09.840 --> 0:53:13.120
<v Speaker 15>like every single day. It didn't matter what happened throughout

0:53:13.120 --> 0:53:15.480
<v Speaker 15>the day. So I would wait everybody. I would meet

0:53:15.520 --> 0:53:17.319
<v Speaker 15>me and Lauren and Silly. We would go to eat

0:53:17.440 --> 0:53:21.320
<v Speaker 15>chicken and we would go baste. I was not running

0:53:21.360 --> 0:53:23.000
<v Speaker 15>out of the court like there were some people.

0:53:23.200 --> 0:53:23.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm not gonna lie.

0:53:24.040 --> 0:53:25.600
<v Speaker 15>There were people that were running out of the courtroom

0:53:25.640 --> 0:53:27.359
<v Speaker 15>trying to be as soon as something would be said,

0:53:27.400 --> 0:53:28.880
<v Speaker 15>they would run out of the corporroom to try to

0:53:28.880 --> 0:53:29.280
<v Speaker 15>be first.

0:53:29.480 --> 0:53:31.719
<v Speaker 4>I never got flustered with that because I.

0:53:31.760 --> 0:53:34.280
<v Speaker 15>Knew what I knew and knew where my power landed,

0:53:34.520 --> 0:53:36.440
<v Speaker 15>and I knew that I was gonna be able to deliver.

0:53:36.600 --> 0:53:39.439
<v Speaker 15>I don't chase the algorithms because that's when you don't

0:53:39.440 --> 0:53:42.200
<v Speaker 15>get that double meaning of that algorithm, or you don't

0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:44.960
<v Speaker 15>get that initial hit that you've maybe gotten it once before.

0:53:45.160 --> 0:53:46.840
<v Speaker 15>If you don't get it again, you don't feel like

0:53:46.880 --> 0:53:49.439
<v Speaker 15>you're good enough. And so for me, I just get

0:53:49.480 --> 0:53:51.120
<v Speaker 15>on camera. I'm gonna do my thing.

0:53:52.320 --> 0:53:53.399
<v Speaker 12>Can I say one thing too.

0:53:54.160 --> 0:53:55.920
<v Speaker 3>I come from TMZ and I was there for eight

0:53:56.000 --> 0:53:58.680
<v Speaker 3>years when I started, as I was on the tour bus.

0:53:58.719 --> 0:54:00.400
<v Speaker 1>When I left, I was seeing news producer.

0:54:00.480 --> 0:54:00.640
<v Speaker 5>Right.

0:54:01.239 --> 0:54:03.600
<v Speaker 3>So when you have been in a newsroom like that,

0:54:03.719 --> 0:54:05.960
<v Speaker 3>you are literally trained to go like you are a sniper.

0:54:07.239 --> 0:54:10.080
<v Speaker 3>I swear like I don't know nothing but to be

0:54:10.200 --> 0:54:13.640
<v Speaker 3>first and to live brief, starve or you don't eat period.

0:54:13.760 --> 0:54:16.520
<v Speaker 3>Literally they will fire you. That has been my life

0:54:16.520 --> 0:54:18.120
<v Speaker 3>for eight years. And then I come to breakfast club

0:54:18.120 --> 0:54:21.000
<v Speaker 3>and things still are there, but it changes because your

0:54:21.080 --> 0:54:24.440
<v Speaker 3>person now and also everybody hangs on your word. I

0:54:24.480 --> 0:54:27.600
<v Speaker 3>had a hard lesson just trying to learn you don't

0:54:27.640 --> 0:54:29.680
<v Speaker 3>have to be first backing off of what our mama

0:54:29.719 --> 0:54:32.719
<v Speaker 3>was saying. Right with the Diddy trial in the beginning,

0:54:32.880 --> 0:54:35.720
<v Speaker 3>I was always so worried about that. Toward the middle

0:54:35.760 --> 0:54:38.000
<v Speaker 3>of it, when I started realizing, like, no people are

0:54:38.000 --> 0:54:40.880
<v Speaker 3>really paying attention, I was like, I actually want to

0:54:40.880 --> 0:54:42.719
<v Speaker 3>have something to say, Like I don't want to just

0:54:42.960 --> 0:54:44.000
<v Speaker 3>tell you guys what's happening.

0:54:44.000 --> 0:54:44.680
<v Speaker 12>I'm going to do.

0:54:44.680 --> 0:54:47.160
<v Speaker 3>That, but like, I also think you're here too, because

0:54:47.160 --> 0:54:50.719
<v Speaker 3>it's like culturally, you want to kind of understand where

0:54:50.760 --> 0:54:53.359
<v Speaker 3>my mind is like as a person, and I really

0:54:53.400 --> 0:54:55.319
<v Speaker 3>want to process what I just heard, so there'd be

0:54:55.360 --> 0:54:57.680
<v Speaker 3>some nice where Like my podcast is supposed to be

0:54:57.719 --> 0:55:00.000
<v Speaker 3>live at six, I might not even do a pot

0:55:00.080 --> 0:55:02.920
<v Speaker 3>guest episode that day. I would wait and literally tell

0:55:02.960 --> 0:55:04.399
<v Speaker 3>my audience show. I didn't really know how I felt

0:55:04.400 --> 0:55:06.600
<v Speaker 3>when I left court today, and that was such a

0:55:07.120 --> 0:55:09.239
<v Speaker 3>eye changing moment for me as a journalist, because I

0:55:09.239 --> 0:55:11.759
<v Speaker 3>think because things move so fast, and especially in a

0:55:11.800 --> 0:55:13.399
<v Speaker 3>lot of newsrooms, I mean, you do have to be

0:55:13.640 --> 0:55:15.920
<v Speaker 3>first and finance on a lot of things. But man,

0:55:15.920 --> 0:55:17.920
<v Speaker 3>it's so important today to have something to say for

0:55:17.960 --> 0:55:20.919
<v Speaker 3>real outside of just being factual, because there's so much

0:55:20.960 --> 0:55:23.200
<v Speaker 3>stuff that is just like what are you talking about.

0:55:23.560 --> 0:55:26.080
<v Speaker 3>I didn't really understand the power of that until this

0:55:26.200 --> 0:55:28.040
<v Speaker 3>trial also and being.

0:55:28.000 --> 0:55:30.160
<v Speaker 14>Right, yeah, no exactly.

0:55:30.239 --> 0:55:34.160
<v Speaker 9>So from my experience, I would say that I use

0:55:34.239 --> 0:55:37.000
<v Speaker 9>the skills that I acquired from legacy media, like my

0:55:37.040 --> 0:55:40.720
<v Speaker 9>twelve year career, about using a hook, framing the story

0:55:40.760 --> 0:55:43.680
<v Speaker 9>so that people can digest it, giving the details that matter,

0:55:43.800 --> 0:55:46.480
<v Speaker 9>not giving every single detail, but like what is this

0:55:46.520 --> 0:55:48.279
<v Speaker 9>adding to the story? And so I kind of framed

0:55:48.280 --> 0:55:51.360
<v Speaker 9>all my tiktoks like that. But then I've been on

0:55:51.400 --> 0:55:53.480
<v Speaker 9>TikTok for a few years now and so I know,

0:55:54.320 --> 0:55:55.240
<v Speaker 9>cut out the braths.

0:55:55.600 --> 0:55:56.960
<v Speaker 14>Don't start by.

0:55:56.840 --> 0:56:00.160
<v Speaker 9>Saying okay, guys today, we got no like really at

0:56:00.160 --> 0:56:02.520
<v Speaker 9>them with the hook. And so mixing those two I

0:56:02.560 --> 0:56:06.120
<v Speaker 9>realized that it would just trigger the algorithm. And then

0:56:06.160 --> 0:56:10.279
<v Speaker 9>the people want to hear because you're concise, you're giving

0:56:10.320 --> 0:56:12.880
<v Speaker 9>the facts. You're giving them details that they didn't have

0:56:13.080 --> 0:56:15.600
<v Speaker 9>in court, you know, was he rubbing his hands? They

0:56:15.640 --> 0:56:18.080
<v Speaker 9>wanted to know, was what were the jurors doing. Were

0:56:18.080 --> 0:56:21.360
<v Speaker 9>they laughing, were they smiling, were they crying? And giving

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<v Speaker 9>those details.

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<v Speaker 14>I feel like was.

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<v Speaker 9>The advantage the fact that we were in the courtroom,

0:56:26.920 --> 0:56:28.839
<v Speaker 9>that we were there and they were there every day,

0:56:28.880 --> 0:56:30.239
<v Speaker 9>and that you could be reliable.

0:56:30.280 --> 0:56:33.040
<v Speaker 14>Also the consistency. You knew that every night I was

0:56:33.040 --> 0:56:33.279
<v Speaker 14>going to.

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<v Speaker 9>Give you at least three to four videos, and if

0:56:35.640 --> 0:56:37.880
<v Speaker 9>I didn't immediately in the morning I would as well.

0:56:38.239 --> 0:56:41.960
<v Speaker 9>I think where some of the other reporters struggled, like

0:56:42.000 --> 0:56:45.920
<v Speaker 9>if you were with CBS, NBC, ABC, is that it

0:56:46.000 --> 0:56:49.799
<v Speaker 9>was such a hard shift to now like okay, well

0:56:50.000 --> 0:56:52.960
<v Speaker 9>now you guys need to go make TikTok videos And

0:56:53.000 --> 0:56:56.160
<v Speaker 9>it was just like okay, and they're fixing their camera

0:56:56.440 --> 0:57:00.560
<v Speaker 9>and starting the sentence with like okay and many words

0:57:00.680 --> 0:57:02.680
<v Speaker 9>too many brass like we gotta we gotta jump right

0:57:02.719 --> 0:57:06.960
<v Speaker 9>to it. And so I could see how you know,

0:57:07.160 --> 0:57:09.360
<v Speaker 9>it's a powerful tool and how it can be utilized,

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<v Speaker 9>but also the skills that you learn for storytelling and

0:57:13.520 --> 0:57:16.960
<v Speaker 9>being factually accurate and structuring the story in a way

0:57:17.000 --> 0:57:19.520
<v Speaker 9>that people can understand it and why should you care?

0:57:19.720 --> 0:57:19.880
<v Speaker 5>Right?

0:57:19.960 --> 0:57:22.920
<v Speaker 9>The why of it all is important, and that's things

0:57:22.960 --> 0:57:25.400
<v Speaker 9>that you know, whether you're reporting on the five o'clock

0:57:25.440 --> 0:57:29.840
<v Speaker 9>news or you're sharing a TikTok. Don't change and they're transferable.

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<v Speaker 11>Skills really really quickly ten seconds. I think social media wise,

0:57:34.760 --> 0:57:41.720
<v Speaker 11>TMD dominated because we constantly stay true to TMZ. We

0:57:41.760 --> 0:57:45.280
<v Speaker 11>didn't try to switch up because we're covering case. No,

0:57:45.400 --> 0:57:47.920
<v Speaker 11>it was we're gonna get you walking in, We're gonna

0:57:48.000 --> 0:57:50.960
<v Speaker 11>chase you down the block. And literally when the lawyers

0:57:50.960 --> 0:57:53.400
<v Speaker 11>would come out, people would laugh at me. At first,

0:57:53.480 --> 0:57:55.560
<v Speaker 11>I would go, I would be walking backwards. What do

0:57:55.560 --> 0:57:59.280
<v Speaker 11>you think happened? Either, they didn't say anything. People wanted

0:57:59.760 --> 0:58:02.760
<v Speaker 11>that footage and when teens would post it, it would go crazy.

0:58:02.960 --> 0:58:05.040
<v Speaker 11>So we stay true to the brand. I'm going to

0:58:05.120 --> 0:58:07.560
<v Speaker 11>chase you down because that's what I do, and it

0:58:07.640 --> 0:58:10.880
<v Speaker 11>worked out for us. We never shifted from that. As

0:58:10.920 --> 0:58:16.200
<v Speaker 11>far as street coverage, eh oh, I.

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<v Speaker 10>Just wanted to add something and then, you know what,

0:58:18.520 --> 0:58:19.280
<v Speaker 10>let's hear your question.

0:58:19.280 --> 0:58:20.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to take time away from you.

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<v Speaker 18>So hi everyone. My name is Crystal and I'm a producer.

0:58:25.880 --> 0:58:28.720
<v Speaker 18>I'm currently working in documentary. First, I want to say

0:58:28.760 --> 0:58:32.120
<v Speaker 18>I love that you were collaborative with Darla and supporting

0:58:32.120 --> 0:58:34.880
<v Speaker 18>each other in the field, but also as a producer,

0:58:35.080 --> 0:58:37.400
<v Speaker 18>something you said kind of raised the red flag for me.

0:58:37.960 --> 0:58:41.200
<v Speaker 18>So I did a documentary series in Dallas where I

0:58:41.320 --> 0:58:45.720
<v Speaker 18>filmed with a judge, and you filming a judge in

0:58:45.840 --> 0:58:49.400
<v Speaker 18>turning a building. It raises ethical concerns for me because

0:58:49.440 --> 0:58:52.720
<v Speaker 18>the judge I filmed within Dallas, they have a separate

0:58:52.960 --> 0:58:56.280
<v Speaker 18>insurance for a reason. And as the young woman asked

0:58:56.320 --> 0:58:59.600
<v Speaker 18>the question about your security, as Lauren is saying, you

0:58:59.680 --> 0:59:02.520
<v Speaker 18>gotta first, right, this is one of the reasons why

0:59:02.520 --> 0:59:06.000
<v Speaker 18>I transitioned out of local news into longer form storytelling.

0:59:06.480 --> 0:59:10.360
<v Speaker 18>I'm like, where is the ethical concern or pause about

0:59:10.880 --> 0:59:14.760
<v Speaker 18>this judge's safety as everyone is rushing to be first,

0:59:15.240 --> 0:59:17.800
<v Speaker 18>rushing to hurry up and get it on there. As

0:59:17.880 --> 0:59:20.440
<v Speaker 18>a producer, I'm concerned because I don't hear that moment

0:59:20.480 --> 0:59:23.880
<v Speaker 18>for pause and reflection because everyone is just like, we

0:59:23.920 --> 0:59:26.920
<v Speaker 18>gotta go. So I wonder if you guys can speak

0:59:26.960 --> 0:59:29.760
<v Speaker 18>to how you handle that. Okay, I just need to just.

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<v Speaker 8>Set the record straight, just on one thing that this

0:59:34.840 --> 0:59:39.080
<v Speaker 8>is a sticking point for me. It's not just local news, right,

0:59:39.400 --> 0:59:42.200
<v Speaker 8>So I know some people move away. I'm very passionate

0:59:42.240 --> 0:59:44.480
<v Speaker 8>about the fact that I've been in local news for

0:59:44.520 --> 0:59:48.600
<v Speaker 8>twenty years, and I always try to dispel myths about

0:59:48.760 --> 0:59:51.080
<v Speaker 8>what it is we do and how we do things.

0:59:51.080 --> 0:59:54.240
<v Speaker 8>And you're absolutely right, there has to be a moment.

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<v Speaker 8>But in that it's a personal thing. So I don't

0:59:57.920 --> 1:00:00.560
<v Speaker 8>want you to just say it's local news news or

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<v Speaker 8>it's TikTok or whatever it's it's a reflection of that person.

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<v Speaker 8>So I always have to, like, you know, throw a

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<v Speaker 8>little flag on the play when someone says, oh, I

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<v Speaker 8>don't like local news for that, because I think you're

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<v Speaker 8>just painting a broad brush for an industry when it's

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<v Speaker 8>still about that individual journalist.

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<v Speaker 5>I just had to just jump in and say that, really.

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<v Speaker 11>Quous, Well, I do want to speak to it, so

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<v Speaker 11>I'm not gonna lie like, of course the company I

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<v Speaker 11>work for. Of course, sometimes people we've had a history,

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<v Speaker 11>you know, but I cannot speak for them because I will.

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<v Speaker 12>Never do that. But overall there has been a history.

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<v Speaker 12>I'll leave it at that.

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<v Speaker 11>What I will say is when I did shoot that clip,

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<v Speaker 11>I wasn't sure how it was going to be received.

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<v Speaker 11>But I also am not the person who approves those

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<v Speaker 11>things either, so I sent it in like hmm, okay,

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<v Speaker 11>let's see if they wanted, they'll use it.

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<v Speaker 4>If not.

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<v Speaker 14>Did I feel a little bit worried about.

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<v Speaker 11>It, Yes, but I also kind of felt like, Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 11>what's done is done. The next day, we continue to

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<v Speaker 11>shoot the entire prosecutor judge, everyone coming in.

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<v Speaker 12>What we did not do was we did.

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<v Speaker 11>Not, of course shoot people who were hidden witnesses or

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<v Speaker 11>try to find those witnesses. We also did not publicly

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<v Speaker 11>say the names of witnesses that we probably didn't know

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<v Speaker 11>who they were. And I stand by that. I feel

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<v Speaker 11>like we did a great job. I feel like I

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<v Speaker 11>did a great job. I do see where it does

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<v Speaker 11>raise some ethically, maybe some immoral, but I feel like

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<v Speaker 11>overall we set the tone for the way the rest

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<v Speaker 11>of the child was going to go. I feel like

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<v Speaker 11>everyone started to follow suit and started to try to

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<v Speaker 11>create content that was off the wall.

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<v Speaker 3>I also think there were already profiles on the judge

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<v Speaker 3>as well too, Like so coming from TMZ and now

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<v Speaker 3>being in a space where I have to make those

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<v Speaker 3>same decisions because if not, I'm under fire. Right, it

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<v Speaker 3>is a personal thing. That's number one will also say too,

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<v Speaker 3>It's just that there's a job to do and how

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<v Speaker 3>you do it, So there weren't profiles on the judge

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<v Speaker 3>like I knew when I researched, and I read about

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<v Speaker 3>this judge prior too, because I was trying to figure

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<v Speaker 3>out what the case would be like, and the judge

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<v Speaker 3>is important. When Selia grabbed that shot, TMC is not

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<v Speaker 3>known for humanizing a lot of people and a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of things right like no shade to them. I was there, cool,

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<v Speaker 3>she can't say it.

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<v Speaker 5>I will.

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<v Speaker 3>But at the same time, that clip in that photo

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<v Speaker 3>she got, he was wearing a backpack, he was listening

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<v Speaker 3>to music. The conversation went from this is the judge,

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<v Speaker 3>will he throw Diddy in jail for the rest of

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<v Speaker 3>his life? To this judge is a person, he listens

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<v Speaker 3>to music, he's young. It's set a different conversation, and

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<v Speaker 3>I get what you're you're saying, but I think a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of times in this people have to also have

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<v Speaker 3>a conversation about There are certain stories that if Celia

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't do the story, someone's going to do it. And

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<v Speaker 3>the way she goes about it is something to say, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean and again it is above her being in

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<v Speaker 3>the newsroom. I remember she would get clips and it

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<v Speaker 3>would send it, and a lot of times we would

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<v Speaker 3>look at things when I was there and I would say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I know that this is coming from Sali.

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<v Speaker 6>I know her.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a black woman as well, so I know her heart.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't care about that, and a lot of times

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<v Speaker 3>you don't have leadership that does. She's not in control

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<v Speaker 3>of that. But at the same time, there are those

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<v Speaker 3>moments where when you put those things out, it does

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like the opposite of what you're saying. And

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<v Speaker 3>that was that moment for that judge. I remember the

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<v Speaker 3>shot that she's talking about, and it's just it's an

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<v Speaker 3>internal battle. I think if you choose a step away

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<v Speaker 3>from it, I don't fall anybody because I chose to

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<v Speaker 3>step away from a platform because I wanted to figure

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<v Speaker 3>out was there a balance of sanity I can have.

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<v Speaker 3>But at the same time, I do think that there

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<v Speaker 3>are times where I'm like, man, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>have to, but how can I bring my person into it?

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<v Speaker 3>And that's the beauty the platform I'm at now, So

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's about personal platform choice too.

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<v Speaker 12>But lastly, I have.

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<v Speaker 11>I was told this, I have the most published clips

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<v Speaker 11>out of any field producer ever at TMZ.

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<v Speaker 12>Let's put that on the table, right. I have been.

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<v Speaker 11>Able to constantly talk to people who have never talked

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<v Speaker 11>to TMZ. Halle Berry, jay Z two weeks ago, people

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<v Speaker 11>who would run from us come to us now. Jada

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<v Speaker 11>Pinkett never talked to TMZ. I've been able to break

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<v Speaker 11>down those barriers because I am a human being first,

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<v Speaker 11>and even down with the diddy ks, I had phone

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<v Speaker 11>calls from some people who I cannot mention, who are

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<v Speaker 11>linked to the family, that said they love you and

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<v Speaker 11>they love watching your clips because you are so nice

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<v Speaker 11>to them. So I stand by that stuff because it's real.

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<v Speaker 11>People wouldn't say that if it wasn't real, and the

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<v Speaker 11>numbers don't lie. And jay Z talking to me twice.

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<v Speaker 11>The first time they didn't publish it. The second time,

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<v Speaker 11>he said, Sis, I don't want to have to embarrass

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<v Speaker 11>you today. I don't got a story for you, but

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<v Speaker 11>I'm proud of you. This is my story, and I

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<v Speaker 11>stand by everything that I shoot.

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<v Speaker 10>Yes, I think I'm glad that I didn't say what

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<v Speaker 10>I had to say a few minutes ago, and I'm

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<v Speaker 10>glad for your question because I think multiple things are

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<v Speaker 10>allowed to be true at the same time. What is

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<v Speaker 10>true a is that social media is built on viral moments,

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<v Speaker 10>as opposed to the traditional training that Jureika, myself and

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<v Speaker 10>Darla and Mona that you have where you know, we're

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<v Speaker 10>in local news and our job is to tell the

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<v Speaker 10>story objectively.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not supposed to insert our opinions.

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<v Speaker 10>We're supposed to just give you the facts and the

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<v Speaker 10>spirit of Walter Cronkite. But social media is built on

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<v Speaker 10>viral moments. So we heard Selena talking about, oh, you know,

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<v Speaker 10>like what's going to be viral next? Waking up every

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<v Speaker 10>day worrying about how are you going to feed the beast.

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<v Speaker 10>We're all feeding the beast, just in a different way.

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<v Speaker 10>So I think that, you know, we're talking around a

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<v Speaker 10>lot of things. I'm sorry, but there is an appetite

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<v Speaker 10>for viral moments on social and I think that as

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<v Speaker 10>a society we have been trained to only need.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's an analogy.

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<v Speaker 10>Do you remember when you were a kid, you had

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<v Speaker 10>tropicana orange juice in the frozen thing in the freezer.

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<v Speaker 2>I would eat that.

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<v Speaker 10>My grandmother would be all over me, like she wait

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<v Speaker 10>until I make the orange juice. You have to pour

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<v Speaker 10>the water in it, like I just wanted to concentrate.

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<v Speaker 10>And that's literally, it is right and by dating myself,

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<v Speaker 10>but but that is literally what social media is. Everybody

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<v Speaker 10>wants the orange juice concentrate. They don't want it diluted,

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<v Speaker 10>they don't want it served to you in a glass.

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<v Speaker 10>What is also true is there is an appetite for

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<v Speaker 10>long form journalism. And so, you know, just as in

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<v Speaker 10>legacy media, I have been you know, I'm grateful and

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<v Speaker 10>fortunate enough to have my own show where I can

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<v Speaker 10>do those long form stories, where Armand is able to

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<v Speaker 10>sit down and do a two hour show and people

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<v Speaker 10>are there for it. People the diminishing eyes, the audience

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<v Speaker 10>that is on Legacy is there for my show, and

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<v Speaker 10>everyone else is watching Armand right, and so there is,

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<v Speaker 10>you know, an appetite for long form stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>The breakfast, you know, like Lord is on the air

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<v Speaker 2>for how many.

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<v Speaker 1>Hours in the morning, three or four hours.

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<v Speaker 10>Four hours. It's not just about the thirty second hit.

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<v Speaker 10>It's not just about the one minute clip. They will

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<v Speaker 10>sit there and listen to what Lauren has to say

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<v Speaker 10>for hours. They would sit there and listen to what

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<v Speaker 10>Armand has to say for hours. Sixty minutes is still

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<v Speaker 10>where it is because it's good television fifteen minute pieces.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that, yeah, multiple things are allowed to

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<v Speaker 2>be true.

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<v Speaker 6>At the same time, before we asked another quick question,

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<v Speaker 6>I know Mona wanted to jump in in the car lit.

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<v Speaker 9>Jump in real quick because I think this is a

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<v Speaker 9>conversation that goes beyond this table.

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<v Speaker 14>I feel like where before there were.

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<v Speaker 9>Gatekeepers, and this is a reason why a lot of

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<v Speaker 9>people weren't able to get the opportunities that for example,

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<v Speaker 9>I've been fortunate enough to have, because journalism is not easy.

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<v Speaker 9>It wasn't easy to break into right and then getting

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<v Speaker 9>our stories told was even harder. You had an uphill

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<v Speaker 9>battle to fight. And so now with social media, it's

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<v Speaker 9>allowed a new wave of people to enter the space

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<v Speaker 9>and take up space. But with that comes some murky

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<v Speaker 9>waters that we're navigating right where people for example, we're

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<v Speaker 9>revealing the identity of witnesses that we're going under pseudonyms,

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<v Speaker 9>and so you know, personally, I'm a decision not to

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<v Speaker 9>do that, But that doesn't mean that everyone who you

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<v Speaker 9>know walks in and is able to see the same

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<v Speaker 9>court proceeding that that I'm watching won't go back and

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<v Speaker 9>put two and two together and get those viral moments,

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<v Speaker 9>and so I think it's not just about one clip.

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<v Speaker 9>It's more about things are changing and how are we

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<v Speaker 9>going to navigate that when the gatekeeper are gone? Which

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<v Speaker 9>is great because now more people get opportunities. But the

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<v Speaker 9>gatekeepers are gone, which means things are not being vetted.

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<v Speaker 9>Ethic codes are not being you know, legal and standards

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<v Speaker 9>are no longer you know, vetting everything.

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<v Speaker 8>So I just want to add them in thirty seconds.

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<v Speaker 8>Thirty seconds, I think to tie a bow on that.

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<v Speaker 8>Thank you for that question, and I apologize.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no, no, no, I'm actually glad you asked

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<v Speaker 1>the girl. You aren't well be acting like you can't

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<v Speaker 1>do both.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, let me just just say, every day of my career,

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<v Speaker 8>every day that I'm gathering, I always have to answer

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<v Speaker 8>that question.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 8>So when I did a story today about a Jersey

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<v Speaker 8>City police officer who just got arrested for sexual assault

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<v Speaker 8>with a miner who was incapacitated, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 8>had to have that conversation. WHOA, I had a conversation. Okay,

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<v Speaker 8>do I show his life and children?

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<v Speaker 5>Right?

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<v Speaker 8>So so I think, yeah, So what I what I

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<v Speaker 8>say is every day, every decision as a journalist, whether

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<v Speaker 8>your legacy, whether you're armand whether you're Celeiah, Celia, Celia,

1:09:50.000 --> 1:09:54.960
<v Speaker 8>Celia Mona. And that's why, you know, we thank Dareka

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<v Speaker 8>for putting this panel together, because this is the panel

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<v Speaker 8>that you ask the questions too, because we all have

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<v Speaker 8>our different platforms, but you know, cream rises to the

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<v Speaker 8>top when you answer when you ask that question. Guess what,

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<v Speaker 8>Sometimes you're going to get it wrong right, sometimes you're

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<v Speaker 8>going to get it right, but you learn from each time,

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<v Speaker 8>so it doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 8>We all have to ask in this world, in the

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<v Speaker 8>murky waters, the buck stops with us, and it's good

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<v Speaker 8>to ask that question.

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<v Speaker 5>And sometimes it's just what it is.

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<v Speaker 19>Shante from Short and Sweet Well, the trial obviously brought

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<v Speaker 19>up so many triggering topics. What did you do specifically

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<v Speaker 19>to trigger or not trigger, but center yourself in your

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<v Speaker 19>personal life.

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<v Speaker 3>I will go out for dinner and drinks with Arma

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<v Speaker 3>and Celia a lot. And I also took a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of days to just go to sleep and to not

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<v Speaker 3>go to court like I needed to do that I

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<v Speaker 3>was sleep It was one point I was sleepwalking so bad.

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<v Speaker 3>I was at I was leaving a breakfast club and

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<v Speaker 3>our EP was like, do you need me to call

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<v Speaker 3>you a uber home? Like, I'm scared for you to

1:11:08.680 --> 1:11:10.479
<v Speaker 3>drive home cause I was so tired. I got to

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<v Speaker 3>be at breakfast club at like five thirty, then at

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<v Speaker 3>court until six so and then I'm doing my podcast

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<v Speaker 3>so and it's just bringing in the information is draining,

1:11:20.000 --> 1:11:22.080
<v Speaker 3>and then the type of information is draining as well too.

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<v Speaker 3>So I physically had to disconnect a couple days in

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of times, and I felt like, dang, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>missing it. And I was like, if I don't miss it,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even know what I'm gonna be talking about.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm'na be so delirious.

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<v Speaker 1>But also to community was a big thing.

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<v Speaker 3>At the end of the trial, me and our mom

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<v Speaker 3>were talking about how it kind of felt like I

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<v Speaker 3>went back to college, or like we went back to college,

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<v Speaker 3>because we all got so close going through it together

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<v Speaker 3>and we were able to talk to each other about

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<v Speaker 3>it and be upset with each other about certain things,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, just and that was so important because

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<v Speaker 3>unless you were at that courthouse every day, you really

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't fathom the intensity of certain things that we were experiencing.

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<v Speaker 3>So leaning into community was like a big thing for

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<v Speaker 3>me too.

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<v Speaker 15>I missed the question, guys, can can y'all just tell

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<v Speaker 15>me what the worst one?

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<v Speaker 6>What were you responding to the question was about things

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<v Speaker 6>that were triggering and how folks processed it. Lauren was

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<v Speaker 6>saying going out to drinks with you helped.

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<v Speaker 15>No, Oh, I have a triggering thing really quick. It

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<v Speaker 15>wasn't until after the trial though.

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<v Speaker 4>I think a lot of people do.

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<v Speaker 15>Well, maybe you guys didn't experience, but I did, and

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<v Speaker 15>I know a lot of like my peers kind of

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<v Speaker 15>felt it. But after all of that, I think I

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<v Speaker 15>fell into like a whole I don't know, I kind

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<v Speaker 15>of got it. It was like a little week they

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<v Speaker 15>were calling like a giddy depression.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 15>It just kind of felt like ugh, Like once it

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<v Speaker 15>was like all over, I had felt like it's what's next.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't know what. I didn't know what I felt.

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<v Speaker 15>I felt like it was so much energy there, but

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<v Speaker 15>I was like doing it for the to eight weeks

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<v Speaker 15>that I was there. Then once it was over, like

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<v Speaker 15>it was just this weird cloud over me where I

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<v Speaker 15>kind of was like.

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<v Speaker 4>Sad, I was fatigued. I didn't really want to work.

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<v Speaker 15>I didn't know what was going on with me, and

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<v Speaker 15>I think I didn't know what that was, but I

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<v Speaker 15>started to slowly pull myself out, you know, like talking

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<v Speaker 15>to my friends me, I would go to New York,

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<v Speaker 15>hang out with Salid, we would go out, have dreams,

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<v Speaker 15>running to Lauren, like, I would just start doing stuff

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<v Speaker 15>and then I would find myself getting inspired to get

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<v Speaker 15>back to it again. But that was something that kind

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<v Speaker 15>of hit me hard after the trial, Like you know,

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<v Speaker 15>went there, made a bunch of money, did a bunch

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<v Speaker 15>of content, had some big highs, and then like I think,

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<v Speaker 15>people we don't talk about enough when you hit those

1:13:27.160 --> 1:13:30.080
<v Speaker 15>big highs like that and then you just drop, it's

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<v Speaker 15>like you feel it, like I definitely did.

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<v Speaker 9>I will say the information is difficult to listen to.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean there's a lot of things that came out

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<v Speaker 9>and they was it was disturbing and you know information

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<v Speaker 9>that was coming out. I will say my years of

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<v Speaker 9>covering court has helped me compartmentalize things and not take things.

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<v Speaker 14>Home because it will wreck you.

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<v Speaker 9>It is why I kind of distanced myself from hard

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<v Speaker 9>news and started getting into entertainment news because after years

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<v Speaker 9>of that, it is difficult, right, But I will say

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<v Speaker 9>the amount of work that I was doing, all of

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<v Speaker 9>the you know, the long days in Core trying to

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<v Speaker 9>get all the content out all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 14>At the end of it, I was beat. I was

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<v Speaker 14>burnt out.

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<v Speaker 9>And it was something that I realized our newsrooms are

1:14:13.960 --> 1:14:16.600
<v Speaker 9>demanding so much of us these days. Like when I

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<v Speaker 9>first started, it was one hit, and then it was like, oh,

1:14:18.920 --> 1:14:21.000
<v Speaker 9>we added a four o'clock show, and then now you

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<v Speaker 9>got to produce yourself, and then you have to now

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<v Speaker 9>do something on social media.

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<v Speaker 14>And so I feel like a.

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<v Speaker 9>Lot of the reporters that were out there can can

1:14:28.640 --> 1:14:32.800
<v Speaker 9>agree that we are being stretched really thin. And at

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<v Speaker 9>the end of it, by summer, I'm like, first of all,

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<v Speaker 9>my summer was gone because you look up and it's

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<v Speaker 9>mid July. We started this in like May, so you

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<v Speaker 9>look up and you're like, oh my gosh, I didn't

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<v Speaker 9>go on vacation. I was in this courtroom and and

1:14:43.600 --> 1:14:45.960
<v Speaker 9>processing all this difficult information. But also the workload was

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<v Speaker 9>so much that by August I was burnt out and

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<v Speaker 9>how to just keep going?

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<v Speaker 14>And so I think trying to figure out how to navigate.

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<v Speaker 9>This and the demands and you know, more content and

1:14:57.560 --> 1:15:00.839
<v Speaker 9>great people want it, but we're only just one person

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<v Speaker 9>trying to produce all of that as well.

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<v Speaker 11>Hello.

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<v Speaker 5>My name is Cynthia Horner.

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<v Speaker 20>I'm on the board of New York Association of Black Journalists,

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<v Speaker 20>and I want to thank you all for having such

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<v Speaker 20>wonderful comments. And we've learned so much from what you've

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<v Speaker 20>had to say. There's so many diverse viewpoints. My question

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<v Speaker 20>is what was the most difficult moment for you in

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<v Speaker 20>covering this trial? Because there are some people that are

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<v Speaker 20>readers of publications or viewers of television shows who felt

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<v Speaker 20>that there were some moments in that trial that were

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<v Speaker 20>so horrific, the depravity and all of that that they

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<v Speaker 20>couldn't even stomach listening to it. So what was your

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<v Speaker 20>take on how did you navigate with that? Because you

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<v Speaker 20>have the reporter in you, but you also have the

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<v Speaker 20>human side, and you know, especially women, hearing testimony from

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<v Speaker 20>women who had been sexually assaulted and all of that

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<v Speaker 20>kind of thing. So if you could just give us

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<v Speaker 20>quick comments on how you navigated and if there was

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<v Speaker 20>one moment where you just.

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<v Speaker 5>Said, I don't know if I can keep doing this.

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<v Speaker 6>And if one person wants to take that, because we

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<v Speaker 6>got one more question and then we have announcements, so

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<v Speaker 6>we got like five minutes left. Sorry.

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<v Speaker 10>I think with every story you try to approach it

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<v Speaker 10>as a person. I'm a father of two daughters, so

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<v Speaker 10>hearing stories of domestic violence in that graphic nature was hard.

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<v Speaker 10>But at the same time, compartmentalizing is key to be

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<v Speaker 10>able to tell the you know, the audience, what's happening

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<v Speaker 10>without getting personally emotionally involved to the point where you

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<v Speaker 10>can't do your job.

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<v Speaker 21>All right, I'll respect all you ladies, and I don't

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<v Speaker 21>feel like I respect black journalists. I love black journalism.

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<v Speaker 21>Lonald Rossa, Dollar Miles, Jerika ducclan, I love y'all. Don't

1:17:11.600 --> 1:17:17.519
<v Speaker 21>suppress anything that y'all do. I'm from Jersey, and if

1:17:17.600 --> 1:17:20.320
<v Speaker 21>y'all feel suppressed or threatened by any way, I got

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<v Speaker 21>a hundred goons that will protect yourup, keep your foot on.

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<v Speaker 4>Donald Trumps. I'm not here to tear puff down or none.

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<v Speaker 22>I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't got nothing to do with that.

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<v Speaker 21>I do know the dude that dropped the book, Courtney,

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<v Speaker 21>that dropped the book with Kim Porter book.

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<v Speaker 4>I do know where.

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<v Speaker 21>I don't know how legit that book is, and I

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<v Speaker 21>don't know if y'all read the book or.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever, whatever, but keep your foot on Donald Trump net.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying, and know.

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<v Speaker 6>Where you were going with that conversation. Brother, I said,

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<v Speaker 6>wait a minute, wait a minute.

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<v Speaker 12>So I thank you for your support.

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<v Speaker 4>Now support you.

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<v Speaker 14>No, I appreciate hard.

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<v Speaker 22>I support y'all whole heartedly. I support y'all whole horribly.

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<v Speaker 22>I respect y'all journalism. I love black journalism. You know

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<v Speaker 22>what I'm saying, Like our story needs to be told.

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<v Speaker 5>I appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 2>What joy read to the fullest?

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<v Speaker 8>I got you. You know, we got five now, we

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<v Speaker 8>got like three minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I support you all right.

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<v Speaker 8>I appreciate what we got like, we got you all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, thank you.

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<v Speaker 8>The one thing I want to end with appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 8>Appreciate that. You know we'll get your number outside. So

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<v Speaker 8>I heard the same question twice. How did we deal

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<v Speaker 8>with it? And I don't think.

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<v Speaker 13>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't address it.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't know if you got the answer that you

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<v Speaker 8>were looking for from a woman's perspective, from a black

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<v Speaker 8>woman's perspective, from my point of view, right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 8>I think we've addressed it. The only thing I will

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<v Speaker 8>say because I do get that question a lot. Let

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<v Speaker 8>me just land a plane. You know, we're coming back

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<v Speaker 8>over from your But you know, I've seen a lot.

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<v Speaker 5>I've seen a lot in New York City.

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<v Speaker 8>I've covered a lot, and I kind of feel like

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<v Speaker 8>we're second responders.

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<v Speaker 5>So like first responders, they go.

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<v Speaker 8>Out and they compartmentalize, they compartmentalize and they just go home.

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<v Speaker 8>And so we're kind of like second responders and we,

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<v Speaker 8>whether we know it or not, we do compartmentalize in

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<v Speaker 8>that way. And I'll say, just to Lawrence's point, the

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<v Speaker 8>community of us who kind of like we're pledging the

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<v Speaker 8>Diddy trial together, you know, really made it great. Jay

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<v Speaker 8>and I would talk about Armand's show in the morning,

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<v Speaker 8>did you see Armand? Last night I would see Salia

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<v Speaker 8>and what you This panel is a product of the

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<v Speaker 8>community that we built during that experience.

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<v Speaker 5>And I'll say that that's not the worst I've ever covered.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how I felt.

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<v Speaker 8>So I've covered so much more that was also horrific.

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<v Speaker 8>It really wasn't the worst that I've ever covered. And

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<v Speaker 8>I was very happy that they didn't show us the

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<v Speaker 8>tapes because I didn't want that in my brain. I'm

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<v Speaker 8>very particular about what I put in my brain. So

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<v Speaker 8>I was happy that they kept some of the stuff

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<v Speaker 8>away from us and I protected my brain and we

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<v Speaker 8>just were second responders and we comportmentalized blast.

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<v Speaker 11>Every woman, black, white, Asian.

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<v Speaker 12>Everybody talked about every little detail being flewed out. I mean,

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<v Speaker 12>you had Emmy award winning.

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<v Speaker 11>Journalists that you see on TV that are like, well,

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<v Speaker 11>I was flewed out. I don't remember that experience. We

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<v Speaker 11>were all comparing that was not me. I'm just saying,

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<v Speaker 11>it's like I never.

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<v Speaker 1>Been flewed out.

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<v Speaker 11>The thing women got together of all different racist ethnicities

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<v Speaker 11>and we're like, well, I don't know. I mean when

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<v Speaker 11>I looked that this could have been me, we were

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<v Speaker 11>all like wow, Like it was like stories.

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<v Speaker 12>Anybody staring sharing stories. It was insane.

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<v Speaker 11>And then people kept telling me that TMZ loved Diddy,

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<v Speaker 11>which really was weird, and I was like, that's not true,

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<v Speaker 11>and I felt like I had to defend myself and

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<v Speaker 11>it was just weird. But so there was so many

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<v Speaker 11>different components, but yeah, everybody got together and talked about

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<v Speaker 11>it and it was a great bonding experience.

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<v Speaker 4>Can I follow up that question? Sure, it's it's real

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<v Speaker 4>fast because you know, we gotta.

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<v Speaker 2>All live through our felly and now the ditty trip.

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<v Speaker 4>I just wanted to follow up usively that do you guys.

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<v Speaker 13>Think that as a society we're talking about sexual violence

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<v Speaker 13>and the next like our conversation around this GB's sexual violence,

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<v Speaker 13>is it evolving?

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<v Speaker 8>Because it just seems like, you know, no, no, yeah,

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<v Speaker 8>Epstein files, No no, no.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>Ten years ago, we wouldn't this conversation now, yes, yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 8>our kick off the.

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<v Speaker 4>Conversation good night.

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<v Speaker 5>I remember when r Kelly and Alijah came.

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<v Speaker 10>Out and to my night he could when the whole

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<v Speaker 10>marriage story broke, I thought it was a marketing floor.

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<v Speaker 5>I was speaking to myself at the time.

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<v Speaker 4>Her uncle was her manager. Might there's no way her

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<v Speaker 4>parents were coach signs.

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<v Speaker 5>I truly thought it was a marketing ploor to sell age.

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<v Speaker 4>Ain't nothing one enough. It wouldn't have occurred to.

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<v Speaker 12>Me at that time that it was a real thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 13>So I think my answer, and I can't speak to anybody,

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<v Speaker 13>but I will say my answer is yes.

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<v Speaker 8>Because again, ten years ago, we wouldn't be having the

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<v Speaker 8>conversation we would have it now. You're right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 8>I think the conversation with me too has advanced the discussion.

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<v Speaker 8>I think to quantify my earlier knee jerk reaction is

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<v Speaker 8>and maybe that is my perspective as a woman, because

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<v Speaker 8>I don't think justice has caught up with a conversation.

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<v Speaker 10>Hmmm, no, no, And you know, really quick social media.

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<v Speaker 10>We've said it before. It's about everybody wants to see

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<v Speaker 10>the car accident, so you know, the most graphic details

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<v Speaker 10>that you can imagine that we were not discussing ten

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<v Speaker 10>years ago, because everyone wants the you know, the most

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<v Speaker 10>salacious details on their feed that they can just scroll through.

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<v Speaker 10>A lot of it is falling through the cracks into

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<v Speaker 10>our phone and onto our feeds. And I know we're

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<v Speaker 10>about to wrap up, but I just wanted to say

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<v Speaker 10>this that, you know, for people like me and Darla

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<v Speaker 10>I love, I don't want there to be any kind

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<v Speaker 10>of misperception about what's happening in this business. I love

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<v Speaker 10>seeing Lauren Win, I love seeing Celia Win.

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<v Speaker 2>I love seeing armand Win. And I told Armand that

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<v Speaker 2>to his face.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I it's so now you put me on

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<v Speaker 4>your show. I did.

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<v Speaker 10>I did, And you know what my producers are like,

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<v Speaker 10>who is that and why is he a guest on

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<v Speaker 10>your show. But as the managing editor and the creator

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<v Speaker 10>of it and the co producer of it, I get

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<v Speaker 10>to call the shots and who's on the show man,

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<v Speaker 10>And I said, I want armand on my show. And so,

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<v Speaker 10>you know, to have people who look like us carry

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<v Speaker 10>us into the next generation about of what is going

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<v Speaker 10>to be seen. I think it's so important. And there's

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<v Speaker 10>another The plate is big enough for all of us

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<v Speaker 10>to eat, and I'm looking to them to teach me

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<v Speaker 10>how to evolve. And so I just wanted to say that,

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<v Speaker 10>you know, I'm so grateful to all of all of

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<v Speaker 10>you for leading the way.

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<v Speaker 6>I just yes, thank you guys. I know this went

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<v Speaker 6>by so fast. I wish we had more time. Mona,

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<v Speaker 6>you had one more thought? Did you want to say

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<v Speaker 6>one more thing.

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<v Speaker 9>Just quickly, about the conversation about sexual violence and if

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<v Speaker 9>we're having these conversations. I think we've come a long

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<v Speaker 9>way since the days of normalizing R. Kelly and making

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<v Speaker 9>jokes on the Chappelle Show about what he was doing.

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<v Speaker 9>But I also think that what was complicated about this

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<v Speaker 9>case is you had it. We were almost saying that

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<v Speaker 9>it was, you know, a test for the me too movement?

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<v Speaker 9>Is a me too movement done, and I don't think

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<v Speaker 9>that one case dictates if the Me Too movement is effective.

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<v Speaker 9>But also what I think happened is people were torn

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<v Speaker 9>between is this a black man who is, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>being the government's trying to throw a black man, a

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<v Speaker 9>successful black man in jail. Or is this someone who

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<v Speaker 9>was a very powerful, rich man who was taking advantage

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<v Speaker 9>of women and using his power to do so. And

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<v Speaker 9>I think sometimes that mix of a conversation was happening

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<v Speaker 9>as well.

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<v Speaker 6>Hopefully with a reporting that everybody here did you get

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<v Speaker 6>to make that decision, We're not here to tell you

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<v Speaker 6>how to think so, and then.

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<v Speaker 4>Lastly the real quick, real quick. Okay, but I think too.

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<v Speaker 15>Because I always got to add the LGBTQ factor into

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<v Speaker 15>I think people also were having conversations they were so

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<v Speaker 15>interested in is.

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<v Speaker 4>D D gay? What about the men? What about the escorts?

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<v Speaker 15>So you know, they people were becoming desentitized because they

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<v Speaker 15>were so infatuated with whether.

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<v Speaker 4>Or not he was interested in the men or not.

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<v Speaker 15>So it's just a lot of things that kind of

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<v Speaker 15>went into that when we get into the sexual stuff.

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<v Speaker 6>So you make sure you follow everybody on this panel.

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<v Speaker 6>Check out our Moms Show Jay's show, Darla, all of

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<v Speaker 6>us please, we need to support you.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you guys so much for joining me for this conversation. Look,

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<v Speaker 3>I always say I can't ever be afraid to answer

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<v Speaker 3>a question because I'm the girl that's gonna ask him.

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<v Speaker 3>I know y'all hate the way I say ask. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>also never going to learn how to say that the

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<v Speaker 3>correct way. But thank you guys for joining me in

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<v Speaker 3>this episode. You know I tell y'all every single episode.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate you guys because y'all could be anywhere with anybody,

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<v Speaker 3>having these conversations, and you choose to be right here

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<v Speaker 3>with me. By Lowriders, I will see you in my

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<v Speaker 3>next episode.