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Speaker 2: That's the inside scoop with that, FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal. Ken,

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Speaker 2: I'm getting right to the headliner from this morning in

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Speaker 2: So it sounds like a simple headline, but then can

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Speaker 1: First of all, this hit me when I was at

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Speaker 1: this is an amazing phenomenon. We all know about the

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Speaker 1: they had obviously some economic benefit, that's perhaps one reason

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Speaker 1: I don't know that Otani would have taken the Angels

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Speaker 3: To all this. Okay, you kind of hit it on

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Speaker 3: Do you know if Atani and obviously he would be

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Speaker 3: Do you think he learned that from the Angels? That

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Speaker 1: Well, I know the default emotion for a lot of

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Speaker 1: And I always thought that was a really cool thing,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So anyway, we'll get into that later. But Ken,

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Speaker 2: you for Fair Territory. Thanks guys, Thank you, Ken Rosenthal.

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Speaker 2: Fair Territory back on Monday. Obviously, just did yesterday's live

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Speaker 2: show with Alana Rizzo. If you want to hear Ken's

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Speaker 2: so go check out that episode. Obviously, still super super

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