WEBVTT - In Less Than 48 Hours Her Son Will Be Executed Unless The Governor Intervenes, Our Interview With Linda Wood And Her Granddaughters 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:06.520 Hey, folks, it is Tuesday, November the eleventh, and as 0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:10.800 of this recording, we are forty eight hours away, less 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:14.680 than forty eight hours away from the execution of inmate 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:20.680 Tremaine Wood in Oklahoma. His family, in particular his mother 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:24.680 and his two young nieces, hugged him for the last 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:28.880 time months ago. They just had no idea that was 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:32.760 possibly going to be the last hug. Welcome everybody to 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:35.560 this episode of Amy and TJ. In Robes, I'm speaking 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:40.280 in particular about Linda Wood, Andreana Wood, and Brooklyn Wood, 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:42.720 the mother and two nieces of Tremaine, who are right 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:47.600 now Robes, holding out hope that Thursday. 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:51.680 Won't be the end, and they aren't sleeping, they aren't eating, 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:58.440 and they have experienced every emotion imaginable anticipating what could 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:02.120 possibly happen. No one knows what the governor is going 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:06.080 to decide, and he has until literally the eleventh hour, 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:09.640 moments before the scheduled execution, to make a decision whether 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:12.720 or not to grant Tremaine would clemency. 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:15.800 So you can only imagine, folks, what it's like for 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:18.880 that family right now. But we have covered this story. 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:20.839 Robock and I have been following this story for weeks. 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:22.760 We have a whole episode on the case itself. What 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:24.920 we're talking about a man, Tremain Wood, who is forty 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:28.040 six years old now, who was in his twenties when 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:30.080 he was a part of a robbery that took place 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:33.520 on New Year's Day back in two thousand and two, 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:37.080 a robbery in which a man ended up dead, stabbed 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:39.959 to death. Tremain Would and his brother were the two 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:42.080 who took part in this robbery. There was a back 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:44.640 and forth about who actually was the one who killed 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:48.680 the man, but Tremaine Wood's brother also convicted in this crime. 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:52.800 Robes he got life in prison. Tremaine ends up with 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:56.040 here we are on death row. There's all kinds of 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:59.480 questions and legal questions about the representation that Tremaine Would got, 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:02.880 which by all accounts, I think everybody agrees he did 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:06.640 not get adequate representation. This has led us now to 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.200 a clemency hearing that we just heard matter of about 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:12.200 a week ago, in which the clemency Board recommended yes, 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:14.680 in a vote of three to two, his life should 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:17.080 be spared. But that doesn't spare his life Robes. It 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:20.400 means then now the governor and that catches everybody up, 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:23.040 and that leads us to these three women, these three 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:25.240 young ladies that we had a chance to talk to. 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:27.040 We've talked to a lot of people over the years 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:30.079 and covered a lot of cases. I actually count remember 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:32.640 talking to someone this intimately who was this close to 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:33.840 having their loved one killed. 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:37.959 I have never had a conversation like we just had 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:41.400 with these three women who are going through something that 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:44.960 no mother and no family member would ever want to imagine. 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:47.560 And yet to sit down with them and to have 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:50.400 the time with them that we had with them, it 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:54.360 is impossible to not feel for these women to not 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:59.840 feel something for what is state sanctioned murder in this. 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.200 So, folks, we want you to hear from them now. 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:06.640 And look, Robot and I we covered this case. We 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:10.920 pointed out we're not going through all the legalities in 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:13.359 the back and forth and the nuances and the legalities 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:15.840 of this case. This was a matter of talking to 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:19.440 three women who are days away from losing someone who 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:23.600 was possibly the most important person in their lives and 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:25.600 one of the most influential. So here now we want 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.440 you to listen to our conversation with Linda Wood, mother 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:33.360 of Tremaine Wood and Andrea and Brooklyn would his. 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:37.240 Nieces, and I imagine you all have in the past 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:41.760 at least week, been non stop. In fact, you were 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:45.200 just at an event for Trumont. Tell me how you're feeling, 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:47.880 what you've been doing, and what life is like right now. 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:55.640 Life for me right now is Tremaine's mother is stress 0:03:55.720 --> 0:04:01.840 level one thousand. It is. My heart is so heavy 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:04.400 with the thought that my son could die in less 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:09.240 than two days. So that's kind of how my life 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:13.520 has been for these last few months. He has been 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:17.800 treated so badly at the penitentiary that and you know, 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:19.680 as a mother, the only thing you want to do 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.240 when your child is hurting is make it better, and 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:27.799 you can't. So it's been very stressful, very. 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:29.240 Stressful, madam. 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:33.760 You say stressful, How does one prepare for the death 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:35.040 of their child. 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:42.480 You don't. You don't prepare. I have tried to play 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:45.719 that scenario over in my mind a million times in 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:48.680 the last twenty one years, because we knew from the 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:51.240 day he was sentenced to death that that was very 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:58.480 real possibility. But my mind won't allow me to even 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:02.120 fathom him not being here any longer. I always go 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:05.440 back to the same thing. This cannot be the end 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:07.880 of my son's story. 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:12.000 You have been sitting with this, living with this for 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:14.800 more than two decades. But as we're speaking to you, 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:20.240 it is Tuesday afternoon, and in forty eight hours or so, 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:26.080 give or take, your sun may be there on death row, 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:31.520 his life about to end in these final forty eight hours. 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:39.440 How do you exist? Do you sleep? Do you rest? No? 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:42.120 No, I don't sleep. 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:42.719 I am. 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:51.280 Mentally, emotionally and physically drained. I'm drained. I'm so tired, 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:56.120 but I can't sleep. It's hard for me to eat. 0:05:56.960 --> 0:06:00.920 It's just it's torturous. It's torturous. 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:06.479 Yeah, I'll definitely agree with Grandma and that one. It's 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:10.680 definitely it's hard to sleep. It's definitely hard. It's hard 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:13.480 to eat that have an appetite when you're sitting there 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:16.240 thinking that the person that you love the most and 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:18.680 you care about the most is going to be gone 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:20.200 in under forty eight hours. 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:22.000 If this doesn't go the right way. 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:24.760 Brooklyn, why do you. 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:26.599 There is? 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:31.720 You just mentioned him as the most important person and 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:32.960 the closest person in your life. 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:34.720 For folks who aren't aware of. 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:36.880 That, you as a seventeen year oldly speaking on it, 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:38.279 Why is he that much to you? 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:42.560 My uncle has made an amazing impact in my life. 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:47.039 He's helped me through multiple mental health crisis that I've 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:51.599 had within myself, and just multiple I used to get 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:54.240 bullied all the time in school and he's always helped 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:56.479 me through that and taught me that my worth isn't 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:59.080 measured by what other people say about me. It's measured 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:01.200 by what I think about myself and what I see 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:04.800 inside myself. And just because people put in bad and 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:06.520 you have to put good out. 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:08.920 In the world just to receive it back, just because. 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:11.040 You're not getting it in that moment doesn't mean that 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:12.640 you're never gonna get it. 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:14.080 Brooklyn. 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:18.480 You have only known your uncle at seventeen as a 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:23.200 man behind bars, a convicted murderer on death row. And 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:26.840 a lot of people would look at your uncle's story, 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:29.920 his name and think they know and may think he's 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:32.640 a monster, may think he's evil, may think all sorts 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:36.680 of things. How would you describe the uncle you know? 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:42.520 I would describe my uncle as a loving, caring person. 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:46.160 He pretty much puts you before he will put himself. 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:49.040 He'll give you what he has off his back like 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:51.320 the last shirt he has off his back and give 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:53.960 it to you because you needed it more than he 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:57.000 needed it in that moment. He's such a giving person, 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:00.960 and he'll put anybody before he puts himself, just to 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:04.000 make sure they're okay, or they feel right, or they're 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:05.680 mentally okay, they're doing good. 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:06.240 Out in the world. 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:09.160 He will always put somebody before him. 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:13.960 Have you and Andreana the other? 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:16.800 How old are you? Tell me twenty three? Right, yes, 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:19.600 this is your uncle as well. Now tell me what 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:20.559 year were you born? 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:22.520 Two thousand and two? 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:25.840 That was the year this crime took place, is it not? 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:28.520 Yep, I was born a few months after. 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:34.720 It's wild that that's the case. But how do you 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:37.600 explain to people, Explain to us how you go about 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:41.680 having a relationship, much less a loving and supportive one 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:45.360 with an uncle that you have never gotten a chance 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:49.080 to spend time with outside of a prison. 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:54.120 I mean it was mostly just through telephone calls and visits. 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:59.520 I mean I've been going to visit him since he'd 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:03.720 been in like the actual county jail, before he before 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:06.600 the trial, before everything. I was she was taking me 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:11.680 as a baby to go visit, and so I've I 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:15.679 always knew about him, and I always got I always 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.880 got to talk to him growing up on calls and 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:25.760 everything like that, visits, and he just he's never been 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:28.760 a bad person in my eyes ever. And I mean 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:33.520 even when I got old enough, I I knew, you know, 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:36.320 of course I knew that he was in prison, but 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:39.000 I didn't I didn't really know what for until I 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:42.120 was in middle school. And that's when I really started 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:45.559 doing research on the case and and I really saw 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:48.720 how how badly everything was handled, and I was like, 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:55.560 my uncle doesn't deserve to be here. But it's it's 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:57.840 been very easy to have a good relationship with him. 0:09:58.880 --> 0:09:59.920 I love my uncle to who. 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:03.960 Linda tell me? Why why was that important? She was 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:06.600 a baby, she was edny bitty? Why was it important? 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:09.319 Will be visiting Carl. 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:14.720 I've had Andreana since she was one day old. I 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:19.360 brought her home from the hospital and I raised her. 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:24.720 It's it's funny you should ask that, you know, when 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:28.600 before Andrewa was born and before this crime was committed. 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:33.800 And I feel like I have a good personal relationship 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:38.000 with God. But I felt like God talked to me 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:40.240 and said, you know, there's a baby that will need you, 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:43.199 and you will need this baby, and people were like, no, 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:45.520 you're crazy. You know you didn't have all the kids 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:48.680 you're having, And I said, I'm telling you. God told 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:53.760 me that. And when she was born, well while her 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:56.480 mom was still pregnant, she decided she didn't want her. 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:59.000 She was going to give her to my son, and 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:02.240 my son gave her to me, and Andreana became the 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.880 reason for me being able to make it through the 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:14.200 trial and the whole horror of them being accused of 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:17.199 a murder. This is before they were convicted. 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:17.800 And. 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:22.920 So when they were in the county jail, I would 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:25.640 go twice a week. I would because they wouldn't let 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.160 me see Jake and Tremaine on the same day. I 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:31.760 would take Andreana. She grew up the first three or 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:34.360 four years of her life going twice a week to 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:38.920 the Oklahoma County jail. And I thought it was important 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:42.800 because she needed to know them, and they needed to 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:50.440 know her. This was their niece, and almost everybody, given 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:56.240 the severity of the crime at hand, had cut Jake 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:59.000 off from seeing his kids. Tremaine wasn't allowed to see 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:04.280 his kids, and they needed, they needed some hope. I 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:08.560 just felt like Andreana was was hope, you know, it 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:12.040 was just hope that that we would make it through this. 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:15.280 And but by the grace of God, we have this bar. 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:19.480 But I thought it was important because every kid has 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:21.040 a right to know who their family is. 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:26.280 Linda, you mentioned Jake, your other son. You are mom 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:30.800 to three sons, but I cannot imagine as a mother. 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:38.080 Tremaine and Jake both tried and convicted of murder, and 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:40.360 there was a headline I read that said one brother 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:44.439 confessed to murder and got life without parole. Tremaine would 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:45.559 got death. 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:47.800 Yes, I don't even know. 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:53.360 If you can put into words what that is like 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:56.040 to live with, what that was like to experience. 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:02.720 I tell you, you know, And when you make choices in 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:05.880 your life, you know, your choice is your consequences, whether 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:08.720 consequences are good or bad. But when your life is 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:12.320 forever changed and you don't get a choice, it makes 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:15.240 it hard, It makes it difficult, and it's very hurtful. 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:19.880 My son Andre and I didn't get a choice in this. 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:23.280 You know, nobody said, hey, are you okay if we 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:25.520 go out and somebody gets murdered tonight and we go 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:28.560 to jail, are you okay? If we get the death penalty, 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:32.040 or are you okay if I commit suicide or you okay 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:35.560 if the state executes me. We didn't get a choice 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:41.560 in any of that, and so those choices were made 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:45.200 for us. And it's been really, really difficult when you 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:48.640 lose not one son, but two sons to the system, 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:54.000 and then the system is so bad, especially for people 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:59.480 who have mental health issues like Jake had serious, serious 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:03.280 mental health issues, and it just got to the point. 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:06.160 He was one of the strongest individuals. I thought that 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:09.560 I ever knew, you know, he could do time standing 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:16.200 on his head. But when I got the call in 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:18.400 the middle of the night that he had committed suicide, 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:24.600 it was devastating to lose one child, and now at 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:26.840 the thought that within forty eight hours I could lose 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:29.360 a second child. You know, one third of my heart 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:32.080 is already gone. If Tremaine dies, that's two thirds, and 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:34.000 it's hard to live with one third of a heart. 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:36.960 That's kind of. 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:41.080 Maybe all of you right now, what your last I 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:45.760 guess most recent interaction with Tremaine was what more interaction 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:48.640 you expect to have between now in the next forty 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.280 eight hours and all of you all's kind of assessment 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:53.480 how do you all think he's doing. 0:14:55.680 --> 0:15:01.720 My biggest fear has always been that if they executed Tremaine, he. 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:06.280 Would be there scared and alone. Now Tremaine tells me 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:08.880 he's not scared to die. I don't know if I 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:09.440 believe that. 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:14.840 I don't know that he's scared to die, but I 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:19.400 feel like he's scared of the fallout afterwards for the 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:23.640 rest of us that are left here without him. Our 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:28.640 last interaction before we saw him on camera or on 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:32.360 the TV screen at the clinic's hearing, we had went 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:35.920 the weekend before that and saw and visited him. They 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:41.040 gave us one hour, and well, I think we at 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:43.760 an hour and thirty. Actually, no, we only stayed an 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:46.440 hour because we had to go oh yeah to the rally. 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:53.960 But you know, we never talked about him dying over 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:56.760 this whole twenty one years. He just didn't. We didn't 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:59.120 talk about me dying, We didn't talk about him dying, 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:04.280 And we probably should have had those hard conversations a 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:08.200 long time before we had him. And we only had 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:14.160 him when his number finally came up and we were 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:17.640 forced to have to have him because as the person 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:20.120 responsible as his next of ken. You know, I have 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.320 to know what do you want me to do? What 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:25.200 are your final wishes? Just tell me so I can 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:31.440 do it. And it's real difficult. And we all get 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:36.440 to go see him tomorrow as a family for what 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:39.200 if they execute him, will be the final visit that 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:44.880 we have. And I don't know how I feel about that. 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:51.840 I know that I can't ever tell him goodbye. I 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:55.440 cannot leave that visit and tell him goodbye in case 0:16:55.480 --> 0:17:02.040 he dies. I just can't. 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:09.959 Brooklyn, do you know what you're going to say to 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:12.400 your uncle? What you're not going to say. 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:12.879 To your uncle? 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:18.800 I don't really know, because it's crazy to think that 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:23.320 it's his last visit before you could potentially be executed. 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:25.160 Like what what do you say? 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:30.280 Like like they're like, I don't even know what I 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:33.359 would say, actually, But one thing I do know I 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:35.280 don't want to say is by to my uncle. 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:36.760 I do want to sit there and have to tell 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:37.520 my uncle. 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:39.879 By and think that's the last memory I'm ever going 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:43.000 to have of him, seeing him just sitting there. 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:49.040 Andreana, what about you? And also how long Andreana do 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:51.359 you all know you all are going to get? And 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:51.960 how big of a. 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:52.800 Group are. 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:56.320 People? 0:17:56.400 --> 0:18:01.000 And two people get too out hours. Then we switch 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:03.320 out with the next two and then the next two, 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.160 so everybody's gotten to see him for two hours. 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:13.879 And Andreana, what about you? How do you also same questions? 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:16.720 How do you think your uncle is doing right now? 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:27.280 I mean he yeah, I will say. Throughout all of 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:30.920 this recently, you know, you can this has like aged 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:40.200 him a lot, you know, and he still he still 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:43.480 stays positive, you know. He whenever we get to whenever 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:46.520 he gets to call us for the little fifteen minute 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:50.000 call we get, he he always tells us to keep 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:52.480 our head up and keep the faith and keep fighting 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:58.720 because it's not over till it's over. But I mean, 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:02.960 it's hard to think that this is this might be 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:10.760 the last visit we get. I mean, I I didn't 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:15.600 get to hug my uncle until I was twenty I'm 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:22.200 twenty three now, and when when was our last June? 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:25.560 Was our last contact visit? 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:27.240 Wow? 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:31.040 And I hate that that was the last hug that 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:33.840 I got to give my uncle because now we just 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:36.159 get to see him through the glass like it started 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:36.600 out with. 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:41.679 I think it's the last one. We'd probably hug him 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:44.800 a little bit tighter and held him a little bit longer. 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:46.640 Yeah. 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:49.680 Okay, wait, I'm gonna make sure I got that right. 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:53.119 So when you all do this, this plan planned visit 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:54.000 is going. 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:56.359 To be through yeah, through. 0:19:57.040 --> 0:19:59.200 Yeah, a piece of it will be a contact visit. 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:01.840 Yeah, we won't get to And I'm. 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:03.800 Making sure I'll understood you right there, Linda, Is that 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:07.080 the last time you had a contact visit you didn't 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:08.880 know the execution was coming up? 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:11.840 Now, we knew the exit. We didn't have a date 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:16.359 at that time, but we didn't know that all of 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:19.600 this stuff that's been going on. We didn't know they 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:22.520 were going to snatch him up and throw him back 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:26.879 in H dungeon on H unit and isolate him and 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:31.080 take everything from him. No, we didn't know that. Had 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:35.359 we known, we probably, like I said, would have hugged 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:37.679 him a little longer, held him a little tighter. 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:39.840 Forgive me. 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:42.520 I didn't know this, but you will have given and 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:45.040 you didn't know it. You possibly have given your loved 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:46.000 one his last hug. 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:48.359 You just didn't know it was going to be the 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:50.360 last stuff. I'm sorry I did not realize. 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:51.120 I didn't. 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:55.640 Yeah, I didn't know that there was a specific amount 0:20:55.800 --> 0:20:58.800 of contact visits you could or couldn't have how does 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:01.679 that work? How often have you able to hold or 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:03.840 touch your son, Linda, over the years. 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:09.440 You know he was in he was on h unit 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:12.280 behind glass, and we didn't get to have contact visits 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:16.360 for sixteen of the twenty one years. And then when 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:20.199 the ACLU got involved and said these living conditions are 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:26.119 not it, and so then the prison I guess, to 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:30.920 avoid any problems with the ACLU, decided to move death 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:36.040 row inmates to a unit and decided to let him 0:21:36.080 --> 0:21:45.439 have contact visits. So for more years than not, I 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:49.480 didn't get to hug my son. And then the first 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:51.840 time it was amazing. It had been the first time 0:21:52.480 --> 0:21:56.399 in probably eighteen years, because he spent two years in 0:21:56.440 --> 0:21:59.200 the county jail where we couldn't have contact visits either. 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:04.119 The first time in eighteen years that I had got 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:09.640 to hug my son and it was I can't even 0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:15.080 describe how it felt. I cried. And now to know 0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:17.880 that he could possibly die, you know, death is forever 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:22.400 and we not get to hug him. That the next 0:22:22.400 --> 0:22:24.119 time I may get to hug my sons in a 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:28.320 body bag is very very heart wrenching to me. 0:22:29.359 --> 0:22:34.200 Linda, do you all have plans if this does go 0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:38.679 through to be there when he is executed. 0:22:39.400 --> 0:22:42.640 Now, I we will be here as a family. Tremaine 0:22:42.720 --> 0:22:45.479 had to decide he wanted to be there. First of all, 0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:50.280 he didn't want any of us to be there. I 0:22:50.280 --> 0:22:53.720 told Tremaine it was his choice because he asked me 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:57.960 about a couple of people that he was going to 0:22:58.000 --> 0:23:02.280 put on the list. When it's thirty five days before 0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:05.480 the execution, they fill out what's called an execution packet, 0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:11.280 and they have that on his birthday. Yeah, thirty five 0:23:11.400 --> 0:23:14.600 days was on his birthday. And you know, he had 0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:16.800 to put down the people who the people who would 0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:20.679 witness his execution. You know, who he wants to be 0:23:20.720 --> 0:23:23.920 in charge of where his body goes. He has to 0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:25.960 put down what he wants for his last meal, and 0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:28.359 who'll pick up his property, all that kind of stuff. 0:23:28.400 --> 0:23:34.600 Well, on his birthday, on his birthday, yeah. 0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:36.120 And so who will be there in the room. 0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:41.280 Well, the only person that'll be in the actual execution 0:23:41.440 --> 0:23:43.760 chamber with him should he be executed, would be his 0:23:43.840 --> 0:23:51.280 spiritual advisor and whoever's administering the drugs. The other people 0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:56.480 sit outside. There's a glass window that's open and people 0:23:56.520 --> 0:23:59.240 sit there and witness it. I think the state gets 0:23:59.400 --> 0:24:04.919 so many witnesses and Tremaine is allowed I think five witnesses. 0:24:05.000 --> 0:24:08.000 I'm not sure five or six or something like that. 0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:12.520 I told him that I would respect whoever he wanted 0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:14.880 there or just know it couldn't be me. I don't 0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:17.280 know that I can even be conscious when ten o'clock 0:24:17.320 --> 0:24:18.840 Thursday comes. 0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:24.080