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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Huddle Up Podcast.

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Speaker 2: J P.

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Speaker 3: Shadwick, John Ozier from the Hyundai studios at the Miller

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Speaker 3: Electric Center in Jacksonville. Bucky Brooks with us as always

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Speaker 3: from Los Angeles, California.

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Speaker 1: And here we are.

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Speaker 3: The players are back in the building. The offseason program

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Speaker 3: is underway.

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Speaker 1: We're just over a week away.

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Speaker 3: From the start of the NFL Draft. Football things are happening, Bucky,

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon.

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Speaker 4: What's up, guys, how you guys doing. We're back at it.

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Speaker 4: Guys are back in the building. We're one step close

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Speaker 4: to getting guys on the field, and it feels good

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Speaker 4: that football is back, even though it never seems like

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Speaker 4: it disappears.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's I am more focused on the draft probably

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Speaker 5: than I am on the players in the building. The

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Speaker 5: players in the building will be in my on my

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Speaker 5: radar soon enough. But it was good to sort of

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Speaker 5: kick things off with Trevor and Foyer talking on Tuesday,

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Speaker 5: and I thought there were some interesting nuggets out of that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's hear from Trevor Lawrence to get it going today,

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Speaker 3: including priorities for the Jaguars entering the off season program.

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Speaker 3: What do they need to get accomplished between now and June.

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Speaker 6: You know, you got to move on pretty quickly because

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Speaker 6: it's a new year. You know, now it doesn't matter

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Speaker 6: who won the Super Bowl last year. Now everyone's kind

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Speaker 6: of turning the page and going on to twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 6: So you move on, but you have to kind of recap,

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Speaker 6: all right, it was we only had that one team

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Speaker 6: meeting right before we left to end our season last year,

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Speaker 6: and you talk about it, but it's hard to digest

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Speaker 6: that in one night before that meeting. So you know,

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Speaker 6: we talked about and dress address some of the things

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Speaker 6: that happened, you know, maybe some things that we didn't

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Speaker 6: do well, some things that we might have done okay

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Speaker 6: and need to improve on. Just really everything we've done

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Speaker 6: that the last two days and from coach Peterson's perspective,

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Speaker 6: from press's perspective, and then players you know, some stuff too.

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Speaker 6: So it's been really good. I think we're heading in

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Speaker 6: the right direction and we know we need to do

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Speaker 6: got attack this offseason and be really intentional. There's very

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Speaker 6: tangible things that we need to get better at. Obviously

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Speaker 6: I'm not going to go into all the details right now,

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Speaker 6: but there's things we need to get better at. You

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Speaker 6: know for myself, for us as an offense, as a team,

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Speaker 6: and we kind of just put all those out there

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Speaker 6: and now we're all on the same page of where

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Speaker 6: we're heading and where we're going, what we need.

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Speaker 2: To work on.

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Speaker 6: So I think it's it's necessary to do that at

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Speaker 6: the beginning of the off season so you're not just

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Speaker 6: the worst thing you want to do is you don't

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Speaker 6: want to waste time. You don't want to just come

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Speaker 6: here and work out and go home and really not

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Speaker 6: know where you're heading and what you want to work on.

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Speaker 6: So I think it was good to get everybody centered

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Speaker 6: and know where we're going.

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Speaker 3: So that's Trevor Lawrence the full press conference at Jaguars

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Speaker 3: dot Com. Bucky's kind of like the first day of school.

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Speaker 3: You get the syllabus, you know, kind of what we're

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Speaker 3: going to talk about different parts of the year, and

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Speaker 3: here's the ideas moving ahead.

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Speaker 1: Now you just got to go execute it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now you got to execute it.

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Speaker 4: And I think it's important that everyone understand what needs

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Speaker 4: to be worked on and so you can kind of

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Speaker 4: follow the plan and put some mile markets to know

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Speaker 4: where you at as it as you're progressing to the

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Speaker 4: goal and What you want to do is you want

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Speaker 4: to get to training camp feeling good about the state

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Speaker 4: of the team. You want to feel good about the

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Speaker 4: things that you supposedly are working to clean up from

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Speaker 4: last year while building a plan to make the team

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Speaker 4: even better going forward. So for Trevor to acknowledge that,

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Speaker 4: for the coaches and stuff to be on the same page. Look,

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Speaker 4: I look for big things, and I know this year

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Speaker 4: would be different than last year in terms of the

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Speaker 2: All of that has dissipated.

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Speaker 4: All of that has kind of gone to Houston, where

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Speaker 4: they're marked as the team that should win the division,

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Speaker 4: Super Bowls and those things, and the Jacks have kind

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Speaker 4: the same as the previous year. You have an opportunity

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Speaker 4: you clean up some of the issues that plagued the

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Speaker 4: team last year.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's definitely the theme I mean, Doug talked

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Speaker 5: about it at the combine, and then both Foyer and

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Speaker 5: Trevor I reiterated that they're not going to let last

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Speaker 5: season go. There's a balance between looking ahead and using

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Speaker 5: what happened last season is fuel. But if there was

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Speaker 5: ever any human nature last year to let it ride

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Speaker 5: or whatever all the cliches were, you don't get the

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Speaker 5: idea that that will be the case this year. So

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Speaker 5: I'm not huge on that sort of the theme really

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Speaker 5: carrying over once you start playing games, but it's definitely

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Speaker 5: the storyline that we're going to follow all off season.

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Speaker 5: So what the heck I'll buy in for now?

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Speaker 3: JP, We're in, John Oser is in moving ahead. Another

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Speaker 3: one of the nuggets that you mentioned is, yes, Trevor

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Speaker 3: Lawrence and the Jaguars have talked about contract extension, and

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Speaker 3: you know they are quite ready to give up the

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Speaker 3: details of some of those conversations. But Trevor did say

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Speaker 3: John yesterday that they have happened to what extent is a.

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Speaker 5: Question, and don't you kind of get the idea? And Bucky,

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Speaker 5: I don't know if you heard Trevor and I, but

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Speaker 5: you sort of got the idea listening to him that

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Speaker 5: they know that it's going to get done at some point.

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Speaker 5: I don't think they want to come out and say, yeah,

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Speaker 5: it's going to get done at some point. But there's

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Speaker 5: a feeling that Trevor Lawrence is going to be the

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Speaker 5: guy no matter how much you knitpick sort of what

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Speaker 5: he has or hasn't done. He's made there, he has

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Speaker 5: helped lift the franchise out of the abyss, and twenty

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Speaker 5: four years old, the whole thing is still out in

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Speaker 5: front of him. All of those things. Some contracts you

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Speaker 5: wonder about and they cause stress and anxiety. I don't

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Speaker 5: really get the feeling that this is going to be

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Speaker 5: I think this is going to be more of a

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Speaker 5: when you get the message that it's done, you're gonna go, Okay,

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Speaker 5: what's done. And now I'm sure for the guy's sign

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Speaker 5: in the check, it's a little bit more than that.

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Speaker 5: But in terms of stress within the franchise, I don't

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Speaker 5: a seismic worry Bucky.

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Speaker 6: No, I don't.

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Speaker 4: I think he should be assismic worried because what good

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Speaker 4: franchises do is they are proactive when it comes to

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Speaker 4: retaining their blue chip players and we've seen around the league,

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Speaker 4: like Philip Eagles made a bunch of signings with some

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Speaker 4: of their marquee stars. I think at some point when

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Speaker 4: the worm turns for the Jaguars is you're proactively signing

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Speaker 4: your star players, the players that you expect to be

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Speaker 4: the pillars of the franchise. We see Josh Allen, we

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Speaker 4: saw that he just got done. Even though it probably

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Speaker 4: it got done. And so you have someone that is

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Speaker 4: going to be around the franchise for a long time.

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Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence is next up, and with the rates in

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Speaker 4: which quarterbacks are being paid, it is in the best

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Speaker 4: interests of the franchise to pay him sooner rather than later.

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Speaker 4: If you feel good about what he brings to the team,

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Speaker 4: not only from a talent standpoint, but from intangible's leadership,

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Speaker 4: the way that he is trending in terms of a

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Speaker 4: face of the franchise guy, then you pay him. And

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Speaker 4: you may even have to overpay him what the current

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Speaker 4: market states, because the one thing we know about the

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Speaker 4: quarter it never comes back, It only goes up. And

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Speaker 4: it's in your best interest to pay him now rather

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Speaker 4: than wait till later, because it's going to cost you

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Speaker 4: more if you wait. And he continues to play like

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Speaker 4: he has played and shown flashes are playing throughout his career.

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Speaker 5: And Bucky, you're a scout at heart, So I know

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Speaker 5: you know you like the word ceiling and floor. I'm sure, yeah,

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Speaker 5: don't we sort of know that his floor is not bad?

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Speaker 5: I mean it's I don't know what his ceiling is,

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Speaker 5: but the worst you're going to get out of Trevor

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Speaker 5: is a pretty darn good player, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think we know what the floor is,

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Speaker 4: and so now here here's the thing when it comes

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Speaker 4: what is the floor? Because once you pay him, he

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Speaker 4: has to at least meet that floor. But can he

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Speaker 4: meet that floor with maybe lesser players around him? Because

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Speaker 4: when you pay him a lot of money, you now

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Speaker 4: lose some of the luxury of being able to surround

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Speaker 4: them with a bunch of high end, blue chip players

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Speaker 4: that are making more. It puts more of the pressure

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Speaker 4: on Trevor to be able to do it with younger

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Speaker 4: players on the prement, but the younger players in front

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Speaker 4: of him because the draft becomes more important when the

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Speaker 4: quarterback gets paid, and same thing with the defense. So

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Speaker 4: we know where the floor is. We're still trying to

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Speaker 4: figure out where that ceiling is. But you want to

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Speaker 4: feel confident about kind of both of those scenarios, so

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Speaker 4: as you're building your team, you can give him the

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Speaker 4: money that he desires while also providing him with enough

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Speaker 4: support to allow him to play at the level that

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Speaker 4: he needs to play at when you can't pay everyone else.

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Speaker 5: And I thought a key thing ESJ A JP two

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Speaker 5: is when Trevor talked about you know, he didn't make

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Speaker 5: an excuse out of it, he didn't play it up,

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Speaker 5: but when he was asked about how long it took

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Speaker 5: him to feel right after the season, to me, it's

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Speaker 5: sort of tied up maybe a loose end.

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Speaker 1: He didn't talk about that at all.

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Speaker 5: Last season when he was going through it, but he

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Speaker 5: said it really took until mid March where he felt right.

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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 1: That's a significant amount of time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think that sort of shows maybe it

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Speaker 5: gives a little more depth into how beat up he was,

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Speaker 5: and especially one line he said that again he was

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Speaker 5: not emphasizing this, not trying to use it as an excuse,

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Speaker 5: but he talked about how whenever he was throwing or

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Speaker 5: working out last year, I'm gonna paraphrase it. The JP

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Speaker 5: said he was sort of adapting and sort of trying

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Speaker 5: to figure out how to throw that day or how

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Speaker 5: to do how to work through what he was going through.

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Speaker 5: So I think Bucky it he went seven and seven

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Speaker 5: in terms of interceptions touchdowns after he got hurt against Cincinnati.

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Speaker 5: I just don't think that's a healthy Trevor Lawrence in

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Speaker 5: any respect of what we were seeing. I think that

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Speaker 5: has to factor in how we judge it.

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Speaker 4: That does have the factor in, and you do have

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Speaker 4: to do it. Unfortunately, for quarterbacks, you judge once you

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Speaker 4: step between our lines. However you play, whatever the performance

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Speaker 4: in a production is, that's what you judged on.

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Speaker 5: But in terms of what the Jaguars I think they're

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Speaker 5: going to get out of him, I think you have

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Speaker 5: to look at that and say, you know what, we

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Speaker 1: So that's eight days away from this Wednesday. Hey. You know,

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Speaker 7: Yeah, never be in a rearview maybe next year after

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Speaker 4: I think you will see guys maybe a little more

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Speaker 5: Well, isn't Eric Armstead sort of the poster child of that?

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Speaker 4: And then you also have Done Savage, who comes from

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Speaker 5: Good insight and the offense he already has it, like

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Speaker 3: Too, seems like it and maybe the draft is the

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Speaker 3: That means, yeah, draft talk is next, so eight days away.

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Speaker 3: I think we mentioned last week, Bucket, your next mock

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Speaker 1: About a new mock. But four point four that's the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, four point oh.

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Speaker 4: I think I think the most recent thing that we

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Speaker 4: I think the top fives, and I think the positions

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Speaker 2: The question mark that I would have would be on.

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Speaker 5: like Teary Arnold walking through that door. I just you know.

440
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Speaker 5: And that's if Qunyan Mitchell is there. He makes sense

441
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Speaker 5: to I've been saying for months, probably based on conversation

442
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Speaker 5: with Bucky, I would just be stunned if Corners not

443
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Speaker 5: the pick there. And maybe I'm too locked in on it,

444
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Speaker 5: but all of those guys fit and from Bucky, I mean, Bucky,

445
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Speaker 5: from what you've said, it's a little bit of an

446
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Speaker 5: unusual year in that the corners do line up where

447
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Speaker 5: a lot of them can play press, and I think

448
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Speaker 5: you told me a lot of them can move inside

449
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Speaker 5: and play nickel, which might be necessary in that first year, right.

450
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Speaker 5: I mean, this is a group that sort of fits

451
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Speaker 5: a couple of things this team needs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: No, Look, I'm a firm believer that this team needs

454
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Speaker 4: to double down at the cornerback position. They need to

455
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Speaker 4: have someone that can be an every down outside player.

456
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Speaker 4: So even though Terran Arnold can go inside, he's played

457
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Speaker 4: the star position, which is the nickel position, which is

458
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Speaker 4: really very similar to what Antonio Johnson did at Texas

459
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Speaker 4: A and M playing in the slot.

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Speaker 2: But he also can go outside.

461
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Speaker 4: But there also needs to be a guy that is

462
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Speaker 4: established as a nickel corner. I like Antonio Johnson, but

463
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Speaker 4: there's a difference in lining up playing nose to nose

464
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Speaker 4: against guys in the slot versus being the slot defender

465
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Speaker 4: that is en zone, that is playing run and doing

466
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Speaker 4: those things. To me, the job descriptions are different. And

467
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Speaker 4: if you look at the roster, I don't know if

468
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Speaker 4: there's a natural nickel corner on the roster, meaning line

469
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Speaker 4: up play man to man, play maybe one of the

470
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Speaker 4: toughest guys in the slot. They may have to go

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Speaker 4: fishing for that so.

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Speaker 5: Corner and you know, two corners not on Day one

473
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Speaker 5: or two, but at least two by the end of

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Speaker 5: the fourth round.

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Speaker 2: I think that's what it feels. I think I think

476
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Speaker 2: you need to have that.

477
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Speaker 4: And if you look at the depth of the talent

478
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Speaker 4: in the draft, the depth of the draft, cornerback is

479
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Speaker 4: one of those.

480
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Speaker 2: Positions where you can go.

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Speaker 4: So it wouldn't be surprising to me to see one

482
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Speaker 4: go in the first round and maybe you come back

483
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Speaker 4: in the third round and look at another one. You

484
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Speaker 4: look at a guy that like a Max Melton from

485
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Speaker 4: Rutgers that can come in. Georgia has a couple of

486
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Speaker 4: guys that can play in the slot. Kamari Lasseter is

487
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Speaker 4: a guy that is a venture So there are a

488
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Speaker 4: few different guys that can play the style that the

489
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Speaker 4: Jaguars seemingly want to play. I think you have to

490
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Speaker 4: vest in the position, and that's not a knock to

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Speaker 4: the guys that are there. I'm just not as confident

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Speaker 4: that the guys that are there, you bust the Browns

493
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Speaker 4: of the world, are maybe ready to take that next

494
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Speaker 4: step and if you bring somebody in and they step

495
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Speaker 4: up to the challenges, like, that's great, But I don't

496
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Speaker 4: think you can count on just improvement being enough to

497
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Speaker 4: salve your problems right now on the outside, let.

498
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Speaker 5: Me ask you this, buck, I'm gonna ask a question

499
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Speaker 5: of the mock drafter, like he has many hats, but

500
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Speaker 5: you sure, how far back in the first round can

501
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Speaker 5: they go and still get a player of impact on

502
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Speaker 5: the levels of Terry and Arnole? Like you know what

503
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Speaker 5: I'm saying. I mean because it would make sense because

504
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Speaker 5: you feel like they need a couple of corners early,

505
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Speaker 5: but you also feel like they could really use a

506
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Speaker 5: receiver in that group everybody's talking about, you can get

507
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Speaker 5: a good receiver up unto a button mid round four.

508
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Speaker 5: How far back can they go in the first round

509
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Speaker 5: and still feel good about it? You follow me?

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Speaker 4: I would say in most drafts they're about eighteen to

511
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Speaker 4: twenty four players take grade out with first.

512
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Speaker 5: Round grades, but for what they might need, Yeah, if

513
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Speaker 5: it's a corner, you know you could see good picks

514
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Speaker 5: out of this. Out of those positions.

515
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Speaker 4: In this draft, I would say that the positions that

516
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Speaker 4: you're talking about wide receiver and cornerback, maybe enough fringe

517
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 4: guys like borderline first and second round guys where you

518
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,919
Speaker 4: certainly can get one of those players in the bottom

519
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Speaker 4: of the first round, and then somewhere mid level second round.

520
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Speaker 4: An impact player would juice wide receivers, having known like

521
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Speaker 4: where you can find guys in the second and third

522
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Speaker 4: round to come. But here's the trick, though, it is

523
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 4: so hard to get a young guy up to speed

524
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Speaker 4: in this offense.

525
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Speaker 2: When you have a bunch of smart players.

526
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Speaker 4: So if you're going for that, I would say guys

527
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Speaker 4: that kind of come to mind for me would be

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Speaker 4: like a Lad McConkie, a Ricky Piersol, a Madeakai Corley.

529
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Speaker 2: Those guys play in the slot.

530
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Speaker 4: If it's an outside guy, now you're talking about like

531
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Speaker 4: a different animal.

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Speaker 2: People like Kean Coleman.

533
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Speaker 4: Kean Coleman could be a first but he might be

534
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Speaker 4: a second round pick because he didn't run fast. The

535
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Speaker 4: thing that they're missing on the outside a big body

536
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Speaker 4: like they have the.

537
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Speaker 2: Slide receiver in Christian Kirk. You have a smart guy

538
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 2: in Zage as you have Gabe Davis to be the

539
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 2: vertical stretch guy.

540
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Speaker 4: Evan Ingram, But there's still that big body in the

541
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 4: red zone that helps them when it comes to scoring touchdowns.

542
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 4: They need a bigger body, a bigger presence to be

543
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 4: able to win some of those fifty to fifty balls

544
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 4: and that can test it congested area.

545
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Speaker 5: So that's interesting. You think this offense, I think all receivers.

546
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Speaker 5: You know, it's tricky for receivers, even in this day

547
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 5: and age when there's been some exceptions to come in

548
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 5: and impact right away. This offense is maybe particularly tough

549
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 5: because you had a pretty smart to play in it.

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Speaker 4: I think so because the way that the Jags want

551
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 4: to play, they want to play musical chairs.

552
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 2: And they want to have interchangeable parts.

553
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Speaker 4: Meaning on one play, i can line up outside to

554
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Speaker 4: the right and I'm playing Z the flanker spot. On

555
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 4: the next play, they may have me on the left,

556
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,479
Speaker 4: but I'm playing X different set of responsibilities. Sometimes this

557
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 4: week we want to move you inside to the slot

558
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Speaker 4: because we have favorable matchups.

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Speaker 2: To me, it is a high IQ position.

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Speaker 4: So the guys that I would anticipate, particularly coming off

561
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Speaker 4: of last year where we had like mistakes and bust

562
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 4: and those things. Sure, and not just from the guy

563
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Speaker 4: that is in tendency. I'm not talking about that. I'm

564
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 4: talking about like with the younger players that got on

565
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Speaker 4: the field. I think now there's going to be a

566
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Speaker 4: greater emphasis on Hey man, I need a high IQ

567
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 4: player who's played a lot who.

568
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Speaker 2: Can pick this up and can pick it up on

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Speaker 2: the fly.

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Speaker 4: Harder to find those guys, but they're a handful of

571
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Speaker 4: guys that can do it. But I think there'd be

572
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Speaker 4: a little deeper dive on their ability to kind of

573
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Speaker 4: pick things up acclimate to the pro game and do

574
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 4: it on the fly, because moving around, you can't have

575
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Speaker 4: one guy that's not up with the football aptitude of

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Speaker 4: the other guys, because it makes it really hard for

577
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Speaker 4: this to kind of get going.

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Speaker 3: And there's at least I know of one instance, certainly,

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Speaker 3: but I'm sure there's plenty of others that that happens

580
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Speaker 3: pre snap where they don't have time to shift and

581
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Speaker 3: move around and you've got to run the other guy's

582
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Speaker 3: route that is designed for a different receiver. And I

583
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Speaker 3: know one of them since the Zay Jones had to

584
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Speaker 3: run what Christian Kirk was going to run and they

585
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Speaker 3: threw it for a touchdown.

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Speaker 1: That's what smart players do. I mean, they're able to pick.

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Speaker 2: Sound yeah, and so and so.

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Speaker 4: I want to make sure because I don't want this

589
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 4: to be taken out of context. I don't want like

590
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Speaker 4: a sound bite to clip and run on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: Whatever what I'm saying is.

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Speaker 4: I think after the experience that the team had last year,

593
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Speaker 4: I think Doug Peterson will place a greater emphasis on

594
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 4: knowing that the people that they bring in and put

595
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 4: onto the field know everything about what is going on,

596
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 4: and that you don't necessarily need to tell them or

597
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 4: show them or hold their hand when it comes to

598
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 4: doing it. That's young players all that that everyone is

599
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 4: able to hold their own when it comes to knowing

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Speaker 4: all of the different spots on the offense, and there

601
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Speaker 4: would be more pressure on the people that are on

602
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Speaker 4: the field to know exactly what you're doing. I don't

603
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 4: think the patience level will be the same that has

604
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 4: been in the past, because in the past it came

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00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 4: back to hurt them. This year, it has to be

606
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 4: everyone needs to know what you're doing. If you don't

607
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 4: know what you're doing, you have to get off the field,

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Speaker 4: all right.

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Speaker 3: So the latest top five NFL Draft prospects by position

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Speaker 1: It's the top story as we speak.

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Speaker 4: Well he didn't. He didn't necessarily be better. It's more so, Hey,

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Speaker 4: we're gonna are gonna be We're gonna We're gonna be

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Speaker 4: bold enough to say, hey, man, I think this guy

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Speaker 4: is the best player uh on defense, the best pass rush.

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Speaker 4: He has all the skills, and I'm going to ignore

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Speaker 4: the medical stuff and just say based on skills, traits

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Speaker 3: Check it out NFL dot com Mock Draft Extraordinaire. That

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Speaker 3: This week, he doesn't a lot of hats. He's also

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Speaker 3: the host of this podcast, Bucky's.

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Speaker 2: He's a star.

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Speaker 1: The Marquis. His name is on the tie is on.

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Speaker 5: The top of the mark starring Becky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, with the other guys.

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Speaker 3: Bucky will talk to you again next week and enjoy

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Speaker 3: the week ahead here and the weekend coming up.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Becky, I mean it should be fun.

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Speaker 3: Bucky Brooks, John Ozier, JP Shattuck or thanks to Joe

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Speaker 3: Fortunado and Brent Reaverer, and

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