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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio Zart.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what's ridiculous, Yes, Sequille O'Neal.

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Speaker 2: Do you know how Taly is nine feet tall.

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Speaker 3: Seven to one, seven one. That's not ridiculous. It is,

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Speaker 3: well maybe it is to you. But here's the ridiculous part.

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Speaker 3: His father is like two inches taller than me. What yes,

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Speaker 3: now the ridiculous part. This is the actually ridiculous part.

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Speaker 3: His mom is taller than his dad. That's what I

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Speaker 3: find this ridiculous. His mom is six two, his dad

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Speaker 3: is six to one, and then they get put that

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Speaker 3: together and you get a seven foot one shack. Wow.

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Speaker 3: Turns out like on his mother's side, the men are

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Speaker 3: real tall. He's got like a grand great grandfather something.

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Speaker 3: He's like six eight, six nine. He comes from from

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Speaker 3: big people. And even though his dad tried to like

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Speaker 3: get rid of that, let me bring it down the

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Speaker 3: realistic sizes. His mom's jeans is like no sound brought

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Speaker 3: him stretched him out back to regal yes of seven

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Speaker 3: to one, this is right, yeah, but also his mom

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Speaker 3: could defeat his dad's like you know, no goodness, I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna bring my boy.

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Speaker 2: Down and I'm gonna give him a lot of milk.

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Speaker 3: I can say all this because I think that Shack

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Speaker 3: is like not like super cool with his father. So

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Speaker 3: that's why I can think continue to him a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, ridiculous, right on that train. That's ridiculous. Do you

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Speaker 2: want to know what else is ridiculous? For it pulling

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Speaker 2: the old I'm royalty give me money scam?

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Speaker 3: That old scam.

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Speaker 2: This is ridiculous crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers,

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Speaker 2: heists and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free

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Speaker 2: and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: I know you don't hear that.

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Speaker 2: So when you told the story of Abscam, one of

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Speaker 2: the things that struck me was how easy it was

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Speaker 2: to fool Americans about Middle East royalty.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and also because they believe that it's foolish royalty,

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Speaker 3: so they think that they were they're really rich and

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Speaker 3: they're just spending the money, so they we can totally

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Speaker 3: melk that up exactly.

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Speaker 2: We saw that with the story about Russell King, only

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Speaker 2: that time that was in the UK.

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Speaker 3: It's still same thing, same vibes.

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Speaker 2: So we have these notions, like you said about the

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Speaker 2: Middle East and Arab cultures, the wealth, the crazy spending.

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Speaker 2: This like imperious behavior totally, and it exists. I'm sure, sure.

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Speaker 3: There's outside spending, but the idea that it's foolish spending,

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Speaker 3: I think is is the error.

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Speaker 2: But it's it's not as common as popular culture with

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Speaker 2: harvest beliefs.

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Speaker 3: And also this really started in the seventies when the

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Speaker 3: wealth was pretty much new, so you had people spending

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Speaker 3: for the first time, so of course they're going to

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Speaker 3: be full, yes, but that's no longer.

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Speaker 2: And there's like a certain exoticism involved. It's like the

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Speaker 2: mysterious East and popular culture or you're either like a

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Speaker 2: chic or a terrorist, like off a pick. So now

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Speaker 2: con artists they love to work in stereotypes.

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Speaker 3: Naturally they move fast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, No one's ever in a hurry to have

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Speaker 2: their stereotypes challenged or those understandings challenged. So you throw

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Speaker 2: in good old fashioned greed, desire to keep up with

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Speaker 2: the joneses, consumerism, and a love for being power royalty

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Speaker 2: celebrity adjacent.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, oh yes, the old royal court idea.

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Speaker 2: You have the perfect garden for a crop of crime tomatoes.

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Speaker 3: Oh I'm telling you, big juicies, big big, big plumpers,

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Speaker 2: I always I grow tomatoes every summer, and my nephew

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Speaker 2: comes and helps me pick them. And he was like,

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Speaker 2: he'll go and dig around and go ooh, we got

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Speaker 2: us a big daddy pull a giants. Exactly, So have

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Speaker 2: I got a con artist for you? He took people's

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Speaker 2: notion of a rich Saudi and just ran with it.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, in an almost pathological way. Of course, he

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Speaker 2: is totally committed to the bit I'm talking about. Jose

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Speaker 2: Enrique Moreno.

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Speaker 3: Did he think he was other people blurry loud?

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Speaker 2: So he was born in Bogata, Columbia, nineteen seventy, and

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Speaker 2: he had this super tough childhood. He became an orphan

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Speaker 2: really really young, and he had a little brother, and

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Speaker 2: Daniel Wow. On the streets of Bogata. He was like, hustling,

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Speaker 2: you know, anything to live. That's a lot for a

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Speaker 2: five year old to shoulder. Five year old kid, they're

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Speaker 2: living rough, they're barely eating. And like he would see

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Speaker 2: obscenely wealthy, Like how wonderful would that be?

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Speaker 1: You?

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Speaker 2: Of course, he wanted to be the one who lived

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean he's like like, you know, like an

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Speaker 3: a Laddin style street urgent, looking at the king passing by.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so he's seven years old and this orphanage

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Speaker 2: takes him and his little brother in and in. This

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Speaker 2: is nineteen seventy seven, and this couple from Plymouth, Michigan,

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Speaker 2: Jim Giznak and Nancy Fitzgerald. Okay, they come to adopt

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Speaker 2: him out of the orphanage. And so before they knew it,

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Speaker 2: the boys they're living in Michigan.

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Speaker 3: So they come down to Colombia to pick up a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there are plenty in Michigan. Yeah, so I'm not sure,

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Speaker 2: and neighboring states and the neighboring states, but I would

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Speaker 2: guess that in Plymouth, Michigan, there are children who need homes.

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Speaker 2: But aside from that, sure they would.

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Speaker 3: They wanted one or two. They get the brother to

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Speaker 3: they didn't break up the brothers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the boys they go up to Michigan. They're well fed,

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Speaker 2: they're loved like they would. Yeah, they begin to acclimate

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Speaker 2: Jose was renamed Anthony, so he becomes Anthony Enrique Geniac

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Speaker 2: and he he learned English really really easy. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: after a year in the States, he's speaking just as

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Speaker 2: well as his American born classmates. Yeah. Smart guy. And

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Speaker 2: he used those language skills to tell tall tales why not. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So he told his classmates that his parents were filthy

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Speaker 3: Let them believe the dream.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in the real world they're solidly middle class, middle

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Speaker 2: class people who go pick up kids in Colombia. But whatever.

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Speaker 3: Oh he's saying his adopted parents are super wealthy. Now

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Speaker 3: he's like, oh yeah, family country.

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Speaker 2: He said his mom was so rich. She owned the

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Speaker 2: Grand Hotel on Mackinaw Island, which is like America's Grand Hotel. Yes,

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Speaker 2: this huge, posh thing. Like he's like, she's rich rich, she.

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Speaker 3: Just picked the biggest house he could point at.

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Speaker 2: And he's like, yeah, owns Yeah, like it's gorgeous place

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Speaker 3: What about his dad?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, my dad's pretty impressive. My dad is actor, comedian, director, chef,

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Speaker 2: and author Dom Delaies.

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Speaker 3: When you got to chef and author, and I was like,

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Speaker 2: My dad is Dom DeLuise, and when my mom owns

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Speaker 3: That refreshed my mind. What year is this?

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Speaker 2: This is seventy like seventy eight.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's the why the Dom Delawares.

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Speaker 2: Hotel Delise and I mean the stories, they're harmless, right.

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Speaker 2: And then he goes a little bit farther the lies.

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Speaker 2: So he's like eleven or twelve. He calls up the

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Speaker 2: him a Benzo. Okay, so the car salesman stoked.

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Speaker 3: Don't care a lot of ad here.

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Speaker 2: He's got like dollar signs in his eyes. So they

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Speaker 2: And there's Tony just waiting, eleven twelve.

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Speaker 3: Years old, all right, Anthony Toy.

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Speaker 2: And so he he must have looked older than his

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Speaker 2: Like he gets to the passenger seat, Tony.

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Speaker 3: Drives, Wow, first time, I'm guessing.

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Speaker 2: What supposed to say. I've got a friend whose kids

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Speaker 2: like her. Her two boys look far older than their age,

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Speaker 2: like you know, it's like an eleven year old with

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Speaker 2: a mustache. Oh yeah, So I'm thinking that maybe Tony

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Speaker 2: I'll take it. This is fantastic. Uh, there are little

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Speaker 2: like no haggling for the price, nothing, and so he's like,

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Speaker 2: of course we'll go. We'll take care that will call

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Speaker 3: This is huge, this huge, saying no deposit required, We're

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm in suburban Michigan and a Saudi prince

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Speaker 2: wants to whatever. So the car's ready. The salesman is

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Speaker 2: so he rings the house number that Tony gave him. Nancy,

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Speaker 2: the guy's like, oh, your Mercedes Ben's is ready. She's like,

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Speaker 2: then the cops get called by the dealership. It gets messy,

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Speaker 2: but everyone's you know, cutting Tony slack because he's been

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Speaker 2: Tony had a mental breakdown. He fell apart. He actually

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Speaker 3: Yea. And so when he was on the streets taking

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Speaker 3: care of you think their bond would be breakable.

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Speaker 2: Right, And so he runs away. He gets put into

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Speaker 2: the streets, back alone, until he met a family in Ipsilante. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: these good folks took him in, but they had to

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Speaker 3: So at this point, I'm assuming people up in that

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Speaker 2: This was an Arab family. That's what's crazy, an Arab family.

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Speaker 2: He's like, my dad, he's going to send all of

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Speaker 2: his like big tough boys to come and beat you

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Speaker 2: up if you don't let me stay with you.

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Speaker 3: Are you kidding?

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Speaker 2: The family is terrified that, like some sheikh is going

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Speaker 2: to send the police after him. They don't never stop

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Speaker 2: and wonder like why this makes no sense, But they

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Speaker 2: take him in and then he's like he realizes, I

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Speaker 2: struck gold with this whole Arab thing, so he goes

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Speaker 2: big with it. He starts telling people that he's Prince

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Speaker 2: Adnan Kushogi and that's a real person.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, I know, that's the family.

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Speaker 2: A notorious Saudi arms dealer. Yeah yeah, he's also the

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Speaker 2: world's richest man at the time.

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Speaker 3: And he takes him to get lunch. He's like to

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh so the cops they came to the hotel

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Speaker 2: quote the prince of fraud. So he's twenty one years

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Speaker 2: So he gets one and like one after another, seventeen

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Speaker 2: He turned after the seventeenth witness, He's like, I want

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Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, you did it.

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Speaker 2: So the judge they get he gave him two years

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Speaker 3: He got out.

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Speaker 2: He's ready to turn over a new leaf in terms

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Speaker 2: al Saud Okay, and he checked in for an extended stay.

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Speaker 2: He's like, put it on the platinum baby, just locks in.

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Speaker 2: So it caught up with him, you know, as it

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Speaker 2: always will. He did fifty three days in County. He

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Speaker 2: leaves instead. He goes to Waikiki. Wait what Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: he got a suite at the Holly Kulani Hotel in

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Speaker 2: lunch at the restaurant orchids at the Holly Kulani. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then I've also had dinner at House without a Key,

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Speaker 2: which is another restaurant there where they have like music

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Speaker 2: It's like something out of a forties film, super elegant,

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Speaker 3: Yes, I do love for that. There's a lot of.

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Speaker 2: That left, yeah, exactly. So he's living it up, soaking

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Speaker 2: up the sun and He's like, he convinces this couple

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Speaker 2: I don't know, you're just laying in the you know,

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Speaker 2: why not? And they're like yeah, totally. He gets an

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Speaker 3: Were they Texans? What the hell?

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Speaker 2: But now he's walking around money.

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Speaker 3: You got more than that? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: So that, I mean, the thing is like at the

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Speaker 3: If you're around them, they assume you're around them for reasons,

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Speaker 2: Totally. So, then he convinces this other couple that he

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Speaker 2: quote had reason to fear for his life. Oh that's

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Speaker 2: always I give him the intrigue and then you could

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Speaker 3: I'm a man who knows too much.

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Speaker 2: I'm on the run for some reason that I don't know. Whatever.

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Speaker 2: This meant that he needed someone to pay his hotel bill.

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Speaker 2: This is very mysterious, very much something that could happen.

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Speaker 3: There if I pay this they'll know why I'm here,

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Speaker 3: and they're.

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Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, we totally want to help you out.

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Speaker 2: You're amazing, you're a prince.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we like to too safe.

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Speaker 2: I'm full of my ties and blue Hawaiians.

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Speaker 3: Let's do this, let's make this happen.

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Speaker 2: They paid the hotel tab, which was at this point

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Speaker 2: more than twenty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: And you kept going with his You could rack them up,

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Speaker 2: rack them places like that. You know he's getting his

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Speaker 2: toes rube.

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Speaker 2: I don't cabanas and I don't know. So perhaps suffering

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Speaker 3: He's just too relaxed at this point from all the massages.

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Speaker 3: Yeah he dolemos.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure he is. Yeah, so he's got island fever

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Speaker 2: is my thing. He comes Hawaii, I can't do it.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety three, ninety three. It goes to similar climbs

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Speaker 2: in Florida, Pablo Honey, Florida. Of course, he checked it

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Speaker 2: at the Walt Disney World Grand Floridian Beach Resort in Orlando.

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Speaker 3: Wait, Orlando. I didn't think he'd go there. Yeah, Orlando.

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Speaker 2: It's a nice place to be sure to rip off

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Speaker 2: some more people from Michigan. I guess he put the

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Speaker 3: I had to get that at the Grand I know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So once again he gets busted. Once again, he

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Speaker 2: pleads guilty. Once again, he's given probation, and once again

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Speaker 2: he skips town. Whoa, yeah, he's out of there. So

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Speaker 2: Bay Hotel in Coconut Grove. That hotel doesn't exist anymore,

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Speaker 2: which put a stop to my room browsing that I've

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Speaker 2: two thousand and nine, tore down in twenty twelve. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: so he stays there, does his usual mega purchases on

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Speaker 2: he'd done that before, but it goes south. They beat

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Speaker 2: him up. Yeah, they beat him up. They take all

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Speaker 2: and so he didn't like Yeah, so he didn't stick around.

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Speaker 3: This is for the first time I've heard he's tried

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not doing that.

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Speaker 2: He splits. He goes to Chicago, pulls the same stuff there,

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Speaker 2: gets arrested. Then he gets extradited to Florida because Disney

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Speaker 3: He's like, we'll take that. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And so he had charges for taking the Grand Bay

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Speaker 2: Hotel for twenty seven thousand dollars and then a local

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Speaker 2: Sacks Fifth Avenue for more than fifty one thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: He must have signed up when they're like, do you

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Speaker 2: want to open a credit card?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Hell yeah exactly.

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Speaker 2: So his fraud and grand theft charges wound up getting

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Speaker 2: him six hundred and sixteen days in the clink.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: So in jail, he reaches out to this lawyer named

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Speaker 2: Oscar Rodriguez. He's in Miami. Oscar totally believes the story

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Speaker 2: about Tony being a prince. He was yeah, and so

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Speaker 2: So he's like, I'm this prince Oscar's like, of course.

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Speaker 2: Tony gets him to contact these bail bondsmen, Tom O'Connell

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Speaker 2: six thousand dollars bond for him. Wow, and you got

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Speaker 2: to bond out the prince. And they're like, well, you're

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Speaker 2: So they pick them up, they take them back to

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Speaker 2: their office and they're waiting for the Saudi Royal family

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Speaker 2: to send them the bond money.

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Speaker 3: But they're smart. They take them to their office.

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Speaker 2: And they wait and they wait. Obviously the money doesn't count.

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Speaker 2: They load Tony in the car to take him back

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Speaker 2: to jail.

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Speaker 3: Good on them, but hold up.

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Speaker 2: He tells them, look, there's an American Express office and

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Speaker 2: he's like, can you stop there? So Tony walks into

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Speaker 2: the AMEX office sobbing, and he tells the staff, I'm

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Speaker 2: Prince Khalid bin al Saud. I've been mugged and the

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Speaker 2: purp took all my credit cards in cash, and my father,

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Speaker 2: the King, is most upset about this. You must help me.

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Speaker 2: So the staff at AMEX are like, of course, lovely.

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Speaker 3: The people, yes, very nice. Always there to help you

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Speaker 2: Right, He's like, you just have to answer a security question,

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Speaker 2: Prince Khalid, what were your last two purchases? And it

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Speaker 2: should be noted here that Prince Khalid was a real person.

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Speaker 2: Huh who actually goes by Sultan bin Khalid Alsaud. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and he did have an amex. I bet so Tony

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Speaker 2: like clears his throat, tells them one was in California,

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Speaker 2: one was in France. They're like, boom.

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Speaker 3: Correct, Wait, he gets it right, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: American Express issued him a platinum card because I don't

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Speaker 2: think there's a black card at that time. Sure, with

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Speaker 2: a two hundred million dollar line of credit the next day.

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Speaker 3: For dude's card. Essentially, just give what a dude's card?

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00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, gave one a dude's cards. He's like, here's an

438
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 2: ext gen and.

439
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 3: That may not go in a place where that bill

440
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,920
Speaker 3: is noticed by anybody for some time exactly.

441
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 2: Oh wow, so break time.

442
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,159
Speaker 3: We'll be back in a second.

443
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 2: Is Zarin, Yes, Tony.

444
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 3: A two million dollar card? Yes them.

445
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Tonyjak also known as Prince Khalid bin al Saude.

446
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 3: Oh my god, this is amazing.

447
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 2: Gets pinched in Florida, can't pay the bond They stop

448
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 2: at the AMEX office. So now he's got that hot.

449
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 3: New amate One security question later.

450
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, he and the bondsman they go on a shopping spree,

451
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 2: the like, let's do that.

452
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 3: They book limos naturally.

453
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 2: Well, let's not drive in your piece of junk.

454
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 3: Give them like their own, like multiple They got on

455
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 3: the phone and call each other and then their friend.

456
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 2: They stand up in the center. They hit up the

457
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 2: Miracle Mile in Coral Gables. He buys some rolexes and

458
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,119
Speaker 2: a bracelet twenty two thousand dollars.

459
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,679
Speaker 3: He leveled with the bail bondsman like, man, here's a

460
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 3: real score.

461
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 2: Well he's he goes my favorite detail. He went and

462
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 2: spent a couple thousand dollars on a suede shirt.

463
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 3: Amazing for his friend. You need this.

464
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 2: It turns out he had to take the watches back

465
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 2: over to the Amex office and hand them over to

466
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 2: the folks inside, who gave him the answers to the

467
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 2: security questions.

468
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:29,640
Speaker 3: Yeah face, Why how did he even pull them off

469
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 3: to the side the conversation, Hey hook me up and

470
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 3: I'll hook you. I feel like.

471
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 2: He'd worked with them before many times, So that chore

472
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:45,120
Speaker 2: completed he's got that Tony the light I can see.

473
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 2: Tony's like, I'm out of here. I'm going to New York.

474
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,239
Speaker 2: And he calls the lawyer and he's like, you, does

475
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 2: your wife and kid want to come with me to

476
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 2: New York. The lawyer still thinks that he's a prince

477
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 2: Oscar Yeah, and so he's like, yeah, sure, why not.

478
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 2: Who's going to turn down an offer from a.

479
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 3: Saudi trip for your whole family to New York and

480
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 3: the Saudi prison princes.

481
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 2: He booked the entire first class cabin, the whole thing.

482
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 2: Why you know, you don't want to nose Delta Airlines

483
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 2: apparently didn't mind bumping people out, and so you know

484
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 2: that he can't sit with the roof raff.

485
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 3: You don't want reason to get really rich, Elizabeth. That's

486
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 3: that you can make people do anything that is true.

487
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 3: I want the whole front of the plane. I want

488
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 3: people to wear only orange shirts.

489
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 2: Like okay, say yes, sir, so AMEX. They're now wise

490
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 2: to Tony. So they called his lawyer and they're pissed off.

491
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 3: So Tony he's a lawyer in New York.

492
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 2: When he gets in Miami, but like somebody calls his

493
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 2: wife and he was like, you're with Tony. She's like, yeah,

494
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 2: he rented a whole floor at the four Season.

495
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 3: Wait made it, Elizabeth. You're telling me he took the

496
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 3: lawyer's wife and kid without the lawyer. Yes, what I know.

497
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 2: I know. He's like yours, I know you're busy family

498
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 2: to New York. I want to treat them as a

499
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 2: gift to you for your kindness to me. I'm going

500
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 2: to rent out an entire floor at the Four Seasons

501
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 2: and then like you're.

502
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 3: A Saudi France, please take my wife and take my family.

503
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 2: So the lawyer's like wait, stay there, Like, don't let

504
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 2: him leave. The lawyer and the bondsman they run to

505
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 2: the airport, grab the first flight to the New York

506
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 2: and they get to the hotel. Tony's still there and

507
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 2: they have like a tussle with him.

508
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 3: They fight, Yeah, they fight, and.

509
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 2: Then they took him into custody to bring him back

510
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 2: to Miami.

511
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 3: Oh bail, bonds man, you know he's getting bruised.

512
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 2: They drag him off to Laguardian Zaren close your eye,

513
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 2: I want you to picture it. You are an airport

514
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 2: police officer at LaGuardia Airport in New York. It's nineteen

515
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 2: ninety three. There's no TSA yet, and security is rather

516
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 2: like compared to what it will be some thirty years

517
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 2: in the future. You could bring a giant battle of

518
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 2: shampoo or olive oil or sprite on the plane and

519
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 2: nobody cared. So you're not the militarized homeland security agent

520
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: we see today. Nope, you're just a cop. Zeron, You're

521
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 2: a damn good cop. You're strolling around keeping your eyes

522
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 2: open for any funny business. Right now, things are relatively calm.

523
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 2: Names are read into an announcement system, calling people the

524
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: white courtesy phones. People chat as they head toward their flights.

525
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 2: Couples reunite and hug. You watch as four men approach

526
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 2: the American Airlines ticket counter down on the other end

527
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 2: of the concourse. Something looks weird, but you can't quite

528
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 2: put your finger on it. Two of the men seem

529
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 2: to be bookending the one pudgy guy with the weird

530
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 2: Prince Valiant haircut. They reached the counter and the fellow

531
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: with the haircut starts yelling, I'm Prince Khalid, been outside.

532
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 2: I've been kidnapped. People scream and scramble. U spring into action.

533
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 2: Yelling into your radio for backup as you race towards

534
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: the men. Just then, the Prince points at the man

535
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,239
Speaker 2: to his left. He has a gun. He squeals. You

536
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 2: immediately stop and draw your weapon. You and your coworkers

537
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 2: surround the men, holding them all at gunpoint. Nobody move,

538
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 2: you yell. The Prince continues, yelling, if there are any

539
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 2: of my loyal subjects here, please call the embassy and CNN.

540
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 2: The men all raise their arms and get padded down.

541
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 2: The Prince has taken off to the side, while the

542
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 2: man in the group in the expensive suit pulls papers

543
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 2: out of his inside jacket pocket. You take them and

544
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 2: read them. It's an arrest warrant for Anthony Jeniak. There's

545
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 2: a booking photo. It's the Prince. The man in the

546
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 2: suit explains that he's Geniac's lawyer and the other two

547
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 2: are bondsmen, and the three of them are trying to

548
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: get dude back to Miami to stand trial for fraud.

549
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 2: You look back at the Prince. He seems somewhat both

550
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: embarrassed and oblivious at the same time. Well, you tell

551
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: the lawyer, maybe a flight isn't for you. You boys

552
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 2: would be better off renting a car and driving to Miami.

553
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 2: If this is how he's going to act in public,

554
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 2: but it's a twenty four hour drive. They tell you

555
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 2: too bad, You boys aren't getting on a plane today.

556
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 2: But you'll he'll just try this at a gas station

557
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 2: or something. Too bad, Like you said, they are not

558
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: getting on a plane. So you watches the four men

559
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 2: shuffle out the doors to the terminal headed who knows where?

560
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 2: Hopefully you think, my zaren they did, in fact, head

561
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 2: to Miami.

562
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 3: It's a simple midnight run, Elizabeth, Where could go wrong?

563
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 3: Please call CNN? Do you know the story midnight run?

564
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 2: Yes?

565
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 3: Okay, this is amazing.

566
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,479
Speaker 2: So they did run a car, and to avoid Tony

567
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 2: pulling stunts like he did at the airport, they had

568
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 2: a solution. They made him ride in the trunk.

569
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 3: Oh my god, so prince, what be quiet?

570
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 2: O'connall said, quote, We rested along the way and took

571
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: him out of the trunk. That's when he told us

572
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 2: he wasn't a prince. He gave us his real name,

573
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: where he was born, everything.

574
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, just a couple of hours in a trunk.

575
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: I'll do it.

576
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 3: It's real, real, quick account, it does get real.

577
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: That's what command would do. So they get him to jail,

578
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: But jail's not going to stop old Tony.

579
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 3: No, I can't imagine.

580
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: It's the summer. In nineteen ninety four, Tony called Syracuse

581
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: University as Prince Khalid beIN Alsaud of Saudi Arabia. Sure,

582
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: he told them, you know what, I really want to

583
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: donate forty five million dollars to you guys, just.

584
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 3: Randomly burning a hole in my pocket.

585
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: Yeah it it's the old donation reverse cold call.

586
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, keep your fingers crossed.

587
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: He did have a condition. He wanted the university to

588
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 2: send some of the taxes for the donations sixteen thousand

589
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 2: dollars to an account he had in East Lansing, Michigan.

590
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 3: Wait, wait, wait, I'm confused. The taxes on a donation

591
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 3: of this size forty five million dollars is sixteen thousand dollars.

592
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 2: Some of it some of it not. Just a little

593
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 2: break me off.

594
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 3: I've never given anyone forty five million dollars, Elizabeth, so

595
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 3: I don't know what the tax structures are away forty Yeah,

596
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 3: I would, I just don't have it right now. I'm

597
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 3: just temporarily embarrassingly poor.

598
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 2: He was like, please break me off some and they're

599
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 2: like most certainly so they did. They wired sixteen grand

600
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: to an account in East Lansing, Michigan. What there's book

601
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: smart and there's street smart, and sometimes the twain do

602
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 2: not meet most. So did Tony have a bank account

603
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 2: in East Lancing?

604
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 3: I'm being from a kid?

605
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 2: How would he access it? Well? Remember his brother? They

606
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: go back in touch, and Tony brought him into this

607
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 2: new family business. He's the one who opened the bank account.

608
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 2: So like, did they get away with this? Not on

609
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 2: your life, Tony. He didn't go down alone for this.

610
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 2: Both of them get convicted.

611
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 3: Of course they're both doing crimes.

612
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tony got forty six months for wire fraud. I

613
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: don't know about his brother. It must have been much

614
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: at no time or something. So Tony he got some

615
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: months thirty seven to be exact, added to his sentence.

616
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 2: I see when he was a waiting trial, he pulled

617
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: an escape attempt. Good for him, Well not when you

618
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: hear what it was. First he covered the floor of

619
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,719
Speaker 2: his cell in shampoo.

620
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 3: Where are you kidding? It's slippery, just like a seven

621
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 3: year old.

622
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: Plan completely and then he sets a place to the

623
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 2: floor and set the place on fire. And his intention

624
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: was when the CEOs came to put out the fire,

625
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 2: they'd slip on the shampoo and he'd make escape open door. Yeah,

626
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: because he wouldn't slip casually.

627
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 3: He knows that the floor has got.

628
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: Obviously it didn't work, no, and it was an idiotic plan.

629
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 2: But when you look at all of the idiotic and

630
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: unrealistic stuff he's gotten away with, it kind of fits,

631
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: like totally fits.

632
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 3: But hot glissering on your skin is not something you want.

633
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 3: But whatever, so he did.

634
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: The time he got out in two thousand, he went

635
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 2: back up to Michigan, but he didn't live like a

636
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 2: good Michigan. January two thousand and three he gets busted again.

637
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: He was riding low in a white Cadillac with diplomatic

638
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: plates wide outside of a shopping center in Michigan, So

639
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: it seems like he'd been doing the whole Saudi prince thing.

640
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: At a Saxmith Avenue. He charged more than eleven thousand

641
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 2: to the family account of actual Saudi Princess.

642
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 3: Fadua al Saud Wow for him.

643
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: Then he went over to the Niemen, to the Nemen Marcus,

644
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 2: and he ran up more than seventeen thousand in purchases

645
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 2: and those were put on the actual account of the

646
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: real Prince Khalid. So I mean, if you roll the

647
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: dice and you're like, yeah, put it on my family's

648
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 2: account and you give a name and he.

649
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 3: Has the ID, Yeah, he's got the card. I mean,

650
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 3: come on.

651
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. So when the sales associates at Nieman they questioned

652
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 2: him about his account, he just lost it.

653
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 3: I'm sure threatened them.

654
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 2: He complained that they weren't showing him proper respect. He's

655
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: Prince Khalid, how dare they? And you do this to

656
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: the Prince of Angling exactly. That landed him in jail

657
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: yet again. And so he was a waiting trial, and

658
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: you know, you got to do something. You have to

659
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 2: like take your mind off things. You got a you know,

660
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: I do like cryptograms when I'm a waiting trial.

661
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 3: Oh that's good will, that's sort of whirdle.

662
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: Exactly. He wrote a letter to City Bank and the

663
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: letter requested, actually no, it demanded that the bank transferred

664
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 2: three point nine million dollars from a real Saudi prince's

665
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 2: trust fund to his account.

666
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 3: And he's just demanding I need this bank, that.

667
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: Dear City Bank. Yeah, I demand and then just whatever

668
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: pick a person. So that didn't work, Saren, but it

669
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: did get him charges of attempted bank fraud. This is

670
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: while he's a waiting trial and impersonating a foreign diplomat.

671
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 2: So he gets seventy seven months in federal prison for

672
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: that one. He gets out in twenty eleven, goes to Florida,

673
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: back to for Yeah, you can't expect him to fly,

674
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 2: right at this point. He's a forty one year old

675
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: man with no employment history, a pocket full of felony convictions,

676
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 2: no legal skills, like nothing that's legal.

677
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 3: Only one job he's ever done, which is playing a

678
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 3: Saudi print.

679
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 2: Right, So of course he tried to scam his way

680
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 2: into buying a hotel. I mean, he didn't even get

681
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 2: off the ground. He gets busted again, and so this

682
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: time the Feds they find this gold mine because it

683
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: seems that Tony was really organized. He created this huge

684
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: black binder full of tons and tons of phony documents.

685
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 2: Really yeah, there were like hundreds of papers, legal documents, notarization.

686
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 3: Templates for him to like copy. He come across, he

687
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 3: keeps it.

688
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: Yeah no, yeah, and then he summer templates, but most

689
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 2: of them are like filled out, so it's like they've

690
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: got seals and stamps. They're all like official or like

691
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 2: official looking paperwork. So when he needed to back something

692
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 2: up he needed to support one of his boxer's claims,

693
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 2: he pulls paper from the binder, like here's my bank

694
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: statement or here's something where my dad says, I get

695
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 2: to own your house now. And so he does this,

696
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: like you know, he does his time. He gets out

697
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 2: a year later, then he goes to the FBI and

698
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 2: asks for his binder back. He's like, my black binder,

699
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 2: my red you.

700
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 3: Want your what you want?

701
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 2: What now? And who's it? Yeah? So now, up until now,

702
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 2: Tony had been pretending to be mega wealthy while builking

703
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 2: the pretty rich or company's care. But he wasn't traveling

704
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 2: in the circles of incredible wealth.

705
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 3: A little time in l A.

706
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like really like but he was taking advantage

707
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 2: of businesses.

708
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 3: Also think when he's in the hotel and like when

709
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 3: he was like actually circling, they would have been wealthy

710
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 3: people also Hawaii.

711
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 2: Right, this was a few moments he wanted to con

712
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: the other wealthy fists.

713
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's get in there. They're dumb.

714
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: As he knew he needed a change, right, So we

715
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 2: Now we meet Carl Martin Williamson.

716
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 3: Carl Malden Williamson, Marden, oh, Marden.

717
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a brit He's living in this little town

718
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 2: in North Carolina running his home business. And his home

719
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 2: business happened to be asset management for the violently rich

720
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: or blindingly wealthy. Oh so, whereas Tony's a con artist,

721
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 2: Carl was a boll artist. I mean he knew some

722
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 2: impressive folks and most of the time though it was

723
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 2: smoking mirrors.

724
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 3: Did he start in finance like legit and fall out

725
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 3: or is he all smoking mirrors?

726
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: Also? So, one of his former colleagues told Vanity Fair

727
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 2: writer Mark Seale quote, he was a master global networker.

728
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 2: His line of would change depending on the person he

729
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 2: was talking to. If you didn't have a connection, he'd

730
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 2: be like, yeah, I know the guy, let me go

731
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: ahead and call them. It was freaking amazing, freaking amazing.

732
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,479
Speaker 2: So Tony ran the Prince Khaleid scam on. Carl showed

733
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 2: him a bank statement that said he had six hundred

734
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 2: million dollars in his account. Hello, I love you.

735
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 3: Oh that's a lot of zeros I love Zero's.

736
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 2: Carl was like, how about this I'm going to make

737
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 2: an investment company for you and all your millions. We're

738
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: gonna make it. It's called Martin Williamson International LLC. So

739
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 2: it's basically Carl's name. Hold the Carl, Tony's the international part.

740
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 2: So they tell the people that they're headquartered in New

741
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: York on Park Avenue, and when they have an office

742
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 2: in Dubai. Well, so Carl knew he needed to put

743
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: some credibility on Tony because Carl knows this isn't a fern. Yeah, yeah,

744
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: it takes one to no one here. So he goes

745
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 2: on eBay and he buys diplomatic license plates for Tony's

746
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: You do that least, Yeah, Tony's least. Ferrari and Rolls

747
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 2: Royce and then he got connected. He got to work

748
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 2: connecting Tony with the filthy rich. So he introduced him

749
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: to a London investment banker. Tony told Carl that she

750
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: has to demonstrate her devotion to him, and so she

751
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 2: lends Tony this investment banker lends him one hundred and

752
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars as a sign of good face. So

753
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: she was the foot in the door that they the

754
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 2: two of these guys needed So before long Tony and Carl,

755
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 2: they had more than a dozen investors wiring almost eight

756
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 2: million dollars, all told to a bunch of different shell companies.

757
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: While this cash, what's it for?

758
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 3: What's the thing that they're promising returns?

759
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: They were told that they were going to get in

760
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 2: on the i p O for a Ramco as in

761
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 2: the Saudi State Royal Company.

762
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 3: Yes. Yes, when it went public, they're like, you'll be

763
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 3: your ground floor.

764
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 2: Yes, let's take a break, we come back. I'm going

765
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 2: to tell you about black Gold Riad t Okay saren

766
00:38:58,560 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: So we were talking about a.

767
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 3: Ram totally black Tea Texas goal.

768
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 2: Yeah. So they were actually talking about an IPO at

769
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: this time. This is twenty eleven or so, so it's

770
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 2: early early days. No, yes, yeah, and a Ramco oil giant.

771
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: It's more profitable than Apple.

772
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 3: I think it's the most valuable. It was the most

773
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 3: valuable company in the world.

774
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it still is. And they only for

775
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: the IPO, They only intended to offer five percent. Yes,

776
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 2: so like ninety five percent is still going to be

777
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:24,959
Speaker 2: owned by.

778
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 3: The found in the state. Yeah, the Kingdom.

779
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 2: So the value of the company is in the trillions

780
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 2: and a lot of people wanted in on this, So

781
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 2: Carl and Tony they're offering people a quote, friends and

782
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: family early access to the IPO. You know, it's like

783
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 2: the friends and family sales.

784
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 3: No one knows about.

785
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: I think I've entitled IKEA friends and family anyway, So

786
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 2: someone who wanted to be a friend was I got

787
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 2: to try and figure out how to say this name

788
00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: is this name? Go to Fridas, Fritz, thank him, jud

789
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 2: but he goes by, He goes by, Fritz, Fristmas, little Fritzi, Fritz.

790
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 2: So Fritz. He's a well regarded Dutch tax lawyer, Godefridas

791
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 2: who was known as a master of mergers and acquisitions.

792
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 2: M and A, yeah, so had Elizabeth. Yeah this big

793
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 2: stuff Carl. Carl tells Fritz, yes that you know, we've

794
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 2: got this i p O. And he sells Fritz on

795
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: this whole notion by showing him Prince Khalid's bank statement,

796
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 2: which says he has two billion in the bank this time,

797
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: and there's other paperwork that proves that the prince owns

798
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 2: six hundred million dollars in property. One is the brand

799
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: new four seasons hotel at the Surf Club in Miami.

800
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 2: He owns it. Uh So Fritz he's like all in.

801
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 2: He's like, that looks great. I want that money. Yeah.

802
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: So they they merged their documents into his awareness and

803
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: acquired his money, you see, and I did their mergers acquisitions, so.

804
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 3: That work go on.

805
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, Fritz, he put in four point nine million dollars.

806
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 3: Whoa. Yeah, he's a lawyer, does this all the time.

807
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:11,720
Speaker 4: Yep.

808
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 2: But you know he saw the bank statement.

809
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 3: Oh people get greety.

810
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: I know. So petulant Prince Khalid, right, he demands a

811
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 2: show of loyalty and respect from Fritz. On top of

812
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 2: all this the five million, almost five millions, that's not enough,

813
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 2: so Fritz gives him a Rolex and some other jewelry.

814
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 2: Carl and Tony they pulled this off for years because

815
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: the IPO was announced and then it took forever to

816
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 2: see the light a day.

817
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 3: It was stalled a bunch of times, and then they

818
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 3: started buying London like soccer football clubs and stuff, and it.

819
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 2: Finally did go public like twenty eighteen, I think, so

820
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, Carl and Tony they start telling real estate

821
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 2: agents that Prince Khalid wants to buy a place on

822
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 2: Fisher Island south of Miami Beach. So it's like Oprah

823
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 2: owns a place there, Julia Roberts has a house there.

824
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 3: Like it's just you know those Jamie Diamond that type. Yeah.

825
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 2: So at this point he's traveling everywhere with an entourage,

826
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 2: Prince khaleid Ak. Yeah, so he hired these like hot

827
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 2: boy security guards, like really good looking security guards from malls.

828
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 2: Like he'd be at a mall and see like, a,

829
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 2: you know, a nice.

830
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 3: Looking would you like to work for the family?

831
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And so he would dress them up in

832
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: suits and he gave them fake diplomatic badges and real guns.

833
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 3: Why not?

834
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so like he's like seriously in characters, he's

835
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 2: deep into it. So he'd have the agents drive him around,

836
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 2: the real estate agents while he's got like his security

837
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 2: detail with you know, they're like, don't talk. Just so

838
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,959
Speaker 2: the real estate agents are driving around, he'd like point

839
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 2: at buildings and say, oh, my dad owns that one.

840
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 3: So he's playing rich.

841
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 2: He's completely and he's spending money like crazy. He had

842
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: this Louis Vuitton Duffel that he carried with him everywhere.

843
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 2: It's full of one hundred dollars bills. And he would

844
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: just like tip every He's spread it out like ripped

845
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: Taylor toss and confetti. Everyone's treated you know. So but

846
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 2: you can picture it.

847
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 3: Even the hands by the face.

848
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 2: So he'd have these like loud conversations on the phone

849
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 2: with Bill Gates or Bill Clinton Obama. He's like, uh, yeah,

850
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 2: who's this Barry Barry OBEs, what's up? So, and he

851
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 2: would complain all the time, like Trump keeps calling me

852
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 2: and begging him to visit him at the White House,

853
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 2: Like God, like, get over it. And you better believe.

854
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 2: He had an Instagram account. Oh yes, Prince Dubai underscore

855
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 2: seven zero seven, Prince Dubai underscores zero seven and babies.

856
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: When I tell you that account is still live, what

857
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: I tell you with all the love in the world.

858
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh, you're giving the gift to keeps giving out there.

859
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 2: It cuts off in twenty seventeen, but it's still there.

860
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 2: Oh wow, you can see the whole thing.

861
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 3: Thanks. Yeah, he's been abandoned but kept alive by the Instagram.

862
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. Meta. It's the only time I'll ever

863
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: say that. So Carl told the real estate agents that

864
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 2: quote the Prince, the son of the King of Saudi

865
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: Arabia has just undergone gastric bypass surgery and wants to

866
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 2: be on Fisher Island for some privacy. So this is

867
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 2: from Mark Seal's Vanity Fair piece quote. The slimmed down

868
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: Prince arrived for a tour of the island cradling his

869
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 2: beloved Foxy and looked at high rise condos going for

870
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 2: twenty million dollars in up. I've been in the biz

871
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,919
Speaker 2: twenty five years, but he was top ten, over the top, flamboyant,

872
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 2: all the bells and whistles, says Don Pingaro, a local

873
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 2: real estate agent. He had the royal name, the Seal,

874
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 2: the bodyguards, the jewelry, the entourage, the business manager. He

875
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 2: was looking for the best of the best. Wow, who's Foxy?

876
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 3: I was just about ask Elizabeth more so than the Seal.

877
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 3: Who's Foxy?

878
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 2: That was Tony's Chihuahua. Of course, Foxy went everywhere with him,

879
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 2: wore tons of diamonds and like little designer out.

880
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 3: This like a purse dog, yeah, little ua. Yeah. But

881
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 3: some are like you know, on the ground, yeapping, and

882
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 3: some are like in my person.

883
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,959
Speaker 2: He traveled in a like a twenty seven hundred dollars

884
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 2: Louis why ask, And so the agents they took him around,

885
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 2: they checked out properties. He saw a condo that he loved.

886
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: I'll take it, he said. He's like, I'll wire the

887
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 2: twenty one million dollar asking price over first thing in

888
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 2: the morning, because it was like the building.

889
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that.

890
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 2: Of course never happened. So instead he just quietly rented

891
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 2: the penthouse and told everyone that he bought it. He

892
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 2: hired this woman, per La Lechi, who's like a super

893
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: pash interior designer who had in fact worked on like

894
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 2: designing Middle Eastern palaces, like decorating. He hires her to

895
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 2: decorate the place, and but he kind of expressed to

896
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 2: her how lonely he was. So there you could see

897
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 2: like where he's a little acts in.

898
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 3: The act intentionally. Oh so it is correct, not just

899
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 3: she noticed it, but.

900
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, he would like send her these texts, so she

901
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 2: kind of felt for him.

902
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 3: Think it was emotional bonding where he's like manipulative emotional bonding,

903
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 3: so lonely in my big, wealthy home.

904
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. Meanwhile, though he's tootling around in a twenty

905
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 2: sixteen Ferrari California, no poor thing, diplomatic plates. Yeah.

906
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 3: So never imagine how crazy I could drive if I

907
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 3: had diplomatic plates.

908
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 2: It doesn't want to stop hustling this tony, so he

909
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 2: finds a new target. Guy by the name of Jeffrey Soffer.

910
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: He's the heir to a four billion dollar real estate dynasty.

911
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: He himself is worth more than a billion dollars. Has

912
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: this like super luxurious life. He's mega yachts and private

913
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 2: jets and like multiple mansion homes, married to el McPherson, supermodel.

914
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the Sports Illustrated and.

915
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the dude had it all right, so foot

916
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,720
Speaker 2: and rubs, oh, rubbing his toes on a meat rug

917
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 2: at the Players Club. The part of all that that

918
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 2: he had was ownership of the Fountain Blue Hotel in

919
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 2: Miami Beach.

920
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 3: Oh, I've heard of it.

921
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like apparently like the spot to see

922
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 2: and CNBC and Stay. Yes, it was though in a

923
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 2: bit of a financial spot, like it hadn't turned to profit. Yeah,

924
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 2: it was a drag on this portfolio. So when someone

925
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 2: reached out and was like, Prince Khalid bin al Saud

926
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 2: loves your hotel, is obsessed, wants to buy it, and

927
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: he's ready to talk baby. So the Prince is like,

928
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 2: I want to buy a huge percentage of it for

929
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 2: more than it's worth, and.

930
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 3: Soft per percentage, not even the whole thing.

931
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 2: Right, And he's like, I'll pay you one hundred and

932
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 2: forty million dollars what And Softwer is like this sucker,

933
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 2: He's just throwing money around like you were saying that.

934
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 2: We have this notion of like they spend money, you know,

935
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 2: like water for no reasoning foolish it.

936
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 3: And then so the people don't question it because it's

937
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 3: so outsize. They're like, well, I'm just getting stoked on this.

938
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 2: So Softwer is like this is a sucker, and I'm

939
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 2: gonna soak them.

940
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

941
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, So May twenty seventeen, Carl and Tony show up

942
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 2: at the hotel and they like show up full flash.

943
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 2: Tony put his entourages room on his credit card. He's

944
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 2: tipping like crazy, throwing the money around like he usually did. Yeah,

945
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 2: he went around talking about his good friend Jeff's software

946
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 2: the owner. A couple months later, Tony invited Soffer to

947
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 2: his place on Fisher Island. This is from Vanity Fair quote.

948
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 2: They were given a tour of his garage filled with rolls,

949
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: royces and ferraris in his penthouse with the name Sultan

950
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 2: on the doorbell. They were shown a quote ornate box,

951
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 2: according to court documents, which contained a letter quote purportedly

952
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 2: from the Bank of Dubai, guaranteeing the availability of six

953
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 2: hundred million dollars. Like you gotta love a con artist

954
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 2: with a box.

955
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 3: A gold box, a gilded gold box, and inside is

956
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 3: a letter of credit from a Bank.

957
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,720
Speaker 2: Of Dubaix Exactly, I want one of those. So Tony

958
00:48:55,760 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 2: had stipulations, though, He's like, before I'll make this invest

959
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 2: you need to prove up your respect and loyalty with

960
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 2: some gifts. Yea, that's another thing I'm going to start doing.

961
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I want to show show me your respect.

962
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 2: My landlord. Before I pay you this rent, you need

963
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 2: to show me something.

964
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 3: I'd like a watch exactly.

965
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 2: So Sawwer is like, all right, breaks them off a

966
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars cardia bracelet.

967
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 3: Wow.

968
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 2: Oh and one hundred thousand dollars in artwork. What how

969
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 2: great would it be if he gave him an Elmere.

970
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 3: Remember I was saying that like the ultra wealthy or

971
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 3: their heck of dumb, That's what I was talking. Oh yeah,

972
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 3: oh yeah, heck.

973
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 2: Oh we also gave a five thousand dollars diamond collar

974
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 2: for Foxy.

975
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 3: Wow, why not? Yeah, I just have fun.

976
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 2: At one point, Softwur flew Tony aka Prince Khaleid to

977
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 2: Aspen on his private jet and like while they're there,

978
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 2: they're at this dinner and Tony orders pershudo. It's like,

979
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 2: what's wrong with that? It's so delicious. Well, Tony had

980
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 2: been going on about being a Muslim earlier, and that's

981
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 2: going to rule out that pork.

982
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 3: From the Saudi royal family kind of. You know, you're like,

983
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 3: wait a minute, I'm betting he's probably a practitioner of

984
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 3: the faith of Islam and they don't eat on the swine.

985
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 2: But purshuto come so good, you'll make an exception for

986
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 2: the buttery purshuit.

987
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 3: All will understand.

988
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 2: So Softfer's business people, they've done some digging.

989
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 3: I hope, so I'm done. Somebody has finally found a shovel.

990
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 2: Well and they find out that, like, unlike what they'd

991
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 2: been told, Prince Khalei did not own the whole building

992
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 2: on Fisher Island. He just rents the penthouse. Isn't hard

993
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,240
Speaker 2: to find, Yeah, Tony, he got wind of the digging

994
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 2: and he came in hot. He started like ranting and

995
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 2: raving about a crime being committed against him. Disrespect, He yelled,

996
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 2: you have insulted my honor, my father. The king is

997
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: going to be very upset. This is not how do

998
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: you do business with royalty. So one of Tony's fake

999
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: investment bankers took one of Soffr's guys aside, and she

1000
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 2: told him that the entire deal was going to fall

1001
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 2: apart if Soffer didn't get himself back in the Prince's

1002
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 2: good graces. Like, dude, you got to fix this and

1003
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 2: so like your people tapped in it, and he is

1004
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 2: so offended. So now you have to give him something

1005
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 2: that's worth at least fifty thousand dollars to make him.

1006
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 3: Happy, even more so respect.

1007
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 2: Why don't I have someone who goes around and pulls

1008
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 2: people aside, Like you got to give this girl fifty

1009
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 2: thousand she's mad.

1010
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 3: You just have to have a gumption to say the

1011
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 3: stuff out loud.

1012
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 2: I'm to the point now he could do it. Think

1013
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 2: I might be able to do it. I think I'm fired.

1014
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 3: We could do some show jewelry.

1015
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 2: So the next day at dinner, Saffer gave the Prince

1016
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:37,439
Speaker 2: a fifty thousand dollars Cardier bracelet, and again Tony takes

1017
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 2: the gift, and then he gets a phone call. He

1018
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 2: answers it like waits a moment and then says, Zulu

1019
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 2: read echo thirty three and then he hangs up. Everyone

1020
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 2: at the table is just like staring at him. Well,

1021
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,240
Speaker 2: and then he tells him that was the State Department calling.

1022
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 2: They wanted to check in on me and make sure

1023
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 2: everything is okay. I had to give him the special code.

1024
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 2: And then he goes on to tell everyone at the

1025
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 2: table about how he has a computer chip planted into

1026
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 2: his next so they can keep track of him. Carl's there,

1027
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 2: Carl chimes in, He's like I got.

1028
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 3: One in my neck too, Yes, it be like a dog.

1029
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: So then like Tony points at some dude across the

1030
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 2: restaurant AND's like, see that guy right there, he's with

1031
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 2: the Secret Service. Like they're spinning out at the.

1032
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 3: Point, this was a lot.

1033
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 2: It was so so a lot that Soffer hired a

1034
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 2: private investigator named DC Page to look into this Erstwhile

1035
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 2: Prince so Page gets in contact with a friend of

1036
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 2: his in the Saudi Royal family, basically like what's up

1037
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 2: with your boy, is he really a prince? He gets

1038
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 2: an email back that's just two words, no period and

1039
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 2: oh exclamation plate.

1040
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 3: No.

1041
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 2: So then Paige wanted to be like me. He did

1042
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 2: some Googling's okay, So we went to look up the

1043
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 2: diplomatic plates, like, see if you could get a hit

1044
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 2: on the plate. He got a hit. Quote, I got

1045
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 2: a Papa bad to buy the zach license played on

1046
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 2: eBay for seventy nine dollars.

1047
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 3: Remember that's what carled originally. Yeah, you trust me, I'm

1048
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 3: going to ebays out the door Christmas.

1049
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,879
Speaker 2: So Soffer brought that information to the FBI. They turned

1050
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 2: it over to the Diplomatic Security Service from Vanity Fair. Quote,

1051
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 2: they knew the snaggletooth prints with a bowl cut was

1052
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 2: a fake the moment they saw his picture, his quote,

1053
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 2: his teeth or what gave him away big time, said

1054
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 2: the source. Because Middle Eastern royals, especially Saudi's, take care

1055
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 2: of their teeth. That's a tell. Yeah, and haircuts is

1056
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 2: a big tell. Wealthy, Yes, you can always tell if

1057
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 2: somebody touch it.

1058
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:43,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, nails, hair, certain types of jewelry exactly.

1059
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 2: So October twenty seventeen, Carl and Tony they go to

1060
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 2: Europe and from there they headed to the Middle East.

1061
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 2: I'm not sure of the particular country in either of those.

1062
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 3: Let's just say Dubai.

1063
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, And they tried to get back through at

1064
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 2: JFK in New York. Tony gets pinched because he'd use

1065
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 2: someone else his passport to get out of the country,

1066
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 2: but then he tried to use his own to get

1067
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 2: back in.

1068
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 3: What the hell, I don't know.

1069
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 2: The Feds descended, so they raided his place on Fisher Island.

1070
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 2: They seized all the jewelry and it turned out to

1071
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 2: be fake.

1072
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 3: They wait, did Helmi give him fake jewelry? But the

1073
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 3: cardier watchlip him around and saw that, Okay, I really

1074
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 3: hoping somebody give him a fan.

1075
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 2: Well, like in his Instagram he has this like super

1076
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 2: gross giant diamond that he's always just posts pictures of

1077
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 2: his hand. It's that kind of crass, like yeah, and

1078
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 2: so that's fake. His rolexes were like the Base Models

1079
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 2: with gems glued onto them. So he went to like Michael's.

1080
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 2: Nothing he had was his. He didn't own any big

1081
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 2: ticket items. Everything was rented or leased or borrowed. He

1082
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 2: pleaded guilty, but then in July of twenty eighteen, he

1083
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 2: changed his mind. He's like, I want a jury trial.

1084
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 2: That's again, sure thing, buddy. But then by the next

1085
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Speaker 2: year he changed it back to guilty for wire fraud,

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Speaker 2: conspiracy to commit wire fraud, aggravated identity theft, and impersonating

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Speaker 2: a diplomats a rough felon.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: June twenty nineteen, he gets convicted and sentenced to more

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Speaker 2: than eighteen years in prison.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And by that time he'd spent most of his

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Speaker 2: life impersonating Prince Khaleid And I say we make him

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Speaker 2: an honorary member of the family.

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Speaker 3: I wonder what the Saudi family thinks of him.

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Speaker 2: I'm guessing he's not the only one.

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Speaker 3: Oh, there's been a few people like that, I think.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like we don't hear about.

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Speaker 3: Oh, definitely mean there's especially in the imagine the Arab world,

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Speaker 3: this is much more common. We're not going to see

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Speaker 3: it in our news. But like this guy and the

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Speaker 3: ones who they are usually in, like you know, Miami, Vegas,

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Speaker 3: New York, a couple of places when they do this stuff. Like,

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Speaker 3: I don't mean not to say that the Saudi family

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Speaker 3: is like big Blooterircy. I don't want to put it like, oh,

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Speaker 3: mbs bone saws mean that, but like I'm surprised that

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Speaker 3: they'll do that. Yes, exactly, that these people aren't being disappeared,

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Speaker 3: you know, just like how dare you dishonor the family?

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Speaker 3: And it's not but how much can it cost them

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Speaker 3: to get rid of somebody like this?

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Speaker 2: Don't Is that a ridiculous takeaway?

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Speaker 3: No, it's a little bit bloody, but this is not

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Speaker 3: that ridiculous. It's more like my heinous takeaway. I'm a

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Speaker 3: ridiculous takeaway, Elizabeth, Thank you for asking is. I can't

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Speaker 3: believe how many people just do not want to do

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Speaker 3: the most basic work of Maybe I'll just check a

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Speaker 3: little something, just check anything. I'll call one person.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I google everybody.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well you're impossible to fool.

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Speaker 2: I need a talk back now, Yeah, baby needs a talkback.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I love you.

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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 4: I'm Olivia and m Canless. I'm from Jackson, Wyoming. I

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Speaker 4: turned my boyfriend onto your guys this amazing podcast and

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Speaker 4: he listens to it pretty much every day all day.

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Speaker 4: I just wanted to say I love you Ben, I

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Speaker 4: love you Zarin, I love you Elizabeth, producer Dave too.

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Speaker 4: You guys, are all amazing. You're making your laugh really hard.

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Speaker 1: Keep on being ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Okay, guys, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Excellent. I always love to hear that kind of thing. Uh.

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Speaker 2: That's it for today. You can find us online at

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