1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: I'm a homegrowl that knows a little bit about everything. 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 2: And everybody, you know, if you don't lie about that. 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 3: Right, Hey, y'all, what's up. It's Laura de Rosa and 4 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 3: this is the Latest with Laura de Rosa. This is 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 3: your daily dig on all things pop culture, entertainment, news 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 3: and all of the conversations that shake the room. 7 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 4: Baby. 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 3: Now we are getting into and I'm so happy we've 9 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 3: been doing this so much lately on the podcast. We're 10 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 3: getting into another conversation that is gonna shake the room. Uh, 11 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 3: And it's about conversations that shook the room. So I was, 12 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 3: you know, honored to be invited. Shout out to Jureka 13 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 3: Duncan from CBS News. Uh, I was honored to be 14 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 3: invited by her and her Association of Black Journalists New 15 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 3: York team to speak on a panel about the experience 16 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 3: of covering the Diddy trial. Now, you guys know, here 17 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 3: the Latest with Laura Rosa, the podcast that the Diddy 18 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 3: trial and that coverage was such a you know, a 19 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 3: time for us, not only because I think you know 20 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 3: a lot of people were able to really hear my 21 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 3: voice separately of anywhere else you've ever heard. 22 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: It, but also it was such a hustle. 23 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 3: I mean every day from you know, early four am, 24 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 3: five am mornings with the breakfast club, going right to court, 25 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 3: finishing my day six seven pm, and getting back up 26 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 3: and doing it again, to the point where I was 27 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 3: like cleetwalking, and you guys will know, we were doubling 28 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 3: up on content. 29 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: And I was very honest about you guys. 30 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 3: I was very honest with you guys about just how 31 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 3: I was feeling, how I was handling it, and everything 32 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 3: I was seeing in the courtroom. 33 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:36,279 Speaker 5: And it stuck. 34 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 3: So I was joined by some amazing journalists, you know 35 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 3: the outlets in the room. Shout out to Picks eleven, 36 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 3: which is a local New York traditional news station. There 37 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 3: was you know, ABC was in the room. You also 38 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 3: had let me actually get their names so I can 39 00:01:54,160 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 3: make sure giving these beautiful journal journalists their credit. So 40 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 3: on the panel you had Armind Wiggins shout out to 41 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 3: Arma Yaa. I love Armand who is a YouTube content creator. 42 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 3: Celia Bussy who is a senior field producer with TMZ. 43 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: I worked with her there for some time. 44 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 3: Darla Miles who was a reporter for ABC seven, Jay 45 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 3: Dow who is a reporter for Pixe eleven, and then 46 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 3: Jureka Duncan, who was the moderator of the conversation who 47 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 3: I mentioned in the beginning of this from CBS News, 48 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,399 Speaker 3: and I was there on behalf of the Breakfast Club 49 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 3: and the Latest with Lona Rosa, and we got into 50 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 3: some conversations. They weren't the easiest because covering the Diddy 51 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 3: trial and all the things we learned weren't but we 52 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 3: had it. Let's get into it. 53 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 6: Hello, everybody, thank you so much for coming. I'm like, oh, 54 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 6: you look so familiar. I know who you are. I 55 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,519 Speaker 6: really appreciate you all taking the time to come together 56 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 6: to hear some of what we had to say and 57 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 6: experience while covering the Diddy trial. Welcome officially to behind 58 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 6: the scenes, behind the headlines covering the p Diddy trial 59 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 6: from start to sentencing. So for many of us, coverage 60 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 6: of Sean Diddy combe started two years ago, almost to 61 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 6: the day when his ex longtime girlfriend, Cassie Ventura filed 62 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 6: her civil lawsuit. More allegations were lodged. Colmes was later 63 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 6: arrested in September of twenty twenty four. A federal criminal 64 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 6: trial followed in May of this year and by now 65 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 6: you know the rest. The now fifty six year old 66 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 6: Grammy Award winning artists mogul and father of seven, was 67 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 6: convicted on two counts of transportation to engage in prostitution. 68 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 6: His release date is June of twenty twenty eight. Combs's 69 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 6: conviction was a pivotal moment in the culture that has 70 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 6: shaped many of us in this room. I grew up 71 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 6: listening to Colms's music, and on the outside he represented 72 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 6: someone who made it in spite of But when it 73 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 6: was all over, I felt it was important to come 74 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 6: back together with my colleagues sitting right here to reflect 75 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 6: on a once in a lifetime memory trial that shaped 76 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 6: all of us in different ways. So tonight you will 77 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 6: get a chance to speak with a diverse group of reporters, producers, 78 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 6: content creators for a revealing and respectful conversation about the 79 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 6: trial of the year. Clap it up, We're gonna make 80 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 6: some noise. 81 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:29,799 Speaker 7: Hi, it's Selia Simone. 82 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 8: I'm here with Arma Legasp I'm j Dal This is 83 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 8: the latest with Lona Rosa. 84 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 4: Well that you have been in every single day. 85 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 9: Frega, how wout you describe Passi's demeanor which you took 86 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 9: the stands today. 87 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 10: Welcome to the Dissecting Vinny podcast. 88 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 2: Everybody's talking about jury. 89 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 3: I don't believe that when you're telling you right now, 90 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 3: it's true that I do believe one day, Willie, And 91 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 3: if it is a. 92 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 10: Thank you love, what do you make of the government 93 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 10: strength in this case compared to when you represented him 94 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 10: twenty six years ago. 95 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 7: And just stepped out of the courtroom? And tensions were 96 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 7: extremely high on day fourteen of the Ditty trial, prosecutors 97 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 7: accusing Ditty's attorney Ryan Steele of yelling at and humiliating 98 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 7: Ditty's formal assistant Niya, who's on the stands today. 99 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 11: Mia had a heartbreaking testimony in which she spoke about 100 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 11: being suchly assaulted by did He. 101 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 7: She mentioned seeing tons of abuse. 102 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 4: Could you imagine somebody telling you, do you know what 103 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 4: your problem is? Could you went away for a view 104 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 4: the video. 105 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 12: Jurra Island for a hour. 106 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 7: And I joked with you a couple of days ago 107 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 7: about you know, footsopb the next. 108 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 10: Generation of news gatherers who offer their own opinion. 109 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 4: I'm not on either side. Let me just start there. 110 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 4: I'm not on either side. 111 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 9: Did He is facing life in prison and convicted. So 112 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 9: let's break down what he's actually charged with. There are 113 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 9: five counts total in the indictment, rocketeering conspiracy, rico, two 114 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 9: counts of sex trafficking, and two counts of transportation to 115 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 9: engage in prostitution. Okay, let's start with Rigo. It was 116 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 9: a lot that was passed in nineteen seventy so that 117 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 9: the gun making takedown the mob. So he was found 118 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 9: not guilty of the racketeering charge. He was found not 119 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 9: guilty of trafficking. Well, he was found guilty of was 120 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 9: the prostitution. 121 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 7: So the first verdict Todd racketearing conspiracy, not guilty. You 122 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 7: saw him do this, pop and so top it all off. 123 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 11: This week President Nowald Trump was teasing and alluding to possibly. 124 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 4: Part of thing. 125 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 11: Sean Combs, Sewan Buffy Combs, SHAWNA did it comes there's 126 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 11: a prostitution for Casy Ventura guilty. 127 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 4: He was shocked. 128 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 7: He was visibly affected when that one came. You could 129 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 7: tell he. 130 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 8: Was not a brain for that to come like a kinetic, 131 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 8: like a real serious shock because I think you know, 132 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 8: once you start hearing the work, heinditive, not guilty. 133 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 5: Bird, it's there. 134 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 8: Maybe have been an assumption that there was going to 135 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 8: continue to be a not guilty verdict. 136 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 6: This was the most important day of this case. His 137 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 6: sentence is fifty months of incarceration at NIFFOLO, which is 138 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 6: the lead of turning for Combs asking for more time 139 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 6: to list the recommendations, also supervised release five years. No 140 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 6: reaction from Colnes. He is still sitting and there's a 141 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 6: five hundred thousand dollars fine. 142 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 8: Sean Combs dropped a different and just bowed his head 143 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 8: and just pray. 144 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 6: This is probably the first trial where I've seen so 145 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 6: much social media presence, TikTok, Instagram, bloggers, people out here. 146 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 6: So even though you're not supposed to look at your 147 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 6: phone and you're not supposed to read messages from familin 148 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,559 Speaker 6: friends about this case, there's a lot of information out there. 149 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 13: Man. 150 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 6: Thank you and thank you to Ron Thompson who put 151 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 6: that lovely video together. So before we get started on 152 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 6: the questions that I have, and we're going to open 153 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 6: it up to Q and A, I want everybody to 154 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 6: just take thirty seconds to introduce themselves, who they are 155 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 6: and why they're here. Thirty seconds, Lauren, you can start 156 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 6: us off. 157 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, I'm Lauren le Rosa. 158 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 3: I am the senior news producer at The Breakfast Club 159 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 3: and I am the host and a creator of the 160 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 3: Latest with Lona Roads, of the podcast on the Black 161 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 3: Effect Network via iHeart. 162 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: And I'm here because I was. I was there. We 163 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: were in the courthouse and covering the trial. 164 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 3: I was covering it for the radio show The Breakfast 165 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 3: Club that I worked for, and then it spilled over 166 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 3: into the podcast, and then it took its own life 167 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 3: on social media, and it's just been such a conversation 168 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 3: because it was such a big deal in pop culture 169 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 3: and you know, in conversation. 170 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: So thank you for having me. 171 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 2: My name is Jay Dawe. 172 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 10: I'm a correspondent with wpix pix eleven News and the 173 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 10: host of Community Close Up with Jay dow And I 174 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 10: was in the trenches with these amazing journalists. I'm not 175 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 10: going to break it down and call them content creators 176 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 10: because we were all there in the courtroom with pads 177 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 10: in our laps, pens or pencils taking notes that are 178 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 10: re court. You can't bring in cameras, And it was 179 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 10: an amazing experience, an eye opening experience for me. 180 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 2: I mean, this is my twenty sixty. 181 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 10: Year reporting in New York City, and this is the 182 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 10: first time that I saw our business come full circle, 183 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 10: the evolution. I felt like this was the transition where 184 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 10: you had, you know, one hundred years ago radio stars 185 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 10: and silent movie stars looking to the future. 186 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 2: And I saw folks. 187 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 10: Like Lauren, like armand sitting there doing what they do, 188 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 10: delivering the same material to their own audiences, and I 189 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 10: was I was so impressed. So I'm honored to be 190 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 10: here and it's great to be a part of this. 191 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 8: Good evening everyone. I'm Darla Miles, a correspondent with ABC 192 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 8: seven New York. I have been on the streets of 193 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 8: New York City for sixteen years. I have been in 194 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 8: this industry for thirty years. Benjamin Button, Yes, and you 195 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 8: know I've I cover crime. I cover a lot of 196 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 8: high profile crime. I produced a documentary set the record straight, 197 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 8: the cold case murder of cham Master Jay. And I 198 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 8: don't do celebrity news or sports news, but whenever they 199 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 8: get arrested, you will see me in court. I just 200 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 8: really can't even remember. Because there's always the thing about 201 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 8: covering news in New York and crime and high profile crime. 202 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 8: Everything is the big story until the next big story. 203 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 8: So there was Trump, there was Jonathan Majors. I've covered 204 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 8: Luigi Mangioni, Weinstein, the Guilgo murders. I was there on 205 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 8: the first day when they found the first body. So 206 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 8: I've just been in the trenches a long time and 207 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 8: being a part of legacy media, I really feel it's 208 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 8: a duty and a calling and a purpose in life 209 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 8: to hold this seat at the table to make sure 210 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 8: there is representation and context and everything that we cover 211 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 8: when it comes to being empathetic as a human right, 212 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 8: not just a person of color, not just a woman, 213 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 8: but being the good Southern person that my family taught 214 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 8: me to be, treat people the way you'd like to 215 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 8: be treated. So I'm very humbled and honored every day 216 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 8: that I get a chance to be one of the 217 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 8: lead reporters at the number one news station in the city, 218 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 8: the number one station in the country, a legacy station 219 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 8: that really shaped local news. And like Jay said, we're 220 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 8: now part of an evolution in our and our industry 221 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 8: where the ecosystem is expanding and we're all better for it. 222 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 12: Hello. 223 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 11: I am Celia Simone. I am a senior fild producer 224 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 11: at TMZ Hence Field so for the Diddy Child, I 225 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 11: was almost exclusively in the field covering the case. I 226 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 11: really was honored to cover the case because, like Jureka said, 227 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 11: I grew up listening to Ditty's music and I was always, 228 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 11: you know, to be honest, a fan. So this was 229 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 11: a different way of seeing someone I looked up to 230 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 11: my whole life, a different way to kind of view them. 231 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 11: I will say that I'm also a YouTuber, so I 232 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 11: was really anxious to talk to my YouTube family and 233 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 11: to also do my field work. But I think what 234 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 11: was really important was my voice. People always notice my voice. 235 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 11: I have a really interesting voice. In this trial really 236 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 11: helped to further the narrative. With my voice, you probably 237 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 11: heard me saying, oh my god, Justin, I love that jacket, 238 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 11: or ms COLEMs, I love your hair, you know was 239 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 11: I kind of was carving out a lane for myself 240 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 11: strictly behind the camera. 241 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 12: No one could see my face, just in my voice, 242 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 12: and it was great. Loved it. 243 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 9: I do always recognize your voice, lie Hi. I'm Monico 244 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 9: sar Abdi. I am a senior correspondent for Extra TV 245 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 9: and weekend co host, and I was covering this obviously 246 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 9: because I am an entertainment journalism, so a journalist, so 247 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 9: I was looking through an entertainment lens. But I'm also 248 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 9: a seasoned journalist who was at network news. I was 249 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 9: at ABC before Extra came up through local news. So 250 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 9: for me, hard news meets entertainment news is my bread 251 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 9: and butter. 252 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 14: This is where I excel to bring kind of just 253 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 14: the background. 254 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 9: Like Darla said, I covered wins Epstein, Luigi Mangioni so 255 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 9: many cases, Jonathan Major's as well, and to look at 256 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 9: entertainment news through a hard NewsLens. 257 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 14: It's not very often that they mix, even though more 258 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 14: so now. 259 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 9: But taking that and also I have a large following 260 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 9: online and bringing it to the audience was a very 261 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 9: interesting experience because we've talked about in this case, this 262 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 9: was the first time that we saw a lot of 263 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 9: creators and a lot of conversation happening online. So there's 264 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 9: no blueprint for covering it, both for legacy media channel 265 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 9: and also for an online platform, and so it was 266 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 9: interesting to see how audiences received it. 267 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 14: It was interesting to see what people were interested in. 268 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 9: I will say that this case, I believe a lot 269 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 9: of legacy media outlets thought they were going to cover 270 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 9: it for the first week and that was it. And 271 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 9: then they saw the interest online and they saw the numbers, 272 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 9: and they saw the young people were interested, old people 273 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 9: were interested everyone because of the impact that did He 274 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 9: had in entertainment and how he, you know, transhid in 275 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 9: generations and so it was interesting to see them kind 276 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 9: of course correct and really try to follow this case. 277 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 9: And I think we'll see this impact for many years 278 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 9: to come. 279 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 6: Turn it up. Turn you into a very large screen here, arman, 280 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 6: we can all see you. 281 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 4: Hey, yeah, it's my turn. Yeah. 282 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 15: So hey guys, my name is Armand Wiggins. I am 283 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 15: a YouTuber content creator. 284 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 13: Yeah. 285 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 15: I had a great time covering the trial. I've covered 286 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 15: cases before. I've covered the Megan and Tory case, so 287 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 15: I like a lot of like hip hop culture news 288 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 15: and cases. So the did He trial just fell right 289 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 15: in line for me to cover it. I felt like 290 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 15: it was important for me as a content creator to 291 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 15: come get the story for my audience because while you know, 292 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 15: we love legacy media, I think there's something that there's 293 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 15: a trust that's built in when you when you're speaking 294 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 15: to your audience every single day, and I felt like 295 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 15: it was just my duty to be on the ground, 296 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 15: sleeping outside getting the news firsthand for my supporters. You know, 297 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 15: I would love to be there with you now, but 298 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 15: you know, my people literally in one hour, less than 299 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 15: an hour last night, came up with one thousand dollars 300 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 15: to fly me out to Miami to cover the Megan 301 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 15: thee Stallion versus Malagro Gram's case. So, I mean, people 302 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 15: have a real interest in that, and so you know, 303 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 15: I'm now my people They want to hear the news 304 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 15: and from me covering these cases. So I think now 305 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 15: like this is a new lane for me and I'm 306 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 15: really enjoying it. And it's hard work, but I mean 307 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 15: it pays off really well, and I'm excited to be 308 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 15: a part of, you know, such a great conglomerate. 309 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 6: Thank you, Thank you to all of you guys again 310 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 6: for being here. My name is Jureka Duncan. I'm a 311 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 6: CBS News national correspondent and I have to say this 312 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 6: particular case for me was the first time that I 313 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 6: really leaned into social media my following group by almost 314 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 6: twenty thousand and followers, because I was posting every single 315 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 6: day about the nuances of this case at a time 316 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 6: when our network actually did not cover it the first day, 317 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 6: we covered it, the last day on evening news. We 318 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 6: did cover it in the morning. But when people ask me, 319 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 6: how were you able to do that? I had the 320 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 6: benefit of not having a deadline at five or six 321 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 6: like Darla did or Jay did. And what's so fascinating 322 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 6: with what they were able to do and why I'm 323 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,239 Speaker 6: just a study of what we do as a business, 324 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 6: is they were literally doing their social media videos and 325 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 6: then they were getting ready for five o'clock or six 326 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 6: o'clock live shot. Sometimes I think I saw you doing 327 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 6: some stuff at ten or eleven at night or a 328 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 6: couple times. So, I mean, there's a lot that was 329 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 6: asked of us, and we can delve into that, and 330 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 6: of course you all will be able to ask questions. 331 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 6: But the first question that I want to post to 332 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 6: the panel, and you guys can feel free to jump in, 333 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 6: is when you went into this trial, you went into 334 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 6: it thinking what. 335 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 5: Well for me? 336 00:16:58,160 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 3: When I went into the trial, I went into it 337 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 3: this is crazy, Like, of all the places in the 338 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 3: ways that I've seen Diddy, to be with him in 339 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 3: court is like I couldn't even fathom. 340 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 5: What seeing him in court would be like. 341 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 3: And you know, all of that because I've been working 342 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 3: in entertainment for some time and I was living in 343 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 3: LA for eight years. I was working at TMC with Salia, 344 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 3: so like you know, I've been in interaction and things 345 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 3: like that. I just remember the first day being at 346 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 3: courtroom and seeing him walk out. I was like, oh wow, 347 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 3: like he man, Nothing's ever going to be the same 348 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 3: for him. So for me, it was kind of like 349 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 3: that shock of like, this is really real. People's lives 350 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 3: have been really impacted and nothing will ever be the 351 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 3: same for him. After this first day of court that 352 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 3: we're sitting in. 353 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 10: I was fortunate enough, and that's what I'm gonna call 354 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 10: it to be reporting. When Diddy was on trial the 355 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 10: first time, I was working at New York one and 356 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 10: I was what twenty five, I twenty six years old, 357 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 10: and I remember that case, and at the start of 358 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 10: this trial, I knew things were going to be different 359 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 10: because that was a state case the first one. This 360 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 10: time it was a Rico and anyone who's familiar with 361 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 10: a Rico case knows that when the Feds come, they 362 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 10: come hard, you know, And the whole framework of a 363 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 10: Rico case is designed to take down the head of 364 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 10: an organization. It was designed to take down the mob, 365 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 10: and when they're successful, they not only put you in 366 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 10: prison for the rest of your life, but they take 367 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 10: all your assets. And so the stakes were extraordinarily high. 368 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 10: So I knew and you saw it the first time 369 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,360 Speaker 10: that Colmbs came into the courtroom. He took it seriously 370 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 10: because he knew how serious it was, and to have 371 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 10: two rows of attorneys there. He was speaking with his wallet, 372 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 10: knowing that he had to beat this, and he did. 373 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 10: He beat the rico and not many people beat Arigo. 374 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 10: So I knew that going into this case, it was 375 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 10: going to be a huge deal. It was going to 376 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 10: be mainstream. It wasn't going to be something that was 377 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 10: just on, you know, in hip hop culture and just 378 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 10: entertainment news. This was going to be a hard news adventure, 379 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 10: and our station luckily made the commitment. I was grateful 380 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 10: to hear that they were going to cover a gavel 381 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 10: to gavel and I've covered several trials gavel to gavel, 382 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 10: and this one was extraordinary, not just because of the 383 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 10: national and international media that came, but because of all 384 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 10: of the content creators that I was just sitting next to, 385 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 10: and Drika, you talked about how, you know, we were 386 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 10: trying to you know, get up our game and do 387 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 10: our social stuff and then also have to do you know, 388 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 10: Darla as to do the noon. We don't have a noon, 389 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 10: but you know, we're doing the four, five, and six, 390 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 10: we're doing the morning show, and I'm trying to figure 391 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 10: out how am I supposed to do all of this 392 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 10: and still put together a piece, you know, for the 393 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 10: for the evening. 394 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 2: But we had to figure it out. 395 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 10: We have to figure it out because that is where 396 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 10: everything is going. So yeah, going into this trial, I 397 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 10: was ready for the. 398 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 2: Unknown and we got it. 399 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 5: Okay. 400 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,719 Speaker 8: So a couple of things. So I was I was 401 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 8: not on the first trial. I think I was somewhere 402 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 8: in the South reporting, but I was, well, yeah, where 403 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 8: is that? But I was at his first arraignment, so 404 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 8: I caught the assignment when it was when he was arrested. 405 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 8: I think it was September seventeenth. He was arrested the 406 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 8: night before. Darling, you're going to be covering the the 407 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 8: US attorney's press conference, are going to be announcing the charges. 408 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 8: So I was there for some of the earlier court 409 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,239 Speaker 8: appearances prior to the trial and the first when I 410 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 8: first got there, it was still like old hat because 411 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 8: it's just kind of a routine. The way I approached 412 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 8: my craft is very much the way my father, the scientist, 413 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 8: the coach taught me. It's kind of like as to 414 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 8: make sure I check all the boxes and not to 415 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 8: leave us stone unturned. But again, as my colleagues have stated, 416 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,360 Speaker 8: you could kind of feel the natives getting restless and 417 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 8: the interests really simmering. And so I actually went knowing 418 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 8: like this is going to sound crazy, but I was 419 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 8: annoyed because I knew it was going to be crazy, 420 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 8: and you know, and so I'm like, I cover, I cover, 421 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 8: I'm in this courthouse all the time. 422 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 5: I cover this all the time. 423 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 8: But there is going to be an element of chaos 424 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 8: that I know is going to be untenable and that 425 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:39,479 Speaker 8: I know it's going to be exhaustive trying to tame it. 426 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:45,479 Speaker 5: And you know, I'm so I wasn't annoyed. 427 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 8: I just you know, you just know, it's almost like 428 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 8: cleaning out your garage, right, You're annoyed that you got 429 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 8: to clean it out, but you know you don't have 430 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 8: to do it, and you're going to be happy with 431 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 8: your sense of accomplishment after the fact, So that's a 432 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 8: way to kind of frame it. So I know it 433 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 8: was going to be crazy. What I did not know 434 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 8: is how exhausted it was going to be for such 435 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 8: a long period of time, for eight weeks, getting up 436 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 8: at four o'clock in the morning, committing to standing outside 437 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 8: in line to actually make it inside of the courtroom. 438 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 8: You know, the whole dynamic with that. So you know, 439 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 8: I was I didn't really have an issue with the content. 440 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 8: I didn't have an issue with, you know, having to 441 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 8: cover federal court because I've done it so many times. 442 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 8: But I just knew that there was going to be 443 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 8: an element of chaos that was going to be unexpected, 444 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,360 Speaker 8: that was going to make it difficult, and that rained very, 445 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 8: very true. 446 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 5: But I think we all. 447 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 8: Grew for it, and I think we all I think 448 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 8: we're here because we all gained a respect for each 449 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 8: ingredient to this news ecosystem. So I think what we 450 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 8: realize it's not legacy versus YouTube versus social I mean, 451 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 8: it's like making, you know, a pie, and you have 452 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 8: little ingredients that feed that pie. So you know, I'm 453 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 8: never my colleague's enemy. We're all here for the greater 454 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,719 Speaker 8: good to inform everybody. And for me, the last thing 455 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 8: I will say on this is that I'm really a 456 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 8: stickler for facts and information because it is just it's 457 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 8: like nails on the chalkboard when people don't understand the 458 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 8: legal nuances, because I think that's how it snowballs into 459 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 8: you know, individuals getting jammed up because they don't really 460 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 8: understand how the legal system works. So for me, I 461 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 8: wanted to make sure that you know, I was very 462 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 8: very technical about covering the case, and I left all 463 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 8: the social stuff to the social queens. 464 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 4: Can I jump in there or somebody going. 465 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 12: I'll be fast. 466 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 11: What I will say is when they when the office 467 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 11: reached out to me, I felt excited and I felt 468 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 11: like we gonna gie me. You know, I really wanted 469 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 11: to that. I really wanted to get it right. But 470 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 11: it was something you know, I had done a little 471 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 11: bit of Luigi, I'm trying to figure out the timeframe. 472 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 11: I had did some stuff sometimes going to the court, 473 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 11: but I was mainly like the girl who went to 474 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 11: all the morning shows and found talent and got. 475 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 12: A viral clip. 476 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 11: So this was really very much structured for me, and 477 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 11: I was just thinking to myself, how am I going 478 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 11: to do this? 479 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 12: Like how am I going to get up? 480 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 11: And I went to half earlier do what I normally 481 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 11: get up, and like, you know, I just wanted to 482 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 11: figure out what was expected of me and how I 483 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 11: was going to deliver. And I think the first day 484 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 11: it really proved to me that my job was so important. 485 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 11: There was an intern that I never met. 486 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 12: She was there. I was like, what the heck. 487 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 11: Then there's like this other person that they bought in 488 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 11: from another state to help us. And there were so 489 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 11: many people that I had to work with that I 490 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 11: had never met, and we had to figure out who 491 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 11: was going to what. And once we figured out, you know, 492 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 11: everyone set job on that first day, it was it 493 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 11: was like game. 494 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 12: You know. 495 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 11: I just remember also getting to the court at about 496 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 11: five am and there was no parking already and I'm like, okay, 497 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,199 Speaker 11: I'm gonna have to be here at four thirty to 498 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 11: make sure I get a parking spot. Because the office, 499 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 11: I realized with this case, especially the first day, they 500 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 11: were expecting me to be superwoman, the one who. 501 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 12: Always figures it out. 502 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 11: And I was just thinking to myself, what if I 503 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,239 Speaker 11: dropped the ball this time? What if I because it 504 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 11: was just so different, you know, and instead of me 505 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 11: knowing who's going to come out that door at like 506 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 11: say a Sherry Shepherd show, I didn't always know who 507 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 11: was going to come out the car. And then then 508 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 11: later on in the case, we had people like popping 509 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 11: up special guests, and then you had witnesses who didn't 510 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 11: look like witnesses. And it was just so many little 511 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 11: components that I didn't know I was going to have 512 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 11: to deal with. 513 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 12: But overall, I was excited and it was mayhem. 514 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 11: The first day when I tell you, everybody TikTok, everybody 515 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 11: you too, I said, what the heck? It was like 516 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 11: fifty something social media people screaming at themselves, screaming at 517 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 11: each other, screaming. 518 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 12: At you, talking to you. 519 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 4: It was. 520 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: It was a lot. 521 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 4: It was. 522 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 11: I was inundated with noises, and but I felt proud 523 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 11: to be there, and I knew I wanted to really 524 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 11: show up and show out, if that makes sense. 525 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 4: And died, yeah, okay, and you met me. 526 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: Yes. 527 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 15: So for me, I'm gonna be honest, it's a little selfish. 528 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 15: But you know, for one, I did want to go 529 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 15: because I had interest in the case, and I just 530 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 15: felt like, Wow, this is huge. But then too, personally, 531 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 15: i come from a place where I'm independent, and I've 532 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 15: always looked for, you know, a bigger platform to back me. 533 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 15: I've always wanted to be a part of a larger 534 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 15: come GLND. I've always wanted to be a part of 535 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 15: an iHeart or a major news station or a major 536 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 15: network to push me. 537 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 4: But it just seems like it never happened. 538 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 15: And so I told myself, listen, I'm gonna stop waiting 539 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 15: for people to give me opportunity and I'm just gonna 540 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 15: create my own opportunity. So for me, I said, I'm 541 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 15: not sitting around waiting for somebody to say, yeah, it's 542 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 15: okay for you to be a journalist. Oh yeah, it's 543 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 15: okay for you to go get the story. I said, 544 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 15: you know, once this case happens, I'm gonna be an icon. 545 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 4: I'm going to be a legend. 546 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 15: These people are gonna respect me, and I'm gonna get 547 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 15: out there and I'm going to create my own table 548 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 15: and I'm gonna do a damn good job at it. 549 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 15: So when the thing came, when the Cassie lawsuit first hit, 550 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 15: I told myself, Hey, I'm going to cover this case. 551 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,959 Speaker 15: I started saving my money. In January, I took out 552 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 15: a loan for thirty thousand dollars, booked to Airbnb and 553 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 15: soho Manhattan. I said, I don't care who's there, what's happening. 554 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 15: We're covering this case as the armaud Wiggan Show, okay, 555 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 15: and we're gonna go out there and do the best 556 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 15: that we can. You know, And for me, I just 557 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 15: knew that I had to go out there because I 558 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 15: was up against so many different people. It is gonna 559 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 15: be so many different personalities. I didn't know how I 560 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 15: was gonna navigate. I didn't know about press passes, I 561 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 15: didn't know about line sitters. I just knew that I 562 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 15: had to had a duty to get the story from 563 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 15: my audience. And then two, as an independent, I was 564 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 15: going to create some space for me to put this 565 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 15: story out and I was gonna make an impact there. 566 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 15: And I felt like I did that, and I feel 567 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 15: like the story was interesting. And watching Diddy and seeing 568 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 15: his kids and seeing the fact that that man had 569 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 15: to be humbled, it really taught me a personal lesson 570 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 15: about you know, don't ever get to besides yourself, don't 571 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 15: ever get to arrogant don't ever get to cocky because 572 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 15: the universe, God has a way of humbling you in 573 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 15: front of everybody. And that was a big takeaway for me. 574 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 15: So I just thought it was a learning lesson. It 575 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 15: taught me people skills, because child. 576 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 4: Let me tell you something. I had got into it 577 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 4: with a lot of people that first first. That that 578 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 4: first okay, but you know, I was navigating a lot. 579 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 15: But I felt like I came out of that so 580 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 15: much better, so much stronger. And then I've gotten some 581 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 15: of the oppisodes, one of the greatest opportunities I've been 582 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 15: on television shows, radio. I finally got my chest shot 583 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 15: at radio, I got my shot on the news, and yeah, 584 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 15: a lot of great things have came from it, and 585 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 15: I've learned a lot and I met some great people. 586 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 4: So yeah, it was dope for me. 587 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,959 Speaker 14: For me, I would say. So I covered the arraignment 588 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 14: before that. 589 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 9: Once the lawsuit dropped, I usually break things down on 590 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 9: my TikTok anyway, So I broke that down and I 591 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 9: could see the interests and also the need to break 592 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 9: down these complex legal procedures and terms and what's happening 593 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 9: and do it in layman's terms, right, So I did that, 594 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 9: and then I covered the arraignment, and. 595 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 14: What was shocking to me. 596 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,479 Speaker 9: Was the transformation that did he made from the arraignment 597 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 9: where he was in a black T shirt. He was 598 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 9: kind of a little, you know, a little buff. He 599 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 9: was the person that we saw full head of black hair. 600 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 9: And then the first day when we saw him come 601 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 9: out in a crew next sweater with a collared shirt, 602 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,239 Speaker 9: full head of gray hair. This was the first time 603 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 9: I saw him in a really long time in my mind, 604 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 9: and I'm like, this was the guy who was the 605 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 9: king of New York right like you grew up seeing 606 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 9: him on TV. 607 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 14: He was celebrated for being a shrewd business. 608 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 9: Man and everything, the bad behavior, the making people walk 609 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 9: for cheesecake, all the things that he was doing and 610 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 9: was celebrated for in the two thousands with reality show. 611 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 9: On Reality show, I want to work for Diddy, making 612 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 9: the band, mistreating people. He is now in this courtroom 613 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 9: in the middle of Manhattan, and I for a while 614 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 9: was just trying to process all of that. 615 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 14: And then I will say that day, I. 616 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 9: Think it was two days later, maybe when Cassie first testified. 617 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 9: I again broke it down on my TikTok I think 618 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 9: what was really difficult to try to figure out as 619 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 9: well was the fact that you have no cell phone, 620 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 9: no electronic devices, you have a pen and paper, but 621 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 9: you still have to communicate with your producers. You still 622 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 9: have to communicate with the people who are back at 623 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 9: the office and who do not understand sometimes how all 624 00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 9: of this works, and they think like, Okay, just go 625 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 9: come back and make your hit and it'll be fine, 626 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 9: and trying to, you know, deal with what they were 627 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 9: looking for and try to meet those expectations. And then 628 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 9: at the end of Cassie's first day testifying, I went 629 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 9: back and kind of like armand you kind of just 630 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 9: have to do things that you're not being asked to do, right, 631 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 9: you carve out your own lane. So I was like, 632 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 9: you know what, I'm sure people will find this interesting. 633 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 9: So I went through my notes and I broke it down, 634 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 9: and I think that video did twenty million views. That's 635 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 9: how many people from around the world were just trying 636 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 9: to and I think, if you're shit, and then I 637 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 9: like shut my phone off and it was like, girl, 638 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 9: I don't know why you went to sleep, like I 639 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 9: need part two. And so then I realized the demand 640 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 9: and at one point, I was making three to four 641 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 9: videos a day. 642 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 14: I would go in. 643 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 9: Cover, sit through the trial the entire day, do my 644 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 9: hits between lunchtime, come out, do any updates. Then I 645 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 9: would go home and do three to four videos a day. 646 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 9: And it went on for like eight weeks. 647 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 14: It was a lot. I was burned down by the 648 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 14: end of it, but I did see the need. 649 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 9: To meet the audience where they're at. People are interested 650 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 9: in this, and they're not going to always look for 651 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 9: your report. 652 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 14: They're not going to always come to you. 653 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 9: And I think this is a valuable discussion as the 654 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 9: industry evolves, as media changes, how can we bring people information? 655 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 14: How can we also adapt so that we don't go 656 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 14: extinct because things are looking good sometimes. 657 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 6: So I want to ask you, guys Rapid Fire, if 658 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 6: you could answer in like twenty seconds, and I'll ask 659 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 6: each of you a different question. Lauren, I'll start with you, 660 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 6: as you're reporting and telling the story, what's the number 661 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 6: one thing you're taking into consideration. 662 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 3: As I was reporting and telling the story, the number 663 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 3: one thing I was taking into consideration is that any 664 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 3: other outlet is focused on one thing and it's always 665 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 3: like the big thing, like they want to go for like, 666 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 3: what is sensational? What is like you know, because there's 667 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 3: a lot to cover. So I was like, I'm gonna 668 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 3: tell you everything. If he's sweating, if he coughs, if 669 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 3: he like I just wanted to be that Like, so 670 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 3: you have the tmzs and the Rolling Stones, and you 671 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 3: know everybody's sitting here that had their dot coms. I 672 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 3: don't have a dot com. I just had my Instagram 673 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 3: at the breakfast club. So on my Instagram, my main 674 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 3: focus was let me tell you guys every single detail. 675 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 3: So you felt like you were literally like I was 676 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 3: vlogging the case basically, but that was my focus. And 677 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 3: I felt like the more I did that because I 678 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 3: did it the first day in the video ent viral 679 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,239 Speaker 3: and I never experienced that. So I was like, if 680 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 3: I do this a lot, people will come here after 681 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 3: they talk to everybody because I'll have things that people 682 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 3: may not get a chance to talk about. 683 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,479 Speaker 6: Jay, so much was seen and heard in that trial, 684 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 6: how were you able to process that? And I know personally, 685 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 6: when the jurors were looking at those sex videos, there 686 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 6: was a moment in the beginning where we could hear 687 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 6: certain sounds, but there were graphic details of combsists and 688 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 6: Cassie and people's sex lives, pictures of escorts. How do 689 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 6: you process something like that, even though again, I know 690 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 6: you've been covering colms for a while and covering the 691 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 6: streets to New York City, but it was a lot. 692 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 2: It was a lot. And you know, unlike unlike Lauren, 693 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,879 Speaker 2: unlike Armand, you know, where they can say what they want. 694 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 10: I mean, I was cracking up watching some of Armand's episodes, right, 695 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,879 Speaker 10: I mean, hilarious, man. 696 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,240 Speaker 2: But you know, we have the FCC to worry about. 697 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 10: So yeah, I mean, there was so much graphic material 698 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 10: and we had to figure out a way to kind 699 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 10: of filter it in a way that it did not 700 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 10: lose its impact. But at the same time, we stayed 701 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 10: within the guardrails of traditional broadcast news. We work for 702 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 10: a network, and content creators have evolved to become their 703 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 10: own network, and so yeah, there were some considerations that 704 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 10: we had to make. 705 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 6: Carla, what did you learn most from covering this trial? 706 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 8: You know, one of the biggest lessons came from Salaia Me. Yes, 707 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,760 Speaker 8: and I will tell this story over and over again 708 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 8: because you. 709 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 5: Know, like you said, it was exhausting. 710 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 8: Getting up early, having to log all of this information 711 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 8: by hand. 712 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:23,919 Speaker 5: And for me, I don't have a. 713 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 8: Producer, so I have multiple hits a day and I'm 714 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 8: creating graphics and I'm like, oh, there's a BlackBerry, so 715 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 8: let me make sure I have a graphic that has 716 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 8: a BlackBerry, and let me make sure I can make 717 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 8: this case that has no pictures and no video as 718 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 8: you know, as demonstrative as I possibly can. And so 719 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 8: I'm I really got into the details. And so the 720 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 8: next week Seleia was like, Celia, sorry, I always get 721 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 8: there wrong. She was like, did you go did you 722 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 8: do a social media I was like, I'm tired, I 723 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 8: cannot do. 724 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 5: I'm like, I just can't. I'm old, I'm tired. 725 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 8: She goes, no, this is what you have to do. 726 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 8: So she literally walk me through how to do a 727 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 8: TikTok in like seven minutes on the steps of the courthouse, 728 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 8: and you know, she was like, no, this is how 729 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 8: you record click click, and you can do the double 730 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 8: I'm like, oh, you know, and go to cap cut 731 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 8: and use this. And so I tell that story all 732 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 8: the time that I literally learned how to social media 733 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 8: from the queen next to me in this trial because 734 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,840 Speaker 8: and just such a healthy respect. 735 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 12: So yeah, that was your girl, you got it. So 736 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 12: Celia described trial day, Oh my god, well. 737 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 11: Intense and intense and also just like getting a lot 738 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 11: of demands from the office because one thing, I kind 739 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 11: of I didn't start it. I definitely didn't start it, 740 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,720 Speaker 11: but I think I've done it a lot. I realized 741 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 11: that they didn't say it, but they wanted viral. 742 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 12: But that makes sense. 743 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 11: They didn't say that, but they wanted that, and they 744 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,320 Speaker 11: didn't say go get something viral. 745 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 12: It was like, get what you can get. I'm like, okay, 746 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 12: you know. 747 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 11: So it was really intense, but I think, like Lauren said, 748 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 11: it was really important for us to get content that 749 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 11: other people weren't going to get. And every day it 750 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 11: was struggle to kind of be super creative and not 751 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 11: be redundant. So specifically on trial day, one of the 752 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 11: images that I got normally I would cover the front 753 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,360 Speaker 11: of the courthouse, and that one day, one of the 754 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 11: head producers said, Celia, go to the pack. I need 755 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 11: you to get the prosecutors and whoever else. 756 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 12: You can get. 757 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 11: And I don't know, I was just standing there and 758 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 11: someone just walks by and he had a backpack on 759 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 11: I'm like, he looks like the judge filmed him, and 760 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 11: then they were like, Celia, that was the judge and 761 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 11: that went viral and they were like. 762 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,800 Speaker 12: Hey, we need more of this every day. 763 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 11: So it kind of I feel like I felt that 764 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 11: pressure to repeat that every single day and to create 765 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 11: fireroom moments every day, and I think we started to 766 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,720 Speaker 11: become the lead of all the people that were outside 767 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 11: getting outside content on what was important. And it was 768 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 11: nerve wracking because every day it was like trying to 769 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 11: beat and top what you got that first day. And 770 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 11: we got that like seven am in the morning, so 771 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 11: then it was like, okay, at noon, make sure you 772 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 11: guys get this. So it was constant struggle to top 773 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 11: each clip to go viral. 774 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 6: To Darlas point, I remember watching where you were going 775 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 6: when there were the rumors about Kanye. I said, I'm 776 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 6: following Celia, Selia gonna know where Kanye is at. 777 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,839 Speaker 11: Oh wait, really quickly, I just did a video on that. Yeah, 778 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 11: I just did a video on that on my Instagram 779 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 11: and ten seconds vet every tip. 780 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 12: If you are a journalist, some random. 781 00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,359 Speaker 11: Kid that's like twenty years old, he's out there covering 782 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 11: the case he kept me saying Kanye was gonna come. 783 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 11: Everybody's like he's crazy. And I made a phone call 784 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,319 Speaker 11: and confirmed that Kanye was in New York City and 785 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 11: the rest is history. And the next day and no 786 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 11: one believed me, and the next day he came to 787 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 11: the court. 788 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:16,319 Speaker 6: I believe you, Mona. In terms of the sentencing day, 789 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 6: if you can describe the mood, because I feel like 790 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 6: it's tense and for me, everything that we learned was 791 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 6: coming to ahead. In terms of people also asking predict 792 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 6: what do you think how much time do you think 793 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 6: is going to get? It's like, we're not attorneys, but 794 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,759 Speaker 6: it was the moment where you knew he could get 795 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 6: as much as twenty or he could get you know, 796 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 6: something a lot lower, which he obviously did. But just 797 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 6: describe the atmosphere inside and sort of outside the courtroom. 798 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 14: Yeah, I'll start with verdict day. 799 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,840 Speaker 9: I mean, it was something that inside the courtroom for 800 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:52,840 Speaker 9: Team Diddy was celebratory. 801 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,600 Speaker 14: They beat the Feds, and then that messaging kind. 802 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 9: Of permeated through to the public where everyone was like, 803 00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 9: oh my god, he beat the Feds, he beat the cave. 804 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 9: But that wasn't the case. Obviously, he was still found 805 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 9: guilty on two counts. But I feel like there was 806 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,719 Speaker 9: this idea of you know, this was a hit for 807 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,719 Speaker 9: the me too movement, and you know, he's not going 808 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 9: to be held accountable. But then as different motions were 809 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 9: happening for there was like about two three month gap, 810 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 9: right it, guys can for two months right between the yeah, 811 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 9: between the verdict and the sentencing, and there are different 812 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 9: motions and you realize that the judge, particularly when he 813 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 9: did not let him walk out on veil after the verdict, 814 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 9: you could tell that the judge was going to hold 815 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 9: him accountable. But what that looked like he could get 816 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 9: anywhere up to twenty years, But he also was never 817 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,680 Speaker 9: he wasn't a previously convicted of a felony, right, he 818 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 9: had no record. The day of the verdict, again there 819 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 9: was that okay, is the judge going to throw the 820 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,360 Speaker 9: book at him? Is he going to make an example 821 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 9: out of him? And then the judge went on this 822 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 9: long speech after I mean, I would explain this as 823 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 9: you know, both sides described a completely different didty. You 824 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 9: had the prosecutor saying that this man still needs to 825 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 9: be held accountable even though he wasn't found guilty for 826 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 9: what he did to Cassie, what he did to Jane. 827 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 9: He still exhibited violent behavior, he still used all of 828 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 9: his resources to control these women. And then the defense 829 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,280 Speaker 9: was making it seem like, oh, no, he was a john, 830 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,359 Speaker 9: he was just engaging in prostitution services. He wasn't even 831 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 9: running the prostitution services, right, And then came in the 832 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 9: judge who basically said that Cassie and Jane were so 833 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 9: brave for sharing their story, and this is a man 834 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,479 Speaker 9: who's gotten away with a lot for a very long 835 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,760 Speaker 9: time and is a violent person, has a history. 836 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:43,560 Speaker 14: Of being violent. 837 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,280 Speaker 9: And then when he read his sentence of fifty months, 838 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,440 Speaker 9: I feel like you could see the air. 839 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:51,280 Speaker 14: Being sucked out of ditty. 840 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 9: Before that, his kids we heard from them for the 841 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 9: first time where his girls gave this powerful plea to 842 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 9: the judge where they were saying that this is their father. 843 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,520 Speaker 9: They already lost their mother. And I will say I 844 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,359 Speaker 9: started getting emotional. These are two young three young girls 845 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,840 Speaker 9: who are eighteen and nineteen years old, and for the 846 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,320 Speaker 9: comes twins, we know that they lost their mother a kimporter, 847 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,640 Speaker 9: and to say that again they were going to lose 848 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,920 Speaker 9: their father. They already he already missed graduation and prom 849 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 9: So I will say for me, I kind of didn't 850 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,360 Speaker 9: know exactly which way it was going to go because 851 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,480 Speaker 9: it all rest on if the judge was going to 852 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,040 Speaker 9: make an example out of him or if what his 853 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 9: children said really did affect the judge. 854 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,640 Speaker 14: But I think he kind of fell somewhere in the middle. 855 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 6: I would say for me, Armand there are times I think, yes, 856 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:43,759 Speaker 6: I'm ready. There are times as journalists, as producers I 857 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,040 Speaker 6: would imagine as a content creator where you feel like 858 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,800 Speaker 6: you grew up because we don't cover these types of 859 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,920 Speaker 6: stories every day. Do you think this trial did that 860 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,560 Speaker 6: for you? And how are you a different person as 861 00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,240 Speaker 6: a result of covering this case? 862 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,400 Speaker 15: Yeah, I definitely feel like I grew up, and I 863 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,399 Speaker 15: feel like I have the stamina to do a lot 864 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,880 Speaker 15: more and I feel like, you know, the stretch that 865 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,280 Speaker 15: I was looking for I got. 866 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:10,040 Speaker 4: I got. 867 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:14,799 Speaker 15: I felt more inspired, and I realized where my superpower 868 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,920 Speaker 15: lies within this space and I and it makes me 869 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,920 Speaker 15: appreciate everybody in media because. 870 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 4: For me, specifically our storytelling. 871 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,160 Speaker 15: You know, I think for me, like the way that 872 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 15: I did this case, like you would see everybody going 873 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 15: out going live in front of the courthouse or outside 874 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 15: the courthouse during every break. I didn't do that or 875 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 15: people would you know, you guys had your hits and 876 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 15: stuff like that. For me, I would wait till the 877 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,520 Speaker 15: end of the night because I know that, you know, 878 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,800 Speaker 15: once traditional media gets the story out, everybody time everyone 879 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,799 Speaker 15: gets to me, everybody knows what happened. I'm not there 880 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 15: to report to you play by play, like what happened 881 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 15: and have it all buttoned up. I'm here now here's 882 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,480 Speaker 15: we all know what happened. Sit and let's talk about 883 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:05,640 Speaker 15: it from a more raw, unfiltered lens and like I'm 884 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 15: going to give you the nuances kind of like Laura 885 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,040 Speaker 15: la Rossa was saying, like what did he look like? 886 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,480 Speaker 4: What was the hair? What did the outfit give? 887 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 16: Like? 888 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:13,760 Speaker 4: What was the posture? 889 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,040 Speaker 15: You know, And let's really have the conversations that once 890 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 15: we read the article, once we see what they say 891 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 15: on the news, what are we sitting around the table 892 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,920 Speaker 15: and how are we discussing what we've actually consumed or 893 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 15: what we watched or what we read. And I felt 894 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,400 Speaker 15: like for me, I found my spot where I was 895 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,360 Speaker 15: like I don't have to be this buttoned up version 896 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,359 Speaker 15: of like what a reporter supposed to be, because there's 897 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,400 Speaker 15: a space for that person to sit back and be like, 898 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,239 Speaker 15: all right, now this is now, we know what's going on. 899 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:43,680 Speaker 4: Now let's really get into it. 900 00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 15: And you know, this case, for me, a lot of 901 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,719 Speaker 15: people kind of they had mixed feelings about how I 902 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,959 Speaker 15: was reporting it, but I felt like it was such 903 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:55,839 Speaker 15: a dark and kind of like sexual case that at 904 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,520 Speaker 15: some point like we had to kind of make light 905 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,680 Speaker 15: of it just a little bit because all of the stuff, 906 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,520 Speaker 15: even though it was kind of creepy, it was funny, 907 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,759 Speaker 15: you know what I mean, in an interesting way. 908 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,560 Speaker 4: And so I thought that, you know, for the people back. 909 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,480 Speaker 15: At home, you know, sitting in court every day, it's 910 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,799 Speaker 15: not the funnest thing, you know, and reading a bunch 911 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,920 Speaker 15: of paperwork, a bunch of words on the paper on 912 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,239 Speaker 15: your screen, that's boring. So my thing was I didn't 913 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,640 Speaker 15: want people to feel like they were sitting in court 914 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:22,319 Speaker 15: again with me. 915 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,400 Speaker 4: So the idea was, all right, I'm gonna sit. 916 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,360 Speaker 15: In court, y'all read the news or y'all read your articles, 917 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,200 Speaker 15: and then when we come back, we're gonna have fun 918 00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 15: with this story, and I'm gonna tell you the little 919 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,000 Speaker 15: things that I noticed that I seen or you know, 920 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,040 Speaker 15: things that may I feel like other people may have 921 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,360 Speaker 15: left out. And so I think that I think that 922 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,480 Speaker 15: I grew a lot, and I think that I gained 923 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,360 Speaker 15: a lot of confidence to where, you know now, I'm 924 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,640 Speaker 15: not intimidated to say, yeah, I cover trials in the past. 925 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,799 Speaker 15: I will be well, I'm not a reporter. I don't 926 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,759 Speaker 15: have a journalism degree. I don't think i'm no. I 927 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,920 Speaker 15: think I'm good enough and I think I can do it, 928 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,799 Speaker 15: and I think I know my lane and I feel 929 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,560 Speaker 15: like I've grown, and you know, the the biggest thing 930 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,120 Speaker 15: for me was the fact that my parents were proud 931 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,360 Speaker 15: of me, you know, and people were inspired by me, 932 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,839 Speaker 15: and you know, not to toot my own horn, but 933 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,280 Speaker 15: I feel like, you know, once they saw me up there, 934 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,359 Speaker 15: and a lot of people saw me there, we were 935 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,560 Speaker 15: getting those numbers and we were going viral everybody, and 936 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,720 Speaker 15: they mama flew out with an iPhone and started doing 937 00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,840 Speaker 15: YouTube videos and tiktoks like it's no shade. So I 938 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,840 Speaker 15: feel like we've inspired a community of creators, and you know, 939 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:26,160 Speaker 15: I think that was great. 940 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:27,879 Speaker 4: Thank you. 941 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,200 Speaker 6: I want to open it up now to Q and 942 00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,319 Speaker 6: A if you guys had any questions and I'll come 943 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:43,000 Speaker 6: out to you. 944 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:50,879 Speaker 12: And tell us who you are. 945 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,160 Speaker 16: Okay, Hi everyone, my name is Asia Alexander. 946 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:55,600 Speaker 1: This is really inspiring. 947 00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,799 Speaker 16: Great panel, by the way, But I was wondering if 948 00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 16: you guys ever had any like death threats or like 949 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,400 Speaker 16: anything come to you guys while covering this case, because 950 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:05,879 Speaker 16: I know that could be a real big thing when 951 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,800 Speaker 16: you're talking about like mafia's. 952 00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:08,520 Speaker 6: And all that kind of stuff. 953 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,160 Speaker 4: Oh, well, I can jump in there. 954 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,600 Speaker 15: I'll just say for me, I don't know if it's 955 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,200 Speaker 15: necessarily well, I did get some death threats. Well, there 956 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,880 Speaker 15: was a woman who attacked me outside the courthouse. 957 00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:18,680 Speaker 4: I don't know. 958 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,880 Speaker 15: She came and started attacking me out of nowhere for Diddy. 959 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:27,040 Speaker 15: She was harassing me, following me. Everybody was telling me 960 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,640 Speaker 15: to go inside. It was just really really weird. And 961 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,400 Speaker 15: this is the thing about the cases too, because it 962 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,239 Speaker 15: made me feel a little bit uncomfortable about going to 963 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,319 Speaker 15: cases because it's such a public place. You do have 964 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,000 Speaker 15: to watch when you have visibility, people will try to 965 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:42,160 Speaker 15: get cloud off of you. 966 00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:43,320 Speaker 4: It's really really weird. 967 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,680 Speaker 15: So they have people that are looking for moments, and 968 00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,040 Speaker 15: then they have people that are just kind of crazed fans, 969 00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,280 Speaker 15: So you always have to protect yourself out there because 970 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,360 Speaker 15: people really will get over stimulated and try to attack you. 971 00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,719 Speaker 15: I mean I've been I was harassed, Lauren was harassed. 972 00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,360 Speaker 15: It was crazy out there. 973 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,120 Speaker 12: Yes, I go, are you gonna tell? 974 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:05,319 Speaker 6: Well? 975 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:06,720 Speaker 12: I was gonna just I mean really quickly. 976 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:12,080 Speaker 11: People actually came down to the court to see people. Yeah, 977 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:13,759 Speaker 11: Like people came to visit Lauren. 978 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,520 Speaker 12: People came to visit on my and I was surprised. 979 00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,560 Speaker 11: People would say, hey, you're that girl from TMZ right, 980 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,719 Speaker 11: and I'm like, and I couldn't say no because my 981 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,920 Speaker 11: phone had a big TMZ on the back of it. 982 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,640 Speaker 11: But people, and honestly, even people who I didn't have 983 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,440 Speaker 11: communication with in years, came to visit me at the court, 984 00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,160 Speaker 11: and I don't really know how I felt about that. 985 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,640 Speaker 11: So that's the one thing I didn't love about the 986 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:40,640 Speaker 11: court was having people show up just to like see 987 00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:41,719 Speaker 11: what's going on. 988 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:42,800 Speaker 12: And what the hype was about. 989 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,080 Speaker 11: Even though the police were there, I didn't feel like 990 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,080 Speaker 11: they were going to help them help people jump or 991 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,120 Speaker 11: get off me if if somebody did jump on me, 992 00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:50,000 Speaker 11: so whatever. 993 00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,960 Speaker 8: But yeah, I will say I did speak to a 994 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:57,280 Speaker 8: content creator who had been threatened. They threatened sexual violence 995 00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:02,560 Speaker 8: against her and physical violence. And one thing I told her, 996 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,800 Speaker 8: I said, this is New York City. You go report 997 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,960 Speaker 8: that to the NYPD. You keep track of that. So 998 00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,399 Speaker 8: I was happy to be that voice. And I would 999 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,920 Speaker 8: tell anyone in this room listening, if you are threatened, 1000 00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,799 Speaker 8: don't brush it off, report it immediately. Just don't play 1001 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,440 Speaker 8: like that. And that was the advice I gave this 1002 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,640 Speaker 8: particular content creator who thought, well, I don't want to 1003 00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,239 Speaker 8: be extra, I don't want to be too much. And 1004 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,839 Speaker 8: I was like, absolutely not. That is nothing to play 1005 00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:33,560 Speaker 8: around with. So that did happen? 1006 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,160 Speaker 5: Did Hi? 1007 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:37,520 Speaker 6: You guys? 1008 00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:38,400 Speaker 5: My name is Chelsea. 1009 00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,560 Speaker 17: I am and while you graduate student, this is my 1010 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:46,960 Speaker 17: professor right here. I am also a freelance production coordinator 1011 00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,440 Speaker 17: and social video manager for one of the public affair 1012 00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,279 Speaker 17: sials at ABC seven. And the question that I have 1013 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,120 Speaker 17: is what did this teach you about the algorithm or 1014 00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,560 Speaker 17: how people engage with your content. I hear a lot 1015 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,759 Speaker 17: the way you report things on TikTok is different than Instagram. 1016 00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,960 Speaker 5: So there's one thing that it taught you. 1017 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:06,120 Speaker 12: What would it be? 1018 00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,480 Speaker 3: I think it taught me that that whole it's saturated 1019 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,440 Speaker 3: conversation doesn't matter when you get at what you do 1020 00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:17,000 Speaker 3: because the first day, from like the jewelry selection to 1021 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,560 Speaker 3: the first day of trial to the last day, the 1022 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,960 Speaker 3: number of content creators and people they're covering it grew. 1023 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,239 Speaker 3: Some days it was like kind of chill when certain 1024 00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,200 Speaker 3: things weren't going on. But we literally in real time 1025 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,759 Speaker 3: watch the world realize, oh, we're not gonna get this 1026 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,440 Speaker 3: from just our regular outlets. We need to be everywhere, 1027 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,799 Speaker 3: so we need to be on the legacy media, on 1028 00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,239 Speaker 3: social all these things. So it's very saturate. Like it 1029 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,520 Speaker 3: got to a point where outside of the courtroom you 1030 00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,520 Speaker 3: wouldn't even kind of want to record anything because people 1031 00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,560 Speaker 3: are recording you recorded. There's just so much going on. 1032 00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:53,480 Speaker 3: But my numbers never stopped growing, like at all. People 1033 00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,880 Speaker 3: still found me and still found what they wanted to 1034 00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,640 Speaker 3: get from me. Like my numbers grew insanely, and yes, 1035 00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,560 Speaker 3: saw all. So, I mean, I'd already kind of knew 1036 00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,640 Speaker 3: that different platforms are for different things, but I think 1037 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:05,719 Speaker 3: that the Diddy. 1038 00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:06,880 Speaker 1: Trial really. 1039 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,960 Speaker 3: It just really taught me just I guess, like the 1040 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,560 Speaker 3: importance of social media. Like I knew that when I 1041 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,479 Speaker 3: left TMZ, I told myself that there was no one 1042 00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,200 Speaker 3: on social media who was actually vetting certain things but 1043 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,000 Speaker 3: also able to kind of like be out get with 1044 00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,359 Speaker 3: certain things, understand what's happening culturally, really be outside right 1045 00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,360 Speaker 3: and know what's happening, like not be disconnected from the 1046 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,879 Speaker 3: world and people and things. So I was like, that's it, 1047 00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,960 Speaker 3: Like that's me naturally, I'm going to lean into that. 1048 00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,799 Speaker 3: But during the Diddy trial, I think that was the 1049 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,840 Speaker 3: first time ever in my life and in my career 1050 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,799 Speaker 3: where it was and it wasn't about an outlet, Like 1051 00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,680 Speaker 3: people were listening to me because they wanted to hear 1052 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,520 Speaker 3: me and hear certain things. And I think the same 1053 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,280 Speaker 3: thing happened for everybody, even if you were with the outlet. 1054 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,160 Speaker 14: People were looking for certain people. 1055 00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,000 Speaker 3: So it just made me realize, like I mean, people say, oh, 1056 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,160 Speaker 3: social media is so saturated and this and that, and 1057 00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:58,880 Speaker 3: I'm like, you can go at what you do and 1058 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,480 Speaker 3: you cutting through that's what you doing, Like none of 1059 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:02,040 Speaker 3: that matters. 1060 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,319 Speaker 1: People will come and find what they need. 1061 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,160 Speaker 5: To chime in on that. 1062 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,800 Speaker 8: I think it taught that the algorithms really don't matter really, 1063 00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,160 Speaker 8: just like Lauren and everyone else has said. For example, 1064 00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,440 Speaker 8: I had no idea what I was doing when Seleia 1065 00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:20,160 Speaker 8: taught me. But I know that some of the shorts 1066 00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:24,000 Speaker 8: that I did based on your tutelage, they were like 1067 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:30,240 Speaker 8: part of the YouTube top five shorts globally based on whatever. 1068 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,080 Speaker 8: So it just taught me it doesn't really matter. Good 1069 00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,040 Speaker 8: content is good content, and people when they can't get 1070 00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:41,240 Speaker 8: enough of something, they're going to The algorithm just doesn't 1071 00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,480 Speaker 8: really make that much of a difference. 1072 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:44,960 Speaker 5: To add. 1073 00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,759 Speaker 4: It's it's about giving value. That's it. 1074 00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,560 Speaker 15: Like I'd never worried about the algorithm one time. I 1075 00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,880 Speaker 15: never chased it. Like I was saying before, everybody was 1076 00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,239 Speaker 15: going live and getting hundreds of thousands of views during 1077 00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,799 Speaker 15: the day. I literally went live once a day at 1078 00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,200 Speaker 15: six sometimes nine clock at night, and I didn't I 1079 00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:06,000 Speaker 15: gained hundreds of thousands of followers, and my numbers were 1080 00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,800 Speaker 15: always up, like we had twenty thousand and thirty thousand people, 1081 00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,120 Speaker 15: like every single day. It didn't matter what happened throughout 1082 00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,480 Speaker 15: the day. So I would wait everybody. I would meet 1083 00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,319 Speaker 15: me and Lauren and Silly. We would go to eat 1084 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:21,320 Speaker 15: chicken and we would go baste. I was not running 1085 00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,000 Speaker 15: out of the court like there were some people. 1086 00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:23,960 Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie. 1087 00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:25,600 Speaker 15: There were people that were running out of the courtroom 1088 00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,359 Speaker 15: trying to be as soon as something would be said, 1089 00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:28,880 Speaker 15: they would run out of the corporroom to try to 1090 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:29,280 Speaker 15: be first. 1091 00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,719 Speaker 4: I never got flustered with that because I. 1092 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,280 Speaker 15: Knew what I knew and knew where my power landed, 1093 00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,440 Speaker 15: and I knew that I was gonna be able to deliver. 1094 00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,439 Speaker 15: I don't chase the algorithms because that's when you don't 1095 00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,200 Speaker 15: get that double meaning of that algorithm, or you don't 1096 00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,960 Speaker 15: get that initial hit that you've maybe gotten it once before. 1097 00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:46,840 Speaker 15: If you don't get it again, you don't feel like 1098 00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,439 Speaker 15: you're good enough. And so for me, I just get 1099 00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,120 Speaker 15: on camera. I'm gonna do my thing. 1100 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:53,399 Speaker 12: Can I say one thing too. 1101 00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:55,920 Speaker 3: I come from TMZ and I was there for eight 1102 00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,680 Speaker 3: years when I started, as I was on the tour bus. 1103 00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:00,400 Speaker 1: When I left, I was seeing news producer. 1104 00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:00,640 Speaker 5: Right. 1105 00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,600 Speaker 3: So when you have been in a newsroom like that, 1106 00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:05,960 Speaker 3: you are literally trained to go like you are a sniper. 1107 00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,080 Speaker 3: I swear like I don't know nothing but to be 1108 00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,640 Speaker 3: first and to live brief, starve or you don't eat period. 1109 00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,520 Speaker 3: Literally they will fire you. That has been my life 1110 00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,120 Speaker 3: for eight years. And then I come to breakfast club 1111 00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,000 Speaker 3: and things still are there, but it changes because your 1112 00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,440 Speaker 3: person now and also everybody hangs on your word. I 1113 00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,600 Speaker 3: had a hard lesson just trying to learn you don't 1114 00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,680 Speaker 3: have to be first backing off of what our mama 1115 00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,719 Speaker 3: was saying. Right with the Diddy trial in the beginning, 1116 00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,720 Speaker 3: I was always so worried about that. Toward the middle 1117 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,000 Speaker 3: of it, when I started realizing, like, no people are 1118 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,880 Speaker 3: really paying attention, I was like, I actually want to 1119 00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,719 Speaker 3: have something to say, Like I don't want to just 1120 00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,000 Speaker 3: tell you guys what's happening. 1121 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:44,680 Speaker 12: I'm going to do. 1122 00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,160 Speaker 3: That, but like, I also think you're here too, because 1123 00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,719 Speaker 3: it's like culturally, you want to kind of understand where 1124 00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,359 Speaker 3: my mind is like as a person, and I really 1125 00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,319 Speaker 3: want to process what I just heard, so there'd be 1126 00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,680 Speaker 3: some nice where Like my podcast is supposed to be 1127 00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,000 Speaker 3: live at six, I might not even do a pot 1128 00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,920 Speaker 3: guest episode that day. I would wait and literally tell 1129 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:04,399 Speaker 3: my audience show. I didn't really know how I felt 1130 00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,600 Speaker 3: when I left court today, and that was such a 1131 00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,239 Speaker 3: eye changing moment for me as a journalist, because I 1132 00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,759 Speaker 3: think because things move so fast, and especially in a 1133 00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:13,399 Speaker 3: lot of newsrooms, I mean, you do have to be 1134 00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,920 Speaker 3: first and finance on a lot of things. But man, 1135 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,920 Speaker 3: it's so important today to have something to say for 1136 00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,919 Speaker 3: real outside of just being factual, because there's so much 1137 00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,200 Speaker 3: stuff that is just like what are you talking about. 1138 00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,080 Speaker 3: I didn't really understand the power of that until this 1139 00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,040 Speaker 3: trial also and being. 1140 00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,160 Speaker 14: Right, yeah, no exactly. 1141 00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:34,160 Speaker 9: So from my experience, I would say that I use 1142 00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,000 Speaker 9: the skills that I acquired from legacy media, like my 1143 00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,720 Speaker 9: twelve year career, about using a hook, framing the story 1144 00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,680 Speaker 9: so that people can digest it, giving the details that matter, 1145 00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,480 Speaker 9: not giving every single detail, but like what is this 1146 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,279 Speaker 9: adding to the story? And so I kind of framed 1147 00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,360 Speaker 9: all my tiktoks like that. But then I've been on 1148 00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,480 Speaker 9: TikTok for a few years now and so I know, 1149 00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:55,240 Speaker 9: cut out the braths. 1150 00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:56,960 Speaker 14: Don't start by. 1151 00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,160 Speaker 9: Saying okay, guys today, we got no like really at 1152 00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,520 Speaker 9: them with the hook. And so mixing those two I 1153 00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:06,120 Speaker 9: realized that it would just trigger the algorithm. And then 1154 00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:10,279 Speaker 9: the people want to hear because you're concise, you're giving 1155 00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,880 Speaker 9: the facts. You're giving them details that they didn't have 1156 00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,600 Speaker 9: in court, you know, was he rubbing his hands? They 1157 00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,080 Speaker 9: wanted to know, was what were the jurors doing. Were 1158 00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,360 Speaker 9: they laughing, were they smiling, were they crying? And giving 1159 00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:22,120 Speaker 9: those details. 1160 00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:23,799 Speaker 14: I feel like was. 1161 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,839 Speaker 9: The advantage the fact that we were in the courtroom, 1162 00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:28,839 Speaker 9: that we were there and they were there every day, 1163 00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:30,239 Speaker 9: and that you could be reliable. 1164 00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,040 Speaker 14: Also the consistency. You knew that every night I was 1165 00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:33,279 Speaker 14: going to. 1166 00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,640 Speaker 9: Give you at least three to four videos, and if 1167 00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:37,880 Speaker 9: I didn't immediately in the morning I would as well. 1168 00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,960 Speaker 9: I think where some of the other reporters struggled, like 1169 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,920 Speaker 9: if you were with CBS, NBC, ABC, is that it 1170 00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,799 Speaker 9: was such a hard shift to now like okay, well 1171 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,960 Speaker 9: now you guys need to go make TikTok videos And 1172 00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,160 Speaker 9: it was just like okay, and they're fixing their camera 1173 00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:00,560 Speaker 9: and starting the sentence with like okay and many words 1174 00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:02,680 Speaker 9: too many brass like we gotta we gotta jump right 1175 00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:06,960 Speaker 9: to it. And so I could see how you know, 1176 00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,360 Speaker 9: it's a powerful tool and how it can be utilized, 1177 00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:13,200 Speaker 9: but also the skills that you learn for storytelling and 1178 00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,960 Speaker 9: being factually accurate and structuring the story in a way 1179 00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,520 Speaker 9: that people can understand it and why should you care? 1180 00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:19,880 Speaker 5: Right? 1181 00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,920 Speaker 9: The why of it all is important, and that's things 1182 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,400 Speaker 9: that you know, whether you're reporting on the five o'clock 1183 00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:29,840 Speaker 9: news or you're sharing a TikTok. Don't change and they're transferable. 1184 00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:33,760 Speaker 11: Skills really really quickly ten seconds. I think social media wise, 1185 00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:41,720 Speaker 11: TMD dominated because we constantly stay true to TMZ. We 1186 00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:45,280 Speaker 11: didn't try to switch up because we're covering case. No, 1187 00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,920 Speaker 11: it was we're gonna get you walking in, We're gonna 1188 00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,960 Speaker 11: chase you down the block. And literally when the lawyers 1189 00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,400 Speaker 11: would come out, people would laugh at me. At first, 1190 00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,560 Speaker 11: I would go, I would be walking backwards. What do 1191 00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:59,280 Speaker 11: you think happened? Either, they didn't say anything. People wanted 1192 00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,760 Speaker 11: that footage and when teens would post it, it would go crazy. 1193 00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,040 Speaker 11: So we stay true to the brand. I'm going to 1194 00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,560 Speaker 11: chase you down because that's what I do, and it 1195 00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,880 Speaker 11: worked out for us. We never shifted from that. As 1196 00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:16,200 Speaker 11: far as street coverage, eh oh, I. 1197 00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,320 Speaker 10: Just wanted to add something and then, you know what, 1198 00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:19,280 Speaker 10: let's hear your question. 1199 00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:20,720 Speaker 2: I don't want to take time away from you. 1200 00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:25,440 Speaker 18: So hi everyone. My name is Crystal and I'm a producer. 1201 00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,720 Speaker 18: I'm currently working in documentary. First, I want to say 1202 00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:32,120 Speaker 18: I love that you were collaborative with Darla and supporting 1203 00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,880 Speaker 18: each other in the field, but also as a producer, 1204 00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,400 Speaker 18: something you said kind of raised the red flag for me. 1205 00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,200 Speaker 18: So I did a documentary series in Dallas where I 1206 00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:45,720 Speaker 18: filmed with a judge, and you filming a judge in 1207 00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,400 Speaker 18: turning a building. It raises ethical concerns for me because 1208 00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,720 Speaker 18: the judge I filmed within Dallas, they have a separate 1209 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,280 Speaker 18: insurance for a reason. And as the young woman asked 1210 00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:59,600 Speaker 18: the question about your security, as Lauren is saying, you 1211 00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,520 Speaker 18: gotta first, right, this is one of the reasons why 1212 00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:06,000 Speaker 18: I transitioned out of local news into longer form storytelling. 1213 00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:10,360 Speaker 18: I'm like, where is the ethical concern or pause about 1214 00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,760 Speaker 18: this judge's safety as everyone is rushing to be first, 1215 00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,800 Speaker 18: rushing to hurry up and get it on there. As 1216 00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,440 Speaker 18: a producer, I'm concerned because I don't hear that moment 1217 00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,880 Speaker 18: for pause and reflection because everyone is just like, we 1218 00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,920 Speaker 18: gotta go. So I wonder if you guys can speak 1219 00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,760 Speaker 18: to how you handle that. Okay, I just need to just. 1220 00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,760 Speaker 8: Set the record straight, just on one thing that this 1221 00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:39,080 Speaker 8: is a sticking point for me. It's not just local news, right, 1222 00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,200 Speaker 8: So I know some people move away. I'm very passionate 1223 00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,480 Speaker 8: about the fact that I've been in local news for 1224 00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:48,600 Speaker 8: twenty years, and I always try to dispel myths about 1225 00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,080 Speaker 8: what it is we do and how we do things. 1226 00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,240 Speaker 8: And you're absolutely right, there has to be a moment. 1227 00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,840 Speaker 8: But in that it's a personal thing. So I don't 1228 00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,560 Speaker 8: want you to just say it's local news news or 1229 01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:04,800 Speaker 8: it's TikTok or whatever it's it's a reflection of that person. 1230 01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,960 Speaker 8: So I always have to, like, you know, throw a 1231 01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,320 Speaker 8: little flag on the play when someone says, oh, I 1232 01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:14,480 Speaker 8: don't like local news for that, because I think you're 1233 01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,760 Speaker 8: just painting a broad brush for an industry when it's 1234 01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:19,840 Speaker 8: still about that individual journalist. 1235 01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:21,840 Speaker 5: I just had to just jump in and say that, really. 1236 01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,400 Speaker 11: Quous, Well, I do want to speak to it, so 1237 01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,280 Speaker 11: I'm not gonna lie like, of course the company I 1238 01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:31,560 Speaker 11: work for. Of course, sometimes people we've had a history, 1239 01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:36,520 Speaker 11: you know, but I cannot speak for them because I will. 1240 01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,480 Speaker 12: Never do that. But overall there has been a history. 1241 01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:40,760 Speaker 12: I'll leave it at that. 1242 01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:44,600 Speaker 11: What I will say is when I did shoot that clip, 1243 01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,080 Speaker 11: I wasn't sure how it was going to be received. 1244 01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,680 Speaker 11: But I also am not the person who approves those 1245 01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:53,479 Speaker 11: things either, so I sent it in like hmm, okay, 1246 01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:54,880 Speaker 11: let's see if they wanted, they'll use it. 1247 01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:55,200 Speaker 4: If not. 1248 01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:57,600 Speaker 14: Did I feel a little bit worried about. 1249 01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,200 Speaker 11: It, Yes, but I also kind of felt like, Okay, okay, 1250 01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:03,880 Speaker 11: what's done is done. The next day, we continue to 1251 01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:08,040 Speaker 11: shoot the entire prosecutor judge, everyone coming in. 1252 01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,880 Speaker 12: What we did not do was we did. 1253 01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:14,280 Speaker 11: Not, of course shoot people who were hidden witnesses or 1254 01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:19,160 Speaker 11: try to find those witnesses. We also did not publicly 1255 01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:22,280 Speaker 11: say the names of witnesses that we probably didn't know 1256 01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,800 Speaker 11: who they were. And I stand by that. I feel 1257 01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:26,680 Speaker 11: like we did a great job. I feel like I 1258 01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:28,880 Speaker 11: did a great job. I do see where it does 1259 01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:34,920 Speaker 11: raise some ethically, maybe some immoral, but I feel like 1260 01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:39,600 Speaker 11: overall we set the tone for the way the rest 1261 01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:41,080 Speaker 11: of the child was going to go. I feel like 1262 01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:45,120 Speaker 11: everyone started to follow suit and started to try to 1263 01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:46,600 Speaker 11: create content that was off the wall. 1264 01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,400 Speaker 3: I also think there were already profiles on the judge 1265 01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:53,920 Speaker 3: as well too, Like so coming from TMZ and now 1266 01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:55,240 Speaker 3: being in a space where I have to make those 1267 01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:58,240 Speaker 3: same decisions because if not, I'm under fire. Right, it 1268 01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,959 Speaker 3: is a personal thing. That's number one will also say too, 1269 01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:03,440 Speaker 3: It's just that there's a job to do and how 1270 01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:05,920 Speaker 3: you do it, So there weren't profiles on the judge 1271 01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:07,959 Speaker 3: like I knew when I researched, and I read about 1272 01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:09,760 Speaker 3: this judge prior too, because I was trying to figure 1273 01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:11,240 Speaker 3: out what the case would be like, and the judge 1274 01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,720 Speaker 3: is important. When Selia grabbed that shot, TMC is not 1275 01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,720 Speaker 3: known for humanizing a lot of people and a lot 1276 01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,360 Speaker 3: of things right like no shade to them. I was there, cool, 1277 01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:20,640 Speaker 3: she can't say it. 1278 01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:21,040 Speaker 5: I will. 1279 01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,720 Speaker 3: But at the same time, that clip in that photo 1280 01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:25,760 Speaker 3: she got, he was wearing a backpack, he was listening 1281 01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,760 Speaker 3: to music. The conversation went from this is the judge, 1282 01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:30,640 Speaker 3: will he throw Diddy in jail for the rest of 1283 01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:33,240 Speaker 3: his life? To this judge is a person, he listens 1284 01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,800 Speaker 3: to music, he's young. It's set a different conversation, and 1285 01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,320 Speaker 3: I get what you're you're saying, but I think a 1286 01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:43,440 Speaker 3: lot of times in this people have to also have 1287 01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:47,480 Speaker 3: a conversation about There are certain stories that if Celia 1288 01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,840 Speaker 3: doesn't do the story, someone's going to do it. And 1289 01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:54,280 Speaker 3: the way she goes about it is something to say, okay, 1290 01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,280 Speaker 3: I mean and again it is above her being in 1291 01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,200 Speaker 3: the newsroom. I remember she would get clips and it 1292 01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,000 Speaker 3: would send it, and a lot of times we would 1293 01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,320 Speaker 3: look at things when I was there and I would say, Okay, 1294 01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:05,560 Speaker 3: I know that this is coming from Sali. 1295 01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:06,160 Speaker 6: I know her. 1296 01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,640 Speaker 3: I'm a black woman as well, so I know her heart. 1297 01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:10,400 Speaker 3: They don't care about that, and a lot of times 1298 01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:12,680 Speaker 3: you don't have leadership that does. She's not in control 1299 01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:14,800 Speaker 3: of that. But at the same time, there are those 1300 01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,000 Speaker 3: moments where when you put those things out, it does 1301 01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:19,840 Speaker 3: kind of like the opposite of what you're saying. And 1302 01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,200 Speaker 3: that was that moment for that judge. I remember the 1303 01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:25,000 Speaker 3: shot that she's talking about, and it's just it's an 1304 01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:28,080 Speaker 3: internal battle. I think if you choose a step away 1305 01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:31,240 Speaker 3: from it, I don't fall anybody because I chose to 1306 01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:34,200 Speaker 3: step away from a platform because I wanted to figure 1307 01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,520 Speaker 3: out was there a balance of sanity I can have. 1308 01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:38,480 Speaker 3: But at the same time, I do think that there 1309 01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:40,200 Speaker 3: are times where I'm like, man, I don't want to 1310 01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,800 Speaker 3: have to, but how can I bring my person into it? 1311 01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:45,720 Speaker 3: And that's the beauty the platform I'm at now, So 1312 01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:47,960 Speaker 3: I think it's about personal platform choice too. 1313 01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,000 Speaker 12: But lastly, I have. 1314 01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:55,200 Speaker 11: I was told this, I have the most published clips 1315 01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:58,440 Speaker 11: out of any field producer ever at TMZ. 1316 01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,800 Speaker 12: Let's put that on the table, right. I have been. 1317 01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:05,880 Speaker 11: Able to constantly talk to people who have never talked 1318 01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:10,160 Speaker 11: to TMZ. Halle Berry, jay Z two weeks ago, people 1319 01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:13,840 Speaker 11: who would run from us come to us now. Jada 1320 01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,960 Speaker 11: Pinkett never talked to TMZ. I've been able to break 1321 01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:21,480 Speaker 11: down those barriers because I am a human being first, 1322 01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:25,040 Speaker 11: and even down with the diddy ks, I had phone 1323 01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:28,080 Speaker 11: calls from some people who I cannot mention, who are 1324 01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,840 Speaker 11: linked to the family, that said they love you and 1325 01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,960 Speaker 11: they love watching your clips because you are so nice 1326 01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:37,760 Speaker 11: to them. So I stand by that stuff because it's real. 1327 01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:40,000 Speaker 11: People wouldn't say that if it wasn't real, and the 1328 01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:43,240 Speaker 11: numbers don't lie. And jay Z talking to me twice. 1329 01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,240 Speaker 11: The first time they didn't publish it. The second time, 1330 01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,800 Speaker 11: he said, Sis, I don't want to have to embarrass 1331 01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:50,560 Speaker 11: you today. I don't got a story for you, but 1332 01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:54,040 Speaker 11: I'm proud of you. This is my story, and I 1333 01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:55,840 Speaker 11: stand by everything that I shoot. 1334 01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,440 Speaker 10: Yes, I think I'm glad that I didn't say what 1335 01:04:58,480 --> 01:04:59,760 Speaker 10: I had to say a few minutes ago, and I'm 1336 01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,440 Speaker 10: glad for your question because I think multiple things are 1337 01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,840 Speaker 10: allowed to be true at the same time. What is 1338 01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:10,720 Speaker 10: true a is that social media is built on viral moments, 1339 01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:14,920 Speaker 10: as opposed to the traditional training that Jureika, myself and 1340 01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:18,040 Speaker 10: Darla and Mona that you have where you know, we're 1341 01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:19,920 Speaker 10: in local news and our job is to tell the 1342 01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:21,280 Speaker 10: story objectively. 1343 01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,640 Speaker 2: We're not supposed to insert our opinions. 1344 01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,240 Speaker 10: We're supposed to just give you the facts and the 1345 01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:30,080 Speaker 10: spirit of Walter Cronkite. But social media is built on 1346 01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:33,320 Speaker 10: viral moments. So we heard Selena talking about, oh, you know, 1347 01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,480 Speaker 10: like what's going to be viral next? Waking up every 1348 01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:38,280 Speaker 10: day worrying about how are you going to feed the beast. 1349 01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:41,320 Speaker 10: We're all feeding the beast, just in a different way. 1350 01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:43,880 Speaker 10: So I think that, you know, we're talking around a 1351 01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:46,840 Speaker 10: lot of things. I'm sorry, but there is an appetite 1352 01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:50,480 Speaker 10: for viral moments on social and I think that as 1353 01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:55,400 Speaker 10: a society we have been trained to only need. 1354 01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:57,400 Speaker 2: Here's an analogy. 1355 01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:58,680 Speaker 10: Do you remember when you were a kid, you had 1356 01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:02,080 Speaker 10: tropicana orange juice in the frozen thing in the freezer. 1357 01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:03,280 Speaker 2: I would eat that. 1358 01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,320 Speaker 10: My grandmother would be all over me, like she wait 1359 01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:07,920 Speaker 10: until I make the orange juice. You have to pour 1360 01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:10,800 Speaker 10: the water in it, like I just wanted to concentrate. 1361 01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,520 Speaker 10: And that's literally, it is right and by dating myself, 1362 01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:18,200 Speaker 10: but but that is literally what social media is. Everybody 1363 01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:21,240 Speaker 10: wants the orange juice concentrate. They don't want it diluted, 1364 01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,000 Speaker 10: they don't want it served to you in a glass. 1365 01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:25,680 Speaker 10: What is also true is there is an appetite for 1366 01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:29,320 Speaker 10: long form journalism. And so, you know, just as in 1367 01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:33,200 Speaker 10: legacy media, I have been you know, I'm grateful and 1368 01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:36,360 Speaker 10: fortunate enough to have my own show where I can 1369 01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:40,240 Speaker 10: do those long form stories, where Armand is able to 1370 01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:44,440 Speaker 10: sit down and do a two hour show and people 1371 01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:48,400 Speaker 10: are there for it. People the diminishing eyes, the audience 1372 01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:50,560 Speaker 10: that is on Legacy is there for my show, and 1373 01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:54,320 Speaker 10: everyone else is watching Armand right, and so there is, 1374 01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:56,920 Speaker 10: you know, an appetite for long form stuff. 1375 01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,240 Speaker 2: The breakfast, you know, like Lord is on the air 1376 01:06:59,280 --> 01:06:59,920 Speaker 2: for how many. 1377 01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,520 Speaker 1: Hours in the morning, three or four hours. 1378 01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:05,320 Speaker 10: Four hours. It's not just about the thirty second hit. 1379 01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:08,000 Speaker 10: It's not just about the one minute clip. They will 1380 01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:09,960 Speaker 10: sit there and listen to what Lauren has to say 1381 01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,160 Speaker 10: for hours. They would sit there and listen to what 1382 01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,120 Speaker 10: Armand has to say for hours. Sixty minutes is still 1383 01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:19,600 Speaker 10: where it is because it's good television fifteen minute pieces. 1384 01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,720 Speaker 2: So I think that, yeah, multiple things are allowed to 1385 01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:23,000 Speaker 2: be true. 1386 01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:24,920 Speaker 6: At the same time, before we asked another quick question, 1387 01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:26,919 Speaker 6: I know Mona wanted to jump in in the car lit. 1388 01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:28,560 Speaker 9: Jump in real quick because I think this is a 1389 01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:30,600 Speaker 9: conversation that goes beyond this table. 1390 01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:34,520 Speaker 14: I feel like where before there were. 1391 01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,960 Speaker 9: Gatekeepers, and this is a reason why a lot of 1392 01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:41,160 Speaker 9: people weren't able to get the opportunities that for example, 1393 01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:45,080 Speaker 9: I've been fortunate enough to have, because journalism is not easy. 1394 01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:49,280 Speaker 9: It wasn't easy to break into right and then getting 1395 01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:52,200 Speaker 9: our stories told was even harder. You had an uphill 1396 01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:54,800 Speaker 9: battle to fight. And so now with social media, it's 1397 01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:57,840 Speaker 9: allowed a new wave of people to enter the space 1398 01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:02,200 Speaker 9: and take up space. But with that comes some murky 1399 01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,720 Speaker 9: waters that we're navigating right where people for example, we're 1400 01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:10,120 Speaker 9: revealing the identity of witnesses that we're going under pseudonyms, 1401 01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:13,560 Speaker 9: and so you know, personally, I'm a decision not to 1402 01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:15,760 Speaker 9: do that, But that doesn't mean that everyone who you 1403 01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,960 Speaker 9: know walks in and is able to see the same 1404 01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:22,400 Speaker 9: court proceeding that that I'm watching won't go back and 1405 01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,759 Speaker 9: put two and two together and get those viral moments, 1406 01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:27,479 Speaker 9: and so I think it's not just about one clip. 1407 01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:31,519 Speaker 9: It's more about things are changing and how are we 1408 01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,960 Speaker 9: going to navigate that when the gatekeeper are gone? Which 1409 01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:36,880 Speaker 9: is great because now more people get opportunities. But the 1410 01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:39,759 Speaker 9: gatekeepers are gone, which means things are not being vetted. 1411 01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:42,719 Speaker 9: Ethic codes are not being you know, legal and standards 1412 01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,480 Speaker 9: are no longer you know, vetting everything. 1413 01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:47,479 Speaker 8: So I just want to add them in thirty seconds. 1414 01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,880 Speaker 8: Thirty seconds, I think to tie a bow on that. 1415 01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,920 Speaker 8: Thank you for that question, and I apologize. 1416 01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,960 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no, I'm actually glad you asked 1417 01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,000 Speaker 1: the girl. You aren't well be acting like you can't 1418 01:08:59,000 --> 01:08:59,439 Speaker 1: do both. 1419 01:08:59,560 --> 01:08:59,760 Speaker 5: Yeah. 1420 01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:04,759 Speaker 8: Yeah, let me just just say, every day of my career, 1421 01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:09,719 Speaker 8: every day that I'm gathering, I always have to answer 1422 01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:10,320 Speaker 8: that question. 1423 01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:11,160 Speaker 5: Right. 1424 01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,000 Speaker 8: So when I did a story today about a Jersey 1425 01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:18,599 Speaker 8: City police officer who just got arrested for sexual assault 1426 01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:26,680 Speaker 8: with a miner who was incapacitated, and you know, I 1427 01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:32,040 Speaker 8: had to have that conversation. WHOA, I had a conversation. Okay, 1428 01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:33,880 Speaker 8: do I show his life and children? 1429 01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:34,639 Speaker 5: Right? 1430 01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:40,120 Speaker 8: So so I think, yeah, So what I what I 1431 01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:44,799 Speaker 8: say is every day, every decision as a journalist, whether 1432 01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:49,879 Speaker 8: your legacy, whether you're armand whether you're Celeiah, Celia, Celia, 1433 01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:54,960 Speaker 8: Celia Mona. And that's why, you know, we thank Dareka 1434 01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,920 Speaker 8: for putting this panel together, because this is the panel 1435 01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,640 Speaker 8: that you ask the questions too, because we all have 1436 01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:05,360 Speaker 8: our different platforms, but you know, cream rises to the 1437 01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:08,960 Speaker 8: top when you answer when you ask that question. Guess what, 1438 01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:12,120 Speaker 8: Sometimes you're going to get it wrong right, sometimes you're 1439 01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:14,639 Speaker 8: going to get it right, but you learn from each time, 1440 01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:16,559 Speaker 8: so it doesn't matter. 1441 01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:16,920 Speaker 5: Right. 1442 01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:20,080 Speaker 8: We all have to ask in this world, in the 1443 01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:24,840 Speaker 8: murky waters, the buck stops with us, and it's good 1444 01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:25,799 Speaker 8: to ask that question. 1445 01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,040 Speaker 5: And sometimes it's just what it is. 1446 01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:40,000 Speaker 19: Shante from Short and Sweet Well, the trial obviously brought 1447 01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:43,760 Speaker 19: up so many triggering topics. What did you do specifically 1448 01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:48,160 Speaker 19: to trigger or not trigger, but center yourself in your 1449 01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:49,960 Speaker 19: personal life. 1450 01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:52,360 Speaker 3: I will go out for dinner and drinks with Arma 1451 01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:55,599 Speaker 3: and Celia a lot. And I also took a couple 1452 01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:57,360 Speaker 3: of days to just go to sleep and to not 1453 01:10:57,439 --> 01:10:59,800 Speaker 3: go to court like I needed to do that I 1454 01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,800 Speaker 3: was sleep It was one point I was sleepwalking so bad. 1455 01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:05,519 Speaker 3: I was at I was leaving a breakfast club and 1456 01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:07,120 Speaker 3: our EP was like, do you need me to call 1457 01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:08,600 Speaker 3: you a uber home? Like, I'm scared for you to 1458 01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:10,479 Speaker 3: drive home cause I was so tired. I got to 1459 01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:13,120 Speaker 3: be at breakfast club at like five thirty, then at 1460 01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:16,280 Speaker 3: court until six so and then I'm doing my podcast 1461 01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:19,960 Speaker 3: so and it's just bringing in the information is draining, 1462 01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:22,080 Speaker 3: and then the type of information is draining as well too. 1463 01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:24,800 Speaker 3: So I physically had to disconnect a couple days in 1464 01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:26,360 Speaker 3: a couple of times, and I felt like, dang, I'm 1465 01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,320 Speaker 3: missing it. And I was like, if I don't miss it, 1466 01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:30,360 Speaker 3: I don't even know what I'm gonna be talking about. 1467 01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:31,280 Speaker 5: I'm'na be so delirious. 1468 01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:33,439 Speaker 1: But also to community was a big thing. 1469 01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:35,320 Speaker 3: At the end of the trial, me and our mom 1470 01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:37,400 Speaker 3: were talking about how it kind of felt like I 1471 01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:39,439 Speaker 3: went back to college, or like we went back to college, 1472 01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:42,719 Speaker 3: because we all got so close going through it together 1473 01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:44,519 Speaker 3: and we were able to talk to each other about 1474 01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,519 Speaker 3: it and be upset with each other about certain things, 1475 01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:50,200 Speaker 3: and you know, just and that was so important because 1476 01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,240 Speaker 3: unless you were at that courthouse every day, you really 1477 01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:56,559 Speaker 3: couldn't fathom the intensity of certain things that we were experiencing. 1478 01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:58,760 Speaker 3: So leaning into community was like a big thing for 1479 01:11:58,840 --> 01:11:59,160 Speaker 3: me too. 1480 01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,080 Speaker 15: I missed the question, guys, can can y'all just tell 1481 01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:02,920 Speaker 15: me what the worst one? 1482 01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:07,000 Speaker 6: What were you responding to the question was about things 1483 01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:10,479 Speaker 6: that were triggering and how folks processed it. Lauren was 1484 01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:12,759 Speaker 6: saying going out to drinks with you helped. 1485 01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:16,760 Speaker 15: No, Oh, I have a triggering thing really quick. It 1486 01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:18,920 Speaker 15: wasn't until after the trial though. 1487 01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:20,280 Speaker 4: I think a lot of people do. 1488 01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:22,400 Speaker 15: Well, maybe you guys didn't experience, but I did, and 1489 01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,600 Speaker 15: I know a lot of like my peers kind of 1490 01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:27,600 Speaker 15: felt it. But after all of that, I think I 1491 01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:29,639 Speaker 15: fell into like a whole I don't know, I kind 1492 01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:31,200 Speaker 15: of got it. It was like a little week they 1493 01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:32,599 Speaker 15: were calling like a giddy depression. 1494 01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:33,080 Speaker 4: I don't know. 1495 01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:36,200 Speaker 15: It just kind of felt like ugh, Like once it 1496 01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:40,320 Speaker 15: was like all over, I had felt like it's what's next. 1497 01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:42,360 Speaker 4: I didn't know what. I didn't know what I felt. 1498 01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:44,720 Speaker 15: I felt like it was so much energy there, but 1499 01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,200 Speaker 15: I was like doing it for the to eight weeks 1500 01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:49,599 Speaker 15: that I was there. Then once it was over, like 1501 01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:52,080 Speaker 15: it was just this weird cloud over me where I 1502 01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:52,840 Speaker 15: kind of was like. 1503 01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:56,200 Speaker 4: Sad, I was fatigued. I didn't really want to work. 1504 01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:58,080 Speaker 15: I didn't know what was going on with me, and 1505 01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:00,640 Speaker 15: I think I didn't know what that was, but I 1506 01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:04,200 Speaker 15: started to slowly pull myself out, you know, like talking 1507 01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:06,040 Speaker 15: to my friends me, I would go to New York, 1508 01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,000 Speaker 15: hang out with Salid, we would go out, have dreams, 1509 01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,719 Speaker 15: running to Lauren, like, I would just start doing stuff 1510 01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:13,479 Speaker 15: and then I would find myself getting inspired to get 1511 01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:16,040 Speaker 15: back to it again. But that was something that kind 1512 01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:18,680 Speaker 15: of hit me hard after the trial, Like you know, 1513 01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:21,160 Speaker 15: went there, made a bunch of money, did a bunch 1514 01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:24,639 Speaker 15: of content, had some big highs, and then like I think, 1515 01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:26,800 Speaker 15: people we don't talk about enough when you hit those 1516 01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:30,080 Speaker 15: big highs like that and then you just drop, it's 1517 01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,960 Speaker 15: like you feel it, like I definitely did. 1518 01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:39,559 Speaker 9: I will say the information is difficult to listen to. 1519 01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:41,120 Speaker 9: I mean there's a lot of things that came out 1520 01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:44,280 Speaker 9: and they was it was disturbing and you know information 1521 01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,640 Speaker 9: that was coming out. I will say my years of 1522 01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:50,439 Speaker 9: covering court has helped me compartmentalize things and not take things. 1523 01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:51,599 Speaker 14: Home because it will wreck you. 1524 01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:53,800 Speaker 9: It is why I kind of distanced myself from hard 1525 01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:56,639 Speaker 9: news and started getting into entertainment news because after years 1526 01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:59,479 Speaker 9: of that, it is difficult, right, But I will say 1527 01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:03,320 Speaker 9: the amount of work that I was doing, all of 1528 01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:05,840 Speaker 9: the you know, the long days in Core trying to 1529 01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:07,639 Speaker 9: get all the content out all this stuff. 1530 01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:10,640 Speaker 14: At the end of it, I was beat. I was 1531 01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:11,240 Speaker 14: burnt out. 1532 01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:13,880 Speaker 9: And it was something that I realized our newsrooms are 1533 01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:16,600 Speaker 9: demanding so much of us these days. Like when I 1534 01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:18,920 Speaker 9: first started, it was one hit, and then it was like, oh, 1535 01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:21,000 Speaker 9: we added a four o'clock show, and then now you 1536 01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:23,120 Speaker 9: got to produce yourself, and then you have to now 1537 01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:24,360 Speaker 9: do something on social media. 1538 01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:25,880 Speaker 14: And so I feel like a. 1539 01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,599 Speaker 9: Lot of the reporters that were out there can can 1540 01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:32,800 Speaker 9: agree that we are being stretched really thin. And at 1541 01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,040 Speaker 9: the end of it, by summer, I'm like, first of all, 1542 01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:36,800 Speaker 9: my summer was gone because you look up and it's 1543 01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:39,760 Speaker 9: mid July. We started this in like May, so you 1544 01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:41,080 Speaker 9: look up and you're like, oh my gosh, I didn't 1545 01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:43,320 Speaker 9: go on vacation. I was in this courtroom and and 1546 01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:45,960 Speaker 9: processing all this difficult information. But also the workload was 1547 01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:50,040 Speaker 9: so much that by August I was burnt out and 1548 01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:51,479 Speaker 9: how to just keep going? 1549 01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:54,439 Speaker 14: And so I think trying to figure out how to navigate. 1550 01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:57,559 Speaker 9: This and the demands and you know, more content and 1551 01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:00,839 Speaker 9: great people want it, but we're only just one person 1552 01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:04,519 Speaker 9: trying to produce all of that as well. 1553 01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:05,040 Speaker 11: Hello. 1554 01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:06,679 Speaker 5: My name is Cynthia Horner. 1555 01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:10,240 Speaker 20: I'm on the board of New York Association of Black Journalists, 1556 01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:13,040 Speaker 20: and I want to thank you all for having such 1557 01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:17,639 Speaker 20: wonderful comments. And we've learned so much from what you've 1558 01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:22,120 Speaker 20: had to say. There's so many diverse viewpoints. My question 1559 01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:26,880 Speaker 20: is what was the most difficult moment for you in 1560 01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:32,000 Speaker 20: covering this trial? Because there are some people that are 1561 01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:37,439 Speaker 20: readers of publications or viewers of television shows who felt 1562 01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:40,439 Speaker 20: that there were some moments in that trial that were 1563 01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:45,920 Speaker 20: so horrific, the depravity and all of that that they 1564 01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:50,559 Speaker 20: couldn't even stomach listening to it. So what was your 1565 01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:54,720 Speaker 20: take on how did you navigate with that? Because you 1566 01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:57,720 Speaker 20: have the reporter in you, but you also have the 1567 01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:04,360 Speaker 20: human side, and you know, especially women, hearing testimony from 1568 01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:08,040 Speaker 20: women who had been sexually assaulted and all of that 1569 01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:10,519 Speaker 20: kind of thing. So if you could just give us 1570 01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:17,240 Speaker 20: quick comments on how you navigated and if there was 1571 01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:19,320 Speaker 20: one moment where you just. 1572 01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:22,240 Speaker 5: Said, I don't know if I can keep doing this. 1573 01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:24,280 Speaker 6: And if one person wants to take that, because we 1574 01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:27,160 Speaker 6: got one more question and then we have announcements, so 1575 01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:30,160 Speaker 6: we got like five minutes left. Sorry. 1576 01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:33,960 Speaker 10: I think with every story you try to approach it 1577 01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:37,439 Speaker 10: as a person. I'm a father of two daughters, so 1578 01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:43,120 Speaker 10: hearing stories of domestic violence in that graphic nature was hard. 1579 01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:47,160 Speaker 10: But at the same time, compartmentalizing is key to be 1580 01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:51,280 Speaker 10: able to tell the you know, the audience, what's happening 1581 01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:54,840 Speaker 10: without getting personally emotionally involved to the point where you 1582 01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:55,639 Speaker 10: can't do your job. 1583 01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:02,639 Speaker 21: All right, I'll respect all you ladies, and I don't 1584 01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:06,440 Speaker 21: feel like I respect black journalists. I love black journalism. 1585 01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:11,400 Speaker 21: Lonald Rossa, Dollar Miles, Jerika ducclan, I love y'all. Don't 1586 01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:17,519 Speaker 21: suppress anything that y'all do. I'm from Jersey, and if 1587 01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,320 Speaker 21: y'all feel suppressed or threatened by any way, I got 1588 01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:24,559 Speaker 21: a hundred goons that will protect yourup, keep your foot on. 1589 01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:29,240 Speaker 4: Donald Trumps. I'm not here to tear puff down or none. 1590 01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:29,599 Speaker 22: I don't. 1591 01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:30,720 Speaker 4: I don't got nothing to do with that. 1592 01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:34,959 Speaker 21: I do know the dude that dropped the book, Courtney, 1593 01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:37,719 Speaker 21: that dropped the book with Kim Porter book. 1594 01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:39,479 Speaker 4: I do know where. 1595 01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:43,280 Speaker 21: I don't know how legit that book is, and I 1596 01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:45,040 Speaker 21: don't know if y'all read the book or. 1597 01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:48,400 Speaker 2: Whatever, whatever, but keep your foot on Donald Trump net. 1598 01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:50,760 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, and know. 1599 01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:53,720 Speaker 6: Where you were going with that conversation. Brother, I said, 1600 01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:55,240 Speaker 6: wait a minute, wait a minute. 1601 01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:57,479 Speaker 12: So I thank you for your support. 1602 01:17:57,560 --> 01:17:59,800 Speaker 4: Now support you. 1603 01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:01,320 Speaker 14: No, I appreciate hard. 1604 01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:05,759 Speaker 22: I support y'all whole heartedly. I support y'all whole horribly. 1605 01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:10,880 Speaker 22: I respect y'all journalism. I love black journalism. You know 1606 01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:13,040 Speaker 22: what I'm saying, Like our story needs to be told. 1607 01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:14,160 Speaker 5: I appreciate that. 1608 01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:15,919 Speaker 2: What joy read to the fullest? 1609 01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:17,800 Speaker 8: I got you. You know, we got five now, we 1610 01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:18,599 Speaker 8: got like three minutes. 1611 01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:20,840 Speaker 2: Oh, I support you all right. 1612 01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:24,479 Speaker 8: I appreciate what we got like, we got you all. 1613 01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:25,200 Speaker 1: Right, thank you. 1614 01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:27,960 Speaker 8: The one thing I want to end with appreciate you. 1615 01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:32,280 Speaker 8: Appreciate that. You know we'll get your number outside. So 1616 01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:35,280 Speaker 8: I heard the same question twice. How did we deal 1617 01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:37,600 Speaker 8: with it? And I don't think. 1618 01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:40,120 Speaker 13: You know. 1619 01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:42,920 Speaker 5: I didn't address it. 1620 01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:45,240 Speaker 8: I don't know if you got the answer that you 1621 01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:48,200 Speaker 8: were looking for from a woman's perspective, from a black 1622 01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:51,960 Speaker 8: woman's perspective, from my point of view, right, I mean, 1623 01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:54,760 Speaker 8: I think we've addressed it. The only thing I will 1624 01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:56,559 Speaker 8: say because I do get that question a lot. Let 1625 01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:59,519 Speaker 8: me just land a plane. You know, we're coming back 1626 01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:01,839 Speaker 8: over from your But you know, I've seen a lot. 1627 01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:04,679 Speaker 5: I've seen a lot in New York City. 1628 01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:08,400 Speaker 8: I've covered a lot, and I kind of feel like 1629 01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:09,920 Speaker 8: we're second responders. 1630 01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:12,639 Speaker 5: So like first responders, they go. 1631 01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:17,719 Speaker 8: Out and they compartmentalize, they compartmentalize and they just go home. 1632 01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:21,840 Speaker 8: And so we're kind of like second responders and we, 1633 01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:25,720 Speaker 8: whether we know it or not, we do compartmentalize in 1634 01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:29,600 Speaker 8: that way. And I'll say, just to Lawrence's point, the 1635 01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:34,040 Speaker 8: community of us who kind of like we're pledging the 1636 01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:38,840 Speaker 8: Diddy trial together, you know, really made it great. Jay 1637 01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:41,519 Speaker 8: and I would talk about Armand's show in the morning, 1638 01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:44,719 Speaker 8: did you see Armand? Last night I would see Salia 1639 01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:49,280 Speaker 8: and what you This panel is a product of the 1640 01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:52,680 Speaker 8: community that we built during that experience. 1641 01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:59,639 Speaker 5: And I'll say that that's not the worst I've ever covered. 1642 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:00,759 Speaker 1: That's how I felt. 1643 01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:08,080 Speaker 8: So I've covered so much more that was also horrific. 1644 01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:11,800 Speaker 8: It really wasn't the worst that I've ever covered. And 1645 01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:14,519 Speaker 8: I was very happy that they didn't show us the 1646 01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:17,800 Speaker 8: tapes because I didn't want that in my brain. I'm 1647 01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:20,400 Speaker 8: very particular about what I put in my brain. So 1648 01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:22,400 Speaker 8: I was happy that they kept some of the stuff 1649 01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:24,640 Speaker 8: away from us and I protected my brain and we 1650 01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:27,639 Speaker 8: just were second responders and we comportmentalized blast. 1651 01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:30,719 Speaker 11: Every woman, black, white, Asian. 1652 01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:37,840 Speaker 12: Everybody talked about every little detail being flewed out. I mean, 1653 01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:41,040 Speaker 12: you had Emmy award winning. 1654 01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:42,439 Speaker 11: Journalists that you see on TV that are like, well, 1655 01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:45,120 Speaker 11: I was flewed out. I don't remember that experience. We 1656 01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:49,040 Speaker 11: were all comparing that was not me. I'm just saying, 1657 01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:50,320 Speaker 11: it's like I never. 1658 01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:51,720 Speaker 1: Been flewed out. 1659 01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:56,760 Speaker 11: The thing women got together of all different racist ethnicities 1660 01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:59,519 Speaker 11: and we're like, well, I don't know. I mean when 1661 01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:01,920 Speaker 11: I looked that this could have been me, we were 1662 01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:04,520 Speaker 11: all like wow, Like it was like stories. 1663 01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:06,759 Speaker 12: Anybody staring sharing stories. It was insane. 1664 01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:09,759 Speaker 11: And then people kept telling me that TMZ loved Diddy, 1665 01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:12,880 Speaker 11: which really was weird, and I was like, that's not true, 1666 01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:14,960 Speaker 11: and I felt like I had to defend myself and 1667 01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:17,680 Speaker 11: it was just weird. But so there was so many 1668 01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:22,080 Speaker 11: different components, but yeah, everybody got together and talked about 1669 01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:24,120 Speaker 11: it and it was a great bonding experience. 1670 01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:28,439 Speaker 4: Can I follow up that question? Sure, it's it's real 1671 01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:30,959 Speaker 4: fast because you know, we gotta. 1672 01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:33,719 Speaker 2: All live through our felly and now the ditty trip. 1673 01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:37,880 Speaker 4: I just wanted to follow up usively that do you guys. 1674 01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:42,920 Speaker 13: Think that as a society we're talking about sexual violence 1675 01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:48,759 Speaker 13: and the next like our conversation around this GB's sexual violence, 1676 01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:49,839 Speaker 13: is it evolving? 1677 01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:57,320 Speaker 8: Because it just seems like, you know, no, no, yeah, 1678 01:21:57,360 --> 01:22:00,080 Speaker 8: Epstein files, No no, no. 1679 01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:01,800 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1680 01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:06,840 Speaker 8: Ten years ago, we wouldn't this conversation now, yes, yes, yes, 1681 01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:08,120 Speaker 8: our kick off the. 1682 01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:09,040 Speaker 4: Conversation good night. 1683 01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:11,719 Speaker 5: I remember when r Kelly and Alijah came. 1684 01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:15,000 Speaker 10: Out and to my night he could when the whole 1685 01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:17,719 Speaker 10: marriage story broke, I thought it was a marketing floor. 1686 01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:20,040 Speaker 5: I was speaking to myself at the time. 1687 01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:22,840 Speaker 4: Her uncle was her manager. Might there's no way her 1688 01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:24,040 Speaker 4: parents were coach signs. 1689 01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:27,360 Speaker 5: I truly thought it was a marketing ploor to sell age. 1690 01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:29,680 Speaker 4: Ain't nothing one enough. It wouldn't have occurred to. 1691 01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:33,160 Speaker 12: Me at that time that it was a real thing. 1692 01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:33,879 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1693 01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:37,639 Speaker 13: So I think my answer, and I can't speak to anybody, 1694 01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:39,439 Speaker 13: but I will say my answer is yes. 1695 01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:42,000 Speaker 8: Because again, ten years ago, we wouldn't be having the 1696 01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:45,200 Speaker 8: conversation we would have it now. You're right, I mean, 1697 01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:49,600 Speaker 8: I think the conversation with me too has advanced the discussion. 1698 01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:55,519 Speaker 8: I think to quantify my earlier knee jerk reaction is 1699 01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:59,439 Speaker 8: and maybe that is my perspective as a woman, because 1700 01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:02,360 Speaker 8: I don't think justice has caught up with a conversation. 1701 01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:08,920 Speaker 10: Hmmm, no, no, And you know, really quick social media. 1702 01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:12,000 Speaker 10: We've said it before. It's about everybody wants to see 1703 01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:16,280 Speaker 10: the car accident, so you know, the most graphic details 1704 01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:18,240 Speaker 10: that you can imagine that we were not discussing ten 1705 01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:22,479 Speaker 10: years ago, because everyone wants the you know, the most 1706 01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:26,200 Speaker 10: salacious details on their feed that they can just scroll through. 1707 01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:28,880 Speaker 10: A lot of it is falling through the cracks into 1708 01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:31,599 Speaker 10: our phone and onto our feeds. And I know we're 1709 01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:33,120 Speaker 10: about to wrap up, but I just wanted to say 1710 01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:36,559 Speaker 10: this that, you know, for people like me and Darla 1711 01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:39,360 Speaker 10: I love, I don't want there to be any kind 1712 01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:43,400 Speaker 10: of misperception about what's happening in this business. I love 1713 01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:47,559 Speaker 10: seeing Lauren Win, I love seeing Celia Win. 1714 01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:51,000 Speaker 2: I love seeing armand Win. And I told Armand that 1715 01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:51,719 Speaker 2: to his face. 1716 01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:54,479 Speaker 4: You know, I it's so now you put me on 1717 01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:55,920 Speaker 4: your show. I did. 1718 01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:59,400 Speaker 10: I did, And you know what my producers are like, 1719 01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:01,360 Speaker 10: who is that and why is he a guest on 1720 01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:04,519 Speaker 10: your show. But as the managing editor and the creator 1721 01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:06,200 Speaker 10: of it and the co producer of it, I get 1722 01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:08,240 Speaker 10: to call the shots and who's on the show man, 1723 01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:11,519 Speaker 10: And I said, I want armand on my show. And so, 1724 01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:15,360 Speaker 10: you know, to have people who look like us carry 1725 01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:18,479 Speaker 10: us into the next generation about of what is going 1726 01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:20,639 Speaker 10: to be seen. I think it's so important. And there's 1727 01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:22,519 Speaker 10: another The plate is big enough for all of us 1728 01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:25,519 Speaker 10: to eat, and I'm looking to them to teach me 1729 01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:30,040 Speaker 10: how to evolve. And so I just wanted to say that, 1730 01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:32,720 Speaker 10: you know, I'm so grateful to all of all of 1731 01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:34,320 Speaker 10: you for leading the way. 1732 01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:37,760 Speaker 6: I just yes, thank you guys. I know this went 1733 01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:40,920 Speaker 6: by so fast. I wish we had more time. Mona, 1734 01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:43,000 Speaker 6: you had one more thought? Did you want to say 1735 01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:43,679 Speaker 6: one more thing. 1736 01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:47,200 Speaker 9: Just quickly, about the conversation about sexual violence and if 1737 01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:49,320 Speaker 9: we're having these conversations. I think we've come a long 1738 01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:51,840 Speaker 9: way since the days of normalizing R. Kelly and making 1739 01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:54,360 Speaker 9: jokes on the Chappelle Show about what he was doing. 1740 01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:58,240 Speaker 9: But I also think that what was complicated about this 1741 01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:02,160 Speaker 9: case is you had it. We were almost saying that 1742 01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:05,040 Speaker 9: it was, you know, a test for the me too movement? 1743 01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:07,200 Speaker 9: Is a me too movement done, and I don't think 1744 01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:11,479 Speaker 9: that one case dictates if the Me Too movement is effective. 1745 01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:15,400 Speaker 9: But also what I think happened is people were torn 1746 01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:18,680 Speaker 9: between is this a black man who is, you know, 1747 01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:21,840 Speaker 9: being the government's trying to throw a black man, a 1748 01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:25,360 Speaker 9: successful black man in jail. Or is this someone who 1749 01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:28,600 Speaker 9: was a very powerful, rich man who was taking advantage 1750 01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:30,920 Speaker 9: of women and using his power to do so. And 1751 01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:35,599 Speaker 9: I think sometimes that mix of a conversation was happening 1752 01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:36,240 Speaker 9: as well. 1753 01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:40,040 Speaker 6: Hopefully with a reporting that everybody here did you get 1754 01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:42,320 Speaker 6: to make that decision, We're not here to tell you 1755 01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:44,519 Speaker 6: how to think so, and then. 1756 01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:48,880 Speaker 4: Lastly the real quick, real quick. Okay, but I think too. 1757 01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:51,759 Speaker 15: Because I always got to add the LGBTQ factor into 1758 01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:54,800 Speaker 15: I think people also were having conversations they were so 1759 01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:55,960 Speaker 15: interested in is. 1760 01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:59,000 Speaker 4: D D gay? What about the men? What about the escorts? 1761 01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:02,000 Speaker 15: So you know, they people were becoming desentitized because they 1762 01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:04,200 Speaker 15: were so infatuated with whether. 1763 01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:05,960 Speaker 4: Or not he was interested in the men or not. 1764 01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:08,400 Speaker 15: So it's just a lot of things that kind of 1765 01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:10,519 Speaker 15: went into that when we get into the sexual stuff. 1766 01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:13,559 Speaker 6: So you make sure you follow everybody on this panel. 1767 01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:16,519 Speaker 6: Check out our Moms Show Jay's show, Darla, all of 1768 01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:18,200 Speaker 6: us please, we need to support you. 1769 01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:22,519 Speaker 3: Thank you guys so much for joining me for this conversation. Look, 1770 01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:26,040 Speaker 3: I always say I can't ever be afraid to answer 1771 01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:29,200 Speaker 3: a question because I'm the girl that's gonna ask him. 1772 01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:31,840 Speaker 3: I know y'all hate the way I say ask. I'm 1773 01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:33,400 Speaker 3: also never going to learn how to say that the 1774 01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:35,920 Speaker 3: correct way. But thank you guys for joining me in 1775 01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:39,120 Speaker 3: this episode. You know I tell y'all every single episode. 1776 01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:42,480 Speaker 3: I appreciate you guys because y'all could be anywhere with anybody, 1777 01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:44,960 Speaker 3: having these conversations, and you choose to be right here 1778 01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:48,240 Speaker 3: with me. By Lowriders, I will see you in my 1779 01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:49,440 Speaker 3: next episode.