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Speaker 1: lose track of just how much things can change in
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Speaker 1: completely at the crossroads. We were unsure of what was
Speaker 1: going on. We were trying to figure out exactly what
Speaker 1: the next step was going to be for the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys organization. Well, now as we enter this Monday, March fifteenth,
Speaker 1: we have an opportunity to say we know what crossroads
Speaker 1: had been chosen. We know who our franchise quarterback is
Speaker 1: and it's Dak Prescott. Plus North Texas men's basketball's going
Speaker 1: dance in the NCAA tournament, So I'm going to throw
Speaker 1: that out there as well, get that out of the way.
Speaker 1: So I'm pretty excited about both of those factors as well.
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Speaker 1: in the crate, heck my Harrison, and Rob it's crazy.
Speaker 1: The deal got done last Monday, and every other show
Speaker 1: has gotten a chance to talk about it so far,
Speaker 1: but except for us, we were the ones that were
Speaker 1: early on Monday, And of course the deal happened right
Speaker 1: after our show was concluded. So what are your overall
Speaker 1: thoughts on the deal as we kind of get a
Speaker 1: chance it's to finally dissected on this specific podcast. I
Speaker 1: said this last week and I'll say it again. Everybody wins.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys win, they get the deal done, they get
Speaker 1: some precious cap space. Dak gets a massive contract, second
Speaker 1: highest contract basically an average per year in NFL history.
Speaker 1: The fans win. If if you wanted Dak resigned, you win.
Speaker 1: If you didn't want to resigned, hey you get something
Speaker 1: else to complain about it. That'll be refreshing, right right Andy,
Speaker 1: And hey we win, We win because we you know,
Speaker 1: we had something to talk about up until the start
Speaker 1: of free agency. Which is basically today. And now it's done.
Speaker 1: It's a weight off everybody's shoulders. And uh, I'm surprised
Speaker 1: it got done before the tag. I thought there was
Speaker 1: a chance based on rumblings before free agency, but I
Speaker 1: didn't think they would put it together five hours after
Speaker 1: we got off the air. And I think it just
Speaker 1: it just turned out to be the right time for
Speaker 1: everybody because and really for the Cowboys to kind of
Speaker 1: segue into free agency, able to spread that money out
Speaker 1: and allow themselves to possibly be somewhat active in the
Speaker 1: coming weeks, if not this week. Well, I only got
Speaker 1: one word for that, man, and it is relieved. Was
Speaker 1: relieved relieved when I saw the text from Isaiah saying
Speaker 1: that it was a done deal. Um, yeah, Isaiah, were
Speaker 1: etched in history together because you let us know that
Speaker 1: the deal was done. So you know, I'll just really
Speaker 1: happy to see that we were able to get it
Speaker 1: done and not get muddy the waters with this thing
Speaker 1: any longer. But I tell you, man, that the press
Speaker 1: conference on Wednesday was that that was the main attraction
Speaker 1: just of the some of the cringe worthy comments that
Speaker 1: came from the press conference. You know, Jerry admitting that
Speaker 1: you know he's the only guy that he would take
Speaker 1: advantage of him. Things like that that came out about
Speaker 1: the money and Dak digging in and I really just
Speaker 1: you know, all jokes aside on that. Man. I really
Speaker 1: loved some of the things that Dak had to say.
Speaker 1: Pressure is a privilege. Man. I had to write that
Speaker 1: down immediately because that was definitely a quote to keep.
Speaker 1: I love the way that he handled himself and just
Speaker 1: knowing that he dug in, he dug in and wouldn't
Speaker 1: move on principle of what he wanted for his contracting.
Speaker 1: I think for the organization just gives us a sense
Speaker 1: of we're able to move forward. We can move forward now,
Speaker 1: we can all the rest of the I guess the
Speaker 1: proverbial dominoes can fall where they may because we got
Speaker 1: the biggest deal done and just really happy that this
Speaker 1: doesn't have to linger any longer and Jerry and Stephen
Speaker 1: got it done. Yeah, finally it happened. No, I'm glad.
Speaker 1: I'm glad everybody walked away winners. Man, I'm glad everybody
Speaker 1: walked away winners. Obviously, there's a lot the guys in
Speaker 1: the league right now that are walking away winners, getting
Speaker 1: some of this money in their pocket right now, just
Speaker 1: because of the parameters of this season, in the in
Speaker 1: the cap going down. So super happy not only for everybody,
Speaker 1: but obviously super happy for a dat. He got his brand.
Speaker 1: Like you guys already mentioned, he sunk his feet in there.
Speaker 1: He got what he was due, right, he got what
Speaker 1: he was due. And unfortunately it took um you know,
Speaker 1: external pressures and external you know other other things that
Speaker 1: really applied pressure on the Cowboys, such as a cap
Speaker 1: and all those things that really added to this getting done.
Speaker 1: But you know, whatever is required, it happened. Now we
Speaker 1: can roll and now these guys got to figure out
Speaker 1: how to make some more room. Obviously they're starting to
Speaker 1: do those things so they can go out there and
Speaker 1: get some of these free agents that they need to
Speaker 1: solidify this team. Oh, Isaiah providing a perfect segue into
Speaker 1: what I really want to talk about next, and that's
Speaker 1: those external pressures exactly. Uh, those external pressures kind of
Speaker 1: forcing this deal to get done. You talked about the
Speaker 1: salary cap. You also talked about how it needed to
Speaker 1: be the first domino to fall, because that was really
Speaker 1: what our conversations had been each of the last two
Speaker 1: weeks was we can't talk about free agency without Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: We can't talk about it without that contract and seeing
Speaker 1: what kind of piece of the pie that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: would be allotting to their franchise quarterback. Well, now we
Speaker 1: know exactly how big that piece of the pie is.
Speaker 1: Still a pretty darn big piece of pie, but it's
Speaker 1: a little bit smaller than what they dealt with a
Speaker 1: year ago with the franchise tag. So, Rob, whenever the
Speaker 1: money comes in and you look at this deal and
Speaker 1: now you have an opportunity to start talking to teams.
Speaker 1: I mean, as of what thirty seven minutes ago as
Speaker 1: we're recording this, teams can agree to terms to a
Speaker 1: potential team. So now that you're looking at this money, Rob,
Speaker 1: what is the next step for the Cowboys in free agency?
Speaker 1: And where do they start looking because is this going
Speaker 1: to be a discount offseason or do they have a
Speaker 1: little bit more to spend here. That's a great question
Speaker 1: because you know, the salary cap is always it's always
Speaker 1: a bit of a moving target. You know, we've seen
Speaker 1: projections all off season about oh, well, how much space
Speaker 1: might they have? Well, number one, we didn't know the cap.
Speaker 1: We know the cap now it's just a little over
Speaker 1: one eighty five and so I'm sorry, one eighty two
Speaker 1: five is what it is. So by getting this Dack
Speaker 1: deal done, they're allowed to they're able to spread out
Speaker 1: the hit. So really, instead of what would have been
Speaker 1: thirty seven seven million on the franchise tag, it's going
Speaker 1: to be a little over twenty two. So when you
Speaker 1: can look at it like they're basically saving fifteen million
Speaker 1: on this year's tag this year's cap, you factor in
Speaker 1: the three restructures they did last week. We talked about
Speaker 1: that the last few weeks. That's a possibility, still could
Speaker 1: be a possibility. They could continue to do that if
Speaker 1: they want to. But with Zach Martin, Tyrant Smith, Lyle Collins,
Speaker 1: that opens up more space. I think. I think the
Speaker 1: projection is they're about eighteen and a half million under
Speaker 1: the cap right now. That's good. You need to be
Speaker 1: under you have to be under the cap by Wednesday.
Speaker 1: I don't think that sounds it sounds like more to
Speaker 1: me than it really is, because you have to budget
Speaker 1: for your draft class that can be upwards of ten million,
Speaker 1: maybe a little less. Sometimes usually they like to keep
Speaker 1: a little bit of a break glass fund, you know,
Speaker 1: set aside a few million in the cap for injuries
Speaker 1: that happen, things of that nature. So when you factor
Speaker 1: all that in there, they're a handful of million under
Speaker 1: the cap. So to me, it's I would think they
Speaker 1: need to maybe do something else, whether it's more restructure
Speaker 1: or something, if they want to be active beyond just
Speaker 1: going out in the market. Guys, they've got twenty something
Speaker 1: plus free agents on their own roster, so I'm very
Speaker 1: curious to see what happens. I mean, certainly some of
Speaker 1: their guys. I'm sure they want to bring back. They're
Speaker 1: going to have to bring back some guys, and I'm
Speaker 1: just really curious now that the negotiating window has started today,
Speaker 1: what's going to happen. You know, we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: that a little bit later, but how many guys are
Speaker 1: going to settle for one year deals just because hey,
Speaker 1: just bank on the cap going up next year, and
Speaker 1: instead of instead of putting myself in a lower multi
Speaker 1: year deal than I could normally get, just bank on
Speaker 1: myself and sign a one year deal for less and
Speaker 1: go get it next year. So that might help the
Speaker 1: Cowboys ultimately beyond the first wave because I usually they're
Speaker 1: not in that first wave, and it's hard to see
Speaker 1: them doing that this year. Heck Man. Yeah, that one
Speaker 1: eighty two point five is going to not only affect
Speaker 1: that Dallas Cowboys, is gonna affect a lot of teams.
Speaker 1: So they're gonna they're they're thirty one other teams that
Speaker 1: may not be able to keep guys that they if
Speaker 1: the salary cap had been a regular football year without COVID,
Speaker 1: may have been able to get guys signed. So there
Speaker 1: may be a lot of talent here out on the
Speaker 1: free market in just a few right, So with all
Speaker 1: the with all of the guys that we're looking to sign,
Speaker 1: one of the things that you have to ensure, you know,
Speaker 1: Will McClay and his staff are really, you know, closely
Speaker 1: looking at the fact that there is some talent in
Speaker 1: the free agent market. I know we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: that in a few but there are a lot guys
Speaker 1: that you probably wouldn't necessarily been able to get. You
Speaker 1: talk about the number that the Cowboys have a free agents,
Speaker 1: and that's a that's a lot. And when you only
Speaker 1: have eighteen million plus the draft to try and choose,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of divvy up those funds. I'm really
Speaker 1: interested to see how they're gonna get dance around this.
Speaker 1: And it may be that they're looking at other players
Speaker 1: on other rosters to get that done with. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I'm with you guys, man, but but I think the
Speaker 1: reality is I think Robber the heck of a job
Speaker 1: really breaking down the financial positioning of the Cowboys. I mean,
Speaker 1: these guys, the realities. These guys got about ten million
Speaker 1: dollars to play with. Yeah, how it is? Yeah, if that,
Speaker 1: how many guys can you get for that? You probably
Speaker 1: get two, maybe three impact guys, not stars, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So that's the reality. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not there's a lot of great players out there obviously
Speaker 1: that are skilled to play in this league. However, you
Speaker 1: can get you an impact player for about five million,
Speaker 1: a guy who's gonna come in and have a real effect,
Speaker 1: a star. You're going to spend your your whole little,
Speaker 1: your whole little allowance on one person. Right, So when
Speaker 1: we started talking about feeling up these spots, and that's
Speaker 1: not even addressing to free agents, right, So there's really
Speaker 1: not much room. And like you guys already said, they
Speaker 1: have to make a lot of other moves if they
Speaker 1: plan on being active, if they even plan on feeling
Speaker 1: out this roster. So I just kind of want to
Speaker 1: play Devil's advocate here. I love doing that on this show.
Speaker 1: But the cap has already shown that it can be
Speaker 1: easily manipulated. I mean, there are plenty of ways for
Speaker 1: you to either kick the can down the road like
Speaker 1: we did with Dak Prescott for three years, or you
Speaker 1: can figure out a way to restructure deals, which the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have already done with Lyell Collins, Zack Martin, and
Speaker 1: Tyrn Smith. Those three offensive linemen already having their contracts
Speaker 1: restructured to have saved you seventeen million dollars. So is
Speaker 1: there not a way to continue doing that? Rob, I
Speaker 1: know you said that there was one more place, or
Speaker 1: excuse me, a couple more things that they probably should do.
Speaker 1: I think Jalen Smith is on that list. I think
Speaker 1: there's maybe a DeMarcus Lawrence on that list that could
Speaker 1: maybe help you out contract wise there if you wanted
Speaker 1: to restructure. But it is confusing from a money standpoint
Speaker 1: because it's easy to manipulate the cap, but it's not
Speaker 1: so easy to find that cap room for free agents
Speaker 1: to go and signed. Right. Well, yeah, I mean they
Speaker 1: you're right, they can create more room. They can they
Speaker 1: can restructure Tank again. They could restructure Amari Cooper. Now,
Speaker 1: the thing with that is, you know, if you were
Speaker 1: to move on at some point from Amari, that's been speculated,
Speaker 1: and I just I don't really I don't see that
Speaker 1: as much as maybe other people do, just because he
Speaker 1: had ninety three catches or ninety two catches last year
Speaker 1: and he's your best receiver, but it's structured and very friendly.
Speaker 1: As you move into future years, you restructure him, that's
Speaker 1: not the case anymore. And so that's that's what you
Speaker 1: constantly have to weigh with these restructures. But sure, they
Speaker 1: can open up millions of dollars in more room if
Speaker 1: they want to touch more deals like that. How so
Speaker 1: it's possible, and I wouldn't rule that out, But I'm
Speaker 1: just saying right now they are well under the cap.
Speaker 1: That's great, but they have a lot of work to do,
Speaker 1: and they don't you know, they don't have a ton
Speaker 1: of room when you really factor in everything they need
Speaker 1: to do in the coming months. Rob explain this to me.
Speaker 1: How does the rollover cap work? From a cowboy standpoint,
Speaker 1: because you not only have that one eighty two point
Speaker 1: five as the pure salary cap, but the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: close to twenty seven million actually a little bit over
Speaker 1: twenty seven million that they have in rollovercap that from
Speaker 1: twenty twenty could be allocated. But what does that do specifically?
Speaker 1: Can you go through and explain exactly what that money
Speaker 1: is over what the cap already allocates. That's confusing, and
Speaker 1: I don't I think it has something to do with
Speaker 1: dead money. It's it's not you see that number and
Speaker 1: you think, oh, they have all that all that room.
Speaker 1: They don't. It's it's hard to explain, but it's it's
Speaker 1: what you're really looking at is what the actual cap
Speaker 1: number is and what they're able to where they are
Speaker 1: and before the before the deck deal, I think they
Speaker 1: were still over the cap when you factor everything in.
Speaker 1: So that got them, that got them underneath. You mentioned
Speaker 1: the seventeen million or so from the three restructures, so
Speaker 1: they're in a decent spot. You look around the league
Speaker 1: and there's some teams that have a decent amount of
Speaker 1: cap space. I mean, there's some guys, some teams that
Speaker 1: can get out there and make some moves. So there's
Speaker 1: gonna be. Like Isaiah mentioned, there's some guys at the
Speaker 1: top of the market that are probably still going to
Speaker 1: get their money. But I'm just really curious to see
Speaker 1: how many guys who are quality players are like, man,
Speaker 1: this is this sucks. You know, maybe I'll just take
Speaker 1: a one year deal here, or stay here on one
Speaker 1: year deal and next year when the team, maybe when
Speaker 1: the TV money comes in, or just when things are
Speaker 1: better in the world, the cap goes back to where
Speaker 1: it is or where it should be, and guys can
Speaker 1: get what they're worth. I'm without there. I'm without said
Speaker 1: on the fact that you know, no matter what type
Speaker 1: of grocery shopping whatever, you got on that list, let's
Speaker 1: have guys on there that are impact guys, Guys that
Speaker 1: if they signed a one year deal, it's we're not
Speaker 1: back to where we were last year. Looking at what
Speaker 1: the heck did we do in free agency? Is why
Speaker 1: is this guy able to back the brink truck up
Speaker 1: at the start and get paid to go. You know,
Speaker 1: that's that's what we can't afford. And look, that's why
Speaker 1: the Dak deal was so important, and we kept hammering
Speaker 1: that home that dude, if we don't get this done.
Speaker 1: We're pretty much where you talk about eighteen million dollars
Speaker 1: without the Dak deal and a franchise tag. We're less
Speaker 1: than that and unable to really get anybody signed. We
Speaker 1: know for sure, defensive line wise, we're gonna need to
Speaker 1: get some help. Maybe we go into the draft. That's
Speaker 1: the number one thing. But there are some other positions
Speaker 1: on this team, and I don't want to say a
Speaker 1: curse word like safety, but we're gonna have to explore
Speaker 1: trying to get an effective guy that if he signed
Speaker 1: a one year deal, fine, you know, but who is
Speaker 1: that guy? Because we're gonna have to bargain shop for
Speaker 1: absolutely for that guy. And the last time I check, man,
Speaker 1: if you're shopping for guys on the bargain, you're really
Speaker 1: not gonna give much because you get what you pay for. See.
Speaker 1: But isn't that what this offseason is gonna be, Because
Speaker 1: that's kind of the question I asked early on. You
Speaker 1: got the deal done, you restructured the offensive lineman, and
Speaker 1: you have a little bit of extra space to work with.
Speaker 1: That's great, That's all fine and dandy until you look
Speaker 1: at Oh wait, I've got, like Rob said, twenty free
Speaker 1: agents on my own roster. You're gonna have to bargain hunt.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna be able to go be high spenders
Speaker 1: in this free agency class. You're not gonna be able
Speaker 1: to go hand pick guys like Patrick Peterson and Jadevian Clowney, Like,
Speaker 1: You're not gonna be able to go get those guys
Speaker 1: because you just have to find a way to bargain hunt.
Speaker 1: But you just got to do it better than you
Speaker 1: did in twenty twenty. No, I agree, and you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to do that. And regardless of it, Like I said, Kyle,
Speaker 1: you get what you pay for this league, and if
Speaker 1: you're going out and you get you know, older veterans,
Speaker 1: guys long in the tooth that are at the end
Speaker 1: of their playing days and expect for them to come
Speaker 1: to Dallas and rejuvenate their careers. We just got to
Speaker 1: get out of that and actually get guys that can't
Speaker 1: be effective. And I just feel like that whole bart
Speaker 1: we're still in a pickle. We're in a pickle. But
Speaker 1: the thing about the pickle we're in, everybody else is
Speaker 1: in it too. So there are guys that teams are
Speaker 1: gonna want to sign him because of the draft. Because
Speaker 1: of the the cap being where it is, they're not
Speaker 1: going to be able to sign him, and I think
Speaker 1: that's where the advantage may be for the Cowboys. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: and there this is their comfort level. Sorry, this is
Speaker 1: real quick, This is their comfort level. They don't like
Speaker 1: being top of market anyway, so usually they like to
Speaker 1: pick their spots and I don't think they're gonna have
Speaker 1: as much of a choice anyway this year. And and
Speaker 1: you know, when Stephen was asked about it at Dak's
Speaker 1: press conference last week, he did reference the draft. They
Speaker 1: got ten draft picks now with four compensatory picks, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to imagine all of them making
Speaker 1: the team, but that might be the best way they
Speaker 1: can add talent, you know. But again, there may be
Speaker 1: some bargains out there and maybe guys willing to settle
Speaker 1: for less. I mean, there's always a chance, right fellas.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's alreays somebody who's out there really were
Speaker 1: willing to take a little bit less than other. However,
Speaker 1: you know, as as Heckman mentioned, I mean, everybody in
Speaker 1: this league can play. It really comes down to if
Speaker 1: you do go out there and get some of these discounts,
Speaker 1: discount players. What is the coaching staff going to be
Speaker 1: able to do to bring that bring that dog back
Speaker 1: out of them? Yeah, And I think that's that's the
Speaker 1: fact that that's the thing that we're really overlooking right now.
Speaker 1: It's not always just about Okay, the player just comes
Speaker 1: in and it's supposed to just ball out these Just
Speaker 1: because these guys professionals doesn't mean that they need they
Speaker 1: need that. They don't need coaching, they don't need motivation,
Speaker 1: they don't need a mentor to really get them, get
Speaker 1: the best out of them if possible. That's why there's
Speaker 1: professional coaches. So these guys there are there's a ton
Speaker 1: of talent that's fully capable of playing in this league
Speaker 1: that really has untapped potential that these coaches are going
Speaker 1: to have to bring out of some of these guys,
Speaker 1: maybe a guys on his roster already, maybe as guys
Speaker 1: outside of his roster. But either way, these coaches have
Speaker 1: their have their hands pull and getting the most out
Speaker 1: of whoever they acquire. Dan Quinn has his hands fully,
Speaker 1: yes he does. And there are potentials for dan Quinn
Speaker 1: out there on the free agent market that could fit
Speaker 1: into his system and really I think this defense is
Speaker 1: one or two And this is gonna sound crazy, but
Speaker 1: just based off of the injuries last year and how
Speaker 1: bad they were last year, but the growth that you
Speaker 1: saw on the backside of the defense, you're one or
Speaker 1: two studs dogs away from being a decent defense. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying top of the league by any means. There's
Speaker 1: a long that's a long way to go to the
Speaker 1: top of the league. But being a formidable defense is
Speaker 1: only one or two players away. And I think dan
Speaker 1: Quinn allows you to do that. But now we get
Speaker 1: to see are there any of those dogs out on
Speaker 1: the open market. When we come back on Talking Cowboys,
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Speaker 1: on on my Instagram. I have to get back. I
Speaker 1: have to get better with Twitter. Man. Twitter is like
Speaker 1: I'm just not on there that much. I know. That's
Speaker 1: that's y'all. Stay. I have to do better. I'm just
Speaker 1: you know, I'm on and I'm gone. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: on way on there because I have to be. There's like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's conversation back and forth and I you know,
Speaker 1: guys know my schedule. So yeah, yeah, I'm working on it.
Speaker 1: That's true. I love Twitter. I think Twitter is a
Speaker 1: lot of fun and there's so many fun people out there.
Speaker 1: Now there's so many not so fun people out there
Speaker 1: on Twitter as well, so it kind of goes back
Speaker 1: and forth. But that's the problem. That's the point. You
Speaker 1: kind of have to balance the two of them. But
Speaker 1: let's see how the Cowboys are going to balance this offseason.
Speaker 1: And we of course with March Madness and North Texas Dancing,
Speaker 1: they're an official partner of the Cowboys, so I'm going
Speaker 1: to talk about them as much as i want on
Speaker 1: this show. That's fantastic. So I'm a proud North Texas
Speaker 1: a lum as you can probably tell as I'm were
Speaker 1: in the Green today. But there's also much madness and
Speaker 1: in not only basketball, but there's March Madness in terms
Speaker 1: of the free agency. So we're gonna kind of merge
Speaker 1: the two of them, between the Cowboys and the NFL offseason,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna get winners, losers, and Cinderella picks out
Speaker 1: of free agency here on this show. And each one
Speaker 1: of us has a secret pick of all three of these.
Speaker 1: So we have not discussed this between the four of us.
Speaker 1: We've kept these quiet. And the winner is basically somebody
Speaker 1: you want the Cowboys to go sign, or that you
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys will go sign. The loser is somebody
Speaker 1: from the Cowboys that you don't think is going to
Speaker 1: be on the Cowboys next year. And then Cinderella means
Speaker 1: throw the money out of the table or on the table,
Speaker 1: let's go get this guy, because this is my dream
Speaker 1: free agent signing. So I'm gonna start things off, and
Speaker 1: my start, I'm gonna start with my loser, and it's
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis or excuse me, Xavier Wood. Jordan Lewis was
Speaker 1: my win at one point, but I switched it. So
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods is my loss at safety, fourth year, five
Speaker 1: career interceptions, and ultimately, I just don't think the money's
Speaker 1: gonna be there enough for the Cowboys to bring him back,
Speaker 1: nor do they really want him back. I think they
Speaker 1: have better options out on the free agent market. One
Speaker 1: of which is my win. A Kean O'Neil, former Atlantis
Speaker 1: safety who played for dan Quinn, had a ton of
Speaker 1: injury issues in the last three years, except in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty where he played fourteen out of the sixteen games,
Speaker 1: and he actually showed a little bit of physical prowess
Speaker 1: toward the end of the season. I think he would
Speaker 1: be one of those guys that you could get on
Speaker 1: a bit of a discount because of the injury. History's
Speaker 1: a former first round pick and he's played with dan Quinn.
Speaker 1: He could fit that free safety spot right next to
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson. So he is my win, My Cinderella, throw
Speaker 1: the money at him. How about Patrick Peterson out of Arizona.
Speaker 1: I think Patrick p could be not only a good corner,
Speaker 1: but you could switch him over to safety if you
Speaker 1: really wanted to, Because of course he's toward the end
Speaker 1: of his contract. Neil is only twenty six. Patrick Peterson's
Speaker 1: in his thirties at this point, or at least closing
Speaker 1: in on his thirties. I don't remember exactly what it
Speaker 1: was so he is he is thirty one, But I
Speaker 1: think Patrick p is somebody the Cowboys could bring in
Speaker 1: as that veteran presence in the secondary that could help
Speaker 1: grow guys like Treyvon Diggs, Anthony Brown, and even Donovan
Speaker 1: Wilson back their communication. Wise, I think it would be
Speaker 1: huge for Dan Quinn and that secondary. Thoughts on that one.
Speaker 1: Heckma Neil is my win, Xavier Woods is my loss,
Speaker 1: and then Patrick p is the Cinderella No I like.
Speaker 1: I like uh Neil. I don't want to say Kennel rees.
Speaker 1: You know I almost said the same thing again the replacement.
Speaker 1: Uh So you know I like him as well, and
Speaker 1: I think the familiarity with with Quinn I think makes
Speaker 1: it a win for the Cowboys. And again you can
Speaker 1: get him on the cheat the ACL injury. Hopefully he's
Speaker 1: back from that. But he's a guy that when he
Speaker 1: was recruited, well he was drafted in Atlanta, they had
Speaker 1: the similarities between him and the free safeties and strong
Speaker 1: safeties in Seattle. Never lived up to that, especially with
Speaker 1: the with the injury. So he's a guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: we talked about him weeks ago, being the familiarity maybe
Speaker 1: someone that you get um. And also, I love what
Speaker 1: you said about Pat P. I think Pat I've been
Speaker 1: saying this for a while man that we have to
Speaker 1: get someone with that veteran leadership that's going to get
Speaker 1: us over the home. So I like, so I want
Speaker 1: to just I wanna There was a Twitter comment or
Speaker 1: a periscope comment. We just talked about periscope and Twitter
Speaker 1: a second ago, but he said Pat Pete is not
Speaker 1: coming here with extra exclamation points and then the shrugging emojis.
Speaker 1: That's the point. That's why it's a Cinderella because if
Speaker 1: I if I thought he was going to come here,
Speaker 1: this is like what was that ron? Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: like Cleveland State making the Final four. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: this is just like you know, this is like banking
Speaker 1: on a thirteen seed to get in. This is Loyola's
Speaker 1: Chicago making a run. That's what we're talking about with
Speaker 1: Cinderella is here. So dream big is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And that's why Patrick Peterson is my I think Neil
Speaker 1: is more likely. I don't think Patrick p is likely
Speaker 1: at all, and that's why I put him as my Cinderella. Rob.
Speaker 1: What are your three picks? Oh okay, so I'll do
Speaker 1: what you did, Kyle. Start with my loss. I'll go
Speaker 1: with Cheeto as the loss. In free agency and We've
Speaker 1: talked about this a little bit, former second round pick,
Speaker 1: his pure skill level, even though he's had some injuries
Speaker 1: and has struggled at times. I think there's a chance
Speaker 1: he's got a deal out there that the Cowboys wouldn't
Speaker 1: be able to match, or you know, just we talked
Speaker 1: about their cap situation, so I'll go there as a
Speaker 1: potential replacement. And again, like we talk about free agency,
Speaker 1: trying to cover yourself for the draft too. When I
Speaker 1: saw Casey Hayward getting released by the Chargers, that perked
Speaker 1: my ears up a little bit over the weekend. You know,
Speaker 1: he's thirty one, but to be thirty two was a
Speaker 1: pro bowler a few years ago. I get that. I
Speaker 1: get that. But he did play with Mike for Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 1: did play for Joe Witt, So that one's interesting. And
Speaker 1: actually the cornerback market is a little bit more robust
Speaker 1: than maybe we thought because there's been a lot of
Speaker 1: guys getting released. Maybe there's not as much money to
Speaker 1: go around for all of them that could be Cheeto included.
Speaker 1: But that one kind of stood out to me. Wouldn't
Speaker 1: keep you from draft in a cornerback high. You know,
Speaker 1: if if the value was there for you in the draft? Okay, Cinderella,
Speaker 1: y way do I think this is going to happen?
Speaker 1: But this is where I'm thinking. I have to stick
Speaker 1: with what I've said. The biggest need on this defense,
Speaker 1: and to me, it's a big, strong, disruptive nose tackle.
Speaker 1: Give me Dalvin Tomlinson, the highest rated D tackle on
Speaker 1: the market. He'll probably go back to the Giants. If
Speaker 1: he doesn't, he's gonna get a deal the Cowboys wouldn't
Speaker 1: be able to get involved in. I'm very confident of that.
Speaker 1: But that's where I'm thinking, whether it's free agency or
Speaker 1: the draft. I don't know how great a draft it
Speaker 1: is Kyle at that position, it's not great. Maybe they
Speaker 1: bring back Hand it's not great. Maybe you know, I
Speaker 1: would expect him to bring back Antoine Woods or try
Speaker 1: and restricted free agency. They like their young tackles there,
Speaker 1: but I would continue looking to try to get some
Speaker 1: help there. In the seventh round mock draft that I
Speaker 1: put in or I submitted to the draft magazine this morning,
Speaker 1: I actually had the Cowboys taking a defensive tackle in
Speaker 1: the third round, so that I think that's such a
Speaker 1: need for this organization and for that defense. Especially for
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn to maybe try and help fix these linebackers
Speaker 1: a little bit. It's huge. I think that's a huge piece.
Speaker 1: But like you said, man, that would be a lot
Speaker 1: for Tomlinson, like as the as the number one defensive
Speaker 1: tackle that is, that's gonna be a hefty Cinderella move,
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. But I don't think it's out
Speaker 1: of the question though. You think this guy, Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: just having fun. I like it. Heck, what are your three? No? Man?
Speaker 1: Get no man, nope, nope no. I just called on you.
Speaker 1: I just called on you, and you get to go first.
Speaker 1: You go first because we're saving We got Isaiah, I
Speaker 1: know you got. He got some joke. Your graphics are
Speaker 1: pack go ahead. Made your three? All right? So Chris,
Speaker 1: first of all, Chris Beams said that we could you know,
Speaker 1: it was all the secret and we wouldn't be able
Speaker 1: to pick the same guy. But then Rob goes before
Speaker 1: me and he takes mine. Guys, So thanks for Rob,
Speaker 1: as I had always do that to man always. I
Speaker 1: how I like how the rules change as we go.
Speaker 1: But it's all good. So I do have Cheeto as
Speaker 1: my guy that I think is the odd man out.
Speaker 1: But you know, there's you know, Alden Smith. I'm also
Speaker 1: looking at him as well man because I think the
Speaker 1: rest of the league has seen the production that he's had,
Speaker 1: and I think he just may receive an offer that
Speaker 1: we can't match because of his production in those earlier games.
Speaker 1: But when I look around in free agency for guys,
Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler is my guy that I would like to
Speaker 1: bring in. The reason being it's because he's a proven commodity.
Speaker 1: Last year with Tennessee had five interceptions. I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, first of all, there's going to have to
Speaker 1: be some type of senior leadership in the back end
Speaker 1: of our defense, and I think that's what we've lacked.
Speaker 1: I think we've talked about bringing in Earl Thomas and
Speaker 1: all of that went away. Don't don't do it, Isaiah.
Speaker 1: But you know, when you talk about Malcolm Butler, he's
Speaker 1: a proven commodity. He's a guy that you know, has
Speaker 1: championship pedigree, and I think if we bring him in,
Speaker 1: he'll fit nicely into that cornerback meeting room. Now, my
Speaker 1: Cinderella is actually going to turn the draft show's carriage
Speaker 1: into a pumpkin, because you're going to have to give
Speaker 1: up the farm for this guy. But my Cinderella pick
Speaker 1: is Justin Simmons from the from Denver. Look, guys, there
Speaker 1: isn't there isn't a free agent and that free safety
Speaker 1: right now that can match this guy's ball skills and
Speaker 1: that's what we need. You know, the term ballhawk is
Speaker 1: you so loosely, but when you turn on the tape,
Speaker 1: he is closing on everything. I mean, great tackler, great teammate,
Speaker 1: but man, just his ball abilities, I think single high safety.
Speaker 1: You trust him back there. He's just you know, in
Speaker 1: Denver's defense right now. He does it all. But again
Speaker 1: you would have to give up two first and so
Speaker 1: again I'm wrecking the draft show by going to That's
Speaker 1: okay rickon next year's draft show too. Yeah, you're probably
Speaker 1: gonna have to take both of them out of there.
Speaker 1: Sixteen career interceptions, closing in on three hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: tackles in just five seasons. You talk about ballhawk, and
Speaker 1: that's what Justin Simmons brings to the table. I thought
Speaker 1: for a second there that that Denver tagged Justin Simmons.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to look that up. They did tackle.
Speaker 1: So you're talking about trading for this guy. This isn't
Speaker 1: this isn't March madness in terms of free agent you're
Speaker 1: wanting to Actually, that's why you're giving up the farm. Okay,
Speaker 1: I get I get it now, I'm caught up. I'm
Speaker 1: caught up, all right. Heck ma Harris, or excuse me,
Speaker 1: Isaiah Stanback. We have put you last for good reason
Speaker 1: because you came in guns of blazing to our WebEx
Speaker 1: zoom call thing that we have as as saying that
Speaker 1: you were gonna throw out the craziest name in terms
Speaker 1: of Cinderella. If it's Tom Brady, I'm gonna give you
Speaker 1: so much. Okay, well give me your list. Two are
Speaker 1: your three guys. There's nothing, I mean, there's nothing crazy.
Speaker 1: It's probably Cinderella. For me, is is very attainable, you know.
Speaker 1: So I was like, think, who saw like the very
Speaker 1: pretty girl. It was like, you know what, she's probably
Speaker 1: out of my league, but I still have a chance.
Speaker 1: You're saying there's a chance. Right, So we when we
Speaker 1: talk about when we talk about losses, I think that
Speaker 1: our loss wise, I think that we are going to lose. Um.
Speaker 1: Of course, I just freaking blank out god, Oh you
Speaker 1: got it, Aldon Smith Smith, Aldon Smith, I think we're
Speaker 1: gonna lose Alton Smith, so I think all Smith is
Speaker 1: gone um and I think at at the safety position
Speaker 1: UM for a win for us, it's Keyan O'Neill. I
Speaker 1: think we I think we can definitely go out there
Speaker 1: and grab him. However, I feel pretty dog one good
Speaker 1: about about our stronger safety position. A little young gun
Speaker 1: we got out there, Wilson. So if we can't get
Speaker 1: Kean O'Neil that, I think we can go out there
Speaker 1: and get Ricardo Allen. So if we like him, I
Speaker 1: think we go grab Allen. So depending on how those
Speaker 1: guys feel about their secondary, you get one of those
Speaker 1: two guys because he's experienced their experience and there and
Speaker 1: they understand the system. Now, as we talk about Cinderella,
Speaker 1: I'm going out there getting my dog kJ right out
Speaker 1: of Seattle, kJ right out of Seattle. Reason being, kJ
Speaker 1: is a dog, not d og. He's a dawg, right,
Speaker 1: so that's how I spell a dog around here. And
Speaker 1: he is a guy who was a great player, he's
Speaker 1: a great teammate, a great citizen, right, and he understands
Speaker 1: this program. He understands the system that Quinn is coming
Speaker 1: in with I think that we're definitely gonna be running
Speaker 1: a lot more for three. So I think that if
Speaker 1: you had him out there that linebacker, and you had
Speaker 1: the Wolf on Wall Street, and you had dog on
Speaker 1: mister and missus shades him set off son of Shades,
Speaker 1: I think that both the trio at that second level
Speaker 1: would be absolutely amazing. Now, yes, you guys are gonna say,
Speaker 1: we still have holes of feeling on the D line,
Speaker 1: of course, of course, of course we got holes everywhere. However,
Speaker 1: if you had those three at three hited monster at linebacker,
Speaker 1: I think we all can feel pretty dug one good
Speaker 1: about our second level and about our box, regardless of
Speaker 1: who would eight throwing in there. So, looking at his
Speaker 1: market value right now, his market values two years closing
Speaker 1: in on fifteen millions, so about seven and a half
Speaker 1: a year is probably what you would be allotting to
Speaker 1: kJ right, I don't think that's necessarily out of the question,
Speaker 1: especially if you see a need at linebacker arise with
Speaker 1: maybe Sean Lee's retirement or whatever ends up happening with him.
Speaker 1: If you bring back a guy like let's say Justin Thomas,
Speaker 1: and you have kJ right in there as that rotation
Speaker 1: with those four guys. I'd feel a lot better about
Speaker 1: that than I did in twenty twenty about that position,
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. And I don't think seven and
Speaker 1: a half million to him is necessarily out of the question. Now,
Speaker 1: Like we said earlier, there's gonna have to be some restructuring.
Speaker 1: There's gonna have to be some kind of change in
Speaker 1: terms of the money in order to get to that point.
Speaker 1: But even though that's a Cinderella, I think that's a
Speaker 1: pretty good little underdog Cinderella story that might make a
Speaker 1: run to the final four there, Isaiah, Cinderella is a
Speaker 1: girl that you can still get. You just gotta shoot
Speaker 1: your shot. It's just shot. You better tell Kyle and
Speaker 1: College to the shot boy talking about Mars Mannus, you
Speaker 1: miss one hundred percent of the shot you don't take. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah it is. I mean, but I like kJ wrighting
Speaker 1: and you can't understate his value to those sensing to
Speaker 1: the Seattle organization. Man, that would be big time for
Speaker 1: them to lose him. I mean, he's been a stud
Speaker 1: in that organization for a very very long time. So
Speaker 1: you know, look, kJ wright that's one I really I
Speaker 1: really like that and then also, h your winner. I
Speaker 1: think that's obtainable. Also, So out of the the more
Speaker 1: realistic one, go for it. Rob. Now I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that that's probably that's a more realistic trio than probably
Speaker 1: where we had. That's that's a good one. That's good.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what my thought process was. And my
Speaker 1: next question was gonna say, out of the four list
Speaker 1: that we had, which one did you like the best?
Speaker 1: In which one would fix the Cowboys? Quicker is my
Speaker 1: thought process, And I'm not necessarily talking about the Cinderellas,
Speaker 1: but I mean we've thrown Neil's name out there a
Speaker 1: couple of times because of his familiarity with dan Quinn,
Speaker 1: the potential of getting him on a bit of a
Speaker 1: discount because of the injury history, but also not to
Speaker 1: mention a high ceiling as a former first round pick
Speaker 1: and somebody that of course was drafted to Atlanta because
Speaker 1: of his similarities to what Seattle had when dan Quinn
Speaker 1: was there. So, out of the guys here that we've mentioned,
Speaker 1: which one do you feel like is the most realistic?
Speaker 1: Is it Neil? Or is it more realistic to see
Speaker 1: one of those guys leave the Cowboys like a Cheetah,
Speaker 1: a Woozier and Xavier Woods or an Alden Smith. I
Speaker 1: think all of those things are likely. Everything that you
Speaker 1: just said is likely simply because by sure numbers and
Speaker 1: cap hit, we may not be able to keep Cheeto.
Speaker 1: And then again, other teams may covet his ability and
Speaker 1: not give us an opportunity to to be able to resign.
Speaker 1: But I like the uh Rob, the cornerback from San Diego.
Speaker 1: What was this his last name? Hayward Casey Hayward. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: he's He's a guy that I've liked for a very
Speaker 1: long time. And I think realistically, even based off of
Speaker 1: his age and all of that, he's he's somebody that
Speaker 1: you know, realistically we could get, you know, that wouldn't
Speaker 1: be expensive at all, That may be more app to
Speaker 1: sign a one year deal versus some of these other
Speaker 1: guys that we've mentioned. So we got to and they
Speaker 1: you know, they would have It would have to be
Speaker 1: a situation where he's number one. The Cowboys feel like
Speaker 1: he still played a high level too. Maybe he would
Speaker 1: want to go somewhere familiar where I've played for this
Speaker 1: coach and this coach and and it seems like a
Speaker 1: good fit. I think it's a It seems like it
Speaker 1: could be a possibility, but again it's just everything's going
Speaker 1: to come down to money. And again, you can structure
Speaker 1: deals in a certain way to make it fit under
Speaker 1: the cap. You can do that too, but I'm very
Speaker 1: curious the how it works. It'll be interesting because the
Speaker 1: cap is manipulated enough to at least give you a chance.
Speaker 1: But how much of a chance are you going to
Speaker 1: get if you if you start bringing in some of
Speaker 1: these big name free agents. So that leads us to
Speaker 1: the question of what does the draft bring for this
Speaker 1: off season. I want to check in with you guys.
Speaker 1: It's been a little bit since we talked about the draft.
Speaker 1: I want to see where you guys lie in terms
Speaker 1: of draft strategy. When we come back on the other
Speaker 1: side of the break. We've talked a lot about the secondary.
Speaker 1: Is offensive tackle a potential in terms of the NFL Draft.
Speaker 1: We'll mention it when we come back. You're on Talking
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Speaker 1: but that's because I like pushing you to be a
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Speaker 1: All right. You never fail, You never failed, Kyle Um.
Speaker 1: Let's look at draft because the next couple big offseason dates.
Speaker 1: Of course, today being a big offseason dates where teams
Speaker 1: can officially start negotiating with these free agents and actually
Speaker 1: agreeing to terms. Whereas the league year starts on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: At what is it three pm Eastern time or three
Speaker 1: pm Central time, four pm Eastern rom is that whenever
Speaker 1: the league year starts and it's officially new year in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Yeah, and hey, one quick free agency update
Speaker 1: is we get going report from ESPN that Cam Irving
Speaker 1: swing tackle Win Healthy is going to sign with the
Speaker 1: Panthers twins and ten million. So that didn't take. So
Speaker 1: that's that's an example, right, that's an example. Like Cowboy,
Speaker 1: he's had Irving under contract, Yeah for like two and
Speaker 1: a half million to be the back. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you can have that luxury this year. Come on, Camy,
Speaker 1: five minute happened to Cam? Good job getting your money.
Speaker 1: He got that money money, he played it played a
Speaker 1: total of what three games total with the Cowboys last year? Miss?
Speaker 1: Yeah he missed ten games last year. Okay, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think he started three or whatever it ended up being.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I mean there's a luxury like you
Speaker 1: talked about. No, that's great for him. I think you
Speaker 1: need to look at tackle in the draft. And I'm
Speaker 1: still gonna die on that that that hill. But I
Speaker 1: want to go through these off season dates real quickly.
Speaker 1: So the new league years starts on Wednesday, and then
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks after that, on April fifth, that's
Speaker 1: the start of the off season for new head coaches.
Speaker 1: The nineteenth is the start of workouts for everyone. So
Speaker 1: the NFL workouts we'll get started on April nineteenth. Last
Speaker 1: day of restricted free agent signings is on the twenty third,
Speaker 1: and then the last day to match those restricted free
Speaker 1: agent signings is the twenty eighth of April, the day
Speaker 1: before the twenty twenty one INFL Draft. So let's talk
Speaker 1: about that NFL draft. And like I said, going into
Speaker 1: the last break, it's been a while since I checked
Speaker 1: in on you guys, but I want to see we
Speaker 1: talked a lot about the secondary there. There was no
Speaker 1: offensive line talk really no offensive talkund around any of
Speaker 1: our March Madness picks. But whenever you look at this draft,
Speaker 1: tak Mo, where are your priorities lying? Is it still
Speaker 1: with going corner early on and drafting heavy defense throughout
Speaker 1: the entirety of the draft? Do you want to sell
Speaker 1: high on offense early and maybe pick up some of
Speaker 1: those defensive guys in the next couple of rounds. Where
Speaker 1: are you thinking? Whenever it comes to the Cowboys in
Speaker 1: April twenty ninth. Yeah, I think you know, obviously, when
Speaker 1: you talk about the defense, it was abysmal. And if
Speaker 1: you're not looking at getting better on defense, than you're
Speaker 1: lying to yourself. But if there's just I can't deny
Speaker 1: this guy at ten staring you in the face, then
Speaker 1: you gotta get him too. And I won't bore you
Speaker 1: with any particulars, but I will say this that I
Speaker 1: do feel as though defense has to be the priority
Speaker 1: no matter what. And so there have been a number
Speaker 1: of guys that's been thrown around, whether it be the
Speaker 1: guy from the defensive lineman from Alabama. A lot of
Speaker 1: people don't feel like bar Marshall gol at ten. But
Speaker 1: it just depends on where we covet these players and
Speaker 1: how they fit into the system. They're doing the interview process,
Speaker 1: they're doing pro days and all of that right now.
Speaker 1: But definitely cornerback, and we've talked about certain you know,
Speaker 1: the cornerback from Virginia Tech. I'm born as a kid
Speaker 1: from South Carolina. That's also excuse me, oh so stan
Speaker 1: Alabama Farley Virginia born South Carolina. I just wanted to
Speaker 1: clarify that. Yeah, so that's yeah, that's Joe also so
Speaker 1: we got a few guys that come from that pro pedigree.
Speaker 1: So either way, man, I just feel like you got
Speaker 1: to go there first off with you with the number
Speaker 1: ten pick. So you're still sticking with corner Rob. I
Speaker 1: know you're mister bpa here is there any opportunity to
Speaker 1: see Kyle Pitts or shots later? Are you against that?
Speaker 1: Are you sticking with defense? Don't do it. I can't Heck,
Speaker 1: this is for you. I can't do that. I can't
Speaker 1: do that unless it's ceedee Lamb style, like best player
Speaker 1: on my board at a tackle or tight end, and
Speaker 1: I just can't refuse it. Ky, this is probably gonna
Speaker 1: be the best player on your board, I will say,
Speaker 1: is he really going to be there at ten? Honestly? Yes?
Speaker 1: Like probably not, I think you will be I don't. Well,
Speaker 1: I think if you want to be better this year,
Speaker 1: and you just signed your quarterback to this mega deal,
Speaker 1: you might want to get better at defense and try
Speaker 1: to do something to help your defense. And look, I
Speaker 1: saw Peter King say, hey, this might be a situation
Speaker 1: where the top eight picks in the draft or all offense. Well,
Speaker 1: then you put yourself in a position to draft the
Speaker 1: best defensive player in the draft potentially. I like that idea.
Speaker 1: I mean, and I see I see the other side
Speaker 1: of it, like, well, maybe you just need your offense
Speaker 1: to put up forty a game next year. So I back, yeah, offense,
Speaker 1: and like and so okay, and that scenario, maybe the
Speaker 1: Pits pick makes sense. But I just I just have
Speaker 1: a hard time rationalizing that. You look at the roster
Speaker 1: and say, maybe there's two or three positions where you're
Speaker 1: just like they just it's not a need tight ends
Speaker 1: one of them tackle you can talk me into. More
Speaker 1: so than that, I say, where are you at? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I agree with you, guys, man. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: we have to address defense. I think if ran in
Speaker 1: a position to get one of these top three corners,
Speaker 1: and you gonna grab one of these top three corners,
Speaker 1: you develop them. Um, if you don't have a position,
Speaker 1: I have opportunity to grab one of those guys in
Speaker 1: United to grab yourself as a defensive alignment or office alignment.
Speaker 1: I think that our tackles probably have another couple of
Speaker 1: years left in them, So if you're not planning for
Speaker 1: their replacement, then you're planning to fail. So um, I
Speaker 1: think's Dak's current contracts will He'll be playing longer underneath
Speaker 1: this new contract than your officive tackles will will be
Speaker 1: playing in this league. So I think that you need
Speaker 1: to go out there and if you have, if you're
Speaker 1: in a position to grab those guys, you know Smith's
Speaker 1: replacement right now? Yeah, you go ahead. He sorry, I
Speaker 1: just wanted to say that, you know, you're right, And
Speaker 1: I think as far as the top, you know, top
Speaker 1: thirty two guys, that's that's something to be talked about.
Speaker 1: But also it's really going to be important rounds two
Speaker 1: through five if there's so so much talent in there
Speaker 1: and because guys opted out and you didn't get a
Speaker 1: chance to see them playing in twenty twenty, that's where
Speaker 1: I think there's really gonna be a challenge for a
Speaker 1: lot of scouting departments because there's so much talent in
Speaker 1: there with guys that didn't play last year. That's a
Speaker 1: great point. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, Kyle had a question
Speaker 1: for you, Yeah about offensive tackle. At what point do
Speaker 1: you think it just tops out this year in terms
Speaker 1: of town because it seems like there's a lot of
Speaker 1: guys in this class that are good enough to be
Speaker 1: picked in the top two rounds. Yeah, but can you
Speaker 1: wait past that and still get a future starter potentially,
Speaker 1: I would probably say midway through the third so probably
Speaker 1: top what would that be, top seventy five players, So
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have three picks in the top seventy five,
Speaker 1: I think you could probably get a starting caliber offensive tackle.
Speaker 1: By starting caliber, I mean can be a starter in
Speaker 1: the next two or three years, because Pine sul w
Speaker 1: Shaons later, Christian Darisaul all three year starters right now.
Speaker 1: They'll be the best lineman on a lot of rosters
Speaker 1: right now. And I'm not saying maybe the Cowboys roster
Speaker 1: because you've have Zach Martin, you have Lyle Collins hopefully
Speaker 1: healthy with him, and Tyron Smith. I would put those
Speaker 1: three guys up against any other offensive line in the
Speaker 1: country with Deris all Slater and Sewell. But after that
Speaker 1: then you have kind of a jumble of players like
Speaker 1: a Dylan Redunds and Alex Leatherwood. Redunds out of North
Speaker 1: Dakota State, Alex Leatherwood's out of Alabama, Lee and Eikenberg
Speaker 1: from Notre Dame, Spencer Brown Northern Iowa, Jalen Mayfield from Michigan.
Speaker 1: There are guys there that you could potentially draft Walker Little,
Speaker 1: who was an opt out out of Stanford who's just
Speaker 1: unbelievably talented. From a physical standboy, he's built like a fridge,
Speaker 1: but he's had some off the field issues. He's a
Speaker 1: twenty twenty opt out. Maybe he falls a little bit
Speaker 1: and you can maybe snag him. I think he's certainly
Speaker 1: a starter in caliber offen to tackle. But my biggest
Speaker 1: thing here is with those three guys up at the
Speaker 1: top that I mentioned that are starters right now, I
Speaker 1: think you sell high on those guys kind of like
Speaker 1: what Isaiah is saying is pick a premium position at
Speaker 1: a premium spot, and that's what number ten is. That's
Speaker 1: a premium spot. Go pick a position that's going to
Speaker 1: invest in keeping Dak Prescott on his feet and upright.
Speaker 1: Whereas the offensive line was the biggest storyline in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty outside of the Dak injury, because nobody could stay
Speaker 1: up right. Andy Dalton was running for his life. We
Speaker 1: saw what happened when Benda Nucci came in, Garrett Gilbert
Speaker 1: came in as well, because guess what, you had to
Speaker 1: use four different quarterbacks because your offensive line couldn't keep
Speaker 1: anybody up right. So I think you invest heavily had
Speaker 1: offensive tackle, and then you address the cornerback, the secondary,
Speaker 1: maybe even the defensive line in rounds two through five,
Speaker 1: like Heck was talking about, because I think there's just
Speaker 1: more guys there that can be starters at this moment
Speaker 1: than there are as offensive tackles in those middle rounds.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't disagree. The only thing I would say, though,
Speaker 1: I guess I do disagree a little bit in that
Speaker 1: Let's say you're even let's say you're not confident in
Speaker 1: night and Steel to take over for camp, I'm not. Maybe, well, okay,
Speaker 1: if you and you're not, and your best option anyway
Speaker 1: might be to do what you finally got around to
Speaker 1: doing last year, And that's if there's a problem at tackle,
Speaker 1: Zach Martin's your right tackle or your left tackle, and
Speaker 1: use your better depth inside to fill in that second
Speaker 1: spot at right guard. That's what I would do. Connor
Speaker 1: Williams can also play tackle in a pinch. I'm confident
Speaker 1: of that. The other thing too, and maybe the Cowboys
Speaker 1: just had to do this because they had to create space.
Speaker 1: The fact that they were willing to touch Lyle's contract
Speaker 1: and Tyrone's contract and push more money into future years
Speaker 1: with those restructures. It does tell me, and we've kind
Speaker 1: of heard this too, that they're doing well in their rehab.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm just thinking, like Isaiah said, you know,
Speaker 1: many years down the road, long term, you may have
Speaker 1: to start looking. But for this year, that tells me
Speaker 1: they think they're going to be fine for twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: And if I'm trying to win, now, that's why I'm
Speaker 1: thinking defense first. But I mean, that's that's right, that's
Speaker 1: right now, right, So like right, that's I mean, we
Speaker 1: know what's behind them or what's not behind them. Not
Speaker 1: no just no right, no disrespect. So I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're if you have an opportunity, so I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, Rob. We need to get a D lineman. Yes, However,
Speaker 1: if there's an amazing tackle, you know, to to Kyle's point,
Speaker 1: if there's an amazing tackle, grab them because there's not
Speaker 1: that many of them. Yeah. Right, that's probably the hardest
Speaker 1: quarterback quarterback in officsive tackle or probably the two hardest
Speaker 1: positions to be right on, agreed, fair, It's just that's
Speaker 1: that's just in the entire league. There's that's the two
Speaker 1: hardest positions to make sure that you have, and that's
Speaker 1: the reason why those guys get paid the most. Right,
Speaker 1: you can find a edge rusher, you can find good linebackers,
Speaker 1: you can find dbs, find receivers, running backs, all that.
Speaker 1: When it comes down to quarterbacks, we see what's going
Speaker 1: on there and officsive tackles. They play forever, and they
Speaker 1: still demand high dollar because you can't just teach that.
Speaker 1: So you need to grab it if it's there, because
Speaker 1: these guys are I mean how, I mean how many more?
Speaker 1: How many more years? You guys say he's gonna play two?
Speaker 1: He's a young thirty. He may be able to play
Speaker 1: two or three. Yeah, two more. They're hoping it's more
Speaker 1: than that because because if he if he doesn't, then
Speaker 1: the dead money on his contracts gonna be insane. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he can he play more? Probably will he play more?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think he gonna play two
Speaker 1: more years and shut it down. So, but you need it,
Speaker 1: you need to have his replacement ready. Shut it down
Speaker 1: a big man. I love what you what you're saying, Isaiah,
Speaker 1: and I think that's right. And obviously we all hope
Speaker 1: that Tyren Smith is healthy for the twenty twenty one season.
Speaker 1: But we've learned that that hope is not a strategy
Speaker 1: when it comes down to the health of our tackles. Yea,
Speaker 1: and we have to get we have to find a
Speaker 1: way to shore up the swing tackle position. And that's
Speaker 1: why if a guy like Slater presents himself at ten
Speaker 1: and I cringe because I knew he struggs is over
Speaker 1: this shoulder right here. That's why I'm like, man, we
Speaker 1: may captain. We may have to do that because later
Speaker 1: is a guy that not only can't he play the
Speaker 1: left tackle position if that, you know, again health wise
Speaker 1: becomes available, he's also a guy that you can slide
Speaker 1: into a guard position as a starter. So it's it's
Speaker 1: just what it is. You have to look at that
Speaker 1: and again planning to succeed and not to fail. Still
Speaker 1: had to learn on the job. He may be better
Speaker 1: this year because of what he had to go through
Speaker 1: and what OTAs may do for him as well. But
Speaker 1: I think the same things that we're facing and talking
Speaker 1: about free agency, there are going to be a lot
Speaker 1: of swing tackles out there on the market, you know.
Speaker 1: So we lost cam Irvin, but there's there are a
Speaker 1: few other guys out there that may present themselves in
Speaker 1: the next coming weeks that we can sign and get
Speaker 1: a good deal on them. I'm not worried about picking
Speaker 1: up a backup swing tackle. I'm not really worried about that.
Speaker 1: I'm worried about replacing the offensive line that you've invested
Speaker 1: already so heavily in to protect the investments that you
Speaker 1: have invested so heavily in on offense, including your quarterback,
Speaker 1: you're running back, and three different wide receivers. And yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm I'm just saying there are so many investments
Speaker 1: on that side of the football that if you put
Speaker 1: a below average and buy below average, I mean, one
Speaker 1: of the league worst offensive lines back out there in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one if the health doesn't stand up. Because,
Speaker 1: like Isaiah said, hope is not the right kind of
Speaker 1: answer whenever it comes to the offensive line. We saw
Speaker 1: that a year ago. I'm worried about that, and instead,
Speaker 1: I would rather have a super offensive line. I would
Speaker 1: rather have Tyrant Smith then with Rashonse later than with
Speaker 1: Tyler Biattish, Zack Martin and Lyle Collins and said, stop
Speaker 1: us defensive East, come at us Chase Young. Let's figure
Speaker 1: it out. Okay, Okay, I'm just hoping that dan Quinn's
Speaker 1: gonna come in because he's dan Quinn and fix everything
Speaker 1: without some some influx of talent. I don't think that's
Speaker 1: a strategy either, but it's a great it's a great argument.
Speaker 1: But we have holes everywhere though, right right right, holes everywhere.
Speaker 1: So absolutely we I think we're all on the same
Speaker 1: accord where we say that we need to get a
Speaker 1: defensive alignment. That's I think we're all in consensus. Name
Speaker 1: or however, Well, I think the bigger story here is that,
Speaker 1: like I said, you can't pass on a sure thing
Speaker 1: at tackle. Yep, you just can't. You can't do it,
Speaker 1: especially when you're when you're investing into your quarterback like this, right,
Speaker 1: your job is now to protect him. Why you think
Speaker 1: that freaking Russell Wilson is thinking about trying to get
Speaker 1: up out of Seattle because they haven't invested protecting him,
Speaker 1: right and so reality, when when they were investing money
Speaker 1: into protecting him, they were going to the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: year after year, right back to back. When they had
Speaker 1: they had they had the most salary heavy officer line
Speaker 1: in the league. Right, they have spent the allocade. The
Speaker 1: most fun was officer line, and I guess what it
Speaker 1: resulted in them going back to back Super Bowls. Then
Speaker 1: they got cocky and they said, you know, we can
Speaker 1: do it through free agency, right, we don't have to
Speaker 1: draft anybody, we have to develop anybody. And now look
Speaker 1: what's happening right now, they're on I'm talking about some
Speaker 1: other boys. I'm just starting to for somebody. I got
Speaker 1: an example. They say, Oh man, all right, is that
Speaker 1: where are y'all? Pits? Though? What if it's a tight
Speaker 1: end at ten? Now, okay, okay, because you can talk
Speaker 1: me more so into a tackle than tight end. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know how great Pits is as a prospect. I
Speaker 1: know it. But no, I no, I've said this before
Speaker 1: about Kyle Pitts. Even if you can guarantee that he's
Speaker 1: a Hall of famer, you have had a Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame tight end on your roster for the past what
Speaker 1: decade with Jason Witten, and it didn't get you no race.
Speaker 1: You don't have any rings exactly. So I love Kyle
Speaker 1: Pitts too. I think he could be a game changer,
Speaker 1: But in terms of need, you can get along with
Speaker 1: Blake Jarwin and Dalton Schultz just fine, We've already figured
Speaker 1: that out. So I'm not worried about tight end moving
Speaker 1: into the future as much as I am about tackle
Speaker 1: and protecting the investments. I would rather protect offensive tackle
Speaker 1: in the offensive line rather than that. Plus and Rob
Speaker 1: said this, I know we're going over time, Chris, I'm
Speaker 1: I feel you're you're angst in the other room. But
Speaker 1: whenever Rob said you just relying on Dan Quinn to
Speaker 1: fix this defense without an influx of talent, I don't
Speaker 1: necessarily think you're not having an influx of talent because
Speaker 1: there's those guys in the second, third, and fourth rounds
Speaker 1: that you could go in draft and that could be starters.
Speaker 1: You got Treyvon Diggs last year at fifty one, you're
Speaker 1: picking at forty four this year. You're gonna get another
Speaker 1: guy like that. And I know that's a lot to say,
Speaker 1: because forty four that a lot of things can go wrong.
Speaker 1: I fully believe you can find the right guy at
Speaker 1: forty four, whether it's Elijah mold and are Richie Grant,
Speaker 1: some of these different guys that are going to be
Speaker 1: in the secondary that'll compliment Treyvon Diggs extremely well, or
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson. I'm just saying I think there are guys
Speaker 1: you can go get and you can go draft offensive
Speaker 1: tackle in the first and it would be just fine.
Speaker 1: But that's gonna do it for us here on Talking Cowboys,
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