1 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Welcomed Aaron Mankey's Cabinet of Curiosities, a production of I 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Grim and Mild. Our world is full 3 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: of the unexplainable, and if history is an open book, 4 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: all of these amazing tales are right there on display, 5 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: just waiting for us to explore. Welcome to the Cabinet 6 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: of Curiosities. For quite some time, there has been an 7 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: ongoing debate as to whether a tomato is a fruit 8 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: or a vegetable. Of course, it has long been established 9 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 1: as a fruit, but there are still holdouts out there, 10 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: not unlike flat earthers who cling to their antiquated beliefs 11 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: that the tomato is a vegetable solely because it is 12 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: often eaten among other vegetables. But there was a time 13 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: when the debate around tomatoes was much more venomous to 14 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: It was definitely got off to a bad start in history. 15 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: It all began when they were accused by a fourteenth 16 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: century Catholic naturalist of being man breaks in disguise and 17 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: thus condemned by God. Things didn't get any better when 18 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: tomatoes were first brought back from America by Cortes. No 19 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: one dared eat them, because well, no one knew what 20 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,479 Speaker 1: would happen if you did, But then when someone did, 21 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: it didn't go well. People began to get sick from tomatoes, 22 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: sometimes even dying. The tomato was only partially at fault, though, 23 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: you see. The actual culprit was the tableware at the time, 24 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: which was made of pewter, containing a remarkably high concentration 25 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: of lead and a twist that could tie together a 26 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: historical fiction mystery novel. It was the acid of the 27 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: tomatoes that brought the lead out. Thus began the tomatoes 28 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: unfortunate nickname the poison Apple, and it faded from the 29 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: dietary habits of everyone. Some theorized that the poison came 30 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: from the tomato skin, which could coat the stomach and 31 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: cause stomach cancer, while others blamed tomatoes for appendicitis. Whatever 32 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: the case, it simply wasn't worth the risk. That is 33 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: until one Colonel Robert Gibbon Johnson he'd had enough of 34 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: the poor reputation of his beloved garden snack. Colonel Johnson 35 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: knew as we do, that tomatoes were not dangerous to humans, 36 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,119 Speaker 1: but he had a very doubtful public around him, frequently 37 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: pointing fingers and calling him mad. For eating these supposedly 38 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: deadly forbidden fruit. Johnson loved tomatoes so much that he 39 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 1: offered a yearly prize to whoever could grow the largest, 40 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: although at the time they were still only used for 41 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: decorative purposes and nothing more. Finally, Johnson decided to do 42 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: something bigger. He announced that he would eat a tomato, 43 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: which by then had earned another nickname, the wolf peach, 44 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: and he would do it on the steps of the 45 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 1: courthouse for all to see. That morning, he emerged from 46 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: his mansion to the cheers and jeers of nearly two 47 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: thousand people. Dressed in his usual black suit, he walked 48 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: down the street towards the courthouse, the crowd in tow 49 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 1: and a fireman's band playing a tune to commemorate the occasion. 50 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: He mounted the steps, tomato in hand, and turned to 51 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: the crowd, delivering his mission for the occasion. To help 52 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: dispel the tall tales, he said, the fantastic fables that 53 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: you have been hearing, and to prove to you that 54 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 1: it is not poisonous, I am going to eat one 55 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: right now. The crowd cheered and jeered some more, expecting 56 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: to see what would surely be a gruesome death of 57 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: epic proportions as this foolish man ate a fruit not 58 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: only poisonous but also perhaps condemned by God himself, And 59 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: as the tomato passed into the gullet of the colonel, 60 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: the crowd was perhaps a little disappointed that he wasn't 61 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: smitten by a bolt of lightning, or at least left 62 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: convulsive on the ground from stomach pains. No, Johnson didn't 63 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: die on the steps of the courthouse that day. He 64 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: lived on and proved that tomatoes were never poisonous, and 65 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: if they ever were condemned by God, perhaps he'd lightened 66 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: up a bit. Over the years, the actual history of 67 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: this event was passed down orally from postmaster to historian 68 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: before being written down for the first time nearly a 69 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: century later. So while the dramatics of this event may 70 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: well be embellished, the result of the event is not, 71 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: and much like the tomato over the century, this event 72 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: earned itself a nickname the Salem Tomato Trials, making it 73 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: hands down the second most famous trial to ever occur 74 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: in Salem, well, that is, Salem, New Jersey. Language is 75 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: ever changing words enter and leave our lexicon all the time. 76 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: For example, almost nobody channels their inner Teddy Roosevelt and 77 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: uses bully to express approval anymore. On the flip side, 78 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: words like bird a side and tater tots were inducted 79 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: into the Oxford English Dictionary in two thousand twenty one. 80 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: For every rolodex that goes the way of the dinosaur, 81 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: there's a conscious uncoupling that takes its place. But many 82 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: words stand the test of time and we can chart 83 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: their origins back hundreds even thousands of years. And one 84 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: such word happened to come from ancient Greece, and it 85 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: was all thanks to one man. His name was Klistones, 86 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: and he was known as the father of Athenian democracy. 87 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: Clisthenes was a Greek lawmaker who had enough of the 88 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 1: tyrants in control. With assistance from the Spartans and a 89 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: noble Greek family, he was able to overthrow the person 90 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: in charge and install a democratic system of government instead. 91 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: Suddenly Athenians were not beholden to the whims of a 92 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: few rich and powerful families. They could now vote their 93 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: own best interests instead. The familial tribes of old were 94 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: replaced with new tribes based on where they lived or 95 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: their dems, and it was leave that as many as 96 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty nine dems existed at one time. 97 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: Along with a democratic system of voting, Clystones also introduced sortition, 98 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: a way of choosing individuals for government roles based on 99 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: criteria other than their hereditary or family relations. He did 100 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: everything in his power to give the people a voice, 101 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: one they had been lacking under their previous rule, and 102 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: nowhere was that more obvious than one other civic practice 103 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: Clystones established in Athens. It was a form of voting, 104 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: but rather than holding an election for a position within 105 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: the community, people instead voted to exile someone, and for 106 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: a period of ten years a concept was a safety mechanism, 107 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: a way to prevent potential tyrants from rising to power 108 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: and destroying democracy. Each year Athenians were asked whether they 109 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: would like to nominate someone to leave. If a majority 110 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: voted yes, then another election would be held two months later, 111 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: in which votes would be cast either against or or 112 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,679 Speaker 1: the exile. But citizens didn't cast their votes on pieces 113 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: of papyrus, Such a precious medium was too expensive for 114 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: something that could be soon discarded. Instead, they used what 115 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: they already had available, pottery. After all, so many of 116 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: their stories were already painted and carved into vases, cups, 117 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: and bowls. It made sense that the broken shards of 118 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: those vessels could be reused in some way. In fact, 119 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: the idea of using broken pieces of clay for writing 120 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: dates back thousands of years to the ancient Egyptians. Much 121 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: of these objects still exist today thanks to Egypt's dry 122 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: desert climates, were able to gain more insight into the 123 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: daily lives of the ancient Greeks and the ancient Egyptians 124 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: because of them. But whereas the Egyptians used the pottery 125 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: shards for everything from medical prescriptions to dream diaries, the 126 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: Athenians primarily used theirs to get rid of unwanted citizens. 127 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: One by one, each voter would tell ascribe the name 128 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: of the person they wanted gone. Since many Athenians were 129 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: illiterates and could not write themselves. The scribe would then 130 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: carve the name into a piece of clay, which was 131 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: then tossed into a large urn with the others. Finally, 132 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: the vote counters tallied up the results by sorting the 133 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: shards into different piles, one for each name. The pile 134 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: with the most pieces indicated which person had to leave 135 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: as long as their name had been etched into at 136 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: least six thousand shards. If the korun wasn't met, then 137 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: the vote didn't count. The whole process of exiling someone 138 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: had been designed by Clysnes around broken fragments of pottery, 139 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: also called ostraca. This is where the term for banishing 140 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: someone from a community, or ostracizing them came from. Sadly, 141 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 1: the first victim of the practice of someone who probably 142 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 1: never expected to have it used against them. It was Clistines, 143 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: the man who had introduced it in the first place. 144 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: I hope you've enjoyed today's guided tour of the Cabinet 145 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,959 Speaker 1: of Curiosities. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts, or learn 146 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:01,599 Speaker 1: more about the show by visiting Curiosities podcast dot com. 147 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 1: The show was created by me Aaron Mankey in partnership 148 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: with how Stuff Works. I make another award winning show 149 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: called Lore, which is a podcast, book series, and television show, 150 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: and you can learn all about it over at the 151 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: World of Lore dot com. And until next time, stay curious. Yeah,